psure m guardian like the most puggable one
#protection
vestal moat
How would you guys assign kicks for shade in a pug with no coms with a more ranged comp like prot warrior , holy priest , warlock , survival , mage?
topaz field
first of all you tell your wl to use curse of tongue 99 % of the wl dont know that ability
if you are comfortable on living every piercing missile u and the hunter have kick prio due to shortest cd
chrome falcon
How would you guys assign kicks for shade in a pug with no coms with a more rang...
Ideally you don’t run that comp but basically id just say “mage first frost hunter second me third, warlock save for panic, only kick inferno bolt during flame wreathe”
topaz field
and well its kinda rough to do without voice but mage has a really good kick but due to shifting power its a weird cd
vestal moat
Ok so basically we just solo the missiles somehow
lofty widget
we have a lot of tools to deal with it
dawn canyon
Sr every other for instance
sick sentinel
psure m guardian like the most puggable one
Idk man, things ive seen pugs do on that boss terrify me
shut summit
How would you guys assign kicks for shade in a pug with no coms with a more rang...
biggest thing is the DPS being able to dodge the fireblast which lessens the amount of kicks required, but in a pug god speed
boss is awful in pugs
shut summit
wouldnt surprise me
toxic pewter
How would you guys assign kicks for shade in a pug with no coms with a more rang...
honestly I have found shaman owns for that boss personally, not required obviously, but the 12sec interrupt actually can make a difference. the warlock and mage thats tough their cd is long as hell
spiral warren
How would you guys assign kicks for shade in a pug with no coms with a more rang...
Force you to die
edgy grail
Force you to die
Don’t kick inferno bolt
Unless someone has flame wreath
It’s a healer check
spiral warren
No I want warbean to die
edgy grail
Which most healers aren’t used to given how easy the healing was all in SL
south zealot
TAUREN
sick sentinel
haven't heard of these other 2
south zealot
other 2 are from china
sick sentinel
how is tauren better for huntar? i thought orc was the pet + dmg
i mean, like to say that tauren doesn't compensate/add something in answer?
sick sentinel
360 2 second stun, basically instant, enough said really
edgy grail
i mean, like to say that tauren doesn't compensate/add something in answer?
Pets get double bonus from crit damage racial
uncut dome
I feel medivh is like the one boss i struggle with as prot war, how are you guys managing the fucker?
uneven mason
I feel medivh is like the one boss i struggle with as prot war, how are you guys...
Sr SW sm
uneven mason
Spell reflect, shield Wall and if those are on CD, shit myself
sick sentinel
Ip i guess?
uncut dome
Spell reflect, shield Wall and if those are on CD, shit myself
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
topaz field
u want to spell reflect very late the very last tick
he then doesnt apply the debuff on u
and other than that u rotate defensives and press a lot of ip
uncut dome
Gotta find a wa for that. Cause medivh is like the obly thing that scares me in upper
uneven mason
Lots of ip
uneven mason
Screaming for an external is also a good option
uncut dome
Atleast im happy im not the only one that hates him
urban portal
It’s a dps up to shield block
uncut dome
I just Think the only sb you should get on him is from reprisal
topaz field
sb is 30 % dps increase for your SS
and besides that we have more than enough rage to spend on sb and still have enough to press ip when needed
uncut dome
Ah 😄
south zealot
ambition clutched
edgy grail
You guys think it’s possible to see prot in some of these?
south zealot
no
edgy grail
I’m thinking Upper maybe? 🤔
dawn canyon
Nk
dawn canyon
No*
south zealot
last boss is already the easiest part of the dungeon so making it even easier doesnt really do anything
dawn canyon
Only sense is chad enough to play it
edgy grail
last boss is already the easiest part of the dungeon so making it even easier do...
