but like once base line "won't get globalled" is reached, do is hella brain dead
#protection
pallid quiver
I'll always argue that for the moment
But back to the original, yeah, just practice. Make sure you have shield block up any time you're being hit and you'll feel real tanky then, even before Shield Eall or anything
fickle arrow
I definately feel like i push revenge too much... but im trying to get to higher dmg numbers... and I feel like I shouldnt be. Cause I die a lot more then I should ๐ฆ
strong forum
the goal to high dmg output is banner uptime
more banner uptime = more uptime on +22% str, 400 mastery and shitloads of rage gen
that is ALOT more important than pressing more revenges
pallid quiver
If you maintain banner, you get lots of strength, which makes damage and survivability. On top of that, if you also keep shield block up, you'll be extremely tanky
strong forum
it all plays togetther for pwar
fickle arrow
gotcha! likely my problem
strong forum
theres not 1 way to do more dmg or be more tanky
pallid quiver
Those two things are the basic core of how to play Warrior
pallid quiver
If you notice shield block keeps dropping, I'd focus on fixing that, first, since the charges/intervenes will give you rage to keep banner up with
strong forum
and if you can master that, youll have more block uptime, more rage, more dmg, more avatar uptime, more CDs
it all ties together
its the perfect benchmark
fickle arrow
Thanks all ๐ you all are great!
banner uptime > anything else. got it. Do we keep pulling mobs into each other. Like chain them to keep uptime being the goal?
strong forum
if its efficient for your key
and not gonna cause troubles for you or your group
yes
you can bank up enough time to bridge some downtime between packs
BUT you will find yourself rushing from pack to pack alot more
because "Muh banner"
ive annoyed my group tons because of it, but it is important for your own survival to keep up banner
youre literally 30-40% tankier with banner up
fickle arrow
likely why I feel so squishy
strong forum
ya, most likely
fickle arrow
Any nifty macros I should know about?
fickle arrow
from the banner video?
strong forum
once youre good with IP usage a macro i made yesterday which baffles me how i didnt think of it sooner is
fickle arrow
oh nvm
dim knoll
What weapon and shield should i be targeting from m+ should i still be targeting codex if i do t raid?
strong forum
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
to replace your regular IP bind
strong forum
What weapon and shield should i be targeting from m+ should i still be targeting...
codex is utter trash for pwar
weapon you want from streets or workshop
shield you want from grimrail
dim knoll
Oh. I didnโt know that. What are the 2 trinkets i should be going for?
strong forum
from m+, soleahs and stun grenade are the 2 best ones
but i heavily urge you to atleast get your dinars
fickle arrow
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
to replace your regular IP bind
oh what benefit is this? just to hit shield slam and IP at the same time due to no GCD?
strong forum
and buy ows
dim knoll
Alright! I have both of those. And yea i am going ows next. Just got gavel first since i am dps going to tank
strong forum
oh what benefit is this? just to hit shield slam and IP at the same time due to ...
you want to maximise SS usage, and you only IP to prevent rage capping, so its quite beneficial to save a few milliseconds or snipe an SS reset with that macro
dim knoll
Still reprisal on boots?
strong forum
yep
dim knoll
And necro for banner correct? Sorry for the noob questions. I just want to get into tanking
strong forum
si
dim knoll
Thank you
dim knoll
Thank you. And Iโll check raider io for what conduits and soul l bind to use. I appreciate the help
dawn canyon
That sense guy up there is who you wanna look at
sick sentinel
until the first boss of 17 WS, i wondered why i didnt have my IP bound and it was a macro for finding ivory cloud serpent in its place, so i died
got an, 18 upper now.
Morning all I posted some logs in the log channel and Iโm wondering if someone could check it out I just went necro lastnight from being Kyrian just wanting to know where I can improve
autumn pendant
cinder storm
I glanced over it, looks good for your first time
For some reason I can't see the logs channel again on my phone
flint plank
In raid. How do you determine which is better to use rage on at the time with shield block and ignore pain. Sorry if noob question
flint plank
So If youโre dumping in ST. You donโt press revenge right ? Cuz itโs aoe ?
Just ignore
undone verge
revenge is your rage spender no matter the targets. You press it to reset Shieldslam
patent gorge
298 Mech shield + Leech or 298 GR shield? I assume game with the leech ya?
undone verge
spend rage on revenge, only press ignore pain when you're gonna cap rage
undone verge
298 Mech shield + Leech or 298 GR shield? I assume game with the leech ya?
GR
Junkyard shield is pretty bad
flint plank
spend rage on revenge, only press ignore pain when you're gonna cap rage
Thank you !
undone verge
Thank you !
np, and as for sheild block, pretty much just press it on CD
flint plank
Got it. Shield block on Cd. Spend on revenge and dump on ignore pain
Buddy told me to remove ignore pain from my bar cuz it was useless but I figured Iโd ask the pros lol
sick sentinel
...
aww shit, here we go again
no, u play necrolord, and u use IP during time of extreme rage gain overflow to fuel set/anger mastery
pallid quiver
Buddy told me to remove ignore pain from my bar cuz it was useless but I figured...
I mean its intended effect is pretty useless at the moment, but spendng 35 rage off the GCD is not
It is some survivability and all, but it just is never down due to rage gen
sick sentinel
we spend it because its the only good target for dumping rage, which fuels everything we do
pallid quiver
Specifically, you want to IP to prevent overcapping
Revenge should be your go to rage dump until you're concerned about capping
since it resets SS, which gives you more rage to spend
sick sentinel
yeah, if u will go to 100 rage and you can't spend it on shield block or revenge to get you below like, 80 70 rage
but, its not a bad idea to have IP up, another absorb and it got buffed recently. not nessecary to have it up
edgy bone
What % haste are we striving for on prot warrior?
flint plank
The is for the help. Just wanted to start raid tanking and wanted to use 1h and shield and Prot war looks more fun than pally
sick sentinel
What % haste are we striving for on prot warrior?
