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Well I mean alar does damage to everyone, including allies in melee right? Probably not ideal to accidentally kill someone else if it's for M+. Don't think warped fate does that.
And I only point that out because I've actually done that in DoS before, hehe...
That's why I call my melee to move close for intervene
Ideally, though, you shouldn't need alar.
Just use aegis as a pure def trinky
I think rn there is like 0? reasons to run a cheat on pwar
I can't think of any mechanics in m+ this season that hit hard enough and can't be mitigated with proper play to warrant losing a trinket slot to run a cheat death
u play cheat death bc it lets you make a mistake, you might only see a key 1-2 times a season, you typically don't need tank damage for most keys
If you are playing a key you see once or twice a season
You are too good to be asking whether you need cheat
if people wanna use cheat thats fine as long as they realise its sub optimal
And in those keys you see once or twice a season, tank damage definitely matters
You need to do a lot of damage as a tank to finish in time
And it’s not like we are running pure dam trinkets
Rdm/ows are still very strong defensively
actually, I think you play cheat death if you're pugging. it's not about you making mistakes its about your team imo, if they miss a kick on an enraged waterbolt from a fortified 27+ it's going to chunk you, and if you're full health with all mitigation up yeah you can take one, but if you get hit with a bunch of enraged melee at the same time (providing it's under the 100k cheat death cap) it saves you from bad teammates (or good teammates that made a mistake)
but unfortunately i've not got my hands on a cheat death trinket yet pogchamp xD
i've got 2.9 without one so far so it's definitely not necessary to get a decent rio in pugs, but I do want it just to try it
You pugging 27s you are kinda a chad
haha thanks
wtb team
I do think i'm starting to hit a limit with pugging though, for starters everyone wants a blood dk and i'm not sure I can convince people to come voice atm
Cheat death trinkets? Stinky
Either your need the cheat death for specific fights or cheeses, and yoy can't afford to have it proccd by some moron not playing the game and missing a kick
Or you don't need the trinket and it's a layer of protection against the American education system
Either way, take a dps trinket
cheat death can also save you on medivh in high tyrannical uppers, i've watched tatt die 4 times on medivh, one cheat death, one res, 2nd cheat death, then he dies again xD and tbf he ripped the key there (not necessarily his fault) but it was funny to think he got 2 extra deaths with the cheat death trinket
i play aegis and stun grenade, feels pretty good
Stun grenade has no mainstat right?
correct
I hate it 😠
yeah i don't like that part either
Lol
Yah I won't rag on nade. O think there are other better options, ows comes to mind. But like it works
OWS yeah for sure, but I don't have that yet (been slacking on raiding)
i have a 246 one 😎
If you work hard and say your prayers it might grow to 247
I have seen a Pig slip from a plain and fly
does that mean pigs can fly?
Maybe if said streamer didn't have 50% banner uptime he would have more rage... and maybe not die
not sure i understand your point
his point is if he played better he likely wouldnt have died
just because a cheat procced
yeah but you can actively use the cheat death in that scenario
the cheat is 100% for mana
not medivh
if you told me, I run cheat for mana
I would agree with you
i've not had the pleasure of fighting mana on high tyran to be fair
always fail at medivh
or sometimes curator
I agree with that, it's much harder for everyone than it is for me
but I do need missiles kicked if I don't have wall
well
and it can be awkard to maintain rage without any autoattacks
that requires pugs at 27
and positioning
to prob know what a kick rotation is
yeah i'm only speaking from experience in pugs, I don't have a team
what if I told you
someone in this discord
is mainting rage
without ever tanking?
and his banner barely drops
unless he gets to sleep back to back
😄 this feels like an inside joke i'm not part of
I'm sure pugs in 27 can understand a kick rotation
in a 27 upper maybe yeah
you dont need to understand the joke to know my point
is your point tattman is bad at banner uptime? he usually sits like 80-90% i think right? I'm about the same on good runs
the rage from getting hit isn't the make or break of banner/defensive stuff
he wish he had 80-90
he is like 50-60
i can really depend on the run though
like if you have a clean run with no deaths or major mistakes your banner uptime is usually really high
it doesn't for him
sounds like you have a bit of an issue with tatt
I barely even watch him, after him defending a trinket that shall not be named a while back
hahaha
well I might have to agree that codex isn't the play for prot warrior, however I do like tatt's stream and his routes/playstyle, i've learnt alot from him
does Goatsface stream?
I only watch 1 pwar, usually when I go to eat to see if they are depleting keys on my back
who's that?
pwar tc himself
are you a prot warrior?
nope
filthy dps?
hes worse than a bdk
but that doesnt mean he doesnt know what hes walking about when it comes to prot tbh
Hey hey
at least I need to pretend to push buttons to not die


hi guys, i wanted to know if by chance there is any guide or video that illustrates the basics of how to use warrior protection excluding all shadowlands systems but which is based more on the core of the class. since i have never tanked and in dragonflight i will want to do it i was wondering if there was any video for initiates like me, thanks for reading all the papyrus.
MarcelianOnline has made a good and basic prot warrior guide a while back
Not focusing too much on specifics, as you mentioned, just some core mechanics
Check out the Prot Warrior quick guide to learn tanking fast and start your adventures in dungeons and raids! This is a very compressed 9.2 prot warrior guide to get you going in no time but if you are interested in the full and detailed version of it, check the link below!
