protection

[blazing condor]

go to zuldazar

[storm flint]

Zuldazar better anyway

Aoe dummies actually useable

[radiant magnet]

the worst part of prepatch is having to wait for Classic Shadowlands to release now

[graceful wadi]

ok just ran with the m+ build, not having ravager wasnt bad on aggro, still held a frost dk and fire mage off

[blazing condor]

the wait begins

cant wait to do sludgefist again in 2030

[lusty bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-wtf-what-huh-shocked-gif-17215720

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-leave-gtfo-get-out-of-here-gif-6207127

[tired grove]

yo, is violent outburst bugged for anyone else?

felt like i my slams generated basically no extra rage

[mighty valley]

it is nerfed from the tier set version

[wary plume]

40 down from 60 i think

[south zealot]

why is execute so nerfeddddd

why is there a cd

MADGE

[chrome falcon]

execute has a cd???

[wary plume]

exeCDute

[blazing condor]

cds nuts

[chrome falcon]

FUCK

[wary plume]

🥜

[south zealot]

yes execute has a cd

like unironically

[shrewd steeple]

where do u finish within a normal key in dps overall? (normal anything like 24is)

[chrome falcon]

so wait we got the worst of both executes?

[south zealot]

depends on the key

[chrome falcon]

it costs rage and it has a cooldown?

[lusty tiger]

Sounds like a bug

[south zealot]

yes

rage and has a cd

and its not even good base damage

[chrome falcon]

that can't be right

[south zealot]

i was gonan try a juggernaut build to see if i can make execute do fucking damage

[shrewd steeple]

i did both tazavesh with like 17k overall

[south zealot]

but it has a cd so itll take a year to stack

[lusty tiger]

Blizz: we just really really don’t want you to press this button anymore

[jagged pier]

yes at 7 stacks it consumes if u TC

[graceful wadi]

my execute doesn't have a cd, what am i missing

[chrome falcon]

still? they said they fixed that

[jagged pier]

they did on beta

[lime palm]

I'm... not gonna lie. If I get to remove Execute and save myself a hotkey I won't be crying too hard.

[jagged pier]

but ptr is a build behind

[mellow bridge]

playing some warr rn

i finally understand what bdks felt like the last 2 seasons

overall hps for my healer in a 28 JY

and even those 340 hps

i probably didnt need

did this pull in front of last boss of JY, had 20k hps while my healer literally didnt press a single button on me

and i didnt drop below 95%

so busted atm LOL

[sick sentinel]

anyone here tried tanking a lower ? i was in a lower 21 and i pop avatra rend thunder clap and revenge and still i lost ago on everthing. i was doing 30-40k dps and agro was none exitent.

does anyone know if there is a bug?

[mighty valley]

what fight? just all trash?

[sick sentinel]

trash

[mellow bridge]

if you are doing a huge pull

[sick sentinel]

bosses np

[mellow bridge]

dont bother with SS

just spam tc and revenge

should be able to hold everything that way

[deep spruce]

U don't need to rend then thunder clap btw. Delete rend from your bars

[mellow bridge]

that too

[sick sentinel]

had a monk and ret pala they were stealing agro left and right

[mighty valley]

some specs do have bonkers burst on prepatch tbh

[mellow bridge]

yea if a ret starts bursting instantly, there isnt much you can do

[gentle acorn]

you need to wiggle to let the capped aoe stuff hit different targets

[mellow bridge]

they need to give you a few globals

but after that it should be fine

[graceful wadi]

which leggo did you run

[mellow bridge]

seismic

100% sb uptime, 100% banner uptime

perma rage for IP

it's just so broken atm lmao

[mighty valley]

I keep switching spec and wondering why my damage has dropped

and every time, I haven't hit the stance button

[mighty grail]

Should Revenge only be press on proc?

[mighty valley]

stances bad

[mellow bridge]

no

spam that button

[mighty valley]

Press it as your filler when ss and tc are down

[graceful wadi]

are you using the wowhead m+ spec that has seismic as well?

because that is confusing me

[mighty valley]

shouldn't ever have an empty gcd

[mighty grail]

Thx ❤️

[digital delta]

s there any way to let keybinds change with the talent build?

[mighty valley]

the wowhead build is confused because they swapped sidearm + seismic and they haven't updated their calc

[mellow bridge]

uh not sure

one sec

will post

you dont skill seismic tho since it doesnt stack with the leggo

it's probably 99% the same as the wowhead one since i got this from nome

[graceful wadi]

i figured as much

[south zealot]

too much shield block

[mellow bridge]

yea could probably drop one of the talents

[graceful wadi]

so no sidearm and 5% hp, but you took more mobility and auto attack speed

[mellow bridge]

was just one of my first few runs trying otu the new stuff

so havent changed anything yet

[graceful wadi]

probably a wash anyway

[mellow bridge]

sidearm is pretty trash im sure

[graceful wadi]

with how little you needed to be healed

what was your dps like

[last crest]

is this visual or actually dead ?

[mighty valley]

visual

[mellow bridge]

5% stam is for sure useless atm

would not skill sidearm to reach it either

both talents pretty bad

looking at it, i think the only talent that's really changeable atm is bounding for fear

[mighty valley]

i might drop IV for zerk rage for the handful of dungeons where it's relevant

[mellow bridge]

was thinking about zerk but couldnt think of a situation for it atm

[mighty valley]

also definitely switching bolster to tough as nails, bolster huge overkill rn

[mellow bridge]

except maiden i guess?

[mighty valley]

uhhhhhh yeah maiden is sick

[mellow bridge]

in spec tree you can def change things

just class tree not much atm (imo)

[mighty valley]

intim shout just as another interrupt is fair game too

[mellow bridge]

yea

bounding/intim is w/e one you prefer or need more

[mellow bridge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/C3dyBXz8qwa6TrYV/#fight=2

log dps not ingame tho

[mighty valley]

i've been trying titanic throw just since you don't give much up to get it but we're such gods rn that just charging in and going to town is fine

[mellow bridge]

so ingame it's a bit higher

[graceful wadi]

yea i can see those last few talents as really interchangeble

[mellow bridge]

and i pulled small for the most part since i wasnt sure about scaling and stuff yet

[graceful wadi]

damn zap bots lol

[mellow bridge]

i feel like zap was doing less than before prepatch lmao

but i havent played in quite a bit so maybe im misremembering

[mellow bridge]

just for some extra threat before going in or am i missing smth?