40% when from stats
frigid gulch
Thanks for the excellent explanation on priorities for spending rage, thatโs made me understand I need to be revenging a lot more, instead of dumping through IP as much
sick sentinel
so, BL, ITF do not count towards this
because they are % based gains
after 20? (i think?) 30, 40 50 % from stats (+100 haste from buff, +75haste from armor etc), you lose a small amount
chrome falcon
What % haste are we striving for on prot warrior?
whatever you can get without losing ilvl
dire tulip
what makes the alchemist dude the best soul bind for necrolord?
sick sentinel
ultimate form gives CC immune during FC and for 2s after if you complete it, and kevin
dire tulip
how does bone smith compare?
sick sentinel
i can't really comment on it cuz i mostly play merileth, i think its supposed to be for raids more
and im under 2k m+ score
urban portal
what makes the alchemist dude the best soul bind for necrolord?
the mastery gives your more defensive power
and the stagger helps
bonesmith sims better on ST
take that as you will
urban portal
after 20? (i think?) 30, 40 50 % from stats (+100 haste from buff, +75haste from...
its 990 haste rating
dire tulip
the mastery gives your more defensive power
I find myself using fleshcraft more reactively than all the time. That is why I think I struggle with him. I prefer to use it to save my skin over just being slightly better when I don't need it. Is that a bad idea?
dire tulip
I have had a few issues with alot of the suggested stuff being close but some stuff being easier to use. Like reprisal over the wall. Reprisal is better, but the wall is just so much easier. Same with bonesmith over alchemist dude
urban portal
can play boensmith
sick sentinel
should i equip mechagon 288 deflector wrists over 282 stats wrists? crit versa
can't upgrade
urban portal
are the 288 the parry ones
dire tulip
I would argue you want to catalize those wrists
I think they catalize to haste and either vers or crit
sick sentinel
i have to check the pieces i can catalyze, but i had 13k, spent 10k today to get 278 cond
this is my guy here
dire tulip
I like most of it, but you really want old warriors soul
like that trinket is just awesome
I also run enforcers stun grenade because of just how much vers it gives so fast
like your duengon trinket is good, but idk about the jailer one for prot.
chrome falcon
I have had a few issues with alot of the suggested stuff being close but some st...
i don't really understand the logic that the weaker legendary is easier
surely taking less damage and dealing more damage makes the content easier
sick sentinel
i thought fated was only 3 weeks, 1 week for each raid, so i bought a leash, yes really
chrome falcon
your rotation will be easier if you remove thunderclap from your bars
that doesn't make it better
sick sentinel
i figured, i can just farm out the transmog later on
dire tulip
<a:bonkcat:664576102315851862>
20% ves is great damage during lusts and execute and it is up often
sick sentinel
but, i got both next week, if i don't fuck up my raiding flr and turning them in
cobalt seal
20% ves is great damage during lusts and execute and it is up often
so is the 5m trinket
dire tulip
i don't really understand the logic that the weaker legendary is easier
I can't charge weave well enough compared to just shield slamming. reprisal is better, I just can't get the hang of it fast enough
cobalt seal
I can't charge weave well enough compared to just shield slamming. reprisal is ...
just play better?
and learn
?
chrome falcon
reprisal is better if you just charge between packs and use intervene on a random melee on CD
you're never going to learn it if you don't use it
you learn charge weaving in like 5 keys
if you actually try
chrome falcon
it's not super hard to use intervene on CD and just strafe back for 0.5 seconds then charge a caster/stunned mob, trust me
and even without optimal use it is far, far stronger than the wall
obviously if you're doing low weekly keys you don't need a legendary at all but
sick sentinel
yes, the cd for SW is very good with reprisal like 1 minute ish its better with tw yeah but reprisal just better
dire tulip
you're never going to learn it if you don't use it
I did try and I never quite got the hang of it. In fact, it was the one I used much more. I cleared AoTC fated Sepulcher with reprisal. I just like the wall better. I am just chocking it up to being bad.
chrome falcon
but you don't have to be bad
being bad is not a genetic trait
you can stop being bad if you practice
cobalt seal
and even without optimal use it is far, far stronger than the wall
just play seismic at that point lol
chrome falcon
everyone in here (with the exception of me) was bad until they did stuff they were bad at until they weren't bad at it anymore
also yeah
if you're in a key that's low enough
that you can live without reprisal
just play seismic and pump
sick sentinel
i'd just set someone on focus and then intervene them on CD
late notch
Throw your face at things until you can't stand it anymore
chrome falcon
wall provides essentially 0 defensive benefit because SW is always up anyway
cobalt seal
wild question while we are at it
sick sentinel
you can get like, 30 second SW cds if you play well cant yu
sick sentinel
with tw,, just that's all there is toit, thats the entire gimmick
don't worry im paying attention to who ur talking to
chrome falcon
if their banner uptime is bad it won't be because of rep exclusively
wall is similar rage gain
dire tulip
are you necrolord? if so average uptime on banner?
if this is at me, my reprisal banner time was about 1:15-1:30. With the wall, I stopped at 4 minutes
cobalt seal
if this is at me, my reprisal banner time was about 1:15-1:30. With the wall, I ...
I'm sorry how do you go from 1:30 to 4
dire tulip
that is purely dummy banner
honestly, I have no idea. I went from trying to charge weave to just face slamming shield and revenge and it tipped me over the 2 minute points, let me redo banner to give more time and get to a second last stand
sick sentinel
i'd say i've been playing better on average recently though, i timed 15 and 17, i had 1 or 2 banners that lasted to the next banner CD
dire tulip
it was just the tiny little bit to get me over the barrier
cobalt seal
honestly, I have no idea. I went from trying to charge weave to just face slammi...
what is hard about
stepping back for 0.5s
and charge
dire tulip
it always felt longer than .5 walking back to charge
it is the distance I struggle with
sick sentinel
its not elegant but you could i intervene someone first
whos farther away, wasts a reveng proc
sick sentinel
wait for mob to cast something, even if its some stand still swing my axe in front of me clearly melee abilty, your gunna charge in, and have SB up for the attack anyway
dire tulip
I am not saying reprisal isn't worse. It is easily better. I just do better with the wall
sick sentinel
my tw is 235 shoulders, it's been that long
dire tulip
who has tried the wall recently?
weary vault
Fusion hacker decent for prot or no?
mortal brook
good dam on lower target count
cobalt seal
who has tried the wall recently?
