but the moral of the story is they are both rock solid trinkets to have IMO
#protection
lyric stirrup
Okay, very good, thank you very much for the input!
safe thistle
does the conqueror banner increase str stay for the full duratrion of the buff even if extende
sick sentinel
304 decanter or 298 grenade/so'leah?
urban portal
decanter
rocky kraken
can you reflect 2 beams in a row from last boss of upper kara? im trying to spell reflect before the cast but it dont wanna miss the cast because spell reflect dropped
hidden lodge
do you ever use revenge in ST like on a boss?
oblique garnet
can you reflect 2 beams in a row from last boss of upper kara? im trying to spel...
No
rocky kraken
cool ty
tender cove
Can't you have both? Or is it OWS?
Separate question, how much more worse is kyrian vs necro?
drifting fable
you could have both but having OWS is better
oblique garnet
Separate question, how much more worse is kyrian vs necro?
Think of kyrian as a family minivan and necrolord is that neighbours sportscar that you wish you had
drifting fable
lol
tender cove
hahah. okok, fair enough 😄
tender cove
I just started playing and have done exactly 3 keys on it but was just thinking if I should go kyrian to get a better feel for everything and then when im more comfortable with the spec i'll go necro, but if its that huge difference? I'll stick to necro
tender cove
Seem to average just above one minute banners rn
chrome falcon
SR like
0.5 seconds after pull
and you can do 2 in a row
OH WAIT
sorry
no
SR kick SR
oblique garnet
Yep
tender cove
Would it be ok to the post a log of the 10 i did earlier today? I'm very new so its gonna be shit for sure but would be nice to know what areas I need to focus the most on and maybe some other tips?
mortal brook
tender cove
I see, thanks steve 🙂
chrome falcon
Would it be ok to the post a log of the 10 i did earlier today? I'm very new so ...
you can feel free to post it here too
tender cove
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Wait... Are you my my Steve? 😮
tender cove
it is you, mr papa bear 😄
tender cove
you can feel free to post it here too
Cool. Thanks
Very new to the class, gonna be bit shit for sure, but I noticed I seem to take very little dmg and then super much dmg and I can't really pinpoint the gaps and why
And also what areas I need to work more on, think I managed 1 min Banner once or twice but not sure. And just any general tips or things that stand out to you.
I forgot ravager for half of the dungeon and will work on that for next xD
Thanks! Prot log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2P8GcABbW9h1Qqz4/#fight=last
chrome falcon
If you feel very tanky then suddenly very squishy it's because you dropped shield block
you blocked 70% of hits which would be pretty good in a 27 where stuff lives a very long time but in a 10 you could probably hit like 95%+
tender cove
I also watched your video on uptimer for banner and reprisal charge but in dungeons, mobs seem to have insane distance compared to dummies?
chrome falcon
you cast 8 intervenes in the entire key when it could have been closer to 50 in a 27 minute run
yeah some mobs have weird hitboxes
go for ones that are casting/slowed/stunned
you did 1.7 charges per minute which isn't terrible for a total beginner
but 3 charges per minute is technically the max possible
tender cove
you cast 8 intervenes in the entire key when it could have been closer to 50 in ...
And i'm not allowed to charge back? Not even if I spam an IP before the charge back?
chrome falcon
just intervene your melee
just make a macro that intervenes a melee
and spam it on CD
tender cove
you did 1.7 charges per minute which isn't terrible for a total beginner
Is 3 chargers per minute the breakpoint for 100% SB uptime?
tender cove
Is there any way you go about this besides the reprisal charge?
chrome falcon
nope
tender cove
Do you hold a charge of sb? or is that more for raid stuff?
chrome falcon
just make sure you use SB when you're actually being melee'd
SB is literally as simple
as
"if you're being melee'd, have shield block up"
that's it
if i'm being melee'd i just spam SB
tender cove
there's no management the stacks? Its only rage for that?
chrome falcon
if you know that you're going to be getting meleed for like
another 10+ seconds
then sure just send extra charges
tender cove
okok
chrome falcon
also
you're aware of missed ravagers which is fine
but you did even worse with demo shouts
oblique garnet
Highest sb uptime ive gotten is 94%
tender cove
just intervene your melee
okok, I have a macro, its mouseover so I can just hold over party unit and send it
oblique garnet
But thats with full haste stacking and 12 stacks of affix
tender cove
but you did even worse with demo shouts
Really? I know they were not fantastic but how bad?
oblique garnet
Send it on cd
oblique garnet
unless you are close to rage capping
Prot is literally send everything on cd the class
chrome falcon
when they both could have been like
35-37
your banner uptime is also like
horrifically low
so just make sure you generate and spend better
for some reason i can't see your wasted rage
log bug
tender cove
And in keys, Im supposed to just spam revenge much as I can, get the SS procs, dump it into SB/IP to not overcap?
chrome falcon
but i assume you wasted a ton by overcapping
correct
overcapping rage is the worst thing you can do
SS > revenge then just blast revenge and IP to dump
tender cove
yeh, its weird, the rage gen, sometimes it comes a ton I spend it all, then it changes and takes "forever" to come more, and then I look away 1 sec, and boom 100
And its not the LS stuff, do we get more rage per mobs or smt?
oblique garnet
you need to track banner
Because whenever you have banner up you actually generate rage
Without it you are just weak as a tank
tender cove
Because whenever you have banner up you actually generate rage
I do track banner ofc and those red/SS/TC procs
oblique garnet
Prio 1 on prot is just maintaining banner throughout the dungeon
If you drop it and dont have it back from cd yet you will have rough time
tender cove
You can probably tell from the log, but I think i had one 1 min banner at least
but i was also reapplying it stupid, end of packs, ahving it fall of at least twice
tender cove
Prio 1 on prot is just maintaining banner throughout the dungeon
Im aware, i'm doing my best and I think it will get better once i'm at dungeon 15 and not 3
I'm just trying to figure out what was horrible and what I really need to practice on
oblique garnet
Ye it takes bit practice ^^
tender cove
Because I do find the class super fun with all the charges and just feeling sturdy to tank. Only complaint is how fast, how much just the class stuff is, then you add pace of a dungeon, trying to remember all those stuff while practicing the execution on warrior vs my main tank. All while doing high on crack to keep up with the apm xD
tender cove
horrifically low
How can I see banner uptime on the logs?
oblique garnet
Under buffs
oblique garnet
Because I do find the class super fun with all the charges and just feeling stur...
