protection

[coral marsh]

soloq is in all pvp games

[dawn canyon]

wait till u find out m+ and raid arent soloQ either

[coral marsh]

except wow

[drifting fable]

a novels worth of discussion about pvp from a dude who doesnt bother with pvp

[coral marsh]

it doesnt change anything

[dawn canyon]

go back to lfr so u can soloQ raids

[coral marsh]

get high ranked in a soloq game, then you can talk about soloq

3v3 is your thing

and you can keep it

im not interested

xd

[dawn canyon]

goodbye

[cobalt seal]

then

goodbye

Hope you have fun in league

solo queueing

[coral marsh]

its just sad how you dont want it to happen although you dont even want to play it

[cobalt seal]

Because that's not gonna happen in mythic raiding

[dawn canyon]

it does make sense they dont like the social aspect of wow if this is how they act

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[cobalt seal]

or in pvp wow (with rewards)

[coral marsh]

ye and a year ago they said soloq would never happen

ion said flying was dead in wod

they said a whole bunch of stuff that changed

it is and it doesnt even matter

i know ion is very nostalgic

[pallid quiver]

damn, DMC5 is an MMO

[coral marsh]

but he changed his ways multiple times

flying

soloq

list goes on and on

[pallid quiver]

It has a massive amount of players online capable of playing multiplayer

[dawn canyon]

go talk to ion then

and stop wafflin in prot chat

[coral marsh]

and you cant talk about soloq if you never seriously played a soloq game

[mighty valley]

why is anyone talking about any of this

[coral marsh]

its changing

you have to adapt

[pallid quiver]

I'm just poking it with shitposts at this point; I'm just curious when we're going to implement a process for voting people off the island

[cobalt seal]

changing

[dawn canyon]

i know 2 people who are in danger then

[cobalt seal]

:omegaLUL:

if you think

wow is trending to be a solo game

[dawn canyon]

proper OMEGALUL is all caps weirdo

[cobalt seal]

forget it

M+ is 5 people

[dawn canyon]

lfr ruined the game

smh

[cobalt seal]

Raid is 10+

[coral marsh]

I never said they should remove 3v3 or nerf its rewards, all I'm saying is giving soloq equal rewards.

Stop being like I want to ruin your 3v3.

[cobalt seal]

and those 2 things is what drives the money

[coral marsh]

Just hypothetical.

[frigid plume]

why would solo queue get equal rewards when it is an easier gamemode

[coral marsh]

If soloq is a big success.

And no one wants to bother with 3v3 anymore.

Then that was meant to be.

[dawn canyon]

you say this

[dawn canyon]

but also this

?

[cobalt seal]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[coral marsh]

So that's really it.

[cobalt seal]

I got you

[coral marsh]

You think soloq with full rewards would kill 3v3.

Well then 3v3 is just bad.

[dawn canyon]

always has been

thats the point of pvp

misery.

[cobalt seal]

same way 10v10

is

[dawn canyon]

twink bracket elite enchant enjoyers

[coral marsh]

Just one question.

[cobalt seal]

No

[coral marsh]

If you truly believe soloq would kill 3v3, why do you think 3v3 should be saved when people dislike it?

[cobalt seal]

what

you are watching too much asmon

your brain is completely melted

[coral marsh]

asmon is also decent in pvp

[dawn canyon]

debatable

[cobalt seal]

[coral marsh]

but he still was carried to some extent

[delicate kraken]

Watching asmongold

[dawn canyon]

even asmon himself forgot how good he is at the game

[coral marsh]

It was just an example why soloq is more competitive than 3v3 because it lacks boosting, wintrading and stuff.

[pallid quiver]

go play a fighting game

[dawn canyon]

people wintrade at demonic times

[pallid quiver]

i'll listen to this drivel over there since i expect it there

[chrome falcon]

the playerbase at high elo in this game is so small that win trading would not be hard

[dawn canyon]

they find a way

[dawn canyon]

wanna talk abt codex instead?

we also did this in hs to dodge bad matchups

soloq is epic

[cobalt seal]

Hi

[dawn canyon]

hello

[cobalt seal]

Since the TGP has like 99% codex users

is Codex a good trinket for pwar?

[dawn canyon]

outed as league player now please leave this channel forever, thanks

@sick sentinel do you think they let yumy watchparty tgp finals?

idk what theyre on man

not like yumy watching spoils tech

yep

did the cum council do anything ever again?

that sounded like drama but kinda died

i feel like they voted for train

i wanted everybloom

[edgy grail]

how do I decicde between booming voice and bsc?

always booming for banner?

[chrome falcon]

just go BV

[dawn canyon]

BV = easier banner BSC = more overall dam

[chrome falcon]

better ST

better banner

[dawn canyon]

reminder to self to finish ba'al tmr

gn nerds

[edgy grail]

cool tyvm

[chrome falcon]

plus BV more fun

demo is so shit and clunky otherwise

[mighty valley]

please bake in BV and give it a cooler name

demoralizing shout just sounds like your enemies go

"aww man"

[ocean yoke]

make the homies feel good instead

[woeful sphinx]

With the new Press and hold Dragonflight feature what ability should we do this with? I'm thinking Shield Slam

[chrome falcon]

probably nothing

but it might end up being good for SS

sense with the huge 30 timed

[coral marsh]

How do you play beautiful beast phase 3?

Never played it and just got oneshot.

[chrome falcon]

use CDs on dent armour

keep block up

[limpid pawn]

do you guys sim 5 boss patchwerk always

or what

[shut summit]

[dawn canyon]

prot log in #449510248579858432

[mortal brook]

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet @mortal brook @shut summit @ionic fern @potent anvil hi ily all

[potent anvil]

[mortal brook]

[warm plinth]

[shut summit]

[onyx vessel]

30 timed for prot war

[warm plinth]

pog

Sense makes M+ his bitch

[vernal vale]

@shut summit continuing to show us all that we are just mediocre lol

[onyx vessel]

He can make me his bitch too

[warm plinth]

He can, but he won't because he's just a nice guy

He is humble in his magnificence

[ionic fern]

Man, i used to feel special.But now you just add more names every day.

