Lmao
#protection
mortal brook
i timed the 15 doing this build. which means it works.
no i dont know what a 'margarine for error' is
marsh plover
We plus 3 the key, tank must be good
tropic gorge
I timed it with 2k or higher rated dps that melted everything
I don't knock people for not running meta builds etc. Sometimes people can find something that works for them.
However, if a build is totally fubar I don't have any faith
marsh plover
I won't knock the build too hard in a 15, but not pressing revenge at all is very yikes.
marsh plover
8.5k at 296 ilvl is anemic
mortal brook
dense dungeon too
tropic gorge
Wonder if he was trolling
marsh plover
I don't think. They ran the same build in all their keys
tropic gorge
Lmao. People like that is why I decided I'd tank all my own dungeons. And why I'm here.
chrome falcon
I don’t understand people who don’t cast revenge
You just sit there on an empty global?
And press nothing or?
tropic gorge
Running my mage and seeing shit tank after shit tank annoyed me to no end.
marsh plover
It was really hard to stay in on some of the train car pulls because they literally produced zero aoe threat.
mortal brook
never gamble that there might be a bad tank in the run. guarantee it by being the bad tank 👍
jagged pier
they press IP
blazing condor
they probably just pool rage and use it on IP
sit there comfortably playing for survival
(but not getting any aggro)
tropic gorge
never gamble that there might be a bad tank in the run. guarantee it by being th...
If someone is gonna be a shitter it's gonna be me!
marsh plover
Exactly as Steve says. I'm just having some gavel fun this season
tropic gorge
Lmao
chrome falcon
Yeah just wild that you can think you’re doing the right thing while you press exactly zero GCDs for like
3 seconds
tropic gorge
I'd better be rage starved from a lucky parry streak to not have a button to hit for a second ot more
blazing condor
it depends on how you define "right"
many tanks just see "having aggro and not dying" as right
and if they dont get aggro initially then they just blame dps bursting too early
minor helm
blazing condor
theyre for opening doors
tropic gorge
Tab shield slam. Tab revenge. Shield slam. Tab repeat. Never lose threat. Hold everything
Thrown in tc from time to time and have fun
blazing condor
people out here tab targeting
tropic gorge
Lmao it's hard to click a health bar when there are so many in front of you and moving around
blazing condor
whatever works 
modern brook
Keke tab targeting revenge
sick sentinel
tab targeting TC
tropic gorge
Tonight I'm getting ksm. I'm at 1980 Rio as of last night. Took a pve break to do some pvp with a buddy, had a great time being a pwar asshole lmao.
I'd like to push into the 20s this season
Esp before prepatch hits
sick sentinel
if u can do ksm as pwar, no reason u can't do 20's
tropic gorge
I got it in s1 and s2 as prot. I prefer tanking m+ as to dps
sand kettle
when you extend you banner above 2 minutes, is it better to cast it again to get it on cd or just hang onto it?
lofty widget
depends, if youre gonna drop it because you cast it again you should hold it
blazing condor
re-casting it also grants the buff to your team mate
so if you wont lose it
its more value
lofty widget
yeah should aim to use it on cd, if it's possible to keep it up
keeping banner going>>>buffing teammates
sand kettle
probably hold it in m+ if you cant chain pull i imagine
like if theres some running or rp?
vestal moat
Also don’t we get a fresh Kevin for recasting though
lofty widget
like if theres some running or rp?
well yeah if you know RP is coming up and banner is gonna drop you dont re-cast
we also get kevin yeah, not as impactful in aoe tho
stable valve
re-casting it also grants the buff to your team mate
Plus that fat Kevin
sly prism
do we play leggos on feet and bracers? saw sense is playing belt but presume that's bc he's got 311 bracers
sick sentinel
reprisal feet
sly prism
yeye, then unity on bracers right?
lofty widget
generally neck/cloak/wrists are the best slots
sick sentinel
i have chest crafted for haste versa vs haste crit hands and also cuz set hands ass stats
chest was reccomended to craft, as was the style back then.
lofty widget
against melees/physical hits it's SB, for everything else it's IP
sick sentinel
VS caster, IP, spell reflect, covenant defensive (phial/necrobubble)
spell reflect can be huge, has potential to reflect a long DOT or curse that reduces dmg done and reduce armor, or just a big fire bolt.
sour junco
Is there a weakaura that warns me of an incoming reflectable cast?
because I tried one in pins but it didnt work for me
strong forum
Do you then use soly IP?
hell no
IP is finite, block is up for its full duration mitigating alot more damage
edgy grail
If im getting meleed I make sure to a a minimum have SB recharging
strong forum
you try to keep up SB as much as possible when fighting groups of mobs
when youre playing well you will have to pump alot of rage into IP wherether you want to or not
edgy grail
the rage you generate is kinda insane tbh
strong forum
its not a "1 or the other" type of deal
sour junco
And during the shrouded elite guy? He seems to be chunking me hard
strong forum
you use both
same thing?
she melees
and applies a debuff, which you healer has to dispell
edgy grail
you can reflect too yea?
strong forum
the vampiric claw you reflect
and youre omega gucci
pwar is the best tank against infiltrators
and Zulgamux you just get dispelled and reflect a shadow claw stack for free dmg
strong forum
yes
edgy grail
with a pwar
strong forum
vs a bdk infiltrators almost full heal each claw
lofty widget
heals for like 20 % on adk
sick sentinel
which ever the vampire dude is past mana wyrm in upper, we pulled it some how and it wiped us
strong forum
on pwar they heal maybe 20k-0k
sick sentinel
we had the giga hunter in our group though, ran baby key 13 upper
edgy grail
bit off topic but lots og beta invites went out today
uncut dome
Really stuck between jaithris vs rdm on ladt dinar 😂
drifting fable
well do you play fury or prot more
sick sentinel
11/15 so i think 2 dinars on tuesday
lofty widget
definitely rdm
uncut dome
well do you play fury or prot more
50/50 😂. So its like what is more efficient id you get my point
sick sentinel
your saying i shouldn't go for more bait items?
drifting fable
doing the same keys on both?
