protection

[ionic fern]

I can't do 0.
I still want to complain.

And to complain i need to do at least one key.

[minor helm]

I have raid vaults to complain about

[ionic fern]

Ah, see, i don't raid.

[minor helm]

And nothing from keys is any real upgrade

Just 298-304 but I cba

[sick sentinel]

this 3rd vault from me is a 3rd vault option of defiance though lol

[cobalt seal]

do a 10?

now it's a better defiance

[sick sentinel]

already did enough this week i think

did a 17 and the biggest key i ever did before that was some miracle 18

[ionic fern]

Still a way to go.

[minor helm]

[peak forge]

How do you guys tank the mobs in the train area of grimrail?

I feel like they nuke me

[sour junco]

Avoid the fire is the biggest thing

Fire = ripperoni

Frontals can be sidestepped, floor fire can be walked out of

[sick sentinel]

been like this since the dawn of gaming literal in pac man days some ppl still dont get it somehow

[peak forge]

I feel like I have no room in that area and people bait sleep clouds in the middle 😦

[sick sentinel]

fire ... bad? no fire warm, cozy.... i like the fire, gunna go take a nice nap here

[sour junco]

Ye but too be fair

The fire in grimrail is extra chonk

[sick sentinel]

it gives you +4 spirit as well

[mighty valley]

Aim camera so you can actually see the frontals to sidestep them, stun Flametongue

[topaz field]

its a very thin cone like the horses in lower

very easy to sidestep

[raven hatch]

what is a good addon to auto accept lfg invites?

and what does everyone do with shared suffering? Is the answer really to leap it and intervene away? Having the guy chase ya down while also running at your dps seems bad

[sick sentinel]

auto accept LFR your group is ready prompts? i thought those could have been tos cuz its automation

[raven hatch]

its just a pain to sign up to groups in LFG and then not be able to do anything else while I wait for people to ponder whether or not I look enough like a blood dk

[sick sentinel]

if you have DBM or big wigs it shows a timer

its 40 seconds from noise, and the wow icon in task bar goes flashing yellow, almost have to be trying to miss it

[fiery vapor]

Is there a good macro for IP ? Like in Shield slam or sth? xD

[dawn canyon]

/cast ignore pain

That's literally all you want

Ip in your SS is giga troll

You could make ur IP bind also SS

Thats ok

[strong forum]

I myself have embraced the super macro

/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

To "replace" your IP button

You still have a seperate SS button ofc, but with that macro when you wanna dump rage with IP, you automatically snipe SS resets

[dawn canyon]

Nome do u think elvui deniers should just download more RAM

[strong forum]

Eyo you spying on me

[dawn canyon]

JB posts good content

So i follow jb

[strong forum]

Kek

[dawn canyon]

JB and fleks is all you need for wow Twitter

[strong forum]

Pmuch

Lazel too if you want some edge in your life

[urban bane]

On topic of elvui I did the same thing, leaving plater in, and noticed no difference. Removed plater tho and noticeable performance increase with big pulls. I must've had a pretty bloated plater profile, ig

[gleaming pawn]

is it usual to have "downtime" in rage spending? like i could hit revenge i suppose but is it common for ignore pain to not just be taken and eaten up relatively fast in a pack?

[strong forum]

Uuuh no not rly

[gleaming pawn]

maybe im not tracking it right

[jagged pier]

u arent generating enough for sure

[gleaming pawn]

any ignore pain weakaura ud suggest?

[strong forum]

Usually with playing necrolord you should always be quite rsge filled

[gleaming pawn]

ah, im kyrian currently, just picked up prot as off spec

[strong forum]

Ya that changes alot

Necrolord is alot more rage gen

[gleaming pawn]

well my rage seems fine atm like i have extra

[strong forum]

Kyrian is just 60 rage every 45sec

[gleaming pawn]

im wondernig if my ignore pain should be eaten up fast when tanking a pack or what not

[strong forum]

Whereas banner is 240 rage every minute

[sick sentinel]

that macro sounds dumb enough to try

[strong forum]

Well depends on keylevel

[sick sentinel]

see what happens i guess

[gleaming pawn]

yeah it was just a 7

and im 287

so i guess kinda a weak key

[urban portal]

then nah

should be eaten real slow

[gleaming pawn]

so ignore pain, reduces dmg and applies a shield, does the dmg the shield take also get reduced?

[strong forum]

Other way around

Or well

Absorbs always come last

[urban portal]

ignore pain is effectively a shield that takes twice as long to eat through

[strong forum]

So, any dmg you reduce by blocking and SW/demo shout/SR comes first

Then flat absorbs like IP come after that

[gleaming pawn]

so for easy sake, if i get hit for 100 but i reduce it by lets say, 30% so it comes thru as 70

the 70 is what is absorbed?

[strong forum]

35

[gleaming pawn]

right my math sucks

[strong forum]

IP absorbs 50% of the dmg coming through, as long as the IP shield can make up 50% of the dmg itself

[gleaming pawn]

if it cant make up the 50% will it use the shield to eat as much as it can then have the rest come thru as reduced dmg or will the remainder of the dmg go back to being full dmg?

[strong forum]

If you take 200k dmg, and have 50k IP banked, you take 150k dmg cuz it exceeds the IP absorb despite the 50% absorb

[urban portal]

its 55% now but the idea is the same

[strong forum]

Ah right... 55

[urban portal]

huge buff

[gleaming pawn]

gotcha ok

[strong forum]

Forgot about that

[gleaming pawn]

is it worth finding an IP weak aura?

[strong forum]

Not rly

[topaz field]

yes and no

[gleaming pawn]

or if im in a pack shoudl i just kinda re apply it?

[topaz field]

its not something that will be saving your life

[strong forum]

If you play ideal, you'll mostly use IP only to prevent overcapping on rage

[gleaming pawn]

like for rage spending : shield block > ignore pain > excess on revenge?

[strong forum]

SB > revenge > IP

[urban portal]

excess on ip

[gleaming pawn]

ok

[strong forum]

BUT

As kyrian you don't get as much rage

So you won't find yourself using alot of IP

So you just gotta practice

[gleaming pawn]

thanks, next question. Just how strong is shield block exactly. im not sure i understand it these days (havent really done any tanking focus since like cata)

[urban portal]

big strong

[topaz field]

whenever u facetank

[strong forum]

SB is exceedingly strong vs blockable dmg

[topaz field]

u want to block

[sick sentinel]

critically strong even

[strong forum]

IP is pretty weak if you can't spam it

[topaz field]

prot warrior is machine against physical/blockable dmg

[strong forum]

That being said

When you're playing necrolord you will use alot of IPs just for the sake of not overcapping rage

[gleaming pawn]

ok

[strong forum]

So it'll make up quite a significant chunk of your tankiness

But blocking is your highest prio

Outside of medivh but you'll use SB there for dmg anyway

[gleaming pawn]

so if i have IP up, block up, and a revenge is free thats pretty m uch the only time i revenge?