you literally using a lego for SS rage
chrome falcon
i can assure you
you're actually doing better with even minimal reprisal usage
charging between packs and IV on cooldown
which literally anyone can do
is better than the wall
if you're doing low keys you can do it without a legendary
but once you hit ~20+ you're just going to die constantly to missing SB uptime
sick sentinel
hit exalted with the enlightened, probaly wont buy the 50k augment tho
plain flower
should i use ticking sack of terror or codex for lower kara? If it's over 20+
cobalt seal
never codex lol
cobalt seal
your point?
cobalt seal
then dont meme
shut summit
sick sentinel
only very serious warrior tank discussion here boys... mitigation, armor dodge and rrduction
undone verge
Wall is easier for rage generation but reprisal is better cause of SB
chrome falcon
it's incredibly irrelevant
but yes those are good gloves
all stats are basically the same
except haste which is a bit better
chrome falcon
uh no i can't really explain why stats are irreelvant
they just don't matter
play is 100x more important
just focus on ilvl
haste is a bit better than the rest
mastery is a bit worse than the rest
but ilvl is king always
plain flower
how hard is it for a warrior to get into a 25+ key
drifting fable
probably less about being a warrior and more about your io
south zealot
probably less about being a warrior and more about your io
partially true
monk pally and dk will have easier time
but its not that hard
just have to keep applying
push weeks have passed and people have big io
dire tulip
How good is soleahs? I have old warrior soul and I got a 288 soleahs just now
south zealot
its the best trinket u can get from m+
SoD trinkets are better but so leahs is fine
dire tulip
I don't think I am getting any mythic tokens or even a full heroic one so I think I am stuck with it than. I liked stun grenade for damage, but it seems better for both
south zealot
ows is too much haste to lose
doesnt gain much value from ilvl
so it being a lower ilvl is fine compared to other trinkets
dawn canyon
how hard is it for a warrior to get into a 25+ key
If it's your key it's very easy
neat blaze
Good morning warrior friends! is the conduit sphere of condensed anima valid? I am undecided because in some keys over 30 minutes it gives me a decent admonition of healing. Range keys 22-25
strong forum
It's alright
uncut dome
Tried tanking a 23 Yesterday, shit hits pretty hard all of a sudden ๐
cobalt seal
Tried tanking a 23 Yesterday, shit hits pretty hard all of a sudden ๐
Doubt
stuff dont "hit hard" all of a sudden. Unless you never did a 23 in your life
or a 22
uncut dome
stuff dont "hit hard" all of a sudden. Unless you never did a 23 in your life
I went from 20 to 23 ๐ but it was interresting to try tbh
cobalt seal
did you die?
uncut dome
A few times, one i just felt like i flippes over with sb up - so i must have mismanaged IP i guess
robust quiver
because of the exponential key scaling every key level after a certain point becomes much more difficult than the one before
What happens on lowish keys (<25) it's probably that you need to start paying attention to shit you ignored up until that key level (like shield block uptime for example, or some trash ability)
so usually once you "learn" what to lookout for and how to handle it, it becomes easier again
until the next threshold xd
20 to 23 is a big jump, but once you'll get the hang of it 23s will feel to you the same way that 20s felt until now
at least that was my experience
cobalt seal
A few times, one i just felt like i flippes over with sb up - so i must have mis...
Log find the mistakes - Fix them for next key
uncut dome
Log find the mistakes - Fix them for next key
Yeah thats also mu plan, i am anoyed i didnt log the 23 run ๐
shrewd steeple
hey guys i do have some serious trouble on 25 or higher with my prot. especially in this affix. If i get to many casts i sometime dropp in a oneshot. i started filming my runs to see if SB or IP or whatever is not up but i am struggeling to find the right answer.... Any advanced advices? for example Gambit first big pull is a nightmare
uncut dome
at least that was my experience
Awesome reply and input! Thanks brother
uncut dome
hey guys i do have some serious trouble on 25 or higher with my prot. especially...
As they told me, do you log :D?
cobalt seal
hey guys i do have some serious trouble on 25 or higher with my prot. especially...
warrior dying to 1-shots
scream misplay
shrewd steeple
its like 2 or 3 waterbolts in like .5s each with 80k....
cobalt seal
logs?
shrewd steeple
i was already wondering to exchange mechagon rings to get more vers
shrewd steeple
i will run some logs tonight and upload. (so far i just have videos of the run)
cobalt seal
i will run some logs tonight and upload. (so far i just have videos of the run)
just post the videos instead
strong forum
That's just group coordination failing
Or doing bad pulls
If sense can do 31s with 7% vers
I'm certain you'll be fine in 25s
shrewd steeple
okay thanks i will upload some videos and share the link here ready to get destroyed by your comments and tipps ๐
uncut dome
What peogram do you recomend for filmning videos? >.>
strong forum
But yeah it doesn't take a wizard to know that being hit by 3 uninterrupted casts isn't good for your health
broken crater
What peogram do you recomend for filmning videos? >.>
Anything works. Obs, twitch, streamlabs.
uncut dome
Thanks!
oblique remnant
a bit confuised on ows havent use it yet, does it reset when you leave combat
lofty widget
you have 15 seconds out of combat where you keep the buff
mighty valley
another reason to keep pulls going
robust quiver
But yeah it doesn't take a wizard to know that being hit by 3 uninterrupted cast...
also, the murloc enrage can be stunned, and that is a lot of damage mitigated
robust quiver
What happens on lowish keys (<25) it's probably that you need to start paying at...
btw this is exactly what i was referring to, speaking of waterbolts xd
first time i started pushing gambit i too was surprised by them at one point and went "huh so we need to start kicking those i suppose"
sick sentinel
What peogram do you recomend for filmning videos? >.>
if you are talking abkut gameplay only, outplayed, its free and automatic after bit of tinkering
sick sentinel
long as i remember to tell outplayed to start up, and leave it alone, and i have space on my hard drives, it just records the entire play session in 1080p 60fps with sound and apm overlay
cinder nova
also, the murloc enrage can be stunned, and that is a lot of damage mitigated
Just soothe
robust quiver
Just soothe
but it's an aoe enrage, isn't it?:D
lofty widget
soothe the guy who casts it
cinder nova
That's not an enrage
robust quiver
the cry of murglglglgl
lofty widget
it's an aura
sick sentinel
which murloc there does the enrage, i know you gotta kill the white murloc first
lofty widget
aroiund that guy
cinder nova
Yeah just soothe the caster
robust quiver
cool, thanks!
