protection

[dawn canyon]

That's Yogi wtf

Holy fuck na lfr it something then

Like one guy above 10

Tbf when i did xymox lfr i was at 20k and the next guy was on 11

[sick sentinel]

the last fight i did LFR they beat me dps bigly

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

could do shield or weapon, still haven't got valor one yet

[hollow sun]

yogi pow

[sick sentinel]

take 278 feelsbads when 285's exist on same vendors

[undone verge]

I love when people are below auto attack dmg and still alive too

[wide charm]

how do you dodge attumen ?

[sick sentinel]

same gif really

[tropic gorge]

the music sounds like combichrist

[mellow bridge]

first myth sire kill

[toxic pewter]

grats

[mellow bridge]

but man keeping up banner in p1 is just pure rng for me

gotta pray my fps doesnt break too hard on the first add spawn

[shadow haven]

this worth doing with last dinar?

[urban portal]

Not really

Only worth if you are going mythic

[shadow haven]

i used first two on old warrior soul and shard of annhylde's aegis. Don't need a weapon since I got maxed out fusion hacker. Guess I can use it for some offspec?

[dawn canyon]

Yea

Gavel is great (or be a demon and get smth like sylv dagger for mog)

[shadow haven]

Because I know people said that shield is trash and that stats is better

[drifting fable]

you are correct

[dawn canyon]

The advantage this shield has is that you can make it 311

[drifting fable]

but you can also get a m+ shield

thats true

[dawn canyon]

(LOD shield)

VG one you just wanna replace yea

[shadow haven]

the mechagon shield

that one is good though right

[drifting fable]

nah same problem as vigilant shield

secondaries are just better

[shadow haven]

at least it has mastery lol

[drifting fable]

not sure why thats an at least

mastery is our worst stat

[shadow haven]

i was joking!

[drifting fable]

o

ill see myself out

[shadow haven]

didnt you get it with my "lol"! It was a joke, a christmas joke

[drifting fable]

man you never know these days

[shadow haven]

yeah no idea what to do with the dinar

dont even play the other specs

[drifting fable]

do you raid mythic?

[shadow haven]

sometimes fury for pvp and thats it

no

mostly just dungeons

[drifting fable]

you can get a 298/304 shield from m+ generally then, so either off spec (gavel is a good choice like phil said)

or RDM

cuz you didnt mention that yet

[shadow haven]

what is rdm again?

[drifting fable]

otherwise you can also go for the spicy transmog purchase

reactive defensive matrix

SoD vendor

[shadow haven]

ahh

yeah I was thinking I could get another trinket for some occassion

the cheat death one is also good right?

[drifting fable]

not really

cheat death is if you know youre gonna get one shot but you literally cant do anything

like in 30s or something lmao

RDM is a good thing to run alongside OWS instead of aegis in alot of situationsn

rdm performs better generally in the 10-25 key range

and aegis you have to specifically work around and its not really necessary until high 20s ish

so yeah its up to you mostly lol. rdm is a solid pick tho

[shadow haven]

from what I see people like to use OWS, Shard, RDM, either nathria or SoD cheat death trinkets, and the kara crit trinket

I got a high ilvl sicking sack of terror!

i'm in the 15-22 range

but there is a lot of prejudice against warriors

i sometimes get DECLINED! I'm a tank cmon

[dawn canyon]

People are weird

Same issue on dps warrior really

Battleshout haters

[drifting fable]

its a very saturated io season too

gonna be alot of people around your lvl

[shadow haven]

but cheat death trinket is only used in like 30-32 key range?

[drifting fable]

if even

[shadow haven]

I think i've seen int users use that trinket in some of the highest keys

[dawn canyon]

Yep

Idea is they actively proc it

Not just to prevent dying to missplays

[shadow haven]

ahh well, season is ending soon

[urban portal]

They actively proc it to make pulls that is undoable otherwise

[cold echo]

Hello
Does Dwarf racial remove necrotic debuff?

[edgy grail]

Yes

[cold echo]

Nice thank you

[sick sentinel]

kyrian potion too,good leap and kite

[tardy sequoia]

is this ring good/bis or something like that?

maybe for some other tanks dunno

[south zealot]

no

mechagon ring set is better

if youre not gonna use mechagon ring set for whatever reason, haste is high value

[tardy sequoia]

ok ty

[warm glen]

hi guys, I'm trying out prot lately and I thin I have some problems with my dps, I'm usually around 7-8k at 196 ilevel

anything that I could start to pay attention to maybe?

[dawn canyon]

196?

Typo or actually bad s1 ilvl?

[lusty tiger]

Well not shot he’s doing 7-8k at 196 ilvl

I think even +2 would be hard then

[warm glen]

296* sorry

[balmy canyon]

Start with the basics, shield block uptime, banner uptime and wasted rage and go from there

[warm glen]

Mh ok, what should be my sb and banner uptime? More or less ofc

[sick sentinel]

no, its 10% dr which is good, but it lasts for literally 4 seconds

and it onlty activates as soon as combat starts

[shadow haven]

man gearing as tanks can be complicated sometimes

for dps you just hit the sim button

what trinkets would you guys use in 15-20 mythic plus range?

[sick sentinel]

OWS scars, RDM, agegis if i had it, SST

[urban portal]

its good on prot pal

and can be good on prot warrior IF mechagon rings didnt exist

[shadow haven]

you only have two trinket slots!

[cobalt seal]

it's good for prot pala because of stats

[south zealot]

shield block uptime doesnt REALLY matter

blocked hit % matters

and banner should be as high as possible 90% is goal

[urban portal]

its both

[south zealot]

when youre first starting trying to get it to like 60% should be your first goal and just increase it by there

[urban portal]

the thing is cherry on top

having a decent dr while you are trying to gather shit up is not bad

[cobalt seal]

decent?

the dr is "useless"

especially considering ppala pull with shield more often than not

[sick sentinel]

those are the best ones you can choose from and you can earn 3 tokens for the raid ones at 278/285 ilvl

[shadow haven]

Well lets say you have them all, which 2 would you use?

[sick sentinel]

depends on the content, but i'm doing SST + OWS or RDM, i only did 1 key with RDM

[broken crater]

its not decent dr

even in high keys its < 170 hps

for a dh

so a lot less for prot warr, dont have a log of ppal with it but if you give me one i can check that out

[long sequoia]

I understand correctly that if pwar do not spend rage on defense, then we can deal high damage? Or it will be less anyway then other tanks?

[sick sentinel]

to define decent, its 10% global reduction, on some random gear, there are things that only DR phys or mag, or for less DR, the duration is what makes it suck

your going to have like, 1 minute maybe, of that buff

[broken crater]

yh thats accurate

[cobalt seal]

you do both

at same time lol

[long sequoia]

I mean you can spend gcd to def or damage buttons

[cobalt seal]

no?

IP and SB are off GCD

(at least I hope SB is)

[long sequoia]

So no big dps potential?

[cobalt seal]

?

what are you talking about

[broken crater]

im afraid youre not really making sense atm

[cobalt seal]

if you dont spend rage on defense

you wont do big dam

[broken crater]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QX9bKktpVwWnfvDa#fight=last&type=damage-done heres tank damage diff for you for warrior vdh bdk if that helps

[cobalt seal]

ID isn't exactly the best

to show xD

[broken crater]

its alright

[long sequoia]

not my native language, sorry. the question is that if you try to deal as much damage as possible, is it possible to expect high DPS or pwar is not a high damage tank like a paladin for example, i seen logs but i want to know spec ideology about damage at all, because i like to do damage as tank, thinking between pwar and ppal

[chrome falcon]

pwarr can absolutely compete with or beat ppala

if played well

[cobalt seal]

to do dmg

[long sequoia]

Is it performs better or worse on SS and AOE? Or equal?

