since you can just grind a 298 with good stats
#protection
lofty widget
drifting fable
yeah its like 1k valor or something from their current neck
balmy canyon
Ok, so no choker. Guess I'm taking sockets this week then
cinder nova
Shouldn't you just unity your neck
You're sandbagging primaries
Or does wrist Unity sim higher? š¤
drifting fable
my wrist unity sims higher but it probably depends on your gear
and i cant imagine its crazy different
lusty grotto
at this point im probably doing unity on cloak
sick sentinel
no more warrior unity recrafts for me
muted spoke
304 crit haste speed 1h or 304 crit - mastery + shield, assuming I don't have any of them at 304 ilv (wearing 291 1h and 298 shield)?
muted spoke
I don't unfort... yeah I think the +6 block value is really good, even that the stats are kinda meh for prot? crit - mastery +...
lusty grotto
there is no better stat shield in M+ for us
both shields that are "good" are similar
its that one and the GD one
and GD is crit vers
drifting fable
shield is the play, the secondaries are whatever generally
lusty grotto
yea agreed
drifting fable
juicy juicy armor
muted spoke
yup, i'll get it =] ty
modern brook
Same but SOMEONE didnt run me last week @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
fiery badge
Any viable way to not do reprisal gameplay
drifting fable
sure other builds are viable
theyre just much harder to stay alive with and do less damage
so viable is subjective
up to a certain point of course
undone verge
In raid you can run the wall but itās meh
Donāt think the wall is super good in m+ tho
undone verge
For mid range keys itās alright
modern brook
"no" is the word you guys are looking for
lofty widget
can you time keys with wall? yes. is it competitive in any way with reprisal? nope
drifting fable
well i mean if hes running 15s then go for it the wall is very āviableā
yeah that
people have cleared 20-25 with wall so if you really despise reprisal that much, theres your answer
strong forum
It's possible, but you're not doing yourself any favours
fiery badge
Yeah bro Iām not a main tank, I would be doing lowish stuff like 15s
The thought of having to jump out of a pack and charge back in seems annoying
lusty grotto
intervene melee
lofty widget
yeah thats why you dont do that
drifting fable
dont always have to jump. the range is alot smaller than you probably think
lofty widget
in most cases you just walk out and cahrge back in
drifting fable
charge casters, shockwave
lusty grotto
a lot of us dont prefer it but its def better than kiting so yeah, plus it synergizes extremely well with tier and unity
as you generate rage when charging etc
lusty grotto
i dont doubt it
fiery badge
What about seismic reverb
lofty widget
no
drifting fable
again, viable at those key levels for sure but you have to work around it
strong forum
wall is actually almost even to rep in rage gen
In s3 it was like 40% less rage/s
drifting fable
pull mobs onto bosses, ensure youre always hitting 3 mobs, etc
strong forum
Dunno about now with the haste affix
drifting fable
^
modern brook
but if you're looking for an endorsement its going to be reprisal
if you want to not use that go wild
drifting fable
leaper 
lofty widget
In s3 it was like 40% less rage/s
hmm really, just pulled up a log from this season with 420 ss casts that would be 2k ish rage from wall, my reprisal generated 2.2k
still turtle
eh...thoughts
modern brook
hmm really, just pulled up a log from this season with 420 ss casts that would b...
nice
strong forum
hmm really, just pulled up a log from this season with 420 ss casts that would b...
What about the free revenge and SB
But yeh I guess wall is closer now
jagged pier
eh...thoughts
scars
drifting fable
eye / scars for a damage trinket otherwise sockets i guess
lofty widget
yea didnt take those into account cause it doesnt funnel into AM tier or banner
toxic pewter
whats better 2 sockets or 6 ilvls on a ring (also lose a socket on ring swapping out)
still turtle
yeah not sure i want to take downside of scars. but ive never used it
lofty widget
but that s why rep is so good right, cause we get that for free on top
still turtle
eye supposed to be good single target yeah? should be situational this week i assume
strong forum
whats better 2 sockets or 6 ilvls on a ring (also lose a socket on ring swapping...
Sockets
drifting fable
eye probably is our best single target sim trinket besides sfa
still turtle
im fully gemmed up
strong forum
6ilvl on Ring is 10 stats
still turtle
fully socketed
drifting fable
espcially 304
toxic pewter
ok thanks
strong forum
If you're fully socketed, sure then the ilvl upgrade is ofc better
strong forum
Eye of command is better st dmg, scars is better everywhere else
still turtle
hopefully 25+ this week
strong forum
Also the more you know Moment Inc
The 10% dmg increase from scars only counts for auto attacks
modern brook
still turtle
alrighty guess ill be simming lol. wish i would have gotten armor more than anything but not complaining
undone verge
More ādoableā then viable
modern brook
More ādoableā then viable
thats my tinder bio
stable valve
The 10% dmg increase from scars only counts for auto attacks
So itās pretty stronk for us then yeah? Assuming not doing mega high keys
strong forum
ya
stable valve
For under 25s I might pick one up (2 dinar left) and use that + OWS
minor helm
fiery badge
Whatās wrong with Bike
lusty grotto
you mean besides the fact that it can pull the entire Hulk car?
uneven mason
you mean besides the fact that it can pull the entire Hulk car?
