with zul?
#protection
plush prism
sudden shell
I just like spamming
plush prism
oh throw works even withi the gate up
lol
just to clarify this works in like 20s?
is my group going to think this is normal?
lol
sudden shell
I do it every run
plush prism
kk
sudden shell
No one ever says anything
south zealot
can just tell them too
plush prism
yeah I'm a communicative tank
sudden shell
What are they going to do tank heh
thin raven
hihey is seismic Reverberation a thing?
sudden shell
plush prism
is this the 2k io warlock in the group that thinks he's hot shit?
thin raven
cuz ive seen the current rank1 running it in some highkeys
sudden shell
I killed every dreadlord I could find in gambit other day had a nice 15 stacks
lofty widget
nah seismic is not good
south zealot
theres basically 0 reason to use it
lofty widget
it's barely a dps upgrade and super hard to play optimally
south zealot
reprisal gives good damage anyway
plush prism
I killed every dreadlord I could find in gambit other day had a nice 15 stacks
nice. got 16 or 17 in streets the other night lol
lofty widget
and you drop a shit ton of defense
drifting fable
its good aoe damage but you sacrifice all tankiness and ST damage that reprisal helps with
seismic feels so bad on bosses
lofty widget
you have to actively pull around seismic to make it work
sudden shell
Yea I mean super coordinated play is not something 90% of ppl running keys do
lofty widget
cant just equip it and expect to blast
sudden shell
Even with ppl in discord ppl still go off do their own things lol
thin raven
okay thank u guys
distant crystal
strafe a little
undone owl
I'm leaning toward the neck?
distant crystal
that's a big one
undone owl
not sure what the ring does
mighty valley
not a great ring, that's the "if you're below 50% health" one
what's your current helm? can always zap it into tier
neck is big haste, seems fine
undone owl
298 tier helm
prime roost
what do you guys think?
drifting fable
298 tier helm
helm unless you can get a mythic 311 helm
a neck at 298 will still be good
mighty valley
what do you guys think?
helm ez
drifting fable
yup helm for sure
prime roost
This week was tough... I only could play yesterday and I did what I could to get something in the vault
Helm it is... thanks for the help guys
mighty valley
I mean that's pretty good, best ilvl helm outside of last mythic bosses
drifting fable
yup if you dont raid mythic thats the best youll ever see
west kayak
Just curious what y'all are spending your "Dinar's" on?
drifting fable
ows/rdm/aegis then wep/shield
lusty grotto
whatever the pins say
if pins say to throw myself off a cliff without using heroic leap, im there
vapid lynx
Spent mine on OWS and RDM idk what ima spend my 3rd on, maybe lords shield 🤷
lusty grotto
im probably gonna get gavel fuck it
after those 2
since i dont raid
298 shield forever or 🙏 ge for vault
vapid lynx
I just want the lords shield transmog and that damn thing won’t drop for me at all
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
until right now
i did not know scars had a "finale"
or, maybe it had gone off in the past but i never saw it too busy killing crap
cuz, normaly i would go to 3/4 stacks for the buffs, and then just let them buff me (basic asborb, barriers on mage would be IP on warrior)
urban portal
yogi learns new things every day
mighty valley
sounds like you never had the final rune pop while trying to do a wo skip last season
good times
the final stack is where all the power is
it doubles everything AND has the big explosion
grand locust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9K7A4zcdbqP86Q3t/#fight=last&type=auras&source=5
77% SB uptime OK? I do let it drop at end of packs/when im execute spamming when a target is about to die
lusty tiger
Sometimes I let it drop in mythic bosses to execute
Not saying it’s right but not saying it’s bad either
lusty grotto
auras is not what you should be looking at
lusty tiger
Low banner time for so much cpm
grand locust
yeah i feel like my banner time is bad
lusty grotto
this is
grand locust
i feel like i let it drop a lot (i dont cap rage)
lusty grotto
lusty tiger
oh i thought it was encouraged to dump rage eve nif IP is capped
It is
lusty grotto
and any other blockable attacks
lusty tiger
But you are spending your rage incorrectly
lusty grotto
double slash
grand locust
so youre saying i should be revenging more?
lusty tiger
And ss a lot more yeah
grand locust
my only fear with revenging is triggering the GCD and being late on a shield slam/TP
TC**
dam youre saying im missing SS uptime too? oof haha
lusty tiger
I dont tc unless I know I’m about to be dry for rage
So more on st than medium cleave
mighty valley
your TC damage is really high as a percentage of your overall
lusty grotto
this one is not important
grand locust
so im TCing too much at the expense of SS
grand locust
this one is not important
gotcha
mighty valley
yeah and I'm guessing you're spending outburst on TC too much
lusty tiger
That will delete your rage gains
mighty valley
every GCD should be filled
SS prio, then either TC or Revenge depending on how much rage is coming in atm
mighty valley
and IP to avoid overcap like you said, you don't need to pay attention to IP's cap at all
lusty grotto
isnt that a bit nitpicky, i think Late said something about outburst TCs
mighty valley
oofa
lusty tiger
Oh bb
grand locust
omg
urban portal
grand locust
pls pretend i never posted these logs
urban portal
here you go
lusty grotto
maybe not this week cause its tyrannical but still
grand locust
🤦
urban portal
you can look at it yourself
mighty valley
it's not as hardline as "never outburst TC" but this ratio is rough
icy garden
Do you have an outburst tracker
urban portal
TC is a raw dps up on 6T
distant crystal
you're gonna have some outburst TCs but
lusty grotto
like why should you not outburst TCs on fort weeks
lusty tiger
pls pretend i never posted these logs
Spend some time in a dummy refining your rotation, you will notice your bad habits much more easily while playing
mighty valley
posting logs and getting feedback is good! the only thing to get embarrassed about is NOT trying to improve
distant crystal
less rage gen, less banner uptime
lusty grotto
i dont think i agree with the logic
distant crystal
less dmg unless high targets
lusty grotto
it depends on your rage intake
urban portal
TC outburst is a raw dps up on 6 targets
but if you drop banner/die due to lack of rage
lusty grotto
Late said 3+?