Comparing the apm from your current log to what the peak in the class is its basically double of that ^^
Just gonna have to get used to it :p
tender cove
but i assume you wasted a ton by overcapping
So recap:
When I start flopping on health, Shield block dropped? How much def value does IP provide? Is it a good button or just a bonus button?
Intervene melee more.
Charge more.
Spam ravager/demo on cd.
No overcapping rage allowed. Think I just need to get into a habit of spending first and generate after. (Its opposite on pala, so just habit thing)
Always shield block spam long as i'm tanking. Dont waste duration end of packs.
Work much more on banner uptime, guessing watching your video again and practice practice.
Also, your macro, is it some generic melee macro that works for every melee spec?
tender cove
Thanks so much you and others for your insight and time. I really do appreciate it and means a lot having it come directly from the pro's even if its noob log to look at ❤️
tender cove
in a league game one sec
no worries, im going sleep soon but i'll read first thing in the morning, thanks 🙂
have hectic warrior day to complete 6 keys for vault and smashing in a +15
cinder nova
Am I crazy or is trying to meme Attumen's cleave not worth it
I leapt out and then he did a second one following up
And just splattered a random DPS that was between him and I
oblique garnet
Thanks so much you and others for your insight and time. I really do appreciate ...
Thats generally what we are here for ^^
Also ip is just an absorb that we generally have on always because with correct play you generate so much rage that you have both sb/ip always
oblique garnet
Am I crazy or is trying to meme Attumen's cleave not worth it
Its not the cleave you are trying to stop its the shared suffering
Cleave is like w/e
just dont hit melee or your team with it
chrome falcon
So recap:
When I start flopping on health, Shield block dropped? How much def va...
you definitely want to generate first spend after
just with good IP spam you don't need to make that choose
cinder nova
Its not the cleave you are trying to stop its the shared suffering
That's the cleave.
Mortal strike is a cone
drifting fable
well they both cleave
cinder nova
Unimportant.
oblique garnet
shared suffering is a circle
cinder nova
Again, unimportant.
Pedantry isn't really what I'm looking for, it feels like suffering just recasts.
oblique garnet
Ye it does if nobody is in it
oblique garnet
Pedantry isn't really what I'm looking for, it feels like suffering just recasts...
if the boss is about to phase its worth to cancel otherwise not so much
chrome falcon
to be fair for some reason the icon for MORTAL STRIKE is, in fact, the icon for cleave
but yeah just depends when boss is about to phase
if he phases in like 4-5 seconds then you interrupt it
otherwise just soak
pallid quiver
to be fair for some reason the icon for *MORTAL STRIKE* is, in fact, the icon fo...
listen, that messes with me so much since i've literally always played warrior
it's so hard not calling his mortal strike a cleave as a result that i just say mortal strike every time
oblique garnet
listen, that messes with me so much since i've literally always played warrior
...
thought it was called mortal cleave and not a strike
brittle owl
reject ability icons, use text instead
hollow zodiac
Hi guys, do you think this is worth replacing? not sure if more stats > more haste? I'm currently at 39% (not taking into account OWS/mechagon rings which I have)
blazing condor
i dont think id ever do that trade tbh
haste feels good
you can always sim if you wanna see damage
hollow zodiac
urban portal
That’s a lot of damage
strong forum
I'd recommend simming without wft if you don't actually have it in your group 😉
And monk buff
hollow zodiac
I'd recommend simming without wft if you don't actually have it in your group 😉
without wft (kept monk buff)
i'll use it then, thanks ! 👍
queen hemlock
is there an addon that shouts out when i cast spell reflect?
blazing condor
you can just macro a yell into spell reflect
tardy sequoia
So I started doing keys recently after some pause, should I be doing my keys? In +14 keys only people with low io score accept me in groups but they generally don’t have a clue and don’t interrupt like ever
Yesterday we were doing a +14 streets but noone soaked the postman, noone threw the suitcases in the hole etc
queen hemlock
you might have a better chance hosting it yourself at the start
and yea even on 15s i find people ignoring mechs and dying so
heard the saying being 20s are where people aren't brain ded
tardy sequoia
heard the saying being 20s are where people aren't brain ded
true, a bit unlucky cuz the start of the xpac the threshold was lower
queen hemlock
if you wanna rack up some io i recommend junkyard its one of the easiest
ionic fern
heard the saying being 20s are where people aren't brain ded
That's a lie.
queen hemlock
hope you got better luck going forward
ionic fern
But jeah, best advise is to push your own keys.
tardy sequoia
Do you think I should follow a route even on junkyard or does it allow more freedom with trash order?
queen hemlock
is it? sorry ive never had a bad jy run in my 17 runs
ionic fern
is it? sorry ive never had a bad jy run in my 17 runs
Yes. 🙂
tardy sequoia
Cause I’ve been looking at some routes but everyone does it differently
blazing condor
heard the saying being 20s are where people aren't brain ded
there's always bad people everywhere in this game tbh
ionic fern
Do you think I should follow a route even on junkyard or does it allow more free...
Just pick one you like and go ham.
blazing condor
difficulty scales relatively so you're always gonna have someone who's relatively shit
ionic fern
DPS'ers are like brianless chicken - they will follow where ever you go.
queen hemlock
sometimes have to tell them to never pull extra
manytimes i tell people not to pull extra gambit some bugger say zul is worth it
smack
tardy sequoia
Just pick one you like and go ham.
Sorry I meant another thing, I mean do you think it’s okay to just kill the mobs to bosses and then adjust the route accordingly? It’s so open I thought the dungeon allowed a bit more freedom
queen hemlock
think routes are made just to make sure you and your team get enough % and bots at the same time
tardy sequoia
Ah yes the bots
fallow narwhal
You can’t really just have one set route with jy anyways bc of the thing that blocks you, but just as he said, main thing is knowing where the bots are and pathing by a bunch early on
tardy sequoia
Does the bots location vary each time?
fallow narwhal
No
If you really want to see where they’re at can just go look on reg mythic too
I think MDT has them marked?