Quick, hard kite!
lusty grotto
nothing
toxic pewter
how does bike trinket work? I guess does your positioning determine where it spawns from or what?
lusty grotto
admittedly its funny having it pull all 3 seer packs and having dps kill themselves
because they cant kick shield worth shit
bike in lower
lmaooooooo
pastel sleet
can someone explain to me the thoughts behind Ravager over ITF?
mellow bridge
how does bike trinket work? I guess does your positioning determine where it spa...
yea it always spawns from the same direciton and distance
but i dont remember which direction it is
mellow bridge
can someone explain to me the thoughts behind Ravager over ITF?
in m+ you regularly do not have 5 targets for your ITF stacks
and ravager does more damage in aoe
especially on bosses you often wont have your ITF stacks which is where ITF should be better than ravager
dawn canyon
And great threat
pastel sleet
bet
weary lodge
yea it always spawns from the same direciton and distance
It's like 7 or 8 o'clock from your player front
or is it based on your target?
zinc shale
Getting absolutely demolished by nulifier in upper kara
Arcane strike fucking me over so hard
lusty grotto
reflect
uneven mason
Reflect the bigger one
onyx briar
I'm sitting at 28% haste with the two mechagon rings. I have another ring with much more haste, and a neck with haste but lower ilvl, 278 vs 282. Should I use the pieces with haste to get above 30% or just go with highest ilvl?
lusty grotto
highest ilvl
zinc shale
its deflected
is arcane strike even a cast, isnt that just his melee
onyx briar
That's what I'm doing, but wanted to ask here to be sure.
drifting fable
I'm sitting at 28% haste with the two mechagon rings. I have another ring with m...
i wouldnt break the mechagon set just fyi
unless you have a shitty combo
onyx briar
3 abilities haste buff
onyx briar
I got super lucky last night. It dropped for a hunter that didn't need it, so three of us rolled for it and I won
I should prob play the lottery
lusty grotto
meanwhile vault decides to give me 304 shop ring when i have a socketed 298
its like the vault is taunting me
onyx briar
Hell my vault had a 304 sack trinket and 298 chest...
I took the chest so I could turn it into tier if I needed, but I've already got all 5 tier pieces
still turtle
its like the vault is taunting me
Yeah. Vault is the troll god
cinder storm
thats some peak content
undone verge
does necrotic affect ignore pain absorb?
lofty widget
yea
lusty grotto
just be dwarf 
kiting
this is my first necrotic since i resubbed from s1
so i'm wondering if anything has changed maybe due to banner/str -> parry gains
probably nothing but still worth asking
more specifically bosses since its tyrannical week
wintry nymph
lusty grotto
even that guy with his codex has mechagon ring combo yikes fml
odd tree
so i'm wondering if anything has changed maybe due to banner/str -> parry gains
they nerfed necrotic quite a bit since s1. it applies every other auto attack now, it has a shorter duration, and i believe it now drops as soon as you leave combat. might have missed something, haven't tanked much this season
lofty widget
it's really really not that bad anymore, i've reset stacks naturally in a big pull without kiting a few times even
lusty grotto
yeah i see
lofty widget
and with necro we're so tanky that even at high stacks we dont really feel it
lusty grotto
im not worried about packs though since tyr week
lusty grotto
well that's good to know
odd tree
none of them auto fast enough
edgy grail
I remember in Bfa when it was a struggle to drop stacks on some bosses unless you were a BRM
Since it was every AA
cinder storm
When you trap an add in moroes, can you through bigwigs or a wa do something to announce when the traps about to fade?
dire tulip
Is m+ subcreation a good website to use for prot warriors?
lusty grotto
how is first sigil
depends on what you have, and what content you're doing
but in general not better than RDM/OWS
wild rampart
defense matrix?
lusty grotto
wild rampart
i have ows at 311 and eye of command
lusty grotto
and what content are you doing? because it seems like it wouldn't be great
wild rampart
mythic raiding at keys around 20 ish
its aight, traded it, wanted to know if its a decent upgrade until i get matrix or sth like that
dire tulip
I have two trinekts besides old warrior. Soleahs or enforcers stun grenade. I think soleahs is better, but more people use stun grenade for some reason
drifting fable
you could run that ows and anything you want at that lvl tbh
wild rampart
but if its not that clear, its prolly minor
drifting fable
first sigil and eye are both pretty offensive trinkets so if you feel like youre not at danger of dying at those keys, send it with those
dawn canyon
Sigil is a big ass damage boost
Great for stuff with damage amps imo
Like Lords
Or short kill times
dawn canyon
Or short kill times
Prolly applies less to pwar than dps war tho
wild rampart
cheers for the answers ā¤ļø
plush prism
Finally got Revered with Enlightened after returning to the game---which slot should I use Unity for? Seeing mixed feedback. In terms of stat allocation, Waist seems to be best for me at the moment
wild rampart
raidbots it as patchwerk?
did, 1.1% dmg increase
still turtle
When you trap an add in moroes, can you through bigwigs or a wa do something to ...
You use any nameplate addons? Usually the cd is on my addon. I use threatplates
drifting fable
cloak/wrist/neck/whatever your sim says
dawn canyon
Finally got Revered with Enlightened after returning to the game---which slot sh...
Can be many slots, but priority on the weak ones due to it's ilvl
plush prism
is waist technically as weak as Cloak/Neck/Wrists? I have great items in those three slots
dire tulip
I use unity to fill low slots, but as you get higher item level, it should be relegated to the weaker slots.
dawn canyon
is waist technically as weak as Cloak/Neck/Wrists? I have great items in those t...