But it's fine -

[onyx vessel]

No nomeratur tho

5 tank gamer

[warm plinth]

I usually ping one at a time but I decided to do a one post fits all today

[onyx vessel]

Late is sleepin probably

[ionic fern]

Je, Late's on NA schedule.

It's probably....late for him.

https://tenor.com/view/horatio-caine-yeah-csi-miami-sunglasses-meme-gif-4566497

[onyx vessel]

Hes eu tho

[shut summit]

[onyx vessel]

[shrewd cedar]

anodized deflectors worth or lame gimmick?

[drifting fable]

worth a nice trip to the catalyst

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

Yes. But he is on NA time.

#Healthy

[onyx vessel]

Cuz he wants to talk to mwahi all night

[ionic fern]

But i go to bed on normal times.

[onyx vessel]

[ionic fern]

And i'm also EU. So he should talk to me during EU days.

[brittle owl]

NA has an imaginary time zone

[onyx vessel]

I work up at 3pm to work at 10pm

[onyx vessel]

Waking up at 6am to chat

[brittle owl]

but it's 8

[dusky sentinel]

Its 7.34 tho

[ionic fern]

It's 8:34 tho.

[brittle owl]

^

[dusky sentinel]

Ur in the wrong timezone @ionic fern

Dang..

[brittle owl]

you mean the correct timezone

[ionic fern]

Me having the power to delete your messages says that you are in the wrong timezone.

[drifting fable]

[ionic fern]

📈

[brittle owl]

too bad you're too chicken to do that

[ionic fern]

I'm polite.

😂

[brittle owl]

you misspelled POLice

🚓

[dusky sentinel]

Yoooo! Power abuse!

[ionic fern]

I DIDDN'T DO ANYTHING.

[drifting fable]

tell it to the judge

[brittle owl]

DIDN'T THINK SO EITHER

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-i-didnt-think-so-thats-what-i-thought-i-told-you-i-knew-it-walk-away-gif-14382541

[drifting fable]

just delete your own message and say he did it

[brittle owl]

😮

ihrving here with the ancap agenda

the weebs are evolving

[dusky sentinel]

Anyways. Help me out here. The gate skip in WS in the end. Is it 100% managable or is it worthless? Somebody seem to pull every time (not even pets)

[ionic fern]

Haven't had issues with it.

[brittle owl]

you would want to avoid skips entirely in low and middling keys

since there is a high chance there is someone in the group that doesn't know the tech properly

[ionic fern]

My high key = your low key.
So i do invis skips on 10's.

[prime kestrel]

Hey, question, how are you managing shade od medivh arcane missles in +20s ? Usually I was trying to either spell reflect or just interrupt it, but friend of mine told, they had a warrior that took literally no dmg from it, is there some magic trick around it ? Or just rotate cds for each missle ?

[ionic fern]

SR the last tick.

YW.

[prime kestrel]

No need to interrupt ?

[delicate kraken]

Nah

[brittle owl]

last tick applies the debuff

[delicate kraken]

It's prevents you from getting the debuff

[prime kestrel]

Ok, thx

[delicate kraken]

Think it's like 20% stacking each time

[prime kestrel]

And if I sr mid missle its gonna apply debuff yeah ? It has to be last tick ?

[delicate kraken]

Yes, he still channels and applies the debuff at the end of the cast

[prime kestrel]

K, thx

[warm plinth]

Most common mistakes doing that skip:

People take the gate from the middle/right instead of the left side (need to be standing on the leftmost side of the gate)
People move to the right after arriving at the other end
Warlock doesn't put it as far over as they should

[icy garden]

hey i still feel useless <3

rofl

got helmet myself and shaman got a shield he didnt need

[vagrant thunder]

What spot do I put Reprisal on?

[icy garden]

boot

how important is outburst for banner uptime?>

[warm plinth]

Pretty important, since you get a ton of rage from outburst

[icy garden]

well this time i was at least manage to keep it up for the entire cooldown

[oblique garnet]

[icy garden]

almost got to a 2nd last stand

[ionic fern]

I knew it.

[oblique garnet]

I did just now wake up but its too early

[icy garden]

all of my key friends abandoned me

[undone verge]

90% seems a bit high

especially since the priest did 300 dps overall

[icy garden]

what the heck

[undone verge]

what

[icy garden]

was your healer just not there

[undone verge]

something like that

[timber dagger]

have 8% leech and got 1.1m healing done only by leech O_O

[icy garden]

why me

[sharp zenith]

what was it?

[icy garden]

chest

[sharp zenith]

sadge

[icy garden]

very

hes a dwarf

no tmog is good for him anyways

the other dk gave it to me!

[onyx vessel]

Leech op right @ionic fern

[mortal brook]

Not so fast

[onyx vessel]

Nercolord set

[mortal brook]

[icy garden]

got 2 set

[onyx vessel]

Huge

4 peice ever more

[sharp zenith]

Whats behide you...

What the hell is that?!

[mortal brook]

SUNFLOWER ♡

[sharp zenith]

he's suppose to be small

and cute!

[mortal brook]

Pet biscuit

[undone verge]

I hear that in my nightmares

[prisma dove]

depends on the portal placement, https://youtu.be/TTO2qXkhrCM
as a warlock I always follow this placement, and I haven't pulled once.
Warlock pets are pulled through the gate too, so I do not worry about those too (well, the major ones, imps are still better be imploded in the end of previous pack)

[onyx vessel]

Use to be able to leap over

It pulls pack sadly

[uneven wagon]

is it just me or is 90% of raiding just waiting for other people to get the mechanics right

like if you're not the one fucking it up you're just waiting for others not to

[jagged pier]

yes

[uneven wagon]

I think the big boy gamer goal is to find a guild in which you're the worst player so you can learn good

[jagged pier]

your teams only as good as your weakest link

[mortal brook]

gratz mr tank you figured out how to taunt on 1 stack every 40s. kindly be patient while everyone else actually does the rest of the fight

[uncut dome]

Question, what is your thought on the biggest dps loss in keys?

[mortal brook]

encounter execution and pacing

[sharp zenith]

execute go skrtskrt tho ):

[icy garden]

Dying

[jagged pier]

not playing correctly

[icy garden]

Which usually leads to dying

got a 5 done on my 250 warrior, im happy for tonight

until i get a cloak out of the vault tomorrow

[onyx vessel]

Shit dps

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[ionic fern]

That's the dumbest comment i've seen.

