you're such a douche
#protection
snow estuary
you say that as if without the weapon they do 0 damage
delicate kraken
even though if gavel was removed they would still be brought in most content
My guy
sand pebble
how about instead of removing gavel we allow warriors to use a 2h weap and a shield
delicate kraken
If you really wanna get nit picky about it
mortal brook
good gaslight tbh, calling ppl upset, hateful
mighty valley
simply no care balance
strong forum
again, the whole point is not that BDK is ahead, the point is by how FAR it is ahead
mortal brook
dont gotta be upset to say bdk is numerically ahead in terms of output, defensiveness and healer economy
strong forum
how do you not get this
sand pebble
it 100% isnt gavel its their sustain - guild bdk solo'd last boss mechagon from 40%
snow estuary
rogues have sylv dagger, hunters have the sylv bow, melee strength users get gavel, healers and ranged dps get fucked and every tank other than dk gets fucked
why introduce insane weapons to only half the classes
mortal brook
rogues have sylv dagger, hunters have the sylv bow, melee strength users get gav...
not so fast
snow tusk
DK has been kinda immortal since their introduction, like 15 years ago? hardly new and worth complaining about. Do they deal damage with gavel? yeah, sure and that might be a point to complain about i guess, but being mad about something that has been true for 15 years, please.
mortal brook
again, good gaslight
snow estuary
we're only complaining about gavel though
ocean yoke
tbh hpriest just glad bdk, surv, and lock are taking all the attention off them
tropic gorge
Druid vs dk. Who's more op. And go!
snow tusk
no xD every second complain is also about them being tanky af
tropic gorge
Neither can die! Both do insane dps!
mighty valley
you're a couple patches behind mimic lmao
tropic gorge
Both require 2 buttons, 3 tops!
snow estuary
no its the fact that they're already tanky and still have gavel, are you reading anything?
mortal brook
DK has been kinda immortal since their introduction, like 15 years ago? hardly n...
'this thing has always been inequitable why are you still complaining' like bruh how is that a reasonable argument
tropic gorge
Instead of nerfing everything, can we just buff stuff to be equal to top tier? Kthx! Lol
delicate kraken
DK has been kinda immortal since their introduction, like 15 years ago? hardly n...
The current thing is what always gets complained about, Same was said for every patch this expansion and during bfa. The only only outcome I see here is that blizz have terrible class designing and can't balance classes good enough with items and other things in the game without making any outliers. On the other hand, People complain when their class is dogshit but that hasn't been the case for a lot of classes since recent but you still have the outliers because things like gavel.
chrome falcon
did you guys see that video of the BDK soloing the last 2% of mythic inerva's hp
during the enrage
mighty valley
damn, we're all out here playing a game with terrible class design. are we all just really stupid
chrome falcon
also
holy shit
that's the last time i try pulling both of the guys after first boss grimrail at the same time
110k bleed ticks
healer can't get a cast because of storming
sand pebble
haha yep they hurt
strong forum
huh
lofty widget
Jump down, fuck melees
strong forum
am i missing something? that bleed has never hit me for more than 6k
mortal brook
stacking debuff for it to do more dam
rotund cliff
high keys the debuff stacks so high that it ticks you for a shit ton
lofty widget
It Will hurt when dps insist to kill Them both evenly
strong forum
just dwarf it at high stacks
mortal brook
doesnt work
strong forum
it does
rotund cliff
Removes bleed not debufd
mortal brook
well, clears bleeds but not the extra dam taken
chrome falcon
the debuff does literally nothing
you just block double slash
the bleed ticking for 40% of your health bar every second is the problem
chrome falcon
mortal brook
chrome falcon
🤷♂️
mortal brook
🤷♂️
tropic gorge
Grim rail scares me because of the flame debuff. Being a dwarf is > silly debuff. But that flame shit fucking hurrrrrrts
chrome falcon
just dodge it
tropic gorge
That being said I did time a 12 last night. That felt good
chrome falcon
you can move out of shrapnel blast very easily
mortal brook
it doesnt track
tropic gorge
Yeah. I do try. Often times right into a damn tornado or some shit on the floor lol
sonic crag
People like to dogpile Blizz cause of class design. Yes, there is parity that's frustrating, we all agree. But I think most people forget that the overwhelming majority of players in this game don't get beyond +15 keys and Heroic raiding. For those players, legitimately every class/spec is viable and works. Complaining that people want a Blood DK over Prot warrior for their +28 key is Blizz to balance the game for the top 1%.
tropic gorge
Accidentally stepped into a sleep pool during that. I was spamming my kyrian pot
strong forum
that isnt the point argued, again
chrome falcon
but yeah the sleep pools are horrible during that
strong forum
idc about being top pick
i really dont
but the fact remains that 1 specific outlier insanely outperforms other tanks
tropic gorge
Went back to pelagos last night. I got sick of Bron doing Bron shit and pulling mobs when I take a short cut
mortal brook
yall killin the canary with all the gaslight
tropic gorge
I love the guy but he's dumb
topaz field
People like to dogpile Blizz cause of class design. Yes, there is parity that's ...
i dont see balancing the famous 1% cannot work in accordance with general ppl
every other game proves that
chrome falcon
if you're going to play kyrian you should at least play the soubind that makes spear a 40 second cooldown
but you shouldn't play kyrian
tropic gorge
Lol. I'll stick with it. Too late to change and I don't care enough.