[strong forum]

No

Revenge is your main dmg button

Press it

Alot

[gleaming pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-13134027

i thought shield slam was

[topaz field]

yes u spam a lot of buttons as prot

SS is generator

revenge spender

[urban portal]

shield slam isnt always up

[strong forum]

This is casts per minute breakdown

From a gambit

That's the dmg breakdown

Ofc SS is a huge button for you

But whenever you can't press SS, you aim to press revenge, and a bit of TCs

[urban portal]

dang im surprised that revenge<ss on cambit

[strong forum]

Well it ain't

[urban portal]

keyboard bad

[strong forum]

For me revenge is rarely ever beating SS outside of lower

[topaz field]

isnt that because u are 5 tanks?

will make bosses way longer

[gleaming pawn]

so SS > revenge > TC?

i thought TC came 2nd

[strong forum]

No

Revenge should be first and 2nd

[strong forum]

Not rly

[gleaming pawn]

should i not run crackling thunder?

[strong forum]

Dmg breakdown won't change

[gleaming pawn]

should i use serve cold then?

[strong forum]

No

BV is more important for banner uptime assuming you play necro

For kyrian BSC is better I guess

[gleaming pawn]

oh lol i had 2 talent tiers mixed up

i do run booming voice

ok i see

so if i dont NEED rage

hit revenge

if i do need rage hit shield slam?

[strong forum]

You want to press shield slam as often as you can

[gleaming pawn]

ok

[strong forum]

It's your top priority button

[gleaming pawn]

what are the chances i can macro like

IP into SS

or something

good idea? bad idea?

[urban portal]

bad

[strong forum]

Other way around is acceptable

SS into your IP

[topaz field]

i would only do that on an extra button if u desire so

[urban portal]

only macro i use

[gleaming pawn]

hm ok

so TC moves to a relatively low prio then huh?

[strong forum]

Relatively

[topaz field]

yes and no

[strong forum]

But still wanna press it

[gleaming pawn]

focus more on SS and revenge, keeping block up when needed and IP to not rage cap/keep absorb on?

[topaz field]

whenever u are in a hole of rage gen u press tc

[strong forum]

Cuz it does dmg and generates rage

[topaz field]

and have nothing to press

[strong forum]

Pmuch

But you don't wanna "keep absorb on"

That's very situational

[gleaming pawn]

ok

if im not threatened i can let absorb fall for more revenges?

[strong forum]

You'll naturally press alot of IP just by playing well

[gleaming pawn]

gotcha

[topaz field]

yes u can

your tierset also provides you with ip

[gleaming pawn]

and i take it any mastery user in my keys will enjoy me making the necro swap?

[strong forum]

Just don't prior revenge over Ss

Well it's just 15sec of mastery

Every now and again

It's not a huge deal

[gleaming pawn]

ah

[strong forum]

You play banner for yourself

[gleaming pawn]

oh selfish, i like it

[strong forum]

Cuz it's 22% str, 400 mastery and 4rage/sec with pretty much 100% uptime if played well

That's alot of toys for 1 button

[gleaming pawn]

yeah ima watch the pinned youtube video soon

[sick sentinel]

more like die by the sword, but you vs enemy while SB is up, in meme format

[still thistle]

Hey guys.

What are my legendary missives for Reprisal?

I can't find it anywhere. >:l

[topaz field]

vers haste is mostly the play

[cobalt seal]

did you check wowhead guide?

[still thistle]

I looked at four websites, tbh.

I think I just forgot wowhead existed for a good twenty minutes.

[cobalt seal]

are all those 4 websites with .io?

[sick sentinel]

i too am normally trying to look outside sites wowhead and such, before i come here some times with problems

[still thistle]

I think one of those were, ye. LUL.

[topaz field]

i dont think wowhead mentions missives does it?

[cobalt seal]

pretty sure it does

[sick sentinel]

like, i had tried to look on MDT and wowhead unsatisfactorily regarding shade of medivh abilities, last night in case clarification andies

[still thistle]

Nah, I just forgot wowhead existed for a good twenty or so minutes.

It happens when I have goldfish memory.

[topaz field]

ye well it does mention your desired stats in general

[cobalt seal]

hum

[cobalt seal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt seal]

you either check wowhead or icyveins

everything else is unfiltered data

and not worth checking

[still thistle]

Oh yeah no.

I'm not denying that.

It just didn't come to memory. It happens every so often.

[topaz field]

oh true im a lazy person couldnt read more than the first 5 sentences

thats a consequence of not having read a book for ages

[cobalt seal]

[topaz field]

i mean tbf u open the page

and then u see

use reprisal

but the secondaries are mentioned half way through the page

[cobalt seal]

you can just scroll down half reading

til you get where you want

[topaz field]

why not mention in first place tho 🙂

[cobalt seal]

hum, because then you would have to repeat info again?

for all the legos?

[topaz field]

i think the author is trying to activate your thought process

now that i think of it

actually gigachad

so that no one would ever come here and ask if codex is a good trinket

after you read the entire guide

[sick sentinel]

i only have 1 304 reward tomorrow but if its a codex imma probably take it

[echo egret]

Is there any single solution to the nameplate horror that is Karazhan (much like Tol Dagor or Waycrest manor back then) ?

[spiral warren]

Only 1?? Do some more 15s 💪

[sick sentinel]

nah, curator crushed my hopes and dreams

[spiral warren]

What you mean

Can’t let him keep you down

[topaz field]

he broke his ankles

whiteflag

[sick sentinel]

average wipes on curator =2, mana boogaloo

[topaz field]

but tbf u werent able to walk in a straight line iirc

(before the boss)

[pine lotus]

does prot warr or brewmaster have a "smoother" dmg intake

[sick sentinel]

tauren is larger hitbox tbf

maybe its some pixel perfect shit

[uneven mason]

Didn't they fix this

[lofty widget]

all player hitboxes are normalized (same sizes)

[uneven mason]

The actual comparison between these tanks is a question about how many braincells are required to smooth the damage intake

[spiral warren]

For the walk past those anima guys in upper? You can just leap down the middle

[dire tulip]

I would argue warrior does. Monk does everything though. Warrior does warrior things better. Monk has higher potential but I would rather take warrior. It is why I switched from monk.

[spiral warren]

I’m a tauren too 🐮

[sour junco]

Can u spell reflect leeching claw from malganis

in lords of dread

Or does that goof it up

[balmy canyon]

I'm 99% sure that isn't reflectable so you just get the 20% (or whatever it is) damage reduction

[mellow bridge]

you can just check the reflect sheet for that

check pins

[icy flax]

Y'all rate the fit

[sick sentinel]

trying to hard out of 10

[icy flax]

trying to hard to be the sexiest yea

[dawn canyon]

Banger

[wind oak]

not enough low res texture in there 7/10

[dawn canyon]

Needs a better shield

[sick sentinel]

sheild color matches too well

and shoulder matches legs

[dawn canyon]

No?