[mighty valley]

yeah, for awkward spread packs to lock down initial aggro

[mellow bridge]

man looking at my blocked hits, i didnt care way too often LOL

[mighty valley]

i think the SL dungeons could've seen more use for it

[mellow bridge]

since your hp bar doesnt move atm anyways

so many hits in my back

[silk pasture]

@mighty valley - Same boat. I like it and it's nice that it has synergy with Improved Heroic Throw, but i'm also thinking it's not worth the talents when you can just charge in and start thunder stomping

[mighty valley]

yeah you're getting backhit and missing 10% uptime and still getting 85% dmg mitigation

[mellow bridge]

well this is log uptime

dont think i missed much in fight uptime

[mighty valley]

i'm meaning based on 88% blocked hits

[mellow bridge]

but yeah

if stuff did damage, i wouldve paid more attention to mob positioning

[mighty valley]

anyway, sure it's tyran week, but still feels like we're gonna be just fine

[mellow bridge]

(which would have made my dmg better too, i think it was a bit mediocre)

[mighty valley]

zap damage is worse for me this week because we don't get to do the ultra optimal gunker first route T_T

[olive steeple]

Any sense as to how the tank role as a whole is feeling rn? It seems like y’all have been voicing prot warrior is really strong rn but curious if other tanks also feel immortal

[visual root]

part time warrior player here, so i dont follow closely, but has anyone figured out a max dps build for prot for questing and whatnot?

[mellow bridge]

dh is in a similar boat atm

[mighty valley]

we're all good tbh

[mellow bridge]

at least for the lower mob count dungeons

having access to FS still is crazy good for DH

[uneven mason]

Leveling as prot feels clunky

[mighty valley]

feel like you can just walk through the tree atm and say "does this do any damage? i take it"

[mellow bridge]

on beta, warr dh dk were all immortal

[mighty valley]

but don't undervalue mobility for open world

[mellow bridge]

pally a bit below that maybe? then brew was okay and bear was pretty bad

[visual root]

right on. thanks.

[uneven mason]

That being said for the first time I don't feel like my rage budget while low level is far off from max level

[olive steeple]

Cool cool thanks

[uneven mason]

Only issue is that shields are impossible to find while leveling

[jagged pier]

al tanks will feel immortal right now

its pre patch

[mighty valley]

simply heirloom

[mellow bridge]

cant imagine bear feeling too nice atm tbh

[jagged pier]

they doing fine

in terms of feeling immortal

and there damage is fine

because venthyr

[mellow bridge]

yea true

i forgot that bear is so weird rn

they sim more at 60 than at 70

[lusty tiger]

Bears are borrowed power

[astral crystal]

@potent anvil i c u on ur dk

[potent anvil]

[lusty tiger]

How come enhance are insane right now?

[modern brook]

bcuz prepatch 🙂

[mighty valley]

tbh they were insane in st before prepatch

[valid glacier]

How are we liking the new prot talents?

[mighty valley]

we are liking them very much

[lusty tiger]

But I see them dominating m+ right now -enhance

[sick sentinel]

Good evening to all. This is probably a dumb question but I see on the Wowhead guide that we put a talent point in Rend, yet we apparently don't use it in the rotation. Am I missing something? Thanks in advance

[uneven mason]

I was more following a path that a brand new player would

But yes I've had to dip into heirloom in a few stretches

[olive steeple]

Thunderclap applies rend @sick sentinel with a different talent point

[sick sentinel]

Oh !

@olive steeplethank you Lacor

[olive steeple]

Np!

[uneven mason]

That being said I'm wearing 4 pieces of the level 10 starter crap and missing a cloak still and I'm still immortal

Did iron docks last boss no healer

[radiant magnet]

as long as you have Rend, TC does the work for you. using Rend as a button costs 30 rage, so you'll never prefer it over TC

no reason to have Rend on your bars basically

[sick sentinel]

Yes, i just see that. Thank you Glowreef

[plain vapor]

is stance dancing really back

[lusty tiger]

He asked if we need a talent point in rend

[radiant magnet]

stance dancing is going to end up a personal decision. if you're pushing content, you probably stick to d stance. if you're coasting, you can b stance. if you're OT you can pickup a tiny dmg boost, but remember to swap back

[lusty tiger]

I’m pretty sure you do- when you get to blood and thunder

[radiant magnet]

you do need both talents. as long as you have Rend, let BnT do the work

question keeps coming up because blizz played with how Rend & BnT worked like 20x in beta

[lusty tiger]

@sick sentinel skip talenting rend until you can also talent blood and thunder

You will never press rend that is why

[red wave]

Anyone got a semi working WA for basic tracking before I invest the time?

[hollow quail]

yo guys, what about reprisal on m+?

[vast spindle]

so in the pins it mentions a build that uses reverberation legendary. Has anyone tested this out and seen if it does more than reprisal?

[waxen ravine]

someone else got problem with plater and view distance? more than 10 yards away i have no nameplates :/

[modern brook]

it does more than reprisal

[sick sentinel]

@lusty tiger thank you

[modern brook]

go wild if u want to

[strong forum]

ive had great success with it in m+

[modern brook]

smh

[vast spindle]

thanks

definitely going to try it out

[strong forum]

the first build is tankier than the "no shield spec" version

[modern brook]

Thats my last smh nom. i officially odnt care anymore

[strong forum]

thats nice

[modern brook]

lol

[strong forum]

should i just edit in "suggested by bullfango" or what

[modern brook]

I mean 👀

honestly im just happy fat damage works

and high key its a huge iteration between what i said and what is working

[tender cove]

This hasn't changed right?

ST rotation:
CDs > SS > TC > revenge
AOE rotation:
CDs > SS > tc>=revenge if not flooded with rage and in need of SB uptime

CDs > TC >= revenge >= SS if flooded with rage and not in need of SB uptime for a couple globals
In terms of CDs avatar > ravager > Demo >= shield charge > thunderous roar
In aoe pulls you always wanna open with thunderclap to apply rend, then start sending CDs

[strong forum]

yes

[tender cove]

ok ty, its my little cheat sheet i saved, from you i think. Just wanted to make sure its still what I need to practice on executing correct 😄

[tropic gorge]

Just logged my warrior in. And holy shit

[radiant magnet]

act sad. complain about VDH being op

dont show blizz any fun

[tender cove]

i havent really kept up the past weeks, did they ship bear as it was?

[radiant magnet]

"tuning" which was nerfy more than buffy

[sand pebble]

when do we flood the forums with tears that we need our last nerf reverted

[tender cove]

@strong forum What is the current status for pwarr. Are we still happy? All bugs fixed? Anything you're sorta anticipating in terms of tuning for us?

[sand pebble]

feel the devs a bunch of negative feedback about state of pwars - so they think we are unhappy and leave it alone

[sand pebble]

fueled by violence doesnt work, conduit tooltips are busted

[strong forum]

not all bugs fixed, they re-introduced the "tc consumses seeing red at 7 stacks"

but should be fixed whenever the next retail build comes out

[tender cove]

Are you happy?

[strong forum]

ya is pump

[tender cove]

okok, then i'm also happy 😄

[oak echo]

when it consumes it early i assume it doesn't properly boost it right?

[strong forum]

yep

[tender cove]

Do you expect any big shift in terms of tuning numbers for us or the other tanks?

or does it feel like we're sorta settling in right now?