Yea fair
dawn canyon
Im happy seeing streets in day 1
gaunt ocean
minor helm
mellow bridge
I’m thinking Upper maybe? 🤔
Prot can't live medivh in their keylevel
Curator and manawyrm honestly very sketchy too
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel @gaunt ocean bit too much trolling
oblique garnet
Happens
gaunt ocean
How are you supposed to do beam on last boss
It just spawns on me and double ticks and I die in .2 sec
oblique garnet
How are you supposed to do beam on last boss
it gives a big indicator like 2 seconds before it activates on you
gaunt ocean
Ye but am I just supposed to start running insta or
I thought it was like first boss gambit
oblique garnet
ya go to africa dont stand under boss 
gaunt ocean
TIL
Tried standing still this time and it didn't work
Tried running another time and it didn't work
Ye for sure
dawn canyon
press execute more innit
ele plays necro skybreaker this ssn
its better than last season
but still not it
dawn canyon
its better than last season
consider that last season was negative ST
ankh is the best defensive
gaunt ocean
Idk man after we played with that hunt
Doing 16k in Streets
Also I kinda inted by going aoe build in WS
Should've been full ST
Ye
dawn canyon
nf rend seramoo
south zealot
ele kekw
dawn canyon
i said it was better than last season
oblique garnet
yup
south zealot
any chatters
south zealot
they started the keys 2 levels higher
minor helm
My RL said only classes who get more ST can hit ads on KT last night and he denied being a padder but even with the pad he did 4k boss dps
And he’s an ele sham
south zealot
so even tomorrow keys can be bash head against wall keys
minor helm
Gotta be bad class
dawn canyon
My RL said only classes who get more ST can hit ads on KT last night and he deni...
ele shamans can cleave upstairs very nicely
but like
call it pad man
minor helm
My RL plays it and it’s got Phil’s co-sign
dawn canyon
dawn canyon
theres a reason my ele is retired
minor helm
I’d take 3 tanks before an ele sham
dawn canyon
i have 2 ele shamans in my guild
it fills me with rage
2 ele 2 resto no totem
get matt
dawn canyon
So I can but I don’t do 0 damage
where are u even supposed to CD on kt i got giga confused on it man
minor helm
south zealot
echo not even 2 chesting 29 streets
tropic gorge
Here's an oldie but a goodie
south zealot
tropic gorge
oblique garnet
where are u even supposed to CD on kt i got giga confused on it man
on cd
oblique garnet
honestly no idea
dawn canyon
boss died so fast since hc so kinda whatever
mellow bridge
anyone know how exactly you reflect the flamespitter mobs in iron docks
dawn canyon
anyone know how exactly you reflect the flamespitter mobs in iron docks
stand in the frontal
oblique garnet
anyone know how exactly you reflect the flamespitter mobs in iron docks
You press reflect on and walk to fire
lofty widget
for the blast you stand in front, for barrage you step in fire with reflec t up
mellow bridge
so during the cast
or do i walk into a fire puddle on the ground
like in GD
ah
both work?
lofty widget
yep
both do insane dmg
but if theyre synced you should reflect blast
since it hits both (assuming you pull 2 at atime)
lofty widget
dawn canyon
thats the frontal
south zealot
i just walk into the fire
sand drum
lofty widget
for raids you sim
urban portal
you arent going to die just because you have low vers
silver halo
is this right for raiding?
lusty tiger
Lol
pallid quiver
I'd also say change Crackling Thunder to Bounding Stride most of the time, since it doesn't give you as much potential use unless you're using the range extension for whatever reason
But Ravager to ITF is more important
dawn canyon
oh no more almans
lusty tiger
What is your secret
dawn canyon
minor helm
Tgp
lusty tiger
Ye
oblique garnet
echo gonna disqualify for failing to do ID
dawn canyon
ambition doin really well rn
minor helm
dawn canyon
2nd place CN doin better than 1st on CN i think
echo got 3 29++
key starts 26
thats fine imo
26>29>31
if ur brazy u got all 4 at 31 end of day
urban portal
ye play better
blazing condor
you should double tank it
strong forum
ya flamespitter tech is massive
how high was your fucking key if it did that much dmg
mellow bridge
28
strong forum
hm
sound about right
in our 26 it did 3.5mil combined
i only got 500k for some reason
despite eating it on CD
spiral warren
Which one is flame splitter 🤔
chrome falcon
rylaks
strong forum
the fire birds
spiral warren
I thought it was called something else or are there two different things you can reflect off them
lofty widget
they do about the same dmg
strong forum
if you even get there
strong forum
ya
i had 27ID and as 5tank without any practice besides 2 keys?
lmao no
almost timed the 26 tho if not for an unfortunate stars mishap where 1 entire pack didnt get pulled
chrome falcon
5 tank sounds pretty sick for first 2 bosses though
multiple targets you can get to 20%
strong forum
2nd boss is AWFUL
chrome falcon
then group swaps
strong forum
FUCKING AWFUL
chrome falcon
really?