[sick sentinel]

i could do a way wose one if i tried

[dawn canyon]

Do it

The Bastion of twilight dk once is goofy

[shadow haven]

what route do you guys like in junkyard this week?

[sick sentinel]

i'd use the amazon prime one if i ever bought amazon primte

[topaz field]

head over to gunker play standard pull (u have 3 zap bots by then) then go to trixie into gobo

i am eu btw

in case you are na dunno

[strong forum]

4*
And 5 if you have 1 person who can vanish/feign/invis/shadomeld

That's why it's always the first pull

You can get 4-5 zap bots insta

[cosmic basin]

Hey guys, recently started learning tanking. Have a questions regarding routes. Is there a database, site or anywhere in particular where i can look up optimal/good routes? Dont have yet the experience as a tank to create ones without a dps yelling at me for doing non-meta pulls

[strong forum]

2 on the hill, 1 at the coil bearers, 1 in the pipe at gunker, 1 in the cave below

[sage granite]

Download Method dungeon tools. Go on raider.io and get dratnos routes and use those

[balmy canyon]

There's also one down the path after coil bearers that you can get without pulling extra

[strong forum]

That one at the waterfall is a bit far back

But yes

[shadow haven]

thanks! i'm eu aswell

this maybe a noob question but i'm always told to prioritze ilvl over prefered secondary since we scale best with mainstat but does that hold true for rings which dont have mainstat?

[strong forum]

For rings you can drop up to 13 ilvl for stats

Unless it's haste for haste ring

You can drop like 13ilvl from a non-haste to a haste ring

And if its the mechagon combo, it's alot more ilvl you can drop to get it

[shadow haven]

I got 288 ring with lot of crit and some haste and a 278 ring with a lot of haste and some mastery

[sonic crag]

You can use MDT and find routes just by searching on Google. I would caution Dratnos routes are typically for higher key levels. Like well over 20.

If you have a group of 5 just go into the dungeon and figure out what works for you and your comp. Otherwise try DPSing a few low keys and see where other tanks go.

[dawn canyon]

Dratnos routes are specifically for 15s

But ok

[ebon wren]

Hi all I'm a night fae prot warrior that uses heavy repercussions and I came here to trigger yall. Good morning!

[dawn canyon]

Hi

[sonic crag]

Has that changed Phil? Last time I looked at them he was doing them for 20ish key levels

[dawn canyon]

Theyre meant for beginners and include as little skips or big pulls as possible

[topaz field]

dratnos routes are not that much of a meme 🙂 obviously they lack something but they are more than fine for 20-25 keys

[dawn canyon]

That's where you use dratnos advanced route :p

[sonic crag]

Guess I'll dial back my skeptical views and go look at them again.

[topaz field]

thats a good take

[ebon wren]

I dont feel like routes are difficult this season - easiest one yet to figure out. dungeons very linear except junkyard

[dawn canyon]

He doesnt have u invis outside of upper which is neat

[topaz field]

i wouldnt be too strict in general towards routes because a dungeon is always dynamic in terms of cds etc

press w works more often than not

[dawn canyon]

Yep

[sudden shell]

Have you ever seen a tank decide to make their own route that makes 0 logical sense

[uneven mason]

I've had DPS try that

[sudden shell]

Lol guys we need this whole pack for % ninja pulls

[uneven mason]

Then get mad I wasn't there to save them

[topaz field]

u as a tank should decide what u are comfy living right?

[dawn canyon]

"ok this is what i can live, now pull double for time"

[sudden shell]

ends dungeon at 140% mob count sorry I might have pulled extra pack or two or eight

O I ran a +15 grim rail for vault had whole last train before the second boss bug pull

Many kiting was done

[dawn canyon]

At least u cant really go over % in train

[sudden shell]

Ended up back on first train lol

[dawn canyon]

You could pull entire lower and go to 170%

[uneven mason]

If only we had bfa thunderclap to enable us on over pulling

8.0

[gleaming pawn]

hey guys, i just ran a 12. Whats more important, revenge or IP? (like if i already have an IP up and i only have rage for 1 or the other, which do i choose) i feel like my rage gen as necrolord isnt as high as it was for the dude in the video in the pins

[lusty tiger]

Revenge

Ip is literally the LAST on rage spending prio

You will generate waaay more rage ripping revenges and getting free ss procs

[sick sentinel]

i ran +5 gambit my own this morning, tried to pull last murlocs with the 2 lightning guys, that sucked, later tried pulling one of the 2 starseers with accomplice patrol group, that pull sucked even more and was wipe

[lusty tiger]

Wtf

Just be a guardian and pull it all and solo kill it

[sick sentinel]

way under estimated their power to overwhelm us

one of the attempts i had on curator 360k hp, last one alive with healer, execute spam, still died and wiped.

[lusty tiger]

I

That can be rough with the constant magic dam

But I think in a low key you should be able to heal through

[sick sentinel]

that's where i gave up though, i'm not fighting tooth and nail for a second 304

[pallid quiver]

You only press IP to avoid overcapping rage, which is a very common scenario. IP should almost always be up by sheer coincidence. If you won't overcap, though, revenge is by far what you want to spend rage on due to it resetting Shield Slam, which means you get more rage to spend.

[gleaming pawn]

i did a 12 iron docks and had banner up 55% of the time, is that pretty good for just starting to work on it?

[chrome falcon]

if you have logs that'll help, but ESPECIALLY in a 12 you can just smash IP

if you've literally just started 55% is totally fine yeah

sorry not smash IP

smash revenge

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, if it's your first M+ run for banner, it's fine. You'll just need to press more buttons, especially revenge

[chrome falcon]

slamming revenge gives you rage back

because of shield slam

[gleaming pawn]

i dont really tank anymore -_- so i pulled 2 packs then wanted 1 more dude and apparently i pulled zulgamax and i died 😦 but we didnt wipe lol but banner fell off there 😦

[chrome falcon]

IP should only be used to avoid overcaps

yeah you gotta be careful of the patrolling named mob

he can easily pulled zugzug pack

[pallid quiver]

also if you have have ravager down and last stand up you'll be "using IP to avoid overcapping", also known as mashing that shit on cooldown

[chrome falcon]

^

[south zealot]

LMAOO

[chrome falcon]

during LS+ravager you literally don't need to look at your rage bar

you just spam IP

for about 10 seconds

without even looking

[lusty tiger]

Just slam the f outta it

[gleaming pawn]

here was my dmg break down, 10.9k overall dps

[south zealot]

looks right

[chrome falcon]

seems about right, revenge could probably be slightly higher but

[south zealot]

just need to keep banner up more

[lofty widget]

tc seems a bit high compared to the other 2

[lusty tiger]

Tclap kinda high?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[lofty widget]

are you using outburst on TC?