[strong forum]

everybody is settling in

[tender cove]

okok, amazing to hear 😄

[strong forum]

i dont think any particular tank is overpowered

VDH slaps and is uber tanky

bdk slaps and is uber tanky

pwar slaps and is uber tanky

vdh will definitely dominate pre-patch once people play it well

vdh can full on tank medivh missles on +26 tyr back to back

and doesnt even drop below 80% hp

[tender cove]

That's very lovely to hear because warrior is truly fun to play and has made me find joy in tanking again. 😄

[strong forum]

vdh can also tank mana devourer with 6++ stacks and doesnt even notice them

[tender cove]

Any chance they reintrouced their bug from s1? xD

[strong forum]

thats with me playing ultra squishy build on mana devourer

[tender cove]

wow, thats not a little difference 😮

[strong forum]

vdh does the most ST damage rn

they went from lowest to highest

dont mind the pally and dk, they died

[radiant magnet]

nerf vdh

[strong forum]

VDH owns

[tender cove]

how are warrior on ST btw? Bit on the lower end in comparision to the other tanks?

[strong forum]

nah we right up there

only outlier rn is VDH being slightly ahead

[radiant magnet]

legitimately none of the tanks are truely bad

[tender cove]

not even bear anymore?

[tropic gorge]

oh my god. i just logged into my war

[radiant magnet]

bear needs a redesign but will have to live with tuning intead

[tropic gorge]

and oh god. the prot tree looks soooo good

[strong forum]

looks like pwar is a small bit behind in ST damage

atleast on parsing rn

[tender cove]

@strong forum Only my curiosity here. What are your thoughts on blizzs starter build for pwarr?

[strong forum]

terrible

fucking awful

[radiant magnet]

+1

[tender cove]

yeh, i felt the same xD

[radiant magnet]

they just randomly clicked talents

[strong forum]

doesnt even pick spell reflect

[tender cove]

I didnt get the whole max out shockwave build

[strong forum]

cuz its new and shiny

and simple

[tender cove]

and taking just odd things

[strong forum]

just send and forget

[radiant magnet]

recently buffed it, so must be good

[tropic gorge]

lol i didnt even look at the default build. the mage one was bad too.

[tender cove]

you'd expect them to make us tankier for the lower skilled players?

as default i mean

[strong forum]

yes

but anywho

tanks seem fairly well balance rn

pwar just gained alot of aoe dmg

st dmg is roughly the same as before

but we're still figuring out the omega st build

[tender cove]

cool, ty. Pretty nice to hear they're all even and no real super outliner, so shouldnt' be a roller coaster once tuning hits

[radiant magnet]

output and survivability - all balanced. just some tanks are more fun than others atm.

buff bear a bit, still boring

[tender cove]

Thats cool, fun is subjective anyhow

[strong forum]

funny thing is

lvl 60 bear will do more damage than level 70 bear

thats how bad it is

[tender cove]

wait what? How?

[radiant magnet]

yep. we're legitimately at a 'play what you enjoy' stage

[strong forum]

cuz bear actually gets slapper legendaries to play with rn

[tender cove]

stat scaling or smt?

[strong forum]

and covenants

when in DF you only lose shit

you dont get alot of cool stuff with the last 10 talent points

[tropic gorge]

lol 41% passive block %. this is going to be fucking amazing lmao

[radiant magnet]

and bears end up spending like 5-6 pts on abilities they cant use outside raid

[uncut juniper]

Is the Talent Calculator on wowhead out of date? Sidearms and Barbaric Training for example has different positions when comparing the wowhead calculator with the ingame talents so importing talent builds from the pins results in problems from which i dont know if theyre intended.

[oak echo]

the links will take you to the PTR or beta version of the site sometimes. just click the live button at the top

and it'll reload with them in the correct spot

[uncut juniper]

ah ty

cant find that button though xD

[strong forum]

The Wowhead-Talentcalculator operates with the Beta Build Talent Trees as that build is 1 build ahead of Retail/PTR. Thats why you see a small difference in positioning between Sidearm and Barbaric training.

[uncut juniper]

got it ty

[uneven mason]

NGL what we got was above and beyond my hopes for the combo

[fervent kestrel]

How often are we planning on switching between Tough as Nails and Spell Block? Is Tough as Nails just head and shoulders better?

[tropic gorge]

wow i gained a shit load of DR from armor

[strong forum]

nails for dmg, spellblock for when you can actually use it

[tropic gorge]

from like 5x % to 70% holy shit

[strong forum]

nails does alot of dmg

id only use Spellblock for Upper Kara and some raidbosses here and there

[wary plume]

just about to do a lower with it

just for funs

not sure if worth

spellblock that is

[strong forum]

nothing does spell damage in lower

literally nothing

[fervent kestrel]

I wish it were a passive more like the Monk one. Where it gives you a chance equal to 50% of your block chance to dodge a spell

[wary plume]

lots of casty mobs :<

[strong forum]

?

no

idk what you pull

[wary plume]

and 1st boss/maiden

[oak echo]

almost everything in lower is white hits only

[strong forum]

bosses are LITERALLY whatever

[cobalt seal]

maiden?

[strong forum]

besides attumen

[cobalt seal]

maiden????

[mellow bridge]

If you take magic dmg on maiden you're playing wrong

[uneven mason]

🤘

[mellow bridge]

If you are pulling caster mobs, your route is probably wonky

[wary plume]

holy shock

no bully

[strong forum]

kick it

[uneven mason]

Iron maiden?

[strong forum]

maiden does negative tank damage

[mellow bridge]

[strong forum]

spell block does not help you in lower kara

[wary plume]

ok

[oak echo]

power to you if you're just doing it for funsies but you won't get an idea for its value

[strong forum]

yea

on medivh its super good

for example

can straight up rng 2 entire missile combos

with just spellblock

[mellow bridge]

Oh yea nome do nails have an icd or smth?

[strong forum]

500ms

[mellow bridge]

Makes sense

[vestal moat]

Can someone tell me what talents we lost going w the squishy build. sorry but its hard to flip back and forth. i know we gain punish?

[vestal moat]

and i looks like no one is taking ravager for m+ anymore whoa

[strong forum]

can you spot where i had spellblock up

[strong forum]

you only have 5 point available past the 3rd gate

youd have to give up either indom or outburst to get ravager

[vestal moat]

i see

[strong forum]

you lose 2/2 shield spec, indom and outburst in that build

but you gain shield charge + bulwark and ravager

[vestal moat]

lol lol lol ok i know how im gonna do my weekly 15

[strong forum]

ya youll be fine in that

like i did 25-27s today with that build

granted, it was 5tank

but in aoe im fine, just on bosses i struggled a bit

but if i go normal build with indom and outburst, youll be ultra fine on bosses

[mellow bridge]

How exactly does spell block even work

Spell block + shield block = guaranteed to block?

Or is it just our base block chance

[strong forum]

i think so

havent tested it

whatever your block chance, spellblock will go off of the same

[sullen jungle]

I assume Necrolord with Reprisal is still the play for m+ ?