strong forum
you cant cleave anything
you cant move anywhere
cuz all traps are always in melee
chrome falcon
reprisal on 2nd makes me want to kms tbf
strong forum
2nd boss is the worst in that dungeon
by miles
cuz the ranger is just freecasting 24/7 cuz you cant stand anywhere
and everybody gets perma hit by the melee cleaveguy
lofty widget
you can los him round the corner
oblique garnet
You can all just stand on top of the mobs
And wont get hit by anything
Stand on top of nox
strong forum
and lose banner
oblique garnet
You wont
strong forum
you will
oblique garnet
No
lofty widget
nah dont need to charge weave
lofty widget
you have like omega haste at that point
oblique garnet
^
chrome falcon
do you run ITF on 5 tank
strong forum
hell no
oblique garnet
Ravager better anyways
You should have enough rage gen without being hit on 3 targets just with intervene and cds
lofty widget
was rdm kinda meh in upper?
oblique garnet
Assuming you bl there
echo egret
I've been asked to do Mechagon Workshop 1st pulll solo, I just watched a video by a DK, can we do that ourselves ?
oblique garnet
Yes
strong forum
we'll die if we all stack ontop of nox
oblique garnet
Ye tech is that the flame slash doesnt hit you if you are on top of nox as everyone
oblique garnet
Yep
ocean yoke
good catalyst candidate right there with the socket
strong forum
also we only have 7 stacks of haste buff on 2nd boss
oblique garnet
🤔
crimson walrus
My stat weight is straight trolling
tropic gorge
Looks like mine when I have into the fray instead of ravager
Stacked in mastery like. Wot.
crimson walrus
think i should try fray? i can't keep banner not really close even
strong forum
no
50% of your rage isnt coming from hasted sources
reprisal/banner/demo/ravager
ITF isnt gonna fix your banner uptime
dawn canyon
My stat weight is straight trolling
thats fury stats
hard knot
Tips or tricks for dealing with Attumen the Huntsman on plus 20 keys. Thanks in advance
lusty tiger
Doesn’t it hurt the whole group if nobody soaks?
lusty tiger
How many times?
lofty widget
until he jumps back on his horse
hard knot
jump/intervene out at the last second of shared suffering
thanks
urban bane
he recasts but if he has another ability on CD he'll cast that first
Gate also works IIRC
lusty tiger
That is cancer
lyric laurel
What's the consensus on bis trinkets? Is dinner bell very strong?
mellow bridge
what is that even
mellow bridge
your bis trinkets are ows aegis rdm in most cases
south zealot
old warrior soul, shard of annhyldes aegis, reactive defense matrix
lyric laurel
Thank you
mild palm
Is Salvaged Fusion Amplifier not good? wondering why its not showing as suggested in the guides.
mellow bridge
it's def good for ST dps
chrome falcon
SFA might good in like
mellow bridge
ows + rdm will be the best all-around combo however
mellow bridge
26 ID SR 
too bad we trolled 28 and 27 with real stupid deaths
i thiiiiiiiiiiink the frontal SR does more
but not sure
and too lazy to check in logs
lofty widget
so maybe... workshop?
ran it in a few workshops earlier and it was avging like 7-800 dps overall, wouldnt even bother swapping to it in higher keys
strong forum
26 ID SR <:yep:703420923625078804>
Why is your TC higher than your execute?
mellow bridge
cuz it's pointless to be executing in most of these pulls we do
mild palm
any recommendations for dinar? got two and enough for 1 heroic 1 mythic upgrade
strong forum
That's from my streets 25
strong forum
any recommendations for dinar? got two and enough for 1 heroic 1 mythic upgrade
Mythic rdm
chrome falcon
really?
strong forum
Actually no
chrome falcon
not HC RDM 311 shield?
strong forum
Heroic rdm and mythic shield
chrome falcon
yeah
unless you're doing 27+
in which case maybe aegis
but i think 291 rdm 311 LoD shield
is the play
mild palm
no bueno on the 311 weapon?
strong forum
Shield > weapon
strong forum
Like sure, 311 weapon is a big dmg upgrade, but shield is also a big surv upgrade
chrome falcon
and if you're doing some mythic you'll get 304 eventually anywya
dawn canyon
i was gna say weppie
mild palm
i was gonna make a weppie and a sfa before i wrote here xd
mild palm
in which case maybe aegis
aegis is better for keys?
tbh there's a 304 Discordant Deathblade sitting in my vault
or a spherule
i guess i take those?
strong forum
Then just take that and be safe with a haste weapon
mild palm
Lords is the shield to go for, right?
strong forum
Ye
mellow bridge
take 304 weapon
get 311 shield
go for either hc aegis or rdm or ows depending on trinkets you got and keylevel you wanna play
mild palm
im wanting to do like 20-24s probably not higher than that
strong forum
Then you don't want aegis
That's complete overkill for those levels, unless your group is bad
mild palm
What's the different between rdm and aegis really?