sick sentinel
already scars leash, kinda cursed lol
drifting fable
dont think anyone told you to get leash fam
sick sentinel
i never said anyone told me to
drifting fable
50/50 😂. So its like what is more efficient id you get my point
id ask fury how critical jaithys is to dps and then make a decision on that cuz honestly i dont know
uncut dome
Gonna go higher on fury tbh
drifting fable
probably jaithys id imagine but again id ask them how critical to good dps it is
sick sentinel
no, i thought this was a 3 week only thing, cuz 3 raids and i figured was only gunna get 1 dinar, why not choose troll item i want to try, i still have 2 more to make correct choices on
lusty tiger
What is the best way to deal with mythic xymox as prot war for when the rings get spammy
mellow bridge
Warr is the best against infiltrators until one claw does 80% of your life and you have to use every CD if you pull 2 or more at the same time 
chrome falcon
Just SW 🙂
chrome falcon
No talking about infiltrators
I haven’t had to do a xymox ring this whole patch
We just skip them all with our dps
Think I took the portal once the entire fight
sick sentinel
nf for prot has almost always been mostly bad
urban portal
its not bad
sick sentinel
2 better options rather kyrian way ahead until untiy
lusty tiger
I’m going to have to hop through rings I’m being told
So I figure I can’t be necro for that
mellow bridge
What is your cotank
Class I mean
@lusty tiger
If it's a bdk monk or pally, you shouldn't need to go through the rings
And instead can just use the teleports
Idk what cov bear plays in raids
mortal brook
venthyr
lusty tiger
He’s a vdh
lusty tiger
My rl is saying when the double circle comes, one going in, one going out, he wants me to take the glyph to the middle
So I just nf blink through?
lusty tiger
Idk if that works
tropic gorge
Wooo
flint plank
hey, new to prot here. whats the best strat for making use of Reprisal in raid ? intervening co tank would make u take part of his dmg no? would you have to intervene a dps and get back in spot to time for swap?
sorry if its a dumb question
zinc shale
I dont raid, but i can see reprisal be very finicky to use in raid
isnt the shieldwall leggo used in raid?
flint plank
wowhead said reprisal for both
lofty widget
you can intervene whatever tbh
just make sure you dont intervene tank before he takes a tank hit
mellow bridge
You can intervene your co tank after the taunt swap
You can charge before the swap
You can use long casts to move out and charge
You can leap behind the boss and charge and he won't move
You can charge adds sometimes
mellow bridge
isnt the shieldwall leggo used in raid?
No definitely reprisal on almost every fight
zinc shale
interesting, i can just imagine it being pretty weird to use in raid
flint plank
seems it from the outside
zinc shale
considering how it plays in m+
lofty widget
it's arguably easier to use in raid since you have periods where youre not tanking anything
drifting fable
depends on the fight but you generally have things to charge off with fated affixes too
zinc shale
True, but still i dont raid so Im just going on my imagination of it 😄
drifting fable
lords feels awful with reprisal, so it just depends
lofty widget
not really tbh
drifting fable
i hate it personally but thats probably the worst one for it
drifting fable
haha with the grip talent right?
zinc shale
yea
The other talent is just 15s less CD. So its still high as hell
i have no idea what im doing
zinc shale
good luck after 2.6 unless you have a premade
cinder nova
*i have no idea what im doing*
Wrong channel, but passing up a lot of huge talents tbh
Also drop BSV, you don't need it unless you're doing WF M prog or are doing massive keys
zinc shale
Just went with something, since its still lacking 10 talents in both 😛
And there are a lot of big talents, but you cant have them all, especially right now with 10 less talents ^^
sick sentinel
i havent checked out but i heard they added "sample talent builds" to DF beta
strong forum
dont rly need to try play around with prot tree
itll be largely reworked next and the following week after that
cinder nova
Probably. I'm just soloing dungeons for the novelty. No way they let it stay.
zinc shale
Like, oh, just for a start - AM
Without Avatar and with The Wall talent, AM isnt even something i would pick live right now
cinder nova
You're passing up AM for dogshit is what I'm saying.
Like, your current setup as an out of the box 60 is pretty piss.
zinc shale
Interesting bad take 😄
cinder nova
It's literally more damage and rage idk why you think AM is some kind of meme.
zinc shale
SS proccing every other GCD is horselengths better
As mentioned, without Avatar, it doesnt matter much
With avatar, i would completely agree with you
cinder nova
I mean you wanna kneecap yourself on the first tier go right away
You get resets instantly even with AM.
And hardspeccing spell block is omegalul
We take so little damage right now that it's basically a PVP take.
zinc shale
HOLY FUCK DUDE
I literally logged on the beta after recieving the invite
TO.DAY.
There are 10 talents lacking, building without them
cinder nova
I know. I'm telling you that you can have a better spec out of the box at 60
zinc shale
You cant have Avatar AND TR
strong forum
you can
cinder nova
zzz
strong forum
you can
cinder nova
You can
you specced into rage cap
for some weird reason
Like, I'm not sure why you think I'm just saying this to say it or?
strong forum
lemme throw a build together for m+
zinc shale
Like, I'm not sure why you think I'm just saying this to say it or?
Yes, I believe you've built a upcoming good build for level 70
cinder nova
Yes, I believe you've built a upcoming good build for level 70
For the nth time I've said that you can get better speccing at 60
spiral warren
stable valve
Dark iron dwarf or orc for raid parsing as pwar this season?
spiral warren
Forbidden tech
strong forum
Dark iron dwarf or orc for raid parsing as pwar this season?
normal dwarf
technically mechagnome is the strongest for parsing
but horde racials apart from tauren are all worse for parsing than mecha, human, void elf, draenei dwarf and gnome
but optimising racials for parsing a huge fucking meme, the max difference is between nightborne and mechagnome with 220 dps, but normal races besides those meme races are within margin of error of each other ( 30 dps )
cinder nova
Yeah, if you aren't parsing already a race change wont make a difference, mate.
So much of your parse is reliant on you, but even more on your kill time, raid performance, some fights a bit of RNG.
etc.
stable valve
Tragic
I’m rank 19, 19, and 5 rn
But tbh, the motes in particular kind of fuck it
And that’s as kul tiran which doesn’t add much bedsides a smidge of vers
sturdy sable
Tragic
I’m rank 19, 19, and 5 rn
Heroic or
cinder nova
I kid, though. Like Nom said, swapping racials is if you need something particular for a fight for WF M prog that makes it a world easier like dwarf purge.
