IP is trash
#protection
chrome falcon
trim bay
it felt naughty
chrome falcon
IP only exists to dump rage
onyx briar
More revenge = more ss procs
chrome falcon
if you're not pressing revenge
then you're not getting SS
and then you're not going to have rage for IP anyway
trim bay
yewa
south zealot
i did like 450 ip casts and 370 revenge casts in a jy
wait i did 416 revenge i was looking at ss
nvm im just completely work
wrong
sand pebble
why does 450 ip casts feel like too many
sand pebble
that sounds better
foggy lynx
What item should I pick up with my 2 dinars? I already have ows at 298
mighty valley
RDM or Aegis are both great depending on what you're doing
foggy lynx
Or should I go for one of the shields from the raids or keep the shield I have now?
mighty valley
the endboss shields will be bis if you do mythic raiding or 298 otherwise
compared to 304 maximum m+ vault shield
ilvl's all that really matters on a shield
cinder nova
RDM, 304 weppy, and 304 wrists 
cinder nova
one-handed
mighty valley
rygelon
agile pumice
sire drops token
chrome falcon
THERE ARE THREE SIR
icy garden
Tomato or nothing
grand locust
just wiped on medivh 4 times in a row and gorup broke up. fucking flame wreath is driving me fucking crazy. no one moved. pets dismissed, bronn not summoned. im at a loss
icy garden
Can't they trigger wreath?
grand locust
basically 0 pets around anyone
delicate kraken
If someone dies in flame wreath, it's a wipe
grand locust
that must have been it
delicate kraken
Pets don't affect it, just not moving and not dying
grand locust
ahhh must have been the deaths then
THANK you
is it just very heavy DOT damage on the flame wreathed target?
delicate kraken
Yes
Mostly a healer thing
Should be fine if everything else is being done properly
grand locust
on another note, waht are you guys doing for arcane missiles? absolutely trucks
delicate kraken
Spell reflect last channel to avoid getting debuff
grand locust
it casts between my interrupts, sometimes casts right after interupt. i use SR, fleshcraft, and alternate defensives but it still doesnt seem enough
delicate kraken
Are you taking debuffs?
grand locust
something special about spell reflecting the last channel?
delicate kraken
Yes, it prevents you from getting the 20% stacking debuff
You take increased dmg from missiles every channel
Which is why you spell reflect the very end of cast to avoid the stacking dmg
Its much more manageable without it
grand locust
ohhhh
so have to get that timing down well then right
bc its 0.5 second intervals for casts?
chrome falcon
yup
grand locust
oof
and is the stacking buff for the duration of the fight?
adventure journal does not explain it very well
delicate kraken
There's a duration, don't remember the exact length of it
delicate kraken
It does if you take the full channel
grand locust
so basically alternate between kciking it, and SRing the last cast
and that will prevent full channels
delicate kraken
You'll still take majority of the full channel except for the last tick, which you would spell reflect
If you're still struggling you can just interrupt
grand locust
i mean to say, it will prevent the stacking debuff
delicate kraken
But one less interrupt for more important kicks
delicate kraken
i mean to say, it will prevent the stacking debuff
Yeah
fossil spindle
is the Devastated Worldshard worth buying with a dinar? i have a Blade of Grievous Harm and its already 291
chrome falcon
if you already have OWS, RDM and aegis
and you have mythic upgrade tokens to spend to upgrade it to 311
fossil spindle
im a scrubby heroic raider :/
chrome falcon
don't bother then
vernal vale
Why is sylv such a shitty fight
icy garden
yes
vernal vale
My parse should not be that good for heroic sylv with how bad I played.
mighty valley
Yeah I always feel the same way on sylv
I think everyone must play it SUPER cautious
vernal vale
I think everyone must play it SUPER cautious
I guess
I do wish the fight had execute
urban portal
you know for sure i took ashen on that fight
mighty valley
The people doing heroic might also just have a much higher ilvl than you
urban portal
just because i dont wanna switch conduits
mighty valley
i mean lower
mighty valley
no for sure, just a closer match to "i played kinda ass that fight" parse
urban portal
not like last tier
vestal moat
Anyone have a RDM WA? Just to show when it procs and the amount of absorb left.
vernal vale
no for sure, just a closer match to "i played kinda ass that fight" parse
I was having issues managing my charge weaving on sylv tonight. Felt like I was making lots of mistakes.
mighty valley
yeah, it's rare i feel great about a sylv fight
toxic pewter
Anyone have a RDM WA? Just to show when it procs and the amount of absorb left.
I was thinking this earlier, I also would like this
vernal vale
yeah, it's rare i feel great about a sylv fight
It's just such a long fight and the way she moves to do abilities is just awful
vernal vale
Bridges on sylv origionaly killed me a few times when I tried to leap too soon.
pallid quiver
Thrall and Jaina can both go die in a fire
why in the absolute fuck does one of their bridge formations have a tiny ass, nigh-unseeable hole near the start
vernal vale
why in the absolute _fuck_ does one of their bridge formations have a tiny ass, ...
There one bridge where that holes at the end and another where it's in the middle.
I found all of them when I was playing fury when the content first came out.
pallid quiver
Yeah, the one with the hole at the end gets me the most after leaping, but I'm most mad of the one at the start because for fuck's sake, Thrall, it's RIGHT THERE JUST FIX IT
icy garden
i would get a fusion hacker immediately after i take weapon out of vault
ilvl upgrade by al ong shot but still :(
wait im dumb as shit
its not an ilvl upgrade lol
how does that work for shield slam?
ionic fern
trim bay
this is probably a very very very stupid question. if i intervene a mage in grimrail first boss. will the rocket dmg during the intermission be redirected to me? or as its not a targeted attack they will only get the 20 percent DR
mighty valley
severely doubt it
it's slightly inconsistent which things count as "attached to an attack"
lament shell
let me tell you from my exp
mighty valley
like, you could intervene spires 2nd boss bleed
lament shell
if you reflect intervene as fury warrior to tank on zulgamox
you reflect the tank dot
mighty valley
but grimrail 1st boss doesn't have "the feel" of a thing attached to an auto attack
trim bay
hoary jackal
Quick wednesday question - is the mechagon junkyard shield still crap https://www.wowhead.com/item=169068/salvaged-mekacycle-shielding?bonus=4777
ionic fern
Quick wednesday question - is the mechagon junkyard shield still crap https://ww...
