I want to see if I can do a 15 in a full group with no legendaries, covenants or trinkets
#protection
chrome falcon
topaz field
u can see it in some logs even 31 codex is a dps loss over other trinkets (and im speaking of bdk)
chrome falcon
Just to show how little it all matters
brittle owl
buying super high end gear to just start playing a sport
strong forum
I can confidently say that alot of the Super high end people are actually playing based on feelycraft
That's how the whole vers and codex thing came to be
It's pure feelycraft
distant crystal
who needs sims when you can just look at the meters and disregard the lack of primary stat
brittle owl
feelycraft > theorycraft don't @ me
clever heart
i just kinda wanted to check because when you ask the blood discord they tell you, never use codex RDM is always better.
but then when you look at what trinkets tanks are using in 26+ keys as blood dk they almost all use codex instead of rdm. so obviously the answer isnt that rdm is always better, and that if you were to do high enough keys codex can become more beneficial especially on fortified weeks.
clever heart
lol wait wat
strong forum
Yes.
distant crystal
i just kinda wanted to check because when you ask the blood discord they tell yo...
That's not obvious or even necessarily correct
strong forum
Codex is only actually good for vdh
topaz field
to give u an example in 31 gambit (fortifide)
a bdk did 6 % of his overall with codex
and lost 7 % mainstat
strong forum
^
south zealot
yeah no mainstat makes it super sadge
topaz field
not to mention the defensive benefit he loses
strong forum
For bdk, if you run codex, you lose 6-7% dps and survivability
distant crystal
our bdk in raid was saying he wants rdm beacause it beats codex in single target
i'm like my man it beats codex everywhere
clever heart
Codex is only actually good for vdh
wait 100% not even trying to correct you. i just want to become a better player and use what loot i think will help me most.
if RDM is always better than why are players using Codex instead ? like the vast majority on here are.
just trying to understand.
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-4/world/death-knight/blood
distant crystal
but he pushed 30s and i push 22s so there's no shot he's gonna hear it
strong forum
Yes the vast majority of bdk players is in the wrong to use codex, as said in my updated pin. Its a comfort pick
distant crystal
- codex is easier to get, by a lot
hazy edge
wait 100% not even trying to correct you. i just want to become a better player ...
same reason "top" pwars are using codex
chrome falcon
Because they’re wrong
topaz field
but i dont understand how literally every single tank in TGP played codex
distant crystal
- codex looks better on the meters
south zealot
codex was super hyped last season
topaz field
i was expecting more brains there
strong forum
Nah
chrome falcon
You see the majority of people on codex so you would use codex and become part of the majority
hazy edge
misinformed and/or stubborn
strong forum
^
south zealot
everyone last season was like omg this tank trinket is so good
shut summit
but i dont understand how literally every single tank in TGP played codex
was 2 of us who didnt tyvm
south zealot
so then ppl started using it and it went up the food chain
strong forum
Like I said
distant crystal
reminds me of the top outlaws in BFA vs the outlaw TCs
south zealot
was 2 of us who didnt tyvm
who else didnt
strong forum
It's a vicious cycle of "well if everybody uses it, I must do so too"
shut summit
qazi
strong forum
That's literally it
brittle owl
reminds me of the top outlaws in BFA vs the outlaw TCs
bruh
strong forum
That's all there is to it
topaz field
was 2 of us who didnt tyvm
i wasnt counting in the brave warrior gamer there
brittle owl
versatility makes you less healer reliant - best hot take in bfa
south zealot
It's a vicious cycle of "well if everybody uses it, I must do so too"
so ur saying devastator is bad
distant crystal
Foreverguy was pissing in the wind trying to tell people what to wear when they'd break out the "but the top M+ rogues do this!!!"
south zealot
got it
tropic gorge
Lmao
strong forum
Go ask anybody why they use codex
errant oriole
is there a spread sheet for the blockable and spell reflect spells?
strong forum
They can't give any answer but "i feel tankier"
topaz field
is there a spread sheet for the blockable and spell reflect spells?
its pinned
lofty widget
"it does huge dmg"
distant crystal
I guess there could be a case in like high tyrannical with tankbuster mechanics if the codex stam makes the difference but seems sus
topaz field
thats also feelycraft
errant oriole
thanks you
clever heart
was 2 of us who didnt tyvm
so do you agree that for blood dk rdm is just always better than codex. no matter the key lvl ?
topaz field
why should flat health save u if u have less defensive power
toxic pewter
I did this same argument months ago- its just wrong- just because someone is 'at the top' using codex does not make it correct
distant crystal
i mean RDM isn't much defensive power for a single attack
drifting fable
yeah thats already been said like 3 times too so not sure what else theyre missing
strong forum
I guess there could be a case in like high tyrannical with tankbuster mechanics ...
