protection

[rustic belfry]

unfortunately there are no talent based macros atm afaik

[storm shell]

unlucky, that should be an option not macros

[rustic belfry]

if you have mutiple speccs saved (e.g. one with ravager the other with shockwave) you can switch between them and your bars are updated

[jagged pier]

your bars save per talent lay out

[rustic belfry]

thats what i meant 😄

[storm shell]

what do u mean if i switch talents my bars change?

can't see that

only active/disabled part

[rustic belfry]

you can save your talent tree as a layout (bottom left) and you can switch between layouts

[oblique garnet]

battlestance is fine

you take 0 damage anyways

[storm shell]

@rustic belfry can u screenshot that for me? 😄

[storm shell]

yeah but thats only talent layout

[rustic belfry]

yeah and your bars update to your layout

[bold linden]

is it possible to use mouse wheel up /down as hotkey when using the wow default ui?

[jagged pier]

yes

u just need to set them to a keybind

[bold linden]

oh okay thanks i see!

[jagged pier]

well i think so

[oblique garnet]

yeah that works

[storm shell]

@rustic belfry so I have layout with and without spell block, if I switch between them it becomes active/disabled. I want it to disappear

[jagged pier]

i accidently bound scroll wheel to somehting on alpha

[jagged pier]

yer remove it from your bars on the layout which isnt using it

it wont show up then

[storm shell]

holy hell

thanks!

[bold linden]

yeah works now thanks!

[mighty grail]

Might be stupid, but will we run defensive stance now?

[jagged pier]

u can if u want

and in content u find hurts or difficult for sure u will

but its really where you feel comfortable and on a player to player basis what stance u use

and when

as a general rule of thumb if your tanking

like activly tanking

be in def stance

[mighty grail]

Cool thanks! See that we have WW as spell now aswell, is it a thing?

[jagged pier]

we have had it all SL

and no u dont use it

it doesnt go on your bars

[mighty grail]

same as slam?

[jagged pier]

yes same as slam

[storm shell]

@jagged pier also I've just now deleted all my talent layouts and created a new one and everything from my bars is gone, is there a way to prevent that and create new layout base on different one?

[mighty grail]

Thx!

[jagged pier]

I dont know, i would suggest not deleting all your layouts

just have a default one with the spells u always want in the correct places i guees

🤷

[storm shell]

ye

[strong forum]

You can checkmark a box that says "don't swap Action bars with talent setup"

Smth along those lines

[strong forum]

Ya that

[deep plume]

Any one got the new rotation and talent build ?

[strong forum]

CDs > SS > tc > revenge

[leaden carbon]

no slam right?

[strong forum]

I said what I said

[onyx matrix]

Slam as a prot warrior? Cmon man you're making me nervous

[leaden carbon]

yeh I mean I loged and saw it on my spellbook, wanted to puke

it even replaced revenge on my bar for some reason

[latent zenith]

At the risk of asking a dumb question, do you use execute when available?

[deep plume]

SS ? TC ?

[strong forum]

Only on pure single target

As soon as there is more than 1 target, revenge > execute

[latent zenith]

Easy, thanks.

[deep plume]

Really dumb question what is SS and tc

[strong forum]

Shield slam

Thunder clap

[deep plume]

When do you use slam and rend ?

[strong forum]

Never

[rustic belfry]

rend is now applied by tc if talented

[untold adder]

lol

Rend + tc = bleed fuckers, bleed

[jagged pier]

why would u rend + tc

just tc

its rends everything anyway

[untold adder]

only if 1 target hit is rended, no?

[keen kite]

I thought it was that way too

[strong forum]

No

[keen kite]

but tc just appplies rend if you have the talent

[strong forum]

You don't need to ever press rend

[untold adder]

ah i see

"if you have rend" it just fucking rends

omega kek

[strong forum]

Just talent into rend, TC manually applies it

[sleek current]

Has anyone noticed that Unbreakable Will's passive is applying despite picking Impenetrable Wall? Every time I Avatar, I'm giving the party a 4 second Shield Wall.

[strong forum]

Sometimes talents don't update

[oblique garnet]

[sleek current]

But, I'm still getting the 5 second reduction on Shield Wall when Slamming. :/

[broken mulch]

Not even 100% feelsbadman@oblique garnet

[strong forum]

The bigger question is

How much dmg

Cuz banner and SB was never in doubt

[oblique garnet]

18.7k

[strong forum]

Which key

[oblique garnet]

Was accidentally in dstance

the entire key

Docks 20

[strong forum]

Mh aight

[jagged pier]

F

[strong forum]

Thats less than I imagined

[broken mulch]

Oh stance dance gonna be important again? Sweet

[oblique garnet]

no

[strong forum]

Not important

[broken mulch]

Oh

[jagged pier]

just be in battlestance cause SB is better we have like the same EHP in bstance as we did yesterday

[oblique garnet]

you just stay battle stance and forget till you cant

[broken mulch]

Sadge

[strong forum]

It's just an 11% dmg diff between stances

So late woulda done close to 21k if he was in bstance

[severe portal]

from talents u got for sonic boom or unstoppable force?

[strong forum]

UF

Sonic boom is dead

[broken mulch]

Can't wait to start playing again xD didn't do since like season 2

[oblique garnet]

its with the brain afk build

thats what im gonna call this

[strong forum]

Could remove sidearm

And get wildstrikes

[jagged pier]

sidearms

[strong forum]

But yeh, it's literally my build

Ultra comf

[oblique garnet]

sidearms did 1.5%

so not too bad

[untold adder]

Lol

[strong forum]

Hate sidearms

Wildstrikes is pog

[jagged pier]

thats aweful

[frozen elbow]

Hi hi, if i play prot/arms, what covenant should i run for prepatch?

[untold adder]

fuck covenants

[strong forum]

Necro for prot, NF/kyrian for arms

[untold adder]

all my bros hates covenants

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter u can switch freely

[frozen elbow]

I never leveled up Venthyr D:

[oblique garnet]

idk extra autoattack speed aint much either

[untold adder]

doesnt matter

just buy the item that boosts to max renown

[strong forum]

Auto attack speed means more SS

And you just get 1% haste for free ye?

[frozen elbow]

Oh snap forgot about that item ty

[oblique garnet]

idk ill test

[strong forum]

There's not much to test

They're about equal

But sidearm is just cringe af

[untold adder]

true

[storm shell]

is there a way to make buttons glow while buff is active? I thought they've added this or am I tripping

[strong forum]

I could tell you with weakauras

But not default

[untold adder]

anyone have a good WA or Plater profile or addon or anything like that, that screams in my face if a spell is being casted that i can reflect?