Waist is good yea as it's the only non 311 slot
So in full gear you lose less stats
lusty grotto
yeah it depends, on equal ilvl though waist has more stats than other slots
plush prism
304 duplicating drape and 304 haste mechagon ring so yeah don't want to replace those lol
plush prism
LOL not the worst idea
drifting fable
makes more sense for dps since they actually have leggos to swap haha
dawn canyon
Yea
plush prism
I don't do Mythic raids so I won't be getting 311 ever really
plush prism
so that makes Wrist best if I don't want to replace cloak/ring right?
dawn canyon
Yep
lusty grotto
neck too
dawn canyon
Neck is a decent unity spot yea
lusty grotto
unity would have a gem slot too
dawn canyon
Wrists it is
lusty grotto
iirc
dawn canyon
drifting fable
id sim it if you care that much
dawn canyon
Socket on wrist for free too
plush prism
Socket on wrist for free too
so I crafted the wrist one but forgot that I hadn't opened my great vault. Of my three pieces, two are on the only slots I already have 304 for, and the third was the wrist
lusty grotto
unfortunate
strong forum
sounds like 2 sockets to me
lusty grotto
fr
pallid quiver
RDM damage sims are underperforming if I recall correctly, right?
urban portal
It could be
pallid quiver
this is my first time playing this expansion lol
And you can trade the tokens you get from not claiming any loot for an item that gives sockets
lusty grotto
kind of like visions
"kind of"
and by kind of i mean the buying sockets part because its not really the same lmao
grave wedge
is there a list of good trinkets for us?
grave wedge
so many list suggest codex
pallid quiver
i got a 304 enforcer's stun grenade in my vault, and i have no plans of doing raiding this season so my RDM's stuck at 278. I wager RDM's still better, but I don't know if its sims are busted.
probably just gonna nab the 304 cloak tho so
strong forum
not a single list suggests codex
lusty grotto
then read the codex part too
grave wedge
meaning other list not what ever your referecing i must have missed it in pins
pallid quiver
I've seen lists that suggest codex.
They're also written by people who have absolutely no connection to theory crafting or understanding the game.
strong forum
good trinkets are the ones from SoD
grave wedge
i noticed the thing about codex in this pin which made me second guess alot of newly read info lol
is modular polatnum plating any good
strong forum
old warrior soul, aegis, reactive defense matrix, salvaged fusion amp (for pure ST dps)
no, modular plating is one of the worst trinkets in the game
pallid quiver
There's a non-zero amount of bogus info outside of dedicated tanking circles
strong forum
from m+ the only "good" trinkets are soleahs and enforcers stun grenade
sack of terror is also semi decent
grave wedge
hahah oklay my chest choice is narrowed down to that one or some tokens
strong forum
eye of command from upper is good for bosses
lusty grotto
wdym to some tokens?
lusty grotto
chest choice?
grave wedge
yeah
lusty grotto
why though
grave wedge
tokens of merit
lusty grotto
oh the vault
grave wedge
yeah chest didnt have an upgrade only maybe was that trinket lol
grave wedge
gotcha yeah i see how "chest" can be confusing
lusty grotto
weird flex
wind oak
take shield for tmog
plush prism
311 crest imo
wind oak
strong forum
ayoo
lusty grotto
true, just throw it down the garbage
strong forum
big shield
plush prism
take the modular platinum plating and share the screenshot here and watch this place fuckin burn
lusty grotto
honestly he probably has it already
limpid pawn
lol
limpid pawn
lmao
plush prism
yeah dude the content is worth the price of the 311 shield
plush prism
it is but you get a shot at that 1 every 3 weeks right?
limpid pawn
im a fury/arms main and used diners for gavel/jaithys
so i have 311 gavel/311 jaithys, 298 shield so far
limpid pawn
ty, will use the plating to its maximum potential
plush prism
are the first few Nath Mythic bosses puggable?
plush prism
relatively easily? or should I be making sure to fill a group with elite players
lusty grotto
hmm, well tank positioning is kind of important
plush prism
I'll be fine myself
lusty grotto
but as long as people manage lamps well it is
lusty grotto
huntsman can be rough, but its been a while so who knows
odd tree
my best experience pugging mythic was joining a friends guild group when there war was out for a couple weeks. forming without a core of good players, that might be a shit show
urban portal
Huntsman is too powerful
The easiest to pug is sepulcher>sod>cn
If you want first 2
First 5 is probably sod>cn>sepulcher
pallid quiver
"+12 DRUID OR DK TANK"
you know i expect the second one, but i thought bears were, uh, suffering a bit atm
lusty grotto
dodging a bullet there lmao
pallid quiver
i'm looking for 15s or higher atm, anyhow
i just happened to see it at a glance and went
"why, what happened?"
lusty grotto
boggles the mind
pallid quiver
holy shit, dude, i saw them again and realized they've been waiting for 20 minutes
lusty grotto
xD
timber nest
is there an addon that automatically changes dungeon difficulty upon getting lead?
if your outside the instance ofc
lusty grotto
are you asking because youre having something reset difficulty or because of convenience?
if the 2nd one, i have no idea
if the 1st, i seem to remember an addon doing some bs like that a while ago but cant remember which it was
plush prism
"+12 DRUID OR DK TANK"
you know i expect the second one, but i thought bears we...
they're looking for a Brez š
timber nest
@lusty grotto looking for one where it basically just always makes sure its set to mythic difficulty
lusty grotto
not aware of any sorry
but on my side, it never swaps off from mythic
so unsure what's resetting your difficulty
sick sentinel
anybody know NAlower theatre event
onyx briar
Wikket
stable valve
thoughts?
304 helm replacing 298 w/ socket or 304 hands replacing 298
like hands are better not, but helm if socketed will probs win out
topaz verge
I am simming at the moment but is fusion hacker generally worth considering? The lack of secondary means less defensive capability so i wonder if that makes it a write off
cobalt seal
I am simming at the moment but is fusion hacker generally worth considering? The...
you think the secondaries of a weapon do anything for defense?
broken crater
healer stood in a fire kick phase 3, assuming after lust, deplete
thats not a deplete, the timer is so lenient you can just go again and still time it
old flame
thoughts my warrior frens?
cobalt seal
thoughts my warrior frens?
topaz verge
but defense
why would i completely write off the value of secondary stats?
stable valve
shield
old flame
I have 291 bracers and a 278 chest, 298 arrowbreaker currently
cobalt seal
why would i completely write off the value of secondary stats?
because defense comes from pressing buttons
broken crater
why would i completely write off the value of secondary stats?
the diff of whatever amount of stats that is wont make you live or die
200-500k more damage depending on proc strength and key length are more likely
old flame
I have never seen 3 shields in my vault b4
topaz verge
because defense comes from pressing buttons
and haste = more buttons
topaz verge
aight, i ask a question and get insulted. i'm out
broken crater
and haste = more buttons
not wrong but link me a log where a death was caused by 1% haste diff and couldnt have been prevented by better play instead
cobalt seal
you just didn't like the answer of secondaries of weapon dont matter
(for defense)
the answer is sim
waxen orbit
Yo gamers what's good I've been absent for the past like month and a half because college
I'm all washed up this season
Yall been keeping my seat warm and polished yeah?
