protection

[trim bay]

/reroll

[sick sentinel]

i prefer boomer voice overall

demo shout is a bit underwhelming without it and borderline broken with BV talented

[undone verge]

Agreed without the rage demo just feels unsatisfying

[gritty swallow]

hello after what feels like the nth time of getting destroyed by zulgamux im begging for any info on how to not get deleted

im pretty new to warrior tanking and i feel like i have to be doing something wrong

[chrome falcon]

if your healer doesn't dispel you you'll die

save cooldowns for high stacks

spell reflect the autos whenever possible

post logs if you have them because you're probably doing a lot of other shit wrong

[undone verge]

how many stacks are you getting

[gritty swallow]

like 6-7 stacks is shredding me

[undone verge]

yeah thats the healer

3 stacks is max

[gritty swallow]

and i mean im poorly itemized but still

hurts

[undone verge]

just make sure you're spell reflecting as well

right after you get dispelled is the best time since if you reflect right before you get dispelled it looses value

[chrome falcon]

6-7 stacks is 100% healer diff

if you hit 4 just tell them to dispel

[gritty swallow]

yeah pugging keys in the +12-14 range is wild

but i cant do higher because im shit gear 😢

[undone verge]

Ikr I’m on my 246 alt and apparently I need 265+ to do a 12

[gritty swallow]

getting declined from 13s on my alt feels wild after doing keys on my main

[undone verge]

I mean its like Ive done 24 fortfied keys, I think I can handle a 12

tyran too

[gritty swallow]

when you +2 and 23 upper on main and get declined from +8 junkyard on the alt

[undone verge]

Anyone who thinks they’re is an ‘ilevel requirement’ for anything below a 15 doesn’t know how to play the game

[gritty swallow]

within reason of course i wouldnt que for a 15 in questing greens but if you have decent gear and can play your class theyre ez

[undone verge]

I mean 15s are doable in 226 anima gear as long as ppl know what they’re doing

I’ve done 15s with a bunch of 226 anima gear, granted back in S3 on a tank I’d never played before

[stable valve]

use all 5 runes or sit at four for keys as protection?

[molten dock]

Yo peeps I’m brand new to prot warriors and tanking in general. I’m coming from 12 years of resto shaman. I’ve been leveling a prot warrior and having fun tanking dungeons. Do you just learn eventually how big of pulls you can do? And how do Prot warriors look in DF with their talent tree?

[undone verge]

learning how big you can pull usually goes pull is too small-pulls bigger-wipes

and thats usually how you figure out how big you can pull

[onyx vessel]

How fast the mobs die feels like they basically insta die pull bigger around dps cds or play it safe

Sometimes pugs pull for you sadly so pull faster

Annoying as it is clean run is all that matters

[undone verge]

the best way to look at tanking m+ is like if you arent using cds, and arent taking dmg you're probably pulling too small

[molten dock]

Hahaha duly noted thank you!

[undone verge]

don't let wiping get to you either, tanking has a nasty learning curve off the bat and pugs are giant assholes who expect you to be perfect

so if you pull to big and someone gives you shit ignore them

[molten dock]

Perfect thank you both!

[undone verge]

oh and df talents are absolutely insane atm but its getting reworked soon so we'll have to see

[molten dock]

Oh damn sweet. I’ll take any benefit I can. Healing got not so fun after a while and tanking has been refreshing to get instant pops into groups. If I can figure out arms better, I’d be down to try that. Fury is super crazy but fun too. Hopefully DF will treat them nicely

[undone verge]

shout out to the guy who left group cause I was tanking a 12 at 246 cause I just 2 chested a 15

[molten dock]

🤣🤣🤣

[molten dock]

Teach me the ways

[undone verge]

basically just have dps that arent bad

like I dont have any tier and im still wearing anima gear

but it dies so fast I dont need to worry too much

[cinder nova]

Yeah, obviously everyone has to pull their weight - no doubt - but DPS times keys tbh

Naturally everyone has a job and pull sizes matter

But as long as you aren't completely baby pulling and things are dropping with big enough pulls, damage is going to be your main limiter tbh

[undone verge]

tanks dont really need gear until like 17s and 18s because before that, as long as your dps do enough dmg, your mitigation, which usually drops quickly at that low ilevel, can last for the entire pull as it dies fast enough

[onyx vessel]

Your group doesnt interrupt does shit dps you gonna have a rough time regardless key level

I g2g my cat is on fire kinda key

[sick sentinel]

Is there a trick to not getting ass raped by missles on medivh

it seems like a total coin flip if you pre reflect it

or just just casts extra other spells for 6s and then you die

[onyx vessel]

Spell reflect

Spam ip

Or interrupt only that one

[drifting fable]

reflect the last tick of the missiles to not get the debuff. other than that ip and rotate cds

[stuck rock]

is there a catch up system for dinars? took a long break and I havent done the quests

[mortal brook]

there is not

[stuck rock]

Ah i hoped it would be in place

then ill have to grind 3 weeks

and you cant pass a dinar between characters right?

[dawn canyon]

Cant move em

However someday all 3 raids will be open

Speeding up thr whole thing

[stuck rock]

ok nice

[dawn canyon]

Theyll announce when that is, currently no word on it however

Assuming prepatch or after another cycle

[dawn canyon]

Ah right that's new from yesterday

[sick sentinel]

my new nectrotic stacks weak aura seems to hsving some kind of noise beeper on it, and i had to change it from "fuck this shit runnn" to "Necrotic stacks getting too high, have to kite soon"

[sick sentinel]

you have OODLES of time

if you just simply jump into LFR, and kill all the bosses for 3 weeks, with the first quest at 0/30 on week 1 of 3, you'll have 3 dinars

[stuck rock]

I cant make sense of that

I can only kill 10 bosses per week right?

So I would need 6 weeks for all dinars

[dawn canyon]

10/11 yea

We took 6 weeks to get ours from Patch start

[stuck rock]

Pre patch is in a month more or less so no matter what I do I have to wait a month to get all 3

[robust quiver]

Dinars are meh without upgrade tokens anyway

Ows Is kinda fine as is tho

[sick sentinel]

.... no?

[grave wedge]

So whats a good number to run out with necrotic. New to tanking keys and i know as i practice and gear ill get better but im sure there a soft cap where your just stressing the healer out lol

[sick sentinel]

3 weeks, i just literally said that, and thats how long it took me to get 3 dinars on my mage

and why i have a barghast's leash on my warrior, cuz i figured that it was ending at end of 3 weeeks

1 time only thing

figured, ah, i'll just farm out transmog later, play with this crap thing nobody ever uses, din't read the fine print regarding dinar availability.

[strong crescent]

Hey, what is the ideal up-time of Shield Block and Ignore Pain should I be aiming for?

[dawn canyon]

You wanna aim for blocked hits and Banner uptime

[lofty widget]

theres no magic number, probably 30+ you can start thinking about dropping stacks but most pulls you could go to 50+ cause our mitigation is just so high

[grave wedge]

thank you that's actually what i was thinking, ive noticed sometimes im able to handle 50 with ease other times at 30 it starts to hurt. Im currently using weak aura so i can see stacks easier but it tells me to run out at what i feel is way to early around 17 or so ive been experimenting with different mobs pulls. i think ill change its settings to alert me at 30 and see how that feels

[robust quiver]

it really depends on the damage you are taking. Remember that damage you take while ramping up necrotic becomes more and more hard to heal. Frontload defensives so that once you hit an high stack count you are still high health and can kite and reset without stressing the healer

that's my 2 cents at least

[sick sentinel]

not about SB uptime, because you still have to use it at the correct times, when you are taking melee hits specifically, and you also have to be facing the target to block

i'm pretty sure if you loss of control of character, you stop blocking too, even if your slated to block next attacks, someone can confirm.

so, rather, its about making sure you are blocking as many things as possible, example, there is only 1-2 mobs left of a pull, and they are just sitting there casting ice bolt and shadow nova over and over to try to kill you, you don't really need SB there

[grave wedge]

That makes alot of sense when you say it like that. defensives are kinda wasted if im not the hits blocking hits. Thanks you guys i really appreciate the help. keys definitely offer some unique challenges.