Honestly dwarf purge is imba for keys too, it can be a real life-saver.
Being able to self-dispel as warrior can be a huge boon.
But on lower keys it really doesn't matter.
stable valve
Heroic or
Yeah just heroic. I play rdruid/balance for our casual mythic team right now
sturdy sable
If they did cross faction guilds id go back to dwarf 100%
stable valve
Getting beaten by a worgen
Damn that stings 😭
stable valve
Honestly dwarf purge is imba for keys too, it can be a real life-saver.
Yeah I’ve debated going dwarf. I chose kul tiran for the memes and named him chunkulus. Grandpa w/ a pot belly charging into battle cracks me up everytime
I’m only doing 22-24 keys rn on my war though so haven’t felt pushed to change yet (although there were some times in PF not getting dispelled and then necrotic weeks to stay blastin 😎 has almost pushed me to spend the gold)
I need a good name though :/
sick sentinel
panzermensch, german for tank man
sour junco
Casually wondering why the zulgamas add makes my hp ping pong
realize the healer doesnt dispell and I have 9 stacks
🤦♂️
sick sentinel
is it more for the direct damage that we are interupting shuriken on soleah fight? or for dot
cinder nova
The dot.
If shuriken gets off it's basically a wipe on Tyran
and MAYBE saveable in a low key with a ton of CDs
On fort
Just don't let them cast.
sick sentinel
healer has to heal through it if nobody kicks it
cinder nova
It's completely trivial.
You can also CC them before they tele out
And you as a warrior have tools to get both
Charge > Pummel the first one and if you see they're in range, Charge > Shock the second.
Or HL to it
Yeah it sucks and DPS should get their shit together
But it beats wipes
But the charge > pummel you should always try for.
Because it's a Reprisal proc
sick sentinel
I ran 14 GB, wiped, healer says " interupts" we died mostly in p2 it seemed tho
gunna have to to start marking the star i want to stand beside soon as boss p2 comes out, often we hit 4 cuz im not ready to move in time
cinder nova
Maybe just move proactively
You have literal lifetimes to get into position.
There are no kicks in P2
Hold on, I got something for you, yogi
cinder nova
tbh just wait for DPS/heals to find their spots
Then leap to the vacant one
It's not that complicated
lusty tiger
I charge solea for banner uptime
cinder nova
You're overthinking it my dude
lusty tiger
And take the star right before the thing goes off
sick sentinel
overthinking is such a broad stroke
cinder nova
That nook is far away from the rest of the arena and gives maximum time to react to the lines.
That is, the exploding lines/stars/things
And it gives you full sight of the entire arena, plus healer goes a shorter distance to deal with collapse
sick sentinel
im talking mostly about the stars that you have to make a ven diagram to shoot all 5 stars to enable attacks
cinder nova
Yeah, like I said, just let your healers/DPS sort themselves out while you pad banner
Then leap into the open spot
lusty tiger
im talking mostly about the stars that you have to make a ven diagram to shoot a...
Charge boss when phase starts, then heroic leap when there’s only one star left to cover
sick sentinel
exploding stars in 50 direction is no problem
cinder nova
I mean, you want to move as little as possible during an encounter to maximize DPS.
There's a reason so many M+ strats focus on "stand there and do damage"
There's no good reason not to tank her there tbh
sick sentinel
thats extremely fair for rogues when you invite them
cinder nova
For anyone.
sick sentinel
thats all they do is get behind boss and poke poke
cinder nova
Movement historically is a DPS loss even if you have boss uptime, mostly because people are fallable.
sick sentinel
yeah, then you have all kinds of stuff that forces, or compells you to move
i'm just trying to make a boss easier on my group so there is less ways we can fuck up and deplete
lusty tiger
It is almost impossible to miss the star breaks on soleah as a warrior
Unless you don’t notice you’re no longer in melee range of the boss
tropic gorge
I ran with my mage last week and the tank took the boss where your guys are saying and yeah, that works great
I do it now also
sick sentinel
i didn't catch why rogue didnt know, but the group said "invis next" on the slippery ramps, so i popped invis belt and walked past, group is ??? (rogue i think) and then they aggroed it some how, so, told them i have invis pots, we stealthed next and nothing to note really past that
sick sentinel
someone says stealth i go for invis blet or potion 90% of times
i've played a rogue 2004 - 2010, so i know how the stealth mechanic works
tropic gorge
Ah let the rogue shroud the group, save invis for something else imo
cinder storm
depending on packs
sick sentinel
thepack we pulled was 2 dudes
cinder storm
gambit entrance is one where shrouding is trolling with pugs
sick sentinel
they looked at me, but they did't aggro
reset immediately after looking at me and walk past belt invis, then someone attack/but pull
cinder storm
better use an invis pot there, unless you are a mage
sick sentinel
belt is good enough and doesn't incur the invis pot CD, so i normally attempt that one first
see if it screws up turns me gold, if so, wait it out real invis potion
cinder storm
its a pack by pack basis, I'd rather use an invis pot than waste time or deplete the key by pulling there
sick sentinel
just a 13, but i caught it and was aware
cinder storm
yeah, you can press W and pull those on anything under a 15
south zealot
gambit entrance is one where shrouding is trolling with pugs
why
sick sentinel
i see what he's saying
cinder storm
because someone will walk too close to adds or even the rogue will pull
its inevitable, with pugs
south zealot
you can say the same thinf about every skip
cinder storm
I specified that skip
lofty widget
that skip in gambit is really tight
cinder storm
yeah, you might not have done it
sick sentinel
GB is super hold W
cinder storm
I've seen a fair amount of people pull them
south zealot
im also not against pulling the guardians
sick sentinel
there is some scary caster guys castin water but you can interupt those, nothing else at all scary in that place
cinder storm
guardians are fine specially if you have two rdps, I dont mind them either
sick sentinel
inspired is so brain dead though, target the gold guy
lofty widget
just kinda slow compared to everything else you can pull
cinder storm
yeah, I've been running Tatt's route in gambit, its pretty solid
sick sentinel
i do the left shore route
lofty widget
dunno, i just do double/triple pulls until 50% or wahtever you need then skip to boss
cinder storm
I had a 27 upper deplete bc dps kept dying on chess and kept coming back like flies hitting a glass window
The easiest part of the whole dungeon, 10 deaths
sick sentinel
chess still scares me a bit
cinder storm
sick sentinel
im too chicken shit on that fight after i got blown up to it once or twice
lofty widget
i think my best upper on fort is still a 17
cinder storm
There's really no damage there, king will do AoE at start, once it puts the shield it aoes again, dont get close if you are melee, rest is avoid floor that shines
rinse and repeat
sick sentinel
the first time i really noticed it was like 10-13 key, and i seen the effect behind below me, it didn't click when he jumped everything lit up on screen, died, and it all made sense
still dunno exacts of the fight, but what i do know is kill shit don't stand on the squares
drifting fable
dont forget to sr the ice attack when hes stunned for mondo damage
sick sentinel
you never forget an ability that does 80% or more of your hp
cinder storm
On a quick note, have you guys noticed an increased amount of bugs lately? My healer died on the flight to WS last boss, I think I might only see that once in BfA, also, tanking on the corner when magnet came, balls kept coming back to the same place like if they had been stuck on the floor, so they were playing ping pong with me against the wall. And on Streets someone might lose the ability to do RP (usually me) on bar area,
lusty tiger
On a quick note, have you guys noticed an increased amount of bugs lately? My he...
