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mellow bridge Sep 23, 2022, 1:40 PM

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do you know what their autoattacks do?

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:40 PM

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ofc

mellow bridge Sep 23, 2022, 1:40 PM

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what is it

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:40 PM

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a proximity hit

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if you are talking about an actual key

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where they oneshot you

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you have the wrong dps if they die in your group

mellow bridge Sep 23, 2022, 1:40 PM

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I see

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thanks for the convo

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I dont want to continue

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:41 PM

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like i tank them on my ww up to 26 27

mellow bridge Sep 23, 2022, 1:41 PM

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that's crazy

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:41 PM

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with not losing more than 50 %

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so idk what u are on about

fallow narwhal Sep 23, 2022, 1:41 PM

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Are you talking about the trash at the start of grimrail?

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:43 PM

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and furthermore muyu iirc its a frontal cone in which they hit your friends

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so i dont see a world where YOU are not able to charge

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 1:57 PM

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fallow narwhal Are you talking about the trash at the start of grimrail?

yes the overseer

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:42 PM

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@sick sentinel my preferred group comp is 2 mele (me +dps), and 2 ranged dps.
I agree with you on hero, and I also agree that good ilvl or io lock is an instant invite

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For ranged I like mage lock, mage hunter, or hunter mage. Not a lot of ranged hunters tho in m+, they are all mele

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:44 PM

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Have you consider bringing the player

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And not the spec?

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:44 PM

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I like mage hunter for the interrupts, and the dk has good interrupts.
I'm not really a fan of most dh players. For every good one I've seen in my pug life, I've probably seen 2 bad ones. I don't like to bring a dh to upper kara

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For non pug I bring the player, yes

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For pug life, and not knowing the player I bring class or spec

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:45 PM

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Especially in pugs lol

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:45 PM

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I do agree with you, player >class and spec

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However without knowing the players that makes it hard

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:45 PM

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for every wl and hunter player u have to rio - 500

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and then look at it again

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:45 PM

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Lmao

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Seen that shit too. 2k or 2200 plus io, good ilvl player basically give a Grey parse

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Like. Holy shit man carry much?

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Pug life isn't always bad. But when it is, boy is it bad

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Also for what keys are we talking about?

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Oh, I'm in sub20

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I doubt I'll break 20. I usually run 15 to 19

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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its a complete gamble tbh in those keys

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Then the Logic you apply wont work

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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u can literally meet ppl who are in that dungeon for the first time

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:47 PM

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16 to 19 isn't bad. Sub 15 is bad. Sub 10 is, well it's quite an experience

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:48 PM

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i met a SV 4 days ago 26 lower

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he must have never been in that dungeon before

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:48 PM

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cobalt seal Have you consider bringing the player

The amount of work to tell if one player is better than another is way too much than just seeing Good Class + Big number

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:48 PM

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no other explanation

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:48 PM

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Run enough pugs and you'll see it. People thst don't interrupt. Lust classes that don't lust. All of it

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:49 PM

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ionic roost The amount of work to tell if one player is better than another is way too much ...

Off meta player with decent score>meta dummy with average score

topaz field Sep 23, 2022, 2:49 PM

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i personally look a lot at total keys played also

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:49 PM

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Mechanics? What arethose?

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:49 PM

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topaz field i personally look a lot at total keys played also

Same

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While not 100 percent, nothing pugging is 100 percent, I'm mor likely to invite someone with lots of timed runs over someone that isn't.
Not all the time tho. When I really want to get time and push my io, yea

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:50 PM

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cobalt seal Off meta player with decent score>meta dummy with average score

It usually the same either way

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:50 PM

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Sometimes I am a compassionate tank God and will run a group of low timed runs or low io. I like to think I'm helping newer players get in

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:50 PM

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ionic roost It usually the same either way

Not really

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:51 PM

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Would you rather take a 304 hunter with 2900 score, or a 304 Druid with 2900 score

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:51 PM

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Probably the boomie

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I don't like a lot of hunter players tbh

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:52 PM

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ionic roost Would you rather take a 304 hunter with 2900 score, or a 304 Druid with 2900 sco...

Druid

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Especially if feral

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:53 PM

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I haven't seen many cats this season

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The one I saw a couple weeks ago pumped really good. Ferals seem rare outside of guardian

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 2:55 PM

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My philosophy after I have lust covered, is take people who have timed the key on a close level

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Sometimes I just drum tbh if necessary

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But raiderio “best for” is your best friend

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:56 PM

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Idk, like I'm doing 27-29's on both my Monk and my DK, and my DK has like 0 gear where my monk is fill bis with a bunch of leech and avoidance, and the amount of work and effort to do the keys is night and day

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:56 PM

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I think my mage gets m+ invites just for heroism sometimes lol

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Dk easier, or the monk?

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Before you answer I'm gonna guess the dk

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:57 PM

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Dk

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:57 PM

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Monk tanks are hit and miss in my experience.
They are either gods that can't die, or go splat every pull

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It's odd to see such a wide gap

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 2:58 PM

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Well it's just effort and button management

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 2:58 PM

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Tbh I don't know shit about monks. Monk healers I've ran across have all been really good. I made a monk to try it out and kinda enjoyed healing leveling dungeons with him

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But I dunno, the class is weird to me

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 2:59 PM

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ionic roost Idk, like I'm doing 27-29's on both my Monk and my DK, and my DK has like 0 gear...

And that guy is doing 16-19

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Where spec doesnt matter

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I could say the same about 27's considering the way im Timing them

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keksquad

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:00 PM

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It doesn't, but its about availability. You post a 18 key, and you'll get 50 applicants. And you just select big ilvl and big score and big class

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:01 PM

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What healers do you guys like to run wjth the most? I run with a holy priest almost daily and we do good work together

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Plus, the priest War combo is the og combo

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:01 PM

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When my group was running 2 ele Shamans, we tried to pug a healer for a 26 lower. We went through 6 before one stayed after seeing the comp

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:01 PM

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A healer that presses buttons

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:01 PM

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Lmao

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Quite a few times in pugs I've disagreed with the comp, I'm not the type of player that will bitch about someone else's key comp. Sometimes it fails, and then ofc sometimes it goes quite well

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:02 PM

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ionic roost When my group was running 2 ele Shamans, we tried to pug a healer for a 26 lower...

Stupid players are stupid

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:02 PM

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cobalt seal I could say the same about 27's considering the way im Timing them

Yea we've only done two weeks of keys, so we're just learning what stuff will just 100-0

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Like the 28 ID we did where our monk just go flung hammered for 101% of his hp

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:03 PM

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Thats why you dont run with inferior roles

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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It's always fun to be standing around, minding your own business when some asshole throws an axe at you and sends you to the gy

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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That die to nothing

undone verge Sep 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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My favorite when I was told I needed to be 265+ to tank a 12 otherwise we would be wiping over and over

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:04 PM

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I saw a dude with 2.9k io listing an 11 last night that said "checking io"

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Made me chuckle. Just say "bonus Valor" my man

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The shit you see for gatekeeping in lfg is wild. People expecting highly geared and experienced players to carry them. Nothing wrong with it I guess, most people will probably be carried through something zt some point. But damn

undone verge Sep 23, 2022, 3:06 PM

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Players In the 9-14 range are some of the worst

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:07 PM

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I agree with that

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I expect the really low key runners go not be fully prepared (invis pots is a big one). I expect players thst run where I'm at, between 16 and 19 to be prepared and be a bit more serious about what we are doing

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Yes, it's a game. But you know, winning is fun.

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:08 PM

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I don't expect anyone to be prepared outside a premade

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Hold W routes only

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:09 PM

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The most I can usually run is my healer buddy and sometimes 1 or 2 dps we know

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Outside of that I usually have to pug my dps

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:10 PM

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tropic gorge For ranged I like mage lock, mage hunter, or hunter mage. Not a lot of ranged hu...

mage is also insane value because innate greater inivisibility + ice block to all specs + stuff like spell steal, they have bad interupt in that its very long, so can't be relied on heavily

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:11 PM

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Lets name the utility of all classes

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CatjamR

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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well, what does arms /fury warrior do in a key for us?? ... oh wait...

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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I can't wait for the boss you can't beat without a poison/disease dispel

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In dragonflight

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:13 PM

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Lol

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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dps monk, i'm not sure that they give anything besides a buff and like maybe ring of peace

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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You mean how people still manage to do pf without that?

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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No it's like, the boss one shots you if you get 10 stacks

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And you get 1 stack per auto

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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And there comes from?

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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so, other arms warrior and DH, dps monk i tend to pass on first

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:14 PM

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There is nothing like that

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:15 PM

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The frog boss

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:15 PM

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i still haven't gotten the solo PF mount

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:15 PM

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Just be a dwarf. Problem solved

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😉

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:15 PM

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ionic roost The frog boss

What frog?

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Literally the only frog boss

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Think I'm a loremaster

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:16 PM

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I bring dps warriors for pure dps push. Unfortunately our dps spec doesn't bring much for the group. Hp shout bit does that really count?

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:16 PM

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the majority of players i see yelling at me to "hold more aggro betterer" is other warriors mostly

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:17 PM

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There is no frog boss in s4

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 3:17 PM

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imma go solo that PF mount now

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:17 PM

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Get it!