[sick sentinel]

i would say, admit that it exists at like, 16, thats when mines set up by default, and then be ready to make a plan to run at 30+, run at 35 to 40 +

[oblique remnant]

Hi would just like confirmation OWS is BIS for m+?

[lofty widget]

ye

[stuck rock]

But the math doesnt check out, the first quest is 30 kills which requires 3 resets

[sick sentinel]

maybe i thought it was 2 weeks? and you had to do all the kills in 2 weeks? i can't remember how i worked it out

[sick sentinel]

What do I go for if my warrior is a rat without dinar for ows/aegis, the usual soleahs+stun grenade? Or is there some juicy warrior tech hiding somewhere

has a chance to drop at high ilvl from raids

if the raid in question is fated, you just go in and kill the boss you need

[mellow bridge]

it's 30 15 5 kills

unless there's some sort of catch-up now but I havent heard anything about that

[sturdy sable]

Nope no catch up

[oblique garnet]

What

No

[sick sentinel]

so, what is it thats gunna nuke me on medivh

i've fought him in the past and he hits like truck, i know some of sthe spells you have to kick

and then i think you guys say reflect when missiles is about to end

fought him multiple times last week and i dunno if it was just grevious, but he completely evaporated our group in seconds multiple times

[drifting fable]

the thing that kills you specifically the most is arcane missiles. you will want to use a cd every time and try to maximize IP shielding during the cast, but you pretty much have to ensure that it never completes the cast either by kicking it at the end or reflecting the last tick so you dont get the damage increase debuff. everything else is kinda on dps kicking and not fucking up flame wreath

[gaunt ocean]

Is good neck??

[cursive prawn]

someone ran it in a 29, so I guess yeah

[lofty widget]

the effect is useless, secondaries are meh as well

[gaunt ocean]

Will upgrade and try it out

[cursive prawn]

maybe run it with codex for maximum reflected damage

[gaunt ocean]

Could be a pretty strong combo tbh

[strong forum]

its free damage

but not a good neck perse

[pallid quiver]

I love how the 68 damage doesn't scale at all

[gaunt ocean]

Oh is it the same as the ilvl 50 version from back in legion?

[pallid quiver]

It stays 68 damage, no matter the ilvl

From what I remember, it also had the same issue in Legion where the effect didn't scale

[strong forum]

if they made it scale with ilvl it would be like 300

[pallid quiver]

yo if it was 300 at least it would like, almost be tclap base damage or something

What's tclap do, anyway? Like 500? sure as hell feels like it

shout outs to the "i dont wanna press tclap" gang

[strong forum]

does like 2k but yea

[pallid quiver]

damn
My non joke guess was gonna be 2.5k

even worse than i thought

[sick sentinel]

do the birds do anything special medivh

[dawn canyon]

Kill your dps

That's what they do

[patent gorge]

Kick and reflect their cast at least the 1st and 2nd have kicks come back up for medivh fighting the 3rd I usually will rally that intermission

[charred ivy]

quick question. is Fusion hacker any good? vs statted one

[sick sentinel]

i have a very strong suspicison that my 18 upper is going to explode into fiery pieces somehow

[mellow bridge]

if it's lower ilvl no

if same ilvl, it's usually a bit better in ST and a bit worse in AoE

but you can sim it

[patent gorge]

Just run the upper and log it. If it falls apart just see what can be improved on. That’s what I do. Just let it rip and learn from the mistakes

[charred ivy]

kk 🙂 but not worth spend valor then i guess xD ill go for statted as i do mostly m+

[ashen sigil]

In M+, is it ok if I use Reprisal only with Intervenes on melees and the "emergent" Charges, and not game the system by jumping out and charging in? There is a lot of things a newbie like me to track in combat, so I feel overwhelmed with Reprisal optimization

[pallid quiver]

Jumping out and charging back in generally costs you at least clipping a global, anyhow. You normally run a bit away from a caster and charge that

[ashen sigil]

I got it. So is it OK, or should I switch for now to an easier leggo like Wall?

[chrome falcon]

worse legendaries aren't easier

if you want to make things easier, just get better at the intended setup

there's nothing easy about tanking unblocked melees

but yes, a non-optimal reprisal is still better than the wall

[ashen sigil]

Got it, thanks.
Also, which addons should I use specifically as a tank? Besides the normal cooldown tracking ones and putting HP/rage in an easy-to-look-at spot

[cinder nova]

Reminder that high key does not equal high smarts.

[ashen sigil]

Sorry for asking such stupid questions, playing a tank feels hard to me

[cinder nova]

And no, it's dogshit. Crist/Mast is poopy for the trivial damage you get from choker.

[dawn canyon]

Nameplates matter

Just set it up so u can see threat

[ashen sigil]

Yes, I already did it, it's useful

[cinder nova]

That said, using choker or not is largely... trivial? At +29 your personal play is gonna be a way more important metric than a shitty neck.

[pallid quiver]

Specifically for Prot Warrior, you should grab one of the outburst tracker weak auras from the pins. It makes it much easier to prevent yourself from overwriting an outburst and helping you spend it on SS instead of TC

[ashen sigil]

Got it, thanks.
Also, I heard that in the big keys you need to use some route addon to follow, is that correct?

[pallid quiver]

Other than those, those are the base reqs, and you can add on to thise as you need. Tracking DPS cds can sometimes be useful

That'd be MDT, Mythic Dungeon Tools, but it's not technically necessary
it just lets you pre plan routes, check counts, and check all mob abilities, not just bosses

Routes are often dynamic depending on cd timing, anyhow, so it's best to use it as a starting point

[ashen sigil]

Understood, thanks.
And another noobie question. If there is a pack with multiple casters spread out, what can I do to get them together and keep aggro other than just kicking one? On DK I can grip, on DH I can silence

[pallid quiver]

Cry i guess

[ashen sigil]

That seems like a very important step, I'll try not to forget it ;-) Thanks

[pallid quiver]

This is assuming using LOS is not an option

Otherwise los them

[ashen sigil]

Got it, thanks

[bold nimbus]

[sturdy sable]

Just use gag order

Oh wait

[sand drum]

evening friends, this a big curse in PUGS :C

[dawn canyon]

Based

[sand drum]

but WHY is this a thing :C ? just remove it from game 😛 its like playing agi trinkets

[cobalt seal]

were you the pwar?

[sand drum]

ive posted about this befor and no I was not warr in this case ;>

[cobalt seal]

pls tell me you were playing resto

[sand drum]

@cobalt seal :>

played sham in that screenshot

[cobalt seal]

shaman is okay. if you were playing boomie I would lose respect

[sand drum]

trolling around playing vampire so xD

[cobalt seal]

respect was lost today

[sand drum]

meh just doing 15-20s :/

[cobalt seal]

play feral!

[silver narwhal]

So, I dinged 60 on my Warrior - and I reached iLvl 260 from legendaries, ZM and the Auction House.

I'm having trouble understanding the rotation and the cooldowns. When do you use Ignore Pain? Do you use Shield Block on CD? Seems to be a lot of Revenge spamming to not overcap rage.

And how'd you use the CDs? Protection seems to have a lot.