Not entirely sure about that tho
tardy sequoia
I’ll try thanks
topaz field
heard the saying being 20s are where people aren't brain ded
biggest lie 😄
lofty widget
Hey lads, anyone with Naxx PTR logs?
this is mostly a retail warrior discord, you might wanna check out the fight club server instead
open bay
cheers bud 🙂
trim bay
Should always go left regardless of where the lass boss is flying over head. You get 3 shock bots straight away before entering gunkers area. Then depending where the last boss is go left centre or right.
fallow narwhal
I mean, going right gets you three after one/two pulls, but I’d generally agree to going gunker first, tho not really a big deal
dusk jay
do you guys always leap/intervene the shared suffering?
dusky sentinel
What trinket are u guys using if u want to pump dps in lower keys? I tried the mechagon remote trinket and I dont consider it good
ionic fern
What trinket are u guys using if u want to pump dps in lower keys? I tried the m...
More revenge and seismic.
Easy.
I'm just using what i always use..OWS/OPC
strong forum
Ows + scars/sfa/sigil is big pump
If you're using scars close to "on CD" it averages out to more stats than ows even
dusky sentinel
Let me rephrase. If ur not raiding much. And simply doing keya. Any good ideas? I just started raiding again so ill put ows and shield on farm. But untill then?
lofty widget
soleahs if its purely from m+, maybe the grenade but you should just sim it
ionic fern
Let me rephrase. If ur not raiding much. And simply doing keya. Any good ideas? ...
Let me rephrase as well.
What do you even have available.
frozen glacier
Hello, which ring is better? 3 different spells or attacking enemy from behind?
how does that work on tanks?
strong forum
3 spells is more consistent and doesn't require much brainpower
Attack from behind requires you to actively try to get the proc as tank
sick sentinel
i did a bit of baby keys on warrior this weekend
so i'll have some 294 option and like a 280 something.
ionic fern
Ok.
brittle owl
Cool.
naive hatch
Any of you have a video or log of reflecting the toxic monstrosity in JY?
Curious both of the damage and timing
dawn canyon
Just press SR before the cast finishes
strong forum
Before you step into the puddle, hit SR
topaz field
u only have to watch out if a caster is in there
strong forum
Then don't move out of the puddle again
topaz field
that u dont reflect a cast
or an infiltrator
with a claw
which happened to me yesterday 😄
undone verge
Is there a way to spell cast last boss in upper to SR every other? Or do I gotta do this weird will it be up dance
sick sentinel
well, shit, 294 better than nothing
just, we got to a boss and someone left mid boss, so key depleted, had to try again, i'd keep pushing till it's a 15 if the key doesn't deplete.....
strong forum
Is there a way to spell cast last boss in upper to SR every other? Or do I gotta...
Every 2nd cast will be burning blast
Sometimes it'll be back to back, but you have infinite time to call your SR
sick sentinel
no more staying up till 1 or 2 am trying to chase slightly higher ilvl pixels, at least, not with like, 3 months or so of expansion left
strong forum
Less than 3 months
sick sentinel
i just, its amazing how much more enjoyable SL could have been if we had, unity, tier set and dinar - lite options all of SL at 9.0 or its all in the game by 9.1
undone verge
Sometimes it'll be back to back, but you have infinite time to call your SR
Infinite time, but that’s asking a lot of the dps
To kick when I ask them
Honestly might be the hardest thing in m+
jagged pier
Any of you have a video or log of reflecting the toxic monstrosity in JY?
Before the cast finishes press SR
topaz field
Honestly might be the hardest thing in m+
there are some interrupt trackers with SR on it
but with voice its ye not too hard
but from what i remember u reflect first
and only require 1-2 interrupts depending on spell queue
for your next reflect
and i havent reached a key lvl (25+) where 2 reflects wouldnt phase the boss
dawn canyon
Well the question is if his HP scales more than the reflect dam
topaz field
i have played that boss with prot + arms
which is a dream 😄
feels like a 15 with 2 reflects
strong forum
Yeah usually 2 reflects are enough to phase
With my team it takes 3 reflects cuz literally all our play is just reflect
topaz field
btw on the toxic monstrosity can only 1 war reflect?
at least thats what details says
lofty widget
no
dawn canyon
Since it applies the dot to all inside all should reflect it
topaz field
sometimes i get credit sometimes arms
strong forum
Only 1 dot gets reflected it doesn't stack, only refreshes duration if multiple reflect it
Burning blast is a rare scenario where the dot stacks
Maybe you can game it to have 1 war reflect it just before it runs out, but it's JY that shit times itself
strong forum
Like people try to optimise so much shit in JY for no reason
topaz field
oh we miss count turn 90 ° and press w
strong forum
If not for a ninja pull off of a robot we'd've gotten #1 fastest 😦
Were only 14sec off
pallid hollow
Rest in piece spell refect
sick sentinel
? what did they do to SR
somber sky
somenoe made the article on SR and now everyone thinks it's gg end of world
undone verge
Just like prot warrior in great push upper would be the end of SR
stable valve
This used to be a thing pwars had???
strong forum
Yes
stable valve
Taking that away is a crime 😦
strong forum
🙂
its fine tho, BDK AMS can ignore 90% of debuffs
we'll make due with a 1 singular spell reflect that doesnt work on 90% of debuffs
shut summit
vale epoch
😦
shut summit
relevant
lofty widget
🙂
strong forum
very real and true
chrome falcon
https://i.imgur.com/Syfdxh4.png
More like 2 death grips and one of them has to be necro BDK
Smile!
Aggramar gaming! 🙂 !
vale epoch
Do we just use the normal load out for trying to rip through low keys to farm Valor or do you guys use some different leggos/ gear?
dawn canyon
Aggramar gaming! 🙂 !
This is funny because our Uhdk is named agamar and he's in slappy prison
royal lodge
That version of spell reflect made Medivh cry in the original mythic+ key. Along with the other tanks.