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:17 PM

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CatjamR

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:18 PM

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cobalt seal There is no frog boss in s4

Dragonflight

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:18 PM

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That can still be changed

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Or have some kind of counterplay

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:18 PM

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I know I submitted feedback to make it just a magic dispel or something

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 3:19 PM

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And this is why the best tank race is dwarf!

ionic roost Sep 23, 2022, 3:19 PM

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I was testing bear sadgers

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Hard to test tho, convoke and incarn both don't work atm

rocky kraken Sep 23, 2022, 3:25 PM

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does salvaged fuse amp work on prot?

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 3:29 PM

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Why wouldnt it

velvet yarrow Sep 23, 2022, 3:29 PM

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Hey quick question… ive seen some war doing spell reflect when going up the tower on last boss of JY! Every time i try it, it stunt me and port me back? Am i doing it right?

lofty widget Sep 23, 2022, 3:31 PM

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i think it only works on the spinning beam and bots

urban bane Sep 23, 2022, 3:48 PM

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Can just leap after the stun field goes off and that skips most of that part anyway

rocky kraken Sep 23, 2022, 3:50 PM

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cobalt seal Why wouldnt it

didnt know if revenge would proc it

lofty widget Sep 23, 2022, 3:51 PM

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urban bane Can just leap after the stun field goes off and that skips most of that part any...

use leap to get back down okayge

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 3:57 PM

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rocky kraken didnt know if revenge would proc it

everything in this game procs it

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 3:59 PM

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if i want to Play The Wall wich Talents i should choose?

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 3:59 PM

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same talents

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:00 PM

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and change conduits?

rocky kraken Sep 23, 2022, 4:01 PM

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ok cool. thought i read somewhere that SFA didnt work on revenge

flint plank Sep 23, 2022, 4:01 PM

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graceful cobalt if i want to Play The Wall wich Talents i should choose?

as a new prot player myself, why would you run that? im asking cuz reprisal seems weird at first glance

rocky kraken Sep 23, 2022, 4:01 PM

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reprisal 😢

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 4:02 PM

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same conduits

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:02 PM

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i don´t like the charge/intervane

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 4:02 PM

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we only got 2 months anyways

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:02 PM

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and with The wall it´s for me Tankier

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:03 PM

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My friend, charge is the center of our tool kit

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And probably one of our most important abilities

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:03 PM

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yeah but it feels for me like a pinball with the wall it´s tankier for me

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:03 PM

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Intervene has a weird place and is kinda useless outside of reprisal. It's more of a pvp ability imo. But charge is a center peice

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 4:04 PM

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yeah intervene is generally niche in m+

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especially w/o conduit

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:04 PM

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I'm not gatekeeping or bashing you, but if you don't like charge may I suggest a dk or paladin

urban portal Sep 23, 2022, 4:04 PM

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tbf we are done with reprisal in like 3 months

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:04 PM

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If you're gonna try to push deep into m+ before prepatch run reprisal on feet. If you're just having fun doing your own thing, do what ya want!

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It's the end. It doesn't truly matter

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:05 PM

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mimic i am old school warrior i don´t say i don´t like charge only repisal becouse it´s feel i am a pinball

flint plank Sep 23, 2022, 4:05 PM

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i wont be doing m+ at all as prot but i will be heroic/normal raiding so im assuming reprisal still takes a clear lead

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:05 PM

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My warrior was made during vanilla, before wsg was added in. I'm right there with ya

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:05 PM

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look at these boomers

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:05 PM

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Lol

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Get off my lawn damnit!

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:06 PM

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I will

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I will CHARGE

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and INTERVENE rightoff >:

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wicked

flint plank Sep 23, 2022, 4:06 PM

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lol

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im brand new to prot and honestly i fell in love, i was a prot pally and found my way to the light

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or out of the light

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:07 PM

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THE problem w/ the wall ist hat even if you just charge to start the fight and then intervene a melee on cd

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reprisal is still more efficient

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in keys**

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:08 PM

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yes thats right but i don´t like meeles

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a WL/Fire mage bring more dps as a Warrior/rouge^^

flint plank Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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you dont have to ping pong wolth you can intervene ur co tank in raid after you swap

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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yeah but then u have to play with a wl or a fire mage'

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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and most rnd dps warrior charge bladestorm death

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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so it all balances out

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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so why choose a IQ low class if i get PPL with Int

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:09 PM

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peepostudy

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:10 PM

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in my Grp i have Holy Priest WL/Firemage

modern brook Sep 23, 2022, 4:10 PM

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how do u kick things my god

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:10 PM

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And if i do sheep something every time i must sent the dps warrior out of the room^^

tropic gorge Sep 23, 2022, 4:11 PM

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graceful cobalt so why choose a IQ low class if i get PPL with Int

Hey hey hey. Just because I get hit in the head a lot and don't have any int doesn't mean I'm low iq!

graceful cobalt Sep 23, 2022, 4:12 PM

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ask Balow^^

mighty sleet Sep 23, 2022, 7:14 PM

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Shared Suffering...can someone give me a quick tutorial on this solo soak please?

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:16 PM

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I believe he re casts it once

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So one intervene, one heroic leap

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This is in lieu of having a immune soaker, or if it is a lower key having a 3-4man soak with light defensives

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If you find yourself soaking in tyrannical you gotta pop everything

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PS. Make sure you are avoiding the mortal strikes because they 1/2 your hp which makes soaking a lot more difficult

mighty sleet Sep 23, 2022, 7:21 PM

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lusty tiger If you find yourself soaking in tyrannical you gotta pop everything

But like, how many can a Prot Warrior actually solo soak? I feel like 2 max and then, depending on key not even 2?

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 7:21 PM

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hello again, is there no zulga in iron dock?

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im looking at MDT and not able to see it

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I have never done that so idk

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Need some real m+ gamers to answer that

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 7:22 PM

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i just kill demon vampires that get in the way... they have more features of demons than vampires i figure

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:23 PM

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mighty sleet But like, how many can a Prot Warrior actually solo soak? I feel like 2 max and ...

You should be able to intervene+heroic leap each time I’m pretty sure there’s more than 45 sec between the casts

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But that is a theory craft

mighty sleet Sep 23, 2022, 7:23 PM

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lusty tiger You should be able to intervene+heroic leap each time I’m pretty sure there’s mo...

He keeps recasting now though, correct?

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:23 PM

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I think he only recasts once

tired night Sep 23, 2022, 7:29 PM

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mighty sleet He keeps recasting now though, correct?

Recast is fake cuz phase unless ms then weird shit happens, just dodge until sub 20 then soak with immune or sac a player

spiral warren Sep 23, 2022, 7:29 PM

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sick sentinel hello again, is there no zulga in iron dock?

Yes there is he’s in the right pack before the first boss

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:40 PM

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tired night Recast is fake cuz phase unless ms then weird shit happens, just dodge until sub...

So you keep running out over and over until horseman is under 20% hp?

tired night Sep 23, 2022, 7:41 PM

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lusty tiger So you keep running out over and over until horseman is under 20% hp?

Well its just one intervene per phase on this class

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Or leap

flint plank Sep 23, 2022, 7:45 PM

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hey guys new to warrior, maybe a stupid question but can heroic leap be used to jump over mechanics like painsmith balls and wall of rats in upper

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:46 PM

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You can normal jump over the rats

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Painsmith apparently requires a pixel perfect jump basically

minor helm Sep 23, 2022, 7:47 PM

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Painsmith should just be regular jump then leap at peak of jump

lusty tiger Sep 23, 2022, 7:48 PM

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Ohh

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Makes sense

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Hm I guess I COULD try that today

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 7:51 PM

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i didnt see him on mdt

spiral warren Sep 23, 2022, 7:55 PM

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sick sentinel i didnt see him on mdt

He’s there

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In the second “square” area you go into at the start

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He’s in the right pack

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The one the battle master is patrolling around

sacred wing Sep 23, 2022, 8:38 PM

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Does anyone know, what my Vers. should be at tanking? I am going to start pushing 20+ keys and I am wondering.

lofty widget Sep 23, 2022, 8:40 PM

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doesnt matter

minor helm Sep 23, 2022, 8:40 PM

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More than 0 less than 1 million

lofty widget Sep 23, 2022, 8:40 PM

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get ilvl above anything

drifting fable Sep 23, 2022, 8:40 PM

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if you really want to look at a secondary, we prefer haste. but they really dont matter that much

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if you just use whatever highest ilvl you have thats best

uneven mason Sep 23, 2022, 8:48 PM

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Vers stacking weird

worn bear Sep 23, 2022, 9:03 PM

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@silver merlin

sacred wing Sep 23, 2022, 9:03 PM

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thank you.

pallid quiver Sep 23, 2022, 9:13 PM

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Your survivability pretty much always comes from your play rather than gear. You'd only ever think about Vers once you start getting one-shot by unavoidable damage.

