protection

[oblique garnet]

Roses are shorter than daisies so in a field of them rose wouldnt be visible

[lusty grotto]

late when are we gonna get the NA gang back together

[limpid pawn]

trying to play with default ui - noticed nameplates do not show aggro status lol

[warm plinth]

You've never heard of a long stem rose?

[limpid pawn]

i'm guessing there's no way to color code this - any solutions other than to git gud

or play with less info

[oblique garnet]

Yeah download plater

[lusty grotto]

default plates?

lol yea

[warm plinth]

platerrrrrr

I am gonna give the default bars a shot though

[oblique garnet]

Never

[warm plinth]

ElvUI gets tiring to look at after a while

[lusty grotto]

fuck that, i instantly updated elv

[limpid pawn]

elv works?

[warm plinth]

I need to make it more prettier

[limpid pawn]

i turned elvui off in hopes of getting ultra good performance lol

[lusty grotto]

[oblique garnet]

NA dream is dead

[warm plinth]

:think:

[lusty grotto]

its kinda buggy tbh, at least tooltips

[warm plinth]

The amount of emojis this server doesn't have is an absolute travesty

[lusty grotto]

im coming to EU

[limber patrol]

Still feared of using elvui. They just got "finished" maybe some hours ago? And stated: "Done" is relative due to blizz messing up ui api

[lusty grotto]

true true

i mean the only things that ive seen are weird are the tooltips and the keys screen but idk

everything else works

[oblique garnet]

Idk but we would need to buy the expansion before

No im not doing anything in shitty sl zones ever again

[lusty grotto]

ill level to 60 in EU

just carry me to gear

[oblique garnet]

Isnt it now

[lusty grotto]

nah

[oak echo]

event is in 3 weeks along with evoker

[lusty grotto]

ill probably buy exp like a day before lmao

expansion release

im not forgiving blizzard

[oblique garnet]

@rich pendant gift me df and you have enha and a class of your choice 🤝

Aight bet

[frank hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/QqB9Xtw.png my groups shaman just got this from mechagon

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[south zealot]

opop

prot is op as fuck

[frank hemlock]

insane +20 loot

[last pebble]

my damage feels kinda bad, is it because im kyrian? should i switch back to necro?

[lusty grotto]

yes

i wonder why people are switching off to kyrian lmao

[last pebble]

wowhead said we could lol

[ornate thunder]

Are we just dumping into ww with the Lego

[lusty grotto]

oh wowhead

[lusty grotto]

???

[south zealot]

never whirlwind

[lusty grotto]

what

[ornate thunder]

Rage whirlwind with seis

[lusty grotto]

did you say ww as in whirlwind

what makes you think that we're putting it back on our bars

[last pebble]

you know it also works with revenge?

[ornate thunder]

I did not, ty

[lusty grotto]

oh...

maybe looking at it with the wrong spec?

[ornate thunder]

Yeah, I was in fury

[lusty grotto]

ah ok it makes sense now

[ornate thunder]

Just crafted it quick when I logged on

Glad I got the blank Lego yesterday, prices are through the roof

[dreamy wedge]

"Looks at post-patch execute damage":

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[merry cave]

Do leggos even matter atm?, pretty much no new content right

[last pebble]

yeah glad its not just me

[lusty grotto]

not really

[ornate thunder]

They still work atm

[last pebble]

execute feels like a wet noodle ot me

[lusty grotto]

they work so people are using them yea

but if youre simply leveling, shrug

or fresh 60 i guess

[south zealot]

the block on damage talent

did about 700k (3.5%) in a 17 streets

[lusty grotto]

sounds about accurate

[oblique garnet]

Isnt seismic talent in df

[lusty grotto]

streets has casters

it is

but it opens up a talent point

[south zealot]

seems like a pretty good talent right

[oblique garnet]

So how does it work with the legendary

If you have both

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

you just dont pick the talent

[oblique garnet]

Are you sure

[lusty grotto]

yea

[oblique garnet]

100%?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Ah so no fun allowed

[south zealot]

op buildc

build

[lusty grotto]

yeah im running something similar

[south zealot]

i was using indomitable

[lusty grotto]

but waiting on buds to log on for 25s

[south zealot]

but im just not taking damage

in higher keys maybe bc im just doign 18s ish

[late notch]

22 key here, still no damage

[lusty grotto]

will probably have to wait until tomorrow cause its late EST

[lusty bobcat]

so how long did the patch end up taking?

[lusty grotto]

idk i just logged on cause i was raiding in xiv

[lusty bobcat]

EU here, trying to figure out when it's going to be un-borked today

[distant crater]

still down in eu, been 3 hours

[lusty grotto]

10pm est?

i think

it got extended by 3 hours NA

im not sure if thats going to be the case for EU

[lusty bobcat]

nah, NA always does the beta duty

for which we are very grateful

[lusty grotto]

well they have shit to fix still

[lusty bobcat]

would seem so

[oblique garnet]

NA beta duty only ended like 3-4 hours ago

[sharp abyss]

did blood and thunder always add rend to your primary target

[lusty grotto]

BnT adds rend to everything that Tclap hits

[lusty bobcat]

after a recent beta change, yes

you take rend, but basically never put it on your bars

[sharp abyss]

yea the way the tooltip readi thought i still had to use rend first

[lusty grotto]

but only if you have rend talented

no need to use it or have it on bars

[mighty valley]

Hey what's up gang

[lusty bobcat]

no, they removed that, thankfully. HUGE QoL change

[south zealot]

lot of conduits are dumb

[sharp abyss]

alright wanted to be sure because im a fury main just dabbling in some of my off specs

wanted to check incase it was bugged

[lusty bobcat]

TC with blood and thunder works exactly like you want it to

[limber patrol]

Well...just curious: How about a big/full shockwave build? With talents and conduits we can bring down shockwave to 30 sec baseline + 15 sec cdr when hitting at least 3 targets...sounds pretty broken? But would mean to give up on avatar