[grizzled nova]

anyone else have any issue with loading weakauras?

the mod isn't loading at all no matter how many times I reinstall it

[strong forum]

F

[untold adder]

we dont ever use slam og ww, right? they booth look disgusting.

[rustic belfry]

no slam no ww.. those are badies

[untold adder]

big baddies

[storm shell]

and rend

[untold adder]

ye i got that

ive seen the purpose

i wish they had deactivated legendaries and covenants bullshit with prepatch

im so done

[sleek current]

Thunderclap applying Rend without an existing Rend is intended?

[jagged pier]

yes

[sleek current]

🤤

[untold adder]

tooltip says so

[rustic belfry]

it was changed from spreading rend to applying it

[gusty furnace]

New to Prot. Just wanted to say thanks for having me and answering my questions in the future! 🫶

[leaden carbon]

So no rend in bars?

[rustic belfry]

yes no rend no ww no slam

[leaden carbon]

Great

[sleek current]

Oh, I see. The wording confused me I guess they mean, if you've talented Rend it will spread Rend.

[rustic belfry]

not spread but apply to 5 targets

so you dont have to use rend before tc anymore

[sleek current]

Thanks. 🙂

[untold adder]

so ive tried to look as much in to professions as i can. What are you guys guys with? seems legit, if you care to spend time on it (i do) to go BS (and probably mining idc yet) ? (I only m+)

[jagged pier]

your profs dont matter

what so ever

[winter loom]

So we use Seismic rn?

[jagged pier]

in m+ yer

[untold adder]

can someone share a nice m+ build? lets just assume i dont have any legendaries.. 😛

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/mirrorverse-pins-check-the-pins-mirrorverse-pins-gif-26162171

[jagged pier]

[untold adder]

YEA WELL

[cobalt seal]

Mine is better looking

[untold adder]

PINS ASSUME I HAVE LEGENDARY

[cobalt seal]

Pins assume you can read

[jagged pier]

just pick one

it doesnt matter

[untold adder]

Worth talenting in to seismic as i dont have lego?

[ionic fern]

For m+? Yes.

[smoky pike]

is this a bug or?

[sick sentinel]

outbuest was bugged as tier set as well 6 stack + ip = outburst, which ever of the 2 evolved version is cuz ???? reasons

[jagged pier]

yes

[sick sentinel]

i have full confidence in blizzard to fix outburst

we have assured the administrator that nothing will go wrong

[spice axle]

can someone give me offensive m+ build

[jagged pier]

[shut flare]

is prot batlte stance just like gladiator>/

for dps?

[jagged pier]

no

[shut flare]

okay thanks

[winter loom]

So, where do we craft our leggos now?

[jagged pier]

the same place as always i would presume

[winter loom]

alright

[cold zealot]

Hold to cast doesnt work on retail, atleast for me. On Beta it does work on SS and TC

Can somone please check if it is working for them?

[cobalt seal]

Why would you hold cast ss or tc

[cold zealot]

just playing around

And a but confused why its working on beta realm but not prepatch

[winter loom]

So btw, since we use seismic, we can spec it off from the tree, right?

[untold adder]

yes

[cobalt seal]

You should

Or the lego stops working

[smoky pike]

is necrolord or kyrian best for prot now?

[jagged pier]

necrolord

[cobalt seal]

Not using check the pins

Smh

[charred ivy]

Any good prepatch yt guide out there?

[cobalt seal]

Same as live

See buttons press buttons

Really simple

[spice axle]

yea but those talents linked to wowhead calculator are not updated i think

[charred ivy]

Kinda bad answer ngl xD

[jagged pier]

no because anyone thats put one out there has no spent enough time with the talents and stuff to know all the good and back things about the spec

go test and find out for yourself what works for u

[jagged pier]

they are updated for prepatch

[cobalt seal]

Inc this feels wrong

[untold adder]

they dont match the ingame talents 100%

[jagged pier]

only thing thats different is barbaric placement

[spice axle]

yes

[jagged pier]

and that literally doesnt matter

u ither put it to the right or the left

and thats because the wowhead talents are from beta not pre patch the lay outs are different

but it doesnt mean anything the point still goes to that talent

literally

changes

nothing

[thorny quiver]

What would be bigger value for my ungeared prot (looking to jump into keys and get 20s done before end of the prepatch), OWS or Aegis

[jagged pier]

OWS

u cant be undergeared its pre patch

because tuning

[thorny quiver]

Have s1 gear besides a couple pieces, but ty I will get ows

[jagged pier]

i dont think u understand how strong prot is now due to them giving us block time and making block 30% better

[thorny quiver]

I'm excited to find out in the next days :)

[strong forum]

Keep in mind

[charred moat]

guys any build for single target boss like sylvanas?

mythic

[strong forum]

Trinkets that have straight number values like absorbs and dmg effects got buffed by 65%

So aegis and rdm have just gotten 65% stronger

[strong forum]

Pinned

[jagged pier]

imma take the haste tho as we loose ITF now

[cobalt seal]

People should 100% do a quiz with pins info before being able to ask questions

[charred moat]

wowhead the wall build?

[jagged pier]

true

[ionic fern]

Is there a leaper build in the pinS?

If not, why?

[cobalt seal]

This isnt battlegrounds

[strong forum]

Can't outrun your problems

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

[cobalt seal]

Leapers are only beast loobies

[strong forum]

There are 2 St builds pinned, 1 with the wall, 1 with reprisal

Pick the one you like more, or which legendary you like to play more

[icy yarrow]

yeeted reprisal as soon i logged today, feelsgood

[strong forum]

Can replace tough as nails with spell Block for sylv

Since she barely ever attacks

[jagged pier]

damage is damage tho

[strong forum]

Emphasis on can

[jagged pier]

[charred moat]

thx for answer ❤️

[spice axle]

anyone knows the Tough as Nails avg overall damage in m+?

[cobalt seal]

3-4%

Maybe more

[spice axle]

ok ty

[oblique garnet]

Ah so you cant solo shared suffering anymore

[spice axle]

why

[oblique garnet]

straight up just oneshots now

even through wall etc

[craggy pilot]

oh no my whole UI is fucked up

[cobalt seal]

News at 11

Ui getting fucked on patch day

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

[oblique garnet]

yeah i did not expect to die through wall + fleshcraft and reflect

[strong forum]

Did you still have mortal strike debuff

[oblique garnet]

No

[cobalt seal]

How much dmg did it do?