[cobalt seal]

you have to spend rage on defense

that's how pwar works

[long sequoia]

I will do more research thanks

[cobalt seal]

if you dont spend rage on defense

your banner uptime is gonna suck

and then dps will suffer

[sick sentinel]

sleep circle will wrecklessly kill your banner

[urban portal]

not saying that the DR is like

super duper hps

its just that its free

[broken crater]

at a time when you need it the least, yes

[urban portal]

its also good on prot pal because you are gathering mobs and you arent standing in consec

we all know dh mastery sucks donkey dick

[broken crater]

on pal it makes sense because of stats, not because of the proc

[urban portal]

yeah

but you are running around to gather mobs meaning not standing in consec and this makes up for it

[sick sentinel]

DH is pretty much the 1 thing i wont play

[urban portal]

obviously its nothing amazing

[broken crater]

hey now its at least getting "fixed" 😛

[urban portal]

yea

but still

armor is such a bad stat

[sick sentinel]

i just hope blizzard don't fuck up DF too bad

[urban portal]

rather its so invisible

[sick sentinel]

just have to add a bunch of dragon crap, tails wings breathe fire, roaring dragonsand its hoarding gold and you chop its head off, basically ony lair

[strong forum]

For vdh, getting more armor is huge

Cuz they have literally less than a moonkin

[cobalt seal]

you pull with ranged abilities

the ring does close to nothing

[ancient reef]

doing the cars in grimrail do you just eat the fire and avoid the floor bombs or what, i got ate up in there

[pallid quiver]

you can side step the frontals

and you can also stun flamestrike casts so those don't come out

[ancient reef]

whats the shit thats killin me he flamestrike

[mortal brook]

flametongue from the cinderseers needs disrupted or you run out of it yes

the gunner's flamethrower doesnt track so you can sidestep

[pallid quiver]

Both kinda hurt, as a heads up

[rocky kraken]

is unstopable force any fun?

[undone verge]

Flame tongue needs to be removed until dps learn where their stun buttons are

[mortal brook]

🤷‍♂️ theres a gap between cast finishing and damage activation. plenty of time to move

[undone verge]

Plenty of time to kite backwards and slap dps with flamethrower

[mortal brook]

i cannot recommend that strategy

[undone verge]

I’ve always hated the mentality of tanks disregarding dps even when it’s not their fault, like if they body pull a pack let them die, or if I gotta move I’m gonna move to put them in danger even if they shouldn’t be there in the first place. Obviously if you’re going to die screw the dps, but for other examples like not picking up aggro on body pulled mobs

[hollow creek]

Hi team what is the best race for war prot ?

[chrome falcon]

whichever you think is coolest

[hollow creek]

Ok 🙂

[chrome falcon]

this isn't classic

your race doesn't matter

[undone verge]

I like kultiran, their racial is kinda bleh but brush it off pretty good, it’s at least 100 hps, which isn’t much but it’s like some mini leech. Also you’re a big tank boi

But other than that dwarf racial is super duper nice in some situations

[toxic pewter]

I’ve tried all the races and I always come back to the single best one: Vulpera

[warm plinth]

Excuse you, haymaker is amazing

[undone verge]

It’s clunky

[hardy snow]

If a dps don't want to die due to bodypulled mobs there is a great solution, that not everybody may be aware of. Care your movement and don't bodypull.

[solid glen]

So... I'm sorry if this has been talked about before... But is there a way to make a macro, that would help taunt the target that is targetting my target? Like, let's say I lose aggro to a mage groupmate's burst but it is like a pack and I can't specifically see which enemy he has aggro on.. is there a macro for that, to make it quick and simple ?

[dawn canyon]

1. you can cast taunt @targetoftarget via a macro
2. nameplates should be set up to show you what you have threat on

[topaz field]

makes no sense to me

unless u have no aggro on a boss 😄

but u should be able to find that out

[dawn canyon]

Green nameplate = threat good

Red nameplate = threat bad

Yellow = close to losing

Seems easy enough

[topaz field]

i usually have an extra taunt button for mouseover taunt because in big packs it makes it easier for me to taunt and not having to click and then taunt while im getting smacked

[sick sentinel]

I just hit 60 and switched back to tank. Ignore Pain is preventing like 5k only. How big does it get when you have actually got decent gear? Feels pretty meaningless as a button.

[topaz field]

we genrally use ip to avoid overcapping on rage

it depends but its around 25-35 k for me i think

its influenced by str, mastery and vers

[lofty widget]

Like 15-20k at 297 for me, which is still pretty useless. It only becomes "good" cause were spamming it to avoid overcapping rage

[warm glen]

guys how do i see my wasted rage from logs?

[ionic fern]

Resources->Rage.

[sick sentinel]

Thanks!

[warm glen]

oh, missed teh "wasted" column xD thx

[winter bone]

Is 248 ilvl with both leggos and 4p good to tank m+ 5-10 ?

[lofty widget]

Yes more than fine

[winter bone]

Great thanks

[tropic gorge]

Yeah you could push into the 10 to 12 range, higher if your group is decent

If you're pugging, 5-10 would be just fine. People out of group finder always set requirements higher than needed

[sick sentinel]

the old stop light system, finally something i can agree with

[pure willow]

so whats the main reason to take necrolord? i dont really like it and dont feel it really do much for me so im just curious and figure out if im prolly jus using it wrong

[mortal brook]

BIG DAM

[tropic gorge]

For m+ and raid tanking it's preem shit

I stuck with kyrian for arms pvp and pve dps, it works fine enough for tanking m+ I do

[dawn canyon]

26% str perma

[sick sentinel]

i just simply cannot live without every mob has a threat plate now, and also specific mobs can be plate colored in case of like, they cast an interupt spell

its just way too handy seeing green bar goes yellow....red..... running at healer.... healers takingdamage, and we wiped and everyone left the key, that's limiting for me when someone says:
"I don't use any addons because they lag out the game!! why would you need even a single addon? just delete them all and press your buttons and playthe game! its EZ"

[tropic gorge]

If add-ons "lag out the game", that person should really consider a hardware upgrade or lowering settings

Gaming is a hobby. Why have a subpar experience

[dawn canyon]

Or reconsider addon choices

Weakauras can vary from highly performative to fps hogs depending how theyre set up

[sick sentinel]

i don't remember the CPU, cuz, lets face it, cpu 2018+ is pretty much irrelevant, but it would have been probably intel in 2019

[tropic gorge]

Just do what I did. Build an overpowered pc with 32gb ram and run what ya want

[sick sentinel]

so i'd guess this person had a 2080, and a 10900k

[tropic gorge]

I have a 10900k@5.1 across all cores

[sick sentinel]

cuz i had (have) gpu:2070, cpu 3700x and he had something better is all i can really remember, its like, i had the heroic computer, he had epic

[tropic gorge]

So like, I guess to some degree running with no add-ons could be fine if the player pays attention.
And I hate to say this, I question how "serious" a player would be in higher content without some add-ons to make quality of life better/easier to manage in the chaos of combat

[sick sentinel]

"cocaine is my DLC", words by this individual at one point, and then his house got hit by a tornadoe and we didn't hear from him again after that

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

An expensive option to choose, but an option none the less

[sick sentinel]

we all said some stupid shit to eachother, but that was a "bruh, wut?" moment

[pure willow]

ah okay checks, thank you

[sick sentinel]

and yeah, tornadoes are incredibly expensive! my starting zone contains none, but is affected by winter