It'll be a bit before you hit that breakpoint as a tank.

cobalt seal Sep 23, 2022, 9:46 PM

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pallid quiver Your survivability pretty much always comes from your play rather than gear. You...

that will happen in 40's

scenic coral Sep 23, 2022, 10:45 PM

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does someone have a bodyguard WA that shows me the uptime or when the buff just gets outranged

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?

sick sentinel Sep 23, 2022, 11:02 PM

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not off hand but you might be able to download someone elses profile and just take the bit you need, i don't like pvp much

tropic gorge Sep 24, 2022, 1:12 AM

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and the push continues

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for being back in the game for 5 weeks, i'm somewhat happy with that so far

sinful plover Sep 24, 2022, 1:14 AM

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That’s about where I’m at Rn

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Just below the 20s

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I was so ready to time all 20s this season then they threw 6 (new to me) dungeons at us

tropic gorge Sep 24, 2022, 1:17 AM

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getting into 20, for me is gonna be a challenge. id rather have a solid group to run with on the reg

sinful plover Sep 24, 2022, 1:17 AM

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Yeah I timed a few with pugs, puging 20s is really a lick of the draw with your teammates.

tropic gorge Sep 24, 2022, 1:19 AM

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theres that, and when i mess up, id rather not have pug rage lol

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doesn't really help to figure out what went wrong

cobalt seal Sep 24, 2022, 1:21 AM

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Mute them

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Or grow thic skin

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 1:54 AM

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i had some kind of problem with the stars part iron docks

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 1:58 AM

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ok

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not exactly specific

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 1:58 AM

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this is the route im given, exceept for that i pulled the vampire at the cursor there, and im not sure if you're suppposed to pull different there because of bolster, but i think they 1 shot

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and so, because bolster fort, i have to pull like it shows on map i guess?

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for bottom half of what im showing

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:00 AM

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your cursor isn't showing

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and i don't know what "they 1 shot" means

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or how bolster is relevant

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everything dies to the star

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do vampires get bolstered?

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:00 AM

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cuz im not sure if they 1 shot 100% of the time, if they 100% to 0% 1 hit, GG no problem

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just, have to kite that case for 20 seconds

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:01 AM

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so you're just asking if the stars one shot?

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i still don't understand your question

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:01 AM

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im asking how to pull the bottom half of the area that i'm showing here

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:01 AM

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you have a route

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that's how you pull it

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the route is accurate and works fine

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:02 AM

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if there is something specific i gotta do and if it one shots

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:02 AM

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if you're not sure how to pull stars i'd advise just watching someone do the key as tank

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can't really explain it

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just pull the mobs and group and wait for someone to drop star on them

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:03 AM

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im not sure how it happend, but someone in the group before boss one was complaining at a group mate that "the tank is out damaging you" no idea if that played a factor

merry aurora Sep 24, 2022, 2:06 AM

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Hey all, new to prot here, what's the haste cap for prot?

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:06 AM

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there isn't one

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haste loses slight value at 40%

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:07 AM

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through stats like OWS trinket effect, or on gear, 40% is where some of us stop actively going for it

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:07 AM

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but doesn't matter

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 2:07 AM

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through % gain m+ lust/hero, infinity

merry aurora Sep 24, 2022, 2:07 AM

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Dually noted

tropic gorge Sep 24, 2022, 2:21 AM

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youre remembering to spell reflect vampiric strike ya

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:30 AM

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So, it just so happens that the group I'm currently running M+ with has chosen an all melee comp. I know that this is an awful fucking decision but it is what it is. You guys think that Into the Fray might outweigh Ravager since I'll be getting the 10% haste at all times?

mighty sleet Sep 24, 2022, 2:31 AM

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vague abyss So, it just so happens that the group I'm currently running M+ with has chosen a...

Probably not. ITF counts enemies and allies, doesn't matter which. If it was better we would be using it regardless of comp I would think.

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:32 AM

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sadga

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ty for the answer

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Oh I didn't even realize it read as enemies as well

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I'm dumb lol. Thanks again

mighty sleet Sep 24, 2022, 2:33 AM

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vague abyss I'm dumb lol. Thanks again

You aren't dumb lol. You just missed part of a tooltip. For the record I HATE Ravager and would love to drop it myself.

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:34 AM

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Not a fan of it either, unfortunately. Hoping that with tuning we won't end up running it in DF

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🤞

mighty sleet Sep 24, 2022, 2:35 AM

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I don't like the Area Effect reticle on Warrior for Spear and Ravager (assuming both used in DF). Like, I'll play my Elemental Shaman if I want to be doing that all the time. Just isn't Warrior imo.

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:37 AM

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Yep, feels like it ruins the flow of Warrior. I played Arms in 9.0 where you ran Ravager with Condemn and it felt bad there too

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But now Arms runs Spear anyways too yep

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:37 AM

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just use cast @ cursor macro

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makes it feel 10x better imo

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:38 AM

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Works for Ravager yeah, I just don't like it with Spear cause you have to be much more precise

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:38 AM

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yeah i hate spear

vague abyss Sep 24, 2022, 2:38 AM

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I'll probably set it up for Ravager, just getting into Prot yesterday for the first time since Legion

pallid quiver Sep 24, 2022, 3:04 AM

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The @player macro solves all my problems

onyx vessel Sep 24, 2022, 4:22 AM

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At cursor could also work

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 12:10 PM

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my main wish about ravager is that it no longer goes on the fucking ceiling 40 feet up in the air on on a chandaleier, or on a piece of wood jutting out from a building etc, thats more frustrating than just about anything to me

blazing condor Sep 24, 2022, 1:12 PM

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Cursor diff

orchid mural Sep 24, 2022, 2:11 PM

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mighty sleet I don't like the Area Effect reticle on Warrior for Spear and Ravager (assuming ...

just macro to drop at your feet - charge in, 1 or 2 abilities, then slap down spear. everything is grouped. ta da

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 2:23 PM

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I'd have to 2 buttons for spear

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Sometimes you're kiting

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casting it on feet is fine for ravager for spear is too small radius

ocean berry Sep 24, 2022, 3:03 PM

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How important is the race of a dwarf if I'm going to play max 20-25 keys? Is their racial ability worth it?

mortal brook Sep 24, 2022, 3:10 PM

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Better than many alternatives, not absolutely required

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If you think they look cute in your favorite transmog go for it

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 3:15 PM

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The racial is good but not remotely necessary

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(In that range)

strong forum Sep 24, 2022, 3:42 PM

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The biggest use of dwarf racial is against the carrion swarm of the infiltrators

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if you get hit by it

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There are barely any relevant dots in the current dungeon pool

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So it's not at all relevant for pushing keys these days

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 3:43 PM

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nothing a cleanse can't fix in most cases

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dark iron has an argument with curses being harder to remove and you get str, so more dps. you also move slightly faster indoors which is 100% of karazan

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 4:00 PM

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strong forum So it's not at all relevant for pushing keys these days

(For tanks)

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It’s pretty huge for dps/healers in certain dungeons

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 5:23 PM

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okay, i want to go over this just so i understand the role that i am going to play for these stars after first boss iron dock,
and so this part is listed as3 pulls, which i'd assume you do 3 seperate

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and that would be how you would handle it because fort or bolster or something

mortal brook Sep 24, 2022, 5:37 PM

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what a waste. each star can kill 15 things

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 6:24 PM

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yogi

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fort and bolster has nothing to do with it

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just like i told you yesterday

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just pull the stuff listed in each pull

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hold it still for the star

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then do the next one

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like i told you yesterday

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like

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just watch a video

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or do it yourself

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this is not something that can be explained through text

cinder storm Sep 24, 2022, 7:38 PM

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sick sentinel okay, i want to go over this just so i understand the role that i am going to pl...

If you follow that black line trying to grab adds you are going to have a very bad time on the first pull, just grab the 3 giants and don't worry about anything else as the star will get them

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What you have there is decent with pugs if you don't have a hunter

cobalt seal Sep 24, 2022, 7:46 PM

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cinder storm What you have there is decent with pugs if you don't have a hunter

He isnt doing keys where hunters know WTF to do

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 8:19 PM

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did it on a 15 RN, we beat the timer, i died to a bunch of stuff, bring a warlock for cookies, never pick up or use any cookies., we used hell out of brez though

sonic crag Sep 24, 2022, 8:26 PM

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Wait, people really engage mobs other than the three giants? I line those up for the big wheel and then DPS just waits for the others to pat into line

cobalt seal Sep 24, 2022, 8:55 PM

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sick sentinel did it on a 15 RN, we beat the timer, i died to a bunch of stuff, bring a warloc...

what did you learn from floorpov?

urban portal Sep 24, 2022, 8:56 PM

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bres is a resource meant to be used

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 8:59 PM

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is that some youtuber guy?

grave wedge Sep 24, 2022, 10:03 PM

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Any tips for dealing with a first solo pull in workshop tried it earlier got smashed. I understand that you have to kite them into the explosions but i started running into trouble before they died

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 10:03 PM

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green oozes that die on death? i mean,that too, but explode rather

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if thats the pull, group them all beside pillar and go around before they canexplode, or use CD and or get external CD

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very start of dungeon solo tricku mean?

grave wedge Sep 24, 2022, 10:06 PM

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Yeah thay one haha

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 10:06 PM

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i dunno about that one srry

lofty widget Sep 24, 2022, 10:06 PM

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nothing special to do really, use sw, sr etc, kick the detonates

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 10:07 PM

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those green guys i just talked about hurt this week, or i'm imagining so at the least

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bout to find out 16 workshop, never junkyard

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 10:12 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZqT9lE6S9s&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols @grave wedge

YouTube

Mattacate - The Hex Pistols

How to solo the first pack in Operation Mechagon: Workshop.

This works on any tank.