[oblique garnet]

138K

[jagged pier]

oh i can live that

i have that much hp

[oblique garnet]

Thats through every mitigation

138K through everything

[cobalt seal]

What key lvl was it

[oblique garnet]

22

[tender cove]

ehm, so updated elvui in tukui client and it just straight deleted it?? What? 😒

[cobalt seal]

Stuff not working properly on pre patch

[jagged pier]

wow thats news

[cobalt seal]

And people are surprized

[tender cove]

I'm not suprised shit is not working, im suprised it deleted the entire addon instead of updating it

[cobalt seal]

Blizzard and fucking addons devs last minute

News at 11 xD

[craggy pilot]

why the fuck is my main bar this size?

[cobalt seal]

So you dont miss ss casts

[craggy pilot]

but the icons itself are smol

[tender cove]

Taking a backup before starting today...would have been a somewhat intelligent decision 😒

[craggy pilot]

backup?

doesnt rly help much i think

but i took a screenshot

[tender cove]

Was talking about myself and elvui... But after reinstalling everything, it actually works like before. I'm impressed.

[spice axle]

can we stack conduits with talents? brutal vitality for example

[cobalt seal]

No

[spice axle]

meh

[umbral jungle]

Does the dance of death talent for protection stack over 2 minutes?

[lapis vigil]

any prot guide updated?

[umbral jungle]

so if you pull loads of mobs you can stack it for the increasxe 20% dmg per kill

[wild sandal]

is the wowhead talent build for m+ good, it has no ravger and shield charge?

[jagged pier]

well u cant get there u only have limited points

[craggy pilot]

Outburst + Indom is just straight up better

guessing BV is also better than Ravager 🤔

[wild sandal]

alright ill use it, just wanted to ask ty

[oblique garnet]

Test it out figure it yourself which performs the best 🙂

[tender cove]

Interesting. Blizz chooses a default build for you. Didnt expect that

Also interesting to see THEIR choices for us

[lone eagle]

Any idea what the hell is doing this

[cobalt seal]

Disable all addons

[tender cove]

I do

Its the mission table addon

forgot name

[lone eagle]

I did, and everything was clean

Oh yeah it snuck itself back on

perfect, was losing my mind but somehow it turned itself back on after I had a functional UI

[tender cove]

Have to say, smoothest prepatch in history for me. Took less than 10 minutes and my UI looks and work almost exactly like it did before prepatch. Just missing some QOL wa's and stuff

[mighty grail]

TLDR missiontable ye?

[tender cove]

I really can't remember the name, I deleted mine after he ended support. I just saw it posted in another discord and they said it was the mission table addon.

[late saddle]

What's the recommended conduits for the Mythic + Build Pinned and would you say could still use it kyrian too or just necro?

[mighty grail]

Can confirm it’s that addon, atleast was for me

[slim elk]

Covenant Mission Helper

[solid granite]

damn son, prot dps is no joke rn

[sick sentinel]

Wait, sidedarm has re changed position on live? compared to beta

compared to BT

[tender cove]

Its in the same spot for me unless i'm blind. I do feel something have changed, the points are off.

[drifting fable]

.

[ionic fern]

Beta / Live are not synced. PTR / Live are.
Yes, Sidearm changed spots with Barbaric Training on PTR/Live.
No, this change is not on Beta.

[tender cove]

Have they increased points needed for the last tier on the warrior tree?
I cant put my finger on it but something is very different

[violet lance]

TIL that if you use Reprisal with Shield Charge talents, you can keep 100% uptime on Shield Block with extra 1-2 charges of Shield Block on the erady

[ionic fern]

You're a late learner.

[solid granite]

Do i win something now? Also, nice

[craggy pilot]

how do i get this shit to line up like in the old ui :<

[ionic fern]

👀

[near walrus]

check the grid icon when you edit your ui

[craggy pilot]

am i forced to have my Action Bar 3 outside of the gryphon?

[tender cove]

Go into edit mode and move them?

[woven trench]

Hey are we playing seismic leggy or is the wall with the group buff a option? I didn’t came to test it. I’m at work.

[near walrus]

no, click on the bar 1 and remove the gradong

dragon*

[craggy pilot]

can i move the gryphons?

[craggy pilot]

i dont want to remove them, i want to move them

[near walrus]

i don't think so

[tender cove]

You can move anything in wow.

[craggy pilot]

in the new ui? how?

[tender cove]

Moveanything addon.

[craggy pilot]

gryphon is overlapping my buttons

[tender cove]

ohh that, disable blizz artwork. Not sure if you can in the default UI, if you do, i dont know where. but several addons can do it.

[craggy pilot]

i dont want to remove the gryphons

i want it on the side of my bar3

[near walrus]

you can remove them but not move them

[tender cove]

Not possible

They are default size and location.

[craggy pilot]

lul

[sick sentinel]

Try changing the scaling

2 things hardcoded deep into game: bag and bank stuff (slots/size) and griphons/wind riders

[keen saddle]

Is anyone using KUI and got it to work? I freakin hate plater

[half dew]

I just swapped because KUI is broken atm

[untold adder]

several addons are broken as fuck

OmniCD is toast as well

[broken mulch]

Welcome to pre patch baby

[jagged pier]

big shock addons broken on patch day

[broken mulch]

I can't believe blizzard shipped prepatch with broken addons 😂

[heavy temple]

Do we use bstance alot?

I'm not sure when to use it

[sleek maple]

Dying = dstance, Not dying = bstance

[urban bane]

perma bstance gamer sorry my dstance is broken

[gentle acorn]

Does defensive stance still effect threat?

[urban bane]

If it does it hardly matters. I tanked a few keys last night with no threat issues in bstance

[mellow quartz]

No

[ionic fern]

Threat is tied to "tank specialization".

[steep condor]

I see a m+ build with a specific legendary and another build 'without shield specialisation'. Is that second one the one to go for if you have no lego's?

The pin doesn't say it's for people without lego's .. it says maybe it will be good without shield specialisation

[strong forum]

X-legendary just means you don't pick the talent Version of the legendary

Seismic and the wall are on the talent tree, so you skip using those and instead use the legendary

[ionic fern]

Now you gotta make a 3rd build @strong forum "No legendary".

