everyone is happy
#protection
lofty widget
south zealot
well you balance things against content and other classes
chrome falcon
south zealot
tier list is
bdk
prot prot brew
vdh bear
imo
but unless youre doing super high keys it doesnt matter at all
dawn canyon
what's your tierlist for DF
Not enough info
dawn canyon
Havent looked into it enough
lofty widget
warrior>everything else
dawn canyon
Like i couldnt tell you what bear gets
Since they change it all the time
So my tierlist would be dogshit guesswork
cobalt seal
you can leave what you dont know
dawn canyon
Warrior high A
dawn canyon
BDK looks like B+
cobalt seal
I know what the tier list for SL is
south zealot
in my defense im working rn so im distrwcted
cobalt seal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
south zealot
i havent looked at bear at all
south zealot
and ive never played vdh so idk how that goes theorycraftinf wise
so ranking for me wouldnt be remotely accurate
i think prot war has the best tree of every spec tho
dawn canyon
Think so
toxic pewter
if they just kept the original bdk nerf and didnt nerf guardian as much tank balance would be super good right now
tropic gorge
mm taz gambit 16. got ++. 74% sb uptime
toxic pewter
nice
dawn canyon
What's Banner uptime
toxic pewter
group be like 'need brez tank' LOL just say you want a bdk jesus christ
tropic gorge
i run kyrian
tropic gorge
o
dawn canyon
NL is way more dam especially when shit starts to live more than 20 seconds
tropic gorge
i got RDF out of fated normal last night. i was excited
big ilvl upgrade and stats obv over what i was using (aegis from s2)
south zealot
2 million damage????
lament shell
guys how to deal with shared suffering on a super high key?
lofty widget
all stack with a cd, soak with 1 other guy who immunes the hit, leap out
lament shell
leaping out just delays it
lofty widget
yes but he will mount his horse
south zealot
on fort i say soak it
on tyran its rough
id say try leaping it for sure
i can never get it to work tho lmaoo
lament shell
im getting cheat death trinket before the run
south zealot
pretty sure if you die “too hard” you dont cheat
probably to stop people from cheesing shit like rygelon enrage
icy flax
i run kyrian
After trying and getting used to NL I highly recommend picking it up, the rage gen is much more fun Than spear+ the damage you're giving the group with the mastery
south zealot
accidentslly went as kyrian in lfr
its so nuch less fun
the rage is so so so nice
lament shell
hm.. sunking trinket resets but does dmg to friends
fatescribe trinket doesnt reset and doesnt do dmg
which on bis ?
south zealot
wdym doesnt reset and doesnt do damage
strong forum
^
mortal brook
Either can crit heal as well
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Ambition cutting it close on the 35 jy +2 
Getting farmed by china RMTers
south zealot
zul gamux in jy is so banned
oblique garnet
The grievious was fucking them so hard on the first pull 
south zealot
still wish they either had 5 casters or just 5 “average” key pushers
like maybe guildies who do like 22-25s max
cinder storm
https://wago.io/hIC40OZdZ This is the best route I can come up with if one wants to skip zulgamux on streets, but one would need a hunter to feign on the pat pack with the 2 infiltrators, infiltrators in some pack lose social aggro once they change. Like in ID last pack on the left, if a hunter pulls and feigns one can also pull that infiltrator
I was running a 27 streets last night and we were so chill on time, about to time then one dps lost internet.....sad days ahead as I ll be out for the rest of the weekend
One thing my priest notice is how they have higher vision when mind soothed than regular mobs
Also, infiltrators stop patrolling if they are in a patrol pack as most know making them safe to pull depending where the hunter feigned
south zealot
pulling blasters 1 by 1
respectable
wtf they almost got aoe oneshot
without power word shield the priest dies
south zealot
dude i legit had a 300k hp wipe on fatescribe yesterday
fatescribe heroic
so tilting
cinder storm
on my pug fatescribe we got to the point were we had to eat shadows and use cds there, made the kill smoother after like 10 wipes, thing is people come and go
onyx vessel
Tunneling too hard
sonic crag
That's my love/hate relationship about raiding. Watching 18 do something well and dying cause 2 people are bad.
Very rewarding when it works. Super frustrating when it doesn't
cinder storm
also, dont pug on the weekends, too many alts on weekends, most tryhards are on weekdays
south zealot
alts are fine
you have the dad/mom gamers on weekends
which are fine
but makes lfr hard sometimes
echo didnt 2 chest 35
cinder storm
cant ignore mechanics or bypass them if ppl are low geared
south zealot
hmm
cinder storm
if you have skills and low gear its fine, most ppl dont have both
dawn canyon
dude 37 fort zulga has to be the most illegal mob there is
dawn canyon
run and gun also sussy
south zealot
or 37 zul gamux
chrome falcon
37??
they're doing 37 jy??
it's so funny that "2 chest/3 chest" is still the common lingo
when multiple chests were in the game for literally once patch
cinder dirge
For high keys (27 and above) would you rather have 40% haste and 20% vers or 30% haste 30% vers ? (taking into account you use OWS)
chrome falcon
is 10% haste the same rating at 10% vers
i would rather just have whatever is the most rating
but also
haste > vers
agile pumice
10% haste at 10% Dr is 367 rating 10% vers is 400 rating
chrome falcon
more stats > better stats
but haste owns
i have like 8% vers rn
might be an issue if i ever end up in 27+ but hasn't been an issue in 25-26
lofty widget
uptime is kinda pointless, but a good blocked hit % is +80
forest cairn
How can you track blocked hits ?
lofty widget
can only see it in logs
forest cairn
ahh :/
late notch
What is the best way to handle defensives on Medivh in higher keys?