[lusty grotto]

diminishing returns

idk i guess it could work for pvp

[lusty bobcat]

if new mobs come into the fold without rend, it prioritises those - otherwise it refreshes the oldest rends

very very nice

[limber patrol]

Think only about damage portion. I know this would completly kill cc xd

[lusty grotto]

i dont think the damage is comparable to anything else

but feel free to test it out

[south zealot]

yeah feel free to test it

i personally dont see it beating avatar

[lusty grotto]

i mean it could but you cant do cdr

you'd have to go sonic boom

[urban portal]

the damage is not good

[lusty grotto]

maybe

[urban portal]

shockwave talents arent a dps up

they are implemented so you feel less bad about taking shockwave

[south zealot]

maybe thunderous words is good with a bleed build

but i still dont feel like it would od more than avatar

[lusty grotto]

or i guess you can pick both idk

[rich pendant]

[mighty valley]

Ok the conduits just seem to be visual tooltip bugs, getting the bigger effect

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

[oblique garnet]

Smh put that dawn gold to good use

[lusty grotto]

hello Mwahi you beatiful person

[ionic fern]

Hello.

I can finally change it.

From "10.0 waiting room" to "11.0 waiting room".

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

you know the funniest thing ive found is

transmogs are marked on the minimap

so you can just mount up and do circles around oribos and people will see you on their minimap if they have that on

which apparently it is on by default

[warm socket]

So I don’t know how beneficial this will be, if any yet. But using a macro to charge and titanic throw is one of the coolest looking things I have seen. (Really hope it’s worth the talent points)

[ionic fern]

Sounds amazing.
It's not.

But go for it.

[warm socket]

😭

[lusty grotto]

nows the time to experiment!

[ionic fern]

^

Honestly, play around with what ever you enjoy.

Prepatch is just experimenting new things.

[warm socket]

Lol but it does look cool. And looking cool is like 90% of this game right?

[ionic fern]

The down-side to the throws is that it has a minimum range.

So you would not get good value out of it in m+ dungeons and raids.

Due to that requirement.

[lusty grotto]

now im just following other icons

[ionic fern]

In open world, go ham.

[ionic fern]

Totally agreed.

[warm socket]

True but so does charge.

[urban portal]

the opportunity cost of titanic throw is not as high anymore

so its doable

[lusty grotto]

great idea

[ionic fern]

Yes, but you Charge INTO the new pack.
With Heroic/Titanic Throw you need to constantly use it as a active DPS ability in order to justify the points spent. We have so many other great nodes.

[urban portal]

it really competes with BSC

and that got nerfed HARD

[urban portal]

wait thats imporved heroic throw

titanic throw competes with utility

[ionic fern]

Titanic Throw is on the class tree.

[urban portal]

yeah

same icon

got it confused

anyways you can either drop storm bolt for titanic throw

if you are into that

[warm socket]

I get that and agree with the dps loss if you’re not using it all the time. Maybe I’ll just play with it in lower keys.

[urban portal]

I really don’t think titanic throw is as bad as you say it is mwahi

It’s meant for snap threat

And it competes with mostly utility

[warm socket]

Lol, someone smarter than me test it.

[urban portal]

It’s still not going to do big dam

They nerfed it

[ionic fern]

It's not BAD.
It's just not worth the hassle. On top if it, the damage is coming form the IMproved Heroic Throw from the class tree.
Depending on the key level you can honestly run w/e.

So the "normal" damage is w/e.

[warm socket]

Even with all the bleed dmg increases ?

[ionic fern]

We have enough Snap burst threat already.

[sick sentinel]

its not worth getting atm

[urban portal]

Why would bleed do anything

[warm socket]

I’m trying hard to make a bleed focused prot build

[sick sentinel]

the bleed damage increase

[urban portal]

That’s improved heroic throw

Also bleed focus prot works fine without the throws

[sick sentinel]

no revenge and thunderclap my man

[ionic fern]

Titanic throw + Improved Heroic Throw was SUPER was on PTR/Beta. But playing around it realistically...ugh.

[urban portal]

You charge tc revenge

Bleed is applied

[sick sentinel]

bleed is not that big of a deal

[urban portal]

There’s nothing to focus on

It’s entirely passive damage

[warm socket]

Yea the titanic replaced the improved and applied bleed to all targets

[urban portal]

I’m fairly sure that’s not the case

[warm socket]

I did it

[urban portal]

You need improved heroic for it to bleed

[ionic fern]

^

[urban portal]

Did you get rid of improved heroic

[warm socket]

Titanic put bleeds on 5 targets

[urban portal]

So JUST titanic

[ionic fern]

Also..you will bleed them regardless with your first Revenge.

[warm socket]

With the improved talent too

[sick sentinel]

bro improve heroic maybe good qol but adding bleed on top of it is just silly

waste of a point

[urban portal]

Yes improved is what gives the bleed

[urban portal]

Titanic gives the aoe

Titanic doesn’t bleed without improve

[sick sentinel]

ok titanic is good qol

improve is silly

[ionic fern]

And again..you will bleed them with your first Revenge..

[urban portal]

They stack

[warm socket]

I know it’s not going meta, just asking other’s opinions

[ionic fern]

So it's literally wasted unless you farm old content.

[urban portal]

Do you understand what we are even trying to say

[lusty grotto]

there might be some language barrier issues

but i could be wrong

[warm socket]

I do. The bleed will come passively from other more used abilities. And the used of class and spec talent points won’t be worth it

[ionic fern]

If you want a bleed focused build you would go:
Thunderous Roar
Thunderous Words
Rend
Bloodsurge
Bloodborne

[urban portal]

Ok you don’t

[ionic fern]

The first 4 are the "default" picks regardless.

[lusty grotto]

oh i thought you guys were talking with the other guy

[urban portal]

I’m taking to horr

Trying to explain the difference between improved vs titanic

Either way mwahi is right

[lusty grotto]

yea

[urban portal]

4 of those are already default picks

You don’t “focus on bleeds”

It’s already meta

[bitter mauve]

what leggo should we be rocking

[ionic fern]

Seismic or Reprisal.
Adjust talents accordingly.