[open gazelle]

Nobody asked blizz to update the ui… this is dumb, we should have a choice not to use it

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

The no legendary build is the same as seismic

[sand pebble]

you do have a choice

[ionic fern]

Wdym, new UI is great.

[strong forum]

Except you pick seismic

Instead of 1 other talent

Done

[open gazelle]

It’s not really

[jagged pier]

u can literally make the new ui like the old ui

it literally doesnt matter

they are just putting some functionallity addons have been giving for years

[steep condor]

what would you recommend dropping in favour of seismic?

[ionic fern]

Sure.
But the 50 new people asking it every hour don't know it. 😂
How am i supposed to hit them with the " "

[jagged pier]

☝️

also lots off ppl have asked bliz to update their ui, mayself included

[untold adder]

wild strikes id say

[mellow quartz]

People have asked blizzard to modernize the UI the last 15 years lol

[broken mulch]

😂 literally no downside for the new UI, only when addons are broken first few days. For new players or casual players who don't use any addons it's a huge upgrade, and for those who use the addons its a non factor and if you really are set in stone in old ways you can use the setting linked above as I was typing xD

[jagged pier]

dont know what your build is so cant say

[open gazelle]

@sand pebble that doesn’t change the stupid bag and map changes

[steep condor]

the seismic m+ one from the pins

[untold adder]

map and bag changes are great

[mellow quartz]

Addons break every expansion. The code changes behind the scenes on many things.

[untold adder]

finally not using a bag and map addon

[open gazelle]

Why are my bag icons so damn big and take up so much space

[strong forum]

Done

No legendary m+ build

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgURQRlBAQBEMVUVEVEUFVYBQCQE

[steep condor]

Thanks @strong forum

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

u can scale them down

[mellow quartz]

Elvui works perfectly and makes everything look like you are used to if you run that.

[jagged pier]

literally everything can be scaled

[steep condor]

@strong forum what did you drop to make way for the seismic ?

[untold adder]

wild strikes..

[strong forum]

I dropped pain and gain

[steep condor]

ok thanks

[jagged pier]

u aint dropping wild strikes for it

[strong forum]

You can also opt to not have overwhelming rage

But overwhelming rage is surprisingly nice to play with

It's huge QoL

[steep condor]

yah i will follow your link 🙂 QoL sounds fun. Thanks!

[mellow quartz]

Just 1 point in overwhelming rage is such a big difference. 2 points is a little much.

[untold adder]

ive found i dont really need it

[strong forum]

Then you need to get better so you do

[untold adder]

just gives me a slightly bigger buffer before capping, no need

[mellow quartz]

Dunno abt prepatch but in DF you can feel it.

[steep condor]

Are you from Northern Ireland?

[strong forum]

Almost

[steep condor]

?

[strong forum]

German

[ionic fern]

I thought you're Norwegian.

[steep condor]

"so you do" is a very northern ireland thing to say lol

[strong forum]

No that was erga

Who's been mia for months

[ionic fern]

👀

@sweet summit

[strong forum]

Last message was from 15th September

😟

[brittle owl]

did erga escape the matrix

[sweet summit]

yo

[jagged pier]

😮

[strong forum]

Y u afk

So much

[ionic fern]

He's alive.

😮

[sweet summit]

irl shit sorry

[steep condor]

wait, how do we know it's really him?

[untold adder]

yikes

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

It might be rosjen

[steep condor]

that's exactly what a kidnapper would say

[strong forum]

U rite

[jagged pier]

[minor helm]

Love some ergaw

[brittle owl]

@sweet summit thoughts on bleach new season

[ionic fern]

The what?

[sweet summit]

idk haven't seen it

i'm not a weeb

[brittle owl]

ok weeb

[minor helm]

[dusky silo]

Could it be that the talent guide for prot is a bit outdated?

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

no

[ionic fern]

"Not a weeb".

[sweet summit]

visual bug

[ionic fern]

Anyways.

Take care.

[minor helm]

Erga ur pink too?

[dusky silo]

https://www.wowhead.com/beta/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUkURQQlBAQBEMVUVEVEUFVYBQCQE

this is not the up to date talent tree thow

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[strong forum]

Wowhead is using the beta talent build

[sweet summit]

[brittle owl]

so you're saying

[strong forum]

Because they weren't sure which build was gonna go on retail

Ptr or beta

[brittle owl]

orange man bad at job

[dusky silo]

ah

[strong forum]

Ptr build is 1 build behind beta

[brittle owl]

orange man should update

[strong forum]

Not my ploblem

[sand pebble]

so the health change is a deepening bond thing you think?

[brittle owl]

ofc it is

[strong forum]

Nah, vanguard has been nerfed

[brittle owl]

mwahi is retired blue man

[strong forum]

To make up for the talents we get

[brittle owl]

you're the punching bag now

[sand pebble]

oloooo that makes sense ty

[strong forum]

If yiu pick all stamina nodes on the tree, you should be right back where you left off

[jagged pier]

ah wtf is mael doing here

[ionic fern]

[delicate kraken]

Eh maybe so, I for one had zero fun playing pwarrior at the beginning

[strong forum]

Mael being naeno

[jagged pier]

then sorry, you bad

[strong forum]

I liked pwar in 9.0 just fine, the playstyle got better from bfa to SL

[delicate kraken]

What equates to bad

Mr. Starshine

[brittle owl]

say that to my face in felhammer nerd

i dare you

[strong forum]

And I'm sad that we go a bit back to bfa playstyle

[steep condor]

what was bfa play style?

[brittle owl]

clap

just clap

[jagged pier]

u cant fit it in

[ionic fern]

You said Prot was bad in 9.0..and then said it wasn't "fun". 👀
Fun != good/bad.

[steep condor]

ah ok

[strong forum]

Bfa was 70% thunderclap

20% SS

[untold adder]

ye, clap clap clap

[strong forum]

10% w/e

[ionic fern]

And 1% Heroic Throw.

[untold adder]

avatar up? clap even harder

[strong forum]

Now atleast we have more CDs and revenge actually does big damage

[thorny laurel]

which build do you prefer at the moment?

[jagged pier]

it is to some ppl, probably him

[brittle owl]

it was 90% clap 10% make sure you make clap 90%

[steep condor]

i just got a /w "dude prot warrior is unkillable. Too good to be true." in game

[strong forum]

I'll prolly play the "no shield specialisation" build

Literal max dam

[jagged pier]

im probably gunna play the wall build cause i only log to raid

[jagged pier]

i have nerd

[steep condor]

@strong forum is that no shield spec build for ppl with very good gear or a very good healer?