"Hurrdurr beat tank in healing meters".

What.

[jagged pier]

why do u need to beat tank on healing if u dont need to heal them?

🤔

[onyx vessel]

5head strat

Dont hit ignore pain

So the monk is happy

I normally get outhealed by healer

Cuz i run with dumbasses who get hit by everything

I wish i logged my keys i want jakey to roast me

[mortal brook]

go set it up

turn on advanced combat logging in settings, grab loggerhead. click yes when loggerhead asks if you want to log the content. gratz, logs

[onyx vessel]

[mortal brook]

grab the warcraftlogs uploader, throw log into uploader. gratz, logs are online.

set logs to not private, and now you can ||get fucking roasted lmao||

[onyx vessel]

Ima get roasted instant ppl see my sub 40% banner uptime

[mortal brook]

why is your banner so limp tho

[onyx vessel]

Cuz im dogshit

[mortal brook]

ezpz, just check the pins ↗️

[onyx vessel]

Still feels better then spear tbh

[zealous willow]

Is there option to put sound effect on weak aura spell ? Like when i have spell rdy not only to shine ,but with sound too

[onyx vessel]

Even at 40%

[zealous willow]

Banner is triicky, you cast it use all spells make it to 30sec then helaer or dpa decide to not dodge/heal. You wipe and there ur banner uptime goes..

[mortal brook]

yeah, depending on weak aura you can just add sound in the actions tab, or add it as a condition to certain triggers

[onyx vessel]

The most ive had is 85seconds

Progress

At 1 time obviously

Got a weak aura that tracks the time and overall best and current best for session

[mortal brook]

for a very simple example. i have a trigger for 'barkskin has 1s remaining on its cooldown' and 'action, play sound "soon"'

now i hear 'soon' when bark is almost off cd

[zealous willow]

To have good banner uptime. You must know dungeon perfectly, you must have plan how to chain pull and decide where to pop it so u can keep it alive till next 2min

Thanks Steve i will try it

[mortal brook]

in your case where you want something to glow and sound at same time, just add action or condition sound as an AND

to whatever is already making it glow

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

u dont need to know the dungeons and u dont need to plan on when to pop. i dont know dungeons that much i barely do mythic plus and i literally dont ever press banner until i loose it thats it

your focusing far to much on things that dont matter

its just press buttons

banner stays up

[topaz field]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-jim-carrey-jim-carrey-type-gif-4680550

[forest tulip]

Y'all have any tank alts?

[mortal brook]

just an f tier main

and a dozen mission tables

[brittle owl]

with an S tier tmog

[mortal brook]

i have many excellent mogs. tru

[brittle owl]

that pulls it up to C tier

[mortal brook]

c for 'c the bear on the floor'

[brittle owl]

floor rug main

[mortal brook]

my only consolation is my floor rug model hides infiltrator sleep circles

[brittle owl]

should run vanilla bear skin

so you can rp as a rug better

[mortal brook]

ah, maul

[forest tulip]

I like Guardian druid. It's so easy to play and you can do absurd pulls. Shame the rest of the class is meh, imo

[mortal brook]

fixed in 10.0 bless

[brittle owl]

idk in my experience empirical data shows that bear mains are secretely into furry anuses that grunt while idle

[remote tusk]

Is Highmountain still a good race for Prot?

[brittle owl]

it is a race that can play prot yes.

shouldn't really matter tbh

if it does you prob wanna play vulpera iirc

[forest tulip]

Zandalari troll best race for warrior

Solely because they look the coolest

[mortal brook]

[brittle owl]

atta boi

[mortal brook]

ztroll has an excellent mog frame

aside from the feet thing

literally cannot even post zandy feet pic??

which sorta proves my point

[ionic fern]

[queen stag]

[drifting juniper]

do you guys solo workshop first pack with ease?

[mortal brook]

long as you're not eating grenades and detonates you dont have to

and the pull doesnt go too long

[queen stag]

Not tried it myself yet, but apparently you need to pop literally everything. Necro fleshcraft, shield wall, the works

[mortal brook]

no reason not to

[queen stag]

Yeah

[mortal brook]

stuffs back by the time youve got armor off pummeler

[queen stag]

I actually want to do a workshop now just to try it

How does one finesse the 2nd boss in Workshop btw? The trick to bring it near box for the aoe and let dps still hit it

[topaz field]

pull is super ez u just press some buttons kick one detonate shockwave the other and not get hit by wheels

and everthing is dead in 5 sec

[topaz field]

u move him to a corner quite close then u stand still until he starts channeling and u get the buff thats shows you are safe while being able to have 100 % uptime

u should get yourself a wa or create one yourself for the buff

[queen stag]

Ok so to a corner. His hitbox must be quite big then if we can still technically be behind the box

[topaz field]

well its not really behind the box

just watch it on youtube tbh

my mouth cannot explain

its piss ez

[queen stag]

Yeah gonna do that

[topaz field]

the trick is that u are not really LOS but u have the buff anyways

[uncut dome]

Uhm is the lower iara first hit ring just a troll item or does it add value ?

[jagged pier]

its garbage

[mortal brook]

no haste is monka. effect is smol but it is free

[uncut dome]

Ah okay i see 🙂

[sick sentinel]

Yeah just keep pressing buttons and dont get hit by the saws or w/e that is

[short flame]

Pull the boss to one of the long side of the box. Place the boss on one eck and backpaddel to the other side

Stay there before the leap ends and youre gucci

If you take the shorter side it will bot work

[drifting juniper]

guys does anyone have that weak aurya for affix sleep

that it alarms when its near you

[sick sentinel]

Hows stun grenade for prot? No mainstat but powerful active every 2 mins

[lament shell]

its like codex doesnt give you main stat

thats what iv been hearing

[drifting fable]

its a decent offensive dungeon trinket

one of the better dung trinks, but gets outclassed by the sanctum trinkets

[uneven wagon]

my guild wont let me play dps prot

fucked up

[wintry nymph]

shit guild

they don't know the true power of dps prot

[uneven wagon]

fr if im pulling my weight i dont see the issue

[tropic gorge]

Lol mine won't let me tank. Even tho I'm equal or over the other players and am one of the only that runs m+. So I'm gonna find a group to run raids with on my own. I find dps boring