I'd default to Seismic personally.

[bitter mauve]

seismic is in build do they stack

[ionic fern]

No.

[warm socket]

I really wish my internet wasn’t shit right now so I could be in game while talking about this. I could have sworn that when you picked improved heroic throw and titanic throw. The titanic gained all of the improved bonuses as well

[ionic fern]

Hense "Adjust talents accordingly"

Use the point elsewhere.

[ionic fern]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

what build are you looking at? there's a few in the pins

[ionic fern]

Okay, so.

[lusty grotto]

pins builds under seismic leggo shouldnt have seismic talented

[ionic fern]

Titanic Throw REPLACES Heroic Throw.
Improved Heroic Throw INCREASES the damage of Heroic Throw AND makes it apply a bleed.

Since Titanic Throw Replaces Heroic Throw it gains the value of Improved Heroic Throw.

[sick sentinel]

yea but

all of these doesnt matter

nobodys wasting one point so the throw applies bleed

[ionic fern]

Not for the bleed purpose, no.

Only for the damage if they wanted.

[sick sentinel]

why would anyone want that...

[ionic fern]

Is it optimal? - No.
Can people play what they want? - Heck jeah.

Go ham.

[warm socket]

Was also hoping the threat from titanic would help make it worth it

[ionic fern]

Threat is a non issue. 🙂

[urban portal]

It would be cool if they didn’t buff the crap out of tank threat

[ionic fern]

If the class is played properly.

[warm socket]

Fair

[sick sentinel]

i mean its a spell you use once every pull, on average maybe even less

its not gonna change anything except youre down a talent point

[ionic fern]

Or do what i did on PTR/Beta and kite the hell out of enemies while throwin weapons at them for fun.

[sand pebble]

Charge thunder clap - you do that much aoe threat you can run to next pack and dps doesnt pull threat

[ionic fern]

Again..i'm not saying it's optimal..what i am saying is that people can run what they want. 😄
It's a game after all.

[sand pebble]

If they pop cds and hit things before you do, then yiu might have issues

[warm socket]

Just wanted to see other’s opinion. Lol if I gave in at the first “it’s not worth it”, not really much of a discussion. 👍🏻

[lusty grotto]

[ionic fern]

Having fun is worth a ton.

[urban portal]

Ranged warrior got nerfed too hard

[ionic fern]

But yes, from a damage PoV, not worth it.

[sand pebble]

I miss shockwave though

[lusty grotto]

[sick sentinel]

yea that being my portals gonna be on cd until i finish the next key

[warm socket]

Ok well enjoyed the chat but I’m off to bed. Good luck killing things!

[limber patrol]

While us waited 3 hours longer eu went up 3 houra earlier

[ionic fern]

Jeah, it's what we get for being ignored on the forums.

[mighty valley]

Worked out for me, just meant I actually focused on work for the day

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Good morning, Ghash.
Excited for prepatch?

[warm plinth]

I am looking forward to getting to check it out. I was hoping the xp scaling was gonna come in today but no big deal

[lusty grotto]

man my roomba starts up when the power goes out and drives me fucking crazy

[ionic fern]

I don't even have anything to level. 😦

[limpid kite]

Morning fellow clappers!

[warm plinth]

I still got uh, 3? toons

[ionic fern]

You leveling them all?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 36/36

[ionic fern]

👀

[warm plinth]

And then gotta do evoker but that'll be easy since they start at 58

[ionic fern]

I'm at like..eee...5 60's?

[lusty grotto]

lol ghash

[warm plinth]

hm?

[rich pendant]

I most likely have to loan a lot of gold to guild, Im very poor soon

[lusty grotto]

i was wondering why yogi was doing it, but youre crazy

[warm plinth]

I think Yogi is closer to done than I am

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[ionic fern]

But why

Are you actually playing all of them?

Gearing them?

Doing dailies?

[warm plinth]

can't even fit the whole list in an easy-to-view screenshot anymore

I'll gear some of them I'm sure. If there's something easy I can do for gold, I'll probably do that

But once I get them all to 70, it'll basically just be maintenance from there

[lusty grotto]

so my 1 was intervene

and it feels kinda eh to have it empty but i guess SC will go there

gonna have to live with it until exp comes out i guess

[sick sentinel]

so um

is prot getting nerfed cuz feels kinda dirty playing it

[quiet crane]

It does feel dirty, but the other tanks are in a good place if they do it won’t be neefed to a point it’ll matter

Nerfed

And pre patch is shenanigans. Most crap is gunna be out of whack with the legendaries conduits power from previous expac and the upfront power of DF

[rich helm]

is the talent tree on wowhead right? some talents seem on the wrong place

[oblique garnet]

[south zealot]

LOOK PINS

sorry for caps

[lusty grotto]

i think he means that wowheads talent tool is not the same as in game

[south zealot]

oh

idk

[lusty grotto]

and hes not wrong

cause sidearm isnt where its supposed to be

swapped with barbaric training

but the rest should be right

[paper coral]

Question about the pinned builds. the necrolord cov, thats ideally for people with Tier, right? so if we dont have tier, we go something else?

[lusty grotto]

no we still go necro

[south zealot]

tier is gone

anyway

[lusty grotto]

cause we technically have tier with the talent

[paper coral]

Oh, is it? ok.

[lusty grotto]

that's the tier effect

and even then we still go necro

[south zealot]

junkyard

[paper coral]

Oh. ok. I'm new back to retail, so I never got it lol

I just gotta get that seismic reverb legendary and i'm gucci

[south zealot]

execute can do more but i just dont see a point in pressing it

does max 20k crits

revenge thunderclap spam in avatar is so much damage

[wary heath]

is this with bloodborne ?

[strong forum]

You don't play bloodborne

Or well, shouldn't play

[wary heath]

wouldn't it add 10% dmg to deep wounds + rend ?