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[mighty valley]

I know some high content players who don’t run any addons, some people just have the brain for it

[edgy grail]

You literally can not convince me that addons don’t help you parse information more efficiently

Default UI has a lot of inefficiencies

[tropic gorge]

I agree wjth both. The WA to track shield block is a good example. With so many buffs cycling so quickly its really hard for me to find it to see what's left on it

[edgy grail]

Details is huge too if used properly

It shows you deaths in a much better way (with overkill) and the aura section is great as well

[dawn canyon]

Id argue only required addons are Bossmod + weakaura + something for nameplates

[edgy grail]

Default frames are really garbage imo

Not SUPER relevant as tank tho

But you can’t filter debuffs

[dawn canyon]

Frames is just personal preference

But i personally like elvui + weakauras + plater

Rest isnt really needed

[edgy grail]

Minimap button bag is hard required 😂

[tropic gorge]

Plater I think is one of the better mods. I also run it with elv

[edgy grail]

Tilts me to see 30 buttons on my minimap

[tropic gorge]

You can do a shit ton with plater

[edgy grail]

Plater is just insane tbh

[tropic gorge]

I spent quite a few minutes like Monday clearing buttons off my mininap. Simc didn't need to be there and some other stuff

[uneven mason]

If only there was an addon that could help organize your minimap buttons

[tropic gorge]

If only!

Lol

[uneven mason]

We need another addon because all these add-on are creating a fucking mess!

[coral marsh]

is there a trick to flawless 16 runs with prot, seems like they made tanks not viable for it

[tropic gorge]

I haven't been able to do a flawless torgh floor in 2 weeks. A buddy of mine came back, he's a dk so I was helping him speed up torgh for legendary crafting. We 100 percent every floor last night, I have the power up for a bonus floor, we got 4/5

It's kinda like what the fuck. I even used the lust power up thing every floor, twice on 2 floors

[coral marsh]

ill never do torghast with premades thats just pure aids

[tropic gorge]

I'd rather solo or bring a friend. Every random pug I've done has been go as fast as possible let's goooooooooooo. One thing goes wrong? Group leaves lol

"carry me or I'm leaving"

[coral marsh]

ye i need a strat to solo with tank

seems like the timer is a middle finger to us by blizzard

to force tanks into groups

[sick sentinel]

pug events and logic still happens in torghast if you pug torghast

[coral marsh]

ill never pug this, i want to solo it just like visions

[sick sentinel]

visions was good, 4/5 masks was bad

[sick sentinel]

yeah, unfortunately have to go do torghast due to no souls so i can start last 2 upgrades stitch yard

[median tulip]

You can get Souls from just running about in the Maw

[hard knot]

Hi guys. I f was to inviest 1 Dinar to buy a raid tyrinket, what would be the best one. I do 23-25 Keys as a Prot warrior

Currently have codex and granade

[uneven mason]

[strong forum]

then you wanna get ows and rdm asap

codex is awful

and grenade is pretty meh

[urban portal]

I’m grinding codex for 10.0 leveling

[tropic gorge]

I have a heroic dungeon codex. I got my leveling tool

[strong forum]

Not even with leech

Are you even trying

[cinder storm]

Comes DF Codex talk will die, might as well entertain it

[strong forum]

10.3

Return of tazavesh to m-

If that happens I'll literally quit discord

[cinder storm]

Warlock on gambit: You can't tank the boss in the middle
Also Warlock: 23k dps overall

year is 2023....tazavesh has returned....first comment on discord after reset...is codex----Nom leaves Skyhold

[sick sentinel]

for how long on first boss of workshop, should i keep boss seperate if at all, or literally just have robot on top of tank and only pull robot out for spin/vent flames

[cinder storm]

After you break its armor, get it close enough to the car, before it aoes move it out if you have melees just for their sake

[sick sentinel]

way i've done this in the past is keep them seperate, and then 1 stack on pull, 2nd at 50% hp tank, final one at tank 10% or less.

[cinder storm]

just have it lose it stacks as soon as possible

[sick sentinel]

nahh for DF season 4, all SL dungeons should come back with whatever new bullshit they implement for DF patches about tazavesh returning, its alright i guess?

[cinder storm]

I'd have much more fun with Kings Rest and Tol Dagor than any SL dungeon

[sick sentinel]

WCM is really good, but its super on the nose, "BOO, Haunted House! Ghosts n rats and spiders n shit"

nooooo

tol dagor never again, i quit i have to run tol dagor

[wide nebula]

Hey guys, can any1 tell me why codex of the first technique is bad?

[sick sentinel]

i hate that dungeon so very much

[ionic fern]

3rd pin.

[wide nebula]

thank you

[tropic gorge]

I throw taunts on the truck and drag big boy around to break his armor asap.

I usually have the armor broke before the truck dies

[strong forum]

Other way around

You leave the car alone

And you break big boy armor

Then you stack them

The car doesn't attack anything, so you kiting it around makes no sense

[sick sentinel]

so its 3 stacks, and im just any% speedrunning 3 stacks ?

[strong forum]

Yes

[tropic gorge]

Yeah he has 3

[sick sentinel]

17 ws i had, 2 dps died instantly to flame vents, we got to kujo, wiped 20% ish due to exlpoded box

[tropic gorge]

Their fault not yours

Tell em to stay behind the truck. It doesn't shit fire out the back

[sick sentinel]

"The tank doesn't know how to position it, it's not my fault" roughly translated

on disband

[tropic gorge]

All dps fails

With the dog only worry about parking him in front of the boxes for los

[sick sentinel]

worry about reflecting as many chomps as you can too or praying healer gets the off ones.

bit scary on tyranical

[tropic gorge]

Hehe

It can be

[mellow bridge]

you cant reflect that

and if dps die to the fire, it's def their fault

or the healers

need to stay further than 8y or behind the tank to take a lot less dmg

[tropic gorge]

But do reflect vampiric strike from the mini boss

[uneven mason]

Don't blame healers for dudebros looking at details rather than their feet

[sick sentinel]

blazing chomp you cant reflect it? i thought so, hmm

[mellow bridge]

you can use SR to reduce the dmg until the healer dispells you

[mellow bridge]

right, poor healers never do mistakes

[tropic gorge]

This needs repeating.

[uneven mason]

Sure they panic heal badbdps standing in bad and the tank dies

[sick sentinel]

yeah, hmmm checks out, cannot be reflected on wowhead

[strong forum]

I wish I could reflect kujo dot

That would be so insanely juicy

[cinder storm]

We would've been giga broken in bfa then

[strong forum]

Bdk can ams it

So atleast let me deflect it

[cinder storm]

Fair enough

[sick sentinel]

MS paint kujo

[cinder storm]

Or just have a hunter run away and feign, or a mage invis

[dawn canyon]

Ayo we know that guy

Lfr jailer?

Or sylv?

Wait no it's CN week

[thorny stone]

18.5mins of combat? Where? Lol

Ah nvm, must be a m+

[sick sentinel]

well, as i said, 2 of the dps got deleted to flame vents

[dawn canyon]

How are you so lucky as to play with the yogster

[sick sentinel]

so, that really slowed us down

[chrome falcon]

This is yogi he changed his name for reasons?