[uneven wagon]

same lol my guild already has 2 tanks I just filled in for a few weeks

I thought I got to tank for the full time 😢

[zealous willow]

did they remove the valor caches that u can send to alts items

[tropic gorge]

I helped push my guild past a couple of blocks during s2 raiding. But they won't let me do it full on. Sall good tho. If there's no room, there's no room

[uneven wagon]

guys do we get anything dps wise out of being hit I don't remember

[zealous willow]

Tanking for guild is hard , mostly gm is tank or officers

[tropic gorge]

That's how they seem to be. Can't tank unless your in the cool kids club

[zealous willow]

if u look from other side its logical , cus tanking is rly important and u cant trust random ppl to take so much important role in ur guild progress. Mostly ppl even tank themselfs (guild masters) , or just make some close fr officer to tank

[uneven wagon]

yeah you always need 2 tanks to raid so there's hardly ever any vacancies

[zealous willow]

• its hard to replace a good tank , thats why they preffer to make tanks a ppl that are close to them , so they wont leave randomly

[tropic gorge]

I get that. But when someone shows up and does the role better than most and on par or close to the Mt, you'd think people would be like "damn. Keep that dude that went smoothly!"

[zealous willow]

If u proove ur self and ur good , then its bad. But if u just replaced a guy who is playing tank for years in the guild well

Dps is better spot , u just make good logs every fight and dont die u will be raiding 😄

[tropic gorge]

Dps I find boring. But I'll see what I can find

I'd rather not lfg pug everything, but it's always an option

[zealous willow]

There is a so many options for dps u can always find a dps u like

for me is mm hunter atm

[uneven mason]

Playing something that can't tank

[sturdy sable]

To be fair alot of people arnt doing much outside of raid logging this tier

[topaz field]

i only see ppl padding into the affix this tier

is that logging nowadays?

i thought i forgot how to play my class after i killed rygelon last week when i was doing 4-5 k less than another ww in a pure ST fight but then checked boss dmg

[mortal brook]

its only pad after the 40th kill tbh. before then its effective damage

[minor helm]

It’s only pad when it’s more damage than you did

[topaz field]

ye i noticed good ppl hold their cds nowadays for 15 - 20 seconds i wonder why xD

[mortal brook]

as they should

[topaz field]

thats what everyone teaches hold your banner

hold your last stand

etc

for the upcoming pad

[mortal brook]

remind me how holding last stand or banner improves your multi

[uneven mason]

Rage generation and stat buff?

[mortal brook]

shouldnt banner be up regardless?

is your banner dropping before 20s in?

[uneven mason]

🤷‍♂️ you're not wrong

[minor helm]

Gives me mastery during CDs

[mortal brook]

but you have that mastery anyways right

[minor helm]

No mastery doesn’t extend

[mortal brook]

checks out then, ty

[minor helm]

At least for the dps it doesn’t

[mortal brook]

which if you get to 40 stacks without that, would be not worth holding for

[minor helm]

Correct in most senses but in the case of making my number go higher not so sure

[mortal brook]

and also spec dependant individually. get up to a 80% damage increase post-motes. if my spec inside my cd ST isnt 80% better than outside my cd, i should absolutely throw my cds at the motes ye?

is effective and sound strat, not pad till after that 40th kill

[minor helm]

Think everyone who can do even middle of the pack cleave/aoe just pumps cds into motes

[mortal brook]

and something like an enhancement shaman straight ignores them cuz damage profile

sends into boss happily with that extra 40 stack boost

but calling any damage into an affix add as pad is very disingenuous cuz it can be effective damage

and if like, my hunter is sending wild spirits on pull instead of on add spawn, and we dont hit 40 stacks, dude is actively throwing tbh

[toxic pewter]

Gonna run sod hopefully get rdm drop so don’t have to spend dinar on it

What you guys buying with dinar(s) today

[trim bay]

Another medivh arcane missiles question. I get using SR for the last tick so we don't get a debuff and that we need to save our kick for the group. I get really trucked by it. I'm rotating demo, SW, etc. But I fail to understand how we are not meant to take damage. Am I doing something wrong? 22 was not so bad but just got eaten in a 24

[mortal brook]

Same here

[left temple]

You just get fucking clapped

Do your best to pool rage and dump IPs I guess

[lofty widget]

IP's do a lot

[topaz field]

demo shout shieldwall FC healer external there is a lot of things u can do but ye its rough

[uneven mason]

Getting externals isn't a badbword

[toxic pewter]

aegis is really good for arcane missles

[uneven mason]

Also there is a very small amount to be said for the in demand absorb trinkets

Sure you could have a better general use, but medivh is really the pain point

[shut summit]

medivh and wyrm both suck, aegis is good for both

[stable valve]

open as prot or fury today

2 dinars left and getting second heroic upgrade (for rdm) this week

shield has avoidance on it

[topaz field]

are u playing prot?

then u want a weapon right

[stable valve]

which fury also drops

[topaz field]

but fury has 2 hand loot pool right?

[stable valve]

and prot has shield loot pool

[topaz field]

if u know the answer why bother asking xD

but ye i guess there are fewer shields than weapons

and since u have trinkets

[ionic fern]

@shut summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePNhkVPAUM&ab_channel=Sense

Did you use Codex? If not i call bs.

[stable valve]

I don't know the answer, I just don't see your reasoning w/ the weapon stuff

[ionic fern]

[topaz field]

i think there are more 2 handers than shields thats why i would stay prot

[stable valve]

are there less shields in raid vs 2 hands?

[topaz field]

u killed raid bosses?

[stable valve]

I think M+ only has 3 shields yeah?