Full 9.2 Protection Warrior Guide👉 https://youtu.be/YZz_pVN3UuQ
🏆Becom...
Thank you man gonna check it out right now 🙏
I’m so worried cause all keeps telling me that warrior is so difficult to master and so easy to fail
In shadowlands yes, in Dragonflight it gets massively easier
the basics of any tank are the same in a way
press buttons - win
warriors just presses more buttons than the rest rn
guys, i'm trying prot warrior for a change, shield block has priority over ignore pain for survivability?
Yes
Shieldblock is uncapped mitigation on blockable attacks and abilities for 6 seconds, ignore pain is a finite 30k absorb
i am a bdk as of late with the 50% xp buff, only lasts another 2 to 3 levels then he will be ready
I posted in the wrong channel XD
seems like the buffed the hell out of LFD xp
i do 1 dungeon at lvl 51 2 3 4 6 7 and get 1 lvl, last time with the 50% xp it was taking like, 2-3 dungeons per
1 to 59, effectively 60, cuz you cant get xp at 60 retail
ive really enjoyed his channel during shadowlands
Je, @wild rampart an Co are good boyes.
❤️ learned all the prot shenanigans from @ionic fern @strong forum @jagged pier and the rest of the chadz
x3
❤️
Make thatx4 because I think the doge deserves chad status
Nah he sucks

if he sucks how did he get a crown. checkmate
The crown is for sucking so much
@chilly brook 
@modern brook 



Whats a decent uptime on banner?
100%
you should be able to keep it up forever so long as you're fighting
At bare minimum, 100% uptime in combat, which is the most important part, which is achievable in every dungeon with any set of affixes or anything you can think of
Is the general m+ build a strict recommendation? Or, is it just a suggestion that we can adjust a bit to our liking?
No adjusting besides bounding stride and crackling thunder
Generally, the only swappable parts are the Bounding Stride tier and whether you want Booming Voice or BSC, though the quality of life leads BV to be recommended more
Like, are bleeds and healing from deep wounds more significant than adding 30% of our damage to ignore pain? Or, should we actually focus on bleeds in the class and spec tree?
Oh wow
So strict
You're thinking df
In SL there is bar to none variety
Right
Df tree I still need to work on
I should've started with that lol
there's a channel for DF Prot, so instant assumption here was current SL
grab me a pint
Grabbing 2
ok lit
inb4 dragonflight talents get massively reworked as a part of their "small steps" so nome has to suffer again


@strong forumwhats your avg apm in a dung
In m+ it's like 87-90
ty
This mans is posting picture of ALCOHOL. He's supposed to be a beacon of purity and shining example
DW im sober
Nome u gotta chug em
just chug them so hard they go straight through the entire system in one go
just shoop straight through both intestines and out the body they go
Been trying to get lower Kara 20, the last one I need. Any tips for the attumen trash? Even if I do small pulls i always seem to die at least once with 295 ilvl. Should I go in a corner and try to sidestep the charges? My last 4 runs died in there cause people leave as soon as the tank dies once
Haha welcome to lower Kara
Not too far in a corner because you need room to sidestep when you have a few horses
Also I believe their “neigh” signifies the beginning of a charge cast
Can't decide if I hate it more on tyran or fort. Last week I failed upper about 5 times and one shot it today at least
Probably didn't help that i only tanked brain dead wrath HCs and naxx the last week
In America we call this a twoski
hey guys im a guardian main trying out prot. are you guys using ravager as snap threat when starting a pull or like using it right after spear of bastion for alot of dps?
The meta is Necrolord for permanent banner uptime
all the guides say kyrian and its cuz i was watching this prot warr do a 20JY and he was kyrian. he was doing a crap ton of damage so i got inspired to try it on my warr lol
wtf mandela effect i just checked again. thought it said kyrian. guess it was necrolord
im so dumb lol. thought using both spear and ravager felt clunky
I mean you can play it. But Necro banner is strong and also kinda fun to make sure you keep it up
thank you
so im not really getting how you can have perma conquerors banner. there's nothing here about spending rage extending it's duration
in the video, the guy is just dumping rage ferociously and the banner isbeing extended but nowhere in the tooltip does it say it works like that
glory legendary effect
im sitting here looking at my DH and wondering if i want to even lvl him
trouble deciding between Rdm/ Shard for dinar i feel like rdm is better?
rdm is generally going to have more use than shard will across the majority of key levels
shard starts to get better at really high keys, where rdm is just solid always
i hope this isnt a dumb question but how much would ilvl play into those bieng the best choice. it would be sitting at 278 for a bit but i have a 298 Rgd
it would replace the rgd
remind me what rgd is again? but ilvl wont matter too much
mechagon wheel 20 str
well thats gonna be up to you / can sim it. the rdm will be the tankier option, but id bet the other one does more dps, so its more what you are looking for in content
altho some people would just say drop the motorcycle so you cant ninja pull with it 
honestly between a normal RDM and the motorcycle i wouldnt be able to give you a straight answer which is better, if you get to a heroic RDM that’s obviously an easier choice
got rdm should i get the shard"? how high keys is it really better in
like 30s
okay cool im looking to do maybe some low 20s at most
is the goal but who the hell knows
i would say you will never need shard at that level
but if you have the dinar go for it
nothing like being able to test both yourself
cool cause id love to use my last dinar ona gavel
tank friend also has shard so he can pass if we get lucky but sounds like im set then
is there a haste cap for prot warriors?