I have 298 OWS, 304 Glutt Spike
and then some other shit
298 leech eye of command
mild palm
that i forget to use
mellow bridge
and play ows rdm
mild palm
mellow bridge
What's the different between rdm and aegis really?
rdm is very good passive tankyness and gives you a lot of dps for free as well
mild palm
mellow bridge
aegis is a very strong extra external but 0 dmg
in that keylevel you shouldnt need any extra defensives however
so just going for throughput for both dps and hps is better
mild palm
will i be going mythic rdm or ows first?
sturdy sable
Ows barely gets stronger with ilvl
I had not known this so thats good to know
Thanks ❤️
torn gust
what weapon consumable are we using keys?
mortal brook
sharpening stone
dawn canyon
stone
sturdy sable
Ows might be good early lvl70 stuff
drifting fable
nah
oblique garnet
Both of those are bad for prot
drifting fable
we hardly want our hp ever below 50%
drifting fable
bis set is 3 abilites + haste
pallid musk
yea i was lucky with rings on both 15+ so i only upgrade to get better ilvl
drifting fable
yeah i mean the stats are fine
pallid musk
would swap to to haste one in future
pallid musk
The main point i get prot, even it suck but then when i get better one - swap
drifting fable
eh i mean you can wait to upgrade it b4 swapping if thats what you mean?
pallid musk
i mean both rigns is current my highest i have according ilvl
OM workshop is really good for haste
drifting fable
right right and you should still wear them for now
south zealot
wdym junkyard sucks
distant crystal
can you wear two different workshop rings
drifting fable
maybe they mean the ring doesnr have a lot of haste
distant crystal
he just means the heavy crit ring
drifting fable
which is fine
distant crystal
well obv
drifting fable
ah true well for this current ring pairing that doesnt really matter
distant crystal
just wasn't sure if they were unique-equipped as a set
south zealot
the crit main stat haste off is nice
drifting fable
i agree
south zealot
if you have haste mainstat on all pieces you will go into haste dr fast
south zealot
once you get to 40% you will start getting dr
pallid musk
Gotcha, thanks
chrome falcon
depleted by 2 seconds holy crap
dawn canyon
very sad
cobalt seal
what about you worry about that near 300 ilvl?
high haven
can i keep signet as legendary or should i really change it to whatevers better... i tend to play arms as well as prot but i dunno if its worth changing at this point
chrome falcon
signet is basically not a legendary for prot
urban portal
Signet goes brazy wym
Then you slap on mbg
Cooking
Maybe this is the new 2s meta
patent gorge
Brb going to buy my lotto ticket
patent gorge
thank you bb. I would be mad at anyone who looted that as well lol
cunning pecan
Wow rolled leech and a socket. Nice grats.
sick sentinel
signet is basically not a legendary for prot
Hmm today i am gonna get a bladestorm and die cause i cant press defensives
sick sentinel
I mean yeah but ur rage generation is fucked
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel wtf was echos 31 docks route
No im just surprised they got it done
vague abyss
Has anyone made a Spell Reflect guide for the S4 dungeons?
sonic crag
I've ran Workshop about 13 times this week, still no ring. My only solace is how much I enjoy soloing the first pack before boss.
vestal garnet
Has anyone made a Spell Reflect guide for the S4 dungeons?
south zealot
fort storming bursting for id
dire tulip
Is there a weak aura to track how much we have on ignore pain ?