[jagged pier]

no

just for ppl that wanna blast

[strong forum]

^

You're not gonna be alot squishier

[steep condor]

no legendary required?

[strong forum]

Cuz you still have 100% block uptime

[steep condor]

i want to blast!

[strong forum]

No legendary required

[steep condor]

boom

or.. CLAP

[thorny laurel]

which guide do you follow?

[steep condor]

pins

[strong forum]

I follow my own guide, if you're asking me

[brittle owl]

ha

[jagged pier]

he makes the guides

[thorny laurel]

ah sorry

[brittle owl]

orange man funny

[jagged pier]

if your asking

[flat jackal]

does elvui not work anymore?

[severe hatch]

He travels forward in time and asks his future self for guidance

[amber ravine]

gotta update it @flat jackal

mine works just fine

[flat jackal]

I did

[flat jackal]

i updated it, restarted wow, nothing happened

Still doesn't load 😦

[amber ravine]

wierd

[jagged pier]

u update it in the correct game?

i deleted some addons from wotlk this morning

[steep condor]

I wish it was easier to visually compare two builds

i struggle with that

[jagged pier]

u dont

u play them

and choose which one u prefer

[flat jackal]

Yeah. Elvui 12.93 😦

[steep condor]

im looking at the no shield spec build and the no lego build and just wanting to see the difference. I'll look more careflyy using a very wide screen monitor

[flat jackal]

Double checked to make sure it's in retail

[steep condor]

I need to be told which one i prefer.

[flat jackal]

Double checked to download retail

[jagged pier]

please no use brain figure out yourself

its game

mwahi going completely different to everyone in DF

[steep condor]

brain overloaded and foggy

i will follow meta

[strong forum]

Ya takes a while to learn the builds

I didn't spend 50hrs on beta for nothing

[steep condor]

i appreciate you @strong forum

[sick sentinel]

Has anyone Reyes any M+ today if so can you link me a set up talent wise. ☺️

[jagged pier]

and ppl still think streamers with 2 hours on the class know more than Nome

[sick sentinel]

Tried*

[steep condor]

@jagged pier you gotta realise that for some people just the basic ability set is new so comparing variants of them is very hard to do.

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

then dont worry about whats best get used to the basic stuff then compare.

[marsh forge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-lead-a-horse-to-water-stubborn-proverb-not-allowed-risky-gif-15609394

[untold adder]

i relly like how the talents; for a large part; speaks to your preference. Ofc there are some talents you just want to have, but still so many small tweaks you can change to depending on your style or t he dungeon you are about to jump in to

[jagged pier]

i promise you will get and be so much better at a class or spec if u try things out

[untold adder]

they did a great job.

[jagged pier]

not just follow what your told

[steep condor]

ok i will do that in DF. In the past i've alted like crazy so blindly followed the meta. In DF i say NO to altoholic behaviour so i will have time to do this. **disclaimer: I say this every patch and expansion but really really mean it.

[untold adder]

thats what i said in BFA when i went prot warrior season 1.

[steep condor]

ps it's you're.

[jagged pier]

u dont need to spend much time on alts anymore theres no borrowed power so if anything alting is easier next expansion

[steep condor]

how did that turn out?

[untold adder]

absolutely terrible. I was stubborn so i didnt reroll fast enough and was behind. I obviously did reroll eventually

[steep condor]

why did you reroll at all though?

[sick sentinel]

I personnaly like playing warr tank more defensivly then dmg wise so talents giving me self healing and absorb is more fun then picking dmg talents.

[steep condor]

i plan not to reroll come hell or high water

[jagged pier]

why would u reroll from prot in S1 BFA

it was great

[untold adder]

It wasnt great at all

[jagged pier]

it was amazing

if u knew how to play

[minor helm]

[jagged pier]

truth is the truth

[steep condor]

i said i would not alt and now i have 3 warriors, 2 monks and every other class at 60 plus 6 more at 50 which are repeats also. This has to stop.

[jagged pier]

dude u need to touch some grass

[steep condor]

i would but i have plate boots on now and. a desire to smash stuff in the face

[untold adder]

Didnt matter how good i was, im 99% a solo player and it was straight up impossible for me to find m+ groups.

[jagged pier]

there are more things than just the game

[steep condor]

i will live the warrior life

[jagged pier]

okay i didnt have an issue

and i pug all my m+

cause my guild hated going m+ at the time

[steep condor]

i literally decided on warrior for the class fantasy. I don't care how it stacks up against other stuff. I know for my level of play it will be good enough and as a tank I won't be a slave to the meta as people are always desperate for tanks in m+ (raid i will dps)

[jagged pier]

the only time meta slave is a thing is if your top 50 guild or your pushing the highest possible keys

[steep condor]

exactly right

[jagged pier]

otherwise there is literally 0 need to play the meta

but for some reason ppl dont understand that

[steep condor]

i think for 20's i will be fine as ANY tank spec even if i am pugging them.

[untold adder]

for sure

[steep condor]

well if you are a dps player you literally won't get invited if you are the 'wrong spec'... tanks have it easier.

although you can 'push your own key'

[untold adder]

lol yea gl with that. But it is true, people are slaves to the meta on others behalf. "why would i take a subpar spec in to MY KEY" mentality.

[clever summit]

anyone have a good working wa pack

[steep condor]

i heard luxthos updated but i got a bunch of lua errors caught by bugcatcher

he has also gone from 3 to 1 wa now which is a bonus

[clever summit]

everything ive tried so far is absolutely slamming the errors

yeah liked that about luxthos

[steep condor]

thanks for all the advice guys - can't wait to try it out later.

[pallid isle]

I'm using Afenar's and it doesn't seem to have any issues

[lone eagle]

I'm using Quazii's package

And just added all the new buttons manually

[untold adder]

im using naowhs and that seems to work fine

[tender cove]

Im using noms and it works fine

[inland raft]

After bot playing since feb my ui is a disaster but got plenty if time to sort it out since prob wont actually start playing til the event

[primal totem]

I haven't watched the talents super hard in beta, but the 4 secs from Immovable Object feels weak...