[gleaming pawn]

and healing

[lusty tiger]

Rdm pog

[south zealot]

depends on the pulls but yesh i guess thats a bit high

[gleaming pawn]

yeah i hit tc by default

idk why i just do

[lofty widget]

always do it on SS

[icy flax]

ThunderClapTalent is the shit

[chrome falcon]

yeah don't do that

[south zealot]

i tend to use tc woth outburst on big packs

[lusty tiger]

Well don’t

[lofty widget]

for the rage

[gleaming pawn]

old habbit i think

[chrome falcon]

outburst goes on SS

almost always

[south zealot]

sjnce i dont need the extra rage bc im getting hit so many times

[gleaming pawn]

i was using IP a lot this dungeon, prob why my revenge looks lower

[lofty widget]

unless youre gonna overwrite outburst or you know what youre doing you always hit SS outburst

[gleaming pawn]

cuz i wasnt sure :\

so basically during ravager + LS ill probably be hitting ip alot, but otherwise not so much?

[south zealot]

use burst on execute

[lofty widget]

youre always hitting IP a lot

[south zealot]

yeah

[gleaming pawn]

and keeping Shield block up takes top prio right?

[icy flax]

Why would you still outburst SS in like a 10 mob pull

[chrome falcon]

because it gives you rage

[lusty tiger]

A lot of rage

Like 5x more than tc

[chrome falcon]

but in a 10 mob pull as long as you have good rage generation (ls, ravager, demo shout) you would probably use some outbursts on TC

[lofty widget]

"or if you know what youre doing" basically if you can keep up banner 100 % anyways, its more dmg to TC outburst on +6 targets

[chrome falcon]

^

[icy flax]

Yea imma keep TC'in

[chrome falcon]

if it's a big pull and i have LS up

i probably TC

[south zealot]

if you know you can keep up banner then use tclap

if 4+ targets

[chrome falcon]

but most people are TCing too much with outbursts

[dawn canyon]

The outburst SS = 2 revenges worth of rage

Which is more damage than the TC

[icy flax]

TC cooler though

[chrome falcon]

false

[sick sentinel]

mmm also, the guys i took for +5 gambit werent super gearedi was the highest ilvl at 282

[chrome falcon]

TC lame as hell

[icy flax]

Plus i use the avatar TC talent

[lofty widget]

nah feels ass

[lusty tiger]

To be fair

[chrome falcon]

oh

[dawn canyon]

You can tell they played bfa pwar

[chrome falcon]

well

[icy flax]

Y'all wild lol

[sick sentinel]

i gues i should have taken that into account

[lusty tiger]

There’s still no ss emoji

[chrome falcon]

if you use unstoppable force then

uhhh

sure do what you want lol

that shit sucks tho

[icy flax]

I'm not doing 25's it doesnt matter

[lofty widget]

true

[chrome falcon]

sure

[lusty tiger]

Being wild for playing correctly

[icy flax]

XDD

[lusty tiger]

These men are insane

[chrome falcon]

[icy flax]

Thunderclap is MY(PERSONAL LIKING) fav part of prot

[south zealot]

tc is great

i love tx

tc

[chrome falcon]

i would like thunderclap more if it didn't do Literally Zero Fucking Damage

[lusty tiger]

With minimal rage gains too

[chrome falcon]

yes and also generate Literally Zero Fucking Rage

[urban portal]

i kind of like the dynamic of rage gain with tc

[lusty tiger]

Should’ve scaled rage gen

Either outburst or mobs hit

[urban portal]

but it definitely should do more damage

[south zealot]

i dont mind tclap being low rage gen but the damage is terrible

[icy flax]

Outbursts TC's with whatever the talent do decent, or at least feels like it

[chrome falcon]

sure

[lusty tiger]

Yeah if you hate banner uptime

[chrome falcon]

but if you need outburst+avatar+banner

for it to do decent damage

it's bad

[icy flax]

You're so mad about it lol

I keep banner up 85%+

[lofty widget]

no ones mad lol

just pointing out tc is tuned like shit

[lusty tiger]

It does comically big dam on some packs tho

[dawn canyon]

Buff tc

[south zealot]

everything does tho

[icy flax]

+17 grimrail

[dawn canyon]

#makemycheeksclapagain

Bike enjoyer

[south zealot]

the worst part anout that screenshot is the bike

[dawn canyon]

Wdym

Bike is funny

[icy flax]

Show of force+ Unstoppable force talent makes the next TC +52.7% damage

[chrome falcon]

yes

but the base damage is awful

[south zealot]

didnt lame

or someone else

[icy flax]

I love bike, but grimrail doesn't really have the huge pulls like other dungeons where it can really pop off

[chrome falcon]

152% of awful is only barely less awful

[south zealot]

show that show of force unstoppable flrce is fine to play

[lofty widget]

my tc's hit almost as hard without either of those 2

[urban portal]

unstoppable is fine to play eyah

[chrome falcon]

yeah you can play what you want

late has shown that you can pump with UF

[lusty tiger]

He*

[south zealot]

iron docks?

[icy flax]

I see, fair enough; but I like to be clappin alot @lofty widget

[sick sentinel]

does this mean impending victory now viable?

[south zealot]

i like tclappint a lot

[lofty widget]

oh it was upper, prob not accurate lol

[icy flax]

how many SS's do you have

[south zealot]

but the only bad thing is that you have to spam the fuck out of ip

bc tou dont revenge as much

[lusty tiger]

Which feels weird w show of force

I didn’t like that

[icy flax]

Yea that def happens a decent amount, makes it awkward a decent amount of times per dungeon

[south zealot]

i love tclap

[icy flax]

But still keeps the rage u need to keep banner up

[south zealot]

i hope ravager isnt the play in dragonflight so we xan go UF

[icy flax]

do they compete?

[lofty widget]

why not both?

[chrome falcon]

no they're in different trees

[south zealot]

i mean signet

my bad

signet and uf compete right

[icy flax]

I've never played with signet so I don't know how it be

[lofty widget]

pretty shit atm since we only proc it with ava

[chrome falcon]

no-one has played with signet interacting with ravager

but yeah

[lusty tiger]

Is it normal for lowers to disband clearing auttumen trash?