[trim bay]

Re roll dwarf. Use racial. Never move

[pallid quiver]

IP to avoid overcapping, Shield Block whenever you're being hit and it's not up, Revenge is your default rage spender so you don't need to press IP because that button sucks to press

Last Stand only ever used while Banner is up, and when banner is up, send it on cd

Avatar, send on CD

Ravager, send on CD

Demo Shout, send on CD

Shield Wall

actually not in cd whenever you're gonna take a lot of damage, but as close to on cd as possible since it only has like a minute and a half cd with AM

[trim bay]

You definitely press IP

[pallid quiver]

That should be the basics. I recommend checking out Mwahi's guide on Icy Veins

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, to avoid overcapping

you end up pressing it like 10 cpm bare minimum as a result

its not something you press otherwise because it doesnt reset shield slam and its gonna be up anyways

[lament cargo]

hey i need a big brain on this one : i've a question on the 1st talent

I tried to play with devastator as a lvl 15 and the auto attack didn't proc the shield slam

its seems like we are baited by the rank 2 of shield slam who said : devastate have 30% chance to reset cooldown of shield slam

but the 1st talent doesn"t work at all when i play a lvl 15 warrior with the 1st talent the 20% chance to reset shield slam isn"t working

because all of the auto attack proc devastate so we only proc 30% the shield slam rank 2

[pallid quiver]

I have barely any idea what you're saying, but you need that next rank of SS to get SS resets if that's what you're asking

[lofty widget]

devastator talent doesnt work until lvl 28 when you unlock shield slam rank 2, it's a known "bug"

[lament cargo]

so my guess is the devastator tooltip when you have 20% to reset shouldn't be there

[lament cargo]

okk so its been a long time since its bug ?

[pallid quiver]

It requires devastate to be able to reset SS, since it outs devastate on your autos

It's only a bug in the sense that it's assuming your max level

[lofty widget]

sure but it also doesnt matter. pick one of the other 2 talents until you reach lvl 28, it works as intended at max lvl

[lament cargo]

it doesn't work as intended

the talent and the rank 2 of SS is 2 differents thing

i should have 20% from the auto attack before i pick the talent

and 30% on SS when lvl 28 i've SS rank 2

it seems that everyone is baited by SS

because every auto attack proc devastate

so the proc is only from SS

as a lvl 15 i don't have SS rank 2 only the talent

so the probability that my auto have a chance to reset is only 20%

but i'm hitting the dummy for 2hours and i got 0 proc

[dawn canyon]

You could also just level for 2 hours

And then have it work

[lament cargo]

ok you don't get it whatever x)

[dawn canyon]

They already explained it

If your SS cannot reset, adding a chance for it to reset doesnt work, until it gains the ability to be reset

[lament cargo]

sure but thats kinda stupid as a tooltip but i get it

[dawn canyon]

It is weird yea but not majorly impactful

[lament cargo]

sure its whatever but i was surprised

[modern brook]

I'm going to assume you're new to wow

"Tool tips are wrong" is not news

[mortal brook]

@tired lion CONGRATZ??

[high cove]

shield block doesnt appear in healing done or damage prevented or anything

how do I judge how good i performed

[undone verge]

check buff uptime

[pallid quiver]

Log and check percentage of melee hits were blocked

You want it to be above 80%, though if you're starting out 70% is fine

[trim bay]

would anyone run choker of barbed reins over cobochon. crist mastery over haste vers. its just the choker has leach on it.

leech

[tardy lantern]

not really (unless choker is higher ilvl). the dmg proc is pretty meaningless and while the leech is nice to have, id still rather have better secondary stats.

[undone verge]

you ever tried doing mythic inerva while not knowing the tank mechanic lol

lets just say until we wiped at 20% I had the 100% healing parse by 2k lmao

[rocky kraken]

is leech or avoidance better? i have both on pants but idk which one to use

[undone verge]

leech most likely

but its minimal

[trim bay]

i have the shield from Grim rail and the one from Workshop. but the workshop one has leech. is that worth equiping over the GD shield noting i loose the vers/stat0

[undone verge]

are they the same ilevel?

[lilac bloom]

i wish our leggos have higher ilevel.. all thats low in my gear is just the leggos

[trim bay]

yues

[trim bay]

yes

[undone verge]

then its probably better to go with the GD one

[trim bay]

kk

[tardy mural]

What's the best place to get MDT routes for new tanks ?

[strong forum]

That choker does 15 dps... So no, I would never run it over a haste neck

[trim bay]

@strong forum thanks man. What about the GD shield and WS shield. Same ilvl but ws had leeh

Leech

[strong forum]

GD

[thorny stone]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7rtAQjDk21BCNYqz#fight=10&type=damage-done&source=2&ability=368642

Can someone tell me how this warrior managed to get the final rune on first pull on m+

[cobalt seal]

BLIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

okay I thought it was something

but it isn't

he didn't cast it at 13s

my working theory is stack to 4 before pull

when pull is at 1s

use final rune

and somehow buff doesn't vanish

[echo canyon]

im not sure what trinket i should play aegis or matrix ..

[lofty widget]

well are you doing 28+ keys?

if not then rdm

[echo canyon]

ok

[sick sentinel]

i asked about this shit like, 3 times and people always told me "you can't, it's like lust"

so, fuck it, i never bothered attempting it again, despite owning and having used one

also, i'm not a huge fan ouf how its effectively a 2.5min cd for , uh, 1 x 50k? aoe blast, the buffs are nice but you get side effects that even it out

[strong forum]

its 1x 50k uncapped

so it can be 700k if you plan it properly

[grave wedge]

its actually been on my mind with some of the other racials but then i need a server swap and everything currently horde on 52 so if i go ally im jumping the boat

[strong forum]

and on average itll be like 200-300k per final rune

[sick sentinel]

i watched somebodies YT video recently and they said it was all about how you have to use all your CD's to make the big damage, and he was comparing it to how in the past the damage WAS the button,.

and i think, im not sure, that i agree with what he says there

[grave wedge]

So i know they're no real truthful answer and it depends on the group but what do you guys think is a solid ilvl to tank 15s, necrotic has been hit or miss with some healers and im just trying to work my way up carefully im at 277 stuck with with soleas and remote guidance for trinkets

seems like the 8 to 14 bracket is crazy with skill gaps highest ive done was an 11 one was cake the other was not

[sick sentinel]

ah, so its 50k to each? well, that makes it a bit better i suppose (@285ilvl) see i often have a hard time telling too how the damage gets split with mutiple targets, say, death and decay, consecration, i dunno, just 2 random abilities, and those may say like, fuckin, deals 69,420 dmg over 7 seconds to all targets within 7 yards max targets 7 and then it means it takes 69,420, and divides that up by 7 targets, then over 7 seconds and its only doing like 800 dps now, so its actually useless to cast it here

and then other times, it has a similar thesaurus checking wording of effect on another ability like scars, and so it does 50k to each.

[strong forum]

with 277 you should be comfortably able to 15s

my rule of thumb for key is for normal groups is
"whatever the key level drops -10ilvl is a solid starting point for doing the key"

[sick sentinel]

if you are depleting 15's at 277, somebody, is playing incorrectly or not up to snuff terms of dps heals or speed, whenever you are certain your doing most things you can do avoid excess damage on your self as tank

[grave wedge]

yeah ive been working my way up but i started to see crazy gaps between 10 to 15 like struggling to survive with 16 stacks requiring me to call out the healer, then others ive done 50 plus stack drop just fine. i try not to blame the team unless i know im 100 percent in the clear so 277 is deff not to squishy

ty

[strong forum]

ya if youre struggling with 16 stacks theres 100% something going wrong

[grave wedge]

yeah blew my entire load and then had to call out the healer it was the first two pulls on streets

he got it together after and we did fine

[strong forum]

first pulls of streets are just tough

[lofty widget]

thats probably just hard light batons not being dispelled

[strong forum]

youre not a bdk that doesnt care about anything

[sick sentinel]

just double check your routes, double check trash/boss abilities etc etc, and most of all don't be afraid to ask really dumb question if you die and you dont understand why,
take leadership if nobody else in the party else is willing to, always need fearless leader or it all falls apart.