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure we chucked it into the dumpster with the rest of the trash like a week ago
there's some good, solid floor you can sit on, though
join me in being a floor goblin
toxic pewter
Yogi you back playing prot? Hell yea
This season is more fun than all of shadowlands
broken crater
This season is more fun than all of shadowlands
hard no
tank balance is terrible, raiding is mandatory again, worse than before
cobalt seal
near pewter
If I dont have a 311 weapon I should get the rygelon sword one once I get my 20 cyphers? That would be the biggest upgrade right?
chrome falcon
depends on your shield
toxic pewter
Do people really prefer seasons 1-3 over 4? Is that the general consensus
sick sentinel
i dont mind season 4
near pewter
i have a 298 Arrowbreaker Greatsheild and a 304 Gazepeircer
toxic pewter
I like the dinars, change in dungeons been fun
near pewter
or do i get a 311 shield?
broken crater
Do people really prefer seasons 1-3 over 4? Is that the general consensus
no idea tbh. /r/competitivewow is mostly negative about the raid affixes and relatively neutral in regards to the dungeons
solid glen
I have never seen 3 shields in my vault b4
I've never had 1 shield in my vault before... nor 1 weapon...
grave wedge
is kyrian that much better this week with necrotic. this will be my first week tanking with necrotic
near pewter
okay and i want the one off Lords correct?
cobalt seal
is kyrian that much better this week with necrotic. this will be my first week t...
no
broken crater
I like the dinars, change in dungeons been fun
dinars are very well recieved, yea
chrome falcon
is kyrian that much better this week with necrotic. this will be my first week t...
kyrian is never better
broken crater
but the effort required is critizised, imo rightfully so
cobalt seal
dungeons in rotation suck
chrome falcon
necrotic is giga free affix
broken crater
why do i have to raid to get m+ loot-
sick sentinel
is kyrian that much better this week with necrotic. this will be my first week t...
u just heroic leap out
broken crater
why do literally all dungeon trinkets suck for tanks
why cant i get dinars from keys
toxic pewter
Lol, this has been great considering df on the horizon. This season doesnāt even matter and itās been fun
Itās been a change up
cobalt seal
only way I'm playing this season is because I play a dif game
because I would get mount
and stop
toxic pewter
Shadowlands dungeons will go down as some of the worst in wow history at least in my opinion, so getting away from those sooner has been a cherry on top
cobalt seal
lol
broken crater
im in the apparent minority that highly prefers SL dungeons over b4
broken crater
except for top and soa, top mostly due to high keys being troll without dk and soa due to RP
grave wedge
i think id rather have shadowlands than the current rotation
chrome falcon
legion dungeons owned
toxic pewter
Nah, highly jeered by most and no one looks forward to returning to them anytime soon
sick sentinel
because tanking on rpg is innately nerdy and tank gear is notoriously hard to balance and its still fun and not overpowered
cobalt seal
legion dungeons owned
broken crater
legion dungeons owned
someone didnt play high keys in legion and/or legion timewalking š
mellow bridge
Do people really prefer seasons 1-3 over 4? Is that the general consensus
Idk about general consensus
But to me season 1 was similarly bad
chrome falcon
someone didnt play high keys in legion and/or legion timewalking š
legion timewalking is not remotely the same as real legion
mellow bridge
And both s2 and s3 a lot better
chrome falcon
real legion classes had 10x more tools
toxic pewter
Legion dungeons some of the best ever
broken crater
legion timewalking is not remotely the same as real legion
agreed but exhibited the same issues
sick sentinel
i dont think its all bad
chrome falcon
legion dungeons broke when you went way higher than blizz every thought you could sure but they were generally good
cobalt seal
fuck legion dungeons in m+
toxic pewter
People are begging to forget shadowlands and all itās content. Thankfully blizzard is obliging us. š
broken crater
legion dungeons broke when you went way higher than blizz every thought you coul...