[jagged pier]

Bro its SW every 30 seconds

For the group

[strong forum]

The point of that is, if you have predictable dmg income

It's massively overpowered

You can hold your avatars for a bit to send it just before a tank buster

And be literally a god

Granted, this requires actual dmg intake

[primal totem]

Yeah, that is fair... Understanding group damage spikes then mitigating it

[strong forum]

Don't focus too much on unbreakable will

[strong forum]

Glad to hear that

[jagged pier]

im using my own scuffed one

it works for me

nomes i tested on beta i did not gel with it, just not for me

but ui is a very subjective thing

[inland raft]

Ive always done my own uis for that reason

[amber ravine]

Is thunderlord a decent leggo to swap out with reprisal for this post s4?

[jagged pier]

u can do

but seismic is a better choice

[amber ravine]

thats a talent, does it stack?

[tender cove]

They disable all set bonuses but not the leggos? Seems bit odd, why not just disable both?

[spring umbra]

So overall how are we feeling in prepatch? good? bad? break even?

[jagged pier]

talents, conduits and leggos do not stack with each other

[spring umbra]

honestly can't decide if I want to bother playing yet after grinding beta

[tender cove]

Nah, no point burning out a month before launch. I'm planning on just casually keeping my muscle memory up and taking this month as a form of break mentally so I can go ham all winter.

[inland raft]

Been off for a year and still just plan to work on ui, keybinds, and maybe do a couple off things to shake off cobwebs, never reallt felt like playing right before new expansions

[timid thicket]

Am I retarded or are the pinned builds not matching live? Sidearm and barbaric training swapped spots?

[untold adder]

yea thats the only difference

[jagged pier]

yer wowhead used beta build

which is ahead of the ptr/pre patch build

doesnt matter at all tho

[strong forum]

Wowhead uses beta build

Retail is 1 build behind beta

[swift shard]

How has the new talents been treating people?

[modern brook]

wowheads build is 1 ahead of retails because it uses beta's build

[modern brook]

well; its nice having access to all the powerful tools we had locked behind other, more powerful tools without losing those tools

[strong forum]

Bull is a fun guy

[modern brook]

[swift shard]

That mostly makes sense

[strong forum]

Df pwar is like SL pwar

Except you get to wear 4 more legendaries

That's how I'd describe it

[solemn current]

And reprisal gets to sit in timeout of course

[half summit]

what conduits do u even play in m+ now? execute is trash

and cant play show of force

[plush tendon]

thank christ

[strong forum]

Adaptive armor fragment and covenant

Ashen jugg is still useful

[half summit]

[strong forum]

But only on bosses

[odd tree]

It was so nice not having to think about charge weaving and intervene

[solemn current]

There’s a lot of different builds floating around and some are using punish some ain’t. And I know the talent is better but there’s a lot of good points that have to be given up to get SoF I feel like

[jagged pier]

u should have punish anyway

and yes because u want vigor

[half summit]

the alternatives are bad it looks like and the SoF in talent is better than conduit

[tardy knot]

How good is the default build?

[jagged pier]

aweful

[tardy knot]

Anyone have a decent alternative for M+?

[jagged pier]

[tardy knot]

tyty

[plush tendon]

missing a lot of the fun toys which are at the bottom of the trees 😦

[tardy knot]

That's just level 60 stuff tho right?

[plush tendon]

so ima chill in beta till release for gameplay 🙂

[mellow quartz]

Blizzard gives 0 fucks abt peoples lvl 60 talents lol

It’s all balanced around having 11 extra points

[plush tendon]

^

[half summit]

just get shield spec, indom and VO

[plush tendon]

once you hit 70 youll get shockwave, dragons roar, ravager, shield charge

[left bloom]

the m+ build that "should be good for necrolord".. is it also good/decent as kyrian?

[plush tendon]

lots of fun stuff

[inland raft]

I actually gotta make more keybinds with so many more buttons to press

[plush tendon]

I lost keybinds

😦

[inland raft]

Well once get to 70

[plush tendon]

wait... thats a good thing

[mellow quartz]

Wait, the TC and outburst on 7 stacks is still a bug in prepatch even after they fixed it on the beta last build?

[inland raft]

Right now its less

[plush tendon]

In beta I feel like I have less

[jagged pier]

ptr was a build behind beta

so yes

[mellow quartz]

They fixed the other bug on the PTR before fixing it on beta though

Facepalm

[jagged pier]

:Shrug:

[solemn current]

Necro still better but it’s not like kyrian is useless. Banner uptime is just so much easier at the moment and more valuable. You should give it a try. 100% uptime on Movement speed increase is BiS anyways.

[inland raft]

The beta they push to ptr is often not the same as they have internally, iterative development means they often a couple builds ahead already

So prepatch/beta/internal all different builds

[left bloom]

thx dude, will give it a try

[plush tendon]

the real question is what TMOG is everyone strutting into DF with? Im still looking for a good looking shield.... but I cant seem to find one that I really like

[mellow quartz]

For the last week or 2 they have alternated between fixing bugs on the PTR before the beta and then the other way around.

[edgy flax]

I like the one illidan drops in black temple but it never drops for me

[inland raft]

Ill keep using what ive used for a while a furry using bulwark and s1 sl pvp set

Theres a boe from i think wod? Thats a hd remodel of illidans

I prefer the original still but honestly they so close that unless back and forth comparison cant really see the diff

[pallid isle]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=118874/blackrock-bulwark?bonus=6661

[plush tendon]

I have that; idk, it looks alright, but its almost too big for my tiny blood elf

[last yew]

is thunder clap consuming outburst on the 7th charge and not 8th?

[mortal brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/847102298337050665/847102755310534676/unknown.png

[last yew]

is it a known bug?

[mellow quartz]

Fixed on beta but not this build of PTR apparently

[mellow quartz]

(Live now)

[oak echo]

i've been rocking the legion hidden appearance since forever and i still love it. it's almost fitting again for DF even 😛

[amber ravine]

Where you get that Botato

[tardy knot]

Cos I have no originality

[plush tendon]

Jealous of the flail -_-

[astral crystal]

how do you do fellow warriors

enjoy my beard/belt clipping

[oak echo]

https://warcraft-secrets.com/guides/warrior-hidden-artifacts-appearances-and-effects prot is at the bottom

[tardy knot]

You wanna see some clipping?

[astral crystal]

those shoulders devouring that poor shield

[tardy knot]

nom nom nom

[sick sentinel]

haven't played s4 yet, what's our go-to-stat or seasonal affix?

[ionic fern]

H

A

s

t

e

Or if you big you got crit.

[jagged pier]

C

R

I

T

[sick sentinel]

much appreciated 🙂

[ionic fern]

I got you Jakey.