[lofty widget]

routes dont matter just hold w

[sick sentinel]

lower would like to have a word with you in private

[grave wedge]

truth trying to be a friendly tank not a toxic one

[sick sentinel]

kara is almost BRD-esque to me

[lofty widget]

lower is big, but still fairly linear

[sick sentinel]

very easy to get lost if i hadn't done in in TBC original

like, i would not blame a new player AT ALL for getting lost in m+ kara runs

yeah, and don't take sides unless you have to if inter-group fights break out between dps pugs Moron#1: "yeah well u didn't interupt shit" Moron#2 :"yeah well i have 7k more dps overall than u"

someone gets feelings hurt that way

[cobalt seal]

you need to exit the key

during the 10s

so the buff stays

[sick sentinel]

i tend to only run my own keys these days and so, seeing as how i have to put the key in the font, which is inside of the dungeon.... rip....

[cobalt seal]

?

you can place the key and leave

o_O

[wise vessel]

How do you not get lost in the sheer amount of buttons you need to press (new to prot tanking)

[cobalt seal]

you go to a target dummy and get used to them

[sick sentinel]

im confused by what you are saying, are you saying if i go to ID and 3 people have ID 5 10 and 15 to make things simple, i have 5, i put it in and then someone else can click my 5?

so that i can go outside for 10s to allow my self to have 5 rune buff

[cobalt seal]

No

[lofty widget]

you know those 10 seconds after you put the key in? thats when you leave the dungeon

[cobalt seal]

this

[grave wedge]

id level up a prot warrior, its how i became a great tank back in wrath through legion. then i stoped playing warrior and they added ignore pain and mytic plus so ima scrub again lol

level through tanking

[wise vessel]

I’ve been playing arms for so long, I just thought about playing prot recently and I tried to do it in torghast but I got so lost in my rotation lmao

[sick sentinel]

i thought it instantly takes away your lust first frame of hitting the red button to start key

[wise vessel]

I’m not exactly sure which buttons to prioritize (currently working on reading through guides)

[sick sentinel]

sounds overly complicated for me though and im currently using OWS/RDM (fated dinar)

i'd have to see a video demonstration explaining how to do it to understand it.

[cobalt seal]

what's hard to understand

before 1s of key starting

you press scars to get final rune

key starts

you walk out

[sick sentinel]

i can't visualize it or something

[cobalt seal]

depending on pc

wait a bit

walk in

enjoy the buff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick sentinel]

back in like 200X appropriately, whenever i was doing attempts speed running megaman 2, that was the point where i gave up was when i discovered, essentially, the only way to get a good time, is to do glitches, zips and such, summoning salt on youtube just did an entire video on what goes into it this month,

[broken crater]

buffs get removed when the key bubble after the 10s window

the idea is to pop the rune

[sick sentinel]

and so, similiarly ,thats about where i quit with buffs and tricks and such on wow,

[broken crater]

zone out of the dungeon during the 10s

then go back in when the 10s passed

because only when the bubble fades and youre present in the dungeon, your buffs get removed

same trick as in s2 when you could keep NW weapons when zoning out

[sick sentinel]

asmongold "i can't imagine being excited about running NW 17 for my 14th time this week" s1 of SL

[broken crater]

relevance? 🤔

[sick sentinel]

that sounds like the kinda scenario you'd do something like that in use some cheese like that, is if your farming out some OP NW trinket/weapon

[cobalt seal]

what are you trying to say exactly?

[broken crater]

...no this is for pushing keys

[sick sentinel]

i like just hitting buttons and holding W and not worrying about over complicate dungeons

[cobalt seal]

it's not complicated

it's a 3 ez steps

[wise vessel]

You also don’t have to do it if you don’t want to

Don’t think anyone is forcing you to

[cobalt seal]

that

[sick sentinel]

so, okay, what are the ideal dungeons to target practicing this on then? like one you'd get say 5 mobs in first 30 seconds

[sand drum]

so friends I got LoD shield (hc) and RDM + OwS (hc) wondering what upgrade prio is ? shield cus of block value or how are we thinking ?

[strong forum]

shield is your most important item when it comes to tankiness

[sand drum]

weird since he told me to upgrade trinkets 🤔 and he plays prot pally

but thx nom ;>

[strong forum]

ya cuz hes a pally

shields for them are like 40% less important than they are for us

[south zealot]

ye we block literally every hit

if you play it right ofc

so the block has wayy higher value

[lilac hill]

What is the best way to handle Attumen’s Shared Suffering as prot warrior. On Tyr, mortal strike then shared suffering isn’t easily soakble with shield wall and IP alone

[strong forum]

You should have heroic leap for every single one

[rocky kraken]

do you use sharping stones or oil for weapon?

[lilac hill]

My issue was he just recasts it when I leapt out. If kiting it is the better play than solo soak, I’ll just have to figure that out. (I think darkmech has a video on kiting it)

[lofty widget]

he phases at full energy so you need to watch that

but you can leap+intervene/just run away and its usually fine

[strong forum]

Stone

40% movspeed is enough to run out of shared suffering

So banner + maybe 1/2 speed gems should do the trick to be able to outrun it

[wise vessel]

What exactly is the timing for moving out of it

[lofty widget]

theres no timing, but obviously later is better

[wise vessel]

Well is it like

Before the circle appears?

[lofty widget]

you jump out before he finishes his cast

as late as possible

[wise vessel]

I see I see

Been trying to lifegrip tanks out of it as a priest

Could never find the right timing

[rocky kraken]

@strong forum what was your IP macro you were talking about on your stream the other day? also how many SS do you avg a dungeon?

[strong forum]

its just
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
to replace your regular IP bind, NOT your SS bind

and i average 500 to 700 SS per key, depending on duration of key ofc

[keen epoch]

what is that supposed to help do, just miss less ss procs?

[strong forum]

yea

it saves a few hundred milliseconds here and there

just from reaction time and general finger movement

[keen epoch]

do you also have one on sb? then or just ip

[strong forum]

only IP

cuz you only press IP when you want to dump rage, right? so it just shaves off a tiny bit of downtime and can obv also just snipe procs

[keen epoch]

makes sense

yo this modular platinum plating trinket looks like so bad

[strong forum]

cuz it is

[keen epoch]

what even is that lmao

[sick sentinel]

wait, i can shattering throw zulgamux life drain?

this didn't occur to me till now, i don't often press it

[strong forum]

doesnt do a whole lot of damage, is fine but nothing relevating

its like 30-40k dmg for a 1.5sec cast

[sick sentinel]

im watching a YT video and he claims you can just use it to 1 shot some drain life bubbl

sounds lik zulgamux to me

[strong forum]

but you cant

its not a magic immunity

its just an absorb

shattering throw only does 300% increased dmg to absorbs or breaks magic immunities

it doesnt just 1shot every absorb

[rocky kraken]

is merciless bongrinder any good on prot?

[sick sentinel]

guy who did the video was maz and this was in august 7th

[strong forum]

no

idk who maz is, and hes just talking out of his ass

https://i.imgur.com/77wsmx5.png

[sick sentinel]

he says you can do it once per dungeon ish on a mini boss that casts blood siphon nvm hes saying like 50-60% of the bubble on a 15 to 17

[dawn canyon]

Meh i wouldnt do it

Cast time is like 3 globals cba

[sand drum]

so a raiding Question:
Safeguard or Inspiring Presence ?
(solo warrior in my grp)

[sick sentinel]

and he says to do it on second one because the dps will use CD to kill first bubble

[dawn canyon]

For raid you want Rally conduit

[vestal moat]

If we use scars r5and walkout before the key starts can we change to a different trinket when we do so and keep the buff?

[strong forum]

idk bout that

pretty sure any kind of buff disappears if you unequip the item

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[sand drum]

is there a way we can do glyph + seeds on xymox mythic ?

since atm I just do glyph as my co tank is Gdruid

[strong forum]

well whichever tank isnt tanking rn can just do a seed

[sand drum]

oki thx nom

[somber sky]

for a sec i read, "oki thx mom"

[wide charm]

dps-wise only, in keys is BSC more dps than BV ?