youll start getting bad DRs after 40%, but more haste also goes hand in hand with the seasonal affix
generally tho 40% is a good cutoff if you need a number
bad enough to generally not want it imo
yea
some dps push past it but it all depednds
Well, going from 30% haste to 40% haste
You only lose 33 haste
That's 2 sockets
That's still well worth to push through if you gear is set up like that
you'd have to go pretty far out of your way to get really hurt by haste DR
still probably fine to gem for something else above 40%
it's all small beans at that point
"Necrotic was originally intended to be an affix that challenges tanks, but it’s become increasingly apparent that routing responsibilities already place tremendous pressure on tank players in Mythic+, so we’d like to try giving this affix a vacation."
I'm just glad it's gone cause all the tanks disappear on necrotic week
can you really blame them?
Maybe before it got nerfed 3 times
50 stacks in a pug still results in >tank dies >healer dies> wipe > angry dps leaves key
Because any tank/heal mechanic is a push week, but when its a dps mechanic its vacation time, but don't tell em that every affix is a dps affix or else they will all disappear
Huh
Don't really view anything as tank/heal/dps affixes. If it slows you down too much it's not a push week
Sanguine bolstering inspiring necrotic are all crap for timing high keys
Explosives - anyone can kill them but people tend to think its a healers job
Raging - Either focus prio targets or dps should help with slows/ccs/soothes
Bursting - Kill everything at the same time
Necrotic - help your tank with slows
Grievous - use defensives/health pots
Unless you are doing like 30s-32s, you can do 26s-28s virtually every week
Bolstering -kill everything at the same time, use tab to swap
BFA pre nerf bolster
never ever again will i play with that type of bolster enabled
Even now bolster tends to slow down a run by a lot. Can't always chain pull when you want to, and stopping aoe costs time
I've done some 30s on bad weeks, it's playable but way harder for sure
8.0 and probably 8.1, it was, even none elites, like those dock guys in siege, or the water droplets in shrine
that shit back then used to be permanent
Bolster isn't hard perse, but it just adds alot of time to your key
Sure enough, but most of the dps player base dont play around affixes, they see an add and they go pew pew
Lots of additional health to chew through
Yup, even if you play bolster well it's going to slow you down
The ultimate "halt stop nah you gotta slow it down" affix
So player perception on top of the affix design makes it harder to find people even on those weeks to play with
its not as scary now, it can be but there is no more tension about aggroing a second pack
I'd take skittish over bolstering or shades ngl
Nah
Some affixes just aren't enjoyable or fun to play around, not all players will want to deal with that
I think all 3 SL affixes are way worse than others
Maybe not even capable, depending on what player group we're talking about
agreed
evryweek is skittish if the tank plays poorly
the tornadoe one caused alot of headaches but most have adapted to it
I wish they'd add things that are directly related to each player rather than the whole team, season 2 ice captain is a good affix - you speed will randomly reduce itself up to a crawl for 3 secs / if you dont move after 5s you will root yourself for 5s / if you move when you have X thing on you, you will get a dispellable dot on you
Something like that
Storming is annoying and can cause wipes due to overlaps, but doesn't really slow you down, good affix for pushing
I remember @dawn canyon getting yeeted out of a flame wreath by storming
Tried to counter it with a bladestorm but was half a second late and started bladestorming in the air


I've had a similar thing happen to me on Kujo
:susge:
I hate storming
weekly affix in florida
10/10 I laughed and was wrong about u sucking
florida is a seasonal affix

kind of a random question, but i have a fully geared fury warrior and 2 dinars left. Since i want to try prot in DF and also level as prot, i am wondering if i should use the dinars to get a 1-hander and a shield to be able to play prot early in DF. If i want to do that, is there any sword and shield i should go for, or can i just go for transmog, since the gear will be outdated fast anyways?
and sorry, i was not sure if this is the right channel or the DF one lol
Transmog is forev3r
The one hander and shield ilvl will help sure but it's leveling gear so like who cares
Unless you're getting timed by the second for your level8n
i finally maintained more than 60 cpm in a dungeon and my banner uptime was 75% we love the little things

anyone know how to check what's agroing backup singers from way under opera on logs?
i cant find the names of all mobs down there on MDT
i know backup singer is one
is spectral patron another one?
ok so
flamestrike pulled them
err flame patch
so fire mage is a nono
if you wanna do zulgy that is
actually
it was ignite
ye olde ignite pulling random shit again
do devastate casts count towards bron?
haven't played with devastate or kyrian in a long long time, haha
yeah, i'm running devastator now, it just feels weird still lol
also yeah. i don't take fire mages to the trash past opera, the floors must be real thin
and i was curious if it could be used to get more burly boi uptime lol
once you get used to it you shouldn't have any empty GCDs where you want to press devastate anyway
my main thing is that autoattack turns off sometimes
so i'm learning to pay attention to that
mashing like, any button should fix that
unlike classic
where it's sometimes worth macroing auto attack into other buttons haha
ohhhh so even if it's on cd, hitting SS will do it?