One thing I didn't mention is that if you trust them, you can have a dps pop an immunity and sit under the mobs when they do this as well. This guarantees that 100% of the rockets will land on the mobs, but obviously wastes a CD and incurs the risk that your dps will screw up.

▶ Play video

cobalt seal Sep 24, 2022, 10:17 PM

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i'm pretty sure yogi is talking about something else

sick sentinel Sep 24, 2022, 10:37 PM

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yeah, i don't do the first pack solo so i have literally nothing to add on that conversation

grave wedge Sep 24, 2022, 11:29 PM

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chrome falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZqT9lE6S9s&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols <...

Thank you. That is literaly perfect sounds like i have people getting too close as rockets were going off all over and thing got down to about half health. Ill be more comunicative on the next pull.

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 11:30 PM

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one think to be careful of

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is that if the dreadlord dies

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and it spawns the broker

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that broker can be targeted by rockets

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:))))))))))))))))))))))))))

grave wedge Sep 24, 2022, 11:31 PM

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Okay so i would stand on him as bestbas possible

chrome falcon Sep 24, 2022, 11:34 PM

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well

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i guess

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but then the rockets won't hit the mobs who are casting

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 12:11 AM

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nice easy

cinder nova Sep 25, 2022, 1:11 AM

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chrome falcon but then the rockets won't hit the mobs who are casting

I hate that they target Kevin.

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Having to tank on Kevin can be annoying if you forget and the little jammy bastard takes no damage

chrome falcon Sep 25, 2022, 1:23 AM

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Oh it’s fucking KEVIN that makes them sometimes troll me

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I did wonder

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 1:35 AM

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u can click it off. i just tried, i bet u could macro /cast banner /cancelaura kevin, for niche moments like that

oblique garnet Sep 25, 2022, 1:43 AM

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chrome falcon Oh it’s fucking KEVIN that makes them sometimes troll me

Why are you wasting banner on that

chrome falcon Sep 25, 2022, 1:44 AM

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I dunno shit hurts sometimes and if I’m not trolling I can keep it up into boss

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It’s probably not worth though

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Good thing I haven’t logged on in a month

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wicked

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 1:46 AM

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it seems like too much risk for menial reward to me but to each their own

cobalt seal Sep 25, 2022, 1:50 AM

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There is no risk

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But on keys you do

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There is also no point in doing it

oblique garnet Sep 25, 2022, 1:52 AM

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Ya

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Wotlk enjoyer

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Dont wanna spoil m+ for df if i buy it

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 1:53 AM

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cro

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if you send in 1 cop into the drug den alone, is that moredangerous than sending in 5

oblique garnet Sep 25, 2022, 1:53 AM

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Is the cop undercover

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 1:54 AM

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i mean, i heard plenty of stories about ppl making meth in trailer/house and blowing up

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that counts as egineer bomb i think

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herbailism to be sure

oblique garnet Sep 25, 2022, 1:54 AM

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Good ol’ moonshining wicked

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 1:55 AM

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solution, don't hang out with ppl who make bombs

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misdirect overpowered

cobalt seal Sep 25, 2022, 2:15 AM

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If ONLY you knew

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keksquad

sullen trellis Sep 25, 2022, 2:42 AM

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hey guys working on prot warrior - wondering if there any good in PVP or should i try out the other 2 specs

undone verge Sep 25, 2022, 3:03 AM

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I know rextroy had an OP Prot and Unholy 2s build, but idk much other than that

cinder nova Sep 25, 2022, 4:08 AM

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Not anymore.

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They nerfed it into the ground. Tier does 25% of its PVE values.

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It still slaps, but nowhere near as hard.

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You gotta actually play to get frags.

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It's great with rot comps, though, because you can glue hard to people and your damage is deceptively high

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Specifically 3s

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Sham/druid + spriest + pwarr is sleeper

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Definitely not like a new worlds meta, but it can get glad

modern brook Sep 25, 2022, 6:19 AM

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sullen trellis hey guys working on prot warrior - wondering if there any good in PVP or should ...

Arms is generally the pvp spec. Tanks in general are not pvp viable outside of wacky tuning, meme strats, and battlegrounds(where vengeance is usually prefered)

hoary hazel Sep 25, 2022, 11:45 AM

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modern brook Arms is generally the pvp spec. Tanks in general are not pvp viable outside of w...

thats only for FC or base defending

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 12:26 PM

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cobalt seal If ONLY you knew

knew what?

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i know everything about everything

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zero

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doesn't matter at all, choose one that you like honestly

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 12:31 PM

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dwarf is probably the best but it doesnt really matter until youre at the 30 keys

lofty widget Sep 25, 2022, 12:31 PM

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doesnt matter in season 4

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theres nothing to use the racial on

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 12:31 PM

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i'd like to back that up but also add dark iron for if you want to be more dps increase than tank

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cuz reg dwarf has a dmg DR which is good

lofty widget Sep 25, 2022, 12:32 PM

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reg dwarf is also more dmg than DI

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 12:32 PM

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cow for cow stomp is good. ummm like, its very hard to go with one race over another

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there is no clear winner

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regular dwarf is more dps than dark iron? i don't see how if you literally get +str instead of +dps, dwarf has something about criticl

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lofty widget Sep 25, 2022, 12:36 PM

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dwarf has +2% crit dmg, but it doesnt matter

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its like 20 dps difference

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 12:38 PM

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see, i think that stoneform is better for like, a monk, or a DK, or something like that

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since we already mitigate massive amounts of phys anyways

tender cove Sep 25, 2022, 1:52 PM

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lofty widget theres nothing to use the racial on

Cow stomp for mass interupt is smt i use several times per dungeon.

shadow haven Sep 25, 2022, 1:53 PM

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So the other day I was told despite stat prio being something like Haste > Vers > Crit > Mast you do want some of the worse stats and not all in on haste and vers but how much exactly? whats a good rule

neon yoke Sep 25, 2022, 1:58 PM

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How much should leech be taken into consideration vs ilvl? I have 304 main hand, but also a 298 with leech for example. I also have hc 291 cloak and belt with leech. Should I work on replacing those pieces asap, or is the leech worth 7 ilvls vs m+ gear fully upgraded 298?

drifting fable Sep 25, 2022, 2:02 PM

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replace them. ilvl/strength > tertiaries

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 3:10 PM

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shadow haven So the other day I was told despite stat prio being something like Haste > Vers ...

Thats what most m+ pushers go for

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 3:15 PM

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neon yoke How much should leech be taken into consideration vs ilvl? I have 304 main hand,...

you could sim them for dps value

chrome falcon Sep 25, 2022, 3:15 PM

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leech is worthless in terms of your decision making for gear

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you're happy its there

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but you should basically ignore it

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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7 ilvl isnt huge, and depends on how much leech you already have and how much value you get from it in m+ for example

chrome falcon Sep 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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7 ilvl isn't huge

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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Well you'd never ever ever drop ilvl on a weapon

chrome falcon Sep 25, 2022, 3:16 PM

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but it's more than leech

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and yeah the idea of dropping weapon ilvl for any stat, let alone a tertiary

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is insane

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 3:17 PM

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wep is also the lowest amount of stats from any piece of gear

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just sim it and do whatever that tells you

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 3:19 PM

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Wep is what decides your dmg

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So no point simming it

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Ilvl upgrade on weapon will always win

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 3:45 PM

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same logic for defensive value withshield

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oh crap no my key went up to 18 GD, this will not end well

zinc shale Sep 25, 2022, 3:52 PM

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gd is easy

mellow bridge Sep 25, 2022, 3:54 PM

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neon yoke How much should leech be taken into consideration vs ilvl? I have 304 main hand,...

never drop ilvl on weap or shield

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for the cloak you could decide based on how much leech you have on other pieces and the cloaks stats

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if it's your only piece of leech, it's w/e

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shouldnt take it probably

tropic gorge Sep 25, 2022, 4:23 PM

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id like to reiterate that dwarf is the best warrior race

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carry on

wind oak Sep 25, 2022, 4:30 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/hellscream-garrosh-gif-22929958

Tenor

blazing condor Sep 25, 2022, 5:22 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-hellscream-gif-22929956

Tenor

onyx vessel Sep 25, 2022, 6:07 PM

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weird

sand drum Sep 25, 2022, 6:29 PM

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sorry friends if this gets repetitive but got LoD shield and sire wep what would you say is upgrade prio (upto 311), feels like this late into patch and soon DF wep is better for lvling ? or how is the state of beta leveling ?

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nothing really hits that hard imo 😦

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Optimising gear for leveling is largely irrelevant as it'll get replaced at the latest after 8 levels by gear you get while leveling

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But generally rygelon weapon and lod shield is what you want to upgrade yes. For leveling you'd want to prio weapon ofc

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 6:39 PM

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sick sentinel

DID is more dps if you are casting fire blood on cd

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else dwarf is more dps

plain flower Sep 25, 2022, 6:41 PM

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https://clips.twitch.tv/CreativeRamshackleBaconANELE-lEIOcAi4Lu14BmmO

Twitch

Tattman - Whirlwind

Watch Tattman's clip titled "Whirlwind"

▶ Play video

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I was told not to use whirlwind as a prot warrior? But tattman uses it?