And yeah that's the mech tree to the lower CD iirc. But Bron has fucked me up quite a bit taking short cuts
delicate kraken
Lol. I'll stick with it. Too late to change and I don't care enough.
Play what you want, your char at the end of the day
tropic gorge
Right click his buff? I've actually never thought to try that
drifting fable
yup
rotund cliff
Cancel aura macro in like shield slam
strong forum
^
mortal brook
cancelaura for bron and also his stacks works fine for when you need to
tropic gorge
I don't get over 20 in m+. My Max so far is 18 or 19. So I ain't terribly worried a lot about a small percentage increase
sonic crag
To quote Ion on this, the bigger point is that you're playing game 2. That's not the game Blizz is actively designing. The number of times you personally failed a key/encounter because you were playing Prot Warrior vs Blood DK is trivial compared to the 1000's of other people who play what they want and don't care.
sonic crag
I like having oh shit buttons
played correctly, Necro doesn't need the oh shit buttons outside of our kit
drifting fable
do you run reprisal kyrian?
chrome falcon
To quote Ion on this, the bigger point is that you're playing game 2. That's not...
"The number of times you personally failed a key/encounter because you were playing Prot Warrior vs Blood DK is trivial" i don't really think this is true
drifting fable
i promise you its not that much different if so
distant crystal
what's with the dude on grimrail that keeps turning and shotting melees
it's those same double slash dudes after first boss
chrome falcon
90% of the time you're right but BDK right now is pretty next level
lofty widget
grenadiers?
chrome falcon
where were you fighting them waat
jagged pier
distant crystal
usually at the top by the door
chrome falcon
hm
distant crystal
but this was happening while we ran up
distant crystal
i saw it once while tanking but got killed by it on mage w/ a pug tank last night
tropic gorge
do you run reprisal kyrian?
Yea
distant crystal
ahh
chrome falcon
when they throw their grenades sometimes they just swap targets
distant crystal
so we gotta rp walk with them
lofty widget
even more reason to pull them 1 at a time
chrome falcon
you just don't have spear
but not gonna pressure if you're happy with kyrian, necro is definitely much stronger and infinitely tankier but 🤷♂️
drifting fable
some might say its easier since you dont have that extra button lol
chrome falcon
yeah it's definitely more than a small % increase, it's pretty much class defining at this point
tropic gorge
The vial is the main reason. But I do enjoy well timed spears that yeet assholes trying to jump away
Spear into Shockwave to keep stuff sitting is satisfying to me
I'll miss the vial the most once df hits
chrome falcon
ok uh
drifting fable
that is a very appealing aspect of spear youre not wrong
tropic gorge
Oh? I didn't realize
chrome falcon
we literally get phial, verbatim, word for word, as a talent
tropic gorge
Well then!
drifting fable
have you tried necro out?
urban portal
its also class wide
tropic gorge
Oh. Well I haven't looked at the df talent tree on wow head yet. After the pass this week and once they have talents kinda finalized I plan on looking into them deeper
tropic gorge
have you tried necro out?
Negative
tropic gorge
I also skipped s3 and s4 until a couple weeks ago. It all changed on me lol
toxic pewter
so this week after reset we can get 2 dinars, right?
topaz field
no slacking allowed apb as usal
sick sentinel
only 1 for warrior here
toxic pewter
lol 😛
topaz field
Ion wants you to raid!
toxic pewter
I actually like Ion, I feel like a lot of the community doesnt like him
topaz field
i dont know him and i wish him all the best but everytime i hear him talking and how he sees the game i share zero to none opinions with him
uneven mason
Because he doesn't do hard questions
toxic pewter
I feel like his answers always make sense to me
south zealot
wait thats a tank buster?
toxic pewter
how do you guys pull workshop mobs after the first boss?
toxic pewter
Oh shit
tropic gorge
I like to avoid as much at I can she bee line to the next
toxic pewter
everything before zul gamux
actually not bad idea, might as well pull all those oozes together
topaz field
its just 2 mobs and one infiltrator
toxic pewter
and get them over with
topaz field
and a lot of those little ones
toxic pewter
ya that first pull i get
topaz field
14 i think
toxic pewter
i do that too
topaz field
but if they all explode i need to stack shieldwall SR and stuff like that
toxic pewter
ya
topaz field
and i can dwarf off those 14 stacks xD
toxic pewter
oh the bursting stacks?
yah that shit is scary
lmao
can you los bursting i forget
no, right?
topaz field
no u cannot
toxic pewter
Ok
topaz field
i think u can outrange but i dont know how far u would have to be
tropic gorge
and i can dwarf off those 14 stacks xD
Dwarf powah!