[tropic gorge]

Isn't there always a shield shortage

[strong forum]

Sense clearly hacking

[drifting fable]

you dont need a shield and you already have rdm which is pretty much the only other tank trink youd need is aegis so better to try for a 304 wep

[topaz field]

then i would always keep the prot loot for aegis

[drifting fable]

^

weapon or aegis, your shield is already 304, only way youre making that better is mythic raiding

[stable valve]

had an aegis in vault last week but took tokens

I'm probs capping a 25 keys this season, so I feel like I probs don't need

[strong forum]

True but still

[stable valve]

except maybe high tyr medihv

[strong forum]

Just having that aegis in bags would make me happy

[stable valve]

plus can always dinar. I knew I wouldn't use aegis for a good bit which is why I put it off

figured sockets would be better to have for push week (which I didn't get to do much of but oh well)

[strong forum]

Ya we been slacking aswell

[stable valve]

some dps trinkets would be fat for raid parsing though

[sand egret]

🙏 for vaults today

[stable valve]

was having pug trouble so decided to whip out the dk and fuck around

1700 from sat to last night

[strong forum]

Nah for us its more like that we can only do 2-3 keys a day

But if we play well next week we could maybe scratch 2.9k

[lofty widget]

next week is good too right?

[strong forum]

Next week is insane

Tyr volc raging

Omega free

[toxic pewter]

sounds great to me

[jagged pier]

oh might actually do a m+ next week then

[lofty widget]

nice, finally get to push my last tyr keys above 20 then

[strong forum]

I have like 3 tyr keys at 20/21

Rest is like 17-19

[zealous willow]

next week i hit 2500 with casual mode

[lofty widget]

we have lower 29 for tonight, im scared

[toxic pewter]

anything get awarded for 3k rating?

[strong forum]

We got GD 28, bing chilling

[jagged pier]

casual mode is not doing keys like me

only do them when nome invites me

[strong forum]

Nah 3k might be enough for 0.1% title

[lofty widget]

all our keys turn into lower or upper, but medivh is gonna slap with a demo lock and spriest+druid healer

[strong forum]

My projection is that R1 title will be around 3k

[toxic pewter]

Yah I sort of want to go for the .1% title this season 😛

[lofty widget]

whats that all 27/28s?

[strong forum]

2.9k is 27.5 across the board

So it'll be like all 28s

[stable valve]

Any idea if the title goes away with prepatch or not?

[strong forum]

Wait no

3k is 27.5 across the board

[stable valve]

In bfa didn’t ksm stay around after prepatch?

[strong forum]

I think

[stable valve]

Tbh I don’t really remember

[toxic pewter]

2889.0 is the current .1% cutoff

[strong forum]

For na

[toxic pewter]

for all factions us

ya

whats eu

[strong forum]

EU is already 2920 or smth

[toxic pewter]

osnap

[edgy grail]

Eu is prob 3900

[stable valve]

Chads

[edgy grail]

Real gamers over there

[toxic pewter]

EU too good

[strong forum]

R1 title this season will be harder

[dense hound]

2919

[strong forum]

Cuz alot less casuals to fill up the pond

[toxic pewter]

alliance seems a good bit harder since cross faction

almost 100 points on na

[edgy grail]

Well alliance was free asf before

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter

[topaz field]

there is no difference

[toxic pewter]

is it the all faction that matters

[topaz field]

in playing alliance or horde

one title for all people

[toxic pewter]

Ok gotcha

[topaz field]

thats equality apb

[strong forum]

Yes, with cross faction gaming the removed the faction specific rating

[toxic pewter]

sounds good to me lol

[topaz field]

but 3k is hopium i think

all good players havent started playing keys yet

[toxic pewter]

how long does this season even last for at this point? like 2 more months or something

[topaz field]

or lets say teams

[stable valve]

You think none of the good players did bursting storming this past week?

[toxic pewter]

do seasons usually go into pre patch or end before pre patch

[topaz field]

well since there was tgp a lot of teams missed out

[edgy grail]

Before pre patch

You can see bfa has a “post season”

[toxic pewter]

ok, thats what I figured

[sand egret]

wait what is this standing on box tech for that rift portal dude on the 1st boss? yoinkin that

[strong forum]

Hard to tell

People are reaching tgp levels already

[topaz field]

ye it is

[strong forum]

Like, they can't push much higher

Cuz of uncapped valor

[topaz field]

ye most of them are full geared almost i think

[strong forum]

People started to have full gear insanely fast, compared to other seasons

Max rio we'll see is maybe 3.3k

[edgy grail]

People will do higher than TGP tho

No tertiary in TGP and some dungeons had shit affixes

[strong forum]

In TGP they had 308ilvl equipped

That's a big game changer

Not to mention they can't spam the same key

They have to roll off of other keys

[edgy grail]

With dinars and a couple more weeks people will have better gear than TGP

[strong forum]

Only if they full cleared every mythic raid

[edgy grail]

Which is like all the relevant m+ pushers

[strong forum]

And will continue to do so

[sturdy sable]

TGP?

[hazy edge]

You also have to actually get the push keys on live

[toxic pewter]

the great push

[sturdy sable]

OHH

[hazy edge]

instead of just timing a key level lower of that key

[sturdy sable]

Yeah i havnt watch anything like that since the moved off of twitch

[strong forum]

Tgp is on twitch

Tgp was always on twitch

[sturdy sable]

What?!?

[dawn canyon]

Yes

[sturdy sable]

Dude

[strong forum]

It's only mdi and awc that's specific to Youtube.

[dawn canyon]

TGP isnt in the yt contract

[strong forum]

Everything else is also on twitch

[sturdy sable]

I assumed it was everything

[toxic pewter]

also a lot of streamers that participate are streaming their pov

[strong forum]

That contract is also gonna run out soon iirc

[topaz field]

has to be extended for sure! youtube is so good if there only was a streaming platform that could match it

[minor helm]

Yeah it is

[strong forum]

Well Youtube does pay big bucks

It's just that viewership is literally halved

[toxic pewter]

I like Youtube's player more than twitch personally and twitch runs way more ads so I prefer to watch on youtube 🤷‍♂️

[tropic gorge]

Twitch has a good ui. YouTube is better for everything else imo

[shut summit]

ya hackin with no dk priest or lock

[tropic gorge]

Including image quality

[shut summit]

secret tech

[tropic gorge]

Yt is also better for small time people to get noticed. Twitch will be dead in the next 2 years if they don't figure out how to make money

[sand egret]

Sense, why does your input tracker constantly say "Squeak!"