distant crystal
it depends on your rage intake
wut, how?
distant crystal
more rage better
mighty valley
in these logs banner uptime is not great, suggesting rage income is not enough, and one way to fix that is more outburst SS
drifting fable
i mean you wont never cast TC outburst
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet
urban portal
5-6 is where the damage gained overtakes the rage
drifting fable
youre gonna be dropping outburst on TC to prevent an avatar overlap
lusty tiger
The only things you press over ss are demo with bv and ravager iirc
urban portal
remember the extra rage translates into more revenges
mighty valley
once your banner is super comf, yes, it's often good to outburst TC on big packs
drifting fable
on occasion
clever heart
is the proc effect Mechagon shield really worse than other shields ?
The mechagon shield @ 304 is simming worse than 288 shield. am i just simming wrong somehow is is it trash lol.
Trying to decide between shield + 3 hit junk ring
distant crystal
spend more
lusty grotto
so you want 2s for 2 IPs
drifting fable
the important thing on the shield is armor
lusty grotto
no (on the 2s for 2 IPs if LS rage capping)
drifting fable
which is why you want the higher ilvl
mighty valley
is the proc effect Mechagon shield really worse than other shields ?
The mechago...
it's a lot worse offensive than an equal ilvl normal shield, and a bit worse defensively. but that's a bis ring tbh
pallid quiver
is the proc effect Mechagon shield really worse than other shields ?
The mechago...
It's the block value/armor that is the biggest gain. So you're infinitely more survivable, which isn't simmed.
urban portal
is the proc effect Mechagon shield really worse than other shields ?
The mechago...
you want recursion
shield is easily replacable
and the ring is bis
yeah
pallid quiver
I'd still say recursion because of the death farm tho
grand locust
shield is easily replacable
bruh i havent had a single shield drop all season 😭
lusty tiger
My shield does codex amount of hps tyvm
pallid quiver
at very worst you can dinar a shield and upgrade it
clever heart
it's a lot worse offensive than an equal ilvl normal shield, and a bit worse def...
ok ya makes sense ty ty
next apex
yo Is this neck garbo? like is the proc worth it?
clever heart
you want recursion
ok ty bruh warriors for help 🙂
drifting fable
its garbo
distant crystal
no (on the 2s for 2 IPs if LS rage capping)
got no idea what you're talking about here lol
pallid quiver
Yoooooo it scaled?
It's not like 63 damage
Hella buffs to that piece of shit
Still terrible
mighty valley
generally the neck damage is very very bad... I have seen some weird logs where the neck proc is doing like 10% of overall damage but I don't know what the hell is happening to get that
lusty grotto
got no idea what you're talking about here lol
80 rage, you can IP twice in 2s and Outburst SS'ing to safely not cap, vs you can IP once and TC outburst
urban portal
then you hold the outrage
lusty grotto
on fort weeks
urban portal
revenge ip revenge ip
pallid quiver
like, as long as you dont eat the out urst
still turtle
is fusion hacker worth the +3 upgrade? (current weap Sawtooth at 301) . Current tier legs at 298.
pallid quiver
you can just work on that second one
lusty grotto
i think that was implied
drifting fable
no the legs will be better
lusty grotto
thats why 2 Ips within 2s was mentioned
pallid quiver
i dont think it was implied
drifting fable
fusion hacker isnt that good over a 301
pallid quiver
Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it like this
lusty grotto
realistically revenge is the only spender you can use in between 2 IPs
drifting fable
and… sb..?
lusty grotto
well yeah
lusty grotto
its a fort week aoe pack
youre just gonna ignore an outburst tc
because of reasons
urban portal
the reason being that its a dps loss
drifting fable
its not ignoring, its feeding it towards a SS which turns into more revenges
but again there are situations where TC outburst is fine
urban portal
biggest example is on opener
naive hatch
how does IP work with other sources of shield? Do shields get mitigated at all or do they take damage before IP?