Yes I had upper Kara reset in the middle of the fight randomly
Ported us to start of the room
sick sentinel
medivh screwed up the SR so just kicked all the spells
cinder storm
Since LK released there's been weird bugs happening way too often
sick sentinel
no ice bolt for u
drifting fable
worst one ive encountered so far was getting permanently charmed in the maiden hallway everytime i hit them
lusty tiger
I have had the streets bug 2x
lusty tiger
worst one ive encountered so far was getting permanently charmed in the maiden h...
Actually hell
cinder storm
I have had the streets bug 2x
3x time for me, it really sucks, first time I thought it was bc I dced going into the bar
drifting fable
we ran one last night where our characters were just RPing as mobs and just standing there because we were all mced lol
cinder storm
lol, thats kinda funny
sick sentinel
Actually hell
this on lfr is lteral hell
worse than any fucking, the maw
torghast
lusty tiger
What boss is that?
sick sentinel
zul in uldir
mellow bridge
On a quick note, have you guys noticed an increased amount of bugs lately? My he...
Never seen the death in flight bug, balls have been happening since bfa, just need to play around that one
sick sentinel
send 40 players running directly to and programmed to jump of a cliff..... sure... what could possibly go wrong?
mellow bridge
Streets rp is usually caused by being in combat
Don't pick up instrument while in combat
drifting fable
oh is that why you dont get the circles sometimes
mellow bridge
Yep
Happened to me a lot this season since I instantly pulled the infiltrator there
Now I delay it until the first wave of adds and it works perfectly
cinder storm
Thing is, it's not consistent
cinder storm
True
mellow bridge
Like in this example
Pulling the infiltrator into first wave of adds instead of before, literally won't cost you any time
So just do it
sick sentinel
that, and i remember it being very very famous that you would join LFR and it would be on zul, and the spawn point would be at the top of the zul stairs and someone would always pull 3 or morepacks
cinder storm
We try to avoid that bc of pools placement, I think it would be safer then to simply kill it before, not that it isnt doable but I'd rather not eat vampire claws + rowdy
sick sentinel
leading to repeat wipes for like 5 10 minutes
muted spoke
does shield block works on the physical soak in Huntsman Lower Khara?
shut summit
not sure what physical soak you are talking about, both mortal strike and shared suffering are magic
lusty tiger
U don’t know about the dragon soak?
toxic pewter
Wat
drifting fable
tropic gorge
Happened to me a lot this season since I instantly pulled the infiltrator there
I'll try that my next run through streets. I encounterd that bug last week also
oblique remnant
I only have 1 dinar left and its between reactive matrix and shard, is one way better than the other?
drifting fable
what kind of keys you running? rdm is good at all levels but aegis really only starts outperforming at high 20s
rdm is an all around good passive choice whereas you typically have to play around aegis
oblique remnant
I mainly play fury, so only gonna be tanking highest like 20
drifting fable
my recommendation would be rdm then
tropic gorge
ah its finally the weekend. time to begin the final leg of my ksm push
spiral warren
You got this
sand kettle
Yes I had upper Kara reset in the middle of the fight randomly
I had this when i took the portal to a ship, my character fell through the floor and it warped us all outside the room and reset the boss
cunning pecan
That's a good dungeon trinket, Yogi.
I'm pretty sure the only trinkets better than it are the raid trinkets. But sim to be sure.
sick sentinel
i bow to no number machine
stable valve
does spinning spear from last boss in GD target anyone, or only people within X yards of her
tropic gorge
++ a 17 streets. i'm 1 point from 2000 io
one. point. aaaaahhhhhhh
couldn't have gotten 20 for that. noooo had to get 19 lmao
warm plinth
does spinning spear from last boss in GD target anyone, or only people within X ...