[urban portal]

dont think so

not unless you pull huge

and you also have to play very well

[chrome falcon]

BSC is very marginally better on high target aoe if you can already keep up banner without the BV rage

so

just play BV

[tardy sequoia]

is it better to go right or left in tazavesh streets?

[sand drum]

<----

imo

[tardy sequoia]

in routes it's always written to go right but my guildies say left so I've come here to ask

[cinder storm]

I prefer right, lust aligns better and you can get more infiltrators by the time you engage the 3 bosses

Left is doable in high keys too, but right is where the fun is at

[chrome falcon]

right is much smoother

the only concern with right is that if you stand in a thing on the ground you drop all aggro and everyone dies

but just don't stand in teh thing

[sick sentinel]

i used to go right side all the time now i probably go left

left is better imo cuz you can start RP for mai after first 2 bosses, go right, your commiting like, whatever time the trash pull takes, left just cleaner imo

[cinder storm]

I've eaten that two times at least, mainly when hunters drop their covenant, it just looks the same until it's too late to react

[warm plinth]

Left is certainly more pug friendly

[pallid quiver]

I mostly pug, so I default left

Less bad things happen over there for whatever reason

[warm plinth]

Less mobs, less interrupts to do, less mechanics to fail lol

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet hi friend, hope you're having a wonderful day

[oblique garnet]

[thick inlet]

what shrouded buff do you take as prot

[cobalt seal]

haste

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth morning, ily.

[warm plinth]

❤️

[blazing condor]

[uncut dome]

Is revival being removed for DF?

[pallid musk]

Have a such fun tanking Sire /SLG yesterday as prot

Its just romanina Massace / strike line killed me 1 but group fails on cabalist or early death in p1 was most holding back

And i laughed when someone droppes orb near Sire in p3 (hc)

Went to soak it and then he cast his red circle bomb and the orb is far too near Sire so nobody want kms to save the raid = boom raidwipe 🤪

[strong forum]

A classic

[pallid musk]

Best pull went 4 % and i was last alive

Yeah classic

[uneven mason]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[cinder nova]

You can casually sit in Hand of Destruction with IP and SR if you have to soak Fatal Finesse

Both tanks can, tbh

[summer glade]

anyone feel me when I say that my #1 argument to not play prot is t hat thunder clap doesn't sound like I remember it

[uneven mason]

I don't feel you

Because I don't think of reasons to not play prot

[mortal brook]

Node with a non mass dispell alternate

[sick sentinel]

was it just grevious last week in upper that made it hell?

boss 1 and 2 were huge walls for me in upper last week.

[uncut dome]

Ah cool

[sick sentinel]

i'd say either consecrate could cast this effect, or, concentration aura (while aura mastery is active maybe it casts dispell on random players each 2 seconds)

[dawn canyon]

Upper first 2 are big walls on tyran regardless

[sick sentinel]

how viable is this for curator

blu first wave, green, red

[strong forum]

That's the current strat for regular groups

Or well, each person picks 1 spot

Nobody stands ontop of each other

Then each time he drops the poop you all move 1 spot to the side

[modern brook]

I legit read that photo for like 3 minutes trying to understand the meme before I realized it's a diagram

I wouldnt have it any other way

[sick sentinel]

i have 18 upper in bags, but last week upper grevious has given me vietnam war flashbacks

[uncut dome]

I am legit hyped that reprisal kinda isnt gonna be that insane in df i kinda dislike the playstyle 😅

[strong forum]

reprisal is bad cuz your survivability depends on it

but reprisal is good in terms of min maxing dmg output

[shut summit]

yee im fine with minmax of charging, but block making it required is what sux

[urban portal]

the wall is too much maximization for me

[uncut dome]

Very very valid and good point though!

[sick sentinel]

DAMN half of NA wow servers down rn lol

[mellow bridge]

NA Lbozo

[glacial swift]

is SFA a good trinket to have for prot warrior in m+ ?

[dawn canyon]

Doesnt do ANY aoe whatsoever

No defensive benefits

[jagged pier]

its our best ST trinket

for damage

[sick sentinel]

is there any place that shows all dinar purchases on 1 page

int agi

[vestal moat]

Is Scars a total meme for high keys? I have one more Dinar and thinking of buying it .
My thoughts are the bleed and slow are negligible with banner and I have a lot of leech.
Question is whether the healing reduce and replicated damage is really noticeably bad.

It would replace OWS in my build, probably keeping RDM on. or maybe pair it with OWS for low content.

[urban portal]

the replicated damage is decently bad for tanks

since you are just literally taking 20% more melee damage

but prot wars take least melee anyways

[sick sentinel]

yeah no, SFA is bad

[urban portal]

hard tosay

[vestal moat]

I was afraid of that. like is it mitigated again or no.

[urban portal]

no

SFA being bad is a strong word

[sick sentinel]

its kinda okay for warrior dps spec, but its based on auto attacks so its probably better for some dual weildy boy

[urban portal]

thats

false

its only based on crit/haste/vers

arms warrior proc it just as well as rogues

nothing about dual wielding

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if its any good with seismic build, revenge probably counts as attack each right

[urban portal]

again

it does not matter how many times you press buttons

you get 20 procs a minute

20*(1+haste)

thats it

you can hit 100 mobs

or 1 mob

and you will proc the same amount

[sick sentinel]

for 20 seconds and then you are back to getting nothing

[urban portal]

ok

so is sigil

so sigil is a bad trinket now?

[sick sentinel]

if i can get it later at a reasonable itemlevel sure

i'll try it, seems like versa boy stuff

[urban portal]

yogi if you dont understand what you are saying

probably for the best to not say it

its one thing to not understand, its another to mislead people

[mighty valley]

obviously just simmable but dropping OWS for Scars sounds insane even before the drawbacks

but idk, maybe if you put the work in to line up final runes with the right pulls? sounds like a headache

[urban portal]

too much headache, lack of main stat, etc

[sick sentinel]

well, i don't think SFA or sgil are particularly amazing for prot, or other warrior specs dps, but i think they'd be okay, at best, (not good, meh, mid.) until you found something nice,

and i wouldn't go spending a dinar on one unless that was already my plan.

[mighty valley]

sfa is very strong for specifically single target damage

but no aoe and no defensive benefit

[urban portal]

honestly

outside of the fact that 9.1 had amazingly defensive trinkets

every other tank trinket in this game blows dick

im sure without the 9.1 trinkets we would be running like scars stun grenade

[mighty valley]

"delete trinkets from the game" is my biggest hot take

[urban portal]

maybe

i can see your POV

but then gearing would be absurdly boring

[mighty valley]

i'd rather they put similar power into weapons and shields and stuff

why are we stressed so much about the power in a slot called "trinket"

anyway not much of an argument worth having since they're not gonna do it

[urban portal]

so it wouldnt be class specific is my guess

[mighty valley]

but other gear slots have smaller gaps, so they don't end up feeling like "these few are godlike, everything else is trash"

[urban portal]

for example every spec can use scars

but not if you tie it on another gear piece

i get your point tho

or if phial was attached to a 1h sword (cough poxstorm cough)

[mighty valley]

maybe the professions stuff will mix up gearing somewhat, idk

[vestal moat]

Scars is simming for about 600 dps more in AOE over OWS, or about 2.5%.

[mighty valley]

would be cool if trinket style effects were moved into things like enchantments etc

interesting, how long is the sim lasting? what portion of the time is spent at max ows stacks?

[vestal moat]

i did 5 bosses 5 minutes i dunno too much about simming but ill link it
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rREbsyDu6n51GyQKhM4Z1L

[urban portal]

scars will def out damage ows

its just that can you take the downsides

the slow and the echo damage is annoying

[mighty valley]

in m+ the gap would realistically be smaller, can maintain OWS for longer than 5 mins and if you ever miss a big final rune hit you lose a ton of value

[urban portal]

i think the gap will be larger the bigger you pull

and the converse applies for ows as well, if you ever drop it its poopy

[vestal moat]

yeah bc if u are smart u gonna blow up rune 5 on way more than 5 targets

[mighty valley]

take it for a test drive though in a key you don't care about too much, see how it goes

god the leech logic loop

you bastard lmao

[vestal moat]

i have 11% leech lol, it heals about 70% of indomitable in a key.