[toxic pewter]

ty for posting this I also am going to use that box tech and congratulations on +30

[shut summit]

🦇

[sand egret]

secret bat confirmed

[shut summit]

is just a toy

[toxic pewter]

area 52 is back up

[sturdy sable]

Tbh i don't watch any wow streamers

[lament shell]

no way 3.3k title

its 27s every season

and this seasson people dont even play

[distant crystal]

has anyone done the math

am i more likely to get a shit trinket or an ok shield when rolling prot for m+ vault

[topaz field]

isnt that the same strategy with which every succesful company during the last 20 years penetrated the market?

[sturdy sable]

I'm sure theres more shields than shit tank trinkets

[distant crystal]

idk the M+ pool is kinda whack right now

like no shields/weaps from kara

[sturdy sable]

Oh yeah thats right weve got like no options for a m+ shield anymore

[distant crystal]

man that's a lot of shit trinkets

5/7 w/ rice

[tropic gorge]

Oof

[distant crystal]

i guess grenade is kinda shitty too in a different way

[drifting fable]

grenade is aight. best out of that lineup besides soleahs

[distant crystal]

maybe i just roll fury and try to pug m tarragrue or something

might even be able to weasel my way into tarra with our main raid :hmm:

[strong forum]

Which makes it so the top 0.1% is a formed by a smaller population, making the requirement higher.
Also I didn't say 3.3k for r1 title.

I said 3.3k will be the absolute highest rio achieved

Somewhere around that

Unless a buttload of players start increasing the population of m+

[distant crystal]

i'm doing my part with a weekly 15 on every trap alt

[shut summit]

was 2847 horde NA in s2 with same amount of dungeons, def gona be 3k+ this season

[topaz field]

just be the one brown guy in the red tank field

[thorny stone]

Does the balls from iron docks apply bursting

when we kill the 15 mobs?

[vestal moat]

I thought there wasn’t title this season

[shut summit]

certain mobs do, not all of them

[mellow bridge]

im shocked you timed that streets

your pulls looked so small/slow

[distant crystal]

we did the stars as normal and didn't wipe, didn't really think about bursting

i think bursting is like 100yd range or something too right?

[shut summit]

🐢 slow and steady

[lofty widget]

streets is super chill this season

[mellow bridge]

wish i had time to push rn 😩

finally free in 2 weeks when the shit weeks start

real good timing

[zealous willow]

bro pugs cant learn medvih

im bored to deplate my keys on this boss everytime

[tropic gorge]

That's my motto. Huge pulls can be fun but I prefer to chain pull decent sized packs. I've had more success with that

[distant crystal]

had p decent luck w/ pugs on medivh actually

[mellow bridge]

chain pulling can be good but it kinda depends on your comp

[shut summit]

we just cram bosses with our comp so dont need to go insane on trash pulls

[zealous willow]

2.600 rio healer cant overheall and he dont go with inforno bolt to unfreeze

[tropic gorge]

I've had decent luck in both upper and lower. Lower 13 last night didn't go well, healer bailed

[zealous willow]

this is my healer who boost these guys to 2600

my dps stays on winter and dps tunell till he dies

2500 rio dps

how ppl that cant play are 2500 rio atm

[tropic gorge]

For mediv pugs I've had the best luck with a shit ton of interrupts, and people that use them

Basically. Bring a shaman lol

[toxic pewter]

6 ilvls for pants better than 2 sockets, right kind of dumb question but just making sure

[chrome falcon]

For pants yes

Because big budget

[undone verge]

It was really dumb, but all the Dow were bleeding out the entire dungeon lol

[plush prism]

on my FUCKING HUNTER

[toxic pewter]

Ok thats what I figured

[chrome falcon]

I think pants is the cutoff where it’s basically the same

[toxic pewter]

Ok cool, i want the ilvl increase too

[nova rover]

is fusion hacker really BIS?

[plush prism]

from Mythics, yes, and basically comparable to anything you'd get from raids

[nova rover]

Thanks

yea got a 304 in vault

[drifting fable]

its pretty good single target, but other 304-311 weapons will be better in AOE

but it its your best wep its good

if you have a choice between weapons you can sim

[ornate peak]

any one know what would be the preferred sheild, the arrowbreaker greatshield or salvaged mekacycle shielding?

[drifting fable]

arrowbreaker

[ornate peak]

oki ty

[hardy dove]

How is seismic reverberation in keys? I noticed someone on raider.io using it and was curious about it

[queen hemlock]

mb is amulet bis for prot that you would take it over helm?

[topaz field]

no if u dont raid mythic

yes if u get ez access to a mythic helm

[queen hemlock]

cant get a mythic raid slow at best heroic and m+

so you recommend amulet or helm

[topaz field]

ye then i would take the helmet over the neck

since u can loot the neck and upgrade to 298 which is far less value lost than not taking the main stat as well

[queen hemlock]

ah oke

[topaz field]

unless the neck has leech then u might think about it

[royal marten]

are the anodized deflectors worthwhile, seems neat

[queen hemlock]

has avoidence not sure if its good enough tho

its an inbuild stats tho

[topaz field]

no avoidance is not really strong for tanks

[queen hemlock]

yea thought so thats why asking

thanks tho

[topaz field]

enjoy that nice helmet 🙂

[strong forum]

Insanely clunky and you lose a ton of block uptime

My suspicion is that he just really really hates reprisal

[urban portal]

its pretyt mid

[strong forum]

Fusion hacker is as good as it Sims

Not good for aoe, decent on ST

[thorny stone]

Never ending dot from the rampaging clefhood

My healer had to let me die to cleanse it

We noticed it on last boss kekw

[strong forum]

Kek

[grand locust]

how dependent on weapon damage are we?

is going from 146-189 -> 205 -> 264 actualyl translate into substantial damage?

guessing its not gonna increase my overall dps by 25%, but maybe like 10%?

[urban portal]

sim it

[grand locust]

idk if i can

its a valor upgrade

[urban portal]

can still sim it

[grand locust]

oh

nice

[vapid lynx]

Gear compare let’s you change ilvl

[urban portal]

like this

[strong forum]

Going from a 226 to a 304 weapon will literally double your dps

[brave badge]

How's the junkyard shield? Between it at 304 and a socketed avoidance helmet at 304 in my vault...