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 6:45 PM

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285 scars vs 298 codex? dont really need survivability so im thinking why not take scars for primary + all stats + dmg

jagged pier Sep 25, 2022, 6:49 PM

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its also less damage than just play normal prot now

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👍

cobalt seal Sep 25, 2022, 6:58 PM

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sick sentinel 285 scars vs 298 codex? dont really need survivability so im thinking why not ta...

neither would 298 codex be surv

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you actually lose surv lol

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And comparing scars to codex should be a crime

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 7:02 PM

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Scars seems funny

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Taking 20% more damage for fun

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*auto damage

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 7:02 PM

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Uh

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It's 10% auto attack dmg, which prot generally doesn't care about

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But you should look into getting other trinkets like rdm, aegis, ows, soleahs

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To replace scars

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 7:10 PM

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well i, i should do 3 more, see what happens i guess

grave wedge Sep 25, 2022, 7:13 PM

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What race do all of you play those who main prot. I know dwarf is technicaly the best but... Im an orc who might really be a tauren cause i have trouble seeing things.. what do you guys play

sturdy sable Sep 25, 2022, 7:17 PM

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Orc

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 7:17 PM

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just preference really

grave wedge Sep 25, 2022, 7:18 PM

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sick sentinel just preference really

no i know im asking more of a shoot the shit kinda question not a whats best

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 7:19 PM

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I prefer smaller races

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So I've been dwarf and vulpera

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 7:20 PM

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i have no preference outside of dwarf

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if i can't be a dwart nothing else matters and i'll choose the role play element of what im trying to do,

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i wouldn't make a male tauren priest for example

balmy canyon Sep 25, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I think scars is a reasonable trinket for content you aren't taking huge damage on. The 'downsides' aren't huge, the dot is a joke (its like 50dtps as prot), the healing reduction is mostly outwighed by the vers gain, the slow is ignored by banner, and the damage echo isn't really noticable unless you are getting chunked really hard.

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 7:22 PM

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it's literally "keep a renew on me and i'm good" thing

grave wedge Sep 25, 2022, 7:25 PM

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interesting ive never tanked on smaller races but ive dpsed on them. Do you feel an advantage to the smaller fram. Sometimes with everything going on things can be hard to see. I imagine a tauren would block some but also youd never lose sight of him ina clutter

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 7:25 PM

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i play a female nightborne warrior, i don't struggle with visibility

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but i think sometimes it helps your allies to be able to see the tank better which is where it's good to be big

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i am glad i'm not a huge tauren or something in places like grimrail though

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 7:27 PM

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i think the image of a literal bull helps reinforce idea of tank orc the same, undead works sure, but it doesn't inspire the same confidence

onyx briar Sep 25, 2022, 8:29 PM

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Lol, tank raises shield, takes hit, arm falls off...damn corpse rot!

tardy sequoia Sep 25, 2022, 8:36 PM

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any worth?

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strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 8:40 PM

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Offensively yes, defensively no

tardy sequoia Sep 25, 2022, 8:40 PM

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strong forum Offensively yes, defensively no

so in the end it's not worth to swap in place of the 239?

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 8:40 PM

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Defensively not

tardy sequoia Sep 25, 2022, 8:41 PM

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ok got it thanks

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 8:41 PM

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But I would run it over rdm

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Or over aegis

tardy sequoia Sep 25, 2022, 8:42 PM

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but it's still worth to buy old warrior soul in place of decanter yes?

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 8:42 PM

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Ofc

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 8:48 PM

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i wonder if at this point he should just take it for ilvl

strong forum Sep 25, 2022, 8:52 PM

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Ofc

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500 Str proc is massive

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That's 20% dps @ 300ilvl

tardy sequoia Sep 25, 2022, 8:54 PM

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yeah i equipped it

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 9:08 PM

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i'd do rdm + decanter in everything but massive keys

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although get yourself that OWS

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 9:23 PM

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so, does hk8 start on gobbomak this week?

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and are you guys opting to do trixe or gunker first

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 9:29 PM

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i'm pretty out of date but if i can do gunker first i usually do

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 9:34 PM

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it's been a while since i tanked junkyard, im supposed to get to orange pack when the partol goes betwen red and blue gears along this arrow? i think you have to like go in a little hole

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 9:40 PM

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stay to the left i think

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Whats the cookie cutter Reprisal and unity stats? and can I just check that unity is ok on neck?

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 9:52 PM

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Haste/whatever you want really… probably haste/vers if you’re doing big content, haste/crib for damage

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Crit

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 9:53 PM

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thanks

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 9:54 PM

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And yeah you just want both on the lowest budget slot available (assuming you’re getting better ilvl)

mortal brook Sep 25, 2022, 9:57 PM

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@worthy flicker peepoBlush

worthy flicker Sep 25, 2022, 9:57 PM

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@mortal brook peepoBlush

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 10:01 PM

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i can get score from this key, i never ran a junk this season yet so

mellow bridge Sep 25, 2022, 10:02 PM

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sick sentinel it's been a while since i tanked junkyard, im supposed to get to orange pack wh...

a bit above the arrow is a hole in the wall

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you can easily pull the 3 pack out there, then play it outside so you dont accidentally pull the patrol

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then go in, wait for patrol and play that

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 10:05 PM

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theres a small little alcove in that area once you get in, now that i went in to look at it solo

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can just tank them all there

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 10:20 PM

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hey. I just resubbed and Im having some fun tanking. Im Kyrian, but I was wondering what Sould bind and Conduits to get / avoid?
Also what trinkets can I aim for from this rotation of dungeons?

modern brook Sep 25, 2022, 10:22 PM

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(Obligatory play necorlord here)

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Piercing verdict is good

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Basically every other potency is not

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Play Mikey with hammer of genesis and your choice between aj and sof

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 10:23 PM

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👍

modern brook Sep 25, 2022, 10:23 PM

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Unnerving is also mandatory

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The ip one is still trash

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Safeguard and presence are the preferred util options

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The rage gain during ls and sw cdr are preferred endurance

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 10:24 PM

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impending victory is a trap

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because the one beside it is +10% hp all the times

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 10:26 PM

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got it

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poetency is PV and adaptive armour frag?

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oh u said that

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 10:27 PM

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not a trap

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just that indominable much better

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 10:31 PM

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what about trinkets to aim for?

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is anything from M+ good or is it all raid?

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 10:32 PM

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ones with str, theres OWS, RDM, and aegis from the dinar vendors

halcyon pasture Sep 25, 2022, 10:36 PM

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So nothing from M+ then? Im not sure if i will get many dinar

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the one I see is 'Stun Grenade" its an onuse versitility

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 10:44 PM

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Stun grenade is bad

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Well not bad

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Mediocre

undone verge Sep 25, 2022, 11:08 PM

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honestly I was thinking about this, would stun grenade be decent for KT if, and only if, you had it up for every execute phase

mighty valley Sep 25, 2022, 11:09 PM

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Stun grenade would be considered pretty ok if the raid trinkets weren’t bangers

sick sentinel Sep 25, 2022, 11:17 PM

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shouldn't have bumped it down, damn, i went from 1596 to 1796 on this one key lol

urban portal Sep 25, 2022, 11:18 PM

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Stun grenade is like a sigil sidegrade

lofty bridge Sep 26, 2022, 12:20 AM

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So I just got scars to drop for the first time including 9.2. Is there a specific number of runes to go for here or do I just cycle and explode?

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 12:42 AM

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i have one, but i don't use it much

frigid plume Sep 26, 2022, 1:30 AM

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you cycle it continuously, but when the final rune expires it explodes so you want to delay it a little if you have to so it happens during aoe

undone verge Sep 26, 2022, 1:41 AM

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what are we upgrading for the most dps in raid?

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shield, weap, OWS, any other stuff I cant think off

urban portal Sep 26, 2022, 1:58 AM

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undone verge what are we upgrading for the most dps in raid?

weapon>trinkets

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then main stat

lofty bridge Sep 26, 2022, 2:52 AM

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frigid plume you cycle it continuously, but when the final rune expires it explodes so you wa...

Thanks.

undone verge Sep 26, 2022, 3:53 AM

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is the dk mount going away tmr?

devout rivet Sep 26, 2022, 6:01 AM

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Question, I came back after a long break, I only do keystones with my warrior, what would be a good build for it? starting to tank +20s and soon getting higher. Should I use two offensive trinekts like Scars + OWS or at least one deffensive like Aegis or cheat death from KT?

ionic fern Sep 26, 2022, 6:03 AM

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You shouldn't NEED defensive trinkets on those key-levels but you can still use them.
OWS+Aegis is a solid combo.

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What "build" do you mean?
Talent build?

night oracle Sep 26, 2022, 6:07 AM

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so what do u think of spell block

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20s spell immune ?

devout rivet Sep 26, 2022, 6:07 AM

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With build I meant trinket wise, I dunno if I should change anything from the current setup that I have, 3 1 1 1 2 3 1 are my talents and mostly using haste+versa gear, reprisal leggo but I have awful trinkets, stun grenade + so'leah lol

ionic fern Sep 26, 2022, 6:12 AM

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night oracle 20s spell immune ?

#997237573514690620 , it's not "20s spell immune", just DR. It's not good overall- too long of a CD..just a very nieche tool. Could be handy in some encounters which overlap with the CD.
I do like that we have the POSSIBILITY to pick it if needed tho.

ionic fern Sep 26, 2022, 6:13 AM

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devout rivet With build I meant trinket wise, I dunno if I should change anything from the cu...