[lofty widget]

but apparently its gonna proc off ravager in DF

[chrome falcon]

the dps specs have 2 things that proc signet

[icy flax]

Yes

[south zealot]

yes

[chrome falcon]

we only have 1

[south zealot]

attumen trash is by far the hardest part of the dungeon on fort

[dawn canyon]

Signet for tank cring

[icy flax]

I managed on my DH last night to have the horses not charge if I stood high enough on the hay of the edges of the room, but I need to test it more

didn't do damage+they didn't move

[lofty widget]

you still take dmg tho

[icy flax]

o

[south zealot]

i hate those horses

[lusty tiger]

First 23 was going smooth until dps couldn’t dodge horsies then I couldn’t dodge horsies for 4x the time waiting for them to walk back

[icy flax]

it was dodgeable cuz plenty of room

[south zealot]

frontals you csnt tank

[lusty tiger]

I know

I was moving

But not enough

[lofty widget]

ye theres a few places you can tank where they wont charge

[icy flax]

yea it's hard

are the bleed talents in DF tree a bait

[lofty widget]

but idk i ran lower like 5 times this season

[lusty tiger]

When u have 3 horsies and their charges get staggered

I just started moving when I heard the 🐴 sound

[south zealot]

the funny psrt about the horses is dps who wsnt me to pull more

but dont kick anything

[icy flax]

big pull no interrupt im dpsing >:C!!

[uneven mason]

DDR skills engage

[lusty tiger]

Yea inspiring horsies inspired my group to disband

[south zealot]

dude ive gone into gambits

[icy flax]

lmao

[lusty tiger]

And my healer to go to sleep

[south zealot]

telling my team you need to kick the bolts

and at the end of the first area like 2 kicks have gone out

[uneven mason]

"but kick is rogue only"

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[south zealot]

warlocks kicking things is the rarest

[uneven mason]

Have you tried kicking in a robe?

[sick sentinel]

its hard to be fair

[uneven mason]

Like they can't even get shin high

[sick sentinel]

they have to have fel hound which is a a pretty weak DPS pet far as i've ever heard

[south zealot]

pet dps means actually nothing in huge aoe

[sick sentinel]

best non CD clearly imp and the charge guy

[lusty tiger]

Like .1% pet melee

99.99% rof even on bosses

[sick sentinel]

main reason to use fel gaurd, 1, he is large red and chargey boy, 2 he become a beyblade, 3 hes a #1 stunna with his hammer whatever stun thing whch is great yay more storm bolt

[icy flax]

beyblade #111

#1*

[lusty tiger]

Why would I kick if the tank can tank it and the healer can heal it 😈

[sick sentinel]

beyblade pet does really good dmg in dungeons last i checked

[south zealot]

thats only for demo i think

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[cunning knot]

Mekacycle shield or normal shield? Anyone break it down for me

[mortal brook]

Meka proc is smol absorb and smol pp, and the damage doesnt happen if smol absorb is fully eaten. Ebecause its so smol, an equal ilvl statted shield is better

If your highest ilvl shield is mekka, use that cuz ilvl is big on a shield

[undone verge]

Remember everyone, you can’t do upper Kara unless you’re a blood dk

Any other tanks you might as well not even try

[ocean yoke]

i tried to do a 2 but the damage was magic so maybe better luck next time

[gleaming pawn]

but as warriors we can spell reflect shit and do big dmg @undone verge 😦 i wanna do big dmg

[undone verge]

Doesn’t matter cause bdks are the only people who can tank bosses. Us prot warriors will just get one shot by everything

[edgy grail]

The sad truth is

[dawn canyon]

At the point where pwar is better than BDK in upper you've depleted to a boss already

[edgy grail]

Why invite a warrior when you have 60 DK sign ups

[dawn canyon]

In high keys

[safe thistle]

a dps warrior can spell reflect too in upper

spell reflect is nice but not something that will make you mandatory lol

[uneven mason]

Oh to be mandatory, the unobtainable dream

[safe thistle]

on The eye it used to reflect the dmg they nerfed it when warrior get fun with spell reflect blizz hit it hard

and you can on skolex but normal difficulty... which is like the training school 😦

[sick sentinel]

that 2 minute cd spell block DF beta could be changed to mishappen mirror legendary, or; reflects AOE 3 ticks if you choose it.

[dawn canyon]

Doubt it

[sick sentinel]

not ontop of, but replacement to, if spell block doesn't end up being good.

[strong forum]

It's already niche

You're not gonna play it very often

You'll use it like shieldwall, but exclusively for magic busters

Or in big caster mob pulls

[lusty tiger]

Pull after the first boss of sanguine depths

[sick sentinel]

im not going to ask any more right now about DF beta in this channel, but what happens if you try to hit 2 buttons same time, and say, one has 2 seconds cd, and other has 4 seconds cd.

what occurs then? attempts to cast both on repeat or just the last

[strong forum]

1 button is already pressed first

You can't press 2 at the exact same millisecond

Especially if you have say a macro

/cast Shield slam
/cast revenge

It'll always send SS first

Cuz it's higher

[sick sentinel]

that would be extremely broken and litterally play the game itself if u could cast 2 or 3 abilities on repeat just by hold them down

[strong forum]

Doubt they'll enable more than 1 button being able to be held

[sick sentinel]

my thoughts are that it should be limited to say, 3 - 5 repeats before you have to press again, say your just spamming filler spell, or combo point adder for rogue

i can't see a world where you'd be down more than 5 GCD's but your still able to attack.

[lusty tiger]

Frost mage?

Destro lock

Boomkin

Amazing specs to utilize the new hold down thingy

[sick sentinel]

comeon now, convoke is,what, 2, 3 min cd? lol

kekw

[cinder nova]

Oh, yogi

I got that route for you

[sick sentinel]

im not sure which key your thinking about

[cinder nova]

UK

[sick sentinel]

so, you guys said i just walk dead center even as tauren

for 2 robots, i attempted this 3-4, times,at least, and it failed, 3-4 times at least

[cinder nova]

Probably just doing it wrong. I've grouped with tauren that did it fine.

Or you just take some savory deviate delight to minimize your hitbox

Worgen are nearly as large and I do it fine

And that's during banner, and Ava

Like, I get clipped onto doorways between the alarm bot maze in Workshop

[dawn canyon]

United kingdom keystone HOLY SHIT??!!!

[cinder nova]

zzzz

Don't tell me you're one of those Cromagnons that call it RTKUK

[dawn canyon]

I actually missread and thought u were shitposting

I call it "meh go other key"

Same for GD which is either SD2/train for me

[lusty tiger]

No aoe kara

Or spell reflect Kara

[dawn canyon]

SRK

zdpsk

[cinder nova]

@sick sentinel no idea if pastebin works, but I've had spotty work with it in the past

https://pastebin.com/AcjKenj2

That's the string for MDT

[compact hinge]

is there a way to track when shade will cast piercing missiles?

[cinder nova]

No.

Just SR the last tick.