[strong forum]

It's the worst shield, but ilvl is what counts

A 304 Mekka shield will be better than any 298 shield

But any other 304 is better than Mekka

[urban portal]

only if you dont go the crit vers build

[lusty grotto]

rip opened vault in fury loot spec cause i forgot to change it

even though i made 5 mental notes to change it before

[sand egret]

I had that happen to me the other day. I was wondering why I was getting trucked after the key ended

[lusty grotto]

nice upgrade tho

[sand egret]

bruh I got the same helm

#twinning

[lusty grotto]

xD

🤝

[modern brook]

5x0 =0 no brain ass

[lusty grotto]

facts

babby weap hurting me so much

278

[modern brook]

Absolute child weapon

[sturdy sable]

I had a 278 for the first 3 weeks of the new season absolutely hated it

Went to a 311 in a night tho so

[lusty grotto]

gotta spam more workshop 😢

i hate spamming

311? i dont raid so rip

[sturdy sable]

I got a lucky sire drop and had one of those mythic upgrade tokens sitting my my bag

Yeah heroic sire wep upgraded into 311

I got jipped out of my first 2 weeks of dinar prog due to faction changing (my fault shoulda pay attention to the warnings) so i had no ows to boost

So ill get my first one today 😊

[sand egret]

Nimchip more like Soychip amirite

[lusty grotto]

gotta pug some mythic i guess

[sand egret]

first boss is the hardest

and by first boss i mean the "but but you're not a dk" boss for invites

[lusty grotto]

ok then

maybe next week

😄

i havent even done sanctum outside of LFR lmaoooo

[sand egret]

sick tmog for shields tho in there

[sturdy sable]

If it aint bulwark it aint it

[sick sentinel]

idk why tho, its fun and really really comes in clutch when u lose sb and can just intervene ur melee

[lusty grotto]

cause reprisal gameplay blows

[real fossil]

Does anyone know the smallest shield transmog?

[lusty grotto]

not hard to understand lamo

[toxic pewter]

bulwark just has a normal droprate, right? cant seem to get it to drop

[strong forum]

I can understand where he's coming from but instead playing a build that's worse offensively, worse defensively and abysmal banner uptime?

That just seems weird

[sturdy sable]

It def feels low

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's weird

[strong forum]

But it's good enough to time 29s so who am I to judge...

[lusty grotto]

i hate reprisal and still play it

😄

[real fossil]

There’s a tiny shield from gnomergon I use for transmog it’s smaller than most axe model heads

[strong forum]

I'm accustomed to rep, I hate when I don't play it cuz I just lack rage left right and center

But if they could remove the min range on charge, pwar would be disgustingly strong

Which I wouldn't mind

[lusty grotto]

you were accustomed to bolster once too

it'll change

[delicate kraken]

aegies or shield?

[strong forum]

Ik

Shield

Youll get 2 dinars this week

[sand egret]

removing min range on charge would be so huge

[uneven mason]

So jelly

[sand egret]

it's my #1 annoyance

[uneven mason]

Imagine having 2 good options in your vault

[real fossil]

This is a dank vault

[sick sentinel]

i prob dont hate it cause ive been playing arms pretty much exclusively for 3 seasons

[lusty grotto]

its preferential honestly

just dont assume people everyone finds it fun

[uneven mason]

👢

[sick sentinel]

fair mb

[lusty grotto]

tbf if we had different playstyles it would be poggers

[delicate kraken]

yea, passing up aegis is eh but dinars are a thing so I can wait

[lusty grotto]

DF copium

[icy garden]

vault pog

[sudden shell]

77.7

[zealous willow]

guys what u think for neck 226 haste / 90 versa vs 190 crit / 142 haste

[strong forum]

I'm using the crit one

Cuz it just Sims more

Even when the other one has a socket it still Sims better

[lusty grotto]

so amp over cabochon?

hmm

interesting

[strong forum]

It's not even cabachon

It's the upper kara neck

[lusty grotto]

i see

i guess it'll be worth simming cabochon vs amp then

[remote tusk]

This typo is triggering me a bit.. Thunder Clap not Thunderclap

[zealous willow]

i like the crit one aft i use the crit

[strong forum]

Blizzard and tooltips

[zealous willow]

I remember i read somewhere that dinars will be more faster to farm

[strong forum]

For a few months the mage tower challenge was for "vegeance" dh, and not vengeance dh

[zealous willow]

like they will open all fates in 1 week something?

[strong forum]

So the entry message was red for vdh, despite being able to enter

[strong forum]

Nobody knows when, just that they will

[zealous willow]

i guess after 2 weeks

[strong forum]

The initial schedule was covered until 7th sep

Then it's speculation

[queen hemlock]

trying to kit out my prot with M+ bis

is bracer's haste/vers very important?

or fuck it and make a unity there and get a haste vers belt

[lusty grotto]

can just tier bracers

[queen hemlock]

or vers isnt so important

[drifting fable]

sim

[queen hemlock]

as in for taking lesser damage

[drifting fable]

those are sim questions

[strong forum]

Vers isn't important

[drifting fable]

if you arent pushing super duper high keys you wont need vers

[queen hemlock]

or more damage means neeeding to tank less

[strong forum]

Sense is doing 30s with 10% vers

[drifting fable]

even then

yea

[strong forum]

It literally doesn't matter

[queen hemlock]

so other than haste the rest doesn't really matter?

[lusty grotto]

just tier bracers if you dont have haste bracers

[strong forum]

Yeup

Just get ilvl with haste

And you Gucci

[zealous willow]

i will move my unity belt to bracers , cus i have 304 belt just waiting for vault

i cant decide haste/crit or versa yet

[queen hemlock]

havent seen it yet bingchilling

[strong forum]

Unity belt is only a thing to do if you can get 311s from raid

Otherwise unity on cloak/neck/wrist is better

[ionic fern]

Or if you don't have the rep.

[urban portal]

Wow makes sure all stats are ROUGHLY equal

[ionic fern]

Like me.

[urban portal]

Never exactly but always roughly equal

[strong forum]

Eeeeh

[distant crystal]

unity wherever the sim says to put it, recraft every week

[queen hemlock]

so better to bracker unity over belt unity huh?

[strong forum]

Yes

[queen hemlock]

ok

[strong forum]

Belt is a larger stat budget than wrist/cloak

So you lose less stats overall having it on those

[queen hemlock]

tho i wish to save money so you recommend what missive as ill be sharing it with arms

[distant crystal]

basically the opposite reasoning as last tier

[tropic gorge]

I swapped my pants to boots. Need 1 more item for 4pc bonus. I can't get a chest or shoulder to drop at all.
I bet when I check my vault, both are there

[queen hemlock]

just haste crit?