Can't reach those levels
distant crystal
it's more of a tank dps trinket than anything lol
that also does some cool trickle healing throughout the dungeon
but so is codex
shut summit
so do you agree that for blood dk rdm is just always better than codex. no matte...
im not speaking for bdk, ive played that class for like 20hours total
distant crystal
i'm just trying to steelman/play devils advocate for the codex enjoyers
distant crystal
one single big hit tankbuster that just barely overkills you without codex's stamina would be the best case for it over RDM
topaz field
ive seen rdm doing 1-2 % less overall (pure dmg output) then if u count in the massive primariy stat increase over codex u have your answer
tropic gorge
im not speaking for bdk, ive played that class for like 20hours total
I tried dk and didn't even get 5 levels before stopping
clever heart
im not speaking for bdk, ive played that class for like 20hours total
haha ahh ok ty srry.
dire tulip
How long does banner have to last to over take bastion spear?
lofty widget
15 seconds
open wedge
minor helm
Disgusting
oblique garnet
full flax
When playing ravager and merciless bonegrinder, is it a dps loss to (on st) whirlwind over revenge because of less SS resets?
jagged pier
its not new
we tried it already
it does the same if not less
and the play style is ass
strong forum
I played like 1-2 keys with it, it's fun to press WW with the proc up, but your overall dmg will suffer and your banner uptime is gonna be omega hard to manage cuz you gotta pool rage for the bonegrinder proc for it to be not a complete dps loss
Very hard to maintain banner for 2min with playing bonegrinder
south zealot
Whirlwind on prot
chatting
chrome falcon
How long does banner have to last to over take bastion spear?
Irrelevant question really you should just play necro until you can make it last long enough to be good
If you can’t keep banner up then you know you’re already doing a lot of stuff wrong
wintry nymph
and where does this fucker drop cuz level 200 is definetly not high enough
got the rest atleast 265+
chrome falcon
or go i get other ones / go marileth
That’s fine yeah I personally think that marileth is better but it’s very marginal
wintry nymph
That’s fine yeah I personally think that marileth is better but it’s very margin...
okay
south zealot
this a good setup?
i always do plague deviser
lofty widget
Can buy it at 278 for 10k flux
south zealot
but your conduits look good
chrome falcon
Just spend the 10k flux on getting them all 278 when you can afford it
wintry nymph
like this?
chrome falcon
wintry nymph
Just spend the 10k flux on getting them all 278 when you can afford it
don't you need mythic sepulcher fully done or do all 20's?
wintry nymph
ah
strong forum
that was last season
chrome falcon
Just 10k now
south zealot
u just buy it
wintry nymph
where do i get it
chrome falcon
Haven vendor
wintry nymph
okay
dire tulip
Irrelevant question really you should just play necro until you can make it last...
I ask because in all content I can do 1:30-2 minutes. But sanctum I would go to look at it and it would drop super early. It was genuinely weird
wintry nymph
thanks
vernal vale
Faction quartermasters in oribos sell it too
vernal vale
I ask because in all content I can do 1:30-2 minutes. But sanctum I would go to ...
Should be getting it nearly if not 100% on bosses in raid
oblique garnet
Idk maybe when i get to pc
lusty tiger
Let’s be real there are some long rp or intermissions
south zealot
name those bosses
vernal vale
Let’s be real there are some long rp or intermissions
Yeah, stupid sylv
lusty tiger
Ur mom
south zealot
you can have full uptime for wgen it matters on sylv
i think
maybe switch between p2 and p3 it might drop
vernal vale
maybe switch between p2 and p3 it might drop
I just didn't hit it towards the end of p2 so i could have it for p3
since it was gonna be forced to drop anyways while they RP talk
lusty tiger
I’m not claiming u can’t on every boss, but since I’ve only done most bosses 1-2 times I don’t have my timing planned out well yet, like on blood council I can’t tell u how many times I popped a fresh banner before we danced
vernal vale
I’m not claiming u can’t on every boss, but since I’ve only done most bosses 1-2...
painsmith intermision phase is also a RIP banner
south zealot
that fight is so dogshit btw
wintry nymph
best way to farm some cosmic flux?
lusty tiger
Pvp dailies
vernal vale
my raid team litterally put F in raid chat for me on painsmith heroic last night
wintry nymph
aight
lusty tiger
In that order
dire tulip
Lfr a bunch of 60s and just punt it
lusty tiger
LFR is huge gains now I forgot
fervent kestrel
Do we have dinar prio posted anywhere?
toxic pewter
on warcraftlogs, anyone know what "Key %" means in the rankings tab?
is it similar to raid ilvl %
toxic pewter
then what is the ranking mean
south zealot
wdym
south zealot
neither really matters honestly
toxic pewter
if judging a single run for a key
south zealot
your banner uptime and blocked hits % will tell you if you did good
vernal vale
So you can play like ass in a 25 and rank incredibly well since most players never go above 15
fervent kestrel
Does anybody have a list for Dinar priority? D:
south zealot
old warrior soul then reactive defense matrix
south zealot
then a shield or shard of annhyldes aegis probably
south zealot
yeah ows and rdm are the two best
after those 2 id probably grab gavel or jaithys for offspec personally
fervent kestrel
I haven’t touched a DPS or healing spec in 17 years 😬
vernal vale
after those 2 id probably grab gavel or jaithys for offspec personally
I got gavel with my third
got a 304 shield already so that means i need a mythic upgrade token before shield would have been worth
still have a normal run this week to try and get aegis
edgy bone
please dont waste dinars on aegis
I was gonna use mine on Lost WArriors soul
edgy bone
Old Warriors Soul
tender cove
best way to farm some cosmic flux?