this is currently still the case
cobalt seal
stupid mechanics
broken crater
go into 20+ tyra NL in timewalking
well you cant anymore xd
but yea
that shit wrecks
like 1st boss deplete
chrome falcon
yeah
toxic pewter
Bfa dungeons owned
chrome falcon
but in legion the classes were actually capable of doing them
broken crater
but they werent
cobalt seal
and apb back to trolling
sick sentinel
im not really saying i want to have like brd chopped up into 4 dungeone for m+, but ut could easily be done i think
broken crater
you had to do cheesy shit like switching trinkets
toxic pewter
Better than shadowlands thatās for sure
broken crater
or rng hoping
chrome falcon
people do that shit now too
cobalt seal
in no world is BFA dungeons better than SL
broken crater
people do that shit now too
over 10 key levels higher
toxic pewter
In my opinion they were more fun than shadowlands
broken crater
i quit because of bfa dungeon design and azerite š
chrome falcon
that's not relevant though xepheris it's all relative
cobalt seal
your opinion is wrong
toxic pewter
Thatās just your opinion
cobalt seal
and mine is right
chrome falcon
a 25 in one expansion could be more like a 20 in another expansion
cobalt seal
yours wrong
chrome falcon
because it's all based on the base m0 numbers
sick sentinel
i think when i said shadowlands dungeons arethe eorst ever, i was probably being hyperbolic
toxic pewter
Nah, I bet if a poll was taken more would actually prefer bfa over sl dungneons
chrome falcon
because sl is more recent
toxic pewter
Sl sucked ass
cobalt seal
lol
toxic pewter
And sucks ass
broken crater
Nah, I bet if a poll was taken more would actually prefer bfa over sl dungneons
which is the same situation as with classic initially
chrome falcon
bfa had 2 or 3 dungeons that were tolerable
broken crater
yh
chrome falcon
the rest were either bad or awful
broken crater
that we can agree on
cobalt seal
SL has like 5-6 tolerable
toxic pewter
Lmao
broken crater
yh
sick sentinel
work shop is giga free
broken crater
work shop is giga free
is literally one of the hardest without a priest playing the dungeon for you
sick sentinel
onky scary thing 3rd boss and squirreks and magnet
broken crater
timer wise mostly
chrome falcon
workshop 3rd boss is probably the hardest in the season
toxic pewter
Shadowlands will be forgotten to history and will become as they already are- totally forgettable
chrome falcon
and fourth boss is very easy to wipe on
cobalt seal
Shadowlands will be forgotten to history and will become as they already are- to...
pls stop being apb and stop trolling
broken crater
SL in general was p bad yea
toxic pewter
Iām not trolling. They are forgettable and some of my least favorite
broken crater
I dreaded zoning into sanctum again
toxic pewter
And Iāve played them all
cobalt seal
oh wow
chrome falcon
idk i have good memories of legion m+ but that could also be because it was before the era when dungeons would be heavily figured out before they even launched
broken crater
but I'm already missing halls š¢
toxic pewter
All the dungeons- Iāve played them all
chrome falcon
discovering strats and stuff and how to deal with the stupid bullshit mechanics
was fun
sick sentinel
mostly flower and fire stick that wiprs you, tyranical his decombombulator will hurt 1 shot dps
chrome falcon
also swapping gear in dungeons
made them 1000x better
maybe the dungeons themselves weren't good but they were much more fun to play because classes were better and legendary swapping owned
cobalt seal
that literally has nothing to do with dungeon design
broken crater
maybe the dungeons themselves weren't good but they were much more fun to play b...
high fort dht start
get the random person jumped by cats
toxic pewter
Shadowlands dungeons arent as much bad as they are forgettable. Thatās the best word to describe them and I challenge anyone to even begin to remind me of them and we are only in month two of season 4. We all have gladly already forgotten LOL
broken crater
say goodbye to 1-3 non tanks
chrome falcon
sure if you want to be pedantic i'll change my statement
broken crater
Shadowlands dungeons arent as much bad as they are forgettable. Thatās the best ...
smh
cobalt seal
Shadowlands dungeons arent as much bad as they are forgettable. Thatās the best ...
stop repeating yourself
broken crater
Shadowlands dungeons arent as much bad as they are forgettable. Thatās the best ...
plaguefall
does this scare you
chrome falcon
from "legion dungeons were better than SL dungeons" to "legion m+ was more fun than SL m+"
toxic pewter
plaguefall
does this scare you
shivers lmao
cobalt seal
from "legion dungeons were better than SL dungeons" to "legion m+ was more fun t...
I accept that
I would love gear swap
toxic pewter
Blizzard doesnāt even want new players to come in contact with shadowlands. Itās good play and I applaud them
broken crater
wdym, they are literally forcing people into SL once you hit 50
toxic pewter
Nah chromie time works until 60
sick sentinel
i dont think it helps that we got covid mania in 2020 and sl drops and is plaguefall out a sea of slime and everythings a spider or slime or mushroom....
broken crater
it doesnt
mellow bridge
It does xeph
chrome falcon
back to rep for hard pulls
toxic pewter
It will there was just a post about it Iāll link it
broken crater
since when? there are tons of complaints on reddit about getting tpd out once you hit 50
because they force you to play sl
cobalt seal
chromie is also bug
mellow bridge
They're changing it for DF
sick sentinel
i just, really did not enjoy pf tge most of all, and its got creepy ass music
mellow bridge
Once df hits
cobalt seal
ĀÆ_(ć)_/ĀÆ
mellow bridge
Chromie is 1-60
broken crater
but thats not the case yet is it?
broken crater
yea so thats not related to "blizz sending sl into darkness"
broken crater
thats just sl being put in line with the rest
cobalt seal
new players are likely to be sent to SL
broken crater
no special treatment
toxic pewter
Yah but the default new player experience wil be bfa into df
cobalt seal
that makes no fucking sense
toxic pewter
Itās just a fact and a good one
chrome falcon
well
toxic pewter
They are making right choice here
toxic pewter
Bfa is more welcoming and seems better
chrome falcon
thing is
toxic pewter
For a new player
chrome falcon
if you force players into SL
they get a cov ability
for 10 levels
then it gets yeeted
super jarring and weird
toxic pewter
Sl also is an āout thereā story line bfa is more grounded to Azeroth and better for new player
broken crater
Yah but the default new player experience wil be bfa into df
really? lmao
chrome falcon
but BFA has story relevance
is blizz's reason for it
they think that BFA is core wow experience
ally vs horde
š¤·āāļø
toxic pewter
really? lmao
Yeah itās true I swear Iām not trolling
sick sentinel
the other major problem of sl was no story no content, they made this incredible looking the maw, and its basically purgatiry except for that it actually ix because theres no real problem going on there
broken crater
i do recall ion saying in an interview
that it would be weird to start the game and being sent to literal hell first thing
cobalt seal
the other major problem of sl was no story no content, they made this incredible...
no what?
broken crater
so i kinda get that
sick sentinel
so then purgatory really does feel like purgatory cuz nobodies going there
toxic pewter
Yah bfa actually is more grounded for a new player, it is more welcoming than a strange cold land that is oribos and the shadowlands. Itās jarring for a new player to be in orgrimmar/stormwind then some random circle city of whatever
sick sentinel
you have to do a quest to get it im pretty sure
but its like,the very first quest line of BFA, you get it within 10 minutes
urban portal
really
i never got it
but either way though, its a neck
which is just an other piece of gear
like weapons
but cov abilities are a whole new button you press
learn the rotation of
just to toss it
sick sentinel
i had that thing maxed out pretty well
sucks that the summon rock to buff teammate didn't pan out for anybody
cobalt grove
I mean, most of the covenant abilities are being baked in, right?