unless there's an option to turn it off
i think it happens if i don't target swap before something dies, and everything is on cd
it's legit something i haven't thought about in years and years, so however they have it set up by default, it seems to work for me
you still hit whatever's alive... so it shouldnt toggle auto attack off
and at worst, right click
thanks, i'm slay, i've been sent here to be the village idiot for DF 😅
nim if we were village idiots they wouldn't need to send one
true and real
i don't know if they teach reading comprehension at beef ravioli school
bron uptime doesn't exactly do anything anyway
dude does 0 damage
nomer dopple ganger in LFD
is reprisal in Dragon flight?
no
It's reprisal but comes without the minimum range requirement and is only every 45sec
And currently quite bugged
so basically, no
Depends what you define by reprisal, I define it by getting sb+revenge+rage from a charge
So for me, reprisal still exists
311 weap would be the best ST dmg boost right?
Yes
k
@stuck sedge HAPPY BIRTHDAY
how do ya'll figure how big to pull when running "at ilvl" content with a pug healer/dps?
^
the dungeons this season dont offer a lot of varied "what to pull" questions
my instinct is to pull as big as i can without the healer's mana bar moving.... but that's tiny damn pulls compared to groups i've been DPS in in similar content.
your healer doesn't have a mana bar in this patch
i'm pretty fresh back from a big burnout/life bullshit hiatus, last time i really tanked was legion on a DK, and i played hyper casually through bfa and early SL.
yeah we dont worry about mana since infiltrators refill it
you should pretty much never pay attention to your healers mana it's just not relevant
but especially this season
oh ok
at that point just pull whatever
yeah
once you hit 11+ start making sure you know what to pull
or 10 idk
and then refine it with routes etc
Thanks!
gotcha, i sometimes have a pocket healer that doesn't suck
they had the same hiatus i did so it's just a gear thing, and they 99% pvp
im not sure you can really judge healer's abilities at that point
yeah
whether they suck or not it doesnt matter, you're not at the level where it matters
nothing at that level is really doing the kind of damage that requires competent healing
yet
i mean, they'll throw a feline at me if i don't listen to them tell me verbally they need more mana, so groups with them ain't really the problem
i just don't want to be "that tank" that nightmare ballads are written about
My pocket healer has had to heal on pugs under 18 more or as much as she does on a 25, experiences may vary
no reason to worry about being that tank
So your healer might have different experiences as you two progress
not trying to put you down but the point still stands
gotcha
nobody ever remembers anything at that level of content
so i shouldn't be terrified of pugging and just go for it
if you have any idea how to play the class, even with pisslow gear you can carry and kind of disaster pull at that level
correct
just go for it
and if you fail horribly and fuck it
yeah
big deal who gives a shit
i completely bombed the only +26 i tried this season
i have read all FAQs I can find, and i've done fine in heroics when dps didn't do stupid.
just absolutely bricked it
and i know i tilted that whole group
but whatever i just left and logged off
so just go for it
and if you fail you chill for a bit and try again
Wait, not everyone, I started tanking in bfa bc as a frost mage, I only met one pwar on s1 who wouldn't move from pack, every other tank was mindlessly kiting, that dude made me want to tank ever since, so that others don't suffer what I suffered
any time spent reading up on how to tank is almost certainly better spent actually tanking
well, i read at work when i couldn't tank
so technically i got paid to learn to tank in theory
The worst part on starting to tank is if your friends are having you play with people who, when you mess something up, will continue to strive to harass you outside the game for it, too
lmaooooo yeah that happens but you learn to roll with it
it's why i don't play with my friends super often in wow, because i don't like their friends so i just pug instead
well
my workaround for that is to just be the best at any game i play with my friends
You have to tank adds and also tank 🐒 dps brain "opinions" past a certain key level people tend to be more respectful
that's kind of a tangent but
and be the toxic asshole
and then as soon as they ask me to play fps
i'm busy that night
honestly there's a certain level of not giving a fuck that you need to apply
i just simply don't play with them
Like, the friend I know is cool, but the people they know I don't even like as people, and they're not good enough for me to want to hang around them in spite of that
so i simply don't
sometimes extremely toxic shit has some valid points in between the lines, its just a matter of not giving a shit and then analysing it
yeah the thing people don't really like to admit is that if someone is being a toxic asshole
unfortunately, a lot of the toxic shit they spew does not have that. Even if there is, by and large, I can (and have) learned more from talking with and listening to everyone in here
there's honestly probably a greater than 50% chance you fucked up
not that that justifies it
but there's a lot of people who just respond to toxicity by confronting the toxicity instead of just being good enough to not get toxic'd at
yup
I'm also very good at analyzing my own mistakes, so I don't need someone saying some toxic shit, especially if the run actually went fine but could have some improvements
You do have to be a little toxic if you want to push high keys, most of the time is how you say things that matter the most
yeah the important thing is being able to identify
nobody is perfect honestly
when the person flaming you
you can say that you are very good at it
I always look at myself first then the others
is just an absolute ungodly eldritch freak
but you can't have that mindset
and truly has no idea what they're talking about
the worst thing is when people have no idea what they're talking about, but are still decent enough at the game
i do my best to dodge people like that like the plague
i find that this ^ is very rarely the case
i tend to greet new dps (when i have my pocket healer) with utter silence until we're all in and healer is ready.... I then do a shout macro with "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!" and charge into the first pull.