Specifically talking in the cases of Fleshcraft and RDM, if the source of the shield matters
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
urban portal
nome theorycrafts for the game
lusty grotto
im aware
lusty grotto
remember ive been in this disc for years
icy garden
Big bonk or big stomp
lusty grotto
i think the key thing we're mostly missing is
zealous willow
Whos gonna play fresh wotlk ?
lusty grotto
how long your banner has left
urban portal
im just gonna stick with 6
lusty grotto
or at least that we havent mentioned
urban portal
because thats when the raw damage matches
grand locust
double slash
sorry what did you mean by double slash?
lusty grotto
lets be fair, youre not pulling 3 targets only, except on very select pulls
urban portal
depends on the dung
lusty grotto
of course
urban portal
there are a lot of dungs where you pull 4-5 at a time
lusty grotto
sorry what did you mean by double slash?
bombardier
lusty grotto
its an attack from bombardiers
lusty grotto
80% uptime on those
lusty grotto
grand locust
80% uptime on those
yeah i just have trouble charging on at that stairwell so i cant keep 100% SB uptime
i can bascially only heroic leap charge
drifting fable
think those guys are stunnable so you can shockwave charge
lusty grotto
is it bombardiers the ones that punch the shit out of dps if you outrange their melee?
lusty grotto
yea
drifting fable
think that little dude in the corner is a laborer or smth not sure
lusty grotto
so intervening on those is risky on high keys
i mean
out of melee range
and leap charging
of course im talking fort hehe
but still id say 80% with intervenes is decent there
cause its a fucked up room anyway
fickle arrow
@chrome falcon keep making YouTube videos! Your stuff is great and simple to understand and learn from.
hasty quest
Guys guys any chance to recover some items for Dinars quest cause I have missed last week due to vacation ?
lusty grotto
is the third one 10?
urban portal
5
lusty grotto
yeah im on the 15 one
next week i get the 2nd dinar item basically
you guys got it last week or this one?
mighty valley
i'm at 11/15 without doing anything this week
drifting fable
this week
chrome falcon
we get 2nd 3rd dinars from this SOD clear
drifting fable
you get both
mighty valley
so should get all of them
drifting fable
mighty valley
so you'll get both next week
mighty valley
hoping I can get one of the other two sanctum trinkets this week
so I can feel good spending my 3rd dinar on gavel
lusty grotto
was the dinar quest not live on the first week of the season or something?
i swear i resubbed saturday after 3rd reset
lusty tiger
It was
drifting fable
no it was they gave it to you automatically
lusty tiger
U just need to enter a raid
oblique garnet
drifting fable
yeah so you probably only missed the 1st CN
lusty grotto
ok now it makes sense
drifting fable
Makes sense then
lusty tiger
Yep
distant crystal
this week you should get the third dinar if you clear it all i think
sick sentinel
i bought the store month with a free 6 month sub
minor helm
Correct
sick sentinel
uhh well, its a store purchase i made this month
the blue dragon flying thing or some shit
its a new mount, looks cool
zealous willow
Do u guys have feeling that ppl are not trusting warrs? I have hard time getinv ing for m23 and i think its cus im not dk
drifting fable
first time ive seen someone describe the 6 months as the “free” part loll
shut summit
Do u guys have feeling that ppl are not trusting warrs? I have hard time getinv ...
its not completely unfounded tbh
most prot warrs flop
urban portal
yeah a prot war got 5th place in tgp
mighty valley
community feeling used to be * > pwar, but now it seems closer to just bdk > *
sick sentinel
the joke is directly aimed at doom eternal which is "The 60$ sound track that comes with a free game"
drifting fable
ahh gotcha
mighty valley
but it's true that bad prot warriors are truly disastrous and give us all a bad name
zealous willow
today a dk tank main 2.6 rio started to instut me and teach me how to tank saying : Dk is most complex tank in the game and warrior is easier than dk and he said that i wont be able to play dk 😄
oblique garnet
its not completely unfounded tbh
Its gotten better this season tbh atleast in EU
toxic pewter
GOTTA BE HONEST BOYS im in love with rdm
sick sentinel
warrior is kill for me
i got a scars on mage
and 282
still cant dps out of paper bag but sure
toxic pewter
were you the mage i had just now in gd
zealous willow
Dk's have feeling that their class is most hard from tanks , cus they are best tanks atm , but its abt class balance not abt being hard
minor helm
Scars will be mostly useless for you on mage unless you jump into melee range
mighty valley
simply don't listen to assholes
zealous willow
Its fucking funny to have 4 min cd that saves u from death + istant lay of hands everywhere
like i havent played dk in s3
i remember being drunk af and doing streets 21 i was like idk what i press i just spamed death strike and all was ok lol
It;s sad cus i decided to pump my rio a bit this week , im almost 2500 super cusual 1 key or 2 max per 2 days
and they decline me on junkqrd 23
295 ilvl with biss trinkets
I;m sure if im dk i would get inv
urban portal
its just IO gap
if there are 2 equal people
its gonna be the dk
but then you have to consider that there may be people way ahead of you
lusty grotto
im not there yet but 20+ fort workshop are pug groups expecting us to solo the bombs too?
or is that only prot paladins that do it
zealous willow
u can try solo
the worst case u can say to ur grp to jump when ur out of cd's if they are still alive
its still big +
if u fail u will still dmg them to 20-30% xp
hp*
zealous willow
If u wish to do high keys u must learn some things and tricks
so start learning 😄
lofty widget
they wont expect it most likely
lusty grotto
that's not what i asked beastwithin lol
lofty widget
i had pugs in 25s fail to understand i was gonna solo
zealous willow
i just said its good for u to know how to do it
lofty widget
so prob wont happen in 20s
lusty grotto
ty chimmi
naive hatch
im not there yet but 20+ fort workshop are pug groups expecting us to solo the b...