chrome falcon
bring enough kicks that you can use yours for missiles
SR the last tick to avoid the debuff
use fleshcraft even if he's not doing missiles
can be good sometimes
since the shield will be up until the next missiles
bc you can dodge bolts
onyx briar
Ravager or into the fray for m+? I'm at 30% haste unbuffed
mellow bridge
ravager
lofty widget
rav
chrome falcon
ravager always haste doesn't matter
onyx briar
Gotcha, thanks!
chrome falcon
sorry just to clarify
haste doesn't matter when considering ravager vs itf
haste owns overall obviously
iron ravine
hi guys, just a quick question, is the mechagon shield with the proc the best shield for prot warr?
iron ravine
sick, thanks =]
south zealot
whatever shield is the highest ilvl is your best shield
if its tied you want 2 stats instead of the mechsgon one
late notch
bc you can dodge bolts
How do you dodge bolts?
late notch
Ok
chrome falcon
leap is the easiest
just do a full range leap with like 0.5 sec left on inferno bolt cast
ezpz
lofty widget
soo is there some aggro reset on attumen when he goes back on his horse?
lofty widget
had melee die twice to mounted strike while i was in melee now
thats a dumb mechanic lol
chrome falcon
"Attumen the Huntsman
Midnight's Stamp will no longer be cast on a nearby target if their current target is out of range."
the funny thing is they fixed one of them
but not the othe
shut summit
they said they did but its still wonky ye
Mounted Strike will no longer be cast on a nearby target if his current target is out of range.```just when horse is glowing purple or w/e they hafta be careful
south zealot
the bleed guys in grimrail still drop agro
strong forum
its about 20dps
edgy bone
lol
edgy bone
haste neck is better
ty
dire tulip
It doesn't seem like you actually pay anything for it at least. It isnlike the shock staff from junkyard.
drifting juniper
Mechagon workshop last boss giga zap doing ungodly damage
srsy what is this
it killed our mage on top of his shield
it does 87k
south zealot
damn i just watched the end of tgp bc i missed the last hour and holy fuck dude monka got griefed
tender cove
Is there a rage bar WA you could recommend? Just a plain rage bar with number on it and if is possible for prot warr, also an anticipated incoming rage to try and judge overcapping. Anything like that you can recommend?
lofty widget
https://wago.io/BetterPowerBar/15 i just use a slightly modified version of this
cant really anticipate rage, depends what button you press?
just gotta learn how much each spell gives with LS/outburst etc
sick sentinel
lfr couldn't do the 4 pizza slices boss either
wiped to that one too
have to get 1 dinar i figure
drifting fable
prolly soulrender
muted jolt
In 20+ and higher should I kick Piercing Missiles on mediev?
lusty tiger
Kick, sr+sw, kick, repeat
dense cradle
yeah was soulrender
muted jolt
So kick one, use CD's, kick one?
dense cradle
never pressed taunt cuz i kept ripping threat off the dk tank
lusty tiger
So kick one, use CD's, kick one?
Yeah
Just make sure you reflect the debuff on the one you don’t kick
muted jolt
I'm playing my prot pally atm
lusty tiger
Well…
misty coyote
This is the warrior discord lol
lusty tiger
Why would you do something like that
dense cradle
i had to shieldwall in lfr cuz he couldnt pull threat off me
during banner avatar
lusty tiger
That is every bossfight for me in my guild
dense cradle
i mean i could have sworn bdk does more damage
bears only exist every 3mins
i havent seen a monk tank in raid forever so no idea how they do now
speed taunt is such a useful tool though
vernal vale
i mean i could have sworn bdk does more damage
On aoe dk will beat you for sure but execute single target means you can slap on dks
Also remember LFR players are a type of player that do not do thing optimally.
My alt was topping meters in LFR without actually having gear. Just about how you play.
dense cradle
yeah definitely its entirely that
i just recalled bdk damage being really high in general these past 2 seasons
esp w/ gavel
One day they'll bring back vengeance and I can outdps actual dps
vernal vale
One day they'll bring back vengeance and I can outdps actual dps
I do this without vengeance
Literally had a member of my guild categorize our raid team into two categories. Those above me and those below me.
Execute is stupid good for going up on meters.
dense cradle
Literally had a member of my guild categorize our raid team into two categories....
I mean that's only our bear on aoe when his cds are up
besides boomies losing to him on half the fights creating the meme guardian is the real druid dps spec
But there's prob only a small handful of specs that beat bears on mass aoe with cds
vernal vale
I mean that's only our bear on aoe when his cds are up
I mean you can get silly and go I to a normal
vernal vale
vernal vale
big pump tho
That's mythic 9
vernal vale
tho i hope those two hunters down there were dead
It wasn't the cleanest kill but at least one of those hunters basically learned he was playing the spec entirely wrong.
agile pumice
playing bm wrong 💀
dense cradle
“theres a way to play bm wrong?”
vernal vale
Apparently didn't have beast cleave damage at all.
dense cradle
lmfao
i’ve been exclusively surv since end of legion
outside of doing magetower
💀
vernal vale
I don't play hunter I couldn't tell you how or what he was doing wrong but his numbers jumped in keys this week learning he was playing wrong.
vernal vale
Yeah hence he was playing it wrong.
vernal vale
Guardian druid puts me to sleep
undone verge
Guardian is so boring lmao
mortal brook
:sadbear:
rotund cliff
guardian is a hard spec, its hard to stay awake while playing it
cinder storm
One button simulator
queen hemlock
just got aegis shard from a nice dh but em
what am i suppose to sim to see which combination is better using it
mortal brook
lock it in if you're simming the other slot
queen hemlock
ok sorry i mean to say how do i test survival sim
and or em
what is the other bis with it
chrome falcon
you can't sim for survival
if you have to ask this stuff
you don't need aegis
aegis is 27+
just go rdm+ows
aegis so overkill in most content
queen hemlock
ah oke
but its the only one i have
the other id have to purchase
only trink from raids i have right now are first sigil and aegis, so currently wondering what to purchase upgrade etc etc
chrome falcon
RDM+OWS
limpid pawn
RDM adds to survival significantly though right
ocean yoke
yes but as a more consistent thing rather than a burst one like aegis
vernal vale
RDM is an over time passive bit of mitigation and damage.