[strong forum]

reprisal is not needed

you can play any legendary you want

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rYvBAgDnmGTLt2W7#fight=last&type=damage-taken&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%24204810809.0.0.Warrior%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24392966%24true%24false&view=events

[sullen jungle]

Soo unbreakable will could be decent?

[strong forum]

sure

[sweet orchid]

So, i've been testing and unity for venthyr prot seems to be completely not functional

[strong forum]

i play seismic reverb cuz its phat damage

[smoky dock]

@strong forum are you stance dancing a lot and when you do do you notice a solid difference?

I just ran +18 noticed a bit of a difference but nothing insane

[modern brook]

are you taking spear in the class tree?

[mighty valley]

i haven't hit the key yet where i leave battle stance

[strong forum]

ive maybe swapped stances once

in 6 keys

full on bstance

all the time

[smoky dock]

Gotcha

[sweet orchid]

No? venthyr unity is supposed to make condemn add 2.5 secs to the duration of avatar. What would spear have to do with that?

[strong forum]

do you have massacre talented?

cuz when you talent massacre, execute gains the animation of condemn

maybe that fucks with it

[sweet orchid]

Possibly. Lemme test.

[strong forum]

so the game maybe overwrites condemn

and you use execute instead

[modern brook]

some classes have a known bug where taking a talent that is just the unity buff to a cov skill not in their current cov will turn off unity; so if you took elysian might, that follows suit

[sullen jungle]

So whats the current talent setup for m+ ?

[tired grove]

oooh, that explains it, that feels awful

[strong forum]

ive linked 3 setups in the pins

[modern brook]

has some suggestion

[graceful wadi]

what are we charing in with now that we dont have as much rage from reprisal

[strong forum]

you dont need reprisal for rage anymore

bloodsurge does it for you

and warmachine also helps

thats my rage gen from grimrail 27

[sweet orchid]

Still not working with or without massacre.

[strong forum]

where i played the "no shield spec" build from pins with seismic reverb legendary

[sweet orchid]

Also not specced into spear

[strong forum]

then a massive bug

[modern brook]

^

[ocean bloom]

can you link the log?

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rYvBAgDnmGTLt2W7#fight=8&type=resources&spell=101

[ocean bloom]

thx

[strong forum]

this has all my keys from today

but, its 5tank

so uh

[ocean bloom]

LOL

[strong forum]

🙂

[ocean bloom]

i see

[strong forum]

not your average group

[sweet orchid]

Could someone else test the venthyr unity thing to make sure it's not just me?

[strong forum]

did you unequip unity

and re-equip it

[sweet orchid]

Lemme try that

[strong forum]

cuz unity can bug out

and not work at all

[sullen jungle]

Soo Nomeratur in the calculator, for the Seismic it takes barbaric training but when you import it, it doesnt

[strong forum]

its the beta build

just swap sidearm for barbaric training

its just those 2 talents that are swapped

[sweet orchid]

Hey that worked, unequipping it and reequipping it seems to have reenabled it

[strong forum]

[sweet orchid]

Ty

[strong forum]

maybe shouldve suggested that in the first place

very common bug

[oak echo]

that's unfortunately been a thing since unity came out

something to do with swapping gear sets where unity is in 2 different slots between the 2

[sullen jungle]

Sooo for that Seismic build is it either Kyrian or Necrolord we play or is that up to oneself?

[drifting fable]

necro but its prepatch so who cares

[strong forum]

Necrolord for all

Idk why so many are asking about kyrian

[sullen jungle]

The WoWhead guide :Å

:P*

[strong forum]

Banner has never been easier

[mighty valley]

basically the seismic part is just that rage gen + block uptime are more than comfy enough to switch from reprisal

[inland atlas]

yo I just rolled a warrior, wanna play in DF. Is it worth farming up a legendary? Do the buffs wear off at 71? are any worth it?

[sweet orchid]

If you wanna do SL content, yes

[strong forum]

Legendaries fall of as soon as you're not in SL content

[mighty valley]

legendaries and cov stuff turns off outside SL

[inland atlas]

thank you, fk it then 😛

[sweet orchid]

If you only plan on doing DF content, then fuck it indeed. Not worth the time energy or money

[median tulip]

I'm going to be so glad to gtfo from SL

Thankfully never going to have to go back there

[stoic smelt]

can anybunny point me to a good reprisal talent build for prepatch?

[mighty valley]

until they bring back SL dungeons for M+

[sand pebble]

Sl tw

[drifting fable]

[trim bay]

you dont need reprisal

[stoic smelt]

tis all i got

[drifting fable]

its prepatch just let them play whatever

[trim bay]

re build my son

[drifting fable]

sheesh

[mighty valley]

you just need to make sure you grab intervene and can drop more shield block talents

[trim bay]

well i assumed there was multiple legos on the table not just the 1

[stoic smelt]

ty everybunny

[tender cove]

What is the top 2 raiding realms on eu horde?

[solemn kelp]

raidbots giving an error "unable to create action: dragon_roar" what's that about, I dont have it talented

[tender cove]

Tarren mill and?

[strong forum]

It's a 3 way tie

Kazzak, tarren mill, twisting nether and draenor actually

So 4

[tender cove]

someone just told me my realm is dead and I should just move now while I can. I'm on dreanor

[strong forum]

Lol

[tender cove]

and i've felt the same, so might aswell.

[strong forum]

Idiot

[drifting fable]

arent there realm stats?

[tender cove]

I've only played alliance for 15 years, rerolled horde super late into SL and just picked dreanor for some reason

[strong forum]

I'd just go by whichever Realm has more CE guilds

Or top 50 guilds

[tender cove]

And I have a boost with the DF preorder, so now is my chance i reccon

[strong forum]

Draenor is perfectly fine.

Servers dont mean shit anymore

[drifting fable]

^

[tender cove]

they enable cross mythic once fame titles are done right?

[strong forum]

Everything but guilds are cross server

Cross mythic is open day1 in DF

[drifting fable]

only reason id switch is if i had the guild already lined up

[tender cove]

wait what? since when? 😮

this is huge news

[drifting fable]

they announced it a while back

just no HOF unless youre a guild

[tender cove]

I just left my guild today after some silly drama about spots and roles.

[strong forum]

Hate drama

[tender cove]

Same, thats why I left. Its been brewing for a while but today I just couldn't take it anymore.

[indigo knot]

Even if we refuse to play reprisal?

[mighty valley]

yes

[sand pebble]

NF for life

[mighty valley]

we're mostly all ditching reprisal right now

[oak echo]

nobody in this disc is recommending reprisal anyways lol

[mighty valley]

NL gives you a 20%+ strength boost permanently, there's nothing that compares

[strong forum]

You don't need reprisal to keep up Banner

You don't need any legendary for matter of fact (besides unity) to keep up Banner

[indigo knot]

Do I need Adderall to keep up banner?