Personally I like doing legion chromie time, because weapon. For any class it's going to be your biggest upgrade, and one of the hardest to get better of
urban portal
But imagine running shadowlands line
You get 4 cool abilities
And find out 2-3 of them just goes poof
smoky sparrow
low kindle
Can you tag the miniboss on sire d with H throw to get gripped?
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
mortal brook
Can you tag the miniboss on sire d with H throw to get gripped?
Yes
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Good morning Ghash. Doing good?
warm plinth
Yes sir. I applied for a new position today at work. Will finally be back on day shift if I get it
warm plinth
I don't mind it but it doesn't give me much time to play with friendos
warm plinth
Lol
vestal moat
Is the RDM proc affected by necrotic?
low kindle
Yes
yea my dumb ass was trying to tag while jumping down
and failed 1 time
then wiped the raid xD
shell hound
guys help me is it worth to take or stay with the mechagon one ?
ionic fern
You're safe from carrying me Jakey btw.
I remembered again that i need to do ZM quest line for 2nd legendary and i cba.
deft ridge
stupid question, sharpening stone or shadowcore oil?
median tulip
cinder jackal
I was thinking of replacing my grenade with Codex?
If for no other reason than not to have 2x active trinkets
Just not sure if that's going to move my EH up or down overall
jagged pier
no
cinder jackal
Booo, so keep the grenade, and I assume Aegis is better than codex due to when I can use it?
jagged pier
no codex is the worst trinket in the game for us
worse than armour kit
aegis is best if your pushing like 26+
but other wise its RDM and OWS
cinder jackal
Yeah, just haven't been able to get either so far
jagged pier
just dinar
cinder jackal
Used my 1 dinar when on Jaithy's for fury š¦
jagged pier
no it doesnt
cinder jackal
Will try pugging this week again for more dinar.
RE key level, only just getting 20s done atm
jagged pier
u get fated kills in lfr
cinder jackal
Wouldn't it be less painful to try and solo it then get through it with LFR :-p
Or is it not that bad these days?
strong forum
Haven't had any issues with Lfr so far
Every boss is just a target dummy, you can carry hard as tank for the few mechanics that exist
earnest lark
I just started playing prot war coming from paladin and I feel like I don't always have a button to press, might I be doing something wrong? It just feels slow
strong forum
You're defo playing wrong then, pwar is faster than any other tank
earnest lark
I usually start with charge in to demo shout, use shield slam and thunderclap on cd and devastate to fill the space with lots of ignor pain and shield wall
strong forum
Devastate?
Sir you might wanna check out a guide first to properly set up your talents, covenant and legendary
Cuz you're not supposed to use devastate but devastator, and from what it sounds like you're not using revenge at all
strong forum
Once you got some practice and a bit of experience with pwar your casts per minute (cpm) should look smth like this
Just to give you an idea
mortal brook
Just to give you an idea
cinder jackal
Just to give you an idea
Is that from an M+ run or a specific fight?
jagged pier
thats m+
mortal brook
That would be a very long fight
jagged pier
^^
mortal brook
That includes or doesnt include tier IP?
strong forum
H-hayai
earnest lark
So should I use revenge on proc or whenever I can? Of not I don't have my set pieces yet
Of note*
ionic fern
Whenever you have spare rage to use on damage.
earnest lark
C thanks!
pale roost
since the buffs to ignore pain. are warrior better in keys now. ? i asked a warrior in a group i just did how warriors are. and he said they are still pretty bad.
mighty valley
Weāve been good a long time if you play right, the public is wrong
pale roost
ah ok š
in terms of damage intake. how are warriors compared to say a paladin? reason am asking these questions is am trying to find a tank to play. but i dont wanna be to squishy. and all i heard about prot warriors is that they take alot of damage.
blazing condor
a pwarr thats played well take like no damage
we're not great with magic damage intake
we're the best on physical mitigation
dense hound
Hey guys what should i Upgrade first with my mythic token: hc matrix or Lords shield (298 equipped atm)
I think shield would be better on 311 but dunno how good those extra ilvl are on 304 matrix
I guess i should not bother with upgrading my hc soul to mythic right š
jagged pier
shield
jagged pier
in terms of damage intake. how are warriors compared to say a paladin? reason am...
warrior takes the least amount of damage as of any tank
or should
because we dont self heal we just mitigate
pale roost
ah ok š
celest tree
Hi,
is it worth to switch to bastion on necrotic week ? (keys 20-23)
frigid gulch
I canāt imagine it would be
blazing condor
not needed
but obviously could feel better if you struggle with necro
youre losing a lot of value from no banner tho
cobalt seal
but obviously could feel better if you struggle with necro
just leap away
wait like 2s max
charge
blazing condor
whatever works for people
tropic gorge
Play a dwarf. Get 50 stacks, drop em
celest tree
ok ty guys
jolly granite
Dinar 2 and 3 are available for me, I already have ows. Iāll do the easy mythic bosses and keys in the 20-22 range. Would it be wise to buy the shield and matrix and wait for a shard to drop? When would you pick shard and when matrix?
jagged pier
u dont need shard until like 26s pretty much
useful only at lower levels in upper really
jolly granite
Okay, that helps. Thanks!
real totem
Quick question, how much haste is to much haste? i mean i checked guides and it says to pick haste boon in m+, and i have 37% atm without any buffs, and with fully stacked OWS and m+ boon its gonna be alot more, so just curious
topaz field
is there a way to compare (approx) dps from logs to details?
jagged pier
Quick question, how much haste is to much haste? i mean i checked guides and it ...