Aegis is an on demand CD to survive lots of hits incoming.
urban portal
in raid neither are PARTICULARLY amazing
rdm pumps insane dps and hps but thats over the course of a fight
and aegis is good if the boss puts a dot
balmy canyon
How does scars stack up for prot warrior in raid? Assuming you aren't concerned about surviving or taking excessive damage?
urban portal
As good as it sims
lusty grotto
i have the worst luck with yard ring jesus christ
never seen it drop even for other people
obsidian girder
Morning, fury and arms has recommended items to buy with dinars in pinned. Can't find em for prot. Is there anything recommended ?
obsidian girder
Ah thanks, kinda too early to get my eyes fully open
undone verge
I mean u can clear stacks but idk
It’s magic dam so it’s pretty annoying to deal with
lament shell
bdks parry shared suffering ?
fallen belfry
I'm playing my prot pally atm
Medivh is the only m+ boss where I miss my prot pally. Shit is brutal without a million kicks.
tropic gorge
I think today I'm going to try to lfg heroic fated sod
lament shell
not million kicks but 3. nah actually you just need a r shaman
sick sentinel
i dont have any s4 gear on my warrior buy 273 ish ilvl and 1 dinar
can't get a second what do
red siren
Hi i have a problem on moroes, it's very hard to pull mob one by one .... did u let people kick for u or u kick ur selfef ?
dawn canyon
like the casts from the guests?
dawn canyon
you will not be able to get all the kicks so your DPS should also kick them
especially if you heroic throw them out its best for a ranged to kick them
since you prolly cant even reach the guest in question
red siren
So it's better to charge into pumell ?
dawn canyon
charging them seems good yea
red siren
problem of charging them for kick is sometimes guest don't cast immediatly
so i can't stay on top of stairs waiting for a kick cause i can't use my spell
south zealot
id say just pull the casters first with a pug
its harder for them to fuck up the kick if u tell them its the first thing they have to do
lusty tiger
What are good dps numbers on average for prot
Depending on dungeon, and if you’re playing right, 14-18k dps overall
Junkyard/lower Kara there’s people pushing 18k but streets we will not likely have that sort of dps
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jfTvhPKy3m1CDRdr#fight=12&type=damage-done&source=12
Hey guys im having an issue with my rotation
It is so good I keep pulling threat from the other tank so I had to stop
Check out my sick parse ^^
sonic crag
Does anyone know where I can see the entire loot tables for all Season 4 dungeons? The in-game dungeon guide is not at all helpful for the older dungeons.
drifting fable
you can use droptimizer on raidbots and that has a pretty decent layout of all the loot available
sonic crag
I'll check it out, thanks. It would be great if it was in the game, or at least a full list published somewhere too
drifting fable
that would be nice but oh well
onyx vessel
quality 24% banner uptime key 
lusty tiger
Oh I got that much?
onyx vessel
@jagged pier https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gxp6kzaGq9AjwBfP#fight=1&type=summary roast me
drifting fable
were you just afk or?
onyx vessel
lusty tiger
I was told to stop attacking
onyx vessel
drifting fable
i didnt even look at yours i meant the 0 parse lmao
lusty tiger
Because vdh couldn’t hold threat
lusty tiger
Yeah
onyx vessel
i hate tanks who cant hold threat
drifting fable
why do i remember you saying something like this before lol
onyx vessel
i hate a pwarr for sire last week man did 3k overall
drifting fable
like this exact situation
lusty tiger
I convinced him to try for guardian because I said I needed sw back up asap
lusty tiger
like this exact situation <:keks:936231610850897992>
This might be my 3rd time complaining about it in here
onyx vessel
I convinced him to try for guardian because I said I needed sw back up asap
good idea
drifting fable
bro.. this is mythic raiding… it should take about 3 seconds to say to the raid leader “yeah i should not have to parse 0 to drop threat”
lusty tiger
Still pulled every purging protocol
onyx vessel
threat isnt dmg based
drifting fable
uh well it is and isnt
lusty tiger
Well I was also semi trolling because tilted
drifting fable
true i think 0 parse is excessive, but i also understand making a point
lusty tiger
But I mean u see his dam
drifting fable
the fact the comment was made “stop dpsing” is insane
onyx vessel
tell them it straight if its fucking mythic git gud or fuck off.
lofty widget
heroic throw 4.6 cpm
onyx vessel
heroic who cares
lusty tiger
heroic throw 4.6 cpm <:keks:936231610850897992>
XDDDD
onyx vessel
heroic throw 4.6 cpm <:keks:936231610850897992>
hes ready for DF
lusty tiger
He is raid leading but vdh also only has 3 buttons
lusty tiger
Yea
drifting fable
that is new guild material straight up
lusty tiger
Yeah idk what I’m doing for df I just want my mythic tokens
drifting fable
fair
lusty tiger
At least I have raid logs now, having none makes it very hard to join a mythic raiding guild
last pebble
i have 2 trinkets to choose from, eye of command or codex until i can get some better ones, which shuold i choose?
drifting fable
eye of command
naive hatch
What's up with a lot of prot warrs running codex the past few weeks? i thought it wasn't meant to be super good
south zealot
What are good dps numbers on average for prot
depends. if its a mostly ST dungeon likr upper or workshop like 12kish and if its lower or jy around 20kish but it depends on key level too
south zealot
What's up with a lot of prot warrs running codex the past few weeks? i thought i...
its dogshit dont use it
people run whats popular and codex has been popular for a long time
but its a bad trinket bc no mainstat and lackluster effect
naive hatch
i mean these are 29s and 28s i'm looking at
south zealot
on prot warrior you mitigate wayyyy too much damage for it to be useful
patent osprey
Its not a terrible trinket... defensively....