Yes.
mighty valley
Ditch your codex, but otherwise yeah, shield
bold turret
I get RDM this week I think
mighty valley
I guess unless the legs are a massive upgrade, shield ilvl is almost always best
bold turret
I have 304 legs so yeah shield it is. Cheers
unreal karma
holy shit this vault hit me hard, what do i take
what stats does the cn shield have?
strong forum
Vers mast
neat blaze
hi guys, [Codex of the First Technique] its good for warrior prote?
drifting socket
hi guys, [Codex of the First Technique] its good for warrior prote?
Codex is currently not a good trinket for prot warriors, check the pinned messages
neat blaze
I read guides where they advise against it and some where they give it even 35%, I would combine it with the soul of the old warrior. I'm undecided whether to get item level 304 from the vault
drifting socket
the trinkets that are good for us are
old warriors soul
reactive defense matrix/Shard of Annyhide's Aegis
stun grenade
if you check the pinned messages you will see the explanation on codex
jagged pier
so'leash is better than stun grenade
stun grenade is our second best dungeon trinket which is means nothing because dungeons trinkets suck compared to the raid trinkets
neat blaze
thx guys 🙂 have a fun day
ionic fern
stun grenade is our second best dungeon trinket which is means nothing because d...
Stop bully.
My Scale owns.
jagged pier
echo egret
What is the Gluttonous Spike worth ? Can it replace Aegis and save me a Dinar ?
uncut dome
Even the haste version of the ring xD
I got the salvaged mekacycle shield in 304, i guess the hast is beter?
cinder jackal
Hey guys - So other than ilvl, and clear stat preferences, how do you guys run through the mental calculations for which upgrade is better to get?
THere's a pick of the vault, and here's my char -
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/stormscale/bundsmash
I have about 5k valour so can upgrade a lot of the M+ items I have, but with such a shit vault I'm interested to know how I should go about deciding what to take?
Obviously "pick this" answers are useful for now, but I'm interested in how you figure it out when there are so many variables
jagged pier
Even the haste version of the ring xD
well that rings best in slot
jagged pier
Hey guys - So other than ilvl, and clear stat preferences, how do you guys run t...
sockets or memory
strong forum
^
brittle owl
My Scale owns.
scalie
uncut dome
well that rings best in slot
Ah sweet
keen saddle
Is the Fusionhacker mechagon weapon any good without stats? My vault was crappy, now that weapon is siting in my inventory questioning if it does some dmg
hollow zodiac
no shield no weapon no raid trinket 
wtf is that attumen trinket first time I see it, I assume it's bad
jagged pier
mhhh ho good is that trinket stone legion?
better than the other trinket in your vault
outer scroll
yeh not even asking about that one xD
but i guess the cape has soem ilvl+ for me and is high vers
i got same ilvl tierlegs and legenadary are feet
outer scroll
atm i'm running enforcer's stun grenade from iron docks ( gives alot of vers) and the talisan of the Cragshaper from timewalking M+ Netltgarion's Liar (no idea if that is any good)
outer scroll
you got good weapon?
outer scroll
i'm a noob so i'm not giving you advice :p but someone will help you xD
just started playing prot warrior
strong forum
wtf is that attumen trinket first time I see it, I assume it's bad
Turbo bad
timber dagger
not sure ows is actually worth it when you can maintain 90% banner uptime without it
strong forum
do i just take the chest?
Ya chest
strong forum
not sure ows is actually worth it when you can maintain 90% banner uptime withou...
Ows isnt good because of banner uptime, ows is good cuz its basically 2 trinkets worth of stats on 1 trinket
sick sentinel
^
timber dagger
i know but
timber dagger
we have so much haste already with affix
strong forum
So?
sick sentinel
ok so what
jagged pier
so? we need 166% haste for soft cap
strong forum
Unless you hit 166% haste, you Gucci
outer scroll
xD
i still don't know what to take on vault i'm getting to much trinkets that are not bis
sick sentinel
send screenshot i guess
outer scroll
here
strong forum
Cloak or heraldry
sick sentinel
ye aegis is for very high
strong forum
I'd just sim it
outer scroll
Cloak or heraldry
i think trinket will get swapped faster so i think i go for cloak
tulip raft
so much shit lol, guess its socket time? Or mayby gloves got 298 crit vers ones atm
strong forum
Shoulders
tulip raft
got 304 already
strong forum
Then gloves or socket, up to you
trim bay
is there a go to prot warrior strat for first boss lowers
timber dagger
first boss lower is same for all tank
dusky sentinel
Depending on week. But during cauldron. Tell dps to dps the god damn forks. Cant stress it enough. 5th key in a row ive done where 5 forks are up and they blasting boss
cunning knot
Hi, is fusion hacker bad for us?