If you're running NL i'd say use BV instead of BSC.

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OWS/Aegis/Matrix etc are all solid options for trinkets.
Don't overcomplicate it - trinkets won't make or break the key.

devout rivet Sep 26, 2022, 6:23 AM

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I was Kyrian* cuz last week was necrotic and forgot to swap back to NL so I stick with BSC until I change it back lol
but yeah I'm way too overthinking it, I dunno, I'm just scared to reach the point in which I would get oneshooted by something or not being able to last long on big pulls? Ignore my mumbling

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Well I got my OWS upgrade and all that, I dunno if pick Aegis or Matrix next if only we could equip all of them at the same time lol

ionic fern Sep 26, 2022, 6:35 AM

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devout rivet I was Kyrian* cuz last week was necrotic and forgot to swap back to NL so I stic...

Those "one shot" situations are usually just poor play or DPS'ers missing interrupts. The 20 key area shouldn't be too punishing in these situations.

devout rivet Sep 26, 2022, 7:03 AM

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ionic fern Those "one shot" situations are usually just poor play or DPS'ers missing interr...

I was mostly refering to past experiences, haven't found something yet that would kill me with raw dmg to but I guess when I reach the 24~27keys I will try to be more cautious with what I will pull, haven't found a group, mostly been pugging all the way

halcyon pasture Sep 26, 2022, 7:13 AM

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are there training dummies in Maldraxus?

ionic fern Sep 26, 2022, 7:16 AM

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Yes.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lxjKIL1VZDY

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graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 10:57 AM

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hi one Question since raidbots revange and into the frey is better than Boomy voice and revanger. so why we play revanger and boomy voice?

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or is that for more defense?

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 10:59 AM

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booming voice can make banner refreshing easier and its rage gain, mostly choice between BV BSC

jagged pier Sep 26, 2022, 10:59 AM

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how are u simming

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because if its just a standard sim

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thats ST

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 11:00 AM

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i test also hectic add cleave

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 11:00 AM

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bonkcat

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 11:00 AM

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don´t slap cats thatss not funny

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^^

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 11:01 AM

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Just use normal sims

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But 5 targets 1m30

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 11:01 AM

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i tried both normal and hectic add cleav

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 11:01 AM

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Or other values

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 11:01 AM

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on both he told me that into the frey is stronger than revanger

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so is revanger more defens ( becouse of more rage)

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 11:02 AM

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Ravager is better on aoe, and gets better the more targets there are

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Booming voice is better on Single target and helps you manage banner uptime easier

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BSC is more dmg in theory on aoe , but harder to play in practice, cuz banner is all that matters

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Into the fray is played in raid cuz you can guarantee 5 stacks at all times when in m+ you cant

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 11:10 AM

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ok thx a lot for explain

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:39 PM

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So I got another dinar last night. Went to look at what to purchase. My m+ gear is all higher ilvl than anything the vender has for me. What do

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I have the mech shield, the shield from the dinar vender is quite a few ilvl under my current

blazing condor Sep 26, 2022, 12:42 PM

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take a good trink

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:42 PM

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Was considering ows. I have an aegis already. Lucky from the vault iirc.
My other is rds

blazing condor Sep 26, 2022, 12:43 PM

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ows is good

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:43 PM

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The ows is a few ilvl over my rds, but with some Valor it won't be

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 12:44 PM

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Ows is bis

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 12:44 PM

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OWS ilvl is nearly irrelevant

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:45 PM

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Is ows good for arms dps also?

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Wondering if it's a dual use case

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 12:46 PM

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I think, check bloodmallet

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:46 PM

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Thanks. I'll snag up ows and replace my rds with it and see how it goes

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I like the aegis too much to swap it lol

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 12:50 PM

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What is rds?

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OWS+rdm is insane

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I actually went grenade for painsmith, first time I swapped off OWS

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:51 PM

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Reactive defense matrix

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 12:51 PM

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No don’t swap that

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It is actual op

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:51 PM

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Er yeah I just realized I was typing the acronym wrong

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 12:51 PM

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1 mil dam and like 800k healing per run

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:51 PM

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Big ass derp derp

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 12:56 PM

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what is better Solea+OWS or Solea with Granate

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solea is 304 ows on 298/granate even 298

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:59 PM

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Solea= codex?

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 12:59 PM

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Soleahs = soleahs

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 12:59 PM

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O

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Nm!

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 12:59 PM

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And ows+soleahs is better than grenade

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 1:00 PM

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So over the weekend running my arcane mage I ran across an orc thst had the aoe shield wall legendary

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And I gotta say, it ain't half bad for m+ pug life

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 1:00 PM

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......

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 1:01 PM

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I don't think it did any saving of people. But it probably made the healers life easier at some parts

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We timed, so it's whatever. But that's the first I've seen anyone using it

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I also didn't check his performance stats via details to see his block uptime

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I'm guessing it would be have been raited bad, or poor lol

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 1:13 PM

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tropic gorge So over the weekend running my arcane mage I ran across an orc thst had the aoe ...

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i have no yet triedit

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 1:15 PM

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Seems cool from a dps point of view. Probably horrible in output tho

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 1:18 PM

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dammit i nerfed my keytoo much, its a 14 now lol

blazing condor Sep 26, 2022, 1:20 PM

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i member dragon soul tier set for warr

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where that was the 4p effect

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good times peepoHappy

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https://gyazo.com/f8e1552098f36d9c374d3d63b7737e9a?token=d0f757a5bcbd32a975a26c66c361dcd7

Gyazo

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also the 2p was kinda cool ngl

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we incarn now

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 1:22 PM

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Did it stack on revenge spam? Or reset at least?

blazing condor Sep 26, 2022, 1:23 PM

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dont actually remember i was like 12 at the time

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also i think i played rogue and not warr that much

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 1:23 PM

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blazing condor we incarn now

Thats not incarn

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bonkcat

blazing condor Sep 26, 2022, 1:24 PM

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well revenge-spam would be like incarn + thrash

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is my point

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🙂

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 1:31 PM

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It would be somewhat the same

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Except UFR is a flat absorb and not only physical

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seramore

minor helm Sep 26, 2022, 1:32 PM

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sadgers

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 1:34 PM

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blazing condor well revenge-spam would be like incarn + thrash

Hum thrash is a generator rev is spender

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So you would have some downtime to generate for reven

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 1:48 PM

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UW with raven eidiolon, lets go

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nahh that sounds horribl, mastery

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 2:06 PM

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twice more, into hell i go

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if i can get a 15lower and time it, that gives me ksm ican break, otherwise just timeanything tomorrow >>> ksm

cinder nova Sep 26, 2022, 2:25 PM

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tropic gorge Seems cool from a dps point of view. Probably horrible in output tho

It's useless yeah, that guy's inting unless for some reason he's pushing 30s and they absolutely cannot survive certain mechs w/o it.

cinder nova Sep 26, 2022, 2:27 PM

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blazing condor https://gyazo.com/f8e1552098f36d9c374d3d63b7737e9a?token=d0f757a5bcbd32a975a26c6...

I was Prot Paladin back then and the tier was such incidental garbo.

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Still cleared H DW long before the pre-patch, but holy fuck did we have garbage tier that raid.

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I vaguely remember actually targeting the ret 2p for the DPS up but I'm probably misremembering.

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I do remember not giving a shit about tier at all because the stats and itemization for the sake of CTC was horseshit.

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And that brief, brief window that plate tanks used AGI peripherials.

mild palm Sep 26, 2022, 2:41 PM

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Heyo, would you drop stats for leech? Like, my boots are currently haste/vers (lego), just got haste/mastery with leech.

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Thinking of recrafting Unity on neck, reprisal on legs.

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 2:42 PM

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where crit

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 2:43 PM

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i had a shitty vault that made me recraft reprisal boots into legs

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 2:43 PM

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Nah not worth

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You're losing too much stats on legs to have the legendary there

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Legs are literally the biggest stat budget item

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 2:44 PM

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well, okay, if i find some 304 legs, sure

mild palm Sep 26, 2022, 2:59 PM

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cobalt seal where crit

🥺

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:41 PM

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noob tank here

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should i be prioritizing ignore pain or shield block more?

jagged pier Sep 26, 2022, 3:42 PM

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SB if your being melee'd

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:42 PM

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ok and ignore pain for spells?

jagged pier Sep 26, 2022, 3:42 PM

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and to dump rage

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:43 PM

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ok. Is it ok to whirlwind to get aggro on lots of mobs if thunderclap isnt holding them?

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:44 PM

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You never ww

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:44 PM

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oh

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:44 PM

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You Revenge instead of ww

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:44 PM

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You shouldny even have whirlwind on your bars

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:44 PM

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Ww shouldnt even be on your bars

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:45 PM

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ok sorry

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like i said super noob sorry

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removed

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:45 PM

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No worries

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:45 PM

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We use revange

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And clap clap clap

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:45 PM

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i probably just dont have good gear or something yet. I am only level 47

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i just seem to die a lot when pallies heal in dungeons. every other class can keep me up but they struggle a bit

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want to try and make their life easier

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:46 PM

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Och then dont worry about it at all, losing aggro on that level is probably quite normal

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:46 PM

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ok. Trying to be the best tank i can! 🙂

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:46 PM

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Most specs are balanced toward max level

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So on lower levels some lack very crucial talents/abbilities

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:47 PM

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yeah that makes sence

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:47 PM

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I never had a prob with aggro on those lvls

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Revenge and tc

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Did all the work

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:48 PM

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Bro if thats his first toon or something he is probably running in greens from quests while others are running with full looms etc

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Doesnt matter at that level

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Just dont use whirlwind xD

polar girder Sep 26, 2022, 3:50 PM

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ok i wont 🙂 ill just keep working on it

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yeah my gear isnt good im sure i just started playing again lol after a year ish break

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but so much has changed its carzy

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:52 PM

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tight robin Bro if thats his first toon or something he is probably running in greens from q...