lol
"ty for the key, byeeeh"
im sorry its a pet peeve
It depends on the breakpoint for decent; I don't expect Matta to run into those people often, but mid-tier players run into that shit a ton
it's not and ability
it's a one-time thing at the start
and only if my pocket heals is with me
oh nah luerce
trust me
every kind of idiot exists at every kind of content level
Only yell macro I use "I'm SR don't kick next"
this is also true for your rank in any kind of competitve game
bruh listen, do you know how many times i say "WERE DOING ZULGY BEFORE DYING" and people just royally fuck up after opera and then go "that's why we die after opera"
just like management.... there is incredible stupidity at every level of it..... and the more possible levels, the exponentially greater the stupid can be.
fighting game scrublords are a different level tbf
and miss out on fucking stacks and hefty amount of %
It's just the mid-level has the highest abundance, because they're able to mouthpiece opinions from better players and can get results they can see that blinds them to understanding
truth; the most toxic shit i've seen in wow is still better than a lot of fighting game people
i was leveling my mage for the venthyr cloth gear
got into a trina scythe
tank is like "ezpz lemme do gates"
if someone says some random shit i try not to engage honestly
we reset on gates like 16 times
My goals for the game's to enjoy myself, though, which is to push as high as I can without having a dedicated schedule or dealing with people attempting to shit on other people, so I just like
tried to explain several times how they work
don't play with people like that on a regular basis
dude was like "i'm NF, this is my dungeon, shut up"
the more personal responsibility people have for their failings the more toxic they get
which is obvious somewhat ironic
I can just:
Build Gundam Models
Play fighting games
Clear up my RPG backlog
Play Splatoon/other FPS games
Work on actual work
Instead
I've experienced the opposite
Bitching about fuckups depletes more keys than the fuckups themselves
^^^
extremely big true @cursive prawn
"if you got time to type you got time to dps"
Like, it doesn't affect my mentality
i deal with it fine in pugs
i just don't care for people being assholes, so i won't continue associating with those people
I'll just look at my logs and move on with my day
No one should judge you with who and how you spend your time, we are not world first key pushers
It's not worth me going, "I wanna push higher, so this guy who's telling me I'm a stupid dumbfuck because I tried seeing if we could pull one more group over Discord is someone I'm going to keep playing with"
right
oh lol yeah i mean
if they're talking direct shit over discord
that's like
unfathomable cringe
right click mute
yeah that's what i mean is things like that, and when people keep trying to talk shit like a day after or something
I just leave instead; it causes human drama to mute. There's better people to play with, like pretty much everyone in here,
or i can just like play another game
I don't have to play WoW like a lot of people think I do for whatever reason
yeah if someone is actually going to come on discord and talk shit to my face
that's an instant dip
well, they dont know they are muted unless you say something 🙂
oh trust me, some people know they're muted considering they can't stop talking shit and demand interaction
and there's other people, so
5 man group eh
i've had 2 people in a 20 man raid group who basically never interact with each other figure out each had the other muted in like 30 mins
well there's no synergy there so fuck it
I just don't even want to enable people like that, since there's better ways of spending your time
it's actually hilarious when person X talks over person Y without realising it because they're muted
You need good players and good, also encompasses having the right attitude to push with your team and play as a team
just group with the bud you like and pug the rest xD
or if that bud wants to only group with them, fuck him too
replace with good pugs
This is the way
yeah it kinda feels like youre on the fence
ngl
since you keep repeating it
sorry if that's not the case
just my perception
It's more that I don't want people to keep playing with shit people when there's so many other people they can play with and to not stress so much
well you cant control others (and nobody can control you)
I've seen enough of that in fighting game lands that people have ended up actually fighting other people
yeah if you're playing with a group of people you don't like there are like 5 things you could do and the only one that you shouldn't do is "keep playing with them"
This is true about all facets of life. Smart af people at the bottom, dumb af people at the top. Vice versa. C’est la vie.
@mighty valley "hey guys no fire mages this time so we're gonna do zulgy pull"
we had an unholy dk
rip zulgy pull
true

What's the best fated trinket to buy for tanking survivability? Shard of Ann Aegis?
Yes
i was cocidering get the splintered for an extra life xD but maybe thats a bad idea? i use Enforcerers stun grenade atm cause i also fury
Cheats arent a thing
Don't use cheats
Based on what you all have seen so far in DF, do you the a warrior/Druid would be a good tank combo or would Warrior/DH or DK be better?
Druid is a complementary choice with pwar cuz they dont need agro for anything reactive in Kit like revenge, grand crusader, bone shield stuff for feedback loop on rotation.
That said, bear state is kinda meh atm outputwise (could change), and doesnt offer anything unique like ams, amz, rally, whatever.