sick sentinel
i kinda wish in dragon flight that there is like a superior berserker rage, and so what it does is allows you upon using it removes enrage effects on enemies
cinder nova
Even on non scalebinder packs you want to save stuns for control and giving your healer more breathing room. On line 23s and below is less important, but 24, 25 and on its more evident you want to be judicious about how you use CC
Neat trick for Grimrail this week in the last pack
You can pull the first shaman and single it out, then pull the rest of the car after. Just make sure your hunter tranqs the shield buff since you can't kick the shaman with inspiration.
robust quiver
Even on non scalebinder packs you want to save stuns for control and giving your...
yeah, we stopped pushing last season while still on 24s and working on some 25s (and i was playing dk), so we didn't really notice it, guess was too low of a key level for it to matter
oblique garnet
Or you know move when the cast goes off๐ค
sick sentinel
i just hold w and dont stand in obvious fires
oblique garnet
The flametongue is a circle on the ground
cinder nova
We're not talking about that
robust quiver
he's talking about the last pack
sick sentinel
this has put and 18 upper in my bags
robust quiver
before the last boss
oblique garnet
Oh right
cinder nova
Late living up to his name again
oblique garnet
Ive already been farming av for 8 hours
robust quiver
I got up 2hrs ago at 4am
cinder nova
Imagine playing classic
robust quiver
btw what's the highest key level you feel comfortable playing seismic reverberations? Since we stopped pushing for the moment and we are just doing low keys it's starting to become a bit boring
cinder nova
Idk, seems like a waste of time. All the raids, tiers, and content will be instantly cleared probably in the first days. It's so well trod by this point
oblique garnet
Yeah probably
oblique garnet
Who cares about meta
cinder nova
3s is gonna be all the same
PvP is WOTLK was a lot more rock paper scissors than it is now imo
cinder nova
True. S4 is DF waiting room plus
oblique garnet
Its real boring logging on retail and seeing maybe 5 friends online
Im worried about DF if it releases this year
cinder nova
Why?
oblique garnet
No matter what they say id imagine its extremely rushed release
cinder nova
Consider the following:
All the development time is being put into classes instead of trying to make a borrowed power system that is both engaging, modular, and well age well through the xpack.
This removes a bunch of overhead time and stress because the system needs to be relatively class agnostic, making it annoying to implement and use.
We also got an entire new studio working exclusively on DF where we didn't before.
It's probably rushed but less than you think.
oblique garnet
New studio working on a game they havent worked on before is also a questionable move
cinder nova
They seem to be doing well so far
oblique garnet
Given how ๐ the engine is already
robust quiver
New studio working on a game they havent worked on before is also a questionable...
that is more of a long run move
we'll see the benefits in 6 to 9 months
robust quiver
ye but i do agree that having less borrowed power systems to balance frees design time for content
i'm pretty optimistic
i do also think that the pressure is on them to perform with dragonflight
cobalt seal
not really
casuals (those who pay the game) will love Dragonflying
and system is nearly complete
robust quiver
casuals are also influenced a lot by "wow influencers"
which spit random shit based on reddit thread most often than not xd
robust quiver
depending on the point of view i'm also a casual
and tbh, i enjoyed shadowlands (while ofc i would have loved additional content)
cobalt seal
SL was a good casual expansion
cov are good stuff for casuals to collect
ZM was a good zone for spending time in there for casuals also
oblique garnet
SL was awful from a hardcore perspective
Alt grinds bad, legendary gold sinks bad, covenant grinds etc
Korthia
oblique garnet
Ye ofc not
oblique garnet
I just want to be able to grind without timegating
Like i unironically enjoyed farming islands
For prog
Not for fun
robust quiver
the problem with no timegating is people feel forced to minmax to the extreme even when idk, doing LFR
cobalt seal
they dont
robust quiver
i actually understand why they timegate
cobalt seal
most people didn't farm IE's
robust quiver
i had people in my guild (a super casual AOTC guild) say things that shook me
they spoke like they had to clear mythic day 1, or they had to be at the same gear level of echo
and it's like, not even min-maxing because they want to invest in becoming better, most of them are clickers
with cast-sequence macros that do their rotation for them
but god forbids they didn't had access to 4pc day 1
idk, i might be biased
robust quiver
and tbh, sometimes i had the same impression in some discussion that happened in this discord
like codex for example, while it's true that is bad, how many people just relay the information because it's the status quo
and death to humanity if it is to discuss it, or to understand "why" it is bad XD
oblique garnet
I mean sure but is it necessary to know why it is bad?
robust quiver
understanding why it's bad helps you understand if you need to pursue the bis or not
and alliviated the frustation of "i did x runs and i still don't have it"
while maybe it doesn't really matter on the content you do
e.g., "oh man i have to farm choregast for renown" while the content you do is zereth mortis world quests
like you are either min-maxed or you can't login
oblique garnet
Most of the time people come in for a quick question and once they get yes or no answer they just hop off
oblique garnet
The issue is that they then go to streamer x chat to say โoh but this discord said that its badโ
robust quiver
ye, that is one of the problem of not critically thinking for yourself
i mean shared knowledge is invaluable, but only when properly assessed and integrated into your own
otherwise it becomes faith
xd
oblique garnet
You severely overestimate how many people actually think for themselves 
robust quiver
i do research on educational methods, believe me, i've seen things
oblique garnet
Half the people probably have never even read their spells or talents but just quickly took them from w/e is wowhead guide etc
robust quiver
i know it's a widespread problem in and (most of all) outside of wow, and i guess it's the reason i give it more weight than i should
it's one other slice of life in which i'd like people to start thinking for themselves, and use the sharing of knowledge as an empowerment tool
dawn canyon
You severely overestimate how many people actually think for themselves <a:keksq...
Fury chat personified
oblique garnet
Hell i bet most people dont even know that leap resets taunt cd
oblique garnet
Sadly i also know for a fact that one of the highest rio warriors doesnt know it
robust quiver
xd
sick sentinel
If you told him, he would know.
oblique garnet
If you told him, he would know.