[dawn canyon]

💀

Oh

No Morshu threw me off

[spiral warren]

Wait who’s yogi

[urban portal]

Yea I got baited too

[spiral warren]

What happened to yogi

[dawn canyon]

Goldenmissing happened to him

[tropic gorge]

It's new and improved yogi

[spiral warren]

Sus

Poor yogi

[tropic gorge]

Or, meet the new yogi same as the old yogi

[spiral warren]

Why’d he change

[trim bay]

U can dwarf racial it off

[toxic pewter]

I miss yogi

[cinder storm]

I want the real yogi

[urban portal]

So true

[modern brook]

i understand what you're saying now and i hate it

[sick sentinel]

new arc? maybe.

[modern brook]

NEvermind x2 it is koji

[sick sentinel]

because "The tank doesn't know how to position it, it's not my fault"

[tropic gorge]

Dps fault 100 percent

Not yours. Fite me

[wintry nymph]

and another kyrian codex

lets go!

he bis items

[undone verge]

Nah it’s always the tanks fault, it’s not the 11k dps as you bled out slowly because the mobs are beating you to death while still at 90% health

[tropic gorge]

I forgot about that rule

[wintry nymph]

??

[tropic gorge]

It's always the tanks fault

Send em here

Be funny to watch them defend that statement

[wintry nymph]

xd

[modern brook]

people have been outing themselves as shitters for literally decades, this is nothing new

[wintry nymph]

kinda funny though

thing is

his tanking is really good

this is his alt

and he knows about codex thank god

[urban portal]

Does he know about codex tho

[sick sentinel]

if i get codex or grenade in vault 304 i might take it

[cinder storm]

For the lols....right?....right? padme.jpeg

[coral marsh]

what can i do when i get suddenly oneshot in phase 2 altimor?

i just stand in the middle and suddenly im oneshot

[dawn canyon]

Soul went in?

You can move the boss away from the soul

[cinder storm]

Check your death log

[drifting fable]

wouldnt think soul getting to him is a one shot

its just a damage buff on huntsman no?

more likely a roar went off

unless you didnt mitigate rip soul or something

[modern brook]

Weird question tbh

[dawn canyon]

What can you do abt it? Play the fight correctly

[coral marsh]

we killed him i moved him

[modern brook]

Either a) it's a missed Mechanic and you yell at your cotank about hoe fucking worthless your team is or b) it's a mitigation issue and you should really provide logs

[coral marsh]

do i need to move him for the little greens as well

or only the big soul

[dawn canyon]

The ones you have to heal?

Is thah the "green"

[coral marsh]

there is one big green and then there are some smaller ones

[drifting fable]

you need to move the dog everytime a mechanic happens basically

[coral marsh]

i moved him for all

i was tanking huntsman

[drifting fable]

oh well

thats really the guy whose tanking the dogs job tbh

i just make the guy tanking huntsman sit there

you should offer to tank the dog btw

we can mitigate rip soul real good

but yes i guess in a scenario where the dog tank fucks up

you should move boss from ghost/adds

[coral marsh]

or low heal

what do i have to do on devourer mythic

[dawn canyon]

Taunt off the mechanic

Remember you can SR the blue orb

Then depending on ur strat u have to move him to a corner

Before big suck

[ornate flint]

Is it easy to have 5 stacks of punish when tanking in single target?

15% DR in total

[urban portal]

Depends on your luck

Actually no

Because you are running punish

Meaning no devastator

Meaning no passive shield slams

[ornate flint]

Will a man die if jumping from the 8th floor? Answer "No, because he will live on the 2nd floor"

😛

I mean hypothetically

if you go for it?

[urban portal]

That’s not my point

[modern brook]

Also not how punish works

[urban portal]

You are getting significantly less slams

[modern brook]

Punish stacks are ignites

[urban portal]

So you can’t possibly keep high amounts of stacks overlapping

[modern brook]

1 trigger is 9s, 2nd trigger happens 3s later, you have 6s of double punish, 3s of 1 punish after first drops off

so the answer is "no" before you even consider how fewer slams u get

[ornate flint]

Right thx for clarifying

that explains it all

[urban portal]

I just assumed he meant whether he can keep 5 stacks on average

Could be doable in beta I guess

[ornate flint]

will it be worth going for it in dragonflight?

in current build

[modern brook]

🔮

[urban portal]

Could be on st

[modern brook]

probably not

[urban portal]

But probably not

[modern brook]

whos to say

[urban portal]

Thunderclap too op rn in aoe

Maybe fine on st

[coral marsh]

how many stacks can i soak on devourer mythic

before i reset

[ebon wren]

uh. dunno you tell us.. 7? 😀

[dawn canyon]

Try it out for a pull

[ebon wren]

its not like there's a set number bro, depends on your healer, you, your gear, the key level. you gotta feel it for yourself.

[lusty tiger]

I Live my taunt swap life through dbm alerts unless my rl/cotank says otherwise

[coral marsh]

we didnt make it

[urban portal]

Key level?

[dawn canyon]

Dont they mean devourer the raid boss

Cuz yknow

Both mana devourer and hungering devourer have stacks

Idk

[drifting fable]

id assume he does mean hungering since he was just asking about huntsman

[ebon wren]

oh. :p

[drifting fable]

livetweeting the mythic run

[coral marsh]

how are the first 2 bosses of sanctum, as easy as castle?

i tried the first on sepulcher and it was kind aids

[lusty tiger]

The second boss of sanctum is probably not too fun to pug mythic

[spiral warren]

^

Eh

[dawn canyon]

Pugging mythic is generally fucking shit

[spiral warren]

Actually I bet with double affix you don’t even need to swap sides

So just need to keep goober separated

But yeah what Phil said

[coral marsh]

now that i killed 2 myth bosses, is my vault loot table only these two?

[dawn canyon]

Ye

[coral marsh]

and can i upgrade 298 heroic gear to 311 mythic with the tokens?

[dawn canyon]

All mythic u killed in S4 is in the Pool

[dawn canyon]

Yes

[coral marsh]

so you can farm endboss gear on lfr and then upgrade to 311

[spiral warren]

Yes

But if you only kill 2 bosses a week

You probably won’t upgrade anything to 311 by the end of the season

[deep solar]

can you safely charge weave gunker in jy without a melee taking a hit?

[shut summit]

no

[thorny stone]

Never had to move away from the boss to dodge shit and got a melee dps killed?

[sick sentinel]

work shop free

[lusty tiger]

Did u 1v1 kujo?

[sick sentinel]

we didnt blow up the boxes, hooray

[undone verge]

Workshop becomes exponentially less free

[sick sentinel]

i have ho desire to 1v1 kuja, sorry, kujo, on a +25

and get deleted by blazing chomp

[spiral warren]

Good work yogi

[undone verge]

Honestly it’s not even kujo, it’s people not being able to dodge shit on 3rd and 4th boss

[sick sentinel]

its the fire sticks because it ramps up the damage, the flower can hurt too i think

rest is "don't stand in that"

[undone verge]

Dps are notoriously bad and don’t standing in that

[mellow bridge]

flower is very easy to deal with

you charge -> shockwave -> taunt it

then it will cast on you

and if youre quick enough your grp takes like 1-2 ticks max

but yea rest is a bit difficult

[undone verge]

Don’t even have to taunt it cause I believe it just attacks the closest person, or if it’s aggro based you should have it by then cause you should be the first one there

[chrome falcon]

it's whatever is closest

[turbid shuttle]

Hi. New to prot so maybe a dumb question, but I notice in m+ victory rush doesn't proc on every killed mob. It only seems to proc sometimes. Do I need to get the killing blow? Or does it have a cooldown?

[urban portal]

you have to do damage to it pretty shortly before it dies

its pretty inconsistent

[turbid shuttle]

interesting thanks. I'll try to be mindful of when mobs are low and get a revenge in shortly before they die.