[lusty tiger]

Look at the cast bar

[dawn canyon]

He just casts random shit which is why he's so dangerous

[compact hinge]

well ya but i was wondering if you can track it to precast cuz ive noticed the casts stops completely if you pre do it

[dawn canyon]

You just sent CDs? Bird Phase

[cinder nova]

I feel like they normalized it. The last two times I did it, he did winter > bird > wreath

Maybe I'm

[sick sentinel]

nothing you can doabout the blood soak vampire eh? zulgamux

he drains whole team and sucks to fight

[lusty tiger]

Skip him

[safe thistle]

uppper i think his the key with the least amount of trash to % ratrio

cause of chess event taking forever and giving 8%ish

[compact hinge]

I feel like im getting shredded to piercing missiles, any tips? my trinkets def aren't the best for it, running ows and Soleah's but i tried a 25 and that shit melted me

[dawn canyon]

Sr last tick to avoid debuff

[cinder nova]

Don't be bad and SR the claw before they are about to use their AOE MS so that the dot cleaves through the barrier.

[safe thistle]

IP and SR last tick yup

[cinder nova]

It's not that hard. If I can do it on a 25 UK you can do it at 14. Your healers just need to git gud and your DPS need to press defensives.

The biggest problem low keys have is holding coolies for nothing.

[dawn canyon]

Nothing to really send not there anyways

You get everything back like twice before curator burn at minimum

[cinder nova]

But yeah, lining up your SR of the claw debuff on Zul is objectively one of the better things you can do for your team so the dot you're SRing does all the heavy lifting on the absorb.

Also press Shattering Throw.

[sick sentinel]

pro tip, coolies is or was a racist term at one point pointed at asian people

[dawn canyon]

Never heard of it

[cinder nova]

I mean fuck we're just full sending spam garbage for MDT

That has notes and everything.

[safe thistle]

i dunno how to send it as a small link

[undone verge]

Link the wagio page

[cinder nova]

Oh yeah you could wago it

@sick sentinel https://wago.io/B5ZuBRB9j there, try that

[grave wedge]

scrub question but how do you guys manag ignore pain. Ive had stoped using my warrior just before keys became a thing so im relearning alot lol, Wondering if now with the buff its my prio 100 percent or if im trying to shield block blockable mobs and pain the rest,

[dawn canyon]

The buff changed nothing

You use SB to mitigate

Revenge to dump and reset SS

IP to prevent rage over capping

[grave wedge]

so its mainly for a rage dump then

[dawn canyon]

Yea

[grave wedge]

okay cool im used to using shield block for most mobs spell reflect to help with magic damage when needed so i expect besisded rage over cap itll help with the magic side of damage then

[dawn canyon]

Youll notice during last stand youll press IP a lot

[hollow zodiac]

hey guys, is it possible to track banner's uptime on allies?

looking at a log and it looks extremely low, not sure why

[urban portal]

its supposed to be low

[hollow zodiac]

is it?

it's not the same uptime as mine?

[urban portal]

its not

[hollow zodiac]

ok nvm

it's the default 15 sec on the tooltip for allies?

[urban portal]

yes

[hollow zodiac]

I see, ty

[south zealot]

yes the mastery bonus does not extend

[cinder nova]

It's a rage dump and a banner pad tbh

Just smashing Rev over IP will expire your banner so fast.

You should also be gunning for 25s+ banner at the open with LS

28s+ if you have a lust open

[cosmic basin]

Bit of a weird one, but i have a question to ya'll. What's the one thing, one piece of wisdom you would want to share with newer players picking up tanking and picking up Prot warrior in these chaotic times? An advise or just a msg for new guys 😄

[chrome falcon]

the best way to learn to tank is to go and tank

anything else you can just ask about in (most) class discords

[mighty valley]

“Ignore pain uptime” isn’t a thing

[urban portal]

YEA

just play the game

go fk around in 15s

burn a key or two

[random pebble]

IS Seismic reverberations still decent or am I tripping on some old meta shit?

(M+ only)

[agile pumice]

i think it's still really good for damage but you will die if you try doing anything above like a 20 with it

it'll be harder to keep banner up too

[random pebble]

Hmmm... Reprisal then?

Reprisal is obviously great quality of life, I just feel like it's kind of boring

[drifting fable]

reprisal+necro is go to for overall tankiness and rage generation

[pallid quiver]

Reprisal specifically plugs the gaps in shield block and mitigation that Prot Warrior can run into without it

[drifting fable]

way better than all other options

[pallid quiver]

It's pretty much a band-aid to the issue with Prot War mitigation in comparison to other tanks

The free revenge proc and rage is just a bonus on the top that we can use to a hell of an extent

[urban portal]

reprisal is anything but boring

its too much interaction to me

[restive oak]

its only 15 secs

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @shut summit hi friends, I hope you're having a pleasant day today.

[potent anvil]

[warm plinth]

[shut summit]

[pastel sleet]

is fusion hacker good?

[drifting fable]

good in single target, worse than other 304 weps in aoe

[pastel sleet]

okay

ty

[chrome falcon]

reprisal is many things

but calling it "boring" is a wild take

when you're comparing it to "extra rage on shield slam" and "revenge does more damage"

[urban portal]

its literally the least boring leggo

[chrome falcon]

reprisal is impacting your decisions and gameplay literally every single second of every encounter

[pallid quiver]

there is such an urge in me to challenge that statement on technicalities even if i agree with the sentiment

[chrome falcon]

literally every 5 seconds of every encounters

are we happy now

[pallid quiver]

I'll never be happy, but I can accept this from the section of my soul that's an ass-goblin like all technicality seekers

[mortal brook]

https://c.tenor.com/FBfeGDpbUTUAAAAd/wow-warrior.gif

not so fast

[urban portal]

ah

true

[ocean yoke]

average leaper enjoyer

[pastel sleet]

is salvaged meckacycle shielding good?

[mortal brook]

wearable but not good. use if highest ilvl shield

[pastel sleet]

alright. currently my tied with my highest ilvl shield. is the effect better than stats for tankng?

[mortal brook]

tisnt. its smol absorb and smol pp and if the smol absorb is fully eaten then the damage event doesnt happen

[pastel sleet]

ty

[fiery vapor]

@random pebble

[novel temple]

When should I start taking the merits?

I feel like there’s nothing for me to upgrade this week out of my chest

[sonic crag]

Might be blasphemy to say here, but warrior has 2 other specs

I'm done with Prot specific gear as far a weapon, shieldz and trinkets go.

Got a Gavel already. Would love a Jaithys to play around in fury.

[novel temple]

Oh, I opened the chest already

But it’s all lover ilvl stuff or stuff I have legendaries on

I might get the boots but I haven’t done anything for arms or fury yet

[drifting fable]

never a bad time for sockets, you get 2 per vault this season

[novel temple]

I’ll go with that then

[sick sentinel]

I mean my first vault this season ended up being sockets. It's less a point you start and more just a thing that just happens when you get a bad roll

[red siren]

Hi ! Can someone explain me why we have to tank the 3rd boss of Upper in the corner ? Pls

[jagged pier]

so the orbs all spawn in the same place

[ionic fern]

Jakey.,
Carry my paladin.