If he bothered to read his abilities he also would know
sick sentinel
Wow, that's a lot of words.
oblique garnet
I mean if he can read my message he can also read the spell tooltip
cinder nova
Yike
sweet girder
yo anyone has the SL formula for block value?
rigid schooner
so i have tier 304 gauntlets that i use for prot spec if i get the upper hands sould i use those instead just for the statwise?
lofty widget
yea
just dont lose 4pc
and asuming the upper hands are 304 as well
not worth dropping ilvl for slightly better stats
sick sentinel
should try to run this 18 for a vault, 7/8, but i'd need 2 15 and ups for a second 304
robust quiver
yo anyone has the SL formula for block value?
should be this one:
Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)
with K being a variable that changes depending on the content/difficulty
sweet girder
Just trying to see the line from blue post
holy shield blocking and overall block value will now scale with armor
etc
"same with warriors" etc.
sick sentinel
great, so now ppal gets armor scaling for their automatically block spells ... wonderfull..lol
sick sentinel
sure, but it just makes paladin even more insane vs magic dmg
robust quiver
"same with warriors" etc.
i think they ment that they are changin how block damage reduction is calculated, and it will now scaled with armor, both for paladins and warriors
sick sentinel
so, after you kill curator, what is best play for skipping which mobs andwhatever
robust quiver
should be this one:
Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)
with K...
this should be the formula for SL
sweet girder
ye
sick sentinel
you go like to the left under bats shooting green, and threis a a fire floor with a guy there, and so i just take him and face him in the tunnel figure better than eating the ground fire
and then later there is a ramp, rogue wanted to skip there was going fine it got pulled though
im seeing this pop up in character no addons
robust quiver
as you can see it says "(Against an evenly matched enemy)"
i don't have the K values for m+ and raids, maybe someone here knows them
if you wanto to know precisely, otherwise that should be an ok approximation
dawn canyon
Fwiw the dk discord has a spreadsheet on mitigation modeling
Probably includes the k value
sick sentinel
dk doesn't use shield, but, its worth a look
dawn canyon
The Public Copy of the BDK mitigation model is updated for 9.2:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C_mrSL158JjpcyUCyS9BpllogjkYTTZmGyg0IYCBtI4/edit?usp=sharing
Might be worth soemthing
robust quiver
dk doesn't use shield, but, its worth a look
the K constant is shared amongst different mitigation models
(like stagger for example)
robust quiver
K should be used in armor calculations too, so it probably can be extracted from the spreadsheet
sick sentinel
the short of it is, the monsters attack power checks against your block power (if you blocked or crit blocked) and then it deals remaining to you
thats the really 4 head way of saying it
robust quiver
not really
if you want to put it simply:
the mob rolls an attack against your mitigation model (parry, dodge, block, etc are ordered in a deterministic manner)
if the attack rolls to be blocked, then the damage mitigation takes place, with the number determined by the above mentioned formula
for example i think parry takes priority over block, or you could not parry with shield block up (if that's the case, then block has priority over parry instead)
but these are memories from years ago, when i went deep into the combat system. For what is worth it could have changed in one of the previous expansions
so take it with a grain of salt
dawn canyon
Hope the sheet helped 
robust quiver
Hope the sheet helped <:peepo:938582175522107442>
thanks btw โค๏ธ
smoky sparrow
mad i took shock bot first cus "it should go to dps first"
doesnt it scale with haste
dawn canyon
It does
smoky sparrow
welp, just another azralon encounter
try to pull the pack through the wall on twins and the other azralon hunter pre fires onto the zulg pack
so fucking braindead
onyx vessel
smoky sparrow
idk why people complain the most in junkyard, literally the only thing u can do to fuck up the key is to talk
elem shamans dont even stack haste, so freaking pathetic
shell fossil
Elem shams "kind of" stack haste if they use DRE build.
oblique garnet
Dont you get like full shock bots on everyone in the first pull๐ค
smoky sparrow
so we cleared junker, hugged the wall outside couple to pull out the small blaster pack
then the other azralon hunter decided to pull the pack early and tagged the zulg pack
frigid gulch
@smoky sparrow are you actually Bill gates?
smoky sparrow
yes ๐
frigid gulch
Thatโs litty fr no cap skeet skeet
smoky sparrow
email me at billgates.com for free money
urban bane
Yeah when DPS complain to me about getting shockbot first I just explain Iโm better value cause they will probably die to something stupid 
Naturally they are very understanding and concede my rational superiority
robust quiver
holy moly the rage
oblique garnet
Yeah when DPS complain to me about getting shockbot first I just explain Iโm bet...
But the first pull straight up clears 4 shockbots if you go left๐ค
smoky sparrow
like literally we can just reset and grab a fresh set of bots at couple and just keep rolling
but nope this guy had to ask WHY IS TANK GETTING SHOCK BOTS
urban bane
Yes! I go left and people still whine if I grab the one you can leap up to
urban bane
pugs can get really antsy about the weirdest shit
oblique garnet
Yes! I go left and people still whine if I grab the one you can leap up to
I just grab the bot with the welding at the end
With the 2 coilbearers
smoky sparrow
its such a neglible difference people who complain about it should be banned from teh game
like junkyard has an extra 20 min for fuck ups and people still grief the key
sour junco
Is codex worth going for and if not, how come?
lofty widget
nope, we dont take enough dmg for it to do good dmg +the mainstat loss is very bad
queen hemlock
tesv gambit final boss
before the final boss there are 3 caster packs
how do prot warrior deal with pulling 2 packs at once
i seem to just melt everytime 2 bolts fly off
sr on cd since one of the bugger is a natherzim
strong forum
Is codex worth going for and if not, how come?
I wrote a pin about it
But tldr is what chimmi said, we don't take enough dmg to get any value out of it + mainstat loss is absolutely detrimental
sour junco
Meanwhile there is me pingponging hp
And ya'll say we dont take enough damage
๐
Makes me feel bad
sour junco
Idk some pulls I feel like I take absolutely no damage and others I get absolutely destroyed to the point where I feel like I'm in dps spec
sick sentinel
curator mopped the floor with my group
lofty widget
Idk some pulls I feel like I take absolutely no damage and others I get absolute...
log your runs and post them in here it's the best way to improve
sick sentinel
was an 18, did the double pull on the electric robot guys died to that, and then got to curator, died, died again, quit
sonic crag
What's you're Shield Block uptime? Banner uptime? Are you running Reprisal and weaving charge and intercept on CD?