I liked that artifact weapon so much. I hope the hidden appearance has some sort of use in DF.
strong forum
maybe some emote reaction but i dont expect anything else
or like a hidden dialogue
topaz field
can someone tell me if in workshop on the last boss
if u taunt mid cast
can u reflect
does he change target?
lofty widget
nop
strong forum
doing that mid cast does nothing
lofty widget
gotta do same shit as with last boss in top
lofty widget
taunt pre cast
strong forum
has to be before the cast
sick sentinel
best u can do is something to DR that person and not get hit by it yourself
im assuming this is the blue line
topaz field
it shouldnt matter him having aggro right
strong forum
the boss doesnt melee, so you just taunt, wait for the next cast to start
topaz field
because the boss does nothing but this cast
strong forum
then while hes casting on your DPS friend, you taunt back
so the next cast doesnt go onto him aswell
topaz field
gotcha
cinder storm
which reminds me how it took me several keys to stop using SB during bfa, and how some tanks are still using SB on the same boss nowadays
I know its a habit but still
sand egret
psh, gotta get them big Shield Slams yo
cinder storm
shield block
modern brook
¿?
sick sentinel
eh, at least we got shit to block now,... with our shields.... made for blocking with.... critically even...
cinder storm
that boss does no melee dmg
cinder storm
well, back in bfa at least
modern brook
It's also not like rage is a resource rn
sick sentinel
no, but there is more mobs and trash that does shit we can block now lol
sand egret
it used to do the same in bfa
strong forum
in bfa, in like a high key, maybe you did your forgo SB usage to pump more into IP cuz we were a bit squishier
but outside of high af keys, you didnt do that
cinder storm
yeah, he used to chunk hp but managing IP did the trick
guess its just a left over memory for me then from bfa
not brown guy anymore this season, I'm a red guy now 
I'm still madge you cant stun first boss anymore, not that its a big deal
strong forum
moreso annoying that the hammer doesnt kill the boss anymore
the hammers dont scale with keylevel anymore 😦
cinder storm
I remember the first time I saw that in that first MDI, announcers were like "and now the dps are going to avoid vent je...., what happened to the boss????"
sick sentinel
wtf extended maitainence or something again
cinder storm
I can only assume they might be preparing all raids to remain open at the same time this week or next week
topaz field
i wonder if u can mc a rocket man and trigger boss and abuse the rockets xD
strong forum
Yes
But that would require you to play the most dangerous pack in the dungeon
Or do you mean at first boss
topaz field
i see
cobalt grove
So I'm having a debate with a tank in guild (paladin) saying that all tanks - warriors included are using codex, based on what they're wearing in keys and raids. Is it still bad for warriors or am I good to run it?
undone verge
It’s bad
lofty widget
it's shit
undone verge
You get more value out of other trinkets stats defensively then you get defensively from codex
Unless your doing like fortified 30 plus it’s probably not even a discussion
drifting socket
So I'm having a debate with a tank in guild (paladin) saying that all tanks - wa...
Check the pins, the Codex absorb applies after ignore pain so it's even worse for prot warriors as we essentially have near 100% uptime on ignore pain
plus str gives us more mitigation on ignore pain whereas stamina does not
get reactive defense matrix or aeigis
undone verge
So I'm having a debate with a tank in guild (paladin) saying that all tanks - wa...
Guarantee he’s looking at top runs where they’re running it on 29-30 fortifieds, anything lower than a 27/28 it’s not even close to the best trinket
lofty widget
codex will never be the best trinket to run, at any key level
no mainstat+rdm exists
drifting fable
no they are, that much is true
lofty widget
all tanks except 2 ran it in tgp
drifting socket
is that for the stamina though?
cobalt grove
Yeah, I had already looked at those. Was just verifying that the pin was up to date and that there hadn't been a change of heart about it.
drifting fable
nope. we continue to actively suggest other trinkets
cobalt grove
That was my thought was the cushion of health for spike magic damage.
undone verge
Codex+pulsating stoneheart for the win
drifting socket
then why do they run it
cobalt grove
Like for the only reason you might wear it
lofty widget
theres not a single scenario where an extra 5k hp is gonna save you on a warrior
topaz field
i have asked a tgp tank thats his answer: well it's not a comfort pick what so ever, we wanna play what is the best trinket.
On Tournament realm i tried both RDM and codex and compared them in same dungeon at same dungeon level + affixes.
I wanted to know which one did the most dmg, on paper RDM looks sick and in sims.
But reality is you have more uptime on codex so it actually deals more dmg in dungeons then RDM.
It is really sad that its stamina on codex and not strength but the strength doesnt count up for the actual dmg loss that you lose.
There was a huge difference in dmg, i dont have the exact numbers but codex was defiently more valueable.
We did a lot of theorycrafting and stuff with those 2 trinkets and codex was just the better choice for damage.
cobalt grove
I have a plethora of trinkets to play around with. I feel bad now since I could've given it to the dk that I was running with.
drifting fable
only reason you would wear it is if there are only 2 trinkets in your bag
drifting socket
i have asked a tgp tank thats his answer: well it's not a comfort pick what so ...
I take it they did all this testing on blood DK's right and not prot warriors since IP shield comes first
undone verge
Blood dk def gets more out of codex
topaz field
ye on war its obviously troll
cobalt grove
@lofty widget for me it's around 11k but your point still stands. 11k compared to my overall health pool is paltry.
undone verge
Im convinced top warriors who wear it just came from bdk and don’t know it’s even worse with warrior
drifting socket
equip your heart of azeroth and you gain 25k hp lol
undone verge
lmao that’s hilarious
undone verge
Doesn’t it give % increase to other stats too
drifting socket
not sure it's the correct play
I haven't tested that bit yet
if the powers work
i actually think it would be viable
undone verge
Yeah if other bits work
drifting socket
some of the heart powers are broken
we can get a cheat death for prot warriors
but as far as I know it's just the HP buff
need to run a +2 or something with it on
drifting socket
codex is from Tazevesh
RDM is reactive defense matrix, trinket from SoD, can be bought with dinar tokens
strong forum
i have asked a tgp tank thats his answer: well it's not a comfort pick what so ...