I don't have a key, i don't have gear, but i have a positive attitude!

[jagged pier]

i thought flames was doing it?

[ionic fern]

No, @wild rampart is too busy to care about me.

[jagged pier]

well 6ST im free i guess

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

but i have a ZA run on wrath to do later

[ionic fern]

You already maxed on Wrath?

o.o

[jagged pier]

well its pre patch but ZA still gives gear for plebs like me

[ionic fern]

I'm still lvl 15.

[jagged pier]

i have arcanite ripper tho

[ionic fern]

https://gfycat.com/unsightlyglitteringbream

[onyx vessel]

[mortal brook]

get that sick prepatch plate armor set

[wild rampart]

in 1 hour bud, I start my charity key runs for disenfranchised TCs

[ionic fern]

Work.

😦

[oblique garnet]

Where full brutal

[jagged pier]

lul i dont pvp

ever

[topaz verge]

Is there a recommended leggo for people who don't want to use reprisal in M+?

[jagged pier]

no because nothing is close to rep in any content

[topaz verge]

darn

[jagged pier]

u can use the wall but u loose a shit tone even and have to run different talents which means u loose even more

[blazing condor]

id recommend shadowmourne cus if ur not gonna play reprisal you might as well play classic

[grave wedge]

Ran into an issue last night where on multiple charge attempts I would get spun around facing the party rather than the direction I was originally facing. Anybody have any ideas I've always had this happen from time to time over the years but it was consistently happening last night.

There was a hunter in the midsirecting to me and I'm wondering if hes misdirecting and hitting the mobs as I'm charging could I be clipping through them because of it

[frigid gulch]

Are you sure you don’t just have a mouse over macro that binds both charge and the ally one and you were hovering on a team member

I do that shit all the time

Intercept

[grave wedge]

No I haven't started working mouse over macros and yet that's gonna start in the next couple of weeks for myself once I get my rotation down a little bit better. I've been away from taking for a few years taking it easy as ABM hunter

I'm not charging back or anything I'm just facing the wrong direction and what I'm trying to grab and go with mobs sometimes I've run them at the party

[sick sentinel]

I got a question with shield slam. Its about the damage Output. The hits are starting at 10-12 k ne going up to 50 k non crit, crits are even higher.
I Wang to understand how its damage is ampliefied outside of avatar and shield block uptime

Can some1 help ne?

[pallid quiver]

Outbursts?

It makes it do 200% more rage gen and damage, so 3 times as much

if i'm understanding your question right

[sick sentinel]

May be yeah but it feels like its not

Ill check later

[oblique garnet]

Afking av is not exactly pvp

[jagged pier]

yer cba even doing that

[foggy garden]

Hello everyone ! I am new to prot warrior coming from prot pally. I see a lot of prot warrior playing with mecagone rings, why not a hast versa ring ?

[lofty widget]

Because mechagon rings give you over 100 stats for free with almost 100% uptime

If you use the 3 abilities + haste set

[foggy garden]

And this is worth 0 versa on rings?

[sick sentinel]

versa is kinda over rated and stinky

[mellow bridge]

yogi with the correct take

[foggy garden]

It is not our best defensiv stats?

[mellow bridge]

No

[sick sentinel]

you just get so much more out of haste

[mellow bridge]

your amount of vers is irrelevant

i do 29s with 14% vers

ilvl (if it has mainstat) > haste > crit until ~250-300 > vers

for defensive value

[sick sentinel]

people telling you "you need to equip more versa" especially if its like, your GM who is "your friend", are wrong

source, i lived this in bfa, counter, i was and am still bad

[mellow bridge]

what happened

yogi giving good advice

[jagged pier]

vers was still wrong in bfa

[sick sentinel]

yes but my friends a DK shadow and healer cody, hardcore arena andies

"you need more versatility" every day im not sure how they came to the conclusion besides MDI does it and i guess bfa arenas unlocked tons of versa gear which is good in pvp

[uneven mason]

It's because it's the only stat that says it reduces damage.
it makes sense......in a vacuumm like that sucking void between the ears of these MDI fotm following masses

[undone verge]

Daily reminder prot warriors will instantly die if there is magic damage

[sick sentinel]

how do i need a daily reminder of this if i play pwar daily >.>

[jagged pier]

its not all stats reduce damage actually

haste through more rage and CDR

crit u parry with

which flat stops damage

and mastery means u block more damage rng but still a damage reduction

[modern brook]

He means it's the only one with the words Dr in it

[uneven mason]

We're talking overall, all stats reduce the total amount of damage you take over time, also mastery buffs AP which is IP

Yeah what bull said

It on the box

[jagged pier]

well sure its in the writing but im still sure if u hover over crit and mastery it mentions those things

maybe its an addon doing it for me

[uneven mason]

You expect fotm people to understand stuff like parry and block

[jagged pier]

well if you have to ask about vers rings your not going to understand anything and need a major change in your approach to the game

we've only managed yogi this expansion

thats 1 over 2 years

[sick sentinel]

i don't play dk, so i don't knowfor sure that it works this way, but, i think if u hav more versa as DK, and you hit deathstrike, deathstrike hits for more, so you heal for more

maybe its you take increased healing from other players... i remember arguing with them about this though and versa

[oblique garnet]

Dks want haste crit anyways

[minor helm]

If you don’t know for sure why are you arguing with people about it

[sick sentinel]

this was all the wayback in BFA

am i really this much dis-coherent when speaking to you guys alot of the time?

i think what had happened was we wanted to do or had done a key, and it probably failed at some point so we were likely discussing strategies.

[cobalt seal]

[mellow bridge]

I refuse to speak on that matter

[modern brook]

Yes

:^)

[modern brook]

I find if your group thinks talking secondaries is talking strategy, secondaries aren't the reason you didn't time the key

No shots at semantics, but it's really rare having 2% more passive dr is the reason you couldn't live through 14 unlicked necrotic bolts

[dawn canyon]

Tertiaries however

[uneven mason]

Like stats, it can be reliably said, will never be the reason why a key fails.

[modern brook]

No discussion to be had, speed is king NYOOOOOM

[dawn canyon]

NYOOOOOOOM

🚙

[dawn canyon]

Hunter didnt have the 20% avoid required for Xav pre-nerf gg.

[sick sentinel]

#makesoargreatagain

[dawn canyon]

It wont matter for Yogi keys tho

Or does Yogi play 29 top now

[sick sentinel]

at best i do like 17's lol i did 2 17's on time

[dawn canyon]

I dont know

[sick sentinel]

i did 17 TOP and i did uh one of the new ones.... cant recall

work shop

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-4/6670981-17-operation-mechagon-workshop

[modern brook]

im pogging at yogi 17s

grats man

[sick sentinel]

workshop with a half way competent group is so free its silly

tyranical workshop though... 3rd and finalboss... phew....