topaz field
ye they suck
with the sleep swirlies and the fucking machine
who is trying to kill your dps
toxic pewter
yes
it makes sense to just pull all the oozes together though
so can just be over and done with
topaz field
its quite ez with a bit of practice
toxic pewter
yes
toxic pewter
right, its the after their dead part that annoys me
but if i save my shield wall and sr
should be ok
if my team dies its on them 😛
topaz field
idk if u can still check dmg at justhealus
toxic pewter
I have an aegis too.. that alone will let me live
i guess I justfind my group dying a lot and maybe its my positioning of the oozes thats the problem or some shit
but its not like im positioning them where they cant los
topaz field
ye they have to immune or your healer has to carry them
toxic pewter
ya
topaz field
but u can live that easily with a bit of practice
toxic pewter
Ok
topaz field
and its quite efficient
snow estuary
i guess I justfind my group dying a lot and maybe its my positioning of the ooze...
you can skip past them and pull backwards, could make it easier to do slimes
toxic pewter
yes, I also was considering that as I saw a route that emplyed that method
topaz field
ye it makes it easier
toxic pewter
and I like that, but would pugs be Ok with that
snow estuary
that was a strat in bfa with obelisks
toxic pewter
like they should have invis pots
lofty widget
doubt its worth
toxic pewter
if we have no rogue
topaz field
because its so troll to loss there with the sleep swirly u barely see in the water
snow estuary
just easier to position and less chance of body pulling something
lofty widget
its still very easy to los from the other side
toxic pewter
yeah i feel like in a pug its a hassle
chrome falcon
it's easy if you're in a co-ordinated group
lofty widget
like you pull 2 packs of slimes after the 2 drills, you move out if drill is about to spin on party
chrome falcon
you just bait puddle away
and then move behind and kill slimes
but in pugs i just accept it's like 3+ deaths there
lofty widget
and from my xp, someone always fucks up the invis and you end up loosing banner
toxic pewter
Ok so its sort of expected right lmao
snow estuary
you gotta trust your group to not 1 shot the slimes before you can position
a lot of the time its not your fault
lofty widget
doesnt matter
toxic pewter
i just find pugs die a lot to the oozes
lofty widget
if they kill they should be behind the pillar
topaz field
and even if a person dies thats so worth
to not make 3 pulls there
u are back in 15 secs
toxic pewter
Yeah I think pulling all the oozes at once is the play
so dont have to repeat all the bs
sonic crag
If your group has a warlock, you would normally skip the named Dreadlord mini-boss cause it's a time sync. If you stealth/invis pot ahead you have to kill him no matter what.
distant crystal
why warlock?
tropic gorge
Portal hax
topaz field
u can d skip that pack also with only the tank dying
if u pull them into the corner everyone will get pass
distant crystal
but if you skip the named guy you don't need a warlock cause you gotta kill the last pack then?
or am i crazy
toxic pewter
I would prefer to always skip the last pack. Had too many keys deplete literally due to that pack. It’s a cursed pack
uneven mason
guys i have problem with tnaking horses on lwoer kara
What's the difficulty?
tropic gorge
guys i have problem with tnaking horses on lwoer kara
Don't be in front of them when they charge. Can't help dps not paying attention
distant crystal
ppl need to position away from other packs too
or horses will charge into the next room and pull the world
zealous willow
U can see where they charge its purple stuff on the ground u tank them on the wall and when they charge u just sidestep , u can always stun use use shout to red dmg if u cant dodge
its magic dmg too , u can use spell reflect to red 20% dmg too
prime kernel
sup guys. got a question. Is there any huge difference between 304 weapons that we can choose from when exchaning weapon token from CN (304ilvl) ? if i remember mace/axe/swords have different dps range , but does it scale with smth as prot ?
urban portal
the range doesnt matter
the only stat that matters is weapon dps
this number is the only one that matters
limpid pawn
defensively how much is 50 strength worth
chrome falcon
in what context
drifting juniper
What's the difficulty?
23 24
prime kernel
k so , basically we go for ilvl only (haste,vers if possible )
zealous willow
Is there any min versa that we need ?
urban portal
no
zealous willow
But we must have some right? I mean i have 11% atm
mortal brook
All stats do the thing
urban portal
vers is not a good return on investment defensively anyways
its not bad
but nothing amazing
zealous willow
I guess time to put my 304 haste/mastery belt and move unity to wrist
uneven mason
But we must have some right? I mean i have 11% atm
More stats > less stats (prot warrior stat priority)
limpid pawn
259 OWS vs 298 soleahs secret tech
zealous willow
guys the the big elite before medvih can it be skiped by potions or only with warlock?
south zealot
Is there any min versa that we need ?
more than 0
south zealot
guys the the big elite before medvih can it be skiped by potions or only with wa...
potions work
south zealot
yesh its a problem technically bc if u have 0 each vers point js very valuable
forest tulip
Is there a good youtuber or streamer that plays prot? or someone with the best guide?
uneven mason
cinder storm
guys the the big elite before medvih can it be skiped by potions or only with wa...