Lemme guess, he didn't calc in the loss of mainstat vs stamina
cinder storm
he might just need the gold
strong forum
And only looked at the dmg meter
topaz field
Lemme guess, he didn't calc in the loss of mainstat vs stamina
well yes i kinda assume that but he refers to the str loss
which wasnt convincing for me
but i cannot beat the truth out of ppl
strong forum
Btw
Codex only wins over rdm if your dtps is north of 41k 🙂
And if codex is actually up for 50% of the time
Which it never is cuz of overlapping procs
topaz field
ye i agree
strong forum
Real uptime is ~42%
topaz field
its hard to find high logs
strong forum
Not rly
topaz field
and those i have checked are telling me RDM
modern brook
More like nodex tbh
topaz field
they scream for rdm
strong forum
Every log of every dk checked, rdm beats the shit out of codex
strong forum
But goes to show, that said tgp tank did "his research"
topaz field
i could drive to his home and force him to tell me the truth 😄
strong forum
Almost all bdks used codex in upper when it's literally useless on 3/4 bosses 🙂
Good trinket btw
cinder storm
yet every top dk is wearing codex, which further cements common misconceptions
strong forum
Last boss doesn't melee, so codex doesn't proc
Chess doesn't melee, so codex doesn't proc
Mana devourers AAs get fully absorbed by blood shield, so codex doesn't proc
Medivh doesn't melee, so codex doesn't proc
Yet all tanks wore codex cuz they totally did their research
lofty widget
just goes to show how unimportant trinkets are 🙂
strong forum
Yup
topaz field
idk 😄 i always loved my aegis
didnt feel too unimportant when i was getting smacked xD
cinder storm
I mean, they probably handicap themselves because bdk is so ez 
strong forum
Well aegis is kinda useless on bdk
cobalt grove
Most if not all of mine are dps ones since I main arms.
strong forum
They don't care about mitigation as long as they dont get 1shot, it's pointless
topaz field
i could go to press aegis go afk 10 secs and return
lofty widget
aegis is also pretty useless 90 % of the time
cinder storm
does 285 RDM beats Soleah's 298?
lofty widget
yes
strong forum
Meanwhile bdk procs rdm pseudo chest death basically on CD, gets 7% more armor, 7% more dmg ontop of that
BUT HEY
I DID MY RESEARCH
cinder storm
It's more of a rest your fingers buttons
lofty widget
it should be treated like SW, unless you need it for next pull, you use it
strong forum
^^^^
Just fucking use your CDs
That's what they're there for
Not to hold them forever
topaz field
well 😄 today i saw a warrior pressing it on cd and then flopping 15 secs later
pallid musk
Bdk got purg/will of necropolis at 35%
pallid musk
So less risk being one shot and can then death strike to get 100 again
strong forum
Yea
cinder storm
Only place I'd save aegis would be grouping first pack for the first iron star, once I ran with NF thing, they evaded, just those two, and the iron stars stopped working for everything else
cobalt grove
I'd say if you're not getting chunked, popping it on CD is probably the play for damage smoothing. Or if you're gonna pull a Florida Man type shit and aggro everything, pop it there for safety. Or the big telegraphed hits of course.
cobalt grove
It can make them more manageable.
edgy bone
I'd say if you're not getting chunked, popping it on CD is probably the play for...
Florida man 🤣
lofty widget
well it takes 15k off the big hit
cobalt grove
Look, I'm not saying the rest of you do this. But when I pull stuff, I want it to know who has the bigger wang.
pallid musk
Aegis then your IP make it even more useful on pwarr
cobalt grove
I was going to ask what the order of mitigation was when it came to aegis.
Is it aegis > ip > armor > block?
Or block before armor
pallid musk
Even if aegis hold, you deal damage
chrome falcon
there are no "big hits" that 100->0 you
so
using it for those big hits is still fine
because it makes you much harder to finish off
cobalt grove
Yeah when I say "big hit" I'm referring to a hard boss hit that leaves you vulnerable to being taken out by auto attacks or a dot.
Not necessarily a one shot.
Save the healers some mana and keep on punching the boss.
dawn canyon
Aegis is strong against bosses like mana devourer that rail pwar
cobalt grove
That sweet sweet magic damage that we still don't have a decent recovery mechanic for.
south zealot
no real hard boss hits
biggest hardest hitting spells are the nathrezims and anything called ____ bolt
which will almost always be a trash pack where aegis has bonus value over a boss fight
lofty widget
medivh/mana dev are like the only 2 bosses where aegis gets value
cobalt grove
There's also the "oh shit" moments where you gotta hold it down till your healer can get it together.
cinder storm
Those come less as long as you rotate your cds properly, if you run with a holy priest you get even more SWs usages
dawn canyon
medivh/mana dev are like the only 2 bosses where aegis gets value
iirc sense runs wall on those too
lofty widget
yeah
urban portal
There’s no content that’ll turbo one shot you
So you shouldn’t stack defensive
Except last stand you press that whenever you feel like it
tropic gorge
I use last stand more for extra rage these days
Occasionally I'll have to use it as an oh shit moment
tropic gorge
I like the talent or idea that having ls up comes with block
Maybe in df it'll be worth taking
I use commanding shout more than ls tho
I've saved so many dps from themselves with it lol
I am a caring god
cobalt grove
I'm a cruel one. Let them die.