Anyone. It has unlimited range.
mellow bridge
No
Either tank or melee
If no melee alive, then it can target ranged/healer
@stable valve
stable valve
Either tank or melee
that's what I've noticed, but I've seen so many people argue both ways now
and then someone said it did target anyone, but then they just raid of the description in the dungeon journal lmao
mellow bridge
That's because most melee are dumb and stay behind the boss
stable valve
^
mellow bridge
And then it looks like it targeted a ranged
You can have the melees stack on the tank and always move together
And I promise it'll never go on a ranged
sick sentinel
we +'d that 15 GB
but, it was messy at start, cuz they ninja pulled 3 groups + giant + vampire
i just can't be bothered remembering correct spelling of nathraziem
and they look like vampires, yes its very 4head
tropic gorge
dont forget to spell reflect vampiric touch for a good time
sick sentinel
i attempted to look for the dude casting the thing we were just discussing, heard it ondbm, didnt seeit, it went off
so, send out a rally and there was no round 2 of adds far as i saw
timber nest
are the mechagon rings worth using?
sick sentinel
don't quote me on it as truth, but i believe the ones you want are "when you do 3 abilities" and "deals damage" or "get haste"
timber nest
i have both, but is it worth?
uncut dome
Is eye of command worth anything for prot?
uncut dome
Ah okay Thanks brother
sick sentinel
line 1 #showtooltip so'leah's secret technique line 2/use [@focus] so'leah's secret technique
is this the macro for SST? i have one now 288
cinder storm
I just have the wa where you target someone and click on the icon and you get the buff
sick sentinel
i always do at focus now like more than 70% of times feels like, thats what my intervene only button does, charge intervene macro is mouseover or similiar
sick sentinel
Hey guys, im having some troubles with prot warrior being very squishy if someone could give me some advice on what im doing, im having 70% uptime on SB and 60-70% on IP using SW and LS when im taking big dmg but still seem to be getting really hard im using inter focus macro to charge out and back in for SB
chrome falcon
what level of key are you doing
and do you have any logs
you can't really just say "hey guys i'm doing everything right and still dying, what's going wrong"
sick sentinel
Unfortunately I don’t have logs I’m not sure how to actually run them I could get my healer to, and roughly 18s
I’ll try get some logs later
sick sentinel
Currently Kyrian, I know I need to swap to necrolord and will do tonight
chrome falcon
also you shouldn't worry about your uptime on shield block
you need to pay attention to how many hits you block
they're 2 different metrics
you're not going to know how much stuff you're doing wrong until you get a log
(hint: you're doing a lot wrong if you're feeling squishy at any level of content below 27-28)
sick sentinel
Alright, I’ll grab some logs later should I upload them here or should I dm them to you?
sick sentinel
Thank you mate.
chrome falcon
i'm going to bed now but you can ping when you post them and if i'm around i can look at them
sick sentinel
Thanks heaps
urban portal
covenant also should not matter at 18s
people have done 20s as venthyr
aka no covenant
chrome falcon
yes but necrolord gives a much better barometer on how good you are at the class
even without logs
pallid quiver
the only time i've ever felt squishy is when i intervene macro to a survival hunter who is actually not a survival hunter
taking like 15 hits to the back at once from a large pull hurts
pallid quiver
Hey guys, im having some troubles with prot warrior being very squishy if someon...
also, at a random glance from this, if you're using LS defensively, that's a mistake, since it's a very poor defensive CD overall. It's more for generating rage with the conduit
i would wager you use shield wall after the big damage comes in just from this statement, but then again, logs
sick sentinel
Okay thank you, will get some logs later on tonight and post them here so y’all can destroy me 😂
pine summit
Hey guys, do You know how to solo 1st trash pack on workshop as prot?
I mean 23+ keys
drifting fable
Hey guys, do You know how to solo 1st trash pack on workshop as prot?
I mean 23+...
pine summit
Thanks
sinful plover
I like them for fat execute phases
plush prism
what's average shield block uptime in a +20
cobalt seal
what's average shield block uptime in a +20
80%+ but that doesn't matter. It's all about blocked hits
plush prism
I got into bad habits in lower keys and I'm being bad and not hitting it enough or weaving enough I don't think
pallid quiver
Better to track if shield block is up or not. That way, if you see you're being melee'd or about to be, you can activate shield block, either by raw activation or charge/intervene
cobalt seal
I got into bad habits in lower keys and I'm being bad and not hitting it enough ...
lower or high keys playstyle is the same
pallid quiver
You'll get a higher amount of blocked hits that way, which is more important than overall uptime. While overall uptime leads to the former, uptime spent not blocking hits is effectively wasted uptime
devout pewter
guys, i have a hard time understanding this skill ... can someone explain it to me? and what do you mean by spell cast?
plush prism
lower or high keys playstyle is the same
I mean in a +5 what's the purpose of spending any rage on SB when it could be spent on other stuff? the mobs literally don't touch you
plush prism
yeah fair I guess I'm just usually pulling big at which point I'm pretty sure spamming the fuck out of revenge is way more damage
again only talking about very low keys
uncut flax
Is it hard to learn to tank as warrior? I've been reading guides, every skill, Just a kinda confused about ignore pain (shouldn't be spamming since always will be taking damage)?
Got really bored as prot paladin
plush prism
Is it hard to learn to tank as warrior? I've been reading guides, every skill, J...
when playing efficiently you'll use IP a lot , yeah. Warrior isn't currently the easiest, but it's not excessively hard
uncut flax
Will be weird jump from 3% vers for 30%
I've saw NL being meta, but since I'll be doing way low keys, kyrian or just go straight NL to train Cov uptime?
pallid quiver
I've saw NL being meta, but since I'll be doing way low keys, kyrian or just go ...
To answer both questions, you should 100% be spamming IP because we have too much rage. The defensive benefit is also extremely minor in comparison to what spending rage does, as well (Anger Management, Banner Upkeep), It's best to pretend IP's tooltip literally just reads "Spend 35 rage off the GCD" and nothing else. It'll just happen to be as a result of playing, as well, so it's not even worth thinking about. Just use it to spend rage.
For with covenant, you can still easily play Necrolord in low keys. It can be a slight bit obnoxious to farm up really big numbers on banner duration since things die pretty fast, but it's very easy to keep 100% combat uptime on the banner buff, so might as well go Necro due to it being more damage and survivability
The Necrolord playstyle is also just rewarding you for playing Warrior correctly. That is to stay, generating rage as a priority, then spending it without wasting any.