First week he charged someone who was close to medivh and it fell off the floor, some people have told me it resets of it gets pulled all the way to medivh
Just have a pot ready regardless
cinder storm
259 OWS vs 298 soleahs secret tech
Why not both
mighty valley
Can sim that one out, probably OWS, but also why not buy a better OWS
mighty valley
i play with a vdh, he doesn't kite much
edgy grail
or horses will charge into the next room and pull the world
horses charge the tanks tho
south zealot
no its a frontal on tank
bold turret
Can we solo shared suffering on horseman in lower? I keep getting told I’m trolling by needing to stack (23-25 keys)
lusty tiger
Yes on fort, Tyra need immune soaker
lament shell
Im still note sure if suffering is deflectable
chrome falcon
it's not
lament shell
Ok ty
I somehow survived suffering with just relfect today on 25
But heroic leaped the rest
bold turret
Do I need to SW or is SR DR fine?
bold turret
Can you just leap it really?
south zealot
on fort its a super easy soak theres almost no reason to risk dying to solo soak
fickle arrow
if you get hit with mortal strike?
Is this avoidable? Am I just dumb and get hit by that for no reason?
south zealot
Can you just leap it really?
he will try to recast it but yeah
south zealot
Is this avoidable? Am I just dumb and get hit by that for no reason?
if you leap out of it
or parry
bold turret
And intervene one after?
lament shell
Ah the parry 🩸
south zealot
tou can also intervene or lock gate
lusty tiger
Is mortal strike a cast?
bold turret
Cheers guys
fickle arrow
Is there a good lower route that plays to prot warriors strengths? Because I’m getting slapped by magic dmg in that place…
lusty tiger
Opera-> jump down in front of entrance-> horses -> go upstairs next to repair guy -> moroes -> maiden
south zealot
just be careful with spectral hound in the kitchen
other than that you should be fine
fickle arrow
just be careful with spectral hound in the kitchen
Why’s that?
lusty tiger
Is that what is upstairs from autummen, the kitchen?
south zealot
Why’s that?
it fucking hurts
fickle arrow
Lol fair enough
south zealot
alongside the curses and diseases in the kitchen
south zealot
Is that what is upstairs from autummen, the kitchen?
kind of
theres a ton of target dummy mobs above attumen
and after those u can go into kitchen
oblique garnet
@toxic pewter moved away from cheat to just back to ows/soleah
wintry nymph
i just found out how bad i am at keeping up banner
i should really just go on a dummy and try to keep it up i guess
fickle arrow
i just found out how bad i am at keeping up banner
Popping last stand when I pop banner was a big game changer for me.
mighty valley
LS on cd (so long as you haven't dropped banner)
gives you a really big duration buffer that should cover most minor downtime
lusty tiger
Yea if you’re ever going to do your rotation perfectly, do it when you have last stand up
chrome falcon
might try that
saying "might try that" to playing your rotation properly is a hopefully an understatement
LS gives you a huge amount of banner duration
it doubles your rage generation
wintry nymph
thing is
still new to prot
so rotation isn't muscle memory yet
so that also doesn't hwelp
help
chrome falcon
yeah you need to just go hit a dummy for an hour or so
lusty tiger
It’s like playing the piano, left hand no capping rage, right hand getting/hitting ss procs
wintry nymph
but ill change my answer to 'will try that' @chrome falcon ;)
chrome falcon
fickle arrow
My revenge damage should never be higher then my SS damage for overall correct? Pretty sure I’m hitting that button too much. But I’m always nervous about threat
chrome falcon
not even
it depends on key
workshop/upper SS is easily top
lower/grimrail revenge is probably top
mighty valley
it's really, really hard to be pressing revenge too much
chrome falcon
however
if you're on an SS proc
you need to SS
threat stops mattering after like 3 revenge casts
urban portal
My revenge damage should never be higher then my SS damage for overall correct? ...
they should be equal tbh
at most
SS should be more
cinder jackal
where's my best source of kit lists for gearing out a char fresh-ish to this season?
I would have said mplus.subcreation, but most common trinket is BSS and Codex....
chrome falcon
none of the gear matters apart from trinkets
and for trinkets you want 9.1 raid trinkets
if you need to take m+ trinkets go for grenade+soleah
but you really want 9.1 raid trinkets
other than that just get ilvl
fickle arrow
threat stops mattering after like 3 revenge casts
Are you tab targeting the slams? To keep threat cycled around? Or not super important?
chrome falcon
this isn't classic
urban portal
you could
lusty tiger
Lol
chrome falcon
2o r 3 revenges will lock threat on the entire pack forever
lusty tiger
If there is a stray mob that came in late ya
uneven mason
Are you tab targeting the slams? To keep threat cycled around? Or not super impo...
Slap revenge
mighty valley
there's usually a prio target but really threat is not this big of a deal after the first few GCDs'
chrome falcon
threat is not a mechanic in this game
fickle arrow
(Lol funny you say that… literally coming back after quitting at TBC 😅… lots to learn. Like did you know demo shout doesn’t suck now and you should use it all the time? Cause I didn’t until I actually read the tooltip and didn’t assume it was crap AP reduction)
cinder jackal
Thanks @chrome falcon
lusty tiger
Demo shout is still like -12% boss damage permanently in tbc
fickle arrow
Look… back Vanilla days. Our warriors still used shields and purples were supposedly better then blues… 😅 a lot changed. With the internet
chilly brook
(Lol funny you say that… literally coming back after quitting at TBC 😅… lots to...
You absolutely use demoralizing shout in tbc
fickle arrow
if you need to take m+ trinkets go for grenade+soleah
Normal dinar purchased OWS better then these? 30 LFR bosses isn’t unattainable for most.
chrome falcon
normal dinar RDM/OWS/aegis are better than almost any other trinket at mythic ilvl
fickle arrow
normal dinar RDM/OWS/aegis are better than almost any other trinket at mythic il...