[jagged pier]

i liked the catjam in the middle but ither way

[ionic fern]

😦

[blazing condor]

unappreciated mod work

sadge

[plush tendon]

Versatility, cause you keep on forgetting to set it to something else

[jagged pier]

[karmic plinth]

did condemn always have a CD for protection or did they break it in the prepatch

[ionic fern]

HAHAHA.

No, it diddn't have a CD.

I love prepatches.

[karmic plinth]

outstanding work

[tardy knot]

So with Seismic Reverberation, do you ever use WW or is that trolling?

[grave crane]

why use WW when it procs off revenge as well?

[jagged pier]

u aint ever gunna use WW

[tardy knot]

That's what I was assuming, but wanted to check incase the damage is like insane in certain situations

[karmic plinth]

use it for style points

[plush wave]

Man, even if numbers go in the dumpster, prot is just straight fun

[severe hatch]

Flex on the lesser classes by not even using your good abilities

[grave crane]

i would say look at the damage of ww and the damage of revenge and compare what damage amps we have for both. and youll see

[severe hatch]

Slam, whirlwind, rend build let's go

[plush tendon]

talent into rend, not even on my bar

[karmic plinth]

spin to win

[cursive root]

hey, execute hit like a wet noddle right now ?

[plush tendon]

thanks Thunderclap

[tardy knot]

My friend, you see this leaf next to my name? I am new to this discord, which means I've just joined on a whim after prepatch to scavenge some builds. If you think my demographic is going to do any thinking then you are sorely mistaken 😝

[jagged pier]

yep

that what it does

[strong forum]

They nerfed execute by 40%

[delicate sluice]

any talent tree yet?

here

[strong forum]

5 even

[ionic fern]

Great.
Fresh minds that i can mess with and you need to listen to me because i'm a colored name which instantly means i know things.
-Always use WW
-IP is your primary mitigation tool
-Never use Shield Slam, only use Slam
Welcome to the discord.

[cursive root]

holy shit

[grave crane]

the best way for you to learn is to ask questions and to go and see for yourself bud we can tell you all the information but the best path to learning is figuring stuff out for yourself

[jagged pier]

[tardy knot]

Thanks haha, I'm mostly joking but appreciate the positivity

[tardy knot]

🤔 I see, I see... Thanks for the sound advice

[swift pilot]

for half a second i was rerading this like what in gods green earth has been let into this discord

[severe hatch]

Brown is a color, listen to me!

[mellow quartz]

He should pin it

[ionic fern]

I've been unleashed.

[flat jackal]

Prot warrior feels a little similar to bfa warrior now

Faster paced

[tardy knot]

I'm not gonna lie I've not done a lot of tanking and the point about IP has got me legit questioning things

[jagged pier]

your missing like a few buttons still tho

thanks to not being 70

[ionic fern]

Don't.

[plush tendon]

Yea, 70 prot warrior is a blast 😄

[jagged pier]

[flat jackal]

Yeah, but I meant as is now the core rotation for the most part reminds me of the good ol’ glory days hah

Obviously it’s not complete but still

[woeful harbor]

stance dance is back ? -.-

[flat jackal]

Is there something that reduces shield block CD? I feel like I get shield block back so fast. I sometimes sit at 28 sec shield block duration and have one charge

[jagged pier]

no

if your not safe be in dstance

if u are be in bstance

[ionic fern]

No.
Reprisal/ED/HR/Bolster tho. Depending on what you have.

We are overloaded currently.

[plush tendon]

theres a lot of ways to get SB

[flat jackal]

I just followed the build from the pin

[plush tendon]

honestly, feel like the idea is we should be at 100% uptime on SB

[jagged pier]

yer so even that is overloaded

because it gives u more block than u need

[mellow quartz]

Tbh I still like running bulwark at 60.

[tardy knot]

And if you aren't totally sure then don't be in either, right?

[jagged pier]

in DF your probs not taking bolster

ED and HR are enough

[jagged pier]

then be in dstance

[plush tendon]

yea, ED and HR are more then enough

[woeful harbor]

but with cds on ht in bstance max out my dmg ?

[flat jackal]

None of those mean anything to me. I admit I’ve taken a long break from wow

Of about a month

[jagged pier]

your really over thinking stances

[oblique garnet]

Legit just switch to battlestance and then remove it from your bars

[weary dagger]

in prepatch you're already unkillable with 40s cd shieldwall, reprisal and unlimited shield block so just go bstance

[oblique garnet]

Atleast in SL

[mellow quartz]

Heavy repercussions and enduring defenses (2 talents)

[woeful harbor]

i hate stances but i will max out the prot

[flat jackal]

Ooooh

[ionic fern]

Don't even think about stances.

They are there for the cool visuals when you pop one.

[plush tendon]

Best way to think about bstance; much like how we have WW and Slam in our spellbook, its there if you really want to use it

[modern brook]

@strong forum why are u gaslighting me with this ravager build in pins

[sick sentinel]

3% crit feels underwhelming being in battle stance

[strong forum]

I'll play it

Cuz it's phat dam

[flat jackal]

10% damage too technically no?

[woeful harbor]

yeah but dstance is 10% less dmg

[modern brook]

IT WAS MY SUGGESTION 😠 😦 and i got yelled at for " no ndom is trolling xd"

[ionic fern]

It's more the "not reduced damage from Defensive stance".

[sick sentinel]

Yes

True

[plush tendon]

20%

I thought

[last yew]

id rather stay inDstance and pull more mobs tbh but i like the lazy approach

[tardy knot]

20% less taken, 10% less done in Dstance

[pallid quiver]

20% less damage taken, 10% less dealt

[flat jackal]

I think it might be good to change stance in raid when you’re off tanking

Can they bring back gladiator pls? Ty

[mellow quartz]

Just think of dstance as tanking a key 2 levels higher.

[plush tendon]

until you forget to turn it on after you taunt

or maybe you just macro dstance to taunt

[last yew]

yea raid for sure

[amber ravine]

I just got one of the hidden artifact abilities, it shows under apperances, but cant tmog into it, anyone run into this before?

got it, simple relog fixed it...lol

[plush tendon]

try relogging. If that dont work, bring your artifact wep to your class hall and look at the artifact forgey thing

[vernal vale]

They killed that dream when they dropped shield charge in how they did

[amber ravine]

Thanks August

[vernal vale]

Obligatory meme

[plush tendon]

I still think we should have gotten a talent to let us wield a 2h

[flat jackal]

Then they need to give us titan’s grip with shield ty

[plush tendon]

but thats just me

[crimson quarry]

How many talent points do we have at 60 ?