A normal / heroic clear. Gives you smt like 300 per boss and 1250 for killing end boss. Doubt there is smt faster.
zinc shale
shit or?
tender cove
Yes
south zealot
stam = bad
tender cove
Compared to the alternatives? dogshit
mortal brook
drifting fable
so much stam 
toxic pewter
thats hot
mortal brook
My anima of life and death and twlight devs are huge tbh
drifting socket
He's going for the indomitable build kek
vernal vale
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838113932551258146/1014189144316067840/...
gross
zinc shale
better than codex, worse than everything else
haha o0kay
zinc shale
had 2dps and the healer saying DO YOU NEEEEED
vernal vale
this is on dummy right now
Sit on a tank dummy and keep banner up until it kills you.
Granted thats like 20+min of banner time
wintry nymph
i just see people in video's building up banner time and i can't seem to do it
im doing something wrong in rotation
vernal vale
i just see people in video's building up banner time and i can't seem to do it
If you haven't yet look at the video in the pins
Mattacate does an excellent job explaining it.
wintry nymph
i have, but will do again
vernal vale
all about making use of last stand and just masshing the rage spenders/generators
mighty valley
It is slightly easier in reality when you can intervene
vernal vale
Also true
mighty valley
Although you're more likely to mess things up with more stuff to think about
drifting fable
if you have a log that can help pinpoint specifics
tender cove
Stupid question, but where do I find dummies SL?
drifting fable
covenant hall
vernal vale
upstairs in the covenant hall for necro
wintry nymph
ah didn't see that macro that he uses there, that one is sweet
im such a noob on prot 😂
vernal vale
ah didn't see that macro that he uses there, that one is sweet
I don't use that macro myself
drifting fable
the macro is fine for pull but yeah you absolutely dont need it
vernal vale
It can definitely help as you are figuring it out though
tender cove
The macro made my pulls a lot easier tbh, its so much to think about.
chrome falcon
just comfy
drifting fable
if youre saying youre forgetting to avatar and LS on banner in general, that could be an issue
tender cove
And the video was really good matta, you make it look so easy xD
drifting fable
but again after a certain point youll just need a log to really figure out where youre going wrong
tender cove
if youre saying youre forgetting to avatar and LS on banner in general, that cou...
Not forgetting but its like, ok, I need to pull, get aggro, remember to press 4 buttons as fast as I can, while thinking. The macro just makes it, pop, charge and forget.
vernal vale
I've found getting used to hitting all your rage generators with a CD should just be second nature gotta feed the rage machine
drifting fable
it helps for sure. just dont forget to be pressing LS and avatar when you dont need that macro
lusty tiger
Kinda feels like pressing covenant ability on prot pala (banner/ls/avatar on war)
tender cove
it helps for sure. just dont forget to be pressing LS and avatar when you dont n...
Nah, i have seperate keybinds for that so I wont forget.
lusty tiger
Where ur rotation is spend spend spend
tender cove
Kinda feels like pressing covenant ability on prot pala (banner/ls/avatar on war...
My main is prot pala and I dont really agree.
lusty tiger
Why not
tender cove
Because there's no real setup, you just pop wings+DT and spam sotrs.
lusty tiger
Ok
toxic pewter
I really really hate shade of medivh
lusty tiger
Pop banner/ls/avatar spam spenders and ss procs
drifting fable
theres not really setup to slamming LS and avatar immediately to be fair
hence why you can just macro it lol
south zealot
i wouldnt macro any ability together
drifting fable
eh
lofty widget
Its fine
drifting fable
that macro is fine
lusty tiger
It is very clutch
south zealot
ls and avatar??
drifting fable
intervene/charge is the only macro i hard recommend
south zealot
thats super wirdo honestly
drifting fable
LS avatar and banner
south zealot
weird
lofty widget
As long as you have access to the individual spells on other keybinds
drifting fable
for on pull only
lusty tiger
No banner,ls,avatar
drifting fable
if you were reading
south zealot
ph if you have different buttons for each ability that makes sense
i thought u meant just macro tthose together and call it a day
lusty tiger
Nahhh
drifting fable
ya oh god dont make that your only way to hit those
lusty tiger
Trolling
Lmao
Ascended banner gameplay isn’t looking for your next banner in 2 min it’s looking for your next LS in a pack with banner up
It’s sad because I couldn’t find that out until I could get 3+ min banners
What do you guys do for the zul’gamux purple swirlie around him ??
vernal vale
What do you guys do for the zul’gamux purple swirlie around him ??
run out charge back in
mellow bridge
Walk out?
lusty tiger
Like last second?
dense shell
Best choice is always the ilvl even if we lose mosre stat?
vernal vale
once it pops just charge in the damage hurts
mellow bridge
Best choice is always the ilvl even if we lose mosre stat?
Yes
vernal vale
Best choice is always the ilvl even if we lose mosre stat?
sadly
mellow bridge
Like last second?