And we should be running OWS/RDM ideally until a certain mythic level?
chrome falcon
yes
fickle arrow
At what point to you convert over? And what do you convert to it? Or is this situational? (Trying to push past the 22 ish level. All I do is mythics no raiding. So planning a path forward to higher keys)
mighty valley
i think it's better than any trinket that comes from m+ no matter what ilvl
probably just a sim question though
chrome falcon
At what point to you convert over? And what do you convert to it? Or is this sit...
I would drop RDM to aegis at maybe 26+
urban portal
or when pulls get large
chrome falcon
but i'm not pushing that high, i'm going for everything at 25
chrome falcon
oh easily
uneven mason
You absolutely use demoralizing shout in tbc
And in bfa
oblique garnet
I would drop RDM to aegis at maybe 26+
Dont think thats necessary either
red siren
What is the average CD of Shield Wall with anger management and conduit ?
red siren
Ok so we can use it for each pull
red siren
Okok i understand
tropic gorge
with the wall and AM you can get SW under 1m
buuuuuuuuuut. yeah
1599 m+ raiting after 1 week of 10 and above grinding. what the hell
urban portal
rating gets harder to obtain
the higher you go
the gap between 1500 and 2000 is smaller than the gap between 2000 and 2500
pallid quiver
i wager you mean larger
since it's harder to go from 2000 to 2500 than 1500 to 2000 from a sheer rating perspective
tropic gorge
im just shocked i'm already at 1500
er almost 1600. maybe i'm remembering wrong but it seems s1 and s2 took me longer to get raiting up
urban portal
well yeah im saying its easier to cross the gap
definitely misremembering
in S1 rating was exponential
now its linear
but in S2 its the same as now
exactly the same
tropic gorge
hmm
urban portal
you get pity points for doing affixes for some reason
so the first 1500 points is VERY easy to get
sick sentinel
im at 1599
mighty valley
s1 was just the hardest overall, the increase in tuning didn't keep up with the player increase in power
especially since a lot of people started in lower than raid gear
in s1 only
topaz blade
so I have a slightly stupid question relating to prot warrior in M+, why would you run reprisal over something like signet of tormented kings
sinful plover
Stronger defense and rage generation. Signet is for doing damage which isn’t tanks first priority.
If you’re over geared and running lower level content then whatever you want works. But when pushing hard content you want Reprisal.
topaz blade
awesome thanks for the information! I'm just starting to get back into prot warrior
mighty valley
honestly signet isn't even better for damage done
all about that rage economy
(on top of not dying due to high shield block uptime)
pallid quiver
so I have a slightly stupid question relating to prot warrior in M+, why would y...
The higher rage generation is normally more damage, anyhow, especially since iirc Signet can proc Bladestorm, which is just an instant cancel for Prot
ocean yoke
prot ravager also doesnt currently proc it so we just have avatar to use signet
mighty valley
would be fun to get more questions like this though
sinful plover
Signet + bonegrinder on prot warrior??? Maybe seismic verbiration + bonegrinder??
lusty tiger
dragon rawr
sinful plover
I feel like bonegrinder plus seismic can be fun with dragon roar
strong forum
Plays absolutely terrible
sinful plover
Yeah I imagine it’s clunky as hell lol
strong forum
Not to mention you're perma rage starved
Bonegrinder works, but it's just beyond clunky
cinder nova
Signet + bonegrinder on prot warrior??? Maybe seismic verbiration + bonegrinder?...
You can post easy 15k to 20k+ overall with rep/glory
pallid quiver
that requires you to find a pug group that doesn't manage to walk into frontals that are being aimed at them and then demand you wait for them or else they leave to get those numbers tho
pallid quiver
doesn't always help
i just keep moving on, anyway, half the time
depends on if the rest of the group immediately collapses afterwards or not
it's a pug, they can do what they want
lusty tiger
most of the time they can walk back or you can solo the next pack until rez is done
pallid quiver
yeah that's generally what i do
if they rage quit and leave that's a them problem
because that happens sometimes and i don't understand why
i don't care to understand why, either, though, so
lusty tiger
i have 4manned plenty of pug keys since i dont run too high ususally
coral marsh
Is the trash at the end of iron docks still untankable?