i solo'd it on my 23 workshop so it's not terrible, just try not to use banner
if you have merileth
undone verge
lusty grotto
yeah not worried if its doable or not just wondering if pug groups require it or not
naive hatch
i have had pugs explicitly tell me they weren't going to let me try
so it's just down to the group
lmfao
lusty grotto
i see i see
naive hatch
also posting this question again because i'm curious: how does IP work with other sources of shield? Do shields get mitigated at all or do they take damage before IP? Specifically talking in the cases of Fleshcraft and RDM, if the source of the shield matters
lusty grotto
i think IP has a priority, if that hasnt changed
lusty tiger
I’m pretty sure you take damage to ip before flesh
lusty grotto
everything else should go after iirc
naive hatch
Is that what makes RDM giga for prot warr?
lusty grotto
im not particularly sure, maybe someone else can chime on that one
mighty valley
i don't know specifically but it sometimes feels like fleshcraft lasts for fucking ever, which makes me think IP is reducing the damage before it hits the shield
would make sense, IP isn't a shield, it's a DR
naive hatch
I'm between aegis and RDM for my dinar this week, my 226 aegis is still putting in massive work but i've never used RDM
lofty widget
why not both
zealous willow
RDM is rly cool
naive hatch
using other on OWS
mighty valley
Hold off until you clear sanctum
lofty widget
heroic rdm for me is 6-800 dps in 27s if that helps at all
mighty valley
what content are you doing mostly?
naive hatch
only tanking keys, highest i've reached is a 24 JY, most are sitting around 22s
naive hatch
I don't really care about my damage, the group I run with blows shit up and if we wipe it's almost always because I fucked up somewhere and died
So I care more about pure tankiness
mighty valley
rdm is consistent, aegis lets you do wilder pulls and/or is a panic button for those fuckups
lofty widget
rdm is a great defensive trinket as well
but you honestly cant go wrong with either, so you should pick whatever makes you feel safer imo
real fossil
traded a decanter i got on a heroic clear for RDM lets gooooo
sudden shell
o that is a decent chunk of crito
modern brook
Lightning McQueen over here with his 1000 flat crit
lusty grotto
fr
mighty valley
that probably means it had a tertiary stat on it?
tropic gorge
indestructable
mighty valley
yep
tropic gorge
i cant ever remember that happening before. a 3rd stat from the vault and upgrades when looting. grant it, it went from lfr to FATED LFR!
but hey, i'll take it. beats my s2 item it replaced lol
mighty valley
vault items have had a chance for tertiaries since the beginning
strong forum
you just didnt notice that it had indestructible when you chose it
it doesnt get the tertiary when you loot it, it just does the animation
minor helm
Every item you get from raids says fated on it if it dropped during a fated raid
And if it comes from vault it’ll always be from a fated raid
valid finch
do i take highest ilvl item in vault? I could choose a 285 cloak from a 265 equipped cloak or a 278 chest from a 259 equipped. or a 265 sword from a 242 sword. the cloak & chest are M+ and could be upgraded
south zealot
where is your unity
do you plan on moving it to back
if no, take cloak. if yes take chest
valid finch
neck is unity & reprisal is boots
valid finch
ok thanks
frozen cedar
A little late to the m+ grind with my warrior. I'm enjoying the hell out of prot atm. Is the salvaged mekacycle decent? The rebooting bit band has a socket which is super enticing but the heal aspect of it seems kinda meh. Thoughts for my vault grab?
lusty grotto
is it higher ilvl than your current shield?
sturdy sable
It equal ilvls other Shields beat it but your not gonna be getting a 304 shield very easily unelss your raiding (and even then)
lusty grotto
if so, then shield
frozen cedar
okay, good call. The ring just seemed likea lot of fun but I can always press one up to 298 with valor. Thanks for the advice. That should have been a pretty easy decision!
sturdy sable
Youd think but alot of people get hung up on specifically that shield
frozen cedar
I just know mastery is kind of a dead stat but it's the armor and other stats I should be concerned about.
sturdy sable
Im using a 298 one and i hate it
frozen cedar
haha
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say mastery is a "dead stat'
sturdy sable
I mean
lusty grotto
incorrect
sturdy sable
Id rather have literally any other stat on it than mastery
Big boys stack crit haste
sturdy sable
Crits masterys cooler older brother
I only speak about stats in terms of dps @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
and since banner gives 400 mastery, it takes a lower prio
vers not as important as the other 3
frozen cedar
we don't want vers for dmg reduc? I thought some is def warranted unless you're just doing completion/weekly keys
pallid quiver
mastery does give DPS, it just gives a bit less due to banner already dumping so much in
pallid quiver
we don't want vers for dmg reduc? I thought some is def warranted unless you're...
almost all your survivability comes from gameplay
lusty grotto
we don't want vers for dmg reduc? I thought some is def warranted unless you're...
theres some info in the pins
pallid quiver
the other section comes from a shield
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
That's for the affix choice
It's not that Verse is bad at all, it's just...
not necessary
sharp zenith
am i missin the pin for prot warr stat prio?
sturdy sable
Yeah stats specifically for dps are a character by character basis and you should be simming for that
pallid quiver
am i missin the pin for prot warr stat prio?
ilvl
sharp zenith
well
lusty grotto
its the 2nd pin
pallid quiver
Haste generally
lusty grotto
icy veins guide
sturdy sable
Its ilvl >>>>>> haste/vers
pallid quiver
Like, haste is very hard to not be good
sharp zenith
haste it is.