Well I don't run out insta
lusty tiger
Been trying to get more uptime but it always feels like that swirlie is eating a lot of rage spending time
wintry nymph
i think i got the hang of it
mellow bridge
Basically whenever I feel like I won't make it otherwise
mellow bridge
And then just charge back in insta
drifting fable
i think i got the hang of it
lusty tiger
i think i got the hang of it
🦾
toxic pewter
yah I have come to realize if I dont capitilize well during last stand, i am f'd
vernal vale
Been trying to get more uptime but it always feels like that swirlie is eating a...
theres certainly a timing to it for optimal rage use
vernal vale
i think i got the hang of it
Nice job
wintry nymph
the haste in the dungeons also makes it a bit easier doesn't it
mellow bridge
Can even use the bats
lusty tiger
yah I have come to realize if I dont capitilize well during last stand, i am f'd
Bad last stand = hope your banner is coming up again soon
toxic pewter
Yeah basically
vernal vale
the haste in the dungeons also makes it a bit easier doesn't it
It does
south zealot
zul gamux is so bedge
lusty tiger
But he has important haste for me
And skipping with pugs is the best way to deplete keys I have found
lofty widget
Idk man topping dps is fun
toxic pewter
im convinced the skipping of zul gamux is not as much of a time saver as one may think
the 6% stats on every member is no joke
south zealot
especially when dps save cds for boss
lusty tiger
im convinced the skipping of zul gamux is not as much of a time saver as one may...
Really think it’s group dependent
south zealot
when zug js at 50% hp
vernal vale
Really think it’s group dependent
this tbh
south zealot
idk how people in literally 25s dont know that more cds > saving cds
in 99% of situations
minor helm
Zul is incredibly easy with a healing reduction arms feels so good on him
lusty tiger
Zul is incredibly easy with a healing reduction arms feels so good on him
I actually forgot about this
south zealot
doesnt surv have higher mortal strike
minor helm
MS is 50%
south zealot
ok that makes sense
lofty widget
Isnt it only 50 with sharpen?
minor helm
urban portal
in pvp
minor helm
That’s PvP
urban portal
its 50 in pve always
lofty widget
Oh okay
minor helm
The weirdo dork game mode
lusty tiger
Ohhh
south zealot
for some reason i temember hearing someone say hunter has higher ms effect
lusty tiger
It’s changed in pvp I forgot about that too
lusty tiger
Yea I wish I played arms more
minor helm
Yeah I remember week 1 when zul sucked a lot of ass he never felt that bad cause of the lower healing
lusty tiger
But I hate dps in pugs it is the worst role to pug 99% time
minor helm
But I’d watch guildies have him heal for like 20% each time
lusty tiger
Healer or a tank with ass dps and tank or ass dps and heal can still be fun, but a dps with ass tank or heal sucks
edgy grail
Tanking is the most influential role across most key levels
Which feels very nice
You can easily carry keys
lusty tiger
It was weird he pulled some shit from the little trogg hidey hole
gaunt ocean
<@109408756164485120>
Why would you ping me in this cursed channel
drifting fable
rude
gaunt ocean
Also there are more 50% MS in the game
urban portal
cuz ur the only one that plays league
its grievous wounds
who the hell calls it mortal wounds
lusty tiger
We yea we went gunk-> twins->trogg but did both twins fence skips too
I pi a boomkin the whole time
he almost beat the sv
south zealot
jy ezzz
lusty tiger
Yea it really was
It made my jy route feel cringe I definitely don’t go by enough bots
edgy grail
what could possibly be a sick rouge
In our 28 we got 16 stacks so I’d say thats a sick route
edgy grail
That’s what I mean
lusty tiger
Yea that too there were a ton of stacks in this route
edgy grail
16 stacks and 2 chest pace was neat
lusty tiger
1phase tyrannical last boss
gaunt ocean
cuz ur the only one that plays league
Oh you mean strongest grievous in league?
Think Surv Arms and WW have the same 50% rn in PvE
Demo is 25% still I think? Or maybe they changed that one too
lament shell
gaunt ocean
Ye doesn't stack
I believe your own debuff disappears if someone else applies it but not 100% sure
edgy grail
I’d think it’s the highest buff?
On my warlock legion strike is auto cast
So hopefully that aint overriding the more powerful effects
edgy grail
295 👀
lusty tiger
Zzz
minor helm
owned
vernal vale
https://gyazo.com/c0df43fc1e8c8d2a387f9224cbbc9cbf
what fight is that?
minor helm
chrome falcon
guardian
vernal vale
Ahh
Our mythic eye kill last night i was like 200 dps behind you
Actually felt good about myself lol
edgy grail
298 weapon, 298 shield, 259 OWS
What you use dinars on?
toxic pewter
feels bad when deplete a key at last boss
south zealot
feels bad when u deplete on the first boss
toxic pewter
true
something about the final streets boss that really sucks though
when the people cant do the portals right
smoky sparrow
Is a 278 rdm worth it over 298 soleah
smoky sparrow
285 ows
chrome falcon
hmm
i'd probably wear the 278 but try to clear some heroic bosses for upgrade token
nah
actually
soleahs
chrome falcon
i simply do not recall asking sir
minor helm
jagged pier
:kekw:
undone verge
I bought a gavel with my last dinar
undone verge
total I bought OWS Aegis then gavel
sonic crag
Gross question, but when you all equip that Gavel is it for Arms or Fury. M+ specifically
minor helm
For both cause gavel is busted
sonic crag
I kinda like the slower, more methodical Arms. Purely cause the buttons smash that is Prot.