My loons werent upgraded lol

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:53 PM

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Cool you are the best tank in the game man. Congratz

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:54 PM

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Like

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What are you talking about

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I just said

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Revenge and tc to get aggro

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 3:54 PM

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is arrow breaker really the bis shield from keys. i feel like some sort of haste would be better no?

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:55 PM

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Bis Shield is 304 or 311 shield

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:55 PM

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grave wedge is arrow breaker really the bis shield from keys. i feel like some sort of haste...

Is there a shield with haste from keys?

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:57 PM

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The stats on the shield dont really matter

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What matter is block

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 3:57 PM

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looking now not sure maybe im thinking of something from last season with a haste state on it,

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:57 PM

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What are you even talking about

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 3:57 PM

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kickjing myself for not taking that shield last week from my chest

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:58 PM

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Dude is asking about bis shield from keys and bis shield from keys is 298

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Bis shield in the game is 311 from lords or generals

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 3:58 PM

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what did you take instead sully

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 3:59 PM

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Probably not sylvanas but well depends what your rest gear is

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But what Cromtion is trying to say is that ilv>>>stats

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And thats true

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 3:59 PM

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tight robin Dude is asking about bis shield from keys and bis shield from keys is 298

My bad vault is no shield zone here

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 3:59 PM

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mellow bridge what did you take instead sully

socket tokens because i thought id be getting the shield alot faster

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:00 PM

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😬

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 4:00 PM

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You also overthinking shields

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Any shield at highler ilvl is bis til you get one

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Vault is vault not a key. You cant farm 304 shields from vault and have no influence (beside the loot spec ) over it

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:02 PM

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i didnt understand how upgrades worked. so i figured id upgrade the one from dreadlords faster than i actually will. So i took tokens over a 290-somthin currently running a 278 i dun goofed

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but at the time i was getting used to tanking and didnt think id be doing 16s 17s so fast so now im on shield hunt mode next week ill have ows

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:03 PM

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are you even mythic raiding?

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:03 PM

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im 284 so any ilvl upgrade is huge im just chasing bis along the way

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:03 PM

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because if youre not, you wont get 311 ilvl shield

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:03 PM

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no so heroic or mythic

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correct

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:03 PM

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which means that 304 shield wouldve been your best pick by far

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:04 PM

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it was not a 304

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:04 PM

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ohh

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:04 PM

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so i didnt mess up thaaaat badly haha i jsust dint think it was a good shield

mellow bridge Sep 26, 2022, 4:04 PM

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if it was 298 or lower it's fine i guess

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just need to grind it out now

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 4:04 PM

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grave wedge im 284 so any ilvl upgrade is huge im just chasing bis along the way

Stop trying to think about a bis list

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:08 PM

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BIS list = Mechagon ring set > rest ilvl

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:12 PM

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cobalt seal Stop trying to think about a bis list

right right but atm im using a 278 shield that i cant upgrade/wouldent waste the token on to do so.
so im gonna be spamming mythic plus for a shield main reason of asking was since im targeting a shield in general it would make sense to target whichever is best for me.

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 4:12 PM

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Just get 1 shield

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:12 PM

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yall cleared it up though ty

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 4:13 PM

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Doesnt matter which one

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:15 PM

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grave wedge right right but atm im using a 278 shield that i cant upgrade/wouldent waste the...

grimrail is best you can get from dungeons

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grimrail shield

grave wedge Sep 26, 2022, 4:15 PM

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oblique garnet grimrail shield

tyvm

minor helm Sep 26, 2022, 4:17 PM

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oblique garnet BIS list = Mechagon ring set > rest ilvl

Bis is whatever late has on 👉 👈

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:18 PM

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minor helm Bis is whatever late has on 👉 👈

nah my gear is bad

minor helm Sep 26, 2022, 4:18 PM

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deadge

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:18 PM

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or well

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i have 1 bad trinket

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and no 311 wep

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 4:20 PM

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I agree with Late - from M+ you can currently get only 3 shields.
garbage shield from junkyard, master>crit from streets and vers>crit from GD.
there is no shield with haster from m+ this season so vers crit is probably superior than other 2

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you can try to get shield from mythic the eye tho - heard people are pugging few bosses on mythic

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or mythic skolex

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those 2 are probably the best ones you can get without a raiding guild

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:22 PM

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tarragrue also drops a shield

tight robin Sep 26, 2022, 4:22 PM

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och yeah sry, i mean tarregrue not the eye

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ur right

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the eye has really nice 1 hand 😛

gritty swallow Sep 26, 2022, 4:24 PM

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Just out of curiosity since I started tanking on warrior like 2 weeks ago what makes the junkyard shield so bad?

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I know it’s only one secondary but the special effect procs off block is it just really under tuned?

oblique garnet Sep 26, 2022, 4:27 PM

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its 1 min icd on the shield

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and it barely does anything

gritty swallow Sep 26, 2022, 4:28 PM

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That makes more sense I didn’t know about the icd

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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so the shield on Junkyard is not good?

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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not really

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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it's good if its your highest ilvl

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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ok than i must upgrade them from Depot

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 5:11 PM

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The worst shield you can get, but better than lower ilvl

graceful cobalt Sep 26, 2022, 5:12 PM

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yeah grim i got on 288 junk i have now on 298

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:12 PM

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graceful cobalt ok than i must upgrade them from Depot

if you get it and it's highest ilvl you use it

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:13 PM

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its bad because you exchange the big secondary stat for a junky shield effect on a 30-45s cd last i checked

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:14 PM

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yogi

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dont

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:16 PM

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i'm not going to call it deadnaming because i think thats stupid but im coming up with som other name than yogi, its not name i've really used for along time come up withit on the spot one day

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:17 PM

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My prob isn't you saying it's bad

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it's you saying big secondary stat xD

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:18 PM

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well it's true aint it?

edgy grail Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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Does prot have something to reduce healing on target? Like mortal strike?

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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no

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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every item you get 2 sets of secondary stats, will be like 80/50

edgy grail Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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lofty widget no

It’s only arms?

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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I wonder why people dont consider mecha rings big

edgy grail Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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Sorry for noob question

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:19 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:20 PM

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and your giving up that 80 crit, to have the mecha shield effect

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its not worth

cobalt seal Sep 26, 2022, 5:20 PM

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I didn't say it was worth

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it's the logic

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if the effect was actually decent

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the secondary stats wouldn't be big

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 5:21 PM

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we died twice to curator again, probably go pug it later

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 5:21 PM

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edgy grail It’s only arms?

yes only arms has an MS effect in pve for warrior

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 5:44 PM

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I'm stuck with the shield from mech atm

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It's the only one I've had drop or vault, and now it's 12/12.

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:12 PM

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is the puddles on curator only damage and nothing else? like it's okay to leave him in them phase 1 or 2 (evocate)

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and, what, if any targeting on the balls in spawns, like they can or cant be taunted, or they just float at random players and we gotta kill em

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:14 PM

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the adds you taunt and kill

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they follow the highest threat

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the shit on the floor is just shit on the floor, dont stand in it

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:17 PM

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Curator doesn't get any buffs or effects standing in his own shit

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If your mele heavy and they are smart (hit it from the back) they may complain about moving him. But ignore them, you'll run out of room trying that

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:18 PM

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he seems to be a bit tricky,

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:19 PM

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He annoys me because he doesn't move properly. His hit box is probably why I have some issues moving him

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:19 PM

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so, the thing where the add stacks up a bunch of damage, thats what wipes us more thananything

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:19 PM

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I'd bet your dps isn't killing them as the boss gets near execute range

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:20 PM

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can we use stuns on it?

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Uh, I don't think so.

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:20 PM

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i may attempt to ghostbusters soul trap it, very doubtful it will go off

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:20 PM

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Dps has to cleave them down or the adds will over run you

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 6:20 PM

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but why, just swap to them when they spawn

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:21 PM

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Indeed. Taunt em as they spawn, heroic throw for good measure as a just incase and keep em nice and stacked for cleave

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:21 PM

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sounds like macguyver plan anyways

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:22 PM

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Your job as always is to taunt and hold them close. Dps has to burn that shit. If your taunting as they spawn and holding em close your job is done my friend

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Curator is still a good check. Esp for a 100 percent pug

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:23 PM

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he's a fucking wall on tyranical

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:23 PM

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Well, at some key or io levels

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:23 PM

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steel brick wall

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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Bring a big daddy warlock

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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sick sentinel so, the thing where the add stacks up a bunch of damage, thats what wipes us mor...

hard focus the adds

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dont stack

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done.

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thats all there is to the boss

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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is majordomo's dinner bell any good for tanks?

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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no

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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so just take sockets instead?

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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yea

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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even for druids?