cunning knot
But like is 304 Fusion hacker better than 304 wep with secondaries? For damage is my guess, but not for def
cobalt seal
prob is in ST
it isn't in AoE
and if you already have a 304 weapon
no point in picking another one
(and you overvaluing the def benefits of stats in a weapon)
digital dove
i mean you could just weapon swap it on for bosses if you like right
robust quiver
sims want me to drop haste to get versa, even tho i'm at like 36% before ows
smells fishy
it's strange because i thought haste brought the most dps, even after diminishings
zealous willow
at last i got 304 shield wow only 7% dmg red from block incrase
feels solid af now
strong forum
sims want me to drop haste to get versa, even tho i'm at like 36% before ows
Both vers and crit are very good for dmg throughput. So the sim isn't wrong there
Especially if you have very little vers, it's a good stat for dmg
I'm currently in the funny situation where the sim is telling me to actually enchant and gem mastery, cuz I have insanely little amounts of it
robust quiver
Especially if you have very little vers, it's a good stat for dmg
that's the strange thing, i'm at like 25% already
sims are sims, so it's correct, it's just that it was unintuitive for me
strong forum
Then try simming crit enchants and sockets, it'll likely tell you to go crit
robust quiver
Then try simming crit enchants and sockets, it'll likely tell you to go crit
yeah i just finished simming stat weights and crit is 1 point higher than haste and half a point higher than versa
i'll probably stick to versa anyway for the miniscule defensive bonus
strong forum
Don't sin statsweigths
robust quiver
are they not accurate?
robust quiver
yeah but i figured it was "good enough"
even if it's a lower quality sim than a straigh top gear
robust quiver
i get that, it won't probably flip a whole point tho xd
dawn canyon
topgear accounts for changes on other pieces and is thus superior
robust quiver
topgear accounts for changes on other pieces and is thus superior
ye i agree anyway
queen stag
Concerning Mechagon Workshop, where can you LoS those slimes after the first boss? The only LoS spot I see is far in the distance near the 2nd boss, and before that it's a long hallway with no LoS points, which means a mega-pull to do it properly
strong forum
All the pipes count as LoS
queen stag
The pipes on the sides of the hallway have no way to get around them though... invisible walls and shit
Should I just do a mega-pull or tank the first slime pack's explosion? Where in that hallway are other LoS points?
drifting fable
some of the pipes you can
the one in the very middle of all the packs yes
and also the walls/ridges near the 2nd drill mob
queen stag
and also the walls/ridges near the 2nd drill mob
Oh those little ramp things?
edgy geyser
Just a general question. With regards to haste, should i still prioritise after diminishing returns?
queen stag
I know what you mean I think, I will try that wall/ridge on the left side of the tunnel
Thanks mate
drifting fable
alternatively you can have your dps just huddle behind LOS themselves while you deal with the slimes with a defensive or you and an immunity dps
queen stag
alternatively you can have your dps just huddle behind LOS themselves while you ...
Fair enough, but unnecessary damage that I could have rather taken during a chain pull at that point and just LoS'd a big slime burst
drifting fable
true. all comes down to group preference on how you wanna pull it. there are some sneaky LOS spots tho
queen stag
Alright I'll prob run it on +2 or something to find em and optimise for them
cobalt seal
Just a general question. With regards to haste, should i still prioritise after ...
you sim
and use the gear it tells you to use
strong forum
Generally the prio is very simple
"Ilvl > haste > vers >=crit > mastery" for general gearing.
If you're worried about diminishing returns and so on, you can just sim, as cro said. As long as you keep a healthy amount of haste and use maxilvl you'll be just fine
tropic gorge
I need more haste. Like 19 or 18 percent without into the fray
Feels bad
strong forum
Neck and ring are you best ways to go about that
Upper Kara neck alone is 7%
If you have tier pieces, helmet shoulders chest and legs should be another 15+%
Then slam on mechagon rings for another 10+%
tropic gorge
I have a mech ring, forgot where my neck came from. The grind continues lol
marsh aurora
Gambit doesn't exactly have bis items but a decent neck and a decent ring if you happen to have that key
tropic gorge
My mastery atm is stupid high. Like 54 percent crit block, 33 percent base block. I think I may have a bit too much there
marsh aurora
Mastery is quite meh aswell
tropic gorge
I like the idea or whatever of crit block. But yeah, bit too much lol
undone owl
I just wish I could crack the code on banner uptime. I watched @chrome falcon 's video and i'm good on the test dummy now, but in keys im rage starved, often.
consolation is that mastery is meh 😄
undone owl
jagged pier
your casts are giga low
u press SS about half as much asu should
u arent using reprisal at all really
marsh aurora
you have the same issue as i did before, you're not pressing enough buttons basically
jagged pier
i just literally skipped to a part of your upper kara run and u had SS off cd for 7 seconds without presing it
your blocked hits are also aweful 56% should be 80% at least
so u arent paying attention to SB at all
as well as reprisal and all your other buttons
undone owl
your blocked hits are also aweful 56% should be 80% at least
so more ... got it.
topaz field
codex 
jagged pier
i mean there are much bigger problems than codex
topaz field
yep and these problems result in codex looking decent at first glance 😦
in your id you pressed TC almost as often as SS
very illegal as jakey already said
marsh aurora
i'm gonna say exactly what i've been told when i posted a log that looked the same :
- pay more attention to SB
- prioritize basically anything but thunder clap
- spam IP between cds during banner
- Shield slam, always, on cd
- intervene as much as possible
and then figure out what mobs you can walk away from to charge safely
tardy sequoia
do you think Pawn is worth using or is it bad?
marsh aurora
keeping banner up without using reprisal is close to impossible, stacking up nice banners with reprisal allows you to carry it from pull to pull or to keep it up during downtimes
jagged pier
its very easy to gear
- does it has more strength? - if yes equip, if not dont
- if no strength or same strength which has more haste? - equip that one
its that ez
tardy sequoia
its very easy to gear
1) does it has more strength? - if yes equip, if not dont...
so for dps spec is it suitable then?
jagged pier
it used to be i have no clue anymore
i mean u can just sim to find out whats better if your dps anyway
ionic fern
I don't think it's suitable for anyone..it's flawed by design.