[strong forum]

Then you'd get a massive 1.6%

[vivid orchid]

heres a bug: using shield charge while charging eats the shield charge with a no path available. SC will go on cd with no effect

[strong forum]

Meanwhile tough as nails did 2.8%

[wary heath]

math wins out

[oblique garnet]

Smh not even topping

[strong forum]

Ya that's present on beta too

[vivid orchid]

I somehow only just noticed it

[strong forum]

You can't overwrite charge

[south zealot]

i was until final boss but i fucked up and used 2 outburts on tc during burn

[rich pendant]

@oblique garnet Hello, which build should I play now? I have the wall crafted on shoulders and I really like to play venthyr. I heard from @brazen trail that I might be trolling myself playing venthyr right know, but I really like vampires! I just checked the wowhead guide, but would appreaciate your two cents. Lol I use to play your routes in BFA, I know you know the real shit around here, all hidden techs which arent public yet. Appreciate you taking the time to answer to me, hope to see you grinding in DF!

[south zealot]

if you like playing venthyr play it

its not optimal but just have fun with the game

[brazen trail]

answer is yes

[oblique garnet]

Send it

[paper coral]

ok, am I dumb? how do I change Sidearm into Barbaric training?

[south zealot]

necrolord is much better than venthyr especially with execute being bad

[south zealot]

you dont

on wowhead its slightly different then live

[lusty grotto]

wowhead's is wrong on that regard

[paper coral]

oh. ok

[south zealot]

barbaric training is on the far right with concussive blows

[lusty grotto]

barbaric was swapped with sidearm

[south zealot]

sidearm is on its own

[vivid orchid]

its correct on beta

[strong forum]

Not entirely wrong, ptr and beta use 2 diff builds

[oblique garnet]

Venthyr and then you take the soulbind where you get 2 teles so you can kite away better @rich pendant

[lusty grotto]

there you go

[south zealot]

[strong forum]

And they weren't sure which build would go live

[paper coral]

gotcha, so I DO get barbaric in its new location and dont get sidearm and I'm good

[south zealot]

whats the actual % chance on bloodsurge

does anyone know

[strong forum]

Yes

[rich pendant]

Thanks bro, I'll try that out on our next reclear. Hopefully the melee bros can keep up with the boss!

[strong forum]

15%

Per bleed, no icd

[south zealot]

thats hella high lmfao

i was wondering why it was so fucking easy to keep banner up

[oblique garnet]

Position yourself so you can venthyr tele into warlock gateway into leap and another venthyr tele

[south zealot]

got up to 1:30 on my duration before i just decided to pop banner for moremastery

[wary heath]

if you thunder clap on a group that's already been thunder clapped, does it cancel and refresh rend damage, or just add new bleeds to existing bleeds

[strong forum]

Refresh

[south zealot]

it refreshes on thsoe who have it

and applies it to those who dont

i think it applies before it refreshes in terms of priority

[wary heath]

so it's better to revenge then to thunder clap a 2nd time

[rich pendant]

Man you are so smart, literally 0 damage taken right there. Can I share this with my warrior pals, or is this only for the "inner circle" still?

[south zealot]

should be spamming tclap imo

atleast in aoe

[oblique garnet]

Ofc man

[south zealot]

in avatar i just spam revenge > tclap > revenge > tclap repeat

[open gazelle]

well my thought so far are tank as fuck, shield block uptime 100%, dont lack rage with unstoppable force/bleed rage build. cons: i miss 45 sec ravager, also does SB cost more rage now? could have sworn it was only 20 rage before but idk

[south zealot]

its been 30

[paper coral]

So, I was kyrian for.. most of mytime as a warrior. how do I switch to necrolord now?

[strong forum]

SB was always 30

[lusty grotto]

talk to the guy in oribos

[south zealot]

healing meters

[strong forum]

Get 80 renown, then talk to the guy in oribos

[south zealot]

indomitable is for noobs

[open gazelle]

also i think our stamina got nerfed unless you took all stam talents

[south zealot]

yes

[mighty valley]

dear lord, only done one key but it really feels like close your eyes and press all your buttons and you'll be gucci

[south zealot]

im at 122k hp at 296

[south zealot]

yes very strong

[paper coral]

I'm at like.. 64 renown. why wait till 80, so I can switch back and forth without losing any?

[lusty grotto]

cause you can buy a 60 renown boost after you get 80

[mighty valley]

if you get to 80 you can buy an item that bumps you to 60 on another cov immediately

yeah

[lusty grotto]

just push kyrian to 80 doing ZM quest

[mighty valley]

nim's gotchu

[lusty grotto]

open zereth mortis, do story, you'll get 80 fast

[paper coral]

ok. cool. I'm still finishing chains of domination. I got flying like.. yesterday?

[lusty grotto]

then go back to oribos to the flight master, buy the book, swap, use book

[south zealot]

crazy how i feel invincible in battle stance

[paper coral]

Why do we swap stances? I must have missed that.

[open gazelle]

My talent build, basically build around rage gen and shield block uptime

[south zealot]

battle stance is more damage

[south zealot]

too much shield block uptime imo

[lusty grotto]

my dude have you heard of Windows Key + Shift + S and paste here?

[paper coral]

Is that a meme?

[south zealot]

use brace for impact. unnerving focus is already a conduit

no rend

[paper coral]

Do we hardcast rend now or does deepwounds count?

[south zealot]

thunderlcap is rend

never press rend as a button

[paper coral]

Sexy

[open gazelle]

Fuck rend 30 rage my ass

[strong forum]

You don't press rend.

You need to talent it however

[south zealot]

true gamers use this exact talent build

[strong forum]

The build tuna linked does 0 damage

[south zealot]

or 1/2 wild strikes insteadof endurance training

[strong forum]

This build is fine, but you won't have 100% SB uptime unless you play reprisal

[open gazelle]

@strong forum going with survivability this first week while every relearns goes to play

[south zealot]

yeah i use reprisal leggo

dont wanna switch

[open gazelle]

@strong forum I do have 100% SB uptime thanks to bolster

[lusty grotto]

read this carefully

[strong forum]

Yes you do, but idotbby doesn't

[south zealot]

could do a lil better

[open gazelle]

Oh WTF

[storm estuary]

whatre yall doing for overalls?