[vernal vale]

Seriously 40% how am I supposed to insult my dps in execute phase now.

[jagged pier]

u just use SS it does more damage

[plush tendon]

theres like 3 talents that interact with execute

dont know how good they are though

[jagged pier]

they arent good at all

cause it hits like a wet noodle

[plush tendon]

oooof unlucky

[mellow quartz]

25/26

[jagged pier]

so the 100% uptime build does more damage

[fluid shard]

after playing for a while on Beta, sure feels a bit stale playing without Shield Charge, Thunderous Roar, Ravager and Shockwave lol

[wild hemlock]

i already deleted reprisal hehe

[mellow quartz]

You can just keep playing beta

[open gazelle]

How tf do you change the size of your map and bags

[plush tendon]

I cant even think about my SL legos.... all the gold spent....

[vernal vale]

I mean yeah doesn't mean I won't miss the fat execute damage.

[mortal brook]

with an addon

[plush tendon]

the new UI is pretty good, but theres still a number of things they need to address

minimap, cast bars, moving interfaces, and micro bar are the ones that come to mind

[jagged pier]

target of target

target buffs and debuffs

[plush tendon]

I use plater for most buffs and debuffs so not really a issue for me

it just doubles information on my screen

but yea, still some work to be done on the UI

[vernal vale]

Thankfully there is a macro to hide blizzard buffs if you have another tracker

[plush tendon]

I'm not a game developer, but I hope whoever designed the new UI made it robust enough to make relatively easy edits to the options

more options, happier players 🙂

[molten ruin]

It looks like the Edit UI of SWTOR

[vernal vale]

I turned off dominos for the first time since Wrath

So that's a start at least.

[plush tendon]

Im giving the new UI a honest try; if it really starts to bug me, I have my old UI saved

[red siren]

What do you think about war tank in pre patch ? He is good ?

[jagged pier]

its prepatch all tanks are good

cause tuning

[blazing condor]

i like this war guy

doesnt afraid of anything

[strong forum]

Pwar is very strong, but all tanks are extremely strong currently

[lime palm]

Don't say shit like that. It attracts bears.

[strong forum]

Vdh is probably the strongest tank in pre-patch

[smoky wolf]

Which legendary/build are people finding most fun/strongest currently?

[jagged pier]

perfectly viable in prepatch and in DF tbh

they just play like garbage

as usual

[lime palm]

Damage is very low, too.

But yes they are plenty survivable.

[red siren]

Wich tank has the best damage currently ?

[plush tendon]

Paladin?

[lime palm]

Probably Brew.

[plush tendon]

but also makes your healer want to cry

[jagged pier]

brew, paladin,

[lime palm]

Vengeance, Pally, Warrior are all close.

[plush tendon]

health drops faster then a BDKs

Its still hard to tell what will be the 'meta' tank for season 1, but you got a 16% chance of being right, so play what you think plays well and itll probably be a good choice

[jagged pier]

meta

PLAy

WHAT

U

ENJOY

[vernal vale]

Meta is irrelevant always play what you most enjoy and beat flavor of the month players

[heavy hawk]

So seeing red still resets on 7 if you TC ?

[lime palm]

The only thing more annoying that people chasing the meta is people complaining about people chasing the meta.

[vernal vale]

Mastery of the spec will always be better than swapping every month and never fully understanding the spec you play

[rough solar]

If I demo shout after a dot is applied to me, will it still reduce the dmg or do I have to shout before it is applied?

[jagged pier]

its a bug that was fixed on beta

[heavy hawk]

well its happening to me on live 😦

[signal niche]

I am assuming the Prot War lego suggestion for pre-patch is solid?

[smoky wolf]

Which legendary/build are people finding most fun/strongest currently?

[jagged pier]

exactly it was fixed on beta not on live or PTR

[plush tendon]

You can try a lot of things; a lot of the good legos became talents (minus reprisal, but you can mimic it with other SB talents if you choose) so if you use lets say "The Wall" dont use the talent that does the exact same thing. The base build on Wowhead is a pretty good place to start, and they even have a tab that tells you which talents are necessary, great, good, and poop so you can make some personal choices from there.

[modern brook]

Beta build is ahead of prepatch :^)

[lyric elm]

guess we're about to be the godclass of DF s1

stack arms in raid for execute, prot in m+

[wild hemlock]

theyre only 10k right now

[plush tendon]

Wish that were the case 8 months ago

[drowsy ruin]

is there any prot builds that are nice?

[wild hemlock]

omg i cant wait to bust out my prot and veng tonight LETS GO

[steep condor]

@strong forum for your no shield spec ungabunga big dam build will you play kyrian? 🙂

[jagged pier]

necro

[jagged pier]

theres 5 in the pins

[spring trail]

how is everyone feeling about stand dancing again?

[jagged pier]

u dont stance dance

if your in toruble u use dstance otherwise your in bstance

so in prepatch more than likely youll be in bstance

for prog in DF and pushing keys

dstance

[spring trail]

good to know.

[mellow quartz]

For keys just think abt dstance as a 2 key level difference. If 25s are you limit for dying/damage intake in dstance then you would feel the same in a 23 in bstance.

[open gazelle]

okay we are way too fing strong

[mellow quartz]

Compared to what?

[jagged pier]

nope its prepatch tuning

[open gazelle]

i just soloed antros the world boss after 30 mins... soloed, meaning just myself

[willow valley]

does anyone know why my keybindings change when I went in a dungeon?

[mellow quartz]

Imagine prepatch balance meaning anything

[jagged pier]

for some reason ppl think it does

[west kayak]

Is anyone else not using Execute? SS seems to outdamage it by a lot.

[jagged pier]

u are still gunna execute on ST fights

but apart from that u aint

[mellow quartz]

From now on if people ask we should just recommend they use the blizzard approved starter builds.

[jagged pier]

no

[wild hemlock]

i used to execute in lik packs of 4-5 lmao. gonna miss it

[west kayak]

Even ST it looked like it was doing less... My team died on the Saberon boss in ID at 34%, I remained and solo'd it til its death. Never touched Execute at that time as I needed the Rage to survive it.

[jagged pier]

it doesnt even have SR @mellow quartz

[mellow quartz]

Then they will learn on their own what they are missing.

[jagged pier]

well ive been told today apprently ppl cant do that