That said, any combo is gonna work fine
what does BTM in dungeon q title stand for
🤷
Break the meta
Oh yeah makes sense
ah
thx...but why does someone post his 17 for break the meta...is that like an invitation to inv me?
Means he will invite from the list of specs allowed
Time for pwarrior to shine and crawl under our 13s and break the meta by doing checks list +17s which we’ve never been able to do before
Truely an amazing time
Love it when the community comes together to enable us like this
i saw a whole bunch of pwars in LFD leveling, yesterday and past 3 months
Dirty fotmers
does RDM break CCs ? on huntsman shades ?
Shouldnt
like holy shield, it will only do so if you have the dot on you from a succesful cast from the doggos. wont break initial cc but may prevent re-cc.
hey guys just got back from taking a long break, but is it just how I am playing or is the gameplay loop for prot war's abit clunky atm? I am raged starved all the time and am waiting for thunder clap/shield slam to come back for several seconds at a time
lvl 53 btw
the additions of 4 piece tier, double legendary, and full conduit/soulbind access are fairy noticeable. there could be reasons beyond that for sure, but id at least hit max and have all the tools at your disposal before you dismiss the class
Its lvl53
ps i can tell you, it’s generally not the class. but hit max
He is missing the entire kit
thats not the entire kit
but you sure as hell shouldnt be making judgments on the class as a whole at 53
It’s you
Shouldn’t be that rage starved
Retail wow changes drastically at max level with gear
The leveling experience currently is nothing like endgame
In Dragonflight this will however change alot
There is this rage generation from bleed Talent but I don't know that is really good.
That's in dragonflight
That’s DF
And it is good
Really good
Oh okay
One of our conduits makes rage gained during Last Stand significantly increased. Like others said, level to max. Get 4 piece and double legendary bonuses. Then set your conduits. It's a button smash but not difficult to grasp.
Revenge
Gives you shield slam procs
i like playing healer leveling LFD, its about 5 apm
@mighty valley thunderclap is also pulling from under the floor 😦
cant thunderclap near the door to stage, apparently that's the danger area
uppercut gang is always the first to get aggroed
i.e. the ones just south of door frame (and on bottom floor)
Ugh
But going further into the room also makes you likely to pull random shit
Nightmare room
Just deathskip and do trash elsewhere imo
can just pull in to the stage's back
just gotta make sure nobody goes into door or dps mobs at it
such a ridiculous bug, smh blizzard
i really hate not doing it because it gives you so much %
instantly tilts me
actually it wasnt tclaap
it was divine storming from a ret pally at the door
does divine storm still send that dumb tornado where they're facing?
building 2022 m+ content on 2006 level design has its downsides
if i can get some tech to pull some trash during fish boss in jade serpent, sign me up
good learning experience for devs and players alike
well i mean like for later seasons
unless theres some snap shit that we dont know about there
which is good 🙂
i suppose theres 2 sides to it right?
grimrail has the double infil through the wall thing
which is a positive honestly
well i dont think anyone disagrees with that one
even if shrouded weren't a thing you would really have to try to pull those
The only disagreement I have is that it's not something that's obvious to a first-timer and has no way to encourage someone to try and discover that outside of people specifically looking to bust things. I like the alternative routing, but I also like things being intuitive, so my feelings on that are complex
thats true
man imagine if you had to fight 4 of those instead of 2
Shiv is a global man
Shiv is the only reason the rogue is in the group
rogues that shiv are gods amongst men
ragnaros/quelthalas hunters that dont even have soothe in their bars though...
there, priest is to 60 now, still got DH druid, monk hunter to lvl 40/50 >> 60 time for DF
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I do shiv sometimes. But 25 sec CD kinda sucks
yeah no doubt
Smh
In s1 everyone was suckin off gouge and now we suddenly care about global economy
suckin off gouge
gouge THIS
https://youtu.be/6T9d9LM1TwY we have summoned an evil
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Nvidia's 4000 series is overpriced on purpose pretty much. Lots of 3000 series stock which is decent value now
i still bought new even with used 30 series going way down in price
Only the 4090 makes sense price wise, but not many people has that kinda money to spend on a gpu
cuz, if you buy retail, you get a tracking number with shipping and free returns...
you buy on ebay, you can get a literal brick, carved out like shape of 4090 and ah too bad, guess you got screwed
I have a 3080 in a custom loop. Got it for msrp a couple of weeks after it was released
i just don't have a 240hz 1440p or 4k 120 hz monitor to make the 3080+++++ worth it for me

Lucky you
I bought 3080 on msrp, didn't receive it for 9 months, cancelled order and bought overpriced 3080ti cuz it was in stock
I've been had
- then i'd probably also want a platinum or titanium version of the PSU i'm ordering now anyways and at like 850 or 1000w's and so thats like 500 bucks (canada) for a power supply titanium 1000w
I have an 850w psu, the thought of having to go 1000+ in the future is scary
I went all in an got a 1300w right off the bat
i bought a 1.2k one to future proof
@sick sentinel americans know W? wtf i thought u had a special unit for it too
I think sales will prolly just tank a lot this gen, people don't have money to spend atm
Watt are you talking about, thats the standard unit
400 for a 1000w titanium unit.... + taxes.... yeah, probably 500 lol... tehre is a unit or 2 that is 17% off for 340 canada, so thats a bit more reasonable. i went with RMX 750w gold 2021 version
@mortal brook oh yea because you are using all SI units xD
like W as in watts? yeah our lightbulbs for kitchen are listed as "80w 100w 110w"
190 for 1300w is pretty good
Anyone knows if u can do balance of power in a day for artifact appearances
Ya and its not a cheap brand either
ur also payingin some kind of eurpean currency
probably euros or whatever germany has these days
Its not consistent tbh, depending on area, field or item.