and if you don't raid then its a pretty decent option for high high keys
defensively
south zealot
compared to the sanctum trinkets yes they are
patent osprey
Yeah but ive done sanctum every week, still no OWS or Aegis, so IF i were pushing, then yeah itd be an option
You use what you have
At least Codex is farmable
but if you had BIS gear, you wouldn't run it
its the same question people ask why are ur stats a certain way, its most likely because its the best gear/ilvl you have
not the most optimal, but the most optimal you have at this time
Codex is Bad because its offensively not very good and defensively its ok
where as other trinkets are equal or better defensively but higher offensive
I think people get too focused on "bad" or "Good" where in reality its whats good for that specific content or what your goal is when using it
toxic pewter
Well said
south zealot
Yeah but ive done sanctum every week, still no OWS or Aegis, so IF i were pushin...
dinars are an option. obviously not so much if you multi spec
south zealot
is scars good for prot?
no
naive hatch
i just hate the RDM trinket
south zealot
why?
naive hatch
i've liked aegis more because i feel like it enables me to make wilder pulls
south zealot
I think people get too focused on "bad" or "Good" where in reality its whats goo...
yeah honestly if youre doing 20s or lower you can probably use intellect trinkets and be fine
naive hatch
was just looking at what other people were running and saw the codex pop up more than expected is why i asked :P
south zealot
rdm is just passive damage and healing while aegis is on demand
so its different styles
naive hatch
ya
south zealot
i like aegis too as an oh shit type of thing
lofty widget
aegis is not needed below +28s
south zealot
that is also true
naive hatch
maybe if you're good 😼
nah i find aegis enables me to just pull an extra pack or two for free
sick sentinel
im going with rdm or ows or mog
south zealot
what is mog
sour junco
Am I wrong to think ignore pain is like pretty meh
Considering it's rage cost and only doing low amount absorbed
lofty widget
Considering it's rage cost and only doing low amount absorbed
it is meh, but you still wanna press it a lot to avoid overcapping rage
sour junco
Wouldnt it be better to use the rage on revenge?
south zealot
you only ignore pain if you need it
like shade of medihv bolts
or to not cap rage
strong forum
You spam IP because of the insane amount of rage you generate
south zealot
with banner ravager last stand you will have too much rage to just revenge
strong forum
You can't press revenge often enough to dump rage
south zealot
yep, you will have to spam it
strong forum
You need to press IP to dump rage and maintain banner
sour junco
You can't press revenge often enough to dump rage
Im a major noob when it comes to prot
Idk why, it feels more complicated than other tanks
Just so much to press
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
Ravager - charge - TC - SS - revenge spam
sour junco
SS?
strong forum
Shield slam
sour junco
Ah
sick sentinel
yeah, if i buy a mog with dinar, thats one less item i gotta farm out later
good paladin type shields there, lots of gold
south zealot
fort necrotic spiteful upper
i feel like thats pretty free right
affixes are a lil rough for curator trash
sick sentinel
kinda feel like picking one of these obviously troll trinkets
cinder storm
Yes
sour junco
Is there a weakaura that shouts out when an deflectable thing is being cast on you?
had one from pins but it didnt seem to work
hollow zodiac
Hey guys quick question, we are doing painsmith MM but we don't have enough paladin to bop all weapons on P3
is it possible to go through a bomb with full CDs or impossible?
shut summit
use potion of unhindered passing, go nightfae and soulshape through, leap and hope it works
those are your options basically
hollow zodiac
those are your options basically
thanks 👍
jagged pier
u can marge and run through but u have to time it right
shut summit
true that too
drifting juniper
guys is last pack of workshop skipable by invis now?
i heard it from diffrent sources
sick sentinel
uhhh they changed some mechagon mob to no longer detect stealth
Defense Bot Mk III no longer detects stealth.
dawn canyon
u can now skip last without wl
drifting juniper
THANKS guys
sharp zenith
dawn canyon
ilvl best yea
dusky sentinel
U can jump over that pack btw. Just jump to the top bridge
Are we running into the fray now or what? See some warriors doing it. Dunno if its raid build or what. The dmg of ravager is kinda meh but the rage gen is ace 
mellow bridge
maybe itf could be good for very high jy keys
for a bit more zap dmg
but outside of that you should go ravager for sure
jovial kraken
after the open, do you hold banner for LS again or just send banner on cd?
chrome falcon
banner should still be up
jovial kraken
I did see that in your video, but I am not that skilled yet
mighty valley
just hit banner again if you let it drop
And by god it better still be up when LS returns
Otherwise return to the lab
jovial kraken
lol...fair enough...thanks
oblique garnet
maybe itf could be good for very high jy keys
Nah you would notice lack of ravager fast
last pebble
How come everyone uses indomitable over never surrender? Never surrender seems kinda good
proud dock
any suggesttions for someone doing mostly soloq m+: KY or NF?
chrome falcon
necrolord
chrome falcon
How come everyone uses indomitable over never surrender? Never surrender seems k...
um
indomitable is insane
look at how much healing it does over a key
and it gives 10% hp which is nuts
but anyway the main point that's easy to understand is that IP's cap is very very low
you already overcap IP constantly
NS doesn't increase the cap, you just reach it faster
which is totally useless
also, if you're ever even close to the max never surrender value hp level
then you fucked up really badly
we're not DKs
never surrender is like... astoundingly terrible
urban portal
like
IV
is just never surrender but better
if you want panic buttons IV is more valuable
cinder storm
Last time never surrender had value was for the last two bosses in motherlode, can't remember if it's had any value since
lusty grotto
yeah some tyrannical/fort spicy magic shit
during bfa
still talents werent in the same place
sick sentinel
how are you supposed to beat medivh in upper?