Every stat change influences your stat priority.
marsh aurora
just use simc and raidbots
sick sentinel
for when my patch 4.3.4 stats addon DIES dies
tardy sequoia
for when my patch 4.3.4 stats addon DIES dies
wait... you mean cataclysm?
sick sentinel
it just causes random errors
yes really, and if i wasn't so fucking poor, i'd pay someone who knows coding to re-write it for me/others
its one of those types of things that is just too handy not to have
some piece of loot drops and i KNOW it has 1.84% haste or 3.23% crit
i don't have to guess, i just know. upon seeing it drop and click it once, LONG LONG LONG before asking for the item to be traded, or having to equip it and the other item about 3 or 4 times to see the real difference
drifting socket
your blocked hits are also aweful 56% should be 80% at least
where does it show blocked hits in Wlogs
drifting socket
ta
sick sentinel
i hate having to guess everything applies to keys as well, never sure exactly whats coming up damage intake wise or mechanic we are supposed to do and so i freeze up do badly or make poor choices
and yes really, 4.3.4
robust quiver
keeping banner up without using reprisal is close to impossible, stacking up nic...
i don't know about this, i feel like i can keep up banner 100% while in active combat without charge and sometimes without intervene (i'm bad and esp lazy sometimes)
i think a good last stand window can do wonders in that regards
sick sentinel
i think a good last stand window can do wonders in that regards
i just think it feels so weird to pile up tons of rage, and then we dump it on.... a DR asborb....
drifting fable
you can keep it up without reprisal but its much nicer to just have extra rage
sick sentinel
a good one, but, a priest bubble basically
robust quiver
i just think it feels so weird to pile up tons of rage, and then we dump it on.....
yeah but what can you do
revenge spam is not enough to not overcap
sick sentinel
and, were supposed to be warriors all about attack and kill and shit
you get what i mean??
robust quiver
especially during increased rage generation periods
robust quiver
you get what i mean??
actually the prot warrior fantasy i always had was to be a literal wall
drifting fable
if we had anything other than IP to press for that kind of rage dump value we would
robust quiver
if i think of damage dealers tanks i think of dhs and monks (speaking from a fantasy standpoint)
marsh aurora
i don't know about this, i feel like i can keep up banner 100% while in active c...
outside of last stand you can't really stack up uptime without reprisal if a downtime is coming
sick sentinel
monk tank is sorta OP cuz touch of death
not an execute, ah, this mob just literal physical actual, does not exist now
robust quiver
outside of last stand you can't really stack up uptime without reprisal if a dow...
probably, but there are times where you get outburst procs back to back
sick sentinel
paralyze is fucking op if group knows how it works too
robust quiver
what i mean is reprisal is awesome, and helps you a lot
sick sentinel
basically instant ranged rogue sap/mage sheep not cast
robust quiver
but i don't think it's necessary just speaking about banner uptime
on the side of shield block tho, another story
robust quiver
paralyze is fucking op if group knows how it works too
meh
sick sentinel
i fell out of love with prot warrior recently, badly enough that i re-rolled a BDK, brew, and changed faction/server for mage who im main-ing now
tired of inhaling the hopium
marsh aurora
been playing a ton of fury war and prot pal, it's fun
robust quiver
i played bdk last season, "pushed" a bit and felt completely bored
it's just too strong
ionic fern
tired of inhaling the hopium
?
robust quiver
and at the key level we did push (24-25) i wasn't really threatened by anything, it felt i could be playing with one hand and still be fine
sick sentinel
i can get a group just as fast for my mage as i do on my warrior
all things considered
ionic fern
Ok, what's the hopium for?
sick sentinel
its like, you start working at a shitty job so you get get a leg up foot in the door in something not as bad later
i did quit through half of panda all of wod and all of legion to come back for BFA start, i had nothin
ionic fern
So..you diddn't like tanking?
sick sentinel
i mean i did, and i do,
marsh aurora
was the issue tanking or prot war
ionic fern
If you diddn't like Prot warrior as a class..fair enough i guess.
sick sentinel
the issue was i limited my self to only protection warrior for all of BFA and shadowlands
robust quiver
i still don't understand the "hopium" part tho xd
you thought prot warrior would be fotm?
marsh aurora
i think he means prot would be top tier at some point in SL
robust quiver
because otherwise i feel prot is really strong right now
sick sentinel
should have been listening to the part calling out to break free and do something different
now that i had gotten feet really wet
robust quiver
tbf there was zero chance prot warrior would have been the best tank after BFA
it was too dominant for too much i guess
sick sentinel
i just... i think there is nothing more sobering and doomer feeling than you play something leveling up and it feels amazing and then you got to a +10 +15 key/ normal heroic raid and your like OH
thats why this spec sucks everyone was telling me earlier
and then its like, you could've gone fotm route
chrome falcon
yogi
no offence
but your not enjoying prot warrior is nothing to do with the strength of the class
i've seen logs of you pressing shield block once every 3 minutes
robust quiver
but your not enjoying prot warrior is nothing to do with the strength of the cla...