sand pebble
dire tulip
Ty
tender cove
thank you bb. I would be mad at anyone who looted that as well lol
I have looted it, it stays in my bag unused atm
undone verge
I keep getting the ring
Like an annoyingly high amount
And it’s always after the key gets griefed by the arcane mage doing 8k dps and dying every 3 seconds
So the key to getting the ring is to have dps grief the key
dire tulip
How good is enforcers stun grenade? I got lucky and got a 288 one and it seems stupidly powerful. Vers trinket with 20% vers for 20 seconds on a 2 minute cd
icy flax
tonight i tanked a 19 and 2 17's without devastator talented without realizing it
onyx vessel
undone verge
how the hell are we supposed to do karazan? Like theres 6 forks up and I cant survive that
4 is trucking
do dps just need to kill them faster like idk
I went from 5k hps the entire fight to 10k at the very end
icy flax
Not using devastator <:weird:718676218500874320>
i had the other one to do the big shields slams in pvp
icy flax
4 is trucking
yea those forks nearly 1 tapped me earlier in a 15 caught me off guard
undone verge
like idk how to do that boss other than dps focus down forks when they spawn lol
cause there is no way to survive that
running two defensive trinkets literally because of that singular boss and its still gibbing me through both
defensives rotated and as soon as they dropped im dead
the only way I can see that being doable is having max 4 forks and even then its probably a defensive
mortal brook
Cleave off the forks,
undone verge
thats what im thinking
onyx vessel
i had the other one to do the big shields slams in pvp
Damn pvp prot warrior player 
brittle owl
chad thundercock
low kindle
only a 28 ID, it's probably gonna be top on fort week lmao
onyx vessel
Spell reflect being balanced
undone verge
anyone know why none of the Upper kara prot warrior keys have any spell reflect dmg logged?
was trying to see how much SR was doing on 29s but its just not on any logs
onyx vessel
I have not
Seen a final boss spell reflect dmg on upper at 1.59m
Not sure key level
boreal zephyr
Hey Guys. I need a little help. Is there a Haste Cap for Prot Warry. Actually i have:
Hatse: 37.3%
Versa: 18.6%
Mastery: 20.1%
Crit: 16.1%
undone verge
its like 40% unbuffed
boreal zephyr
okay. Thanks guys 🙂
strong forum
was trying to see how much SR was doing on 29s but its just not on any logs
SR doesn't count towards your dmg on logs
You gotta check the specific mob, and see how much dmg it did to itself
onyx vessel
wary plume
do dps just need to kill them faster like idk
they should kinda die yeah, but i think prot tends to be decent vs them as its basically nothing but autoattack damage and we block like mad if you keep uptime of SB
urban portal
haste cap is 166%
When did it become 166
Thought it was 100 when gcd doesn’t get shorter
zinc shale
Hey Guys. I need a little help. Is there a Haste Cap for Prot Warry. Actually i ...
Depending on the content you do, those stats are fine and i would even say that reaching 20% vers is a good reach and simply get as close to 40% haste as you can
undone verge
SR doesn't count towards your dmg on logs
That’s dumb
strong forum
Thought it was 100 when gcd doesn’t get shorter
166% is when you can perma chain SBs
100% is gcd cap, but we still have alot of hasted spells who benefit from additional haste
undone verge
they should kinda die yeah, but i think prot tends to be decent vs them as its b...
I mean like 2 is fine, and even 4 was manageable, but like they let it hit 6 and that’s when shit hit the fan
Like I know it’s only a 20 and I’m bad but I like to think I played pretty well in that situation
zinc shale
how the hell are we supposed to do karazan? Like theres 6 forks up and I cant su...
The fight has gone on too long and/or someone died and/or your dps actually just sucks
because its a dps check at the end
undone verge
Makes more sense
zinc shale
Just like on wikket
If someone dies and yyou dont INSTA CR
you get behind on adds, then youre likely fucked
urban portal
Ahh
zinc shale
attempted 24-25 so far, and yes its rough.
urban portal
I didn’t know about the 166% meta
Does that mean you can macro ip into ss
At that point
undone verge
attempted 24-25 so far, and yes its rough.
I swear if one more dps gets one shot by those swirlies on final boss ima lose it
zinc shale
Does that mean you can macro ip into ss
No because on bosses like medivh you have no use at all for SB
urban portal
I’m saying
If you have 166% haste
Can you just macro shit together
Joke question
zinc shale
For sure, but the rage gain on medivh is lower compared to other bosses that actually hit you
urban portal
Also yeah not shield blocking is a big dps down
zinc shale
And on a 24-25, getting caught off guard by missiles with not enough rage for IP stacking and/or if SW was used for another missile
urban portal
That’s your fault
zinc shale
On tyrannical
urban portal
We have dbm for that
zinc shale
?????????????