pallid quiver
i'd wager you could gem anything not mastery, even, and still get gains, but haste is just so nice to have and is the best overall
sharp zenith
yep all i was curious about for gems/enchants
mighty valley
i'm finally replacing some enchants since i'm over 40% haste unbuffed
haste might still be best overall but it's simming a lot worse for damage
lusty grotto
yep all i was curious about for gems/enchants
edgy grail
Damage = survivability
pallid quiver
haste might still be best overall but it's simming a lot worse for damage
iirc The second DR soft cap is at 40% for us, so it kicks in real good then
so that's why it'd be simming so low
slim zinc
39% on tooltip, which is technically 40% from rating
uneven wagon
guys i just played fury for the first time those guys really do only have 3 buttons huh 
awesome spec tbh
lusty tiger
pls help brethren
neck has a socket
both replacing m+ gear, so 298
also 304 legs... and boots
basically do i go crit/haste neck w socker vs. 304 chest vs. 304 leg
does it even matter
toxic pewter
i personally enjoy more str so I would prob go for chest or legs yeah
lusty grotto
at some point you'll sacrifice to get sockets so
err sacrifice the vault
i'd imagine
drifting juniper
Guys rio is a bait for meta classes
a 2860 Dest warlock was doing 9k on bosses
how
lusty tiger
a 2860 Dest warlock was doing 9k on bosses
im jk this is obviously cringe
drifting juniper
on last boss of streets we commited to killing the boss by getting the dot and boss survived with 14k hp whilst our warlock finished by 11k, rouge 19, mge 23
me 14k
lusty tiger
i have to reconsider my own existence doing under 9k on anything
drifting juniper
the stress i went trough in that key, i'm still sweating, i used stamina trinket i am very ashamed to admit
lusty tiger
link log
drifting juniper
i don't log and key didnt finish,
drifting juniper
its because i can't really upload it from my country and vpns are weird with warcraftlogs from ehre
2 times i logged and asked people to upload it for me here
lusty tiger
Oo
mortal brook
Ravacado
outer scroll
i'm noob and need to know why Banner > nf or Kyrian
pallid quiver
big metric fuck ton of strength
can keep forever
also free rage gen out of your bumhole as long as it's up
outer scroll
strength is good and rage too
it doesn't feel good when i use it
but still low gear + only 2set so can't say
pallid quiver
4 set makes it a bit smoother by allowing avatar to instantly give you an outburst, but uh, do you have unity?
since that's the really important part
outer scroll
yeh unity is +
pallid quiver
yeah, you're able to just keep Banner up 100% of all combat time with Unity, so it's not a button you really actively use
it's just rewarding you for playing the class right on a basic level
so it's not gonna directly feel as good as chucking another ability out
but it makes you tons tankier, do more damage, and never feel rage starved
outer scroll
alright i will keep using it, hopefully i get used to it fast
also don't have high haste yett so the uptime isn't close too 100%
pallid quiver
Don't need a lick of haste to keep 100% uptime
lusty grotto
haste makes a big difference
pallid quiver
the 4p matters a lot more for making it smooth
lusty grotto
but luerce is correct you dont need it
it just becomes a bit easier with high haste
outer scroll
hopefully get 4set tomorrow
pallid quiver
i had like, 14% haste for the longest time due to look luck and could still keep it
4 set will make it a lot easier as long as you don't accidentally overlap outbursts
outer scroll
yeh i see
so get 4 set
haste is nice but not needed
but still kinda needed xD
and then just keep doing the rotation and git gud
limpid pawn
so it gives you the best combo of survival + dps
outer scroll
yeh
limpid pawn
and basically rewards high skilled play a bit more than the other covenants
lusty grotto
for uptime it is not needed, but haste is needed overall for effective play (both offensively and defensively)
i think that's the correct way to say it
outer scroll
alright thanks for the help
mighty valley
"needed" is a strong word too, haste is powerful and feels good
but some people have gone real real deep on, like, all crit
lusty grotto
i suppose that's a fair point
vestal moat
For the toughest of fortified keys where survivability is an issue does it make sense to go both RDM and Shard and give up OWS? Hard to give up the stats but i m sort of leaning that way.
chrome falcon
ows>rdm in that situation imo
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
what single best item to buy with dinar if i already have ows, aegis, rdm, 304 weapon, 304 shield
lusty grotto
gavel 
lusty grotto
i honestly dont know lmao but thats what i would go for
toxic pewter
Yah I mean it makes the most sense
its just such a good item
they should let prot warriors use 2h
south zealot
I guess it really is gavel
theres literally nothing else u CAN buy
thats like even reasonable
mighty valley
i mean i'd gavel for offspec but the other option would be a last 2 boss shield if you can mythic upgrade it
toxic pewter
Yeah I mean it really is just gavel
south zealot
you can get scars for off spec
oblique garnet
what single best item to buy with dinar if i already have ows, aegis, rdm, 304 w...
Do you raid mythic?