oblique garnet
No
coral marsh
still not worth it judging by the a little less canerous pack
but no need for double invis i guess
vernal vale
Gotta love sims and learning that gear swaps should be made lol
The important thing I learned is catalyst gives you lots of leeway to optimize your 4 pieces for the biggest upgrades lol
the pants i have from grimrail are better if i don't catalyst them according to sim
limpid pawn
is a 298 soleahs secret better than 259 ows
plush prism
anyone know which mythic has the best droprate for a pair of shoulders to catalyst? I just realized I'm running shitty fated heroic
toxic pewter
i think gambit drops shoulders iirc
oblique garnet
Gambit grimrail
coral marsh
kinda aids you have to save so much m+ loot because you could upgrade or catalyst it
coral marsh
not even for that
just in case you want to swap tier around or for offspec
hoarding everything
this is why gear upgrades suck
and titanforge is better
oblique garnet
Well not really
This system lets you farm whenever and by how much
Titanforging was basically the same except you relied on rng
And even if you got the max ilvl proc it didnt have a socket or leech or something else
sick sentinel
tough pickings trying to pug a 13 monday night lol
real fossil
Would you ever sacrifice any ilv for leech? Outside Jewelry
real fossil
304 vs 298 seems like the only potential comparison
coral marsh
titanforge was just play the game and make the best out of your gear
it was fun and caused variety
upgrading your bis is boring af
real fossil
Levels of Valor upgrade slightly below mythic content is the best gearing has been
Rose tinted titanforged goggles you got there
coral marsh
best gearing system was legion and start of bfa
oblique garnet
Titanforging just caused you to run the same dungeons for the same bis items but just praying to rng you got a good proc
coral marsh
na titanforge was just spam dungeons all week and be done within a month
no reason to touch boring af raids
no vault timegating
but ofc mythic raiders ruined it
oblique garnet
Preraid bis gear has existed since classic…
coral marsh
ye ik raiding is designed by nostalgia
oblique garnet
Huh
coral marsh
like playing on a schedule with friends every single week
thats such a boomer design
oblique garnet
Its an mmo
mighty valley
having friends is real psyc
oblique garnet
You dont have to be social to raid
coral marsh
thats all that raiding is
mighty valley
playing games with friends = boomer
coral marsh
farm first 3 bosses every single week
coral marsh
playing on a schedule simply isnt viable for current times
like
if they just changed the lockout for mythic raids to heroic lockouts
at least doing that
to not force people into guilds for no other reason
mighty valley
no one's forced into raiding
coral marsh
the problem is how the mythic lockout forces you into a guild if you want to raid
for literally no reason except the lockout
first 3 mythic bosses would be free to pug and all the shitters guilds that only farm the first 3 bosses would die within a patch
pallid musk
I came from a deaf guild who did mythic raid in S2
coral marsh
but of course the lockout forces people into guilds
oblique garnet
Git gud
pallid musk
And the part of that, you only need follow what your RL execpt from your class on boss and be wel prepared with stategy in mind
oblique garnet
Theres like 7-8 different mythic pugs that clear most of the raid in eu
coral marsh
its a cancerous system and you know it as well
it's just like it is to force people into guilds
shame
ocean yoke
it is and its good
pallid musk
Should be fun see if Sylvanas still annoy or easy on reset
mighty valley
sorry it's not designed primarily for sociopaths
oblique garnet
If its not motes maybe servers can handle it now
coral marsh
as i said, boomer mentality is holding wow back
pallid musk
Sylv required good team awareness on HC
coral marsh
guilds can exist, but forcing people into them is a joke
pallid quiver
is
is this guy okay?
ocean yoke
nah hes just found his new bit
oblique garnet
Again you are not forced to be part of any guild to raid
pallid quiver
yo i haven't been in a guild in, uh
when was pandaland?
and i've had literally zero trouble
so
pallid musk
MoP
oblique garnet
If you play on deadrealm sure
Then change it since you arent in a guild whats holding you back?
pallid musk
Dreanor here
coral marsh
i dont want to play on a schedule or leave my bank guild
sick sentinel
Dreanor here
home
coral marsh
like im not interested in a social experience
oblique garnet
Yeah thats a you problem then
coral marsh
i just want gameplay
pallid quiver
You problem, yeah
pallid quiver
if you don't want to play a social game, you don't get to play the social game
you don't even need a guild to pug, you just have to be social
pallid musk
I’m EU now
drifting fable
go play diablo or something, you can grind all day without people
pallid quiver
like a multiplayer role playing game is designed to be
pallid quiver
i can't handle this guy
cobalt seal
they are
pallid quiver
saying i literally don't exist over here
cobalt seal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
coral marsh
they aren't if you want to mythic raid
pallid musk
Played NA S2-S3to join full deaf guild since i’am deaf
oblique garnet
They are
pallid musk
And been a good experenice
drifting fable
you really want to mythic raid with a bunch of pugs every week? doesnt really sound pleasant tbh
cobalt seal
they aren't if you want to mythic raid
why do you need to raid mythic?
coral marsh
you literally clear the first boss, get lockout and now can't join another raid for second boss
all so the shitter guilds that clear the first 3 bosses for 5 months don't disband
ocean yoke
but youre in one already why join another
coral marsh
lul
coral marsh
?
oblique garnet
Played NA S2-S3to join full deaf guild since i’am deaf
Im curious how do you get call outs etc if you have to change something mid pull? Does your rl type or weakaura or
ocean yoke
"shitter guilds can farm it easily but i cant" isnt the best point
pallid quiver
Im curious how do you get call outs etc if you have to change something mid pull...
There's a post about it on Reddit somewhere, maybe Apo has it on hand, but
oblique garnet
There is no lockout in raid xd
coral marsh
sadly people get kicked while entering my raid as they are saved to another instance
cant make my own group 😦
cobalt seal
why?
oblique garnet
…
ocean yoke
you had a group when you got locked
cobalt seal
did you get muted?
ocean yoke
i know youre trolling but still
coral marsh
na i just made a group for 2nd boss
ocean yoke
consistency is key
coral marsh
and people did first already
cobalt seal
so what?
mighty valley
i wish someone out there would make games without other people in them. oh well, will never happen
coral marsh
or they don't want to lose the lockout for first boss for no reason
you know, designs
pallid musk
Im curious how do you get call outs etc if you have to change something mid pull...