urban portal
You know when casts are going off
zinc shale
His cast orders are completely random
urban portal
So you plan accordingly
But you know when he’s casting
Just not what he’s casting
zinc shale
Protwarrs are even TPing out after curator to swap to Wall lego for him, which also helps the group but still, the extra SW
urban portal
I’m saying you can still shield block for damage
As long as you are holding enough rage to mitigate
wary plume
I mean like 2 is fine, and even 4 was manageable, but like they let it hit 6 and...
yea thats just meh dps honestly
urban portal
I’m not saying you should dump rage on sb for fun
zinc shale
sure but thats not your main concern on that fight
undone verge
You guys are pressing SS?
trim bay
Nah.
orchid frigate
Even if im not too found of reprisal it feels like I’m gonna miss this mini game of block uptime (and banner uptime) in DF
robust quiver
Even if im not too found of reprisal it feels like I’m gonna miss this mini game...
while the bonus of reprisal is really good i'm not really fond of the playstyle tbh
idk, going out of packs and charging back in mid combat feels wrong
leap out, charge back in feels even more wrong
but i guess with 166% haste we don't need reprisal any longer 😄
icy flax
Jumping out and back in is fun to me but disorienting at first/ I sometimes get turned around
tropic gorge
i picked up an RDM last night from normal difficulty
big ilvl upgrade over what i had. i was kinda pumped
now i have a pocket red mage! lol
unique lintel
Might be stupid question but is it possible to keep a 100% uptime in Shield Block in an m+ environment?
dawn canyon
you shouldnt look at your SB uptime but rather your blocked hits
whats the point of having SB in a caster pack for instance
tropic gorge
i dont know if its possible. it might be. my personal max atm is like 73% uptime reported by details!.
80-90% is the goal to hit
dawn canyon
look at your blocked hits
tropic gorge
i look at the aura for shield block for total uptime in combat
details! stops tracking time when combat drops iirc
urban bane
whats the point of having SB in a caster pack for instance
SS damage duh
tropic gorge
its a 20 sec cd. i just used mine to check
queen hemlock
Wtf isnt it 25?
tropic gorge
mouse over yours. 20 sec cd
tropic gorge
now that i'm pushing into the 14-16 key range, its getting more and more difficult to get group invites lol
1700 rio, 282 ilvl. seems lots of competition in the range ive entered
strong forum
Was it changed or something i always remembered it to be 25
Back in 9.2 it got buffed to 20sec CD
robust quiver
Question about secondaries: is it really haste > all even after 30%? Sims continue to switch out haste for crit for me and i'm at 32% atm. I guess i follow sim results?
strong forum
Haste is our best defensive stat, and generally never bad to get more of
You're not wrong to follow Sims aswell
I do the same
strong forum
Yes
tropic gorge
i have a bunch of crit and parry atm
strong forum
Rn im running 33% crit and 33% haste
tropic gorge
robust quiver
Rn im running 33% crit and 33% haste
i'm 21/32/19 crit/haste/versa at the moment
feels balanced
toxic pewter
damn lower and upper kara both kicking my ass all over town
queen hemlock
My prot warrior ilvl 296
Sometimes people dont even want me in 16 keys lul
robust quiver
15-16s and 20s are the worst to pug in my experience
it's full of clueless people
probably because they are breakpoints and are more targeted by people in general
queen hemlock
Yea they die alot
But easiest way to finish the 8 304 vaults
When those pugs pull zul in gambit when i pulled almost the entire starting zone to skip it
:C
robust quiver
i was spamming workshop for the ring and in one 20 i did the warlock was demo and had the destro legendary. When asked about it he said "i don't have a demo leg"
i mean, what is it now like, 15k for a 291 base?
robust quiver
ye
the same lock even bragged about doing 10k overall at the end of the run
i didn't even have words xd
robust quiver
ye ahahah
south zealot
i was spamming workshop for the ring and in one 20 i did the warlock was demo an...
why were you spamming 20 workshops
robust quiver
3 drops + the hope of not being top dps at the end of the run
20s sometimes are faster than 15s
idk
dobby is a free elf now tho, i dropped the ring
robust quiver
you dont want to be top dps?
if i'm topping the dps at 13k it means the key is going slowly
icy flax
Are you playing with shitters/inviting them?