[mighty valley]

that's sick, you're already living the dragonflight life

[spiral warren]

You need to be stopped

[vestal moat]

i also feel mythic scars will make it even better because obviously the stats get better but the drawbacks dont right

except maybe the bleed? idk

[spiral warren]

No

They don’t

Cause they’re all % based shit

The bleed is negligible

[urban portal]

the echo damage scales with key level

[vestal moat]

yeah thats the one that's the real problem for tanks

[tardy sequoia]

guys what does this do?

[minor helm]

Increases the number of fated powers from 1 to 2

If you click it again after that it lowers the number of fated powers from 2 to 1

[sick sentinel]

what is the purpose of doing + 2 mechanics

[mighty valley]

doing them right increases dps

[dawn canyon]

Damag

More bosses with motes more easy

[minor helm]

Because the mechanic of it is incredibly simple in most cases and increases damage done by a significant amount making the bosses wildly easier

Adding motes into like 3 extra bosses every week makes raiding 1000% easier

[tardy sequoia]

ok thanks and is it worth upgrading or -71 haste not worth?

[dawn canyon]

Ilvl is the biggest damage gain

[uneven mason]

If has str ilvl > all

[tardy sequoia]

+5 strength

[uneven mason]

Yup

Winner

[tardy sequoia]

xD

[mild palm]

prio matrix for mythic uppers?

[strong forum]

aegis is kinda massive in upper

[mild palm]

Maybe that didn't come out right

Which should I upgrade to mythic first? :p

[lusty tiger]

If those are your two options, rdm

OWS has very poor ilvl scaling

I will tell you I have loved every minute of raiding with my mythic rdm

I had mythic xymox pulls where it was doing over 15% of my Healing lol

[waxen orbit]

Yo Nome what's good

Been a minute since I delved into this disc

[strong forum]

henlo

[waxen orbit]

Our class just as cranked as it was when I started my break?

No spell reflect nerfs?

[strong forum]

ya

except i have more rio than you

so get to work

[mortal brook]

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @mortal brook

[minor helm]

Eyir cocks

[gilded tendon]

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

Eyirs socks the most

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[lusty tiger]

Has anyone gotten a sore wrist from warrior gaming? Do I just zzz a few days?

[strong forum]

There have been reports

Some people unironically started doing hand and wrist exercises to help it

[lusty tiger]

I forgot last raid): to stretch

[waxen orbit]

When I was still playing first two weeks of the patch, I could definitely notice that days that I worked biceps and forearms that I was having some wrist troubles playing prot

Definitely a little taxing on your wrist

[waxen orbit]

Okay but I have more college debt wracking up

[dawn canyon]

Didnt brandon do smth abt that

[urban portal]

only 10k

or is it 20

[waxen orbit]

Wouldn't know because I applied for college and deferred after the cutoff

[strong forum]

F

[waxen orbit]

[dawn canyon]

Unfort

[waxen orbit]

Getting punished for taking a gap year so that I wouldn't have to go into college in the thick of the pandemic

The true american way

🫡

[dawn canyon]

KkonaW

[lusty tiger]

My college basically scammed everyone who stayed during the pandemic (forced to leave student housing but no refunds, admin slipping around graduation requirements to milk extra semesters)

[edgy grail]

School is already a scam

Imagine getting scammed twice

[pallid quiver]

Bonus points for being able to just effectively buy degrees

And still nobody cares

[blazing condor]

Inb4 tradeschool

[pallid quiver]

Trade school aren't real schools

at least according to like half of employers

the fact im quoting and not shitposting makes me sad

[sick sentinel]

find the right college for free, get connected for free with education connection

[trim bay]

LOL

[edgy grail]

Like fr homie got scammed for going to school and then got scammed when leaving 😂

[sick sentinel]

how many stacks on mana wyrm before i go soak

i moved him too much, so we died

[lusty tiger]

school did alright. It just doesn't cover much cutting edge. I learned roughly the culmination of all computer science knowledge through the 90s throughout my courses

there is very little taught about industry standards

[onyx vessel]

Outdated af schooling

[lusty tiger]

i mean it is not like computer science itself has changed much

[onyx vessel]

In my high school nobody new how to code or pretty much anything past word so in computer class we watched movies and played halo

Only untill grade 11 did we get a teacher who knew anything

[lusty tiger]

i wasnt allowed to take any coding in HS because my algebra II grade wasnt high enough

[onyx vessel]

What do you need algebra for coding

[lusty tiger]

chinese guy like u no good grade in algebra my class too haaad

[onyx vessel]

Fuckin asians math is there life cant take class cuz bad at math

[lusty tiger]

[sick sentinel]

trying to fully understand mana wyrm boss, i skipped on legion, i have question and something to clarify, you get stacks of unstable mana, which you are then supposed to clear using the purple circles, if thats correct does clearing the debuff also despawn it? nd also it doesn't spawn pink orbs, they just spawn at random angle in range? and then so keep him in the corner because of this.

[pallid quiver]

The reasoning behind it is due to the logic processes that go behind solving algebraic formulas and the application of sequential logic. It's assumed that if you are able to process the logic handling behind algebraic formulas and the like, you should be able to translate that to the logic processes that are not always human base nature to grasp.

I leave it to you to decide whether this is fitting, accurate, or anything of the like. I am only relaying the general reasonings given for these decisions.

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/calculating-puzzled-math-confused-confused-look-gif-14677181

[mighty valley]

what happened in here

where did all this math come from

[small iris]

Yea for mana wyrm boss u get the orbs that are going to boss (they give u a debuff that's a dot and increases ur dmg output or something good), u want to cleanse it in a puddle looking zone of energy at a point u are unhealable, the zone doesn't last too long and it does not spawns extra orbs, the zone also spawns either around the boss or players, the zone as well hurts u so u don't wanna stay in too long

If u have a class with immune its easier with that to clear orbs

[sick sentinel]

i hate upper kara

[small iris]

Same

Only good thing as war is spell reflect is bis for that key

[sick sentinel]

what an awful overtuned evil dungeon, fuck with your head and everyhing

[small iris]

Just think, u get to be top dmg on last boss

[sick sentinel]

make tinier than a lvl 1rat

(its a cool dungeon, its just evil)

[small iris]

Outta all the season 4 m+, I hate upper, over time 16 and never going back, idc for portals this season too much

[sick sentinel]

we wiped on the final boss like, 4 times, andto the mana wyrm once, way over timed, and it gave me that stupid owl trinket to boot, was so mald by end didn't even take the better ilvl cloack someone offered up.

[small iris]

Yea, I hear u on that, we did the same thing except not die on mana, we wiped on the last boss 3-4 times

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i go in attack the mobs on final platform, go to boss, im already at 30 necrotic, try to leap out, die

[small iris]

Ah yes necrotic, I did it on my 16 on fort, and was still bad

That's the only last boss fight this season with adds also that can hurt u

I did 1 15 gambit this week and called it, every time we get necrotic it's with spiteful

[sick sentinel]

that boss isn't design with necrotic in mind i think, i dunno if thats one of the original ones, but i believe so, and it used to be 3% instead of 2%

[small iris]

Necrotic was in Legion if I remember, but necrotic was magic before they changed it in bfa

From magic to a bleed

[sick sentinel]

oh, so you could just dispell it lol

[small iris]

No

Had to debuff tag

No*

But DK could ams it

And u couldn't dwarf racial it till the change to bleed

[sick sentinel]

also, dark iron didn't exist yet, and they can speficially do that

cuz i remember when they launched, i changed at least 2 of my toons to one of those

[sick sentinel]

[dawn canyon]

(4,8%) (4,8%)

[blazing condor]

thats 9,6%

or 2,16%

[nova crow]

Prot warrior is actually good in M+?