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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for every tank

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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kk

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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stamina trinkets are generally really bad

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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i see

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codex the only exception this expac

urban portal Sep 26, 2022, 6:26 PM

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a ilvl 400 bell is about as strong as a 278 literallytrash

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:26 PM

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codex is also pretty bad

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its only decently good for VDHs in 28+

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for everyone else its inting to play codex

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:26 PM

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i see

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guess it's psychological that i feel more tanky

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:28 PM

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if anything codex is good for placebo

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 6:28 PM

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would prob be better to just play soleah and old warrior

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:28 PM

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yes

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the thing about codex is, it appears to be better on details the worse you and your group are at the game

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 6:32 PM

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Sometimes on xymox I would stand in the rando lasers to proc my rdm

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Idk if that how it works but it seemed ok

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 6:33 PM

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dropping to 20% procs rdm, yes

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 6:33 PM

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What

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No I never got close

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Doesn’t it proc on damage taken?

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:34 PM

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The method prot war guide says codex is the best trinket in the game "if you're getting hit very hard"

uneven mason Sep 26, 2022, 6:34 PM

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storm isle codex the only exception this expac

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 6:34 PM

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Also can it reflect the “floor damage” you take, back to the boss?

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:35 PM

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takes fall damage
*here boss hold this *

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 6:35 PM

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More like ground effect damage

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 6:35 PM

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I know lol. I highly doubt it tho

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 6:35 PM

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there is a necro thingy that if u take fall dmg it turns into giga absorb

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 6:36 PM

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It just seemed like after I got rdm standing in the floor lasers on xymox went from rough to I think I just procced rdm

urban portal Sep 26, 2022, 6:45 PM

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its on a ppm

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so any random damage can proc it

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whether it reflects to the boss is another question

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now i wonder if hungering destroyer circles lets you do damage to your ally

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since the soak is not from the boss

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 7:04 PM

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its rppm

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so if you didnt proc it in a while

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you should get it the next time you did take dmg

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:16 PM

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not a chance i get a dud vault this time

modern brook Sep 26, 2022, 8:23 PM

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I can't wait to have a better vault Than yogi

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With 4 +2s

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:25 PM

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wokege

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I passed up I think 2 mythic cheat death trinkets

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:26 PM

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mythic raid huh

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:26 PM

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In raid

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I said give ‘em to somebody else I don’t need them

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But because of that I couldn’t zzz for one of our 99 painsmith pulls

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:27 PM

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i fucking depleted my 15 upper just now lol, had to push the 14 and then push the ID

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:27 PM

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Yogi can u just tank for me and we’ll go fast

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Come into my comms

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Never a zzz moment

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I’m full of shit my tank is 2200 I’m as blind as illidan basically

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:28 PM

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garunteed i'll have ksm next week unless total shit affixes

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:30 PM

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It’s v easy

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If you know the route and have some patience you just invite all high io gamers who have timed your key before

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:30 PM

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i have everything except for lower on a 15 on fort

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:30 PM

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It’s a free carry every time

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:31 PM

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lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:31 PM

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Yea when I did mine I had to carry

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I did top dam unfortunately

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And we only timed it by seconds

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:32 PM

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not very often i have trouble where someone joins and then sees oh its me and immediately leaves

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have gotten angry at and to tons of times, but oh wel

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:34 PM

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People target dodge you yogi?

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What have you put these poor gamers through

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:35 PM

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noo, not to my knowledge, very rarely if it does

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we fucked up the key somehow

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99% of times

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:36 PM

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Need to make sure the people you are inviting have timed the key before

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And not like a +2 version of it

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:37 PM

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sure, but its really like check your talents, buff up, hit your buttons look at the screen

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:37 PM

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Nah

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That’s a wrong take

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:37 PM

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nothing hard about it

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:37 PM

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M+ is playing around what will kill you

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You need to know a few of them before you can time a key unless you’re playing your class very well or are an op spec playing your class well

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Like if the dps doesn’t know one thing in a boss fight, dies, causes wipe, and does do carry damage for trash or other bosses. You will never time

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You save so much time vetting your invites even though it take a little longer

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:42 PM

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generally speaking i invite anybody 280+ 1k

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:44 PM

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Just look at raiderio “best for”

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That’s all u need

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:44 PM

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u mean hunter and warlock

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:44 PM

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What?

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No

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The “best for” category

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:45 PM

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just fill the group with hunters and locks and you win

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:45 PM

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It shows the best run of the current key that you are filling

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Or that the party leader is hosting

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:45 PM

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oh, i never heard of that site

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:45 PM

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It’s not a site

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It’s a datapoint provided by raiderio addon

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When you hover over

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Like there’s “best run”

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You know?

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 8:47 PM

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yeah i saw that

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:48 PM

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“Best for” is relevant to the posted key

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Try it out w 1 or 2 groups and tell me how it goes

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Imo it’s only fair if to the tank if you know (roughly enough for a 15 at least) what you’re doing, you should have party members that have proven so too

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And you get more fun comps sometime like shadows or ferals, boomkins, enh, ele

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Like I’d rather it be a tight timer because off meta dps than a wipefest

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I try not to take mages tho unless I have 1-2 premade casters in my group who want the buff

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Pug mages are bad like 98% of the time that is factual science look it up

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 8:54 PM

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sick sentinel just fill the group with hunters and locks and you win

This isn't exactly wrong sadly

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 8:55 PM

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I’ll take a feral that has timed the key over a lock that hasn’t

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Just to proactively remove potential of mental boom mid run

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 9:00 PM

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I've only seen 2 ferals on m+ all of sl

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One during s1, and one a couple weeks ago

mighty valley Sep 26, 2022, 9:02 PM

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i play with a feral healer friend sometimes, it's fun

storm isle Sep 26, 2022, 9:07 PM

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Every druid ive invited hoping its a ranged has been feral

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Prob 4 or so this season

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:10 PM

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Cuz feral is better than boomy

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Boomkin is literally the worst m+ dps currently

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:11 PM

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i had a feral in at least one of my groups recetnly

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no idea if they did well or no

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https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-4/8118337-16-operation-mechagon-junkyard easily the best key i did all week theres a feral in this key

Raider.IO

+16 Mechagon Junkyard (28:29) - Mythic+ Keystone Run

Mythic+ Keystone run on Mechagon Junkyard completed in 28 minutes 29 seconds by Tankian, Aledian, Stálbjørn, Traeborn and Zmithxhunter with affixes Fortified, Bolstering, Quaking and Shrouded

raven hatch Sep 26, 2022, 9:16 PM

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anyone got a decent iron docks route for 28+?

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:17 PM

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Yes but I'm not getting up from bed now medge

gritty swallow Sep 26, 2022, 9:17 PM

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Boomkin being terrible in m+ is what prompted me to gear a prot warrior and I’m having 10x more fun with it because it’s moderately competitive

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:17 PM

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Requires somebody who can pull the gauntlet

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 9:17 PM

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W innit, tell Hunter or Who ever to pull stuff back to stars

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 9:17 PM

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I don't see to many druids at all now that I think about i5

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I'll make it a point to find a kitty in lfg

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:18 PM

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Ya druid is arguably the least popular m+ class currently

lofty widget Sep 26, 2022, 9:18 PM

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Only feral i invited All season outdpsed my usual surv dps Guy gladge

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 9:18 PM

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Not even resto, usually there are tons of treee

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:18 PM

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duid can remove enrage and brez

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that alone is pretty good

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 9:19 PM

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I saw some hunter in workshop 19 over the weekend. Dude pushed 98k dps peak on the first bot pull

raven hatch Sep 26, 2022, 9:20 PM

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strong forum Requires somebody who can pull the gauntlet

link it to me when you're up from bed ❤️

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:20 PM

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I ain't getting up, but generally it's just.

Do the triple pull at start, then invis to boss. Pull until 18% count ontop of first boss

gritty swallow Sep 26, 2022, 9:20 PM

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Soothe and brez mean jack when locks can do 10k more dps then you even when your performing well in higher keys

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:20 PM

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Then do triple ogre + 2 packs in the middle into first star

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:21 PM

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oh well i was also including healer druid too

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those are popular

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:21 PM

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Then do deadeyes + 1 pack on the right + ogron for 2nd star

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:21 PM

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not as popular but tons of resto druids

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:22 PM

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Then you go as a group, go to start of gauntlet kill those 2 packs + 1 mob from the small ogron patrol.

Then you get hunter to pull the gauntlet trash, and the remaining ogron patrol to run into 3rd star

tropic gorge Sep 26, 2022, 9:22 PM

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Rdruid has been hit or miss for me. They are either healing God's and I can't pull enough, or deplete

strong forum Sep 26, 2022, 9:22 PM

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From that point on its just hold W

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:23 PM

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resto druid bad is skill issue

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 9:23 PM

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tropic gorge Rdruid has been hit or miss for me. They are either healing God's and I can't pu...

It’s because some don’t know how nl rdruid works

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Totally

sick sentinel Sep 26, 2022, 9:23 PM

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i trust monk healers the least, but i'm not at all fussy

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 9:23 PM

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Monk healers aren’t to be trusted in m+

gritty swallow Sep 26, 2022, 9:24 PM

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In like +15-19 range it doesn’t matter anyways

lusty tiger Sep 26, 2022, 9:24 PM

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Yep