icy flax
Take charge
robust quiver
as i said i dropped the ring, i am free now
i can stop pugging and wait for the buddies to come back from vacation
but man it felt bad, and it reinforced the fact that i don't understand how can people play m+ while only pugging
i mean probably in higher keys it's different
but for keys < 23 it's like terrible
or at least it felt that way
i didn't pug anything higher tho
zinc shale
I just got disarmed on the first boss in streets
That should be possible right
ive never had tha before
shouldnt*
lofty widget
did you happen to intervene someone right before?
zinc shale
nope
strong forum
It happens if 1 or more people are dead
zinc shale
lmfao yeah that would explain it
lusty tiger
Banned from damage on remnant because I kept pulling aggro
))):
I found if I do my rotation only while I’m tanking and auto attack the rest of the time I do exactly my DH cotank dps
strong forum
Banned from damage on remnant because I kept pulling aggro
tell your cotank to stop slacking
lusty tiger
He’s RL
strong forum
tell him to stop slacking
lusty tiger
I told him actually
Taunt has 4x threat mod for its duration
But he did not care he said stop attacking
strong forum
literally the very first night of raid with my new cotank i told him im not having a shitty low dps cotank
lusty tiger
Well I don’t rly have a choice for some reason I am the only raider not allowed to perform their optimal rotation
strong forum
@thorn spruce knows a thing or 2 about that
lofty widget
cant he just taunt before the tank mechanic?
lusty tiger
on average
Blue/green
lofty widget
and you sit with boss rest of the time
chrome falcon
suffering doesn't swap target
strong forum
ya if the cast started
lusty tiger
It was like just before
strong forum
it shouldnt matter
strong forum
then just quit on your own
lusty tiger
Because I’m doing over 2x his dps
strong forum
and tell him to get good
chrome falcon
yeah just tell him to stop sucking hole
does he tell you to stop dps in public or in /w
lusty tiger
Yelled at me in front of raid
chrome falcon
LMAO
lusty tiger
Like pull 6
chrome falcon
idk what your dynamic is like in that raid
but yeah
i mean i'm RL so whenever i rip threat i'm just like
"hey man i'm pumping tonight so maybe taunt before tank mechanic even if you have threat just to make sure"
thorn spruce
<@98513024108736512> knows a thing or 2 about that
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
strong forum
famous triple digit dps cotank
chrome falcon
the only time it's fair to ask a pwarr to stop pumping bc of threat
strong forum
chrome falcon
is during execute
i think our damage is so dumb in execute that it's fair to ask to stop
because the only thing that can hold is bdk during gavel
but in normal phase
our damage is good
but it's not rip threat good
chrome falcon
what trinkets does he wear
lusty tiger
So ofc I’m going to rip threat in 5 GCD
He’s VDH so cheat death I assume
Or aegis and cheat
chrome falcon
our burst on pull is insane with lust because we getl ike
8 outbursts in our first 30 seconds
idk if he's wearing defensive trinkets in s4
just make fun of him
lusty tiger
DH take a lot of dam
sick sentinel
hey guys more great push in 30 minutes
lusty tiger
Blizzard needs to 10x threat because this is literally a classic wow issue
Threat has been scuffed all xpac
sick sentinel
it should just be very simple you take a 25% dmg dealt reduction, and then threat is increased by 5 times whenever you are in any tank spec
thorn spruce
Nobody should take that
sick sentinel
or if you are a healer spec, you don't lose cast time as easily and mana stuff
lusty tiger
It is just such bad design
Spend time practicing my rotation on a training dummy for it to not matter
sick sentinel
i just mean that the dps should be the ones topping the dps charts
and not only if your rogue hunter or warlock
lusty tiger
Dk and sham pump
sick sentinel
bdk yeah
thats the problem ... is tank
frost too yeah, i dunno about UH i heard its in a bad spot compared to frost
south zealot
100% the dungeon is train
lusty tiger
Tgp?
sick sentinel
i don't like the train dungeon, its easy enough though
south zealot
yes
sturdy sable
but it's not rip threat good
Monks can struggle they dont get the threat from Dave
south zealot
its global finals theyre gonna do the highest possible keys i think
sick sentinel
second boss i have no idea whats going on besides adds and shoot a gun and kill the boss
south zealot
true but its like almost guarenteed itll be there
didnt they also make higher scrolls
sick sentinel
yard is get shockies and omegalul final boss is dead in these things
lofty widget
oh lord
south zealot
rumour says that the bots dont scale with keylevel on TGP anymore
why
strong forum
they also uncapped the keylevel
sick sentinel
they stopped around 35 i think
sick sentinel
and then nothing after that, they were discussing it last TGP
strong forum
which is why the key times itself if you dont die
toxic pewter
last boss gambit- where do you guys tank her
sturdy sable
Stairs and to the left a bit
toxic pewter
and should do side
strong forum
makes no fucking difference
sturdy sable
I also got roasted
toxic pewter
thats what I said
sturdy sable
For the same thing
sharp zenith
i've always tanked her where she is 0.o
toxic pewter
and they blamed me, especially the ones that didnt dodge arrows...