^
chrome falcon
you're just, like, astoundingly bad at it
tropic gorge
I can't speak for others but I've always enjoyed pwar play style
It is ofc always nice when we have been Hella strong before (coff coff bfa)
tropic gorge
Looking forward to df opening with us in a good or strong position
drifting fable
the 304 :O
sick sentinel
I dunno, i got a 6 month sub anyways
dawn canyon
i shall not judge
sick sentinel
not like im going anywhere....
robust quiver
the 304 is yummy tho, weekly chest
sick sentinel
still installed, still playing
chrome falcon
oh great my first vault this season that has something usable in it
and i have to pick between a 304 shield and a 304 weapon
robust quiver
and i have to pick between a 304 shield and a 304 weapon
it's the rule, either the best 6 vaults slots you could open all toghether, or nothing
jagged pier
and i have to pick between a 304 shield and a 304 weapon
just have 311 of both already
sick sentinel
i was watching a stream of some guy the other day
chrome falcon
yeah i'm not even gonna pick
until mythic clear is done
surely i get at least one of aegis/ows/311 weapon/311 shield
in 4 full clears of the raid
smile
🙂
sick sentinel
and he only does pugs i guess, but as a bdk for like +23 keys and then he has a google docs of who he played with, if it timed and how many stars, how many deaths, and lists notes
robust quiver
and he only does pugs i guess, but as a bdk for like +23 keys and then he has a ...
ah, it's metro isn't he?
sick sentinel
yeah.
topaz field
and i guess hes playing codex
sick sentinel
i liked him until KAI rian, (key-rian)
its pronounced key in the god damn voice lines, thats almost like willful ignorance on his part unless there's some source that says its kai-rian
robust quiver
btw on a side note, i really think pugging is like the fastest way to hate the game, and i don't understand why so many people are interested in playing the game like it was single player
jagged pier
because apart from nome my friends dont like m+ so dont do it, so if i want to do m+ i have to pug
sick sentinel
like to go against what 90% of the voice lines pronounce it as, i just don't get it lol, so he drives me nuts
robust quiver
because apart from nome my friends dont like m+ so dont do it, so if i want to d...
you need to one up your salesman capabilities
robust quiver
lol
jagged pier
this season is perfect for me
robust quiver
then it's problem solved xd
jagged pier
i can just raid log
jagged pier
i got invited twice
sick sentinel
mythic + is very good, but its best enjoyed by a group of 3-4 people and at least 1 pugger imo
sick sentinel
5 it just gets stale
jagged pier
yer when im out and your 5 mins away from doing keys not like an hour in advance or somthing
cobalt seal
well xD
sick sentinel
yeah, but don't worry about saying im bad matta, i've learned and i don't really give a crap much on warrior any more, said it loads, warrior is kill
cobalt seal
it's like you are surprised we do stuff like that xD
when I'm actually impressed
we managed to have raids more or less on time
jagged pier
yes i have seen that at least
sick sentinel
TBH, if it weren't for you guys i doubt i'd have EP glory mount or BFA keystone mount, or season 3 SL mount
i'd be some shitter hard stuck on +7's
running, i dunno, the wall, 235, with 250 ilvl as of today with blues
tropic gorge
This discord has helped me become a better player as well yogi
sick sentinel
its like the one thing i dislike more than anything is we're mid key everyone WAS excited at the start and then you've wiped 3 times you've only done the first boss and healer is complaining and someone else is complain you specifically didn't do this, didn't interuppt enough and your garbage
and that is like soul leaves body
tropic gorge
At that point I've found the next wipe is a disband
What level keys do you run yogi
sick sentinel
everything gone up in flames, nibelhiem-esque from ff7, just without the sepiroth
tropic gorge
Lol
strong forum
tropic gorge
Lmao
vernal vale
raid pug with 2 pwars
This hurts my soul
lofty widget
cant tell if worth or i just grab 2 sockets and gem the 298
drifting fable
the 304 for sure i would think, can always get 2 sockets on some other week
cobalt seal
and gain stats overall
lofty widget
yea thats the choice i prefer as well
untold minnow
median tulip
cant tell if worth or i just grab 2 sockets and gem the 298
It's only 1 socket, because you're getting a free one on that 304
lofty widget
took sockets, no ragrets
drifting fable
nah the leech is worth
oblique garnet
because apart from nome my friends dont like m+ so dont do it, so if i want to d...
Woah ok i thought we had something
ionic fern
Same.
jagged pier
Woah ok i thought we had something
we havent even played yet
oblique garnet
That is true
jagged pier
😦
sick sentinel
This hurts my soul
this guy was tanking my key last week, he seems to have switched from single leggo head vit sac to echo of eonar belt
my guess it it has to be elaborate troll, its too complicatedly bad not to be
dawn canyon
Leave this chad in peace
tropic gorge
I like his shield mog
Yogi you never answered me earlier, what range of keys do you run?
cunning pecan
So I've only got two clears on Lower Kara fortified. How do you guys deal with Shared Suffering on Tyrannical? Depleted my +18 last night because of it.
sick sentinel
i did KSM 2500 last season and quit
tropic gorge
Well if you run anything around 13 to 16 hit me up. Let's run stuff
sick sentinel
season 1 and 2 was too hard or i wasn't good enough something didn't make it for KSM then
tropic gorge
Bring your mage
sick sentinel
if it doesn't show on profile (i think i updated it to display to world my blizzard ID) i'm deathray44#11383
chrome falcon
So I've only got two clears on Lower Kara fortified. How do you guys deal with S...
Use CDs or group soak it
robust quiver
Is there a way to consistently bug the first boss of streets into chain casting the rotating shield?
tropic gorge
Excellent. I opened a chat (I like your security settings). I'll add you when I get home, and I'll @ you here or over in Gen chat
robust quiver
i managed to get it going a couple of times just going out of his hitbox and then inside it, but it's inconsistent
is it even a thing?
tropic gorge
Speaking of that dude. Is it just me, or does rotating him seem to move that shield faster
I've not yet seen him chain cast it. Even running in and out of mele range etc
robust quiver
Speaking of that dude. Is it just me, or does rotating him seem to move that shi...