we call them euro dollars
We have euros
Balance of power will take at least 3 weeks cuz raid lockouts
150 euro = ~~~ 200 canada
euro is going downhill like bdk in DF
Fml c'mon blizz this is old content...
Ty though
1300w is probably over kill though
i'd just rather go to a reputable brand, and buy just over what is said on the part im trying to install on that box
rather than buy a massively wattage psu from a lesser known
Who says it's from a bad brand
no, i just am dubious of how you got an A tier new psu for low price is all
i dont think u will find a single psu thats not made in china
the big psu sellers will also have several partners who produce it for them which means even the "same" psu can be of different quality
the ones im getting is made with japanese parts i've heard, and is supposed to be better, i don't really know, i just know that it listed the psu i have installed as B tier 2018 model while one i've ordered is A tier 2021
choice is logical for me.
Even now it still only costs 230 euro
every japanese computer brand gives their work to foxxcon who exploit ppl in china to make it cheap
we didn't start the fire, jfk blow away, what else do i have to say?
Never change Yogi, never change.
long as there is a fuel source, there will be fire
then somebodies did a really good job of hiding it
cuz, if someone knew what it was and where it was, they'd go unearth it and use it
PSU more like Prot SUcks lol
same goes for cpus and gpu's you can type in google "2070 vs 3070" and the first link will typically be "user benchmark" which sometimes when your comparing gpu's offers a YT video, and it wasn't what it is today, but there was certainly always a "meta" for building pc's depending on the time and person.
Think of it like simulating your DPS through raidbots.
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when you spamming low junkyards for the ring and you get the healing one. So you healer dips and you make him come to oribos to recieve his bis
i swear if these dungeons come back for 10.4
Possibly i didnt know they have the other season figured out already. Mechagon has two set rings that bis for everyone so its an easy way to make top end players run dungeons.
i'm pretty sure we saw more dungeon that were tagged for possible future season
Pretty sure they just swept through and tagged all mop and after but sure
yeah was something like that
mechagon is just an easy pair to throw in just like kara. i think we got these two again because they were already stones. im just hoping they dont comeback
doing my keys for break the meta today
one of my dps links a group and says "look at these fucking weirdos man how is this working"
and i didn't even have to check the link
to know who he was talking about

was that
yep

+23 tyranical maraudon princess
What is the max ignore pain can stack to?
That party damage will be):
30% of the caster’s hp
Awesome thanks! There really isn’t anyway to know that besides testing right? It doesn’t say that in any spell or passive.
was = some xyz% of AP, now = 30% maximum hp (this should include things like last stand and rallying cry far as i know)
that was in the bluepost when they announced the change
but as per usual
blizz doesnt include shit into game UI
i cant for the god damn life of me bring my self to start playing dh and druid
monk i can kinda do, since i got monk to fated LFR lvl, so i can just cookie cutter that, buttons and all, but DH and druid i really got no idea man.
mostly DH i don't understand, like, totally at all kinda thing, it just doesn't make sense to me yet
You drop circle and break your enemies spirit, then you slurp it up, repeat
hunter is EZ as shit, so he's gunna be dead last, litteral just shoot shit to death
Guardian druid is just one button with a macro, 2 if you are feeling naughty
i was gunna play the "whats a macro" card but this says otherwise
i cant even remember why its installed, but its just as meme, and thats not worst addon
"Will be included in a later update" 
i love getting insta declined for lowers
what a game
"ok let me fish a lower with my key"
20 gmbt -> no soothes or fishmancer kicks -> dying to enraged goliaths
and a mage that lusted double infil + goliath for some fucking reason
19 gmbt -> no soothes or fishmancer kicks -> can't skip guardians because "why didnt the rogue shroud" (as a druid)
ok then
i guess ill top dmg by reflecting enraged fishmancers and let jesus take the wheel
or at least that has been my mantra so far
meanwhile on not getting the actual key i need to increase rating...
hey i was doing junkyard today and i got an 8 second stun from the toxic lurkers twice in a row as a tank
the whole group just kept watching at me sitting 16 seconds in a stun
everyone in our group had an interrupt
Do you have a lower? I probably need a key on my rsham
rough
i dont but i need a 20+ lower
its my lowest fort key
So worst thing about rolling a new prot pally and trying to hear it. Have 262 pretty much everywhere except my lovely 226 weapon and 226 shield. Sigh
Time to start farming PVP I guess
Good morning. 
time to quit for the night
👋
have a good day you cuties @warm plinth and @ionic fern
or night
night dude
was bolvar controlled by the jailer as well pre-helm break or was he a freed spirit
for you lore frogs out there
uhh im half lore frog not really more like 1/3rd at best
at which point
yeah i'm not sure about that one, i didn't read too far into the DK crap
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2612467-Who-was-really-in-control-when-Bolvar-wore-the-helm this is what i found doing a quick google based on what you typed
Considering Crisp-Bolvar seems like a nice guy in Shadowlands, who was really in control in between WotLK and Shadowlands?