sick sentinel
whover makes these videos should be allowed to make more videos at blizzard
sturdy sable
I just replied "well im not getting hit so Maybe you should use your eyes"
strong forum
its dumb pugs being high out of their mind thinking theres any way the boss gets easier on any of the sides
toxic pewter
I admit the stairs can sometimes mess with the arrows i guess? but still like just dodge the mechianc..
south zealot
if you go in the corner the first phase the adds spawn and teeport super close
but its so marginal
lofty widget
thats worse tho
toxic pewter
I just got whispered by people even
lofty widget
no reprisal usage
toxic pewter
we were on time too
strong forum
dumb pugs being dumb
toxic pewter
yeah like, I admit if I mess up
sturdy sable
Like were all avoiding the same shit here
toxic pewter
these guys were a-holes
south zealot
jy is definitely starting at 30
toxic pewter
yeah exactly
south zealot
id be down for fort workshop
oblique garnet
its dumb pugs being high out of their mind thinking theres any way the boss gets...
Technically yes the boss gets easier the further away from the stars you are but you still have to dodge
strong forum
if you go too far to the sides you restrict your own space so thats also bad
not to mention the loads of running time to get back to it
lusty tiger
I usually go right side pocket area, looking at the boss
After every phase I just leap back
sick sentinel
lusty tiger
Never ever had a problem
south zealot
fort jayd
sick sentinel
the only 2 ways i have ever seen soleah done
south zealot
can they 3 chest the 30?
strong forum
ah so bots stop scaling past 30
south zealot
i wonder how high u could go if bots didnt stop
south zealot
40 copium
south zealot
its melee
lofty widget
one of the china teams +2'd a 35 no?
south zealot
40 jy is gonna happen
dawn canyon
They +2 a 33 last TGP weekend iirc
dawn canyon
what is the survival interupt like
Pet based i thought
dawn canyon
no wonder twitch is dying
No adblock?
south zealot
what a crazy sentence
dawn canyon
south zealot
jy is so broken LMAO
sick sentinel
cuz im just wondering if its got a short CD, melee has shorter cd sho possible better for fort
tropic gorge
No adblock?
i do
lofty widget
survival has a 15 sec cd like every other melee spec (except enha)
tropic gorge
am i seeing dk tanks on all 4 groups
south zealot
of course
strong forum
ofc
tropic gorge
yawn, lol
strong forum
i mean what did you expect
its the best, people play the best
its not a random community event made for fun
dawn canyon
No way they arent playing my main (mw)
south zealot
or pally
dawn canyon
MADGE
toxic pewter
Who was meta tank during legion
shut summit
bdk
south zealot
so im not 100% sure
toxic pewter
Ok ty
oblique garnet
not to mention the loads of running time to get back to it
I mean the stairs are always either left or right side no? Just away from w/e is the closest star
toxic pewter
Ok i will just start tanking there
chrome falcon
in legion time trials
meta comp was bdk+4 WW
🙂
but yeah bdk was really the only viable tank for high keys
not even like they were the best
toxic pewter
bdk need to be nerfed into the ground
chrome falcon
they were just the only one that could do it
chrome falcon
the guardian nerf does look hilariously pointless now yeah
cobalt seal
since when should balance be based on rotation OP?
cobalt seal
that logic has so many flaws
dawn canyon
BDK should be where brew is now im power in DF
Imo
All tanks should be ppal/brew pwar level
cobalt seal
where is brew?
chrome falcon
Tank balance this expansion has been maybe the best ever tbh
south zealot
i agree
lofty widget
why does it matter how good the other tanks are? 
south zealot
you balance things among eachother
south zealot
you need to look at how strong other tanks are
chrome falcon
It makes my pp feel small when they death strike from 0->100 every global
dawn canyon
If all tanks are stupid OP it's also fun 
chrome falcon
Rn all tanks are giga op compared to the content
lofty widget
dk is also omega good
chrome falcon
Which is ideal