[blazing condor]

prot warrior is actually good

and has been since p much all expansion

we're just slept on by the community and general opinion

[strong forum]

Pwar is the 2nd best tank for m+ rn

If that's what you're asking

[brittle owl]

is that a

tier ranking

[mortal brook]

A for Avatar

B for Block

[brittle owl]

C for thunder Clap

[blazing condor]

D for Demo shout

[grave wedge]

Hey I just wanna take a second to thank you guys in this discord you guys have been incredibly helpful in getting my Warrior up and going again. I've tried a couple toons out in shadowlands. And I could not believe how much toxicity I have come across in most of the other class discords.
You guys make me happy to be kicking ass on my pot Warrior again. And I appreciate all the help support you guys have been giving me.

[strong forum]

[blazing condor]

positive discord

[pallid quiver]

We're not toxic enough, you say? guess i better bring out the beatin' stick

[blazing condor]

we've had our moments

everybody is just whipped into line

[jagged pier]

Not my discord

But my discord also had an active doggo with a crown instead of a semi active / quit one 😦

[blazing condor]

i failed you

[jagged pier]

DF doggo coming back

[sick sentinel]

i don't particularly want to talk about it, it was awful

but, 2 304s instead of 304 and 301

[lusty tiger]

Which bosses are you wiping on lol

Shaman has no conduits?

[sick sentinel]

final boss and once to mana wyrm

i was having issue withfinal platform about necrotic stacks and once to the push back beam

[modern brook]

[uneven mason]

[dawn canyon]

Babe new Yogi mspaint dropped

[sick sentinel]

this is what ended up working, before that, i would take too long, build up necrotic, die

[dawn canyon]

I mean you literally have goldie

[sick sentinel]

i used to go by death

thats why i had the skull PFP for a while

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980120689828847626.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[deep plume]

What is the fast way to get Memory of a Reprisal ?

[sick sentinel]

besides mario n shit, one of first games i ever played, played hell out of wolenstien 3d as well.

[dawn canyon]

I used to go by phil then larry then phil

[strong forum]

All torghast wings are unlocked

So just go to upper reaches, layer 3 or higher

And you'll get it from the boss

[sick sentinel]

there is a chance to get it from the currency (grateful offering for one) books at covenant hall but i wouldn't bank on getting the one you want if there is alot to be unlocked still

[blazing condor]

go torg

[strong forum]

Getting it from torg takes like 5 minutes

When the memory one takes a few weeks

So uh yeah

[sick sentinel]

only takes one if it's the last one....

no im kidding, but god, i am going to hate upper forever now.

every boss has potential to just wipe at random, tyr or fort.

[wooden mesa]

Hey guys, is it worth to use Fusion Hacker instead of an normal weapon with sec stats with same ilvl ? Dont find anything about this.

[drifting fable]

sim for single target if you want but it will be worse in aoe

[strong forum]

It's not an outstanding weapon so it's not mentioned anywhere

[weak snow]

does prot have ww on his bar? 😄

[uneven mason]

No🤢

Threw up a little just thinking about it

[strong forum]

It's a dead button for us

[uneven mason]

Newb trap button

[sick sentinel]

i gotta go get connected for free with great vault connection. if servers is connected

[uneven mason]

Ww being available to prot was part of their great unpruneing

Which just shows at the time there wasn't a single dev who played warriors

And they just picked abilities at random

I still don't think any dev plays warriors but at least they've started listening to the people who do

[sick sentinel]

nice things to say about WW, #1 it has a cool animation, #2 its good for siesmic, wait hmm im not sure about this one thats my list! thanks for reading

[uneven mason]

🤮

[blazing condor]

Ur welcome yogi

[strong forum]

The whole idea of the unpruning was just for leveling

[strong forum]

It didnt make sense for a warrior to suddenly lose the ability to whirlwind when speccing into prot

That's it

[sick sentinel]

its something at least

[strong forum]

Not every ability that has been gained was to be used

[sick sentinel]

yo wtf this shit vault

already got the exact same ring

[cobalt seal]

I see 304 boots

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rocky kraken]

this any good?

[sick sentinel]

i need to recraft reprisal then which means to legs, meaning i lose 4 set, meaning, i have to recraft unity...

[cobalt seal]

sounds like

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[sick sentinel]

yeah, that's were the golden missing name comes from

cuz, my gold about to be missin

blizzard KEKW'ing at me, can feel it

[lusty tiger]

Or you lost your golden eye cartridge when you were younger and haven’t recovered since

[sick sentinel]

no, me and my freind across the street he had that and we would play stupid games of rigging and moving the armor with land mines

[mellow bridge]

i wouldnt swap unity to legs jsut for 304 boots

pick sockets

[sick sentinel]

i'll do it already took boots, no regrets

[strong forum]

No

It only procs on 1 target

So it's virtually useless

[urban portal]

Yeah it’s like aegis but worse

[tropic gorge]

Except aegis is awesome

[urban portal]

It’s an aegis without main stat

And st

But it does last longer

[distant crystal]

isn't codex just aegis w/o mainstat :hmm:

who stole my emoji

[twin radish]

should i use So'Leahs or The Codex, the codex seems to not do a whole lot for me

[urban portal]

Aegis without main stat, rng, is a % and not flat, and I think it only applies to autos

[distant crystal]

oh i was thinking of RDM not matrix

[lofty widget]

soleahs

[distant crystal]

codex isn't very similar to aegis :p

codex is sick if you're a vdh, and i guess solid for bdk too

basura for pwarr

[urban portal]

It’s mid for bdk

Cuz you got so much parry now

Only brazy on dh

[distant crystal]

that reminds me i gotta try to get our bdk an rdm this week

we got fuckin 3 salvaged fusion amplifiers last sod week

[rocky kraken]

how do you dodge shared suffering? just leap away?

[sick sentinel]

is that horse boss lower?

your party needs to help soak in that case

[edgy grail]

Any displacement works

[sick sentinel]

idealtime to use rally, likely, i'd use it then if i had the option

[edgy grail]

And no yoy dont need help

You leap, gate etc

[sick sentinel]

thats the horse boss in lower right?

[edgy grail]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

i died to it, i asked my group what i have to do and im pretty sure they told me they soak, "i died to shared suffering in that 14 lower" "i asked them what we needed to do and they said stack on that player"

[edgy grail]

There is more than 1 way to deal with it

Soaking it being the worst one

If you leap, intervene, warlock gate any of thise

He will continue to casts the spells he has queued

[sick sentinel]

i'm not sure it was that ability but somewhere, probably karazhan i got some roots movement like effectand i tried to do avatar to pop it, didn't work

[lofty widget]

soaking isnt bad as long as your party can survive

[edgy grail]

Sure you can soak in low keys

[lofty widget]

up to like 25 probably

[sick sentinel]

yeah it was only a +14

in the case im citing

[lofty widget]

yeah "leaping out" or dodging the mechanic in general is pretty advanced tbh, theres no need for that in normal keys

[sick sentinel]

keys i do are from 14-20 range is most id be comfortable with

[edgy grail]

That was the question that was asked

It was about leaping away

Golden then said you have to soak it

Which is not true

You could just play bdk and soak them all at basically any key level

[sick sentinel]

have to run callings crafted glory instead of unity belt L BOZO moment - 12k

[lofty widget]

yea downside to that strat is you have to play bdk

[edgy grail]

You have to play the best tank that is absolutely broken

[sick sentinel]

my dk is a shitcan

[edgy grail]

HUGE downside

[sick sentinel]

happy with the mage but

did a monk and dk and boosted some dps, and they ain't goin nowhere fast

[chrome falcon]

playing BDK is a downside

super fucking bedge tank

[lofty widget]

[sick sentinel]

hes not death knight just yet, hes just a regular knight

[lusty tiger]

I’m a shirtless troll now

[remote arrow]

I currently have a 298 OWS, 298 enforcers stun grenade, 278 Sun king and 278 fatescribe cheat death trinkets and also got the dinar to buy a normal one (not the 20 heroic coins). Should I buy a normal Matrix or Aegis and pair with OWS or what combo would u guys recomend tanking 23-24s

[lofty widget]

matrix+ows

aegis for 28+

[remote arrow]

Will do then ty... Even at 278 is better than 298 Enforcers Stun Grenade? I assume its becayse of the Str stat?