[sick sentinel]

bro theres no way they leave 100% sb uptime to launch right..right?

[storm estuary]

in keys

[open gazelle]

You don’t have to press rend???

Just have the talent??

[strong forum]

Yes

[wary heath]

i spread rend manually to each target

[lusty grotto]

correct

[open gazelle]

Lmaooo

[paper coral]

What should I put seismic on, or does it not really matter?

[lusty grotto]

i dont think it matters if you just subbed back

but most of us had reprisal on boots cause its the only slot so its probably going there

[sick sentinel]

wait how does conduit work with talent

[paper coral]

ok. I figure 225 boots are good enough

[sick sentinel]

do they stack

or overwrite

[strong forum]

Conduits don't stack

[paper coral]

lmao

[strong forum]

Talents overwrite legendaries and conduits

[paper coral]

somebody is pricegouging a little

[sick sentinel]

ok so what conduits are left then

[storm estuary]

has anyone done any 20+ keys yet? what did your overall look like

[south zealot]

yes

i did a 21 jy

about 27k

iirc

[open gazelle]

Do our legendaries still work?

[storm estuary]

what was it before zap dmg

[south zealot]

about 24-25k

[lusty grotto]

yes legendaries work, but they dont stack or double down with talents that have the same effect

[south zealot]

i got zap late

iirc

actually prolly like 23-24k

[open gazelle]

@lusty grotto so you need to talent into intercept to get reprisal?

[storm estuary]

just had a warrior in a 23 streets do 8.5k

maybe scuffed build?

[lusty grotto]

reprisal isnt in talent form

but you dont need it

[open gazelle]

Intervene is tho

[lusty grotto]

uh huh

[south zealot]

you dont need intervene

[lusty grotto]

reprisal works with charge

in case you forgot

[open gazelle]

I didn’t forget

We just lost one way to get reprisal buff tho

[frank hemlock]

fuck reprisal

[lusty grotto]

right, but you dont need reprisal to keep near perfect sb uptime

[frank hemlock]

the wall gang took over

[lusty grotto]

its great rage gains, thats about it

[open gazelle]

What happens to unity?

[lusty grotto]

nothing

[open gazelle]

Conq banner doesn’t exist anymore?

[frank hemlock]

its still unity

unless you playing kyrian its still there

[lusty grotto]

what makes you think that

[south zealot]

it wont in dragonflgith

we still have in prepatch

[smoky pike]

I see alot of guids using tough as nails over talents like bloodborne or bolster. Is it rly that good?

[south zealot]

i use tough as nailsand bloodborne

[old flame]

You don't need bolster

BB is like 1.2% damage per point?

Tough as nails is like 3-5

For 1 point

[south zealot]

oh wait

[paper coral]

Oh my god. i never unlocked runecarving

[south zealot]

i dont use bb

[paper coral]

what the crap

[smoky pike]

isnt Bolster rly good tho?

[south zealot]

overkill

[old flame]

You don't need it between HR And enduring and i think one other? I had no trouble maintaining on a dummy

[open gazelle]

Holy shot

[old flame]

Legit had something like 5s on the buff when SB was coming off cd

[open gazelle]

Our armor got buffed

69% damage reduction

Used to hover around 50%

[old flame]

That's actually less than it was at the start of beta, the feedback loop was a bit bonkers

[lusty grotto]

i mean the true measure will be giga pulls next week

for surv

idk why people keep mentioning being unkillable when its tyr week lmao

[atomic shore]

guys we should go necro or kyrian now ??

[lusty grotto]

i was unkillable tyr week before pre-patch

[old flame]

Necro

Unless you need to grind renown

[strong forum]

Pwar will be even more unkillable

[old flame]

Then stay where you are

[lusty grotto]

i dont doubt it

but their initial impression is mostly without taking tyrannical into consideration

im guessing our dmg will be even higher though

[strong forum]

Your block is 30% stronger than before

Then take bfi into the mix

And block is even stronger

[jagged pier]

and u get 100% for free

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not disagreeing

[strong forum]

Couple that with more self healing and 100% SB uptime

And if need be, defensive stance

[lusty grotto]

im just saying

people are coming in here saying stuff like that and they are just running 15s on tyrannical week

while it holds true that surv is ridiculously high, the perspective is skewed

[low kindle]

rage gen is actually insane now since we still have banner

[strong forum]

Yeah 15s are just lmao

[lusty grotto]

btw

any NA people in here that had game capped at 60fps for some reason?

or was it just me

i guess it defaulted to that

[south zealot]

IDK

idk

haventnoticed

[paper coral]

ikm at 144

[lusty grotto]

i instantly noticed

from 180fps to 60 is yikes

but yeah could have been my client

[paper coral]

as somebody fresh back, is there a trick to getting your first soul ash to unlock runecarver? lol

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

zereth mortis quartermaster sells a bag

[paper coral]

Oh yeah? is rep required for it?

[lusty grotto]

has all the previous currencies

i think it does but its low

[strong forum]

Unlocking rune carver comes with the quest

[lusty grotto]

you can probably get there with the weekly / story etc

[strong forum]

Which should lead you to torghast

And do some/a floor

[paper coral]

Yeah, i'm on Final Pieces and Whatever lese from him

[lusty grotto]

its been a while

[paper coral]

where I need X ash

[lusty grotto]

just run choreghast a few times

[open gazelle]

How are we not nerfed

Lol

A +21 felt like a walk in the park

Never sub 60% health

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah you need honored for it and cosmic flux

[strong forum]

Uhm 21s aren't hard m8

[open gazelle]

Never said they were

[strong forum]

Every tank laughs at those

[open gazelle]

But the damage intake was smoooooooth

[strong forum]

Always has been

[south zealot]

22 docks

[lusty grotto]

see what i mean

its tyrannical week

[south zealot]

highest shield block and banner ive ever personally had

[sand pebble]

Just did a wshop 15 my hp dropped after i tan through the flame cannon other wise it was at 95%+ entire run

[south zealot]

generally speaking prot shouldnt lose hp

if you lose hp you made a mistake

it was like this on shadowlands too

unless youre doing super high keys

[sand pebble]

Healer was bored

[lusty grotto]

why wasnt he dpsing?