not the fire rings, healer ran out first time and we died, and then birds spawned in, im not sure if there is a trick to that, i did work out after seeing it the fire ring and ice blocks, don't understand what im supposed to do about the ice all over room
lusty grotto
jumpy jumpy (during ice in room)
sick sentinel
chess i still don't really understand it but its seems really 4 head
avoid if you can,
cinder storm
Focus one knight first, then king, if king still alive repeat if kinights dead focus bishops
lusty grotto
is wall enough to soak heroic destiny?
or what is the recommendation
besides wall
nvm
i thought it did giga dmg to the tanks lmao
jaunty pollen
Yo are there any good tank threat addons, and addons that show/tell me which mob is aggroed onto a DPS or healer? So I dont have to alt tab every mob.
sick sentinel
mana wyrm is just boss 3 spires repackaged eh?
don't let it reach 100 and overload
dawn canyon
other way round rather
sick sentinel
i find wyrm way harder, or could be, could be way easier
spires boss 3 was scary sometimes
chrome falcon
they're also not remotely similar
sick sentinel
bunch of balls float at them and and if they reach them the group dies
chrome falcon
that's not what the soa boss does
fallow narwhal
If anything, the first boss of upper is more like spires 3rd boss
snow estuary
Is the shield off of first boss of sepulcher better than any other shield its ilvl because of extra block?
undone verge
no its bad cause it has no stats
modern brook
Mana warm boss sucks cause damage scaling makes my numbers smaller ans that's lame fuck that boss
snow estuary
no its bad cause it has no stats
but stats dont matter on a shield Ilvl does for more block
undone verge
if you got the shield and its an ilevel take it, but if your comparing it against other shields at the same ilevel its bad because passive stats are better than the on use
snow estuary
that shield still gives armor and stam
chrome falcon
huh
yeah i know
i'm just saying that block is not the only reason that ilvl >>> anything for shield
so just "shield has more block" is not a valid reason for it to be good
it's not bad or anything
i did all of 9.2 with it and it was chill
but you never die to blocked hits anyway so
you might as well get stats for more damage
snow estuary
alright thanks
I just heard that Ilvl on a shield is more than anything else almost because of block/armor
urban portal
That’s most of it yeah
chrome falcon
yeah i see your logic for sure
urban portal
It doesn’t actually give that much str/secondaries
chrome falcon
snow estuary
the mob cant kill me if I kill them first
chrome falcon
now you're getting it
urban portal
Like if you want pure damage
snow estuary
I just got a heroic aegis too pog
urban portal
I’m sure 304 chest>304 shield
chrome falcon
i have a few more kills on nine/sylv before i properly cry about no trinkets 2 SoD weeks in a row
snow estuary
just did a run with some friends, had 5 people in there willing to trade the trinket
chrome falcon
half of the dps in my guild are only playing this season to get gear for their tank specs for m+ so i haven't had a trader yet
snow estuary
Also can someone tell me how the reflect for the birds in ID works? I know i can reflect the second cast I just dont know if Im reflecting a dot or if the fire on the ground becomes hostile to them and I can tank them in it
patent osprey
Also can someone tell me how the reflect for the birds in ID works? I know i can...
all u gotta do is walk into the fire with reflect and it'll reflect it back on them
undone verge
man raid tanking is kinda boring lol
patent osprey
for massive damage
undone verge
just waiting for dps to do the fight right
snow estuary
all u gotta do is walk into the fire with reflect and it'll reflect it back on t...
ty best warrior na
lusty grotto
so uh, this is gonna sound like a dumb question
but, the upper skip before chess
you gotta solo pull the dread first right?
or is there a trick to shrouding past hammer mama and dreadlord? distract?
toxic pewter
invis pot all of it
lusty grotto
i swear to god
everytime i ask the group to invis pot or shroud past those
they trigger the dreadlord transform and drop invis
toxic pewter
just watch out for swirlies and dismiss all pet things
yeah in that case just go first and keep running imo
and rez dead people
lusty grotto
so its not like dreads see invis or something, it just triggers the transform right?
toxic pewter
or wait until they all go /die
shroud is harder to perform there for some reason
invis pot much better imo, just be sure dodge green swirlies
lusty grotto
i just think rogues deleted their distract button for some reason
toxic pewter
so its not like dreads see invis or something, it just triggers the transform ri...
yeah for some reason they seeing stealth(not going behind them well)
yeah gotta distract well there
and a lot of rogues are not doing that like you just said
lusty grotto
so invis pot and hugging left edge should be enough?
toxic pewter
I mean invis pot you can literally run through mobs, its stronger than stealth
lusty grotto
oh
toxic pewter
just be sure your little Ooz pet friend is not out
lusty grotto
i forgot about that
toxic pewter
and dodge green swirls
lusty grotto
im guessing people keep getting clipped by swirlies then
toxic pewter
ya thats very common
the entire ordeal sucks tbh
thats why I say go first or last imo
chrome falcon
so its not like dreads see invis or something, it just triggers the transform ri...
dreads transform when they hit combat
someone is pulling through stealth
rogue forgetting distract probs
mortal brook
they doin crap stealth and not proper invis
chrome falcon
or someone getting hit by swirlies
invis is way safer there
but drongos will still get hit by swirly and ninja
:))
oblique garnet
you cant get too close to the pack
low kindle
all u gotta do is walk into the fire with reflect and it'll reflect it back on t...
there are two things you can reflect, fire puddle on the ground and the frontal they cast. The frontal is like 2 or 3 times more damage than the fire puddle reflect.
south zealot
there are two things you can reflect, fire puddle on the ground and the frontal ...
its oneshot either way
just kill wranglers and chain to next
low kindle
it's not the same, if you wanna maximize spell reflect value on those mobs, you should reflect the frontal cast
lofty widget
Nah fire definitely wont kill Them in 1 cast, gotta get the frontal
undone verge
why?
doesnt matter the style of prot, its a commentary on stupid dps who decide to pull for that tank because theyre too slow. Doesnt matter if it applies to you. Personally Im usually on the other end of the spectrum where I pull to big and the dps die. But the mentality described in the meme is one of the major problems with learning to tank and the toxic culture of m+
ionic fern
If a DPS pulls for me i leap away and watch him die.