[strong forum]

Just need to play well

Nah, banner got easier now

I've stacked up a 3minute banner toda y

As in, total duration stacked up

[mighty valley]

just drain your big pile of rage constantly with IP and you'll be fine

[indigo knot]

Chad energy

[strong forum]

Not just, extended banner for 3minutes

Full on 3min left of the buff

[indigo knot]

You playing seismic?

[strong forum]

Ye

[indigo knot]

slick

[amber ivy]

i have a new prrot i lvld for the new xpac. im not sure i want to drop a ton of money on legendaries . im pretty hard to kill without them anyway

[strong forum]

Legendaries aren't necessary

I'd just get unity

Rest are just nice to haves

[amber ivy]

i just went full bleed build and leech and away i go

[mighty valley]

you can try as hard as you want in prepatch, it's pretty whatever

[indigo knot]

Logout for a month

[sand pebble]

if someone could go kill heroic fate - double affixes - and log/upload it so i can compare to my parse id be much appreciated

[mighty valley]

there must be logs on the site no?

[sand pebble]

22 pwars for heroic fate

[amber ivy]

i know this is epically against what everyone else is playing. but i just want to throw it out there for comparison

[mighty valley]

be more at the weekend

[sand pebble]

im r1 so something is off

[deep spruce]

Whats the name of the talent that gives dr to group with avatar

or shield block*

wall*

[woven trench]

I can buy my second dinar this week, should I buy ows or aegis.

[marsh forge]

No just its post s4 for logs so it's not going to have many parses yet

[tender cove]

I rerolled from pala so I only have reprisal and the wall and not gonna craft anything else. So i should use the wall I guess?

[mighty valley]

Immovable Object, choice node below avatar

[amber ivy]

unbreakable will

[mighty valley]

• unbreakable will

[marsh forge]

Either are fine, builds for both in pins

[deep spruce]

ty

[mighty valley]

wall is probably better for raiding anyway, just drop the actual wall talent

[tender cove]

ty

[sand pebble]

i understand that BUT im nf using reprisal (off tank swapped to his hunter to get achieve) and im 3k dam above all the other pwars so sometyhing feels off

[mighty valley]

reprisal still gives a ton of shield block and rage, so you can adjust talents around it

but most people are just happy to have less buttons to press after a year of reprisal

also it's closer to how we'll play in DF since there's no real reprisal equivalent going forward

[digital delta]

Whats more to press with reprisal?

[sand pebble]

charge weaving and intervene to proc it

[dire tulip]

Actually setting up charges is a pain sometimes

[digital delta]

Nothing more to press

[sand pebble]

you have to press buttons to move because of the 8yd min range

you could be just standing there auto attacking fishing for aa haste procs

[digital delta]

Whut xD

I still dont see the more buttons to press part

Due to reprisal

[dire tulip]

Even when it was meta, I still went with the wall because it was less of a pain in the ass

[fervent kestrel]

If you're not using reprisal, you don't need to leap out and charge back in.

[woven trellis]

I've read reprisal is still the best leggo but I thought we knew had 100% sb uptime

We now°

[digital delta]

You wouldnt do that with reprisal anwyay, just intervene and charge back

[fervent kestrel]

Again, that's two more button presses that you wouldn't do if you didn't have Reprisal

[digital delta]

No

Your intervene is macrod with charge

[dire tulip]

That is neither fun nor a style alot of prot warriors care to use

[digital delta]

With an mouseover interaction

[dire tulip]

Alot of people don't use that.

[digital delta]

Fun is subjective

[dire tulip]

That is the pojnt

[fervent kestrel]

Nobody is disagreeing with you. But adding Intervene and Charge or Leap/Charge into your rotation is two additional keypresses every time it's up

[digital delta]

No

The point was more buttons to press due to intervene and im here thinking why that is

[fervent kestrel]

We're not discussing whether it's fun or not. Some people don't want to add additional keypresses into their rotation

[chrome falcon]

it's objectively more buttons to press

[digital delta]

Idk you’d intervene anyway due to Safeguard

[chrome falcon]

not different

but more

no you wouldn't

safeguard doesn't mean anything

in 99.999999999999% of keys

[digital delta]

Agree to disargee i guess

[dire tulip]

Because if I don't have reprisal, I use charge once and intervene is almost never used.

[digital delta]

Well it is what it is

[chrome falcon]

reprisal adds CPM to the rotation

you can't disagree with that it's just basic objective fact

[fervent kestrel]

If your rotation is X button presses, and you add Reprisal into the mix, to properly utilize it, you're at X+2 keypresses per usage of Reprisal. That's just a fact

[mighty valley]

intervening out and charging back was also objectively bad reprisal use

[digital delta]

You do press block instead anyway and charge aint some extra ability you have to keybind, intervene is macrod with charge

[mighty valley]

it's not about keybinds, it's about cpm

• stress on movement

[fervent kestrel]

You keybinding something vs having it on two separate buttons isn't what we're talking about at all. It's added complexity in the sense that you have to factor in figuring out who you're Intervening to, hitting it and charging back in when you could just as easily be using more naturally intuitive button presses

[reef rock]

wdym you don't macro avatar shield wall and last stand on one macro button /s

[mighty valley]

i enjoyed reprisal, i'm not a hater, but it added two additional cooldowns to care a lot about in order to survive and also added a little bit of unpredictable movement to mob packs which dps doesn't enjoy

so i get why people are tired of it

[sand pebble]

i enjoy reprisal - i didnt enjoy it being mandatory for survival

[urban portal]

If reprisal made charge do like 5x damage

It would be a cool leggo

And made your next revenge hit like a truck

Basically get rid of all its defensiveness

[sand pebble]

if it gave warbringer pvp talent id be happy

[urban portal]

Pinball warrior

[reef rock]

Reprisal crawled so Shield Charge could run

[gray bane]

aw, the default talent setup in the wowhead guide does not include shockwave - is it not considered good, or are other talents just considered more mandatory by comparison until we get more points to spend?

[fervent kestrel]

Decouple mandatory mitigation from otherwise unnecessary movement, 100%

[chrome falcon]

i think you're trying to argue some weird point that reprisal isn't more button presses just because you don't need more keybinds

which is just

... ok i guess lol

[mighty valley]

using shockwave for damage is kinda bad for stun cc reasons, and we get a lot more out of avatar + UF

we'll almost always pick it up for m+ cc at lvl 70 but it's hard to justify now

[gray bane]

you mean in terms of DRing, or?

[mighty valley]

yeah

[gray bane]

that's fair

[fervent kestrel]

Right now with where the content cycle is, pretty much everyone is focusing on putting out as much damage as possible, so that's the main focus in the current builds

[sick sentinel]

Has anyone figure out a way to deal with this crap yet

[tardy mural]

dunno but my one is huge

[sand pebble]

what is that

[fervent kestrel]

The LFG eye

[reef rock]

Is that the LFG icon?