[warm plinth]

It's not worth trying to play around it. You either get the killing blow or you don't.

[turbid shuttle]

fair enough. thanks. I guess most of the self-healing comes from indom.

Coming from vdh it's interesting. you don't really self-heal, but you mitigate a ton so it kinda balances out. but overall seems like less individual agency over your hp bar.

[warm plinth]

Yeah, prot has almost always been like that. Don't need self-healing if you don't take damage kind of thing. We've had legendary effects/other borrowed power that has given us ways to heal but that's not really a core characteristic of the spec.

[turbid shuttle]

I think I prefer that over the "you got 1-rounded because you weren't in meta" style of vdh

[warm plinth]

I would agree lol

[turbid shuttle]

would you say prot is kinda slept on in s4? they seem really strong at a glance

[warm plinth]

Not really. We're definitely in a good place but BDK is just so ridiculously broken that it's not surprising that prot gets passed by

[turbid shuttle]

yeah bdk is dumb

[warm plinth]

Yeah BDK is just one of those specs that is really difficult to tune properly because they either have a much higher skill floor than other tanks or they're a faceroll spec. Doesn't seem to be much in between lol

[chrome falcon]

unless you're doing giga stupid keys like 28+ you kinda have agency over your healthbar because you can make it so it never goes down

[sick sentinel]

only has CD if you take impending victory, which you probably don't want to do

Its in the same row as indomitable so no

We get iv next expac tho

[mighty valley]

I think prot is slept on because the perception has been “garbage spec” when the reality is “doing fine, just not literally the most powerful”

[cobalt seal]

the most powerful while playing like shit*

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit Hi friends, hope you're having a wonderful day

[potent anvil]

[shut summit]

[mortal brook]

[onyx vessel]

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[ionic fern]

Hi. ❤️

[deep plume]

covenant

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

[lilac bloom]

doing heroic sire on p3 he does a knock im infront of him somehow he knock me to the front ending up flying off the edge twice... why

[dawn canyon]

Were you inside his hitbox?

[lilac bloom]

ya

[dawn canyon]

Probably dont wanna do that or it might consider you "behind" him

[lilac bloom]

ohh.. ok prpbably y then so i have to be out of his hit box cos i was standing next to him and add

trying to position him on p3 and when knock back came i guess i stood there thinking if i was infront of him i would not get knock to front but backwards... now i know

[dawn canyon]

Unless you were doing mythic accidentally 👀

[lilac bloom]

no it was heroic i just dont know why a lot of times im infront of him instead of knocking me back it knocks me to the front

[dawn canyon]

Ive never had issues previously so i could only imagine being inside him being the issue

[lilac bloom]

ya i will move away from him when he does that

[dawn canyon]

He's a bit cheeky to position at times tbf

[lilac bloom]

he is but its just knock back gets tricky

everything else is finr

[dawn canyon]

I always disliked that in p1

P2 i really enjoyed

P3 is just about alright

Tanking wise

For dps i prefer P3 over P2

[wintry nymph]

i used to play DK in CN

so i actually had to learn how to stack reset

when i started playing warr

in p1

[dawn canyon]

I mean it's not that bad

[wintry nymph]

i know, but its just weird

after playing a whole patch not being bothered by it

its funny how many mechanics dk's can cancel out either with AMS / Deaths Advance

in a lot of content

the pull in on artificer can also be cancelled with Deaths Advance

[dawn canyon]

Tbf arti you just leap and it's kinda non issue

War felt better on remnant than dk

[wintry nymph]

oh i definetly prefer warrior on a lot of fights

either intervene on an ally, charge on boss or simply jump away

[dawn canyon]

Gromnak intervene clip

[wintry nymph]

which?

[dawn canyon]

He intervenes a tank on render, gets oneshot and malds

[wintry nymph]

😂

[cinder nova]

Just press Shield Block.

[dense hound]

Hey guys, any super secret strategy to avoid the first mob in GD after first boss to run amok ? Taunt CD too high lmao

[cinder nova]

Like... the grenadiers, or?

What the fuck are you doing that requires you to be hammering taunt off CD 🤔

[river fiber]

Is this the one on the stairs that randomly drops taunt to gib another party member?

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-disbelief-what-gif-14044968

I've literally never seen this, for real. What are y'all talking about

[river fiber]

So after the first boss you go up those stairs and there are two mobs throwing down bombs donkey Kong style. The first one is a bit wonky and will randomly drop aggro and attack someone else. This only seems to happen, completely anecdotally, when you keep him on the stairs.

[dusk jay]

if you keep running up and down the platform you lose aggro, no clue why you would do that though. Or at least thats what I've heard

[cinder nova]

The first one is Zulgamux wat

There's two grenadiers, and only one of them is really a grenadier

Unless in the intervening week that I've been on holiday they changed her position in GD which would be a fucking nightmare please no.

[sick sentinel]

#protection message you during shield block uptime

[cinder nova]

Yeah, assuming this ☝️ is true, just stop losing your mind and sidestep bombs? I dunno, I've literally never had this issue and I tank him where I see him at the top of the ramp.

[dusk jay]

he means after you kill zulg and infil, there are 2 bomber dudes, 1 halfway up the stairs and 1 at the top

[sick sentinel]

more like parry, but i dont know of a good shield blocking gif, and nome did namehimself parrygodx at some point

[cinder nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, again, just tank them where you see them. I guess?

[sick sentinel]

i have to, or i dont, but i have 17 id this time

less confident about first 40% of dungeon

[cinder nova]

GD is such a chill dungeon imo.

[sick sentinel]

not sure what the mobs do or how many to pull, dont know ins and outs of bossee

[cinder nova]

Even on the toxic shit that was inspiring.

Well...
Bosses

• First boss you stack the big guy on the goblin. Have him charge the stack of boxes the goblin is on to get him down. Bring the goblin to sub 20% then leave him alone - even the orc's health with the goblin then cleave.
• Second boss it's easier to tank in cover from the wind, prio getting aggro and then making sure you aren't facing gunner at your group. Tank them and boss near a turret.
• Third, don't stand in traps, watch the facing when she spears so you don't get pegged and given a prostate massage. Press SR and walk into a lightning zone on the ground for free damage.

Trash

• The goblins in the first part you just kick and CC, face the orcs away from your group so they don't charge and kill people.
• Sidestep gunner frontal, aim the bombers away so you don't have your group having to dodge shit.
• CC the Cinderseers so they can't cast Flametongue. If it goes down, move the fuck out and bring the trash with you out of it.
• Kick shaman shield, or purge it, don't stand in Thunder Zone.
• Melee DPS need to not be clowns and avoid getting hit by Reckless Slash by the captain

That's the whole dungeon tbh.

[sick sentinel]

the part im scared about tbh is right after you do first boss you have to grouo up the mobs in some kind of way so stars can kill them

and reckless provocation

[cinder nova]

Oh, you mean you have no idea how Iron Docks works.

Reckless Prov should be taken care of by your DPS/Healers, it can be dispelled.

[sick sentinel]

probably not if thats how you want to say it lol

[cinder nova]

I have a bit less knowledge about trash in ID, tbh, but at 17 it's a press W route

[sick sentinel]

i just found last time i atracked into it to see what it did, i think it did a boat load of dmg and bad things to me

[cinder nova]

Just press Berserker Rage if you're that paranoid, but if your DPS aren't handling they're inting.

[sick sentinel]

i read how it works, its just one of the abilities ijm scared of fro that dungeon

feared into fire with a giant orc beating on your skull, sounds lie great time

[cinder nova]

It's a harder mechanic at lower keys because you can expect DPS and Healers to be absolute circus clowns with it.