Everyone likes Spell Reflect cheese but sometimes the 20% magic DR is the play if you're group is missing interrupts
sick sentinel
it seems like it was positioning problem, not having him start close enough to one end of hallway, but im not sure
and adds, i was attacking adds in weird spot first wipe, healer said somthing about adds
sonic crag
I'm not a good log analyst, but if you want direct and specific feedback the best way is to post a log
sick sentinel
was an 18, so its hold W just gotta be strategy that limited us from doing maximum efficiency
dawn canyon
What's you're Shield Block uptime? Banner uptime? Are you running Reprisal and w...
I think Yogi is past that at this point
It's been done enough times and it's just not clicking 
sick sentinel
in my mind, these are the 2 prime spots start combat when it is closest to pink ring
dawn canyon
Blocked hit any% 
sick sentinel
am i best off to wait until boss is in one of these positions to start combat
sick sentinel
don't pull those 2 red boys?
sick sentinel
hmm well i double pulled them
im trying to get more used to idea of doing a larger pull
cinder nova
Not a worthwhile pull at all
dawn canyon
Very sketchy pull
sick sentinel
i really wish it recorded the gambit key i did cuz it was a 15 i think and 2 chested, so i think that is good
cinder nova
I can send you the route Thwump and I use in UK
But that's after I land
On a plane at the moment
sick sentinel
I do probably have logs, if those are recording properly
i just, don't upload them, because it quickly becomes, too real
hmm, i did that pull in a 13 2 days ago and we lived it no problem, 2 chest https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-4/6507916-13-return-to-karazhan-upper
topaz field
u skip these two yogi
all the ez count is after mana boss
press w dungeon
skip these 2 mobs and skip after first boss
sick sentinel
up to a 15 i just bulldozer upper
topaz field
u can also get 2 infiltrators after first boss but thats scatchy in pug
u dont want to play that fire guy
after first boss
and u skip before the chess event
basically 2 skips in the dung
because these mobs are horrible for pug and a guaranteed wipe
sick sentinel
its the bat that does the green crap eh? i saw the other guy on there has an easy patrol to goaround
topaz field
ye u play these little guys after 3rd boss until u reach round 90 %
not exactly sure
and then everyone invis
limpid pawn
hey just curiously - you guys holding fleshcraft to use as a defensive right?
jagged pier
no
cinder storm
yogi, curator hits hard this week with grievous, gotta put marks on everyone and force them to walk down a line down the hallway
jagged pier
i dont press it
cinder storm
just tap it
limpid pawn
what
thorny stone
hey just curiously - you guys holding fleshcraft to use as a defensive right?
tap for mastery buff, maybe ill hard cast it on medivh, and save it for maiden
cinder storm
or do the full cast like shield maiden if you time it right
limpid pawn
how long does the mastery buff last
as long as the shield is active?
or for a set duration
thorny stone
2 mins
sick sentinel
ultimate form is while channeling and 2s after completion
for the CC immunity part
mellow bridge
on maiden you can just taunt her when the cast is almost through
and she will hit you out of the cc
no need to do fleshcraft stuff
sick sentinel
have scars, nothing to worry about
low timber
I just got back to keys, I see all the prots are going necro, is there a big benefit to it or should I just stay kyrian if im already there?
mighty valley
Necro best by far if you play right
cinder storm
Kyrian is chill, Necro is cracked
strong forum
It's a big St dmg gain, survival gain through more rage, more Str, more mastery with massive uptime on banner through the glory legendary
mighty valley
Itโs insanely fast to get the renown now, not much reason not to switch
strong forum
Well necro is harder to play
low timber
how is it harder?
strong forum
Kyrian is just send and forget
Necro requires you to play optimally and maximise rage gain to keep up Banner for as close to 100% as possible
low timber
Ill do my best to learn it, I like being cracked
limpid pawn
kyrian = 1 minute cd, banner = 2 minute cd
you can literally spear every pack and get most of the value out of spear
but the banner, if you let it fall off, you could have done better to squeeze out more value. really good players can keep the banner up indefinitely
so it has a much higher skill ceiling, you can have absolutely juiced stats for like the vast majority of the dungeon
dawn canyon
Banner is also just way tankier
chrome falcon
but the banner, if you let it fall off, you could have done better to squeeze ou...
you don't have to be "really good" to keep up banner
sour junco
but the banner, if you let it fall off, you could have done better to squeeze ou...
I cant really understand this
There are dungeons with downtime that just doesn't allow that
Take last boss mechagon 7 second stun between intermission
Or RP in general
High uptime sure, but indefinitely? Unlikely in every scenario
sick sentinel
i think it would be fantastic if arcane mage had mass invisibility
jagged pier
High uptime sure, but indefinitely? Unlikely in every scenario
u can have enough of a buffer to keep it up in those cases but we dont really care if we have banner during that or not as long as its off cd for when that stuff ends its fine
robust quiver
Take last boss mechagon 7 second stun between intermission
you can keep a 20+seconds banner up during the first phase, and come out of it with 10ish seconds when combat starts on p2
with banner cd almost up again
as long as you are in combat you can keep an healthy buffer on banner duration to compensate for small downtimes (like what you mentioned)
and in general you can reduce downtime between packs by chain pulling
undone verge
Take last boss mechagon 7 second stun between intermission
usually banner should be like 20 seconds remaining going into the 7 second stun intermission
strong forum
in pretty much every key its possible to have 95%+ uptime on banner during combat
sonic crag
Let's see who can keep banner up during the rp fall in Lower lol
strong forum
You mean upper
And by that point you'll have banner CD ready again so the point still stands
You'll have banner ready for every combat situation in Upper outside of last boss 2nd platform
That one is a bit tricky
sick sentinel
still getting stomped by curator
sick sentinel
warlock this time says "you move the boss too much" and someone else says "kill the adds"
strong forum
Well yeah you should only move the boss when he throws his 1shot puddles
Rest of the time you just kill adds until dmg amp phase
sick sentinel
its a 16 now, but yeah lol so maybe not a 1 shot
mellow bridge
Take last boss mechagon 7 second stun between intermission
i keep up banner in that stun
and continue with it into next phase
and then recast it at some point when it's rdy again
ah someone already said that
shouldve finished reading 
pallid quiver
it generally goes down during workshop after first boss and making it to the first pack afterwards on my end, but again, banner cd is finished by that point so you can do thus magical thing called pressing the button again. It's 100% possible in every dungeon this season to have banner up in all combat situations except around last boss of Upper
its a little hard to build enough duration sometimes before he hops platforms and all due to the RP before and how damn long those transitions are
but at least we have spell reflect for that guy
mellow bridge
and in high keys youre probably doing afk strat in p2 anyways
so not having banner doesnt matter
sour junco
Even during banner and avatar I run out of rage to spent on keeping my banner up
Not sure what you guys do
You only have thunderclap and shield slam no?