But je, being a new tank is horrendous.
jagged pier
u pull it u tank it
undone verge
pulled it from a great video about tanking 'as a tank you are the driver, the healer is in the passenger seat constantly checking your speed, the dps are the screaming kids in the back. If you go to fast the healer tells you to slow down, if you got to slow the dps grabs the wheel and drives you into a lamp post'
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gxp6kzaGq9AjwBfP#figh...
TLDR
- blocked hits low
- low APM
- not using repisal
jagged pier
yes but u intervened 13 times
onyx vessel
yes but u intervened 13 times
have you encountered a bug in raid with banner mine keeps instantly falling off if i use it before im in combat not sure why
onyx vessel
undone verge
That feeling when you rip aggro during tank mechanic on mythic guardian
jagged pier
thats why you should always take the first obliterate
cause by the time the second one is over taunt is still on the boss
so u cant rip aggro
undone verge
I usually did, literally just expected to rip aggro lol
Sometimes tho I’d miss last stand or banner off the rip and my opener would be a bit wacky and I wouldn’t have enough to rip off start
ebon geyser
anyone here tested prot in dragonflight?
jagged pier
ebon geyser
<#997237573514690620>
english is hard 
sand drum
👀
hollow zodiac
I mean codex is kinda shit no? he's not wrong
jagged pier
undone owl
tryna get haste / verse belt outta Grim / ID, is that really a thing? or is it a troll?
sand drum
I am curious if poffpoff is the shaman or the warrior
sham :C
sand drum
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550>
mind giving me a rename to "Buzz" :>
lime urchin
God damnit
sand drum
normaly I give ppl skyhold discord in DMs but just cba anymore
lime urchin
I’ll put the popcorn back in the cabinet
jagged pier
mind giving me a rename to "Buzz" :>
i cant
sand drum
I’ll put the popcorn back in the cabinet
nah share some :C
jagged pier
blue names
lime urchin
Do you end all sentences with a C
lime urchin
Ok!
lime urchin
tryna get haste / verse belt outta Grim / ID, is that really a thing? or is it ...
What do you mean?
undone owl
Juggernaut
@lime urchin I've been running ID and Grim to go from 1k valor to 12k valor and havent seen a belt at all
undone owl
not just the one i want.. but any
ionic fern
Sorry.
sand drum
<@518571367566802944>monster wtf
can pretty Mwahi change my name to "Buzz" :>
wintry nymph
I am curious if poffpoff is the shaman or the warrior
kinda wish he was the warrior, would've been an interesting convo here
sand drum
kinda wish he was the warrior, would've been an interesting convo here
would get hunted until end of time :C
lime urchin
No, it would be the same endless copy pasta discussion that occurs here whenever someone mentions codex
sand drum
No, it would be the same endless copy pasta discussion that occurs here whenever...
👀 now you did it
ionic fern
$rename @sand drum Buzz
true pawnBOT
Done.
sand drum
❤️ thx
ionic fern
Well, out of curiosity i went to check that guys logs.
ionic fern
And he had 60% blocked hits with Reprisal and used Intervene 3 times in a 37m dungeon
So get him that Codex, he needs it.
😂
strong forum
If he wants to equip a trinket that makes him squishier.
Go him
sand drum
did blue just aprove of codex 👀
strong forum
Playing with codex is like playing pwar on hardmode
sand drum
Playing with codex is like playing pwar on hardmode
is there ANY tank that WANTS codex unless you do 30s ?
dawn canyon
bdk
sand drum
for like 15-20s ?
sand drum
so dps trinket + codex in their case I guess ?
dawn canyon
stat stick usually
silk pine
is there ANY tank that WANTS codex unless you do 30s ?
Dh probably aswell
strong forum
is there ANY tank that WANTS codex unless you do 30s ?
Only rly dh
Even in 31s bdk doesn't get the better benefit of codex
It's just a comfort pick for them
dawn canyon
well at 31 they go cheat death/ows iirc
south zealot
doesnt matter the style of prot, its a commentary on stupid dps who decide to pu...
oh i sisnt realizs the dps is pulling my bad
people pulling for mw is rhe most annoying thkng
sick sentinel
i didn't get any reccomendations about my single and only dinar, so i decided to buy troll item bargast leash so i can further torment my healers
also, i can just farm out mog later in DF solo/5 man the raid
topaz field
well at 31 they go cheat death/ows iirc
every tgp tank ran codex
lofty widget
2 didn't
topaz field
ye idk if they are dumb or if i am dumb
perhaps they see smth i dont
but i havent found a single log that would convince me
to play codex over rdm
lofty widget
7% mainstat loss.. Should be obvious its bad by now
topaz field
absolutely
whenever i ask them they tell me they are convinced its better
which leaves me speechless
lime urchin
Most people don’t play on a level where loot would matter more than pressing enough buttons.
jaunty pollen
Anyone know how to change the colors of Threat plate?
It shows aggroed green but kinda confusing tbh
sick sentinel
plater lets you change color based on aggro, i do red yellow green stoplight stuff for aggro, green if im tank and have aggro, green if i'm dps and don't have aggro.
sick sentinel
thats true but i don't recall the part where i agreed to spam IP over and over again
undone owl
I mentioned that i have not seen the plate haste / verse belt in here.. i do a grim and i get it. so i'd like to mention i've not yet seen a million dollar lottery ticket.
blazing condor
Anyone know how to change the colors of Threat plate?