The main difficulty with playing Warrior is just keeping up with the sheer number of buttons to press. As a complete beginner, you should probably look at having 70 CPM over the course of an M+ run, though even higher than that is definitely achievable and should be the end goal
the only other hard thing to learn about tanking as warrior is learning what you can spell reflect if it's not documented, since that involves experimenting with getting hit by spells, which other people really don't like people to do
somber citrus
Hey guys is there a speadsheet for Prot BIS?
plush prism
Hey guys is there a speadsheet for Prot BIS?
wowhead prot bis, just google that, it's mostly correct
somber citrus
Got it, ty buddy
wise storm
Hi, I'm looking to try tanking on my warr for the first time and looking at my gear. I can't find anything about Decanter of Endless Howling on wowhead or anywhere although it seems pretty decent for tanking aswell. Already have an OWS so would you recommend decanter or soleah's as my other trinket? Don't have Aegis yet
pallid quiver
RDM, actually, if you have it sitting around
If you're picking between Decanter or Soleah's, I'd just sim it, personally
wise storm
alright, thanks
echo canyon
how important is crit for prot warrior compare to the other stats?
better have high versa /haste ?
lofty widget
best to have highest possible ilvl, and in cases of equal ilvl pieces haste>crit=vers>mastery in general
lofty widget
yes
echo canyon
atm i have 12% crit and others stats are 25-30%
cobalt seal
better have high versa /haste ?
why vers
vers is as good as crit
but I guess it doesn't ready dmg reduction
sick sentinel
taking haste bounty has been working out for me
coral marsh
how is the savior shield first boss sepulcher?
sick sentinel
guys, i have a hard time understanding this skill ... can someone explain it to ...
the same way how protection paladin can block spell if talented and spell activates it, except, in this case, we would pre emptively cast spell block on purpose when (frost bolt) is going to be cast directly at you
the thing is, we also have critical block chance blocking twice normal, so that may be overpowered
you will still take dmg from ice bolt, but it will hit you for way less
mellow bridge
how is the savior shield first boss sepulcher?
worse than other shields at same ilvl, better than lower ilvl shields
put it on defense mode and leave it there
stable valve
does anyone know how long after engaging the abstract nullifier it casts force blade?
I was like 1-2s off SR being up for the second hit
and that's a lot of dmg to miss 😦
topaz field
why would u have no sr up?
or u mean a second cast?
tbh i have never seen him live more than one 
sick sentinel
what is abstract nullifier? robot outside of curator room i think?
sturdy sable
Ye
sick sentinel
i don't get the reflects as much as i should,
just, never clicks half the time all the time
mellow bridge
dont think you can reflect 2 in a row sadly
cinder storm
Sense top war now 
dawn canyon
Yea
hasty fiber
i have downphases in some keys
drifting fable
goal is to keep it up in combat really
so if you mean downphases when nothing is happening thats fine
but if you drop mid combat thats less fine
hasty fiber
Yes u use ignorepain all the time and revenge on procc?
drifting fable
revenge all the time even when not procced
revenge should be your 2nd most hit ability generally
the whole class is centered around generating and spending rage
the only way to do that is SB revenge and IP
Youll be SBing anyways for tanking, so spend the rest of all that rage on revenge generally and use IP to stop yourself from overcapping
worst thing is to overcap rage
so IP being off GCD lets you use it as a throttle
and kind of stem the overcapping
then the rest you just revenge
south zealot
you want to always have the ability to press revenge
sick sentinel
the warrior that joined the 15 GB yesterday died twice before first boss (once a wipe) and he got mad at me "HOLD AGGRO TANK" don't blame him
that didn't record,, i think, but it was a 2 chest
uncut dome
Anyone got a good WA for trtacking banner uptime?
sick sentinel
always secret for haste yeah?, with haste food onlybuff im 1262= 37.42%
south zealot
yes
chrome falcon
SS when it procs
use revenge to dump rage
press thunderclap sometimes
there's no rotation
do you have logs?
small coral
yea
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
- ditch codex for a real trinket
- run ravager
those are the things i instantly notice before properly looking
small coral
oh, codex trash?
chrome falcon
very very bad for us
and basically everyone else
it did 5% of your damage but cost you ~7% of your mainstat
you're missing a HUGE amount of avatar casts
looking at the streets run
you cast avatar 18 times
in a 28 minute run
in a 28 minute run i could probably get literally twice that number
your wasted rage is actually quite low
sick sentinel
the warrior that joined the 15 GB yesterday died twice before first boss (once ...
ahh it all makes sense now, his name is deadspin
chrome falcon
which means that a lot of the time your avatar is ready and you're just not pressing it
you're MASSIVELY overprioritising thunderclap
small coral
yeah i def dont use avatar enough, probabaly cause i have it macrod with other Cds
chrome falcon
thunderclap is very bad and does dogshit damage
^ that's real bad
you do not do that
small coral
interesting
chrome falcon
send every CD on cooldown
if you hold avatar for your other CDs
you're going to miss a lot of casts of avatar
cobalt seal
what other cd's even
chrome falcon
^
sick sentinel
only thing i'd ever hold on is LS if banner is soon
chrome falcon
you're not even running ravager
so there's no other CD to line it up with
anyway yeah
you need to cast so many more revenges
sick sentinel
like, less than 30 seconds on banner cd or some crap
chrome falcon
revenge should be basically equal CPM with shield slam
small coral
so basically take tclap off 1, put revenge there instead
chrome falcon
prio is always SS if it's up then if you need to burn rage (which you always do) then you revenge
you need to cast some TCs obviously
i can't give you an exact number
but you should have many many more revenge casts than TCs
you also cast a lot of heroic throws which is
kind of odd?
your charge cpm is 1.5 and your intervene cpm is 0.5
cobalt seal
and no executes
chrome falcon
technically you can have 3 cpm on charge and 2 cpm on intervene
which is a lot more rage
which is a lot more avatars
you spent 45 outbursts on TC
and 35 on shield slam
small coral
god im trash
chrome falcon
the numbers should be more like 60 on SS and 20 on TC
cobalt seal
your charge cpm is 1.5 and your intervene cpm is 0.5
0.7 charge CPM on the upper
small coral
yea
cobalt seal
At least he has Avatar/Racial and banner on a macro
small coral
i do
cobalt seal
I know you do xD
cinder storm
Rofl
chrome falcon
ok anyway bullets points
- Wear literally any trinket with strength over codex
- Drop ITF, run ravager
- Drop BsC, run BV (your banner uptime is very low and BV will help)
- Cast a LOT more revenges, generally speaking you should have enough rage to just blast revenge until you get SS procs. Still cast some TCs for rage gen
- Try to increase general CPMs on shield slam just for more rage (your SS casts are at 11.5 when really with the haste affix they could be 14+)
- CAST AVATAR ON COOLDOWN, i have almost never held avatar for more than 2 or 3 seconds this patch
- Spend your outbursts on shield slam. The extra rage is far, far more damage even in aoe
- Proc reprisal much more often. It's a lot of rage and free revenges
- Banner uptime in streets should be 75% minimum, you were at below 30%. The extra rage generation will help with this.