But it's literally nonexistent if you have people who aren't absolute jacknapes

[sick sentinel]

im circus clown of sleep circles, magnetically attracted to them even

got me killed first key i did of s4, still getting me killed

[cinder nova]

Be more aware and vigilant, I guess?

There's no silver bullet to awareness besides discipline to be conscious of its position.

[tropic gorge]

Morn golden. Ran a ws19 last night and my pug dps didn't die to the dog

Confirmed to me what I told you yesterday. Your ws wipe wasn't your fault

They did die to the jihad ooze tho lol

[cinder nova]

people are dying to kujo?

Leap is a bit of a CD-management check after a certain key level, but I hope they're dying to it and not vent

[tropic gorge]

The pulls to kujo are some of my favorite. Especially when mele gets roflstomped to ooze. I'll Shockwave them and run away, and someone always dies

[sick sentinel]

its extremelt troll, literal hides under the carpets in hallway to maiden to where you can barely see it

[cinder nova]

Yeah don't tank them near the carpets is my suggestion.

But I also don't ever have that issue either, my DPS tend to just zerg down infiltrators as they cleave.

[tropic gorge]

Ah the grind for thunder fury continues this weekend. After many, many years of Mc runs to Garr and gheddon, my mage got a binding.

Hopefully I'll get the 2nd one in a much, much shorter time. I've been running Mc on and off since bc for a tf

[cinder nova]

An old guildmate of mine started in BFA and got both bindings on his first run in MC.

And got Ashes of Al'ar on his first TK run.

And both glaives in one month.

He's been prohibitively lucky and I mald every time I think about it.

He also got Tusks first try.

I fucking hate him so much.

He doesn't even have a plate toon

I should clarify, he has both bindings and has done nothing with them.

[tropic gorge]

Lol
Rouge, mage, war and paladin can use it iirc

[cinder nova]

Tusks?

[tropic gorge]

Tf

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure anyone that can use a sword, no?

[tropic gorge]

Probably. I haven't seen one in forever, and I don't recall if the binding is still class locked

[cinder nova]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Wrong person to ask, I don't give a shit about most grindable collectables.

Tusks I want, but that's just because it's... I mean it's just a warrior staple.

If I could find a way to mog Tusks, MT shield, and the MT mog all together.

I would.

But I can already foresee that being an optical migraine.

[uneven mason]

Clips like a bitch

[tropic gorge]

I want a war banner mog to wear around

With the iron forge sigil on it.

[uneven mason]

Yeah whatever happened to the cosmetic quivers and librams and such that they had promised us in legion....oh right.....BFA and "we don't want to pay artists to design stuff anymore so we're cutting tier sets"

[tropic gorge]

That's sad. The art and music teams never miss and are always on point

[uneven mason]

Warriors should totally have a set of banners that we can put any tabard art on

[tropic gorge]

I'd trade having a visible cloak for a war banner

[uneven mason]

1000000%

[tropic gorge]

We had one for a little bit. I think in either cata or mop I don't exactly recall

I got the alliance banner from pvp level 10. Which is cool, I can't customize the banner however

The warrior class icon, color, or the sigil of ironforge is what I'd really like tho

[cinder nova]

I'll be honest, I don't see nearly as much desire for class fantasy in other discords ad I see in warrior.

I'm not sure if that's a sense of pride or dismay, because it could stem from the diehard loyalty some feel for the class or the general lack of concrete class fantasy some other classes seem to have by their nature.

[strong forum]

Lots of people just want to be OP

[sick sentinel]

hard to blame someone for wanting to play overpowered

[static aspen]

If all classes are s tier, then none of them are s tier. Let that sink in

[sick sentinel]

yes, the old if everything's on sale nothing's on sale

[uneven mason]

I know some folks scoff at his writing but Matthew Rossi summarized why alot of people who play warriors tend to be very passionate about the class, to poorly paraphrase.
We don't call on some mystical power or rely on beasts, we're the weapon, our power comes from sheer fucking grit, and that's alot more relatable than throwing some windchime hammer.

[cinder nova]

I like how mentioning class fantasy the first four responses are about not class fantasy

But yeah, that's why I like warrior, so makes sense.

[sick sentinel]

i really liked rogue, but i just always hated how it took 45 minutes to get into a dungeon, and how i couldn't just perma-backstab enemies

[cinder nova]

You aren't consorting with an external power.

Local man literally too angry to die

It's the Rip and Tear fantasy

[uneven mason]

It's why wevask for class fantasy more than others, because longtime warriors are way more invested in the character

[uneven mason]

10000%

[sick sentinel]

rogue is incredible lot of the ways warrior is, just you and your daggers little bit of know how to open a door silently and sneak past

have you guys ever played thief?

play rogue is alot like playing thief

thats were the sap abilitiy comes from

[uneven mason]

I mean sap comes from the weapon used to do it, also called a blackjack

[sick sentinel]

i always figured it was like, you sap them of their energy by hitting them in a spot to KO them

[uneven mason]

Basically a leather sling with a lead/iron weight I'm the end of it.

Yeah if you consider a device created specifically used for concussing people

Sapping energy

[sick sentinel]

would be like, yeah, your a cop with a billy stick and you see some guy sticking a gun at another guy in dark street robbery so you go hit him in back of head swift bop, so he's out long enough to capture him

[uneven mason]

A sap is a thief's tool specifically because it was easy to conceal, some could be rolled up to look like tobacco pouches or coin purses, really great stuff.

[sick sentinel]

they still do the same in modern military, put a couple of bars of soap in a pair of socks and beat crap out of someone making platoon life hell, like full metal jacket movie

[cinder nova]

Yeah, saps are just small instruments to nonlethally biff someone into compliance, submission, or unconsciousness.

One could imagine you could also injure someone or kill them, but it'd take considerably more effort.

Or hitting them somewhere incredibly sensitive like the temple.

Pretty sure more than one rogue talent, spell, and ability historically has had its named cribbed from weapons and tools of swashbucklers, thieves, brigands, and highwaymen.

There's actually this video from forever ago that has weird kpop stan music, but it's really well animated - especially for its time.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7xke9

It's a bit masturbatory for rogues, but it's up there with what I think most want out of class fantasy.

[sick sentinel]

i feel like whoever was designing rogue class was using the game theif 2 as their holy bible to draw inpsiration from

[uneven mason]

Tbh I haven't touched my rogue since my favorite spec was obliterated because someone had a hard on for pirates

[sick sentinel]

there is alot of similarities between garret and rogue game play

i sucked at the game when it came out for pcs around 1998 and it had low FPS, so i mostly know the rest through a youtuber

[tropic gorge]

I've always thought the original classes and designs were taken from dnd

[cinder nova]

You mean 2004

[tropic gorge]

Rog, lock, mage are obvious. Warrior would be fighter etc

[cinder nova]

Lock and mage aren't obvious. D&D only recently added the advent of warlocks in 5e.

Mage is more akin to wiznerds.

But even D&D wizards are a very different stripe to WoW.

[sick sentinel]

it was probably theif 1, my apologies cuz i got it from family and was trying to run it on a pentium 90 computer lol

[cinder nova]

That is, earliest iterations of wizards. They started old as dirt, usually very fragile, and were basically dead weight until they had 3rd level spells... which was a while since each class had separate XP tracks. Fighters needed very little, wizards needed the most.

Plus you also got your spells dripfed to you by some giganerd that was effectively your mentor.

But in practice, was just the DM.