We use senders with visual RW on screen and text communication. A few raider dosen’t even pay attention on chat when RL do callout but when the issue - we forced to find solutions
cobalt seal
or they don't want to lose the lockout for first boss for no reason
there are people that still target bosses for loot
shouldn't be hard to get people for 2nd
coral marsh
There aren't enough people for every single lockout.
oblique garnet
Huh
pallid musk
I were applying a few hearing guild but my application got declined due they require voice communation
ocean yoke
if only there was some kind of social organization you could set up that can provide a consistent roster for raiding. but alas
ocean yoke
standards have fallen bring back apb
ocean yoke
so - 259 ows or 298 soleas secret?
you might want to just sim those, its probably fairly close
pallid musk
So i wasnt happy with EU don’t have a mythic role that i can join for more progress learning curve
pallid quiver
so - 259 ows or 298 soleas secret?
iirc the haste from OWS is generally so overstacked that it's still better than Soleah's, but the question remains. Why not both?
i don't know the specific numbers on those ilvls so don't hold me to anything
oblique garnet
Do you mean because people cant enter your lockout because they have already killed the boss or they dont want to enter because they would miss out on first boss loot?
pallid musk
And now i returned to EU. Time zone with night raiding did mess up my sleep schedule
Still want mythic raiding so badly but thats life 
oblique garnet
cobalt seal
he was invited for keys
but he was late
he was actually invited while I was eating
limpid pawn
im actually using an alar 304 trinket
cobalt seal
oblique garnet
Nothing special just been doing random keys with no score hoping to get some keys where i could get it
Bricking every gambit on first pull 
People want to play one goliath in every key and then it escalates because they die
Honestly id rather just skip it
sick sentinel
Anybody got any Leech ?
pallid musk
I have gambrit issue with Zal’gamous pull there a Giant walk accoss the smaller area
oblique garnet
I have gambrit issue with Zal’gamous pull there a Giant walk accoss the smaller ...
You can pull it to the left to play it without worrying about runaways
cobalt seal
I honestly
pallid musk
One dungemon i find that is very forgiving to mess up would be Grimrail depost
cobalt seal
just dont pull that
pallid musk
You can pull it to the left to play it without worrying about runaways
Yeah, i Saw how Naowh did on MDI, won’t use his MDI route anyway lol
But he just taunt to left
oblique garnet
Ye
cobalt seal
it's not just taunt to left
it's mini boss with stupid mobs
that pull is pure chaos
pallid musk
Yes its pure pull is about succed or brick
oblique garnet
Today actually i had like one of the smoothest gd high key runs yet where we just held W and it escalated as soon as i let go of the gas for a moment
We were on track to 2 chest easily
The mayhem started legit because we had a incident where i just died to the fire on the end of the train
Then healer dies to ress me
Warlock dies to ress the healer
cobalt seal
The mayhem started legit because we had a incident where i just died to the fire...
that fire is a bit stupid
by a bit
I MEAN IT'S COMPLETELY STUPID
oblique garnet
Ye but i usually just go and pull the seer and infiltrator solo
Just decided to let go off the gas at that point and wait for team
Didnt do what id normally do 
pallid musk
Which m+ do you enjoy most in this S4 so far? Just asking
oblique garnet
Iron docks
pallid musk
I would say OM workshop/Gamrit
pallid musk
I dislike ID when its just en on team do 3 bullet shot for % lol
Otherwise its a perfect m+
Lower kara slight overtuned last week. Haven’t played this week yet
toxic pewter
I gotta be honest... I think my favorite is the... TRAIN grimrail depot
coral marsh
Do you mean because people cant enter your lockout because they have already kil...
both
pallid musk
Nice heard that is better now
Grimrail camera i agree that. Too much stuff around make hard to dodge
And lugguge/ boxes that prevent my movement
coral marsh
grimrail just has too much magic damage
pallid musk
Its fire / nature dmg
oblique garnet
pallid musk
Aviodable
coral marsh
i died there on a +19 double pulling
cobalt seal
is he talking after 1st boss?
pallid musk
Your frontal is just grenider fire cannon (can be stunned) to prevent
From Grimrail
Strom keeper (before last boss) you move
coral marsh
well before last boss is free because you can small pull
pallid musk
From ground, its nature dmg
pallid musk
Yep
cobalt seal
rest is whatever
you just need to pull 1 seer at a time
then you can pull everything
that really doesn't matter
oblique garnet
Yikes
cobalt seal
late if you are aroudn "today"
we might do keys at 7
before meyra comes/me goes to eat
oblique garnet
Ye will see when i wake up
warm wave
Yo! New to the guilt but been tanking for a LONG time
coral marsh
they should be optional
dawn canyon
codex lulw
cobalt seal
they should be optional
but they are
coral marsh
everywhere except mythic raiding yes
cobalt seal
same way you prob can't be top 0.1% pvp or m+ without grouping up
dawn canyon
carried by red
coral marsh
i played with and against more people there than in wow
cobalt seal
riot is developing a mmo
cobalt seal
i played with and against more people there than in wow
so overwatch is a mmo?