[uneven mason]

Wishlist for DF - no more tyran/fort

[sick sentinel]

remove grevious

[uneven mason]

Also just have all affixes active at +2 so people can learn the dungeons properly

[blazing condor]

we've come a long way in 1 year

[modern brook]

wishlist for DF is 19 friends 😦

[blazing condor]

[sick sentinel]

grevious is a tank and healer heart attack agitator

[blazing condor]

what do you need me and 19 more friends for?

[modern brook]

to play wow

[blazing condor]

we going 21 man

[sick sentinel]

basically my party in wow, regardless irl friend id, guild or unknown...

[cobalt seal]

didn't know you needed to mythic raid to play wow xD

[spice axle]

is there any wa to learn about good casts/things to reflect while in a dungeon?

not just random bolts i mean

[cobalt seal]

if you check pins

that would help

[sick sentinel]

i can't cite exactly why they don't want me using WA for reflect

but i have used a WA for reflect in th past

[spice axle]

i know but i wanted to know if there's a WA so i can see it while fighting mobs

[sick sentinel]

there's also a reflectable list in the pins top right push pin icon, likely with a red dot for you haven't read these

[cobalt seal]

no such thing

[spice axle]

good to know

[cobalt seal]

only a WA that says dmg done

by SR

[modern brook]

wow is absurdly boring in Heroic

M+ is only good if the dungeons are good

[cobalt seal]

dungeons are shit rn

And I'm having a blast

[sick sentinel]

i'll bite on this one, i did have a WA for S3 that had a bar that would turn red or green, and if it was green, you were safe to activate spell reflect

it did work for me well, terms of reflecting more crap

[cobalt seal]

https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker

[sick sentinel]

well, yes, but its not like the dungeon abilities changed until s4

[cobalt seal]

but we are in S4 rn

[spice axle]

that could be a good one. but i usually track target of mobs by their plater so i probably wont need that wa i think

[sick sentinel]

i hear you, i just am not aware of a WA that does the samething, and im not sure how hard it would be to attempt to tell it to go off the new reflect list - to cro

[spice axle]

btw do u guys macro avatar and banner?

[sick sentinel]

no, because you just send avatar on CD anyways

[bleak depot]

I have the 262 Crafted Ring with haste/vers. Just dropped a Big Ring from Heroic with Mastery/crit. Should I still swap even though theres no Primary stat on rings?

I will lose 6% haste, but I had 41% anyways

[cobalt seal]

prob a few hours of work

[drifting fable]

send avatar on CD provided you wont overwrite an outburst. youre gonna have to hold it sometimes

[drifting fable]

go with the higher ilvl ring until you can get your hands on mechagon rings. the passive from those is really good for us

[sick sentinel]

if only we were so lucky, it would be just swapping spell ID's

[drifting fable]

you can drop like 10 ilvls on rings for stats but it sounds like you have a bigger upgrade than that

[bleak depot]

Yea its the Rygleon RIng

[drifting fable]

yeah ideally you want the 3 abilities+haste mechagon set

[bleak depot]

Only got on of these rn

So just go for the hero ring until I get the mechagon one?

[sick sentinel]

i got some ugly versa mastery ring or some shit

[drifting fable]

yeah. youll get more stats overall

the haste lost is not a deal breaker

[bleak depot]

thank you

[sick sentinel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1016790653218340874/unknown.png

bad vault ring

[cinder nova]

Not anymore.

IP is based on HP.

That's why it can spike caps upto like... 60K+ with LS going.

Oh wait casts are still AP-based.

[urban portal]

yeah

casts are AP(vers/mastery) while caps are %ap

so you can definitely overcap in 1.4 ish casts

[oblique garnet]

👏 Overcapping 👏 IP 👏 Does 👏 Not 👏 Matter 👏

[urban portal]

does not

just wanted to point that out tho

[pastel sleet]

feels good

[undone owl]

GRATS!!! :/

[urban portal]

congrats on the 34 gold

[sick sentinel]

if i have a 304 codex in vault im taking it no questions asked

all 3 are upgrade

don't have a valor weapon yet

[mortal brook]

only one of those cant be valor'd

[sick sentinel]

i could take helmet cata it

i havethese gear

[spiral warren]

I would do helm and catalyze yeah

[dawn canyon]

That's defo some S4 gear

[sick sentinel]

neck wrists both rings one trinket is valorable

up to 994

cuz, blizzard say fuckyou

didnt get 1k for 1 more

[tropic gorge]

I hope a 304 shield is in mine, or a 304 2h weapon for pve/p usage

[undone verge]

Never forget

[undone verge]

Nooooo don’t do it

[lusty grotto]

oof

this vault

rip

[undone verge]

Whatchu got

[tropic gorge]

All boots? Lol

[lusty grotto]

304 bit band or 298 bit band with socket?

the rest i have 304 on

[sick sentinel]

well, whats theendthing they have

[tropic gorge]

Oof. To the sim!

[sick sentinel]

bit bands are "of the bear"

[undone verge]

Socket, but remember you can socket the 304

[lusty grotto]

ftl

[sick sentinel]

you can socket later

[lusty grotto]

btw i still dont have the dumb other ring

i lost count of junkyard runs

[sick sentinel]

i never ever take the socket optino FWIW

[cinder nova]

Tell me you didn't take that

[naive panther]

What are you other options? I'd take the 304 if nothing else is huge and plan on socketting it asap.

[lusty grotto]

other options arent upgrades

gloves/helm 304 which i already have

[lofty widget]

should sim but i think 2 sockets are better

even if you do socket the 304 down the road

[lusty grotto]

yeah im just worried i wont get a 304 version again

[drifting fable]

304 vs 298 aint the end of the world on a ring

[lofty widget]

its pretty minor

[lusty grotto]

true

[lofty widget]

like it's an immediate stat loss cause of socket and only +9 after socket

2 sockets now are easy +32

[lusty grotto]

hmm... i gotta sim

cause im at 41% haste atm

[naive panther]

Long term take the 304 ring

[lusty grotto]

also 3rd fated sepulcher in a row i get decanter lmao

which i already have, granted lfr version

or is it 2nd? idk

[balmy canyon]

Is choker of the barbed reins worth taking at 304? I'm currently using a 278 gambit neck (the haste vers one)

[lusty grotto]

i wouldn't

but simming is a better answer

[lofty widget]

the effect is horrible if thats what youre curious about

[drifting fable]

effect is bad and the stats are pretty dog compared to the gambit one imo

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[lofty widget]

its probably an immediate upgrade cause more stats>better stats but still wouldnt take it