Idk about that, but for the chain casting sometimes it does the cast, finishes it, the shield pops and then immidiately disappear and he starts recasting it
i don't even know if the bug is related to something i'm doing or to something else
the nice thing is he doesn't cast fully armed
tropic gorge
My first thought is possible latency. I can't recall seeing or experiencing that
lofty widget
only thing i know regarding that shield is demo locks bug it out
robust quiver
oh that might be it
i mean i almost always play with a demo friend
so that's it?
robust quiver
i see
tropic gorge
Ah the rare warlock. Not as rare as monk, but rare nonetheless
pseudo crest
the wrong one 
drifting fable
unlucky 
cunning pecan
Use CDs or group soak it
Thanks.
mellow bridge
jy is a joke 
tropic gorge
Just take it to the face
Bonus points for having the Phoenix trinket and punishing the group if the healer let's you down
mellow bridge
i aint no bitch
no cheat deaths here
(had to play aegis tho because i missed the first few weeks of raid and couldnt buy ows yet kekw)
tropic gorge
Lol
I recently upgraded trinkets and have aegis in my bags. I kinda miss the oh shit button
But the massive ilvl and Stat increase is more than worth it. Esp when using lfg
mellow bridge
aegis is good
but feels pretty wasted on tyra
wouldve played ows rdm if i had it
especially in jy, it wasnt too bad for grimrail at least
toxic pewter
i use aegis in upper
I just find myself having a much better time on shade of medivh with my aegis
just wish aegis did some dam 😛
but the 1.5 min cd if it did any more damage it would be mega super ultra op
prisma crane
But the massive ilvl and Stat increase is more than worth it. Esp when using lfg
LFG uses bag ilvl anyways
prisma crane
Yea. Early in the expansion they even had to hot fix it to only count 2 legos. People had a bunch of the crafting items in their bags and inflated like crazy
mellow bridge
yea aegis is probably good for upper
naive mauve
Which trinket should i buy first?
Aegis, ows or matrix? 😄
karmic plinth
OWS and get rid of codex
naive mauve
I have already 36% haste and the affixe give me so much haste ^^
uneven mason
I have already 36% haste and the affixe give me so much haste ^^
Haste best boi until 100%
toxic pewter
rdm stronger more mobs attacking you ya
lofty widget
I have already 36% haste and the affixe give me so much haste ^^
the affix is multiplicative, so it's actually better the more rating you have
lofty widget
wth rdm does little dmg on ST
SFA week for sure 
urban portal
rdm stronger more mobs attacking you ya
rdm isnt stronger the more mobs you have
the only requirement is the procs not overwriting itself
toxic pewter
oh
urban portal
which means higher damage input
toxic pewter
I stand corrected then
karmic plinth
5% from a trinket is good
oblique garnet
SFA week for sure <:Sighted:668436711973584907>
Sfa?
urban portal
stuff like phial was doing like 4.5% of overalls
oblique garnet
Oh fusion amplifier
urban portal
idk man
lofty widget
dont have it yet so cant tell you
urban portal
sims tell you that
oblique garnet
Dont you pull trash on top of every boss this week basically
urban portal
its "weaker" in aoe
lofty widget
gonna test it in 27 WS later this week
digital crag
best slot for 2nd legendary (unity) ? i have reprisal on boots
lament shell
cloack or wrists
karmic plinth
pick the slot that givrs the coolest transmog
digital crag
thank you good sir
drifting fable
neck is fine too
comes down to what loot you already have
xymox charity cache thing looks pretty interesting
strong forum
wth rdm does little dmg on ST
key level not high enough
and in raid the variance of rdm is quite a thing
olive rock
Whats the best trinket for doing damage as a tank for prot war ?
mellow bridge
@naive mauve enchant your gloves smh
olive rock
ows and scars is also a decent combo for aoe
O thanks
strong forum
The guardian one
salvaged fusion amplifier
olive rock
Thank you
real fossil
Would you use sfa on tyrannical weeks in keys in the 15-19 range
strong forum
i would be using sfa on any keylevel
real fossil
Sfa is mostly single target damage though right?
robust quiver
sfa is so ugly tho, what's the second best trinket for damage?
strong forum
scars is really good, but youll take 10% more dmg
olive rock
On my monk i tank with scars and cache on any key level
Tanks doing more damage is fun
robust quiver
was scars buffed or something? i seem to remember it was bad in s3
urban portal
n it did
real fossil
it does like 600+ dps in keys
Damn did not realize it was that much
strong forum
was scars buffed or something? i seem to remember it was bad in s3
got buffed by 25%
robust quiver
ah i see
olive rock
got buffed by 25%
And we lost other good trinkets
robust quiver
ye i guess
olive rock
Like crystal
real fossil
Do you happen to know the numerical dps from Rdm
olive rock
I miss him
strong forum
RDM can do as much as 1k dps, but you need to take actual dmg
strong forum
in real keys, matrix is your best dps trinket
and your best tank trinket
thats how strong it is
in @lofty widgets JY25 matrix did over 700dps
olive rock
STR users should have a trinket like the Cache
That trinket on my monk tank does like 15% of my dmg
urban portal
yea
idk about that
imagine being rogue
and 20% of your damage comes from trinket
tbf
thats basically gavel
gavel is basically cache
thats why feral is so op rn
they can use both!
strong forum
That trinket on my monk tank does like 15% of my dmg
people heavily complained in BFA that 50% of their dmg wasnt even class related
DH for example was literally 60% just essences, trinkets and corruption procs
mighty valley
yeah it was a bummer when my top damage was a purple laser beam from space
real fossil
But twilight dev goes brr
olive rock
I am ok with this if i can do much dmg as a dps player
urban portal
and whats stopping dps players from using the same trinket
olive rock
A unholy dk can use Gavel and still will be outdpsed by a blood dk
strong forum
only if the unholy is bad
urban portal
that is just
big cap
yeah
unholy and frost are somehow weirdly hard to play
for how easy they seem to be
mighty valley
at least frost doesn't have to play breath now to do good damage
i like breath but players are often really bad at it while thinking they're good
and messing up a couple GCDs makes your damage fall off a cliff
dawn canyon
at least frost doesn't have to play breath now to do good damage
Yes they do
mighty valley
oblit with gavel is fine now
sick sentinel
Unholy is cracked at st wdym beat by a bdk
sick sentinel
Ye
urban portal
unholy is #2 in exec
pretty sure
also scales with the # of gavels in the party
if you have 4 gavels
sheesh
lofty widget
hmm yes remnant is fun when every dps dies at 20 %
lusty tiger
Do you coordinate the gavel spawns for soul reaper CD?