- You need to cast Last Stand on cooldown during Banner uptime. Check my video in the pins to see why this is important
- Cast execute more. It's one of, if not the, hardest hitting spells in the game during execute
- Upgrade your banner conduit my guy! It's 10% strength at ilvl 200, it should be 23% at ilvl 278. You can buy all conduits at 278 for 10k flux in Haven
@small coral i think that was most of it
uncut dome
I got ows - since i used dinar in fury gear. What trinket from m+ Can uou recomend? Im trying to get rdm as of next.
small coral
dammit so i ahve to get into some raids 😦
chrome falcon
not really
clear LFR every week for 3 weeks and you'll get 1 dinar
2 more weeks and you get the other 2
lofty widget
trinkets are very minor dont stress it
chrome falcon
you don't actually have to "raid"
and yeah
also that ^
Every single bullet point i just listed
will help your performance more
than if you had full bis trinkets
small coral
aight
small coral
fair point
chrome falcon
so yeah just do all that, log it, ping me if you want and see what you've done better
defo recommend video in the pins just to see how to maintain a good banner
small coral
will do, thanks friends ❤️
chrome falcon
banner uptime is very important for damage
but also
Definitely go get the 278 conduit from haven
that's a free 14% strength right there
huge upgrade
(well it's not free, it costs 10k flux, but that's pretty close to free)
small coral
i got plenty of flux
cobalt seal
will do, thanks friends ❤️
Dont do keys honestly. Go to target dummy and dont leave til you get 100% banner uptime
lofty widget
👋
uncut dome
Question - legion hidden artifacts Any Way to get it other Then going to the lair and hoping to get the whisper?
cinder storm
@small coral I know you had a lot of downtime but you should keep an eye on your SB, it's a bit low and there's a lot of gaps between casts
sick sentinel
can i trade and double up on SST with someone else who has it and agree
or do i have to find a new person to put it on
i was reading in comments wowhead that its all the same ID for the different stats, so my guess is its just 1 buff and if you try to do another it replaces it
dawn canyon
Sst?
sick sentinel
i asked bout it like, 3 times already before this and announced at least twice that i got it and said my key was gambit
chrome falcon
Question - legion hidden artifacts Any Way to get it other Then going to the lai...
nope you get 1 chance a day and that's it
chrome falcon
<@259140258908602368> <@144555238567706624> , maybe slight improvement
would definitely recommend running booming voice and ravager to increase your rage generation for banner
cobalt seal
would definitely recommend running booming voice and ravager to increase your ra...
and go smash target dummy
chrome falcon
and remember to be casting last stand with banner
last stand is a huge dps+rage generation CD
and you're just not pressing it
if you're only using last stand as a defensive CD it's LITERALLY just a healthstone
if you use it as an offensive CD for rage generation it will massively increase your banner uptime and therefore your rage generation
sick sentinel
well, where is the threshold, of banner is still on CD but you have LS
uncut dome
nope you get 1 chance a day and that's it
Thos system is amazing been doing it for 2 months Reading the Stone and going there 😂 nothing
sick sentinel
that forces you to wait for banner, like just a normal scenario 15 or 20 key
lofty widget
you hold LS for as long as possible without missing a use imo
ideally you still send it on cd cause you dont need LS to keep up banner anyway
but also ideally banner doesnt drop
chrome falcon
even outside of banner LS is still insane dps
sick sentinel
i guess the most stupid possible time to send LS is 17 second off banner cd
cuz then u for sure miss the banner window
cobalt seal
and if you do that all the time
you end the dungeon
with 2-3 less casts
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
i got a 17 ws to do later but workshop is the freest key in existance
not even remotely scary on fort weeks
timber nest
are people targeting the gambit necklace? or is the upper one better because more haste?
cobalt seal
any neck is good til you find a 304
cobalt seal
sim?
sick sentinel
? no? lol
sick sentinel
i was just inquiring which neck it was cuz i pulled up tazavesh loot table saw 2 necks drop, then realized one is from streets
dawn canyon
Ah
dawn canyon
Why not 298
sick sentinel
beacuase
the game doesn't want me running, uhh GD, and lower or yard
so, i need to upgrade io to get valor unlocks, mage is like 1600 andtheni gave up
sick sentinel
99% of keys i run are my own
cobalt seal
that's your issue then
sick sentinel
its not that i don't run them, i just haven't gotten any yet
edgy bone
What is everyone's opinion on this ring?
dawn canyon
Not mechagon set
edgy bone
Why?!
edgy bone
10% less dmg
dawn canyon
No haste
edgy bone
we are tank we dont wanna die
cobalt seal
press buttons
chrome falcon
from each mobs in the first 4 seconds
cobalt seal
to not die
dawn canyon
10% less dmg
Do you die 4 sec into pulls
chrome falcon
when you have shield block and IP up?
cobalt seal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lofty widget
yes
dawn canyon
Get the 3 spell and haste
cobalt seal
its not that i don't run them, i just haven't gotten any yet
queue for them?
sick sentinel
i can and could, just not doing it atm
edgy bone
Where's best non raid gloves from? I'm guess we want Haste+crit
cobalt seal
Where's best non raid gloves from? I'm guess we want Haste+crit
any gloves will do it
chrome falcon
you cc gloves
dawn canyon
Something with big ilvl and haste
chrome falcon
so it doesn't matter
lofty widget
cc is like crit mastery
lofty widget
i just got the ones from JY haste/mastery+speed
south zealot
yeah i use high speed gauntlets
chrome falcon
yeah just anything with ilvl and haste
uncut dome
Vulpera master race
chrome falcon
buy it from haven
sick sentinel
necro covenant here
drifting fable
so necro gets it from guy near ToP flight path
cobalt seal
or in oribos
lofty widget
also in oribos to the left of where you swap cov
sick sentinel
welp, taxi time now
sonic crag
Be real cool if they put the thing in Oribos that's let's you swap conduits
sick sentinel
wtb emergency ore spotted below me GTFO taxi immediately with all risks incured button
more for like classic, but, yeh,
maddening to fly over it on taxi
south zealot
off topic but tall see this?