[south zealot]

this was a ret btw it shows prot lol

[sand pebble]

He was

[lusty grotto]

well he will not be bored once DF hits lmao

[south zealot]

guys im ngl

u should use every outburst on tc if youre in aoe

you dont need the rage from shield slam

atleast as long as we have banner

[mighty valley]

bloodsurge rage income is straight up silly

[south zealot]

heavy reprecussions is all you need for shield block as well

[lusty grotto]

Nome do you plan on staying with the elvui profile?

or swapping to default?

[paper garden]

I swapped to default myself.

[lusty grotto]

its probably a good time for me to nuke my old UI and go with it

fuck default

[strong forum]

I ain't swapping

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

ok cool ill try to import tomorrow then

[south zealot]

i love how i can go maximum dps on every single talent except 1

and still have 100% shield block uptime

opop

[delicate kraken]

Can we not switch back to raid frames?

[south zealot]

you can

[delicate kraken]

Which section is that under?

[south zealot]

more settings here as well

options interface scroll all the wa down

[strong forum]

People who lose their shit with "elvui causes low fps" have no idea what they're talking about

[delicate kraken]

Thanks, The party frames just aint cutting it chief imma keep it 100%

[lusty grotto]

i saw a reddit thread with a lot of comments saying that lmao

was smh

and then i remembered i was on reddit xD

[delicate kraken]

For the mythic+ tree, what would I want to swap out for optional cc or berserk?

Also do we take double time just for the one hand buff?

[south zealot]

i do bc i use reprisal

[lusty grotto]

and wild strikes

[south zealot]

this is what i use

[lusty grotto]

and because we gotta go fast

[subtle prairie]

is it possible to hide the skillbar boxes that arent being used?

[south zealot]

i swapped fueled by violence to brutal vitality rho

[subtle prairie]

with the new ui

[delicate kraken]

Ah

yeah not having shockwave or intimidating shout feels weird lmao

[south zealot]

i take fear

[strong forum]

All but 1, yes

You can say "hide in combat" for all bars but action bar 1

But you can't just "hide" them

If yiu turn them off, you also turn off the buttons

[subtle prairie]

aight will just get used to them probs anyway

[delicate kraken]

I noticed you dont have pain and gain, Checked the healing its done in this key I did and its wasnt much so could probably drop that too

[lusty grotto]

you dont really need that much healing

[delicate kraken]

I picked up the build mythic+ from wowhead, Honestly felt like i was taking no dmg in the 15 so moving some things around

[south zealot]

if you wanna switch anything for healing just get indomitable

[lusty grotto]

try the ones that are pinned here instead

[south zealot]

you only need heavy reprecussions for 100% shield block

[delicate kraken]

Nah I was fine on healing, The issue was taking no dmg so felt like the excess heal wasnt needed. it was just a 15 so probably diffferent higher you go

Basically sat in battle stance the whole time

[south zealot]

once i do like 24s ill switch outburst to indomitable probably

[lusty grotto]

doubt youll need it

again its tyrannical week

but even in fort

gonna judge when i fight medivh in this 25 upper that i have lmao

[paper coral]

uh. haste and verse for missives, yeah?

[lusty grotto]

i doubt its gonna be hard with the IP spam and rage gain

[lusty grotto]

dont you dare say versa ever again

[mighty valley]

vers is fiiiiiiiiiiiine

[south zealot]

yes

[paper coral]

boo

[south zealot]

or haste crit

[mighty valley]

haste and your favorite other stat

[lusty grotto]

HASTE CRIT

oh well

it doesnt matter, that's only for a month anyway

[swift galleon]

hey @strong forum i recall reading u having made a functioning WA for violent outburst, do you mind sharing? 😄

[jagged pier]

just search his name in WAs

hes not self promoting anymore

[south zealot]

once tc outburstbug fix

[swift galleon]

fuck me

[south zealot]

so much better

having to track it without a weakaura so you don’t use at 7 is awkward

[swift galleon]

it didnt show results coz of a space i made after the search

[jagged pier]

it should be fixed

[south zealot]

the weakaura or the bug

[jagged pier]

the bug

[lusty grotto]

did they hotfix it?

[jagged pier]

well it was fixed in last raid testing

[lusty grotto]

oh

[jagged pier]

i just had to reload for it to track properly

[lusty grotto]

uhh

well its bugged in NA

not the WA

[shy gorge]

Is it maximum tanky kind of talents?

[south zealot]

the opposite

[ionic fern]

Seems to be the "default" more or less. Though i would put a point to Indom instead of Focused Vigor

[shy gorge]

Oh man))) ty for clarification)

[south zealot]

yes its very offensive

[ionic fern]

How?

🤔

[shy gorge]

Anyone have the link for maximum tanky talents?)

[ionic fern]

o.o

For m+?
Use the same build and put the point in Focused Vigor to Indom instead.

Go ham.

[south zealot]

pretty much the most offensive you can get

[strong forum]

The most offensive build is the one without shield spec I linked in pins

[ionic fern]

Though idk what legendary is being used.
Since Seismic is taken in talents meaning you won't be using Seismic Legendary..but you also don't have INtervene to min-max Reprisal.

[strong forum]

With shield charge + ravager

[ionic fern]

🤔

[south zealot]

fair

[south zealot]

using reprisal but no need for intervene

[ionic fern]

[south zealot]

you can use reprisal with that build and swap bounding stride for intervene

[tardy sequoia]

where to carve seismic reverb?