lusty tiger
So all that needs to happen is the udk is assigned to killing the souls
Do they not run away?
urban portal
no
well they expire 30 seconds
technically you should spread gavel usage
but who really cares
once army falls off you dont really need it anymore
lusty tiger
Save 1 for 2nd apocalypse lol
urban portal
you could
south zealot
wassup hoes
delicate kraken
unholy has like 7 different GCDS they need to rip out on a pull
Every button is fighting to be pressed
modern brook
ha POSER cant even name unholy's opening rotation in 30s
sick sentinel
ha POSER cant even name unholy's opening rotation in 30s
literally me
sick sentinel
i know the names of dk abilities, but not what they do besides blood
cuz blood is melee + heal + dmg DR
unholy i don't know any of the names of abilities or talents, just that UH is/was broken
frost i like,
lament shell
Bosses like 1st boss strts do 0 dmg on tyrannical
26 is fairly low but do i need to do +30 for rdm to be good?
sick sentinel
true first boss streets is omega giga free
sick sentinel
there is a billion ways for dps to get out of the prisons and he does fuck all besides summons death circles
wow 101 shit, 2004 boss stuff
lament shell
Nome said key level to low for rdm to be good
sick sentinel
u can like, blink, ice block, assuming freedom, probably bops
lament shell
u can like, blink, ice block, assuming freedom, probably bops
You can even pot the stun but thats a forbidden tech
sick sentinel
not forbidden if it makes you complete the key
bold turret
You can even pot the stun but thats a forbidden tech
What type of pot? Invis?
sick sentinel
no, its updated free action potion
strong forum
Unhindered passing is very goog on streets first boss
lament shell
Yep its a troll not having it
strong forum
Ams, spell warding, bubble, marileth fleshcraft, bear incarn with sleeper also works
sick sentinel
human get out of stun jail free, every man for himself GIGACHAD
lament shell
Because of one change in s3 made cage acale with keylevel
strong forum
You can spell ward them
sick sentinel
self remove stun is really, really good
bold turret
Oh thanks
lament shell
Fleshcraft merilith works
strong forum
Why wouldn't you
lament shell
Who plays paladin
sick sentinel
spell warding could be good sure
lament shell
I dont think prot pala can get to that key level where it matters
lofty widget
ofc they can
strong forum
?
lament shell
Yes will a premade
strong forum
But rest is omega fine
sick sentinel
all of streets is free
toxic pewter
how good is adaptive armor fragment and is it bad that I am considering running something else over it
sick sentinel
mario fire sticks before first boss hurt
sick sentinel
thats about all i can think of
gambit is "oh god i hope everyone is targeting the white caster healer murloc" for the first 5 ish minutes
strong forum
how good is adaptive armor fragment and is it bad that I am considering running ...
AAF is your 3rd best potency
dawn canyon
I too shall be calling my shit takes jokes from now on
strong forum
It's banner > AJ > AAF > sof
toxic pewter
Ok
is there argument for SOF even over AAF
or am i just out there with my thinking
strong forum
No
toxic pewter
Ok
strong forum
The argument would only be sof over aj cuz threat
modern brook
more like soft
toxic pewter
true
strong forum
But execute is huge so aj is pretty sexy
toxic pewter
what do you think of consensed anima sphere --> travel with boop just get anoher endurance over potency
skip frictionless coating aaf
brisk sparrow
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g9NmDQNofiJmXMYWV1UpTn my sims really want me to give up on haste - but I can't really see why
lament shell
tf is itf
strong forum
If you sim for m+, it's true that crit/vers are better for raw dmg
strong forum
tf is itf
Into the fray
Like rn im sitting at 32% crit, 32% haste unbuffed and 10% vers cuz Sims says so
strong forum
Well it's not like crit is making you squishier lol
I have over 30% parry, that accounts for alot less dmg taken
lofty widget
crit is really nice defensively
lament shell
ye + more revenge procs right ?
strong forum
Revenge is capped at 3ppm
You don't want free revenges anyway
Unless you play bsc
lament shell
nice
brisk sparrow
so simming for m+ i should go with into the fray? just to make sure I have smooth gameplay? 🙂
strong forum
No, ravager is better
But I assumed you simmed for full St
Cuz for raid itf is more boss dmg
brisk sparrow
just simwise or what do you guys sim as? or should I use my brain?...that could be a problem^^
strong forum
I myself sim only for m+
So I always run ravager sim 1t 3min
Then anything between 5-8t 8min for aoe
Without Lust
Obv also disable windfury, monk buff if you don't have
robust quiver
You don't want free revenges anyway
don't free revenges count as rage being spent nonetheless for tier/banner? Or did i see wrong
dawn canyon
3 min 
brisk sparrow
and then you go for more vers&crit? or does aoe also prefer higher haste values?
strong forum
don't free revenges count as rage being spent nonetheless for tier/banner? Or di...
They don't
strong forum
3 min <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
Ya bosses don't rly live for longer than 3min in m+
robust quiver
They don't
I must have seen ghosts
drifting juniper
strong forum
and then you go for more vers&crit? or does aoe also prefer higher haste values?