40% unbuffed is the amount u want
there is no such thing as too much haste
we actually want 166% haste
which isnt possible
strong forum
is there a way to compare (approx) dps from logs to details?
Hover over the "active" section of the dps window in logs
That should roughly be in line with what details shows
topaz field
merci
real totem
40% unbuffed is the amount u want
oh sh*t alright, thx for info, is it the same for kyrian as for necrolords? just go ham on haste i mean
jagged pier
yes
tropic gorge
With into the fray atm my haste is like 36 percent, feels good. My dungeon spec without, my haste is 26. Feels bad
Way bad
coral marsh
how is the attumen trinket (the one with versatility)
coral marsh
inescapable dread
drifting fable
yea bad
sick sentinel
i died to shared suffering in that 14 lower
coral marsh
why is inescapable bad, it gives a bunch of versatility
sick sentinel
i asked them what we needed to do and they said stack on that player
mellow bridge
what makes you think that something is good just because it gives versa?
sick sentinel
i dunno forsurebut i think its a purple grey cloudy circle and im notsupposed to move out till ppl soak
fallow narwhal
coral marsh
it gives 141 versa on 304
sick sentinel
versa reduces dmg taken and tank job is to reduce dmg on them is 3/4 head take
lofty widget
But the effect from the trinket sucks and no mainstat
mellow bridge
it gives 141 versa on 304
that doesnt matter
Vers isnt even our best stat
and no secondary is better than mainstat which you lose running that trinket
sick sentinel
its literal called main stat primary
because +100 str in all cases better than +100 crit or haste
uneven mason
because +100 str in all cases better than +100 crit or haste
You mean this isn't legion where it was ok to dump 40ilvl to maintain set bonus and secondary
topaz field
Who are u and what have u done to the yogi i know? lately u only provide ingenious thoughts/help
summer hamlet
I'm a beginner with prot spec. I tried to do a +2 (230 ilvl) but got absolutly shredded by the first group. What's the common way to engage a pack ? I'm trying to always have ignore pain up but even with it, it seems that I take a high amount of damage.
drifting fable
your primary mitigation is shield block not ignore pain
tropic charm
best race as tank (horde) for m+ any recommendations? š
drifting fable
I'm a beginner with prot spec. I tried to do a +2 (230 ilvl) but got absolutly s...
charge, shield slam, shield block, offensive CDs, (avatar, necrolord banner, Last Stand w/ Unnerving Focus conduit), use Revenge to dump the rage and Ignore Pain as a rage spender
thats a general overview obviously there are details but thats a good statt
jagged pier
best race as tank (horde) for m+ any recommendations? š
vulpera
drifting fable
i recommend starting out playing necrolord to just learn it outright, check the pins for vids and other tips
but generally yes if you feel like you are getting shredded you probably didnt have SB up
summer hamlet
I don't really use SB. I'll try. Do I need to use it every time it's up ?
drifting fable
anytime you are being meleed
summer hamlet
but under what circumstances do I need to use Ignore pain ?
drifting fable
so effectively in some cases
you need to be good at using Sb to play prot
its our main mitigation
tropic charm
vulpera
would u recommend that vulpera is the best for raiding aswell or is there a big difference between the races?
drifting fable
But remember reprisal is our main legendary if you dont have that yet
and that helps keep sb ip
up*
drifting fable
but under what circumstances do I need to use Ignore pain ?
IP is actually kind of a trap, its best usage for us is the fact that its off GCD and it spends 35 rage. the absorb is a nice fringe benefit but its not like a major thing to focus on until like super high keys
dawn canyon
The best race is the one you feel coolest on
While vulpera is very strong it's not make or break
tropic gorge
best race as tank (horde) for m+ any recommendations? š
Dwarf. š
dawn canyon
Feeling cool is a proven dps increase
drifting fable
So in practice we use IP to help fuel our tier set and Anger Management, by making it a āthrottleā rage button for when we are about to over xap
cap*
drifting fable
and otherwise rage generally goes into SB and revenge
summer hamlet
IP is actually kind of a trap, its best usage for us is the fact that its off GC...
Is reprisal mandatory ? I use the wall atm.
tropic charm
Plus. Being sexy
since when was 6 feet under considered to be sexy ? xD
drifting fable
at low keys you can play whatever
tropic gorge
Not mandatory but rep is usually a superior option
tropic gorge
since when was 6 feet under considered to be sexy ? xD
Lol
drifting fable
but yeah check the banner video pin. it goes into more details about the rotation and when to use IP
tropic gorge
Keys like 14 and below do whatever you want. At 15 to 19 ya gotta get more serious
My opinions
drifting fable
because thats really the core of the class. proper rage management
jagged pier
would u recommend that vulpera is the best for raiding aswell or is there a big ...
theres no difference in raid, but nose for trouble is busted in m+
summer hamlet
tahnks for your answer, I'll check more video and train again
tropic charm
theres no difference in raid, but nose for trouble is busted in m+
allrighty. thanks jakey! ā¤ļø
drifting fable
no prob. good luck
tropic gorge
It's dwarf week in m+ and I love it
sick sentinel
It's dwarf week in m+ and I love it
not really,you just use heroic leap well
tropic gorge
Pfff
sick sentinel
and fuckin like, intervene, group slows etc
tropic gorge
Keep pulling. Use stoneform
sick sentinel
"oh no, i had to move away from the things killing me for 5 seconds so they are no longer killing me"
tropic gorge
Lol
mellow bridge
yeah until you meet the 5 million mobs this season that cant be slowed/ccd or will fuck up your group if you kite :)
I'm sure my group will enjoy me kiting cc-immune overseers in Grimrail whose every white hit is a frontal that oneshots anyone else in your group
tropic gorge
I. Hate. Grimrail
I'll run it once per week for rating and that's it. I'd skip it all together if I could
The mobs are annoying and the super tight camera is ugh. Super frustrating
sick sentinel
i don't find frim rail that bad
urban bane
If people DR immune or desync flametongue / shrapnel casts it can be a bad time. Otherwise it is not the absolute worst.