[tardy mural]

its the dungeon finder thing

[gray bane]

I guess you always have storm bolt for a stun (thinking about the scalebinders in gambit, in particular)

[sick sentinel]

yea and its at the center of the screen

You can move it if you have Bartender or ElvUI

cant move cant hide

[tardy mural]

and its massive

[sick sentinel]

ok

[gray bane]

I haven't used lfg yet haha

[fervent kestrel]

I've been thinking about dropping Storm Bolt for Bounding Stride just because I only group with guild members and they're on top of stuns/interrupts, lol

[sick sentinel]

If it's in the middle of your screen one of your addons moved it there so you can move it

[sick sentinel]

BRO

you saved my life

[mighty valley]

mine is lower right and pretty small?

[digital delta]

Neither buttons to press but its w/e, i just dont agree

[sick sentinel]

I live to serve.

[torn gulch]

i have elvui and mine is where it was before in a corner of the minimap

[sand pebble]

i want to know wtf this is - i can drag it around but it does nothing when i click it or mouseover it

[tardy mural]

mine is half the size of my mini map

[gray bane]

same, fine there

[tardy mural]

thats a green dot

[sand pebble]

yes

[tardy mural]

lol

covers all your needs for a green dot i guess but god knows what it is

[fervent kestrel]

Don't agree all you want, you're entitled to that. But if your rotation is 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 3 then you add 4, 5 to that, that's inherently added complexity, especially factoring in the movement aspect of it. Like, that's not something you can argue. That's like saying "Water isn't wet"

[gray bane]

kinda annoying wago is down, was looking for some inspiration for prot warrior, haven't played prot since end of bfa pretty much... can someone share a screenshot of what they have going on? 🙂

[dire tulip]

Let's clear the air. What is your argument from start to finish. If it is all in one place, it may make more sense

[mighty valley]

or

[sand pebble]

water is wet? i thought it was moist

[mighty valley]

we can leave this argument behind

[digital delta]

Its 0:44 here im going to bed, remind me tomorrow

[sand pebble]

luxthos warrior pack for df

[fervent kestrel]

🤦‍♂️

[torn gulch]

it's a stupid argument in the first place the legendary won't matter soon

[gray bane]

perhaps, but wago is down 🙂

[sick sentinel]

water isn't wet

[tardy mural]

use lux site

[gray bane]

so just looking for a screenshot for inspiration since it's been a while since I played

[torn gulch]

luxthos has his own site

[tardy mural]

has a copy link from there

[sand pebble]

https://www.luxthos.com/warrior-weakauras-for-world-of-warcraft-dragonflight/

[gray bane]

ah k, I'll have a look - ultimately I'll create my own, but I need some inspiration :p

[gray bane]

thanks! 🙂

[tardy mural]

https://www.luxthos.com/warrior-weakauras-for-world-of-warcraft-dragonflight/

[sick sentinel]

SPAM

[dire tulip]

Well that was pointless

[gray bane]

man I really have no clue how to prot warrior anymore lol, lovely

[steep condor]

i can't remember if we are supposed to change our conduits if we go necro with the builds in the pin - can anyone help?

[mighty valley]

make sure shield block is up, ram ss/tc/revenge, bleed off rage with ip. donezo

[amber ivy]

ahhh theres no copy button on the warrior wa page

[steep condor]

there is not

what is donezo?

[waxen cradle]

With these prepatch builds were still ignoring Sidearm yeah for our M+ builds yeah, obviously meaning as how WoWhead is justifying it

[gray bane]

hm so you prio revenge over ip?

[mighty valley]

the wowhead calc is outdate, sidearm moved

[mighty valley]

ip is off gcd, so they're not really competing. you don't want dead GCDs ever, so typically your rotational abilities are SS>TC>Rev

there's some nuance as you learn but that's a starting point

[steep condor]

do you tank in battle stance or defensive stance?

[gray bane]

fair, but they compete for rage right

[waxen cradle]

AH ok I see

[sand pebble]

i took sidearm cause i dont like stormbolt

[gray bane]

I tanked a lot on warrior over the years, starting in wrath, but it's been about 2 years since I played prot now 😄

[mighty valley]

in realistic situations we have enough rage that you can fill your GCDs and only use IP to prevent overcapping and still get good IP coverage

[fervent kestrel]

Wowhead build runs Sidearm 24/7

[gray bane]

yeah fair, on a dummy rage regen is a bit wonky

[mighty valley]

IP is wildly inefficient per point of rage spent so it's really rarely something you "prioritize"

[gray bane]

that's fair

[sand pebble]

ip = rage dump

and only rage dump

[steep condor]

so do you stay in defensive or battle stance mostly?

[mighty valley]

only in the case of cutting edge raiding or big m+ key tankbusters are you ever gonna think "i need to build up a big IP"

[gray bane]

I just don't have enough rage/buttons to press on a dummy with devastator :p

[mighty valley]

right now we can safely stay in battle stance pretty much all the time but prepatch tuning is always gonna be wonky

[waxen cradle]

Yeah just after testing on beta for as long as I have I just don't like Sidearm

[fervent kestrel]

What was the reason for not liking it?

[gray bane]

wut, you tank in battle stance? O.o

[sand pebble]

i havent even pressed d stance yet - heroic raid and a 15, health never dropped below 90%

[mighty valley]

we're real real strong rn

[gray bane]

damn

[steep condor]

Thanks

[gray bane]

that goes against everything I know/knew about warriors xD

[mighty valley]

in the olden days, dstance was where our big threat modifier came from

[gray bane]

aye

[mighty valley]

so it was basically essential

[gray bane]

I recall, hence my surprise

[mighty valley]

these days tank damage just does a billion bonus threat for free

[sand pebble]

those days of stance locked abilities are also gone

[gray bane]

yeah I guess so... feelsweirdman

[sand pebble]

i like stances, i like this current form - i hate that swapping specs removes you from all stances

[gray bane]

I just grabbed the default m+ build from wowhead for the time being

[steep condor]

im going to try the no shield spec build - i guess you are mostly using the other one in m+?

[amber ivy]

ive heard of something called stance dancing. is that something thats worth doing?

[lusty grotto]

guys try looking at the pinned specs before doing wowheads

eventually mwahi will update icyveins also

[steep condor]

i was referring to the no shield spec in the pin

[gray bane]

used to be big in pvp haha

[lusty grotto]

wasn't directed at you

wowhead's writer isn't in this discord

[gray bane]

ah I see

[steep condor]

isn't that a bit mad?

[lusty grotto]

so if you have questions about wowhead's specs, you can't really ask them

at least here

[mighty valley]

stance dancing is from a million years ago when we had to switch stances for certain abilities

now it might just be like, switch for a tankbuster

then switch back

[gray bane]

right, that's fair - but indeed the wowhead calculator looks different - do the points still "work" in that sense?

[mighty valley]

again, tuning is all silly just now

[amber ivy]

is anyone here tanking in battle stance?