I just do what sim says, crit guud, haste guud, vers also guud but not as much
oblique garnet
If you sim with ITF, it'll go back to haste <:okayge:917646812519739433>
mine just wants me to go vers now on ST 
oblique garnet
Pretty much yeah
brisk sparrow
oh okay -cause I always thought I try to aim for around 40% haste roughly, as long as I don'T loose out on ilvl
oblique garnet
Agreed my gear kinda bad lost a socket today
minor helm
Bozo
lament shell
sacrified booba for dwarf racial
strong forum
Anything between 30-40% haste is omega fine
It's just at 40% haste you wanna avoid getting more
oblique garnet
Got mythic helm lost a socket not worth 
strong forum
Got mythic helm lost a socket not worth <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Socket crit 
oblique garnet
No
oblique garnet
I cba switching gems between every run
dawn canyon
good beard tho
strong forum
Unironically, sim told me to go mastery yesterday
oblique garnet
Because haste just better in actual keys where im the only tank
mortal brook
we cant all have excellent mogs
strong forum
Wrong
oblique garnet
Its an abomination if i go with it on dwarf
dawn canyon
what mog
strong forum
lament shell
im a dwarf too i have savory fish delight on cd
ye female for that pirate form
ofc
lofty widget
sry if this offends anyone but this is peak mog
dawn canyon
shoulders changed and ur good
dawn canyon
sry if this offends anyone but this is peak mog
where tcg tabard
strong forum
wrong sword
No?
lofty widget
ugly
oblique garnet
shoulders changed and ur good
Wrong its not the same
lament shell
sry if this offends anyone but this is peak mog
good
brisk sparrow
thank you very much for the help 🙂
mortal brook
would this work on dwarf?
shut summit
dwarf sucks
mortal brook
ye
shut summit
gimme stoneform on tauren
oblique garnet
Facts
mortal brook
dark irons are cuties tho
oblique garnet
But then again tauren has issues with being stuck in doors
lament shell
dark dwarf have little costumization options
shut summit
mortal brook
prot ever had problems with racial size and size of their abilities? tankadin had one back in bfa
had to keep using toys to be a larger race for Aegis of Light to cover better
dawn canyon
if anything its burgy toy for LOS
shut summit
on jailer being so big would cause you to get hit by multiple bombs of people in hole
cause of it thinking you were LoS or some stupid shit
mortal brook
https://i.imgur.com/q03HWWD.png
https://i.imgur.com/p54znGx.png
Dark iron size
Tauren size
the visual was indeed the coverage
mortal brook
pixel stack lmao
coral marsh
Should I craft unity on bracer, cloak or neck?
dawn canyon
https://i.imgur.com/q03HWWD.png
https://i.imgur.com/p54znGx.png
Dark iron size
...
sloot's weakaura?
mortal brook
casual sloot weak aura enjoyer
coral marsh
Does cloak and neck come with a free socket?
coral marsh
Is wrist or neck better?
dawn canyon
depends on ur gear
lament shell
if you play fury dont do on wrist
coral marsh
No i mean from a bis point of view
mortal brook
taller races get less los in grimrail traincars but also worse camera angles
kinda depends on your 311 access tbh
coral marsh
I mean from a bis 304 point of view
lament shell
aware
distant crystal
oh damn
strong forum
Cloak/neck/wrist depending on your options
mortal brook
gamon and vrykul drinking horn
strong forum
Die grimrail camera die
coral marsh
Ye but is it better to max out the sec stats of neck or the bracer/cloak?
distant crystal
just go first person
coral marsh
stat wise
strong forum
Cloak and wrist are identical, wrist gets the free socket, neck gets the free socket
The difference is literally sub 0.1%
Unless you get 311s
distant crystal
cloak and wrist are weird lol, at some ilvls cloak is like 1 more primary stat iirc
strong forum
If you get 311s,then belt is your best slot for unity
distant crystal
but haven't seen it this season, i think there's some wonky rounding somewhere that makes it show up at certain ilvls
toxic pewter
y this priest not doing any dmg in my group
is it rude to like tell him healers need to do damage these days
mortal brook
cuz you're taking avoidable damage and stealing their attention away from damage?
or they are playing a spectator sport. one of the two
coral marsh
Do identical itemlevel neck or bracer give us more stat value?
strong forum
Bracers give you mainstat, neck gets you more secondary stats
It's literally within margin of error levels of differences
coral marsh
ye but that is covered by cloak, tier etc.
strong forum
I'm using unity on bracers now cuz I get the socket have a 304 cloak and a good neck
shut summit
grimrail so much better without storming
strong forum
Yeah
shut summit
that place and horses in lower some of the most toxic shit ever
strong forum
We did GD28 and I literally wanted to jump off so many times
cobalt seal
dungeons dont have haste verse
here a mindblowing take
strong forum
Get stuck on infinite things, bait the shrapnel everywhere, bait the grenades everywhere
cobalt seal
vers is overrated
strong forum
Grimrail is literally banned on week11
Sanguine + storming
That's a full afk week
lament shell
is there affix list for whole season?
strong forum
It's the same as s3
cobalt seal
previous season
shut summit
its full afk rest of season after this week
uneven mason
Sanguine + storming
🤮
lament shell
oh ty
strong forum
its full afk rest of season after this week
The last tyr week is still good
south zealot
has anyone figured out how to consistently bug out first boss on streets
to make him kepe castingshield
strong forum
Tyr volc + something, forgot what it was
south zealot
yeah theres a volanic bursting tyran later in season
shut summit
we just tryin to get above cutoff so its still afk anyways 
toxic pewter
or they are playing a spectator sport. one of the two
991 dps for an entire workshop 22 from the healer.. I feel like thats really low
dawn canyon
it is
urban portal
thats too much dps
strong forum