Decanter might also be pretty good
toxic pewter
No, dont have a guild really some random pugs here and there, but nothing substantial
oblique garnet
Just for dam
toxic pewter
Ok I will look into that
oblique garnet
Unless you wanna get gavel for os
toxic pewter
Decanter seems like a nice trinket, yah I was considering a dps trinket for damage even as prot
toxic pewter
Lol
chrome falcon
late do you pull those bleed guys in grimrail together
or one at a time
after like 25+
toxic pewter
those guys hurt a lot
chrome falcon
i got absolutely piped by them when i doubled pull on 25
wasn't even close to living
sick sentinel
they should let prot warriors use 2h
would make sense tbf
how can fury dual wield 2h and prot cant even 2h/shield
cmon blizz cater to the casuals who care
about fantasy :/
nah but fr 1h/shield kinda doesnt make sense for prot
lusty grotto
dual wield shields when
oblique garnet
late do you pull those bleed guys in grimrail together
One at the time
pallid quiver
was it matta who said "Who even wants 2H and shield"? whoever it was
oblique garnet
Odds of parrying with 2 are too low
pallid quiver
you've brought them to bear as of late
free me from this curse
oblique garnet
@chrome falcon ifs just such an unnecessary risk to do 2
lusty grotto
:smadge: dual wield shield when
oblique garnet
2H shield
mortal brook
who is bringing bears?
oblique garnet
who is bringing bears?
Nobody log off
oblique garnet
Bears are little pets that show up on big pulls every 3 minute and are sniffing glue for the rest
oblique garnet
Am i wrong @mortal brook
grand locust
consuming Reprisal! doesn't count as using 20 rage right? for banner purposes
lusty grotto
no
since its free
well, only free ability that counts are revenge procs and specifically for seeing red generation
(not for banner extension)
toxic pewter
would you guys use a 291 aegis with +61 leech, or a 291 rdm
apparently im losing a lot of hps from the leech
toxic pewter
yeah but you get that debuff
lusty grotto
very last tick makes it so you dont get debuffed
old flame
can i have a little vault advice?
drifting juniper
but before casting you get debuff but no damage?
lusty grotto
no
pallid quiver
would you guys use a 291 aegis with +61 leech, or a 291 rdm
Unless I need invulnerability for whatever reason, RDM because of damage
south zealot
would you guys use a 291 aegis with +61 leech, or a 291 rdm
really depends
rdm damage
toxic pewter
the damn leech is so annoying to lose
south zealot
aegis if youre even remotely questioning your survivability
drifting juniper
So nimchip do you know what i mean?
pallid quiver
They're literally trinkets for different scenarios
south zealot
the leech and basically being immune is crazy valuable
lusty grotto
you dont negate damage, you just dont get clapped
south zealot
only if you actually need it
lusty grotto
by the next cast
drifting juniper
i mean it stops the cast
lusty grotto
it doesnt
reflecting last tick makes it so you dont get that 20% extra damage debuff
you will still take base damage
drifting juniper
yes but i'm not talking about reflecting the last tick or using reflect on missle
i mean if you use reflect, you interupt a bolt and missle happens it completly goes woosh
lusty grotto
not sure people usually save SR for missiles
drifting juniper
but it is still saving for missles
cuz in 5 seconds they interupt both other bolts
and you evade missles
with that
wooden sun
its rng tho, you could kick and then it just casts not missiles
lusty grotto
yeah
drifting juniper
if you use reflect at last second of any bolt
south zealot
bro those missiles make everyone squishy as fuck
drifting juniper
you will get that thing that i said
south zealot
its basically a "can you self heal a fuck ton or pop defensives to live" ability
drifting juniper
2 reflects happen in 5 second
wooden sun
ive 100% kicked frostbite into another frostbite, you arent guaranteed to get piercing after one of the others
i get what he means
drifting juniper
2 interupts, sry
wooden sun
he means if you pre-sr and medivh happens to cast piercing then the entire cast is negated
ive never did that so idk if true
lusty grotto
it doesnt work that way
south zealot
yes it does
drifting juniper
i am saying it happened to me i didnt read it anywhere
lusty grotto
i mean youre just rolling the dice
drifting juniper
so hence me here asking
tight hedge
is this even useful? given we have to move to collect the dancers?
drifting juniper
nimchip, mate here me on this
south zealot
or its gonna die soon
drifting juniper
if you reflect at last second of any cast, in 5 seconds a missle is 90% happening
wooden sun
i see missiles as a nice time to get kicks back on the gang tbh
lusty grotto
nah im def not even trying that
south zealot
i see missiles as a nice time to get kicks back on the gang tbh
this is true
unless you have no defensives up
lusty grotto
not worth
wooden sun
i can SR last tick so i dont get owned by a follow up and it gives 5s of kick cd back
lusty grotto
yeah
wooden sun
but i get what you mean at least
shut summit
the boss just does that weird shit with missiles, has to do with interrupts
it happens on nonwarr tanks so it has nothing to do with reflect
drifting juniper
yeah every single one of us does that with medivh but this is another mechanic
that it can be used everytime
shut summit
beast
shut summit
its not great
south zealot
id be more fine with it if i were dwarf
shy yoke
I haven't poked around here much since the start of the season, I always picked Versa on the Shrouded buff since I have the mistake of overvaluing it above other stats, today I learned Haste is better lol
wooden sun
if i only raid normal in pugs and do M+ which 2 trinkets would be best to use?
south zealot
old warrior soul and reactive defense matrix
wooden sun
even with them being potato ilvl?
tender cove
At what ilvl should I be expected to have 100% uptime on banner?
south zealot
even with them being potato ilvl?
depends how potato is potato
wooden sun
normal
south zealot
normal this season?
lusty grotto
285
wooden sun
ait
south zealot
At what ilvl should I be expected to have 100% uptime on banner?