And ravager but that's only limited time
rose wagon
hi, is that mecha shield viable ? or is it bad against other shields with same ilvl ?
cobalt seal
Even during banner and avatar I run out of rage to spent on keeping my banner up
are you using your procs on SS?
sour junco
SS?
cobalt seal
Shield Slam
urban portal
revenge spam is what you are supposed to do
but you prio shield slam just to keep banner up
sour junco
See that may be where im goofing up
Also what talent do we pick in last row
Is it the shield slam one?
cobalt seal
then start logging
urban portal
AM
well
we figured out the problem
your rotations are incorrect and so are your talents
sour junco
Very likely me just ignoring shield slam procs and going apeshit on revenge
cobalt seal
well dont do that
cinder nova
You need to dump with IP too
You don't have enough GCDs to maintain banner with only rev
20 rage is 1s and most people have a GCD between 1.2 and 1.1
Not to mention GCDs not used on spending is gonna also set you back
chrome falcon
But it's not like I get that many
SS has like 40% chance to proc every 1.5 seconds
chrome falcon
you should be casting SS as much/very slightly less than revenge
chrome falcon
yeah easily
sour junco
Ive done them all and i thought paly was but prot made me change that
cobalt seal
pally is the easiest tank to play at a basic level
No
urban portal
you think bear is easier?
dawn canyon
I mean ppal requires you to identify that ur supposed to spam AD proactively
cobalt seal
yes
dawn canyon
Basics = no tier
So BDK requires proper RP gen and not inting my over-marrowing
Also there's people who just dont death strike
cobalt seal
They didnt need defensives, cool man
dawn canyon
It just means BDK is fucking broken doesnt say anything abt difficulty
cinder storm
I swap to bdk and had no need to use defensives on CDs until I got to 27s-28s
Bdk is omega forgiving
cobalt seal
I swap to bdk and had no need to use defensives on CDs until I got to 27s-28s
that's not a reason to not use them
cobalt seal
you legit just spam heart strike
dawn canyon
Tier trivialized it
cinder storm
It's not, I started playing dk this season, but under 25s everything was smooth sailing
south zealot
as a class in general its probably the hardest but most rewarding tank
cinder storm
First time playing dk as well
south zealot
but with tier and leggo they are approaching guardian levels
frigid gulch
Guys the tactic is kill the mobs and donโt be killed by them. Easy if you think about it
south zealot
tru
dawn canyon
And BDK does that
south zealot
greg has it figured out
cinder storm
We like to think they are to feel better with ourselves
south zealot
most complicated is probably spriest or arcane
but nothing is like genuinely difficult to play
tardy lantern
there is difference between complicated and easy/hard to execute.
fire mage for example is easy on paper, but hard to play
south zealot
i disagree
dawn canyon
Fire mage isnt very tricky
south zealot
i think fire mage is easy as fuck
dawn canyon
Just spend a few hours on dummy
south zealot
maybe i just 'get' the spec tho
dawn canyon
Learn ur bust and ur done
cinder storm
Some specs click better with some than others
dawn canyon
Fire felt very intuitive
south zealot
im so ass at frost dk
kekw
ye but like
i just lose breath for 0 reason
like i just dont press my buttons enough
dawn canyon
๐
south zealot
gotttem
dawn canyon
Discord been shite all day
cinder storm
It's been like that without Yogi breaking into his 20s or apb
cinder storm
Other tank discords have the "should I wear codex or nah" on a daily basis
We get those every other day at least
balmy canyon
Is there a weakaura or timer for the reflectable ability for the ghost at the start of upper and lower? Right now I just kinda guess
cinder storm
@balmy canyon invis it always
dawn canyon
Other tank discords have the "should I wear codex or nah" on a daily basis
More of people being weird and feral druids convincing themselves it's the spec that sucks and not them
cinder storm
I invited a feral to an upper 28 because I saw him pumping on a few of his 25s 26s, since it's upper I was sure he'd help kill bosses and elites faster due to his apparent high ST, needless to say, he died on curators orbs and ended up 11k overall dps
I believe they are fine on 25s-26s with a meta group, but higher than that, they are Sussy
dawn canyon
This guy was talking about how watching psybear (feral streamer) isnt good until u grasp the "advanced concepts" of the class
south zealot
well feral does kinda suck
south zealot
but ive noticed a good feral does good dps
dawn canyon
Never invite dps druid
south zealot
not dogshit dps
dawn canyon
They all suck
south zealot
boomkins i feel are statistically the worst players
dawn canyon
There is like 4 good ferals
south zealot
in wow
cobalt seal
This guy was talking about how watching psybear (feral streamer) isnt good until...
you shouldn't watch him at all
for a reason devs dont go to feral discord xD
dawn canyon
I recommend him to the guy because he's struggling
I personally dont watch psy
I am a DrJay/gingi enjoyer
cobalt seal
you dont watch nome?
dawn canyon
No
dawn canyon
Why would i watch 5 tank keys if i could watch real keys
cinder storm
I thought about giving that feral a chance since I don't really mind playing with non metas, but they simply suck, it's mostly the spec not the player
dawn canyon
32 train or like 26s idk man
I watched some of the charity thing
Shitshow
Not even funny sadly
cobalt seal
Why would i watch 5 tank keys if i could watch real keys
wdym real keys
@oblique garnet can you ban phil?
ty
cinder storm
Charity was just a bunch of players circle jerking each others
dawn canyon
Cope seethe mald dilate
sick sentinel
whats the cool down on frost bite on shade
the orange circle (not wreath) doesn't always line up it seems
cinder nova
Watching streamers
cinder storm
It's random iirc, I've had casts back to back
Sometimes it starts casting missiles and after 0.5 where the cast shows it swaps to another cast
sick sentinel
i watch the obvious streamers, tgp and some other personal ones and thats really about it
warm plinth
Sometimes it starts casting missiles and after 0.5 where the cast shows it swaps...