dawn canyon
i still have 2 dinars
sigil for parsing YEP
full flax
@strong forum thank you for answering me! sorry I had something in IRL when I asked, didn't ignore you 😄
jagged pier
sigil for parsing YEP
parsing doesnt matter this season its just about how well u deal with fated
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel Aight im here
oblique garnet
Somehow this key ended up being the single most off meta comp you can have
Not only do we have feral druid but also a frost mage
uneven mason
Late making the DPS feel bad with big rev slaps?
lusty tiger
Somehow this key ended up being the single most off meta comp you can have
Post log of 2tank? Key
oblique garnet
Post log of 2tank? Key
When its done i will
lusty tiger
It must be really hard to wipe with 2 tanks considering most tanks can solo packs
sick sentinel
3 tanks 2 dps
lusty tiger
When its done i will
😻
south zealot
Not only do we have feral druid but also a frost mage
reminds me of a 25 streets i did last season where i took the first ppl that applied
shadow and disc priest
south zealot
Gross question, but when you all equip that Gavel is it for Arms or Fury. M+ spe...
anything thet can equipt it badically
feral and guardian use it too
south zealot
?
agile pumice
lay on hands too
sharp zealot
Super pog
south zealot
minor helm
Yuuuuge pulls only
forest cairn
Whats bis trinkets from dinar purchase right now?
urban portal
damn gigachad
tropic gorge
so ive been farming MC on and off since BC for a thunder fury.
and today, i got my first ever binding.
on my mage.
dot. dot. dot.
sharp zenith
me finishing my Thunderfury is why i decided to roll a warr for df xD
lusty tiger
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FjxgB7HVDWn2hK9Z/#fight=last&type=damage-do...
I wanna dps get schooled but too bad the mage wasn’t beat here
tropic gorge
@sharp zenith is the TF mog account wide?
sharp zenith
yes
oblique garnet
Isnt every mog
sharp zenith
yeah lol
my latest issue is finding a tmog for tauren warrior. with TF And possibly bulwark
totally misremembered how yellow onslaught was
tropic gorge
go full wrath gear for og vanilla end game look
or the aq armor for the ultimate end of vanilla
sharp zenith
dreadnaught didn't go to well cuz im missing pants and gloves
sharp zenith
go full wrath gear for og vanilla end game look
Only issue with that is is the set looks old af. and i bulwark doesn't match wrath well
tropic gorge
atm my tank runs a BC mog with the bulwark, and the quel serrar (the og one. not the redux from cata)
sharp zenith
i dont like QS on most my tmog
tropic gorge
i really liked how BC plate looked
sharp zenith
how i feel about gressil too
tropic gorge
its the only ultra rare now weapon i really have. i'd rather have the TF lol
uneven mason
Wtb some high res retexturing on the pre cata gear
sharp zenith
Fr
tropic gorge
my god that would be awesome
lusty tiger
Kinda want a tf now
sharp zenith
destroyer set would be nice for TF + Bulwark if he had HD model
tropic gorge
3% drop rate per binding. you can in theory get both in one run. but you wont
tropic gorge
run in, drop garr and gheddon. hearth out
zinc shale
medivh is so fucking rough
dawn canyon
my latest issue is finding a tmog for tauren warrior. with TF And possibly bulwa...
i like this set on cow 
zinc shale
medivh missile debuff doesnt seem to work
sharp zenith
why i won't use totem anymore
zinc shale
but its still a prot destroyer
zinc shale
every fucking Upper 24-25, Missiles destroy me on medivh, like the third missile cast where cds are gone
fuck me
limpid pawn
hey for gambit, what is considered the best path for this week
for high keys
and is going right generally accepted as superior to left?
(on the beach)
limpid pawn
ok, and you invis all the way to first boss?
limpid pawn
how high of a key do you do on this just curiously
zinc shale
24-25 atm
merry pond
@limpid pawn
merry pond
@zinc shale I don't usually, just had to check in ^^
also considered (incase you have a rogue) to just do first pull with lust, then go boss, and clear rest after last boss again. This is all just since you have Nathrezim stacks.
zinc shale
Couldnt you go the right side for the extra buff though?
Like this
maybe not the giant there
limpid pawn
but then you're skipping the buff on the left side
zinc shale
Yeah i guess it doesnt matter by a huge margin which you go, as long as you get the double buff pack
merry pond
Hm IDK, on higher keys I wouldn't do more than one giant, perhaps late on if you have planned for it and know cds line up perfectly.
zinc shale
yeah thats true
zinc shale
are the guardians played? always skip them entirely
south zealot
i think doing the one and demon is pretty free
lofty widget
Just only pull the infiltrator
merry pond
Yeah, you can pull the Nathrezim solo if you just taunt it. It will trigger it
lofty widget
Theyre not linked if you ht the infiltrator mob
merry pond
yeah, we usually take it with boss. Can be naughty if people aren't used to checking for frontals and sleep puddles tho.
lofty widget
Works in streets too with zulgamux
zinc shale
yeah, we usually take it with boss. Can be naughty if people aren't used to chec...