really depends
you should be able to get very high even without great ilvl
just try to stack as much haste as possible
wooden sun
would anything other than those 2 be worth buying with dinars or can i safely buy a gavel to play dps as well?
chrome falcon
At what ilvl should I be expected to have 100% uptime on banner?
we were doing it at low ilvl last season
tender cove
I havent timed it exactly but I struggle to get past 30 seconds and I'm 248 atm
So its just a l2p issue?
south zealot
you just have to spend rage
chrome falcon
if you can't get it past 30 seconds yeah
i was getting it to 45 seconds day 1 in 9.1
tender cove
Im struggling to get rage to spend
chrome falcon
press more shield slams
south zealot
what are your talents
chrome falcon
use reprisal
tender cove
The ones suggested on wowhead, i'm not logged in atm
And i do use reprisal, not perfectly ofc but I try to leap/vene out and in again.
chrome falcon
check the video in the pins
chrome falcon
And i do use reprisal, not perfectly ofc but I try to leap/vene out and in again...
minor point but you you don't need to leap out to charge back in
chrome falcon
and using intervene immediately into charge is actively bad
you waste a revenge proc
and probably overcap rage
chances are that you're not revenging enough
so you're not getting enough SS procs
and when you do get SS procs you don't use them
sand iris
How good/bad is Gluttonous spike for prot?
tender cove
Could be it mattacate, that was a lot to take in and think back on. Probably have to record myself and look to see exactly
south zealot
How good/bad is Gluttonous spike for prot?
mediocre
wouldnt use it over rdm or ows or aegis
but its not terrible
chrome falcon
much much worse than the 9.1 trinkets that you should ahve access to by now
it's not horrific
sand iris
I'm running a 298 ows and a 285 so'leahs rn
Was wondering if it was worth swapping but im thinking no
chrome falcon
at high ilvl glutt would beat soleahs
tender cove
no. I dont.
chrome falcon
just because mainstat
you should be running the talents in that image, except ravager if you're doing m+
tender cove
bounding instead of cracklnig and bolstering instead of anger.
chrome falcon
bolster is garbage
mighty valley
bolstering is a big part of your problem
tender cove
Maybe just changed something after, not sure tbh. I copied soulbinds, talents, leggos etc straight from wowhead.
mighty valley
bounding over crackling is fine, wouldn't worry about that
but yeah, switch to AM, see how much of a difference it makes
tender cove
check the video in the pins
Ill do that now, thanks 🙂
may i ask why bolstering is so bad?
mighty valley
it only really gives you block uptime when reprisal gives you all you need
and we get enormous value out of avatar with our tier set right now
chrome falcon
avatar is good LS is bad
mighty valley
spending rage gets you back to avatar faster, which gives you a huge infusion of rage by itself
chrome falcon
that's the short version
tender cove
thought you wanted LS for the rage gen conduit?
mighty valley
well, yeah
mighty valley
but think of it as an offensive CD
mighty valley
that you use when you're building banner
sand pebble
avatar more dam more rage less dam taken - how can that compete with ls
tender cove
I had overlooked the tier set tbh. Just got this alt up last reset 🙂
mighty valley
fair fair
sand pebble
tier is huge for prot
mighty valley
with the tier set + banner, all you wanna do is build rage and spend rage
in matta's video, pay attention to how many buttons are getting slapped
it's a lot
tender cove
Yeh, thats what I heard everyone say, prepare for hurting wrists xD
mighty valley
just make sure your keybinds are comfy, you'll be pressing revenge + IP a lot
sand pebble
just dont mash the wrong button incase you get a shield slam reset and press something else
old flame
Speaking of hurting wrists, can I get some advice on this vault? having a hard time deciding
sand pebble
like outburst tc for example - get in the habit of putting it on cd at 6=7 stacks
tender cove
like outburst tc for example - get in the habit of putting it on cd at 6=7 stack...
is there some good wa to track that?
sand pebble
yes
chrome falcon
pins
south zealot
yeah theres 2 versions in the pins
old flame
obviously skipping the sheet music
sand pebble
ooo a bar one, kind of used to icon/number so ill stick to that
south zealot
ooo a bar one, kind of used to icon/number so ill stick to that
yeah i use icon and number
cinder nova
RDM babbeeee
sand pebble
im an arms main that tanks m+ upto 15's (slowly pushing to 20's) for guildies mainly and i backup raid tank - should i buy an ows with my dinar or a RDM - i use stun grenade/stone legion/decanter trinkets currently
south zealot
ows
sand pebble
even with picking haste power in m+?
pallid quiver
we eat the shit out of haste
south zealot
even with picking haste power in m+?
yes
pallid quiver
The haste bonus also doesn't suffer diminishing returns since it's raw %, too, iirc, so no worries for that
south zealot
i have 40.55% haste and id still use ows over rdm
pallid quiver
(That's also why ITF is very good in raid when you can assure all 5 stacks are up 100% of the time, btw)
sand pebble
i backup raid tank - havent had to since sod
grand locust
speaking of trinkets, assuming basically useless abilities, str>>> vers right? comparing https://www.wowhead.com/item=168965/modular-platinum-plating?bonus=4777 @ ilevel 288 https://www.wowhead.com/item=142161/inescapable-dread?bonus=1826:1472 @ ilevl 304
sand pebble
the on use on modular is so bad its basically only a str trinket
grand locust
yeah hahaha
south zealot
theyre both kind of dogshit honestly
grand locust
my only thinking otherwise was inescapable dread
the decreased damage isnt THAAAAAT horrible (ie njot as bad as modular)
like on a boss fight that can be somewhat helpful
south zealot
id just spam +2 gambits for soleahs
or do SOD on all difficulties u can for those trinkets
grand locust
i just got a soleah!