[mighty valley]

I just did feet again so I could swap them straight with reprisal and not have to get any new gear

[lusty grotto]

most of us are replacing reprisal so

boots

cause helm/shoulder not worth replacing

[tardy sequoia]

okie dokie

[lusty grotto]

bigger stats

also we have 304s or better there

[real thunder]

Is seismic reverb leggo broken? im hitting the 5 kyrian target dummies and my revenge does the same damage if i have the leggo on and if i dont have the leggo on

[shy gorge]

Could you please share em?)

[shy gorge]

Ty mate

[jagged pier]

no MWAHI your supposed to hit them with the

[ionic fern]

Hey

I only started being active again.

I'm still learning.

[jagged pier]

true

same really

on training course so porbs wont be active for a few more days

gl to u and nome

[ionic fern]

Naa.

I'm a blue name.
People don't ask me anything anymore.

They ask oranges.

My opinion is in-valid.

[strong forum]

Reverb makes revenge hit a 2nd time, not increase the dmg revenge does

[jagged pier]

true u do want to play spear in DF

thats just invalid

[strong forum]

Also make sure to not have the talent active, cuz talents overwrite legendaries and conduits

[jagged pier]

☝️

[ionic fern]

Watch me out DPS most people.

[jagged pier]

your gunna out dps me for sure i already know it

😂

[strong forum]

[warm plinth]

You mean like this orange?

[ionic fern]

Secret.

[jagged pier]

yer he doesnt show as orange tho

so doesnt count

[ionic fern]

^

Same as my blue powers diddn't count before since i was shown as Orange.

[jagged pier]

true true

[real thunder]

Thanks, this was the problem!

[patent osprey]

We are getting Nerfed. Enjoy pre-patch as long as you can. GN Warrior fam

Shits too broken 😛

[jagged pier]

well tbh if they just atually tune the other tanks and fix the bugs on them

we wont need a nerf

[patent osprey]

Theres no worry about dying anymore

no SB downtime

[jagged pier]

thats the direction they are going with all tanks

[patent osprey]

Double Shieldwall xD

[jagged pier]

they want more ppl to play them

[patent osprey]

I just pull everyting

and unless i hit a sleep puddle, aint really dying

[jagged pier]

its also pre patch plka

nothing is balanced correctly for it

ever

[patent osprey]

yeah, but devs will see pre-patch and nerf accordingly xD

thats why I say enjoy it now lol

[delicate kraken]

I felt this was gonna happen

Plowing through shit like im playing farming simulator

[ionic fern]

🔜

[oblique garnet]

[patent osprey]

the one hard thing was holding aggro from monks doing 200k burst

[ionic fern]

What.

There's a easy fix for that.

Don't invite monks.

[delicate kraken]

I just hope if any nerfs do come out they dont end up like 9.0

[jagged pier]

why?

we were fine in 9.0

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[strong forum]

All tanks are hugely powerful

[lusty grotto]

Actually I might be wrong on stat budgets. If helm and boots have the same budget it might be worth getting helm seismic due to free gem slot. Only if you don't have reprisal and spare boots

Correct me if I'm wrong there please guys

[jagged pier]

but my 4 set

[strong forum]

Also goes to show how starved pwar is

That the second you don't have to fight for your life

Everybody thinks its not allowed

[jagged pier]

☝️

all other tanks dont need to do it

so why should we have to

[lusty grotto]

I kinda agree with jakey

[ornate thunder]

It’s true

[shy gorge]

Are we using Slam and Whirlwind? Or just throw it out

[strong forum]

Both in the bin

[shy gorge]

Nice lol

[twilit gorge]

With blood and thunder, I don’t have to use rend yeah? Tc should just apply it right?

[strong forum]

Have to talent Rend but not press it, yes

[twilit gorge]

Perfect thanks

[jagged pier]

look for sure if u are good at warrior its very very busted how it is, but i bet there gunna be lots of ppl that still struggle. and bliz want more ppl to tank thats why they get mounts in wotlk (even tho i havent somehow yet) and making it easier. thing how hard it is to actually pick up prot compared to any other tank its pretty insane. I dont think they want it to be like that

[lusty grotto]

Yup

[strong forum]

Complained for 2 years that block uptime is shit

Then we get good uptime and people don't like it

Wtf man

[jagged pier]

☝️

also the skill gap of this class is just insane compared to other tanks

needs to be reduced

the changes make that possible

sure there still gunna be a gap but its gunna be smaller

[lusty grotto]

People that enjoyed the steep learning curve will always feel bad about it in a way. And pika isn't wrong in expecting a nerf, it's blizzard after all and that has been their modus operandi for years

[strong forum]

That being said, yes prot is hugely powerful right now

The only way to change a few things are:
Nerf the block value talents
Nerf vanguard
Nerf aura dmg

If you touch anything else, you ruin it

[sharp bone]

any reason to have rend on the bar at all then?

[jagged pier]

u touch some of them u ruin the choise node

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sharp bone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/994692054607208488/1007642211699138630/chatting.gif

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[sand pebble]

dont think fueled by violence talent is working

[strong forum]

Do you have the conduit

[sand pebble]

no

[strong forum]

Did you take damage

[sand pebble]

yes

not much but yes

[strong forum]

Well if its not much

Leech might take priority

Over fbv

[sand pebble]

true

[solid granite]

have fun with the patch you beautiful prot people

[sand pebble]

not even a single tick - picking bv instead

over 15+ wshop

[strong forum]

BV is also just outright better yes

[solid granite]

i reported fueled by violence to be 'bugged' on ptr a couple of times

cuz it do not work

[solemn hamlet]

Would nerfing vanguard to force us into def stance be a viable, albeit sucky, nerf?

[open gazelle]

I like brutal vitality better anyway

[strong forum]

In general, pwar is disgustingly sturdy vs phys dmg

Even more than before

Especially proven by a certain tank on beta

Who did 21/22

With only 30% SB uptime cuz "didn't need it"

[solemn hamlet]

Oh god we are repeating early legion arent we

[sand pebble]

didnt need it = code for couldnt press sb ogcd?