thats where you say "I FOUND THE SLEEP FIELD GUYS"
south zealot
good to know you can just pull the demon
merry pond
lul
lusty tiger
Frontdeez
merry pond
https://wago.io/JT01xWY0A Here's the entire route incase you want it.
pull 1,2,3 is kind of chained tho IMO. You can pull #2 when the goliath is dead basically, then when low mobs are dead you can take the Nathrezim pack in #3 so forth so forth.
south zealot
rsham kekw
pallid quiver
I'm playing a different video game from everyone else until stacks are down
i ain't standin' in that link unless you put it in my way
urban bane
I hate shaman healers because most use earth ele at the worst moments
zinc shale
yeah
when we're like
SOO MUUCH RAAAAAAGE
suddenly a fucking elemental stealing the aggro and its all gone
urban portal
i dont think thats how it works
some blizz employee specifically said its not an aoe taunt
zinc shale
well then explain losing aggro of 6 mobs all of a sudden
urban portal
lemme find the post
its some complicated stuff
i mean im not saying they dont pulse threat
but its not a fat taunt
lusty tiger
is it just a 1000000x threat modified earthquake?
Because I have pulled off earth eles before lol
merry pond
Basically it's a massive threat generator which can happen after specific scenarios.... Can't remember them all, but for example if the tank drops low, it does it.
urban portal
yeah
dropping low
or kiting away
and some other stuff
are you the real tattman
o shi you are
merry pond
I guess I am ^^
south zealot
yes its a ton of pulsing threat
zinc shale
Because I have pulled off earth eles before lol
ofc you can, but when it pops and youre in he middle of last stand buttonspamming
and you expect X rage, suddenly you dont get that 😄
oblique garnet
ofc you can, but when it pops and youre in he middle of last stand buttonspammin...
Just aoe taunt
its beneficial for both you and the group unless you are doing it specifically to get reset from something i.e necrotic or w/e
That way earth ele lives longer and you still generate the additional extra threat from taunting
oblique garnet
Dunno im a for fun gamer with no schedule so my play times are hard random
: )
did we miss any dungeons ?
Or were all played
🙏
Finals is how many ?
6?
Ye or did it just have more time during the last day or smth
i dont remember
Ah
shut summit
they added scrolls above 35 on TR apparently
so wouldnt be surprised to see jy again
oblique garnet
zinc shale
they added scrolls above 35 on TR apparently
wait, scroll buffs?
steel mist
hey guys if i got the weapon from nathria which is 285 ilvl haste/vers weapon , i dont need to get any weapon by using the dinars , right ?
patent osprey
Nathria one is the bis for key pushing
steel mist
Nathria one is the bis for key pushing
thnk plka
urban portal
idk man
gaunt ocean
patent osprey
I am 🙂 I have Covid T_T after a work trip, so I havent played wow really in like 4 weeks
urban portal
ah i see
patent osprey
That brew is dead -_- I havent touched it at all in s4
urban portal
drink some brew
patent osprey
only warrior all the way
steel mist
getting opinions from plka and tattman is great 
oblique garnet
only warrior all the way
Arent you dps main now? 
patent osprey
Arent you dps main now? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Nah, I just dps in raid for loot cause its hard to main tank in a HOF guild as Prot
Sense is only of the FEW haha
oblique garnet
Sense is only of the FEW haha
Cant believe you did this to me 
patent osprey
A FEW
oblique garnet
True
But its w/e on farm tiers
Everyone is playing whatever they want to basically
oblique garnet
only problem is my dinars are split between dps and prot
Ye which is why i said if i play any bosses as dps im gonna do 0 damage
No gavel
serene steppe
Can you leap over balls on Painsmith?
serene steppe
ah okay, thanks
distant crystal
so it needs to be like a max ranged leap with the balls halfway through it?
i heard jumping before you leap helps y/n?
chrome falcon
y
limpid pawn
ok so i just did a grimrail depot, timed it thankfully
but first boss, group was complaining about "not stacking bosses" or something
like we are supposed to try and kill them evenly right?
b/c big guy enrages if little one dies?
dawn canyon
its very hard to stack em as the guy just jumps all the time
but trying to drag the big one on the smaller is generally helpful
limpid pawn
ok thats waht iw as doing
little guy died way earlier though
and we had to deal with enraged big guy doing humongous stomps
drifting fable
You get a pass don't worry
undone verge
its very hard to stack em as the guy just jumps all the time
the little guy just jumps if the big guy gets close
I usually just charge the little guy when its up for the rage and SB
coral marsh
Guys how exactly do i tankswap + soak + dispelled in phase 3 sylvanas?
Do I just wait for the arrow to jump to next platform and then soak, dispell and taunt?
chrome falcon
on heroic or mythic
undone verge
I usually just clean platforms, dispell, swap, then swap whenever arrow happens, but thats probably not the optimal way
chrome falcon
on first platform you need to get dispeled before you go next
but yes mostly you need to clear next during arrow
just be careful if fury comes out while you clean
because you'll wipe raid
steel mist
guys i got this out of sylvanas
is it good or should i still get crest of lordareon
dawn canyon
@wintry nymph 
this you?
cinder nova
Dos Tarra have a short cast on his tankbuster? Yeah, it's 2s.
coral marsh
I just cant soak on sylvanas
it destroys me
what can i do
whenever i soak i just die instantly
chrome falcon
instantly? idk
logs?
how many are soaking
i can soak like 15 stacks on heroic without noticing it's happening
dawn canyon
yes
oblique garnet
Is it your highest ilvl shield?