- havoc kekw
- 450k dps is insane
like just pure insanity
charred ivy
is the junkyard shield any good?
small coral
ravager/boom/LS made a huge difference @chrome falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KyNtrgvQjcq4G2Yf/#fight=64&type=damage-done
chrome falcon
looks a lot better
remember to execute though
you should be casting execute 11 times on a single boss in that dungeon
not 11 times over the whole key
full flax
Is details uptime % on banner accurate?
full flax
thank you 🙂
south zealot
It's just enlarge
yes but even in bfa when mages could enlarge there
1m in jy was super rare
its bc of the insane haste from pi, mages stacking haste and not mastery now, and ofc the shrouded bonus
ton of zaps
south zealot
its honestly looking pretty close
current fire has way more combustion uptime though
edgy grail
Yes they give up more burst for higher combustion uptime
south zealot
burst seems similar to me
edgy grail
Compared to other class in 8.3 their burst was much higher
Right now you can’t really say that mage has way higher burst than say survival or lock
south zealot
well yeah ig in comparison to other specs current fire mage isnt that high
south zealot
shadowlands has a ton of power right now
strong forum
in bfa firemage had small combust every minute
and ultra omega combust every 2minutes
now both combusts are just meh tier compared to bfa imo
dawn canyon
Bust is still insane
south zealot
yeah bc mage doesnt use 2 minutes anymore do they?
dawn canyon
Just not bfa insane
south zealot
they use sigil and whatever else right
strong forum
its still good, but BFA was just on another level
especially cuz ignite spread was just so good
south zealot
bfa fire mage was actually dogshit outside of combination tho 😂
dawn canyon
they use sigil and whatever else right
They use orb and sigil/grenade
south zealot
fire mage is better overall to play right now imo
dawn canyon
Or other shit if weird timings
south zealot
like it feels better
strong forum
bfa fire mage was actually dogshit outside of combination tho 😂
its still good every 1minute
thats perfectly good
edgy grail
I dont lije skb
strong forum
every 1 minute you had decent burst, every 2 minute youd delete the entire dungeon
if you could chain into ignite you could remove entire pulls so easily
south zealot
i dont like skb much either but its so nice to have
feels like shit when you have your pyro cancelled at like 0.5 seconds left
what made unholy do such insane burst in bfa
like immediate 0-100 burst within a global
edgy grail
The whole point of the spec is to make your long casts instant yet you play a leggo that makes you hardcast
Feels like shit
south zealot
so aids how some pulls you will smash dps with tier and leggo good rng
and them u do piss damage next pull bc your entire reck you get 2 extends and no leggo procs
dawn canyon
Signet being gone in DF is nice
strong forum
dawn canyon
Signet is rng the choice nodes arent
flint plank
For someone just learning to raid tank. How hard is Prot to pickup ?
strong forum
prot itself is a harder tank to pickup than others
but if you focus on just mechanical play and taunt swapping and using defensives, it should be fairly easy to get comfortable raiding
urban portal
raid tanking is easy as hell
just do a quick run in heroic
and then in mythic you learn when to use what defensives
and you are good
strong forum
for someone whos never tanked it can be challenging cuz of social pressure
royal lodge
Yeah, I would definitely tank normal before heroic. Be prepared to be blamed for everything.
On normal, a slight mistake won't wipe the raid. On heroic a missed taunt can wipe the raid without adequate cooldown usage.
royal lodge
Yes, mechanics that will easily kill a player new to playing a Prot Warrior.
dawn canyon
Ah right tank stuff, im too used to dps stuff where boss gets pushed before literally anything happens
royal lodge
Agreed, that is beneficial. I've tanked heroic carry raids with mythic level DPS and raids with normal level DPS, nearly different fights.
mighty valley
yeah if you’re brand new and generally so overwhelmed that you forget to like… notice cast bars etc, heroic can kill the tank
flint plank
Ya I’d be mostly doing normal and heroic. Pretty casual. Just seems like Prot has a ton of buttons haha kinda scary looking
fickle arrow
So is Crit good to stack a bit because we get so much haste from affix?
south zealot
Ya I’d be mostly doing normal and heroic. Pretty casual. Just seems like Prot h...
prot is highest apm spec in the game
south zealot
So is Crit good to stack a bit because we get so much haste from affix?
stack full haste
outside of that crit is second best stat
so yes its good
some people like more crit some like haste
iirc nomeratur has around 33haste 32 crit
or something like that
i personally have like 40 haste and 19ish crit
urban portal
Crit does more damage than haste
I’m fairly sure nome is stacking Ilvl
And winging the rest
fickle arrow
I mean crit has defensive value too
strong forum
it does, but i personally just got for ilvl / whatever sim tells me
and crit just slaps
love those juicy 60k shield slams
fickle arrow
So if your at max iL? just play around with secondaries?
strong forum
i just sim for damage
survival comes from playing well
not from stats other than having a healthy amount of haste
fickle arrow
so if I suck at staying alive? Reroll BDK?
strong forum
if you suck, go practice unless you dont want to get better
pallid quiver
to be honest if you have trouble staying alive as prot, i dont think going to bdk will make it any better
dawn canyon
so if I suck at staying alive? Reroll BDK?
Log a run get a review
pallid quiver
i dont think youve seen enough bad blood dks
dawn canyon
Implement advice and repeat
pallid quiver
People refuse to death strike
strong forum
thats cuz the dont know that deathstrike is their hardest hitting ability
pallid quiver
Which, like, ill fucking accept notnusing defensives but
its not only that, it's also on the spec selection for iconic abilities
strong forum
i know there are some bad dks out there
with just 20% uptime on DRW
and proc purg before pressing DS
ive seen em
pallid quiver
I really do think for absolute sheer baseline survivability, Warrior is easier than DK
but anything after its dk ez all the way