It shows aggroed green but...
should be in the settings
in the threat system iirc
should be a tab for it
but i havent looked it up for like a year so idk 😦
jaunty pollen
Ah yeah you're right, didnt notice the threat tab. Thanks
cursive prawn
perhaps they see smth i dont
Codex is farmable, RDM kinda timegated
strong forum
In TGP you don't have to farm anything, you have access to all gear
cursive prawn
Ah, I missed that TGP was the context
jagged pier
Codex is farmable, RDM kinda timegated
eh? u can pug LFR normal and hc every week very easily
and its 10 bosses for a dinar
RDM is a dinar purchase
toxic pewter
When you guys think all 3 raids will be available every week
strong forum
2-3 weeks
sick sentinel
do i drop aggro if i get feared boss 1 id reckles prov
sour junco
Am I weird for finding necrolord easier to use than kyrian
drifting fable
not really, the correct playstyles are very close and youll just be straight up tankier by playing necro well
sour junco
Ye thats what I was trying to say
Now if only people would stop bursting till I gathered aggro
drifting fable
the dps classic
sour junco
On grimrail, im trying to charge into first and add at the end for rage and by the time I leap back the infiltrator is already cleaving on the dps
naive hatch
i haven't gone right side streets since like week 1 it was released, is it still really hard
sour junco
like bro pls it's 2 seconds
lofty widget
i haven't gone right side streets since like week 1 it was released, is it still...
nope really easy
cinder storm
Left side is harder, if you think right side is harder and left is not a problem for you, keep going left
lofty widget
just dodge the huge circle one of the mobs leaves behind from time to time
cinder storm
At some point you won't be able to anymore
mellow bridge
Left is pretty normal in high keys now but you skip the miniboss and dogs
Dino often too
Nothing wrong with right side tho and not really any harder
lofty widget
right side lines up lust for a big pull nicely imo
on fort that is
but idk streets timer feels super free so can do whatever youre most comfortable with
cinder storm
Ya, I've rarely seen people going left on high keys aside from TGP
naive hatch
i know a lot of my friends have started going right
maybe better for uncapped aoe classes?
cinder storm
Right is better for live since you get most haste guys before you deal with the three bosses
Dogs are hard to deal if casts go thru which will happen with pugs, dino is annoying and cats can one shot you if they bite you in the ass on high keys / fort keys
Right has a bomb that can get dispelled, one add that has a tank buster and the ground to watch out, plus as Chimmi said, lust lines nicely with that pack on fort
You activate two RPs at the same time basically by going right
But if you come from left side someone has to run a bit to activate bar rp, it's a few seconds time loss since coming from right you can do infiltrators while someone activate RPs and have another do the mini game
south zealot
every tgp tank ran codex
comparing tgp to regular players doesnt make any sense to me
even if its good at 32s 33s etc. its objectively bad at anything lower
and might not even be best at those super high keys on bdk
south zealot
Left side is harder, if you think right side is harder and left is not a problem...
how is left harder?
sick sentinel
few weeks ago, ran a key with some BDK streets low baby key on my mage, he gets codex, super excited about getting it
and then another key, i guess it dropped for 1 of the 2 shamans i had in group, and paladin was asking for it? im not sure it drops for shamans.... thats what i typed in chat then...
topaz field
comparing tgp to regular players doesnt make any sense to me
it does make a lot of sense if u keep in mind they have access to every gear piece including mythic rdm
south zealot
but codex scales with damage taken
topaz field
yep and u would have to constantly take around 30 k dtps for it to be worth
south zealot
so why would them taking codex matter for regular players
south zealot
they are doing 32s?
cinder storm
how is left harder?
If a dread cast goes thru everyone gets the negative haste, then comes the lava breath where most pugs think a tank can handle it, the hardest part are the cats, they bite hard, you have to move them properly as they tend to get to your sides and since they spawn spread out and dps tend to blast away 0.1s when you taunt one chances are they will rip aggro. But they really hurt in higher keys to the point is not even worth doing them
south zealot
REGULAR players
topaz field
well for them codex is even worse
south zealot
If a dread cast goes thru everyone gets the negative haste, then comes the lava ...
just kick then?
if the bombs on the right go off
people die
its the same thing u have to kick
the cats are just tank and spank the only difficult area is the dino
cinder storm
It's not a "just kick it" it's a matter of comp where most are running with a lock
Bombs are dispellable
cinder storm
A dread goes to the whole party too, bombs go to one player
topaz field
countwise its the same
south zealot
i go left almost every time
cinder storm
And that's ok, once you do higher keys specially on fort, you'll start going right
south zealot
lofty widget
i mean i said it earlier, streets timer is free whatever you do
topaz field
ye exactly
lofty widget
could prob go left AND right and still time
topaz field
but when going left
u have 1 st mob
do i use my 2 min as ww?
or do i w8 for nxt pull
thats giga cringe
if everyone holds on st
but at the same time the 2nd pull will live forever when we go left and i used on the single mob
south zealot
i mean i said it earlier, streets timer is free whatever you do
yeah so i think left is just easier so i go left
track other peopels cds
if other people dont use cds within 5 seconds use yours
topaz field
if u go left u wanna BL menagerie right?
and will u have it for post?
also cringe unless u do a lot of skipping which is kinda hard to do with pugs
cinder storm
I think going left even on a 25 is trolling, you'd have people doing bar with an obnoxious amount of haste by the time you get there, you also probably clear mailroom then do bar RP then come back to mailroom for lust timing is my take?