[mighty valley]

yes

[lusty grotto]

use the beta talent calc

instead of ptr

[sand pebble]

you used to have to swap stances to use certain abilities (hence the stance dancing name) which is no longer the case - now its a 20% damage reduction with a damage penality or 3% crit - completely passive

[strange cloak]

Hi is Blood and thunder talent bug? I don't apply Rend to anyone and every mob has rend xd

[lusty grotto]

no

its intended, read the talent

[gray bane]

yeah, I used the prepatch m+ link from the pins, but sidearm is in a different place for example

[lusty grotto]

mods we need a pin

seriously

how many times is that gonna be asked lol

[strange cloak]

A

fcking tru

[fervent kestrel]

The wording on Blood and Thunder is shit. If you have Rend talented, it applies it to targets when you TC

[gray bane]

it is pinned :p

to be fair

[strange cloak]

yeah

now I understood it xdxddxxdxd

[gray bane]

but my question was if the points are still in the correct place, if that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

no i meant the blood and thunder question

[gray bane]

ahh right, my bad

[strange cloak]

I was thinking that "if u have rend" means that if u have it applied to the mob xd

[fervent kestrel]

Yeah, Blizz did a terrible job wording it

[amber ivy]

there are 3 other talents i can think of off the top of my head that increase bleed damage. getting to them all is a sacrafice though

[gray bane]

it should say something like "if you have learned rend" or whatever

[strange cloak]

Y

[fervent kestrel]

"If you have Rend talented, Thunder Clap also applies Rend to up to 5 targets."

[gray bane]

but indeed, so long as you spec into it, TC gives rend

[strange cloak]

ty guys 😄

[sand pebble]

its uncapped!

[fervent kestrel]

Is it??

[sand pebble]

yes

i pulled 7 packs of murlocs in heroic gambit for fun and hit tc - rend went on everything

[amber ivy]

i honestly want to try a bleed pvp build. it will be boss

[mighty valley]

"if you have rend talented" is about as clear as they can make it

[gray bane]

yup

[strange cloak]

same I've done like a 15 mobs packs and everyone has rend

[sick sentinel]

Yo but what if I DON'T have rend talented

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[fervent kestrel]

No shit. I'm stuck at work, just running off the talent calculators right now

[deep spruce]

then u dont apply rend with tc

[sick sentinel]

Well hell

[fervent kestrel]

Then the Paladin discord is right over there ->

[sand pebble]

^^

[gray bane]

so just cause I'm a simpleton - I want to grab a point in barbaric training and ignore sidearm?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[fervent kestrel]

I personally took Sidearm, but that's just because my DPS like to go Mongo and I'll take any bit of extra threat I can

[lusty grotto]

shrug

i havent picked sidearm

for anything

if you need the extra threat

[gray bane]

haha alright, well I'll just be pugging a bit first since my warrior is a trashcan at ~230 ilvl

[sand pebble]

free 1% damage

[lusty grotto]

idk what to tell you

[fervent kestrel]

Just because I talk numbers doesn't mean I'm any good at the game, lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah i would look at l2p

id say picking talents to cover for mistakes is kind of a problem

or will be in the long run

of course depending on the content you're doing

[gray bane]

is kyrian still the play in prepatch?

[pallid quiver]

"still"

hasn't been the play for seasons now

[gray bane]

oh okay 😄

[pallid quiver]

and it continues to not be the play

[gray bane]

just haven't played prot in 2 years is all 🙂

[sand pebble]

necro for all, play whatever you want and have fun with - im still nf

[pallid quiver]

Necrolord Banner with unity is hilariously busted

[gray bane]

alright cool, thank you 🙂

still need to craft legos as well

[pallid quiver]

It's why Warrior was probably second best tank the past two seasons due to a free like 30% str buff

I..... wouldn't waste money on leggos myself in pre-patch

[gray bane]

eh, I have plenty of gold, they're like 10k or something

[pallid quiver]

our talents are hilariously strong by themselves and enable an actual playstyle

If you do get a legendary, though, probably pick Seismic for M+, I guess

[gray bane]

yeah I'll only be doing m+ for the time being

[pallid quiver]

Reprisal's no longer necessary since you can easily get 100% block uptime without

Then get Seismic and skip picking seismic in the talent trees

The legendary version hits like twice as hard

[gray bane]

nice, yeah I don't have the talent tree one

just slowly piecing a build together

is there a decent soulbind setup somewhere I can yoink if the wowhead guide writer is not on this discord?

[lusty grotto]

icy veins

[gray bane]

cool, shall poke around there, thanks

[lusty grotto]

but some conduints might not work

[gray bane]

oh

[waxen orbit]

Bro

My UI

Is fucking

Ruined

Lmfao

[sand pebble]

Siesmic leggo hits harder than talent?

[waxen orbit]

Also what's good I'm somewhat back

[pallid quiver]

iirc talent does 30%, leggo does 70%? I may be thinking DPS version or something

[amber ivy]

oof sidearms damage is pretty bad

[pallid quiver]

At worst it's a saved talent point

[amber ivy]

i just looked at my history

[gray bane]

guess I'll put the seismic leggo on shoulder or boots and unity on... ring perhaps? idk

[sand pebble]

tooltip for seismic says 75% - guess i gotta craft it now

[pallid quiver]

have you checked pins

because we have a pin about that

[frank hemlock]

what would you buy with dinars?
https://i.imgur.com/9FHxTGL.png

rdm? wep? shield?

[pallid quiver]

I wager it's due to TC costing rage for the other specs, but outburst has always been kinda funny

[terse nova]

ah sorry for that

[frank hemlock]

i got two left and i dunno on what to spend it lmao

[sick sentinel]

just play whatever man nobody's minmaxing at this point

[sand pebble]

rdm is amazing in high keys

[gray bane]

guess it depends if you have upgrade thingies

[frank hemlock]

got one heroic left on bags and one mythic later this week

[pallid quiver]

RDM/Aegis are the usual go-to's after OWS, but ymmv how much value they are in pre-patch

no one's really tracking them that hard atm so

[frank hemlock]

i see

[sand pebble]

think about what you need for leveling

[gray bane]

I'll just see whatever trash I can get from m+ haha

[frank hemlock]

i guess wep wont be too much of an upgrade

[sand pebble]

weap/shield will be replaced - trinkets might stay with you until 70

[low kindle]

Buy scars, they buffed the final rune damage for some reason

[frank hemlock]

we're finishing up some jailer and sylvanas mounts and im prollly playing warrior for those

[sand pebble]

oooo scars as prot didnt even think to play with that

[frank hemlock]

i havent played jailer as warrior so i dunno if kt trinket would be good there

i guess theres a case for aegis for sylvanas too

[lusty grotto]

no

bad

[frank hemlock]

hm

i guess rdm is a good pick then

[lusty grotto]

OWS and whatever offensive thing you have

[frank hemlock]

since i dont have any other trinkets

[sand pebble]

im using stone legion to tank, might put on stun grenade to buff damage

[lusty grotto]

kt trinket as in splitered heart? kinda wasted you're not gonna die there

yeah stun grenade is a good pick

[frank hemlock]

yea splintered heart

[prisma crane]

afaik proc trinkets get buffed now, so RDM should be even better now btw

[frank hemlock]

i'll get on farming that for an offensive trinket then

hmmm

meh

[prisma crane]

~60% iirc

[frank hemlock]

i really like rdm so i'll just waste one on it

i guess the other one will depend on raid drops

[lusty grotto]

OWS

[frank hemlock]

i've got ows already

[lusty grotto]

o

[frank hemlock]

was first pick, no questions there lmao

[lusty grotto]

ok then youre good

do whatever, can even get scars

[gray bane]

so is the section about legendaries in the IV guide outdated now with prepatch?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[gray bane]

cool, so I'll go seismic/unity then, with vers/haste, or?