cobalt seal
Can we have apb back?
dawn canyon
i too enjoy league's gear progression
cobalt seal
pls?
coral marsh
point is
there should be puggable mythic raids
just like they are finally adding soloq for pvp
dawn canyon
mythic is inherently not meant to be pugged
dawn canyon
mythic will never be puggable
coral marsh
i wont buy the expac
dawn canyon
mighty valley
messaging blizzard to make that exact announcement now
coral marsh
then they wont have me
mighty valley
picking up my big red phone
cobalt seal
who cares
coral marsh
literally no reason to not give soloq glad
coral marsh
whats your point?
cobalt seal
whats your point
coral marsh
no one would group up for 3v3 then?
so another force it upon players?
so whats the reason then?
not giving soloq glad
mighty valley
human interaction is boomer design, we've already solved this debate gang
mighty valley
why would i ever look at asmongold
dawn canyon
get 2400 = "gladiator" as title
50 wins past 2400 = dragon
r1 cutoff = whatever gladiator title
coral marsh
im not against leaving 3v3 their own unique titles
dawn canyon
you get "soloist" stop being greedy
cobalt seal
so now all he has is goalposting
coral marsh
just give soloq their own unique titles
dawn canyon
you get "soloist" stop being greedy
!!
cobalt seal
it's a title
dawn canyon
soloful gladiator OMEGALUL
coral marsh
i mean there literally is no reason to not give soloq glad mounts and titles, making them different than 3v3 ones is fair
cobalt seal
THEY ALREADY HAVE A TITLE
dawn canyon
RBG players shitting and crying rn
coral marsh
i mean no one is forcing you into soloq
dawn canyon
i mean no one is forcing u into 3s
coral marsh
so?
dawn canyon
you could also just not go for dragon
cobalt seal
¯_(ツ)_/¯
coral marsh
i can already see 3v3 glads crying how they cant carry in soloq and miss out on soloq glad rewards
thats the best part xd
mighty valley
they're never gonna stop encouraging social play, you are fighting against the kind of game they've made
sorry
cobalt seal
than RBG
coral marsh
2v2 should get one as well
cobalt seal
:bearthumbsup:
coral marsh
its a joke to demand making groups for pvp in 2022
when every single other game has a queue
all the way to challenger
coral marsh
its just a colossal life waste
coral marsh
its shuffle so its fixed
mighty valley
colossal life waste to have friends
dawn canyon
soloq doesnt work for competetive rewards anyways since u can randomly get a dogshit comp
cobalt seal
shuffle literally fixes comp rng
coral marsh
and if 3v3 dies because soloq has glad rewards and is more popular
then 3v3 was meant to die
coral marsh
good so no reason to not have glad rewards in shuffle
cobalt seal
glad mounts are just time investments
coral marsh
All rewards, including rank 1 titles.
cobalt seal
No
coral marsh
yes
dawn canyon
he gets to say this because he has multiple 
cobalt seal
BRING BACK APB
coral marsh
you have rank 1 titles?
dawn canyon
if someone like mies can find a team for r1 push so can you
cobalt seal
coral marsh
then you have nothing to fear
coral marsh
just get two of them
coral marsh
Soloq needs to be treated like soloq in league.
cobalt seal
No
coral marsh
Main pvp game mode.
cobalt seal
dif games
dawn canyon
wow is not fucking league
coral marsh
3v3 is too much plagued by boosting, wintrading and stuff.
chrome falcon
i remember you having some other insane terrible take adrenalin
coral marsh
wintrading happened
chrome falcon
but i can't remember what it was
cobalt seal
gl boosting r1
you can
chrome falcon
OH you were the guy waiting for 2k io before you equipped tier/2nd legendary
dawn canyon
wintrading happened
they mass banned people again this ssn
chrome falcon
yeah i'm pretty sure this dude's brain is cooked
coral marsh
Soloq is the most competitive you can make it.
No social bullshit, just mechanical skill.
dawn canyon
take ur meds and log off
delicate kraken
they mass banned people again this ssn
Blizzard moderating their game
coral marsh
won't matter in the long run and leavers in soloq should get harsh bans
cobalt seal
lol
dawn canyon
Blizzard moderating their game <:copium:839076283467431956>
they also banned a bunch of players who didnt rmt 
dawn canyon
if you said ur r1 in league i wouldnt have ever argued with u
(since thats a sign of retardation)
delicate kraken
they also banned a bunch of players who didnt rmt <:ratge:890357732543168594>
By a automated system at that, Would kill them to hire some GM's
coral marsh
no
cobalt seal
dawn canyon
i love mies man 
cobalt seal
cobalt seal
we have a full pvp player
dawn canyon
adrenalin gg asked u a question earlier
cobalt seal
right here
dawn canyon
what xp are you in arenas
coral marsh
i dont bother with pvp because there isnt a soloq
cobalt seal
see
coral marsh
its not special
cobalt seal
i dont bother with pvp because there isnt a soloq
do you solo raids?
do you solo m+?