His personality was much more dark, and he liked to threaten to kill people and raise them as his mindless toys. So he was much more sinister.
I guess the Jailer had a lot of influence but still, since he didn't do T...
makes sense thanks yogi 
would you guys say an item with same ilvl with a socket is always an upgrade regardless of stats?
i would not take a crit mast item over haste vers just cuz it has a socket
But I was once told tanks don't sim! I've been living in a lie?
The overwhelming majority of your survival comes from playing well, not from your secondary stat spread
So in general you can follow the rule of
ilvl > haste > vers >= crit > mastery defensively
If you absolutely wanna go for "I need to believe I'm being tanky"
For anything else, you can just sim
btw
I see a lot of guys on raider io use the 5% movement speed gem
just a cutting edge m+ thing?
Do you need mov speed?
i dont need anything
Mov speed helps with reprisal usage a bit yeah
Theres your answer
It's not mandatory or anything
Just a small qol
Since 1 or 2 gems isn't gonna make or break anything
Just helps you gathering pulls here and there, and with charging
but why does it have 1 more stat! its same ilvl
Because dif expansions
some guy told me the other day to turn haste/mast gloves into the set which is crit/mast because you want some of the bad stats aswell
that guy is weird
I ended up getting set gloves later on in vault, feels bad but hey its 304
So is the bear holding up Brazil and Germany nuclear weaponry or
Is the bear one of them?
im gunna pay you 10 dollars to fuck off
its portugal brazil and spain
Someone used their brain
there is an odd one out!
Pog
60 and we have a deal
brazil is not part of iberia and spain does not speak portugese
I just looked up the Portugal flag and it's not a bear
i already preorderd and got the 6 month
am paid up
i hate druid and dh so much, i can never last past orgimar
Unlucky then
There are no bad stats, you don't want haste/X exclusively on every item
hey nome
is codex good
Hah
Hmm debating whether to take the 304 fusion hacker or 291 shoulders. Both slots currently are 262 for me but which one is worth taking?
the answer is obvious
I just came back to the game, I haven't played since the beginning of s3 and picked warrior up for DF.
Weapon
304 weapon
By a long shot
You can get 298 shoulders from just playing m+ and having 2000 score
You can't get 304 weapon other than from mythic raid and vault

What tools do you guys use to find a new Guild to raid on?
The only retail raids And guilds I’ve joined are from knowing people that I would pvp with
Do you have logs and stuff?
?
Mostly from BFA and Castle
yes
Idk their relevancy is expiring
they do
But they would if that’s all you had yeah
what kinda guild are you looking for
A Heroic guild that might dip its toes in mythic
ah mh
cant really speak much about guilds at that level
try looking at wowprogress and warcraftlogs recruiting tools
maybe raider.io too
I've tried logs without much success. Thanks for the tips
Never raided mythic before, but I'm interested in starting. Don't wanna rush it though
There is also a lot of class discords with guild recruitment channels
#promotion has regular posts in it as well
Nice! Thanks guys
be ready/willing to DPS
In my experience, especially at that "heroic prog AotC" level of content, few people are actively looking for tanks, and usually someone just gets baited into doing it
Oh no please don't bait me into a tank spot
I got baited into a dps slot for my current guild while they said they needed a tank lmao
yeah it turns out nerds are bad at group management
Some, not all lol
Mega big ass
I do

90/100+ fps in oribos with 3070 and new psu, life could be dream
welcome to the club
Yogi what are you doing playing this game with specs like that?!
Go ultra-mod Fallout: New Vegas with the big boys
granted i have a ti
4k everything
and a 5900x
Goddamn right
1400p is where its at
I be allocating 24gb of CPU to New Vegas through 4GB patch, tick extender, and ENB
That's me btw
WTB WoW 4k patch and ENBdev compatibility
Shit would look fucking incredible
But you'd have like 2 FPS in combat as soon as your WeakAuras triggered
as an fps player, fuck 4k
until GPUs become powerful enough for shit to run at 1440p performance
Very true and real
or at 1080p performance i should say
I like 4k but only on New Vegas because I've modded it to allow for smooth 70 FPS at all times with 4k retextures squished onto a 2560x1440p monitor
But that also took something like 20 hours of rewriting strings of text and shit
are you running DLDSR?
But can it run doom in 8k
Forgive me but I'm actually not as well-versed; what is DLDSR?
Is that the super-sampling technique?
AI assisted higher than native resolution
Ohh shit THAT
I've not used it since I attempted with Fallout 4 and crashed my game like 6 times with it enabled
Probably just me being an idiot in setting it up, though
I’m gonna have to look into this actually
I wanna see if I can properly apply it
To like
An older title
probably something not that old
apparently it works okay-ish in elite dangerous and ffxiv
horizon zero dawn as well
How old would you say the cutoff is?
2010?