They don't learn anything unless they eat the pavement every now and again.
cinder storm
Taunts one add
dps blow pot + cds 0.1s after
jfc tank, just taunt
dawn canyon
>Taunts one add
>dps blow pot + cds 0.1s after
>jfc tank, just taunt
Buff tank threat
cobalt grove
I mean, at least if I'm gonna be stupid when I'm playing arms I pop DbtS before I start going apeshit on AOE.
cinder storm
It's less an issue now but, they love doing that yet their brains lag when it comes to utility/kicking things
cobalt grove
Because I know that no amount of tank damage in the world is going to keep everyone on them when I hit colsmash > spear > bladestorm
I can and will die if I don't pop a CD
tropic gorge
My favorite group comps consist of all dps having an interrupt, and details showing I did over 90 percent of all of them
Including finding the one caster in a shit huge pack, and kicking it
cobalt grove
By the time it runs out, the only things still hitting me are puny adds that just serve a purpose as a rage battery.
tropic gorge
I've only lost agro to avatar spear ravager to other tanks
south zealot
its kinda dumb how easy it is for some classes to snap threat
and warlocks can do literally 200k dps and not pull a single enemy
obviously they do a lot of small hits and not huge bursts
cobalt grove
Still waiting on that threat dump that isn't death for my warrior
lofty widget
its just that the main dmg of warlocks come from pets
south zealot
playing with a warrior dps without tricks is a lil troll
tropic gorge
I ran some normal sod last week. The other tank had ilvl 298 or some shit. I couldn't do anything to hold agro from him. I think I was 30 or 40 ilvl under him. It was insane. Taunt drop, lose threat lol
south zealot
tricks/md
lofty widget
Still waiting on that threat dump that isn't death for my warrior
shadowmeld
south zealot
its just that the main dmg of warlocks come from pets
was talking about destro mostly
cobalt grove
I am a proud highmountain tauren sir. Nothing against alliance at all, but I'm partial to horde.
tropic gorge
Mmmm steaks
urban portal
Pets are so op
south zealot
its like 30-40% infernal
still its dumb how warlocks can never pull threat and frost dk, warrior and ret for some examples can use one ability and snap
frostwyrms, spear, divine toll
tropic gorge
I kinda wish the 4pc bonus was rolled into avatar as a base ability
Or like, the next ss after using avatar is x percent higher
south zealot
we get outburst in talent tree
just have to use a point
itll be nice with UF as wel
tropic gorge
I am gonna give it a couple more days or a week or so to see how our talents shake out
Having outburst as a talent will be very nice
south zealot
yeah, just entered beta so there is things to change
tropic gorge
Yup yup.
cinder storm
Gl on vaults
lusty tiger
+++
sick sentinel
vault of boring
cinder storm
got a shit vault
tropic gorge
My vault is set to arms. Daddy needs a 2h. Bet anything I get top tier tank gear in it
sonic crag
Ran workshop about 30 times so far for this. I'm snagging it.
plain flower
What should I get? I have logic loop recursion in my bags too. https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Lavishpapii
tropic gorge
Ran workshop about 30 times so far for this. I'm snagging it.
Damn that's a lot of haste
Zoom zoom
I have the crit mech ring. Royally pissed off some ret when I got it lol
dawn canyon
What should I get? I have logic loop recursion in my bags too. https://raider.io...
Whirlwind on bars 
drifting fable
dang 2 overclocking 304s 
plain flower
recursion+overclocking is bis
Yeah right but that reactive defence matrix 😮 As well
lofty widget
should buy that with dinars
drifting fable
what is your dinar situation liek?
cuz that ring is a pain in the ass to farm sometimes
and you can get RDM guaranteed
and heroic upgrade it guaranteed
plain flower
what is your dinar situation liek?
I need two fated raid bosses then im getting old warriors soul
drifting fable
any plans for the other dinars?
plain flower
any plans for the other dinars?
no plans
drifting fable
idk gonna be hard pressed to find a reason to pass on the 304 bis ring
especially since you already have recursion
if it means you have to wait another week for RDM id do it
plain flower
Whirlwind on bars <:critcake:984549832511344640>
ikr i barely use it
sonic crag
Damn that's a lot of haste
Finally at 40% haste unbuffed
dawn canyon
You use it???
drifting fable
ikr i barely use it
theres a reason for that
take RDM if you want. IMO the ring is the harder thing to farm and you cant farm it at a 304
not to say a 304 is much off from a 298 but still
sonic crag
Opposite. You can literally farm Workshop all day everyday and possibly get the ring
you only get like 3 chances once every 3 weeks for RDM
plain flower
@drifting fable ty 🙂
drifting fable
im considering dinars when i say RDM is guaranteed
of course
hence why i asked what they had plans for their dinars
toxic pewter
whoa.. .whirlwind on the 1 slot...? jesus christ...
plain flower
okay ill take it off
drifting fable
that is true you should do that
plain flower
Stop looking at that pls
toxic pewter
if it was likt ALT 1 thats one thing
drifting fable
we never need that button haha
plain flower
@toxic pewter what would you get
I asked Bbuingclap he told me overclocking bit band too
south zealot
yoyoyo
south zealot
What should I get? I have logic loop recursion in my bags too. https://raider.io...
what are these bars
i love seeidng everyones keybinds
if you get haste ring set do that
rdm is good too
lusty tiger
That whirlwind keybind tho
south zealot
everyone post keybinds
lusty grotto
i guess im snagging legs
drifting fable
seems like it lol
lusty grotto
granade and decanter are appealing but
lusty tiger
lusty grotto
i already have decanter
south zealot
301 and 291 bedge
south zealot
wtf is ur revenge button
lusty grotto
facts
south zealot
why is nothing on 2 
lusty tiger
Because I have 1 to spam
It is my heroic strike keybind
I had nothing to fill
This is how I… hand
lusty tiger
I use palm for ctrl
alpine frigate
is a 298 bis cloak better than a 304 not even close to bis shield?
lusty grotto
304 shield????
sour junco
What stats do we go for besides ilvl as prot?
lusty grotto
i mean jesus
south zealot
is a 298 bis cloak better than a 304 not even close to bis shield?
304 shield
lusty grotto
what shield is not bis at 304
south zealot
What stats do we go for besides ilvl as prot?
haste
other stats dont matter so much
stack haste haste haste
sour junco
Just feeling a little squish
south zealot
if you had haste on both, go vers for tank, crit for damage
sour junco
Hence why i was wondering if just stacking verse would help
lusty grotto
read pins
sour junco
M+
alpine frigate
ok just checking xD
lusty grotto
sour junco
I didn't mean the shrouded buff
south zealot
what key level
sour junco
Tried a 16 grimrail
Felt like some packs I didn't take damage and others I was pingponging
south zealot
grimrail is very easy to get oneshot by fire
sour junco
Ye, it was moreso the last pack that scared me off
With the lightning shields and that
south zealot
gotta kick those
lusty grotto
kick shield
west kayak
My vault has a couple upgrades, one item is the trinket "Inescapable Dread" at 304. I already have OWS/RDM at 285.
sour junco
I know, but didn't expect to take that much damage from them
Are we bad vs magic or something?