[strong forum]

Crit haste

[distant crystal]

we wanted leggos on the biggest budget slots, now smallest

[queen hemlock]

alright mang thanks

weapon is just sawtoothblade vs fusion hacker right? i dont need to get anything else?

[zealous willow]

weapon is max ilvl

but if u ask me i preffer with stats

[queen hemlock]

yea both on 298

[strong forum]

Streets sword is also crit haste

[real fossil]

free sockets with unity is also free

[icy garden]

Sim

Ye I just got street's sword <3

Big upgrade over my 226 Anima one lol

[strong forum]

Ya just sim I got streets sword at 304 from vault week1

[queen hemlock]

havent got the streets drop since last season

havent seen a codex either

[zealous willow]

im waiting still vault shield stuck with 260 😄

[queen hemlock]

i wanna try no SB codex

[lusty grotto]

oh no

he said the codex word

[zealous willow]

use codex on ur own risk

[distant crystal]

lie/cheat/steal your way into a mythic tarragrue run

[drifting fable]

you just wanna die then

[distant crystal]

easy boss, nice haste-heavy 304 shield

[icy garden]

I got arrowbreaker last night from a pug

[zealous willow]

im 295 ilvl but no sheld 😄

[icy garden]

Granted it's 1/12

[zealous willow]

i will try next week if i dont get from vault

no single shield drop and i have so many dungeons lol

[cunning pecan]

Just got 304 Arrowbreaker from Vault.

[vernal vale]

My shield is the heroic vigilant guardian one and I hate it.

I want stats

[queen hemlock]

more block value

[vernal vale]

Pfft.

It's a bad shield.

[queen hemlock]

hehe

take the shield and fusion hacker

its all no stats no

w

[vernal vale]

If it wasn't highest item level.

Fusion hacker actually has a decent passive at least.

The vigilant one is utterly useless

[urban portal]

vigilant one does have a passive

block value

[queen hemlock]

it's ability sounds so niche sounds so fun

[urban portal]

vigilant is the same concept as hacker

you get some minor benefit for losing secondaries

but at least the shield provides something relevant

instead of hackers minor ST damage

[vernal vale]

Except a same ilvl shield Sims 2% more dps

[urban portal]

of course

but it doesnt have the block value

a 304 vig shield is about the same as a 311 shield in terms of block

same with 291 vig vs 298 generic

[vernal vale]

Shit doesn't need to be blocked if it'd dead.

[urban portal]

then why arent you forcing your raid to solo tank

my point is, if i had a choice between 304 hacker vs 304 vig shield

[vernal vale]

Lol, solo tanked sludge heroic this week.

[urban portal]

i would take shield anyday

[vernal vale]

Oh I would take the bigger shield too. There are far fewer shields

Doesn't mean I like vigilant shield.

[plush prism]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[coral marsh]

If the horses at lower kara charge into a new pack and pull who is at fault?

[south zealot]

yours

[coral marsh]

whoever is in line to new pack and randomly gets aggro right

[queen hemlock]

gratz my dude

[south zealot]

if youre the tank

[coral marsh]

they always charge the tank?

[south zealot]

yes

or whoever has agro

so unless they taunt they shouldnt be charged

[cunning pecan]

What does hackers DPS value come out to?

[plush prism]

thank you! makes 40 mech runs this week with no luck way less painful haha

[cunning pecan]

Is it less than 300?

[vernal vale]

On single target its slightly better than an equal ilvl weapon with stats

[south zealot]

yep

[urban portal]

you can sim it

[south zealot]

dont know rhe exact dps number

but it should be just a bit better

[urban portal]

its affected by crit haste vers, i cant just give it to you off the top of my head

[vernal vale]

Basically it's just a raid weapon to hit bosses slightly harder to try to parse slightly better.

[cunning pecan]

I'm gonna run a sim real quick. Im just curious. I like having the stats off my weapon but I don't have a haste weapon yet. Got 298 KT weapon.

[urban portal]

if you dont wanna think too much, its hacker ST other weapon aoe

you can swap in m+ if you are really tryhard

[vernal vale]

I'll put it this way my Sim is less than 1% better than my Stat weapon

[vernal vale]

Guess I'm a tryhard because I do this.

[urban portal]

enchant sinful on hacker

for the full effect

[lusty tiger]

Oo

[plush prism]

does anyone know the best instance for droprate for any shoulder piece?

[lusty tiger]

Meaty executes

[cunning pecan]

Oh it's probably not even worth the valor then. I have a hacker at like 265 or something.

[vernal vale]

Definitely a tryhard then lol

[vernal vale]

It was my biggest weapon until this week when I finally got a raid drop for a 298 so I dumped valor

Uncapped season anyways

[cunning pecan]

I wanna try and get in a mythic pug for the terra shield.

[vernal vale]

Tarra is an easy pug

[cunning pecan]

Yeah. I think Eye is pretty easy too. I might hit up some guildies and see if they got anything going on their other servers.

[vernal vale]

Pugging in for that shield that tier is how u wound up pugging through 9 and getting mythic aegis

[cunning pecan]

Lol my guild all quit after Painsmith in 9.1. I played Enh Shaman then. This is my first season tanking and playing a prot warrior. I love it though.

[echo egret]

Where do you have to stand to jump-pull Zulgamux through the grate, before 1st boss in Grimrail Depot ?

[plush prism]

hm? just at the door? wym

[sudden shell]

I just run past wall spamming taunt

[plush prism]

you guys don't pull him into boss room?

[sudden shell]

Ye they just walk thru , reset boss so stop pattin

[lofty widget]

you cant be directly in front of the gate it counts as los

have to be on either side of it

[plush prism]

oh do you guys pull Zul before the boss or something?

[sudden shell]

Ye

[plush prism]

interesting

[sudden shell]

If you taunt spam thru wall will aggro walk thru gate

[plush prism]

do you pull zul and the bottom guy at the same time for the haste

[lofty widget]

yes

[south zealot]

you dont even need to span

[plush prism]

but only taunt works so you have to wait 7s, or does bottom come?