I believe that's a side effect of having either numbing poison or curse of tongues on the boss. He'll just randomly cancel casts at the last second
sick sentinel
a good rogue is so hard to find
undone verge
is there a way to see healing taken via logs, like the % per person
sick sentinel
Like % of total healing done they used up or like
oblique garnet
<@143839248422928384> can you ban phil?
?
sick sentinel
50% of this persons healing taken was from the priest
rotund sluice
undone verge
50% of this persons healing taken was from the priest
Yeah like how much healing are they doing to themselves in terms of % healing taken
Like details
sick sentinel
uhhh i feel there has to be here
that tells you breakdown of persons healing done that was to themselves
which is sorta a way to see it, still fucking with it to find direct healing taken overall
warm plinth
Yeah like how much healing are they doing to themselves in terms of % healing ta...
Go to healing at the top, then change the "All friendlies" to the person whose breakdown you want to see
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xCzcagpNKdQkAbVP#fight=3&type=healing&target=134 this is the healing that my DK received in this dungeon, for example
warm plinth
You're still loved Tribute
undone verge
Go to healing at the top, then change the "All friendlies" to the person whose b...
Thanks
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
undone verge
Good morning as I have to be awake is 5 hours 
ionic fern
Are you still playing WoW? ๐ค
warm plinth
Are you referring to me or Sir Coconut
blazing condor
m
echo egret
Is it me or pugging at the 20-22 range has become horrible ? People with 2500 io knowing nothing about the trash kicks, stuns, or encounter specificsโฆ
jolly granite
100%
Had people who where pulling extra packs for me when I had the cds for and pulling adds on moroes so that we had 3 at once and wiped. Before they dindnt kick and died quite often. stuff I would expect in a 15โฆ
I think in 20s this season you got the players who played 17 last season. These ones are used to get through a dungeon without doing mechanics.
warm plinth
I did an 18 the other day (friends and I signed up for a random's key) and it was a destro lock that somehow had an 18 key but he did literally like 7k overall
Looked at log afterward and this dude had like 30 casts per minute
still timed but it was like how tf did you get an 18 dude
warm plinth
Yeah...lol
dawn canyon
Probably a weekly no leaver enjoyer who got a junkyard
warm plinth
I actually can't remember what key we did with him at this point
it was a streets
I was the fury war
warm plinth
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ionic fern
Just depleted a +15 Lower Kara yesterday because people kept dying to Horsedude.
warm plinth
I love Attumen with melee pugs because you find out who never learned to always stand behind the boss when they get 1-shot by mortal strike
jagged pier
dodging is hard okay @ionic fern
warm plinth
I interpreted LK as lich king for a sec and I was like what is he talking about
jagged pier
well if ppl cant dodge horsey makes sense they nerf it then
ionic fern
Je, imagine DPS'ers actually having to do anything.
warm plinth
I do a lot as a DPS :pepehands
ionic fern
I swear..if i had 5 charges of Interrupts and ALL the mechanics were on the tank my key success % would go up by like 500%.
warm plinth
That's the fun part of playing ppal
ionic fern
warm plinth
YOu just do everything yourself
warm plinth
I just need it to not feel squishy past a certain point.
ionic fern
Don't put "Squishy" and "Paladin" in the same sentence.
Lincoln will butcher you.
What's the fastest way to lvl from ilvl 200 now? ๐
ionic fern
Great
.I'll do that.
Imagine thinking i can do content on a 200 ilvl tank.
I'll get declined from a +0.
strong forum
Log beta
ionic fern
No, i'm not leveling.
I'm just testing talents.
sly prism
trying to set up some custom sounds for WAs and apparently making a mess of it -- simply not working
is this right?
C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft_retail_\Interface < is the path
sly prism
tyty
dawn canyon
There we go
rigid schooner
any advice to not loose your fingers while trying to play prot warri in keys D:
i did a few yesterday and the amount of inputs is wild
ionic fern
If you don't enjoy the NL playstyle (or find it too fast) just swap over to NF/Kyrian.
There's no real other input to be provided.
strong forum
1 thing you could try would be re-doing your keybinds but other than that, people have suggested wrist exercises cuz it can absolutely cause physical strain to play pwar
oblique garnet
Hang in there ๐
rigid schooner
like i thought prot paladin was a fast rotation jeezus
thanks for the advice ill look into it 
jagged pier
prot paladin fast KEKW
rigid schooner
or well its way more inputs then what i do on other tanks KEKW
tbf its just SotR spam
warm plinth
@oblique garnet hi ily
oblique garnet
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warm plinth
How are you doing my friend
sick sentinel
i got tired of trying to run my upper key fail miserably on first boss each time
went from 18 to 14, tried the 14, something happened there too, i said nope fuck this i had enough, dropped that shit to a +2 bulldozer hold W.
and also, maybe there is a trick to running on the red carpet and not aggroin the mobs, tried it 4 times,failed 4 times to just "walk past" like the route i looked at online and you guys said
ionic fern
Ok.
sick sentinel
i was 7/8 on my box
so i needed one more
and then after wasting a bunch of gold on consumables, i said no more bullshit gettin jerked around
raven hatch
whats the deal with the legendary bug when swapping specs? If I change spec and gear sometimes my legendary doesn't work and I have to run out a dungeon and unequip/re-equip it?
sick sentinel
i thought i was failing keys because of consumables
ionic fern
I wouldn't put it past you.
sick sentinel
/s off
sick sentinel
i thought we both knew i was past that point
or i guess you didnt get memo that i can't figure out that consumables aren't going to fuck me over
thats wow 101, buff your self up as much as possible so you dont die as easily.
sick sentinel
a review by axman13 (years old)
ionic fern
I honestly can't tell anymore if you're trolling or not.
sick sentinel
its an old meme, i've been told not to post youtube links, so i don't as much any more
dot dot dot on youtube
no, and not a troll
i really did get tilted off the moon and dipped it from 13 to 2 just to get it out the way
dawn canyon
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sick sentinel
it WAS an 18, but i needed 1 more for the 3 reward option
ionic fern
You do you.
minor helm
Why not just do like a 15 gambit or something