[lusty grotto]

soulbinds might be relevant, conduits depends on what talents you pick

[gray bane]

ah hmm

I went with the proposed plaguebinder build in the guide

they should just have disabled all SL systems with prepatch tbh

[mighty valley]

i think most of the posted 60 builds take soulbinds into account

[gray bane]

yeah I just used the IV guide, so I guess there's a chance it's outdated

[mighty valley]

i'm torn, people were already sad about tier being turned off

[lusty grotto]

yeah but hes looking at mwahi's guide for soulbinds

[gray bane]

aye I am

looks like ashen juggernaut is doing nothing atm

[mighty valley]

just tooltip bugs

[gray bane]

oh okay

[mighty valley]

i think, at least. like, banner says it's giving 10% str, but when I use it, it gives the correct amount

[gray bane]

yeah mine's giving 16% atm

since it's just an 200 ilvl thing

[sand pebble]

aaf tooltip says 20% str

[gray bane]

ok so I'll craft seismic + unity with vers/haste tomorrow

cause now my bed is calling me

need to take up in less than 7 hours, rip

thanks all for the help and the patience, peace out 🙂

[ocean finch]

Does conduits still work?

[sand pebble]

in shadowlands+content yes

[ocean finch]

Then we still wanna combo Banner with Last stand for more rage regen?

Due to Unnerving Focus

[uneven mason]

Bloodsurge has to be the best QOL talent from 30 - 50

removes all clunkyness

[late notch]

Does the Seismic lego and talent stack?

[lusty grotto]

no

[sand pebble]

No

[late notch]

ok

Thought so

[naive laurel]

are we ever using slam/whirlwind in our rotation?

[lusty grotto]

no

[naive laurel]

figured, thank god]

i dont got button space man

[lusty grotto]

we never used ww in SL at all

or hamstring

[hollow stump]

random question, fueled by violence doesnt work right ? it doesnt show up on details, it doesnt show up on msbt either

[lusty grotto]

it works

[tender cove]

Any1 know how to change quest dialog window/npc windows. Mine is super dark and can barley read quests or any interaction window

[lusty grotto]

do you have the conduit for it?

[hollow stump]

no

why would i ?

[naive laurel]

been having the same thing, dont know if its due to elvui or what

[hollow stump]

im talking about the talent

[lusty grotto]

either way, most of us arent using fueled we dont need the extra healing

[tender cove]

I'm guessing its elvui, been searching color settings past 15 min but cant find anything 😦

[lusty grotto]

pick brutal vitality instead

[hollow stump]

i swapped from it since it doesnt work

now im using BV

[lusty grotto]

it works

its just bad

[hoary maple]

does sword and board apply to devastator as well or just devastate?

[hollow stump]

it doesnt show up on details, it doesnt show up on log

[lusty grotto]

no idea, check pvp channel

or just toggle it on and off on a WM on dummy

by all accounts it should

[gritty swallow]

so im not crazy that its incredibly easy to maintain shield block and banner uptime now right

like i just ran a key and had close to 100% uptime on both without even thinking about it

[modern brook]

wheres the npc thing for covenant levels?

next to the fp guy

thanks

you're welcome

[mighty valley]

where's the flight point guy?

nvm i figured it out, next to the covenant levels thing guy

[wet compass]

what's the point of the no lego build am I missing something?

[sick sentinel]

do we ever press whirlwind

[cosmic cairn]

Are we still using execute? Read somthing about that it might not be the best

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[mighty valley]

no leggo build if you're not wearing any, either for testing or for lack of gold or laziness or whatever

[deep spruce]

No, don't put it on bars

[mighty valley]

execute ain't what it used to be but still better dmg/rage than revenge when available

[sick sentinel]

starting to level a dwarf warrior for heritige and just occured to me i have to hit devestate for a few lvls again.

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum you awake?

or

ok it is

[neon fossil]

If I am using the wall lego, should I take Unbreakable Will?

[lusty grotto]

they dont stack

[neon fossil]

Like so?

Ahh okay, so any recommendations where I should put that extra point?

[lusty grotto]

actually no, that's correct

[neon fossil]

You said they dont stack?

[lusty grotto]

wall doesnt stack with impenetrable

but unbreakable should work

[neon fossil]

So, take unbreakable will instead of impen

Is the syenergy good with the wall?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it should be

[neon fossil]

Okay cool.

[modern brook]

smh

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

Unbreakable Will is v strong for party defense with the wall but if you're not doing anything super deadly you could take any random damage talent instead

[fluid shard]

ashen jugg conduit just broken or tooltip bug?

[mighty valley]

tooltip bug

all the conduit tooltips seem broken but are acting fine

[neon fossil]

Wait, is that a bug. Thunderclap applies Rend? I thought It would only "Spread" the rend if I had applied to to a target first.

[toxic mesa]

its supposed to apply rend

it was changed some time ago

[neon fossil]

Okay, so complete fuck rend off the action bars?

[toxic mesa]

yes

[neon fossil]

Alright. No complaints from me 🙂

[steep condor]

did a few dungeons usin the pin build and even with my shit gear and no legos i felt pretty solid in keys. has anyone been using the no shield spec build? how is it? did you feel vulnerable?

meh eu server shutdown mid run

[ebon wren]

imo the avatar clap build is going to be meta

[steep condor]

is that the one in the pins fo rm+?

[ebon wren]

first link in pins, I think

[marsh forge]

Tooltip is something like If you have Rend it spreads it, its a huge QoL change instead of having to apply rend then TC to spread it like Cata days

[ebon wren]

no that's not it, it's clap + thunderlord, booming voice, outburst

not sure in the pins

[steep condor]

im just gonna keep rocking the no legendary m+ for now

nn all

[ebon wren]

look up palclap on .io

[neon fossil]

Correct. Which is why I thought it was a bug.

[toxic mesa]

i only tanked a +18 iron docks today and i was immortal there, i dont think my hp ever went below 95%, even when the rest of the group wiped on a pack and i waited for them a minute to run back and i was tanking the mobs alone