thats why im bumping one of those
those were my 2 trinkets before
south zealot
ohh
grand locust
trying to figure out which to bump
south zealot
do u have dinar
sand pebble
well bumb modular into the vendor
grand locust
sounds good thank you
sand pebble
good call on the ows btw, now that i look at it much much better
queen hemlock
iron docks second boss
the three ligmas
the slash and flame waves are they targeted at the tank or random
random right?
sick sentinel
for kyrian first sigil is summon owl or drink potion, assuming set potion to 3
dawn canyon
Drink
queen hemlock
ah cool
sick sentinel
interesting, kliea as well?
queen hemlock
so the healer ate the wave like a real twat
pallid quiver
it happens to someone at least once per fight in my experience
someone always eats a wave. or five.
sick sentinel
like, you could double up on kleia if you wanted, not that this my intention or its a good idea
toxic pewter
trade indesuctrable for a socket... I knew this day would come..
sick sentinel
indestructible is never repair bill
queen hemlock
the group fucked up the iron stars so badly i had to pull 3 seperate packs each with the behemoths
pallid quiver
the group leave is optional, dying to lava waves is not
queen hemlock
i cri
sick sentinel
how do you even die to lava waves
i mean, i play a mage now so i see them from 40 yards
so, i can just walk around it
queen hemlock
i woke up feeling horrible thought play some m+ to past time now have 3 abandoned under my belt due to players dying to bosses
no clue
pallid quiver
rune of power is very tempting
queen hemlock
was a healer shaman
pallid quiver
.... rune of power is very tempting
listen i've come to terms with the fact that nobody ever wants to move unless it's specifically to jimmy like two inches and stifle their DPS
queen hemlock
what if they link you details omitting things after their deaths stating see top dps
the slash em if he starts casting can i still move him or no such thing
delicate kraken
the group fucked up the iron stars so badly i had to pull 3 seperate packs each ...
lmaoo
pallid quiver
He locks in place for the slash, iirc
sand pebble
he plants for slash - you can move out of it
queen hemlock
upper kara is a coinflip too
sick sentinel
.... rune of power is _very_ tempting
rune of power sucks kinda, if you do one, from CD or not, and then it gets covered in RNG fire circle
you lost all your dps
is the problem that it gives 40% dmg, and its on demand, and the only other options it goes up against is not as tempting, especially the one that gives more crit to another player
naive panther
drape of shame do anything for prot war?
i mean we have absorbs
about nothing for heals
toxic pewter
what the best item to buy with dinar for transmog
sick sentinel
it also has a cast timer
sand pebble
drape of shame do anything for prot war?
no because none of our heals crit
sick sentinel
so you lose dps if you try to hit a CD (not ignite/AP/IV) into rune of power
you lose 2 GCD's
sand pebble
the slash em if he starts casting can i still move him or no such thing
the best way i havew found for dealing with slash positioning is after he comes back, step through the other mobs and back again so he walks to the other side of you then the slash will always go away from the other mobs and any good dps should already be behind him
sick sentinel
ahh, upper, i got something else on the brain
valid finch
I'm really digging prot, but not a fan of necro, switching back to Kyrian i think seems better for a simpleton like me til i get better acquainted with prot 😄
chrome falcon
playing a worse covenant isn't going to make you do any better 😛
sand pebble
i cant seem to step away from nf tbh
valid finch
i know Necro is best but Kyrian has training wheels lol
chrome falcon
?
does it?
you might only have 50% uptime on banner if you're bad
but if you play kyrian
you have 0% uptime
sand pebble
haha good way to look at it
ive noticed pwar has shifted away from damage done/highest key pushed/healing done etc etc to banner uptime
delicate kraken
i know Necro is best but Kyrian has training wheels lol
Play at your own paste until your comfortable enough since you already know
sand pebble
thats the only thing that matter is banner uptime minigame
chrome falcon
Play at your own paste until your comfortable enough since you already know
I really disagree with this
You're not going to know how bad you are at warrior until you try to keep up banner
Keeping up banner just requires you to spend rage
onyx briar
I've been working on my banner uptime but still struggle
south zealot
dude
chrome falcon
And that's your main metric for doing well on this class
If you suck at banner uptime
south zealot
kujo just went inside the fucking box
chrome falcon
You know you suck at the class
south zealot
and we couldnt los
chrome falcon
And what you need to work on
chrome falcon
i'm about to pay nitro real money for access to Chatting
trim bay
i find i cast revenge alot when i shouldnt. like if its 1-2 adds and everything is on CD i was it on revenge rahter then IP dump for out burst
chrome falcon
no but other servers do
chrome falcon
i find i cast revenge alot when i shouldnt. like if its 1-2 adds and everything ...
?
this is literally the correct play
lol
south zealot
u cant use other server stuff in here
chrome falcon
you ONLY use IP
to dump rage
otherwise you should spam revenge
spamming revenge is good
trim bay
even on ST??
chrome falcon
south zealot
i use ignore pain way more than i think i should
chrome falcon
ofc
trim bay
well