Far from my personal favorite tho
mellow bridge
shrapnel is irrelevant
you should sidestep every single one of those
it's flametongue and w/e the one from the boomers is called
strong forum
Blackrock grenade
mellow bridge
nah that's an instant
they do a sort of frontal as well
cannon barrage
that's it
sick sentinel
its very easy to blame range dps/healer for "stood in fire lol, didn't move" until you have a cast bar of your own
tropic gorge
Smash face into keyboard and win
Hold w? I taped mine down. I call my runs the pain train now
sick sentinel
smash face into KB yes, win, enhghhh
topaz field
i mean grim rail is an easy dungeon because the weapons carry u so hard on time
sand egret
A slight nuance with shrapnel is the stacking debuff, and it's getting that to drop off will reduce a ton of damage. It stacks rapidly up to 5, so depending on the cadence if you take some ticks it can add up fast.
topaz field
but its not a fun key
every single affix so far felt annoying
since im claustrophobic as well
tropic gorge
Macro /train into shield slam and watch the victory roll in
topaz field
im looking forward to see ppl getting smacked by spiteful this week š
tropic gorge
The whole part about dungeons and raids where you can't see the floor is exponentially worse for me in grim
Reminder to tell dps to ignore ghosts and run from them
A group I was with last night kept killing them after mobs were dead
topaz field
intervene for the highest bidder this week
lofty widget
sim it, but probably worse than equal ilvl weapon
drifting fable
fine in ST but worse than other 304s in aoe. id take the 304 armors if theyre upgrade
drifting fable
hmmmmmm
dawn canyon
Then that's massive
lofty widget
fat upgrade then
dull zodiac
but the question is
i got 298 chest and legs
in fury
and ive never played prot this patch
drifting fable
well do you see yourself playing prot alot
dull zodiac
so idk
drifting fable
well
dull zodiac
i used to ply it alot tho
drifting fable
id take the chest tbh
dull zodiac
i just dont know if its worth getting into for the remainder
of this patch
i think the answer is no
as ive got a 300 ilvl bear
if i need tanking
drifting fable
dull zodiac
thanks for brainstorming a bit with me ;p
will take chet
chest
it even has leech
drifting fable
sick sentinel
i dunno if it keeps leecha nd sockets during catalyst, can't remembernow
dawn canyon
Does
urban portal
It keeps sockets but you have to buy a new gem
mortal brook
in this economy?
tropic charm
1h weapon from Junkyard (Fusion Hacker) good / bad?
modern brook
Sim it tbh
naive panther
@tropic gorge As fury I still pump into ghosts if the tank is slow pulling. I have raged to gain and time off reckless to gain.
tropic gorge
That's a good use for them
Last night I did quite a bit of waiting for dps to pad on ghosts
I got annoyed lol
naive panther
Ya that would be annoying if they don't keep up.
sick sentinel
awww shit 15 grim rail in my bags
uneven mason
awww shit 15 grim rail in my bags
sick sentinel
is venthyr even viable as like a meme single target build or does codemn just do shit for damage
lofty widget
condemn does less dmg than execute iirc
sick sentinel
yikes
my tool tip for both just by talking to the venthyr guy in oribos
ahh, and it does shadow damage, so, it would pass through armor, so thats good i guess?
strong forum
It's about equal
Execute has been buffed in s3 whereas condemn didn't, so the only upside of condemn is the absorb and the 100-80 usage
Sure
urban portal
is venthyr even viable as like a meme single target build or does codemn just do...
Venthyr is worse than necrolord at executing
urban portal
Execute has been buffed in s3 whereas condemn didn't, so the only upside of cond...
You are thinking of end of s1 when execute got buffed and condemn didnāt, the s3 buff did both
sick sentinel
Venthyr is worse than necrolord at executing
for prot, i can't see how it'd be worse for dps specs
strong forum
Well fury can prolly keep up Banner during execute
Before the glory nerf for fury necrolord would've been the go-to cov aswell
urban portal
for prot, i can't see how it'd be worse for dps specs
Itās worse for arms too
Because ashen juggernaut
Ashen juggernaut closes any gap that venthyr may have
sick sentinel
what about AJ for arms condemn?
urban portal
Itās all nerfed for venthyr
Is the big issue
So during the āreal executeā you are worse
strong forum
Aj is only 4 or 5 % for condemn
urban portal
Itās like 60% of the value yeah
urban portal
But yeah you get the point
The fact that your execute is almost 20% weaker doesnāt look good
The only saving grace for venthyr was their Lego synergy but itās weak for prot and arms
blazing condor
Wait whos this yogi impostor
sick sentinel
it is yogi
drifting fable
yogis next arc
spiral warren
Venthyr arms
blazing condor
spiral warren
wanton tide
toxic pewter
grats
tropic gorge
Grats man
blazing condor
id pick aegis cus its neat but if youre not doing high keys rdm is probably the play
undone verge
less than 9k seems fine
2nd on dps too 
sick sentinel
2nd on dps too <:critcake:984549832511344640>
3rd, but close enough