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum is this correct?

[strong forum]

Didn't need it = just bad at the game

[strong forum]

Nah

Too many talents at the top

Doesn't have 1h spec

Prot is alright, albeit a bit weird

[jagged pier]

no need for thunderlords as u dont have BV

just run SoF

[solid granite]

tbh, i'll drop Reprisal for anything else as soon as the patch is done downloading

[sand pebble]

rage gen is fucking insane rn

[solid granite]

Shield Charge > Reprisal leggo

[oblique garnet]

what the fuck is sof

say the name

[sand pebble]

where do i get the extra talent points from to pick sc+cb

[solid granite]

Shield of Frightousness

[solemn hamlet]

Inb4 rage gen nerf because of banner in pre-patch.. didnt specs in SL pre-patch get hit for stuff related to azerite?

[tender quartz]

Sorry to waltz in, most Discords have a Prepatch Talent Build pinned, am I blind or do we not have one yet?

[jagged pier]

show of force node next to thunderlords

[strong forum]

I'll whip up a build

[strong forum]

Defo blind

It's the pin with the 4 long links

[solid granite]

i dropped impr. shieldblock uptime & outburst.

[jagged pier]

no offence but u must be giga blind

[tender quartz]

Oh god thank you

Apologies 🤭 Yea I had to do this on 7 classes and had too much coffee

Sorry!

[strong forum]

You only get 5 talent points below the 3rd gate

Choose them wisely

[open gazelle]

Best do do 100% defensive/SB build to get your 30+ keys in before we get hit with a nerf before launch

[strong forum]

There are several builds that achieve that

[digital delta]

whats the point of getting 30+ keys besides score

[oblique garnet]

Thank you

[open gazelle]

The only point is score

[jagged pier]

theres no point even doing 30s or keys in prepatch

[open gazelle]

Tf

[jagged pier]

expect for fun

[jagged pier]

its prepatch things are not tuned correctly

and u dont know if we are gunna get nerfed for not so can everyone stop saying it will happen

[solid granite]

this is what i was playing thus far on ptr

[jagged pier]

we've already been nerfed 3 times dont forget

[sand pebble]

thunderlord no bv, no thank you but enjoy

[open gazelle]

@solid granite is crazy offense love it

[strong forum]

It's not

[jagged pier]

thats not

[strong forum]

It's less dps than a block build

[jagged pier]

execute is bad for damage now

[open gazelle]

No fucks given

[jagged pier]

he hasnt even got jugg

so its even more useless to go for execute talents

[strong forum]

The crazy offense build is the 2nd build I linked

With Ravager + shield charge

[solid granite]

yeah, if there's any possibility to drop the reprisal legendary, i'll do it

[jagged pier]

u can

u should

[sand pebble]

i like reprisal

[strong forum]

All my builds have 100% block uptime sharievan

[solid granite]

fuck that legendary

[jagged pier]

theres literally 0 need for rep anymore

u dont even need bolster for 100% HR and ED do it for u

[open gazelle]

I keep rep because it saves me 3 talent points

[strong forum]

Just test the ones I linked in pins, they should prove to be very successful offensively and defensively

Not the non plus ultra

But pretty good

[keen saddle]

Does someone has an idea why my weakaura show up in the middle of the screen aswell?

[oblique garnet]

big debuffs

disable addon

[solid granite]

i just hate the 8-25y range of charge. Why not make it 25y with no minimum instead

[jagged pier]

thats big debuffs i think

[keen saddle]

Dang it, never had that before, thanks buddies

[oblique garnet]

can you buy soul cinders somehow?

[sand pebble]

you can buy a bag of soul ash and cinders from zm

[sand pebble]

cant remember whats in it though

1-2 bags are enough

[oblique garnet]

ye 1 was enough

been a hot minute since i had to recraft legendaries

[sand pebble]

sell the old ones and you get the currency back

[oblique garnet]

wait

youre kidding me right?

thats a thing?

[sand pebble]

no

yes

[oblique garnet]

so i can get rid of all these useless things now?

[sand pebble]

https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/279176

yep

[wary plume]

ignore bugged tooltip but

seems good

[sand pebble]

im at 5789 giving 69.85% reduction - scales well also

[strong forum]

They introduced scrapping legendaries in 9.2 I think

[oblique garnet]

oh but its at the runecarver only or

[strong forum]

Ye

[robust quiver]

I couldn't test it yet and i didn't theorycraft it, but i've heard from people in beta that fully buffed revenge (all the buffing talents) is similar damage (if not better) than execute?

is it true?

[sand pebble]

yes

[robust quiver]

that's kinda sadge

[oblique garnet]

🤔 Isnt this kinda low hp

[strong forum]

I had closer to 140k hp iirc in SL

Did you pick indom?

[wary plume]

i have about this without indom

with you get a bit more

but i dont think you need it atm

we mitigate so much its comedy

[strong forum]

Ya that's my pre-df health

[oblique garnet]

ye thats what i thought

6k armor tho

[strong forum]

How much str

I have 2189 in SL

And iirc 5.4k armor

[cerulean swallow]

guys, im noob, how should I use the offensive/defenssive stances?

offensive on opening pack, and defensive on downtime?

[strong forum]

Up to you, depends on situation

If you aren't taking alot of dmg, just sit in battle stance

If you are, swap to defensive stance

[slim zinc]

pepecopter is at 2494 now

[strong forum]

Neat

[slim zinc]

and 6k something base armor

[strong forum]

I'll find out in 7hrs

Armory doesn't show armor

[cerulean swallow]

seems a nice strat haha, thank ❤️

[strong forum]

Stances are off-gcd with only 3sec CD

So you should swap accordingly if you wanna min-max

[storm shell]

is there a way to hide non speced talents from bars?

[torn sapphire]

what legendary are people rocking now?