Either way if it works for you great
But far from my take
Not that we are far from key levels, just my opinion
chrome falcon
both sides are giga free i just prefer the lust timings going right
and don't like risking bad core hound kicks in pugs
south zealot
if u go left u wanna BL menagerie right?
lust first boss, then menagerie, do mailroom trash except last pack go to music, lust mail room
hollow zodiac
Hey guys quick question
mighty hazel
Sometime ago, someone linked a spreed sheet with everything prot warriors could spell reflect and block. Do someone have the link?
south zealot
quick answer
hollow zodiac
I tried to do the heroic leap trick on attumen's shared suffering
south zealot
Sometime ago, someone linked a spreed sheet with everything prot warriors could ...
its in the pinned messages for future reference
hollow zodiac
but the boss just ran after me and redid it an,d killed me
am I doing something wrong?
south zealot
he recasts it
chrome falcon
yeah that's just how the boss works
hollow zodiac
I was expecting him to end the phase before recasting it
or am i wrong?
or int he middle of casting
chrome falcon
sometimes he does idk what causes it
hollow zodiac
ok so the timing is somewhat random and you have to be ready to intervene just in case ?
naive hatch
how the fuck does ignore pain work
hollow zodiac
I can't find a way to reliably gets past this shit
chrome falcon
how the fuck does ignore pain work
can you be specific
because it works the way the tooltip says
but it's a weird ability
south zealot
you take damage
some of the damage is ignored by ignore pain
the rest of the damage you take
chrome falcon
^
if tooltip says 30k then you will ignore 55% of all incoming damage, until you have ignored 30k damage
lofty widget
if it's one hit for 30k yes
lofty widget
i mean you have block+armor reducing dmg before IP
undone verge
doing math for how much dmg reduction you have with everything is fun
30-35% dmg reduction with shieldblock
55% with Ignore pain
20% with demo shout
50% with shield wall
50% physical dmg reduction
dont know the order in which is goes
agile pumice
Does vanguard have damage reduction
undone verge
good point
agile pumice
Def stance too
undone verge
15%
agile pumice
IP comes last, everything else shouldn't matter
agile pumice
Def stance too
Oh this isn't df
raven sluice
does anyone have a Shield slam reset weak aura that i can apply a sound to?
undone verge
yeah the order im guessing for physy dmg would be 20% from demo shout, then 33% from shield block, then the 15% and 50% dmg reduction off of vanguard and armor so 65% of 53.6 so 34.84%, then 50% from shield wall, so 17.42%, then finally 55% from ignore pain, so at this point your taking a little under 10% of the dmg actually being applied
not taking into account things like fleshcraft absorbs, or trinkets like rdm or Aegis
strong forum
dont know the order in which is goes
absorbs go last, rest doesnt matter cuz multiplication math
pallid quiver
^^^ education systems worldwide continue to fail to impart this to the populace smh
mighty valley
Woah that’s like 200% reduction… that means it should heal you
sick sentinel
what do you do about medivh in upper with the fire rings and ice tombs
if people get ice tombed and someone doesn't fire ring them its just get fucked?
mighty valley
coordinate kicks so almost none of them happen
sick sentinel
i figured out you can reflect his "arcane missles" like spell
mighty valley
then if someone gets iced yes, someone needs to fireball them
mighty valley
idk I’m not a paladin
trim bay
ice tomb u need to wait for a fire ring
sick sentinel
am tormenting some healers with barghast leash
i don't really need the OWS or something else that much,
sick sentinel
way i look at it, its a 25% reduction dmg for 30 second for me, long as healer just heals self
mighty valley
there are trinkets that give you enormous damage reduction without damaging your healer
but idk, it’s all for fun
sick sentinel
i've seen this pwar dragon roar vitality helmet only chad
and i said fuck this, im doing whatever i want to do
mighty valley
That’s the spirit
lyric stirrup
Hello, looking for some help/advice please. I have been trying to decide for the last week what to spend my last two Dinars. I have looked at the pins to see what is recommended but I already have whats there or better.
I have:
298 OWS
291 Aegis
304 Arrowbreaker
298 Blade of Grievous Harm
Everything else is a mix of 298 and 304 items from M+
Is there any point in getting an RDM or Salvaged Fusion Amplifier? I don't feel they would get much use when I also have a 304 Secret Technique in my bags most of the time.
Seems like the Dinars are just going to be wasted...? Do I just get a Gavel and First Sigil? I very rarely go Fury.
Thoughts?
drifting fable
thats a soleahs not codex
codex is first technique
but the onyl question really is what lvl of keys are you running
youd be surprised how nice the passive healing/damage is from RDM over Aegis in certain key levels. you wont need the outright defensiveness of aegis until a certain point
dawn canyon
thats a soleahs not codex
ah
drifting fable
other than that its really preference or Sim it out.
dawn canyon
named hard popoiga
mellow bridge
Do you have access to mythic upgrade tokens?
311 shield and weapon are pretty huge too
lyric stirrup
please vendor your codex
Yes, apologies, So'leah's Secret Technique not Codex!
dawn canyon
Yes, apologies, So'leah's Secret Technique not Codex!
i made the mistake all good on your end mate 
lyric stirrup
but the onyl question really is what lvl of keys are you running
Trying to push more in to 20s around the 18 level mostly. Have one 21 timed but probably wont get much higher than that, not through lack of wanting to though mind you.
drifting fable
id say RDM is a very strong choice for at least one of your Dinars then. Aegis Vs RDM in keys is typically a choice point, most would say 20s and stuff are a bit too low for aegis to truly shine, but that also depends on your comfort as a tank
lyric stirrup
Do you have access to mythic upgrade tokens?
Wont be doing any Mythic raids unfortunately 😦
drifting fable
if you have heroic upgrade available I say take RDM on a few spins with OWS/RDM and see how you like it
even more so if you wont be mythic raiding
because then your only good choices are off-spec items like gavel like you were saying
SFA is a pretty good offensive trinket and you could probably run that in raid, but id sim that one
lyric stirrup
if you have heroic upgrade available I say take RDM on a few spins with OWS/RDM ...
Yes, sorry, should have stated that I am clearing heroic raids and can upgrade all the Dinars.
So RDM up to 20s then Aegis in higher keys over 20?
Sounds like a RDM and Gavel then.