[lusty tiger]

I found vanilla to play a lot like dnd, but I did start on 5e

[cinder nova]

5e D&D is such a far cry from the earliest iterations. To give you an idea, until like 3e casting haste aged you a few years and you had to make a save or die from system shock due to it.

[uneven mason]

4th and 5th Ed borrowed alot from MMO

[sick sentinel]

it couldn't run that and uh....

[uneven mason]

3.5 is best

[cinder nova]

3.5e is garbage, bad take.

[tropic gorge]

Is that mech warrior

[cinder nova]

It is.

[lusty tiger]

U guys must not be zoomers

[sick sentinel]

this one battlezone 98, kinda like a boring starcraft with russia vs usa

[tropic gorge]

I remember going into radio shack when I was a kid, a d the pc they had on sale running mw1

[cinder nova]

Looks like a lot was taken from BattleTech and MechWarr

[sick sentinel]

the weapons were cool

[cinder nova]

3.5e had such massive bloat with splats, the skills were unreasonably prohibitive, and class features were so far and few between that some classes felt dead all the way to 20th. The few you did get were usually dogshit if they weren't spellcasting or whacky shit from aforementioned splats.

[sick sentinel]

that was in the dos version as well

[cinder nova]

Plus CMs were clunky as fuck.

[lusty tiger]

5e plays well unless you have party members with summons

[tropic gorge]

Vanilla wow was to me dnd mixed with LOTR. And it was glorious

[cinder nova]

5e puts too much on the DM to manage and has a lot less concrete backend. The fact magic items aren't even priced out boggles the mind.

Also their APs are just awful.

[tropic gorge]

A bit of wheel of time and a lot of lotr

[lusty tiger]

I had an amazing dm

[cinder nova]

Any system can be good with a good dm. Bad systems suffer with okay to mediocre ones. Bad dms can ruin any system, no matter how good.

5e falls squarely in the centre of that, which is why I detest it.

It's a great introductory system.

But as far as mainstay, I wouldn't bother with it.

[lusty tiger]

He did “modded” stuff

We could work on balancing w him

[sick sentinel]

i can do many things, heal, tank, dps craft things whatever in a dnd setting, but i cannot DM or quick solve puzzles for the life of me

if i have to think critically fast, GG

[cinder nova]

Pathfinder 1e is... better than 3.5e, but it suffers from the same system bloat and there's a lot of stuff in the Player Companions that were not well-vetted in terms of balance. Careful examination of what your players are trying to ask for or do can ameliorate this issue, but it's a chore if anything.

PF2e is annoying to get one's head around if you played any of the original D&D stuff - especially 3e, 3.5e, and PF1e.

But it's very, very tight. The math makes things feel annoyingly constrained, however, and the nature of the system being far more explicit on what can and can't happen makes a lot of DMs afraid of improvising rule of cool stuff.

It's starting to hit its stride with newer content, but I'd just stay as far away from the APs for 2e as you can.

So far they've been written with an insulting level of mediocrity compared to their 1e APs which had a lot of depth, NPC interaction, and generally interesting history and themes with more narratively interesting encounters.

2e APs feel like they just throw fights in to check a box on the XP track half the time and it makes me want to eat my foreskin.

Can you tell I play a lot of tabletop yet?

[sick sentinel]

i only ever visit /tg/ for FNM

[lusty tiger]

Yogi is gonna dm a game for us

[sick sentinel]

that's.... that's terrible idea

[cinder nova]

I'm DMing for a Rise of the Runelords game, but I'm also extraordinarily anal retentive when it comes to optics so I have to have high fidelity maps and uniform tokens, and it creates a lot of extra work. I also have to find good ambience and music, which just adds to the pile.

[tropic gorge]

I'd be down for that

[sick sentinel]

i went to a game night once to play their game and it somehow ended up that i was going to become the monster in the house, and i had to manage all these tentacles coming out the walls and shit like stranger things basically

[cinder nova]

I don't do it often because of that weird level of "perfectionism"

[tropic gorge]

Skyhold dnd game with yogi dm

Let's gooooo

[sick sentinel]

and i got way too lost taking care of that

i was literally vecna before vecna

[lusty tiger]

When you’re cooking you never present then oddly cut pieces

[sick sentinel]

something got control and turned me into tentacle man in creepy mansion

[lusty tiger]

U playing more dating sims yogi?

That’s a pretty wild one

[sick sentinel]

somebody had a stick of dynamyte with them, so they tried to throw it at him but i just remember the result of that was somehow netural/negative

[cinder nova]

To give you an idea of what I normally do...
https://i.imgur.com/tlA3V2e.png

[sick sentinel]

yeah, back in 1995 on newgrounds

[cinder nova]

https://i.imgur.com/2Y9Ivr7.jpeg

Forgive the low resolution, I'm on a laptop on holiday, but that's the kind of slave labor I put myself through just so everything is consistent.

I personally don't mind rougher media in games as a player, but for some reason as a DM I feel like it has to look trim and clean.

[sick sentinel]

he a warrior

[cinder nova]

Actually an ogre ranger.

The guy in the upper right is a fighter.

The rest are just mooks with no class levels.

[sick sentinel]

i guess he does have a skull

[lusty tiger]

Big ol forehead

[cinder nova]

I tend to buff NPCs with class levels rather than add more and more because they congest combat and make it drag.

[lusty tiger]

I think setting makes sense too

[cinder nova]

So usually I've have one or two mid-level foes, then two or three low-level foes, and the rest chaff.

That way you have a defined power structure and you can play with some different toys to shake up an engagement.

These are the player tokens...

[lusty tiger]

I could never do a good backstory for my chars I’m not a fanfic writer I guess

[sick sentinel]

i hate taking down the numbers and remembering in whichorder they have togo

[cinder nova]

https://i.imgur.com/W2TFrDK.png

[lusty tiger]

There’s a lot of software that makes that easy now

[sick sentinel]

shooter games is better fit for me, cuz you hit or you don't very simple 12345

[cinder nova]

Again, fidelity is dogshit because I'm on a thinkpad

But the raw files are much cleaner.

[lusty tiger]

U need some arch Linux in you life on that laptop

[sick sentinel]

i also play workld of tanks, probably unsurprisingly

that game is like chess

[cinder nova]

From left to right:

• Artur Havorsson, Ulfen Hospitaler Paladin
• Grigori, Varisian Mysterious Stranger Gunslinger
• Zarka, Half-orc Barbarian
• Bellamy, Varisian Scroll Scholar Wizard
• Ostela, Varisian Occult Oracle.

[cinder nova]

I find it easier to make character history if it's anchored in the setting's actual history and elements.

Making 'generic' sort of setting agnostic shit makes me want to pull my eyes out.

For example, one of my villain PCs in an evil campaign is responsible for an actual event of war crimes.

And I did some digging on the natural way of living in his country of origin.

[silver narwhal]

Hello there! I just dinged 60 on my Protection Warrior. I was wondering which slots are best for legendaries?

[tropic gorge]

Wrist is usually a goto now

You'll want a slot with a low Stat budget atm

I'm using boots atm for my primary. Not exactly the best but works

[modern brook]

I'd suggest referencing the icy veins guide for macro questions like thay

[dawn canyon]

Or the wowhead guide, same thing really

[tropic gorge]

Bottom of the pins also has suggested slots

[lusty tiger]

Can also check the dragon guide in preparation for df

[silver narwhal]

Hey, so weird question. I don't have Devastate in my spellbook. Has it been removed?

[lusty tiger]

Read devastator talent

[tropic gorge]

You'll want to take devistator. Promise

May feel weird at first if you're used to using devastate.

[silver narwhal]

It really does, haha!