[drifting fable]

stun grenade is not good defensively

rdm will make you feel better at those jeya

keys*

both the strength loss + the ability

[remote arrow]

Good explanation, Will do It. Thanks again

[twin radish]

Seema to me that all the raid trinkets are the best for tanking

Looking on raider i.o the top ones are running ageis, old warriors soul, reactive defense matrix

[urban portal]

Yes

Tank trinkets blow Dick

M+ trinkets in general blow Dick

[sick sentinel]

leash, etc

[lusty tiger]

I got 1 of these

Idk why it even drops lol

[sick sentinel]

i may try it out on some at or below 15 keys where is okay to meme

but, other than that meh

[lusty tiger]

Medivh guardian bird phase, upper last boss last phase, mailroom aoe dam phase,

Idk still dog

[undone verge]

this a tough one, 304 shield to replace a 288 shield, or 298 pants to replace 236 pants

im leaning toward pants, but 304 shield is nice

[lofty widget]

shield

pants are so farmable

[undone verge]

yeah but I dont want to farm pants

I dont need the char to be max geared cause this is an alt

just want him to be viable for endgame content

[lofty widget]

its gonna be good with 236 pants also, but shield is biggest def increase

[urban portal]

Still shield

[lusty tiger]

Not going to get a 304 shield anywhere else

[undone verge]

300 block vs 40 str 20 stam and 10 haste and I can tier it for 3 set since this char only has 2 set

[lusty tiger]

3 set is worthless

Buy the sandworn

[undone verge]

well yeah obvi, but its 1 set closer to 4 set

[lusty tiger]

Nah the gains in the sense of tier completion is 0

Especially with how easy it is to get flux now

Get sandworn or 262 pants

[undone verge]

I guess since relics are BOA now I could transfer them over to buy pants to tier, and 262 isnt possible since ive got a 262 neck already

[mighty valley]

then any neck or legs completes it

[lusty tiger]

I think they lifted the unique thing

[undone verge]

still gives you a warning when you buy them

[lusty tiger]

Not 100% sure just thought I read in a blue post or comment or something

[tired night]

Big post

[sick sentinel]

big nerfs

[lusty tiger]

More like balancing

[sick sentinel]

just kidding cuz like literally allthe abilities are negative changes lol, just a correction is all good

[mighty valley]

wrong channel

[cobalt seal]

can we not do this here?

[modern brook]

Here of all places my god

[cobalt seal]

when pwar was obviously getting numbers nerf

[jagged pier]

#997237573514690620

[grave wedge]

Are there any good weapons or shields from nathria i got the lfr anima beads 265 versions so not the sire weapon in vault so i could upgrade either to heroic max i dont see myself pugging mythic to get the kills id need for that
or my alt is the arrow breaker greatshield. so max of 298 with proper io.. current shield is morias which is haste verse so id think thats better than arrow breaker. my current weapon is fusion hacker so im thinking this maybe be a merrit week

[dawn canyon]

HC max is 291/298 so just get a weapon from keys

[limpid pawn]

how bad

[tropic gorge]

I have a lower ilvl version of that. It can kinda be useful. In my usage of it, it's not good or useful

All it seemed to do was punch my health bar.
If you run with good dps or don't pug, might be worth a shot.
If you pug, I'd suggest not using it

[grave wedge]

right and i know fusion hacker is pretty solid so im gonna take the merrit because i plan to buy Crest of Lordaeron with my dinars

[plush prism]

that's a nice one

[dawn canyon]

It's blue

Very swaggy

[plush prism]

can't say no to a 304 weapo!

[sick sentinel]

this was supposed to be in my vault

i'd like to lodge an official complaint against activision blizzard for my losses.

[mighty valley]

extremely bad, no strength

[sick sentinel]

the whole gimmick of first boss GD is that you arent supposed to be able to easily stack the brute ontop of the goblin, unless its during the rockets/charge mechanics (both occur same time, different from p1 rockets)

my understanding is phase 1 if you go near him,, he jumps away., after you knock down , yeah, stack, while it lets you, figured that much

[cobalt seal]

no?

especially as a pwar

just charge to miniguy

[sick sentinel]

is there a CD on better position or something?

[plain flower]

bolstering hurts a lot around 25 should I put on my verse?

or keep stacking haste?

[sick sentinel]

because, far as i know, if you get close to the goblin, he does better position away from you,

[drifting fable]

im pretty sure he just jumps in general because its the fight

[sick sentinel]

phase 2 is he chooses a wall and you bait a running charge and stack them while he's stunned, i alreadyget that

[drifting fable]

so just maximize cleave

he always jumps, jumps, wall

then hes stunned after the charge

[cobalt seal]

yes there is a ICD

of at least 5-7s

[old flame]

thoughts?

[ocean yoke]

whats your gear look like right now? would make it easier to pick

[old flame]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

[ocean yoke]

probably cloak id say, would be between that and sockets really

[old flame]

thanks!

[delicate parrot]

Struggling to understand what spells actually benefit from more haste

[modern brook]

the short answer is all

the long answer involves the question "do you know what haste does?" which is slightly condescending but always a good place to start.

[delicate parrot]

A condescending WoW player… no way

Lol

Anyway it says increased attack speed

And spell casting speed

[ocean yoke]

shield block and shield slam cds directly scale with haste if thats what youre asking

[delicate parrot]

Ok that’s good to know

[modern brook]

So haste increases your attack speed and reduces your global cooldown

as well as the cooldown on various spells, like papa said

[ocean yoke]

i believe if the CD is green its one that scales with haste

[modern brook]

all that basically just means = faster rage gen = more rage over a fight = more everything

[ocean yoke]

like the cd in tooltip

[delicate parrot]

Thank you

I’ve been getting nothing but sockets

And was thinking of going crit

But seems like hast = more rage gen

[cosmic basin]

Want to ask something regarding Old Warrior Soul. Everywhere i read its basically regarded as the best trinket we can use. Is the way im reading it correct?
Gives you good amount of strength
Gives you a pretty big amount of Haste as long as you stay in combat and chain pulls
Heals an ally from time to time.
Is this correct?

[drifting fable]

yup pretty much. the healing thing is not even really that important compared to the amount of haste it gives. youre already incentivized to chain pull and stay in combat with banner anyways

[pallid quiver]

i personally think it'd be better if it didn't heal any ally

they can die for their mistakes

The other notable thing is the amount of haste you gain is over budget, iirc, so it's a stronger increase than trinkets at ilvls close to it

And since haste is also a stat that directly influences both our defense and offense a notable amount, it's quite helpful

[drifting fable]

theres an okita banner on fgo luerce do i roll for it

[pallid quiver]

There's no way I'm not biased, but do it

[drifting fable]

gettin the wallet

[pallid quiver]

I literally only ever boot up FGO to roll for Okitas now

[cosmic basin]

My main thing was i was confused by the wording on this - While in combat your rage builds, increasing your Haste by 29 every 20 sec, stacking up to 5 times.
Does that mean if its about to run out and i just get any rage from a mob it refreshes it?

[drifting fable]

you on jp?

[mighty valley]

it's not actually related to rage generation

that's just flavor wording

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, JP on my end

[cosmic basin]

So what is it related to? How to be optimal with it?

[mighty valley]

it's just - it stacks while in combat, and there's a grace period of ~5 seconds where you can be out of combat before it drops

so, just, keep pulling, keep downtime to a minimum

[cosmic basin]

ok

[drifting fable]

lmk if you get back into it just started a new acc like a week ago

my supports are trash ofc