Ah yes then use it
The stats on the other one are better but thats about it
coral marsh
When i go to next platform with arrow
i just get destroyed after
and cant soak the other platform
what can i do there
after the arrow hits
chrome falcon
cooldown the arrow
i'm not sure what answer you're expecting
use cooldowns to take less damage from the arrow
think about what buttons you have on your bar and press them
if soaking will kill you then don't soak
chrome falcon
Grimrail Bombardier's Double Slash will no longer be cast on a nearby target if their current target is out of range.
coral marsh
How do you get debuffs in sylv p3 without running into pools?
hazy edge
How do you get debuffs in sylv p3 without running into pools?
Heartseeker applies them
serene steppe
Anyone know if you can check logs for people that got hit by abilities but immuned the hit? Thinking of mythic Guardian specifically
ocean yoke
vernal vale
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
Cooking
desert solstice
So whats the difference between Aegis and RDM? I bought RDM and upgraded to heroic
Did i make the wrong buy?
vernal vale
So whats the difference between Aegis and RDM? I bought RDM and upgraded to hero...
Aegis is an on demand survival CD
RDM is passive consistant damage and absorb
desert solstice
So im pushing 20-23 keys....So Aegis would probably be better cause of the defensive then?
vernal vale
Unless your doing keys 25+ you really don't need it
vernal vale
Some better Warriors than me will say like 28+before aegis
desert solstice
oh wow
vernal vale
Im gonna start pushing higher keys here soon
So yeah in all reality aegis is the pick when you hit the point where nothing you would do could have saved you without the CD of aegis
desert solstice
Makes sense
vernal vale
It also comes off a super early boss.
So it's easy to try and get in all 4 difficulties.
desert solstice
Im actually going for it rn lol
vernal vale
I plugged through the nine during the sanctum tier on mythic
desert solstice
i bet its easy
vernal vale
I think eye is harder than 9
chrome falcon
my ret paladin who plays prot in keys
got aegis on normal
then heroic
then mythic
and couldn't trade me any of them
🙂
vernal vale
and couldn't trade me any of them
RiP
vernal vale
my ret paladin who plays prot in keys
This was one of the dks in my raid this week. Got aegis and wouldn't trade it because he plays blood in keys.
What's worse is the guy has never done a key above 15
chrome falcon
yeesh
vernal vale
Yeah
static aspen
His item, he does what he wants with it
vernal vale
Blood dk with gavel and aegis I would hope but I think he's just a 15s for vault guy
sturdy sable
I mean this season I don't blame anyone for not pushing
vernal vale
I want my portals and keystone hero achiements
After that I'll only push if I can actually put a group together instead of pugs
static aspen
I want my portals and keystone hero achiements
So much selfiness in this text jesus christ. Just because someone else kept his item instead of giving it to you? Because he doesn't even do 15s?
Jesus christ lol
sturdy sable
I think what he said was more in response to what i said
vernal vale
So much selfiness in this text jesus christ. Just because someone else kept his ...
Uh, that has nothing to do with not getting aegis.
It's purely about my personal goals for pushing as minor as they are.
sturdy sable
And sure its his item but what happened to the days of trying to get your tanks the bis trinkets that most players wont ever use and basically only have for rare use cases?
Like i swap to dps spec to try and help my dps as it is expected
Why is the reverse not true
vernal vale
Like i swap to dps spec to try and help my dps as it is expected
I do this as well
If the dps do more damage then we can kill bosses easier.
remote dawn
what die best trinkest for keys around 22-25?
chrome falcon
RDM OWS
onyx vessel
Which one out of the 2 to upgrade 1st?
onyx vessel
vernal vale
OWS doesn't scale as great
vernal vale
whereas RDM proc is twice as strong
I really want my RDM at 304
remote dawn
but rdm can i only have on 291 wayne or other one?
chrome falcon
what?
remote dawn
i can rdm only have on 291, is this okay or i a other one higher from dungeon better?
vernal vale
i can rdm only have on 291, is this okay or i a other one higher from dungeon be...
Heroic RDM is very good.
Better than any dungeon trinket.
foggy lynx
rdm or faulty countermeasure ?
onyx vessel
rdm or faulty countermeasure ?
Sim it tbh
plush prism
jagged pier
celestial
strong forum
Lightless force grants about the same dmg overall in a key as celestial guidance, but CG also makes you a bit tankier so you just default to that
onyx vessel
What about sinful
edgy grail
Sinful is st
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
ionic fern
warm plinth
Work was cray cray
sick sentinel
well, its not a lay on hands
uncut dome
So how much is to much haste?
My stats may have been skewed to hell, since im at 39% base haste and 11% vers
uncut dome
Awesome
strong forum
My stats may have been skewed to hell, since im at 39% base haste and 11% vers
Stats don't matter alot, as long as you're between 30-40% haste without dropping ilvl you're omega fine
median tulip
It's nigh-on impossible to have "too much haste"
jagged pier
Looks like it’s 30% off perfect amount
well technically its a long way as prefect amount of haste is 166%
minor helm
minor helm
lofty widget
is there any way to sim aoe with relative accuracy?
uneven mason
So how much is to much haste?