How often do you use Revenge? Only when free?

[urban portal]

a lot

[tropic gorge]

A whole lot.

Ofc always use it when it's free, but even when it's free shield slam is always priority. Due to how revenge can reset ss

[lusty tiger]

Block(if being melee’d)>Ss>tc(if low rage)>revenge

[tropic gorge]

To add, I'm in the camp that having block up for bigger ss hits/crits is worth it

[modern brook]

I would highly recommend reading the guide it's going to answer all of these questions as well as address stuff you dont know you don't know.

[undone verge]

Boots for reprisal, cloak wrists belt for unity

I usually just run whatever is cheapest

[raven kettle]

what do you guys think of dragonflight talents?

im messing around on the PTR with them I wish I had access to full talents or the beta

[modern brook]

#997237573514690620 would have stronger opinions

[tropic gorge]

Everything you see and experience in the ptr or beta will change next week (tm)

[static aspen]

can anyone help me? i have ulocked 7/7 zereth mortis on my main, but when i have crafted unity for my prot warrior i cant equip it

what did i miss ?

how i get 2 legendaries for alt?

[minor helm]

You have to use unity

[static aspen]

what do you mean use

[minor helm]

I’m sorry I read half your message

[urban portal]

we have no context here

[dawn canyon]

Try relogging

[minor helm]

You have to show us the leggos I guess

[dawn canyon]

Unequip and re equip

[static aspen]

i have repisal on boots

[minor helm]

Yeah show us the tooltip for each leggo

Just hover the item

[static aspen]

why cant i use two of them

the fuck xd

[lofty widget]

it has the be called "unity"

[static aspen]

fuck

[minor helm]

Yeah you made glory

[dawn canyon]

You made the wrong item

[static aspen]

nice

[minor helm]

[dawn canyon]

Jush use the free one u got for now

Thatll work 100%

[minor helm]

At least you can refund the crafting stuff

[static aspen]

but how do i get unity

if i havent finished 7/7 on my alt

[minor helm]

Do you have the memory?

[static aspen]

i think?

[minor helm]

The memory is account wide

Otherwise you have to do the story till you unlock the 265

[static aspen]

ill check my main, but what exactly i need to find ?

[minor helm]

Just open adventure guide

Go to powers

And find unity in it

[static aspen]

OK

[minor helm]

If it’s lit up you have it

[static aspen]

its not there for alt

so i guess i nee dto unlock it on main

[minor helm]

It’s still greyed out?

[sick sentinel]

if u unlocked unity, u unlocked it for all

[static aspen]

ya also for main. where do i find unity memory?

[minor helm]

You have to buy it

[static aspen]

k i see

revered rep

😴

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

u simply have to complete the main quests and then purchase it of a vendor, im pretty sure

[static aspen]

SCAM

[sick sentinel]

cuz you get an item in ur bags

[minor helm]

Nope revered

[dawn canyon]

Tbf

[static aspen]

i understand ,thanks

got scammed by blizzard, again

thanks obama

[dawn canyon]

@static aspen go to ZM Console and unlock 3rd WQ asap

[sick sentinel]

i mean, u get revered and then u get it off a vendor.. lol

[static aspen]

thankjs guys for clarifying at least

[sick sentinel]

thats literally what i meant

[dawn canyon]

Makes it go down fast

[sick sentinel]

i doin't think u just, get it for free magically in ur bags

[dawn canyon]

I am so confused brev

Is there 2 yogis

[static aspen]

whats the zereth mortis rep called?

[dawn canyon]

Or whah

[dawn canyon]

Enlightened

The *

[static aspen]

2k/6k

amazing

[minor helm]

Hell of a way to go

Would just do the quest line

[static aspen]

yeah i guess maid

either that or wait for DF lmao

[minor helm]

Yeah or that

[static aspen]

seems fair tho

ok cheers

[sick sentinel]

ohhh

so, i've just killed reckless provocated dude,

i know that we have to kill a whole bunch of these as many as we can, and im wondering if there is a min route for that for secret tech orsomethin

[drifting fable]

the stars have a target cap of 15 before they stop so theres that to start

[dawn canyon]

So you wanna hit 45 mobs

And defo try get the orgrons

[drifting fable]

tanks job to line them up for dps. 3rd star someone can hold and tank can run and pull technically all the way to the Gronn in between the boxes before 2nd boss

and bring them all back

[dawn canyon]

Or eyes of the beast tech it

[sick sentinel]

best plan i have so far, me as green line

[drifting fable]

thats safe but you can pull way more trash for the 3rd one as long as the first two hit enough

like you can mount and go farrr and drag em back

then just funnel through the corner

[sick sentinel]

im not entirely sure, but seems like you start on ahri'ok or makogg for boss 2 because it has a heal spell

[cobalt seal]

lets break a few rules

||FU Apb||

@toxic pewter

[toxic pewter]

Lol wat I do

I just really dislike spirit bomb playstyle

[south zealot]

why

[strong forum]

but thats literally VDH identity

[toxic pewter]

I dunno I just find it annoying ability

[south zealot]

whats the difference between that and non spirit bomb dh

[toxic pewter]

I can expand but im in middle of something atm

[south zealot]

thats like saying i dont like shield slam prot warrior

[toxic pewter]

I think vdh is worse off with spirit bomb and soul cleave being similar abilities, if anything I guess they can rework soul cleave. It just feels super awkward having bouth being similar functions

I just find the 2 abilities are awkward

[cobalt seal]

revenge whirlind?

[south zealot]

well you NEVER press whirlwind

isnt soul cleave better st

[cobalt seal]

it is

up to like 3 targets

[south zealot]

more like epidemic vs death coul

[toxic pewter]

thats actually a decent comparison now that you mention it

[sick sentinel]

its dumb idea but WW could affect next SS to hit 2-3 targets total, for prot, like how fury gets a thing for using it

[broken crater]

@toxic pewter was that you posting about spirit bomb on vdh talent wowhead post? 😂😂

Oh guess I'm late to the party

[modern brook]

Whirlwind should be fury only tbh

[jagged pier]

Wow its like ive been saying that since SL alpha

[modern brook]

It's true I just echo Jake's opinions

[jagged pier]

Finally I'm rubbing off on ppl only took 2 years

[modern brook]

Tfw Jake rubs off on me

[jagged pier]

[mighty valley]

almost everything they brought back in 9.0 after the pruning was pointless

[modern brook]

For warrior at least yeah

[jagged pier]

Yes

[modern brook]

I'm sure some class some where got something they're happy with

But fury wars can rejoice that they can now make the player choice to not press shield block so that's cool

[dawn canyon]

If i say this i get in trouble smh man

[minor helm]

That’s right fillup unless you wanna hangout with soda

[dawn canyon]

I still am

Soda wants to take roids

Think it suits him

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[minor helm]

Cursed timeline

[dawn canyon]

Soda on roids would be blessed content

[toxic pewter]

Lmao I love Ion

he is my favorite wow game director and employee of all time

[toxic pewter]

Hell yeah grats

[tropic gorge]

grats

[sick sentinel]

18 upper now, i dunno

[jagged pier]

Ez key when u get past med

[echo canyon]

im not sure booming voice or best served cold what is better overall?

[lofty widget]

sim it for dmg although im not sure the difference is very big, BV makes banner uptime easier tho

[blazing condor]

For banner BV is nice

I played BSC a while and didnt really see a big diff

This was like 3 months ago tho so idk. Id go booming todsy tho

[undone verge]

BM also has the 20% increased dmg taken while demo shout is active which is nice

[trim bay]

my banner up time in workshop is hanus