When reflect is off
south zealot
My vault has a couple upgrades, one item is the trinket "Inescapable Dread" at 3...
your trinkets should be better
hes
yes
prot is notoriously bad vs magic
sour junco
That would explain it then
compact hinge
how good is the junkyard shield for us? i got one in vault today
sour junco
I expected it to be better vs magic
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter, you still kick shields
you have IP, demo, wall, fleshcraft to deal with magic outside of SR
south zealot
how good is the junkyard shield for us? i got one in vault today
if its higher ilvl than what you have its good
lusty grotto
it is relatively worse than other tanks but still very much manageable
south zealot
if its even ilvl its bad
compact hinge
gotcha
sour junco
Spell reflect being able to reflect more would help a lot tbh or an increased duration but not being able to reflect
lusty grotto
kickable magic dmg isnt a problem at all, if you have problems kicking dont pull all of the seers at the same time
sour junco
Tell that to the hunter
fossil spindle
Is the Reaver of Renewed Resolve wep good? i have Blade of Grievous Harm from M+ currently and its 291 IL currently..
still turtle
i pull that trash into the boss room. more room to move and avoid the ground effects
sour junco
Or warrior that wants to blast his spear into everything
still turtle
the previous* boss room
sour junco
Let's not assume dps don't stealth pull to get more of their cd's off and then ignore kicks
south zealot
Is the Reaver of Renewed Resolve wep good? i have Blade of Grievous Harm from M+...
what weapon is that
lusty grotto
either way that's not gonna be an issue in DF :0
south zealot
can you show picture
fossil spindle
can you show picture
yeah 1 sec
sour junco
either way that's not gonna be an issue in DF :0
Tell
lusty grotto
i would assume dps doesnt stealth pull at 15+
sour junco
15 is still riddled with monkeys
south zealot
you dont consistently get good players until youre in 24s + and even then there is still issues
sour junco
I find lower keys to be harder to time than higher
lusty grotto
nah
lofty widget
if youre pugging youre never safe from bad players
south zealot
pick whatever is higher ilvl @fossil spindle
still turtle
eh,
lusty grotto
i get competent players at 15+
south zealot
I find lower keys to be harder to time than higher
to a certain extent yeah
sour junco
Because the higher you go the less chance you get zug zug players
still turtle
if youre pugging youre never safe from bad players
this
lofty widget
ya just saying bad players exist at all key lvls
sour junco
If you tell us you never get incompetent players in 15's you're straight up lying
Or you do 1 key a week
tropic gorge
Or warrior that wants to blast his spear into everything
So, me
lusty grotto
never getting bad players would be str8 up impossible
sour junco
To be fair, when tanks underpull like all dungeon it's frustrating and you lose so much time
lusty grotto
just saying never is an extreme
sour junco
But some players think everything should be mdi pulled meanwhile have their interrupt or cc unbound
still turtle
^^^^^
lusty grotto
so be prepared, you have wall
south zealot
i always pull what i can handle
fossil spindle
pick whatever is higher ilvl <@546731799837933570>
they would both be the same IL, 291, but the sword is upgradeable cuz its a M+ item, should i just stick with that then?
tropic gorge
I do like mdi type pulls in some places. But I personally prefer the slow and steady approach
south zealot
they would both be the same IL, 291, but the sword is upgradeable cuz its a M+ i...
yeah if u can upgrade it, keep the one u have
fossil spindle
cool ty
sour junco
I do like mdi type pulls in some places. But I personally prefer the slow and st...
Gambit is the ultimate mdi pull
south zealot
nah gambit is sus asf if peopme arent kicking
sour junco
No chance of screwing it up if you have atleast 1 or two people ccing the scalebinders
tropic gorge
Yeah places like gambit it's fine
south zealot
idk if ive ever seen a warlock kick on the first pull of gambit
tropic gorge
You kinda have to
south zealot
same with surv hunter
sour junco
People not timing 20+ gambits due to not stunning the fish sticks
Spending 15 minutes on the first zone alone due to healing murlocs
actually funny
tropic gorge
I'd rather chain pull and keep pulling. Mob about to die? Pull the next etc and keep a good pace throughout the run
lusty tiger
Did my first 20 yesterday
lusty grotto
why people
lusty tiger
Was a gambit
tropic gorge
I've had very good luck
lusty grotto
fear on cd? shockwave again
tropic gorge
Omg fear for an interrupt
south zealot
like what are u doing
tropic gorge
"why did you fear?!"
lofty widget
fish sticks going through? sure ill pad some more
tropic gorge
"because you don't kick and Mines on CD"
sour junco
Technically
lusty grotto
wdym why did you fear
sour junco
You do more damage
lusty grotto
it breaks like instantly
dire tulip
Is there an issue with banner and SoD?
dire tulip
I can do minute to near 2 minute banners easily, but I have noticed that I don't get regular banner durations in sanctum sometimes.
south zealot
are u holding agro
dire tulip
Yes
south zealot
are u using demo shout and LS well
drifting fable
some fights are easier than others sure but it wouldnt be the raid
dire tulip
Every place but sanctum is fine.
lofty widget
only really painshmith where you drop banner
lusty tiger
only really painshmith where you drop banner
Sooooo incredibly cringe of a fight
drifting fable
ant intermission
dire tulip
I don't even think I got the regular banner duration. I know I slammed it, but demo plus avatar and last stand and it was gone super fast.
lusty tiger
Sometimes in the pizza boss u can get funky dances
lofty widget
theres really no way for us to tell withot logs
tropic gorge
I like the long swing animation that pain Smith has. Hearing the block sound after his long swing is super satisfying
lusty tiger
And have messed up my banner like that
lusty tiger
I like the long swing animation that pain Smith has. Hearing the block sound aft...