Doesn't exist
mellow bridge
is there any way to sim aoe with relative accuracy?
just sim patchwerk with whatever amount of targets and timewindow you want
lofty widget
alright yeah thats what i was doing, apparently sfa sims higher than matrix on high target counts as well
mellow bridge
I dont think matrix sims all that well
lofty widget
maybe not. did matrix scale with key lvl or is that just codex?
strong forum
Matrix requires high dmg intake
We take so little dmg that often the absorb of a matrix proc doesn't get fully consumed
So, yes matrix "scales" with key level
And on Sims dmg intake is very little compared to real scenarios
Which is why monks sim less than they could actually deal dmg, cuz of niuzao
lusty tiger
We take so little dmg that often the absorb of a matrix proc doesn't get fully c...
Making me want to upgrade my gavel to mythic instead
lofty widget
would be nice to have some sort of dtps slider to sim those types of items
strong forum
That thing scales insanely with ilvl
lusty tiger
I can’t tank with gavel
strong forum
Then it's up to you whatever you prefer
Tanking or dpsing
Cuz rdm scales insanely well with ilvl too
lusty tiger
Yeah it’ll be about 3-4 weeks before I get another mythic upgrade token
And I definitely don’t get to dps in raid lol other than execute spam
Is it ez to pug heroic i havent since bfa
strong forum
Depends entirely on the group
If everybody knows half of what they're doing the raid will be destroyed in 1-2hrs
We went 6tanks 2/3dps 1/2 healers in CN hc last week and full cleared in 1hr15min
Was an absolute joke
topaz field
ye with a good group the bosses melt
strong forum
Doesn't even have to be a good group
I was top2/3 dps in my hc runs, as tank and it was still insanely free
topaz field
ye well a good group for me is that everyone knows not to kill the raid
strong forum
I guess good is relative
edgy grail
I mean you are good tho 👀
strong forum
Been a few decades
modern brook
Ur not even a few decades old
strong forum
Thank you
sonic crag
would be cool if there was a way to upgrade that 3rd Dinar item with valor or something from M+
seems weird we can buy a 3rd item this week, but only able to upgrade and practically use 2 of them
robust quiver
would be cool if there was a way to upgrade that 3rd Dinar item with valor or so...
thei said that "eventually" all of the raid would be fated at the same time
i guess it's the last 2 weeks of shadowlands?
lol
lofty widget
after next week
robust quiver
is it a guess or somewhat reliable?
sonic crag
So, by the time you would have natrually killed 60 raid bosses anyway?
dawn canyon
after next week
Infintely doing CN
sonic crag
I will do CN and Sepulcher. Hell, I might even do the first 9 bosses of SOD. But Sylvanas? Never again.
robust quiver
SoD is such a shit hole visually
i can't even begin explaining
everything is grey
CN >>> all
sonic crag
It's a shame that CN is thematically the best raid we got, and yet it offers us the least amount of meaningful gear
robust quiver
ye
i'm in shambles btw, like two weeks ago i dropped the workshop haste ring and passed it to a dps friend
i've been running workshop nonstop ever since
never seen it again
urban portal
sylv parse is too hard
sonic crag
To each their own. I refuse to endure a not fun encounter while playing a video game, which is supposed to be for fun
dawn canyon
sylv parse is too hard
Tbf i just have to get through alive and ill have my 90 average and then im happy
balmy canyon
Parses this season are weird since some affixes are much much stronger than others and it looks like they're changing each time we see a raid
sonic crag
Yeah, we got the barrier this week for Sylv, which is basically 2% of her health every time they pop. Thats damage you don't get to do to her, so your parse will suck
balmy canyon
Added to losing the 80% damage buff from doing motes right
sonic crag
During motes, our ret pallies go brrrrrrr
twin minnow
What is the gladiator build I keep seeing people mention? Tried googling and it’s all old info about some stance no longer in game
drifting fable
because its an old stance that is no longer in the game that some people want to come back. essentially was a pseudo-DPS off shoot for prot that let them dps with a 1 hander and shield
twin minnow
Ahh, so it’s irrelevant to current patch. Some guy in a group was adamant about me swapping to “gladiator build, because it slaps”. But I couldnt find any resources lol
drifting fable
idk if youre talking about retail or not tbh
lofty widget
ppl like to compare current necro to old gladiator, but thats only because they have similar apm
drifting fable
saw your comment in the other channel
but its not a thing in retail, but no clue about wrath
twin minnow
WoTLK classic and prepatch
drifting fable
yeah this is a retail server primarily
theres a link to the warrior classic server in the pins in the tbc channel
twin minnow
Thanks
oblique garnet
Guardian
dawn canyon
pro tip
oblique garnet
Got kicked from the group because they wanted to go 2x vdh tanks
dawn canyon
killing all ur dps with slam increases exe dam
dawn canyon
Got kicked from the group <:keks:936231610850897992> because they wanted to go 2...
??????
psure hes doing hc
oblique garnet
Then some people pulled the boss so i got free tag from it
oblique garnet
But not sure if they can kill it