Like jailer
tropic gorge
Mhm
dire tulip
It was the boss after pizza. The one with the orbs.
drifting fable
if you know for a fact it isnt your rotation, make sure you didnt get unity bugged
tropic gorge
"try again bitch!" *block soubds
dire tulip
How does unity bug?
drifting fable
other than that, cant tell you without a log
if you swap loadouts with the in game equipment manager it happens sometimes
fossil spindle
wait, why does the Heroic token from sire for a weapon i got at 291 but theres another that also says heroic thats 298???
dire tulip
I don't do that. I have only had issue in sanctum honestly. Everywhere else is just fine.
lusty grotto
because you didnt get the token from sire
fossil spindle
oh
lusty grotto
you got it from the other fights
fossil spindle
oh i understand, my b
minor helm
wait, why does the Heroic token from sire for a weapon i got at 291 but theres a...
There’s a weapon token from council and sire
edgy bone
What is better, Leech or avoidance
drifting fable
leech
south zealot
leech is super good on warrior
drifting fable
edgy bone
any good tank trinkets in jailer raid?>
south zealot
no
south zealot
nic9 dud9 i got 304 legs with 80 leech
gz
opaque hearth
51% haste with ITF (not including OWS), should I just use ravager full time?
drifting fable
what is it without ITF
opaque hearth
in raiding
lusty tiger
Only for dungeons
opaque hearth
37 i think
lusty grotto
no, stick with ITF for raiding
opaque hearth
OK thank you
vernal vale
only really painshmith where you drop banner
Sylv makes you drop banner as well. Fatescribe can depending on how quickly adds die compared during rune phases.
lofty widget
youll have banner up whenever youre fighting stuff on sylv
viral axle
im looking at using my second and third dinar this week since i missed a week of raiding, i got OWS first and was thinking either RDM or aegis (wanting to use 3rd dinar on maybe a gavel) i have done keys up to 23 so far and looking to cap out at most at 25 what wouid be the better choice? or should i just get both and swap as needed?
sick sentinel
best ring BTW
vernal vale
im looking at using my second and third dinar this week since i missed a week of...
RDM
light ermine
304 stun grenade or 304 choker just for the ilvl
wispy mantle
Probably been asked before, but 291 RDM or 298 Codex?
lusty grotto
wispy mantle
@lusty grotto Wow turns out the pins are useful, haha thanks mate
distant crystal
best ring BTW
Always so sad to see people with rings enchanted with a stat that's not on the ring lol
sick sentinel
if i get sleeped and i have SB do i effectively not have SB
drifting fable
304 stun grenade or 304 choker just for the ilvl
what are your other trinkets
iirc the stats on the choker suck
like crit mast or something
light ermine
already have warriors soul and aegis. so i figured the grenade is probably bad
drifting fable
grenade is good for damage honestly
but those other trinkets are better in higher keys ye
tough choice haha
whats your current neckb
?
light ermine
neck would be a big ilvl upgrade but it would be losing haste vers
lofty widget
can always take sockets
drifting fable
if your current neck is 298 it wont be that much of an upgrade, and potentially a downgrade with haste lost
so yeah either grenade for the memes or sockets prolly
grenade would be good in keys where you dont need aegis
tbh
light ermine
the neck is 278 so it pretty low
strong forum
i mean with just playing m+ you can easily get a 298
drifting fable
raid neck i assume?
strong forum
picking the most immediate upgrade from vault isnt always a good thing
especially with how farmable 298s are
light ermine
i just haven't been able to replace it since my shaman is the main
last pebble
i can buy a new dinar piece, Aegis or matrix?
drifting fable
matrix probably, more use cases than aegis
last pebble
yeah
lusty grotto
spoiler
last pebble
both of thoser options are there lol
last pebble
Yeah i awas asking between the 2 on the list
lusty grotto
its in the intended order
last pebble
well who is supposed ot know that
lusty grotto
i suppose they should edit it and make it clear
frigid gulch
Hi guys, min ilvl for SL m0 tanking?
drifting fable
uh
drifting fable
like sub 200 probably lmao
frigid gulch
Nice, thanks
sick sentinel
drifting fable
you could probably get carried in 2s for better loot
undone verge
still getting removed from groups for being a prot warrior 
undone verge
fr
lusty grotto
welp that still hasnt happened to me
undone verge
'need more magic defense'
like I dont think he realizes you can spell reflect the missles on medivh and not get the debuff
also we do the most dmg of any tank on last boss
lusty grotto
so was this last night or something lol
undone verge
no like 20 seconds ago
undone verge
and its only a 20 too lmao
lusty grotto
i think you dodged a bullet
dawn canyon
lmao their loss
undone verge
fr
rocky kraken
so is reprisal just so much better that we cant run any other leggo?
rocky kraken
dawn canyon
so is reprisal just so much better that we cant run any other leggo?
there is a SINGLE exception for high enough kara uppers
undone verge
SR GOD
plush prism
I have been punished. For what, I do not know, but I have been punished
austere jolt
is Splintered Heart of Al'ar any good for prot right now?
drifting fable
only for its usage as a cheat death at giga high keys
if you arent in danger of dying there are many better choices
austere jolt
Im pushing 20s right now. But dont know if its worthgrabbing the 291 or just getting a vers haste cloak
drifting fable
is the cloak a 304?
austere jolt
it is
drifting fable
thats probably more worth it to you at this level
austere jolt
I am currently cunning a Solesh and Gernade as tank seeing as i cant get anything els
drifting fable
have you spent your dinars yet?
austere jolt
I just came back 2 weeks ago so i can grab something this week
its Old warriors soul correct?
plush prism
grenade for dps
there's like so many better trinkets though
drifting fable
our BIS trinkets are all sanctum trinkets so youll be able to get a good one with a dinar
yeah, OWS, reactive defensive matrix are both good
dawn canyon
there's like so many better trinkets though
fury and arms like grenade in keys
austere jolt
ccopy that thank you. Ill probabby just pick up the cloak
austere jolt
I got lucky the last two weeks and got weapon/shield at 304 already
drifting fable
dang nice 
plush prism
sims really well
is Bloodmallet not reliable? Seems low af on the chart