Sometimes it means you DONT need to IP at 80 rage
#protection
chrome falcon
woeful sphinx
it what scenario would you not hit IP at 80 rage?
chrome falcon
If I’m just spamming revenge?
I probably WOULD hit IP at 80
But don’t necessarily need to on that global
lofty widget
revenge is 20 rage, ss is 15, so even if you get resets on every revenge youre dropping rage
but if you have demo, avatar, outburst etc coming up you need to IP probably
woeful sphinx
Thanks. Hopefully I can stop wasting so much rage.
woeful sphinx
I was watching Tattman video and i don't think i ever saw him hit 70% rage
cobalt seal
where you have to decide what to do with your buttons
cobalt seal
I was watching Tattman video and i don't think i ever saw him hit 70% rage
dont watch him
might as well
watch nome vods
chrome falcon
If you never hit 70 rage as this class then you’re not playing it right
woeful sphinx
link for nome?
chrome falcon
Overcapping during LS is impossible to avoid
chrome falcon
(nome is nomeratur)
real fossil
how did they revamp the COS ring and then not even bring scaling to the kara neck proc?
the level of inconsistency
real fossil
flat 61 damage is p funny
median tulip
and buffing feral by like 2.3k
Yeah, we can't have Feral being good, that's just not allowed
cobalt seal
feral is good at what it's supposed to do
real fossil
attract furries?
ebon wren
hey kara question - lowers after opera, after dreadlord - you go down a ramp into a room with four packs. lots aoe. I get wrecked there, defensives up, guys melee'ing me for 10k through shield block, how the hell are you supposed to pull these packs? you always get two packs because of how close they are.
delicate iron
You can easily pull 1 pack at the time if you need to but you shouldn't have problems with 2 at the time as long as you have kicks / CC for the portals
sand egret
under the stage has uppercuts and firelands portals to deal with.
delicate iron
You can pull 1st pack back into corridor to ensure you don't pull extra pack
distant crystal
there's immunity tech in there
if you have a mage or hunter they can stack it all up for you
hunter just runs in w/ turtle and goes to a corner, everything will stack
mage tags things and blinks to a corner w/ block
then group comes in and starts mashing on the pile
w/ aoe stuns/silences/stops
pallid quiver
i just commit suicide after opera and go to moroes
like, all that trash just immediately after, in the hallways, back singers and ushers, yeah that ain't me
pallid quiver
you just put the mage or the hunter at the tail of the dragon, what do you mean?
That being said, I find it easiest in pugs to find a spot near the edge of the water Hooktail spawns at and plant her there at a diagonal, so she's not directly tail in water and facing group, but she's not likely to tail anyone. Then I just sit there until breath and then direct it at mobs, then return as close as possible to where I was standing
because at that point, if any DPS get hit, it's their own fault
chrome falcon
You just tank it in the corner so breath is giga easy to land
Then kite back until the first fire despawns
Then move it back
If you ever have to turn boss you just insta leap behind it so it flips 180
Boss is super easy
sand drum
so im trying to do gauntlet (boring AF I know but finding it problemst with first floors most of time) idk how to handle soul vitality ?
strong forum
Just gotta hard focus the dogs
If you can make it past first floor you'll be fine
Layer 8 floor 1 took me like 30min
south zealot
ik how to hit the adds and shit
i just get distracted and get hit by the breath a lot
strong forum
Idk what to tell you besides get the banner powers and pray you bet the cc immunity + leech early
And just hard focus dogs
hazy edge
leaving early to reroll powers is a good thing to do if you get shitty ones early on. saves you a lot of headache and time
distant crystal
does it reroll every time?
i know normal torg would keep giving you the same first power
unless you ascended a floor
hazy edge
original powers stay the same iirc. but later ones do change
pallid quiver
Then kite back until the first fire despawns
10/10 this as long as dps don't somehow walk into the tail
like god damn it's a straight line
balmy canyon
so im trying to do gauntlet (boring AF I know but finding it problemst with firs...
Gauntlet is super power dependant. Pretty much if you don't get the power that gives banner 50% leech and cc immune in the first floor leave, reset instances and go again. Yes powers reset each time you leave
lime urchin
What is this gauntlet you are talking about?
inner sable
eye of command worth messing around with?
chrome falcon
on literal pure single target raid encounters yeah it does ok
lime urchin
Jailer's Gauntlet. It's a very fun version of torghast
Oh I see, I’ll give it a try!
stable valve
on literal pure single target raid encounters yeah it does ok
fusion amplifier best ST parse trinket w/ OWS?
chrome falcon
if that's what the sim says
valid finch
can or should intervene & charge be macro'd together with harm/help commands.
valid finch
ok thanks will try to find it
sorry for the stupid questions but about to get my first Dinar Icy Veins says use on Shard of Annhylde's Aegis Wowhead says Old Warrior Soul, & the Q&A says gavel. So im wondering do i go with the biggest upgrade of the 3?
dawn canyon
not gavel for prot
hazy edge
I think you looked at the wrong spec for Q&A, but ows is probably the best default choice
aegis is pretty easy to get since it comes off a pretty early boss
valid finch
ok thanks
hazy edge
you could go for rdm if you want another defensive option, scars and fusion amp are good pure dps options, or you could go for a 311 weapon/shield
valid finch
my current trinkets at the moment are Reactive Defense Matrix and Pocket Protforge, but also have a Weave of Warped Fates in bags
hazy edge
I'd grab ows then and replace pocket with it
hazy edge
ows+rdm is a very good combo
valid finch
alright thanks for the advice & info
yeah i got lucky & got RDM from emissary a couple weeks ago
dire tulip
How strong is anger management versus bolstered? I feel like lining up last stand with banner better (making both 2 minutes), is better than faster avatars, but I don't have much raid experience with either
dawn canyon
its waaaaay worse
drastically lowering the amount of avatars you get off (remember its a DR and an outburst proc) isnt good
lofty widget
AM also puts SW at a 1-1.30 min cd
not to mention LS will always be up during banner if you play correctly
hazy edge
AM is insane with the amount of rage we generate right now
lofty widget
since you shouldnt be dropping banner
strong forum
you lose alot of rage gen if you dont play AM
because you dont get as many outbursts from avatar
dire tulip
How do you maintain a permanent banner? I can get at leat a minute and usually keep 65-80% banner, but I can't keep it uo 100%
strong forum
theres a video guide in the pins
but generally its just:
-abuse reprisal
-SS on CD
-dont overcap rage, press IP to prevent rage capping
-press revenge to get more SS resets and dump rage aswell
chrome falcon
How strong is anger management versus bolstered? I feel like lining up last stan...
avatar is an absolutely insane ability right now
it generates 75 rage, 30% damage increase, 10% DR
and the CD with AM is anything from 45ish seconds normally to 20 seconds if you have LS ready
lofty widget
having to hold avatar cause avatar is still up 
strong forum
having to hold avatar cuz youre inside LS and have an outburst proc, and youre close to getting the next one
lofty widget
honestly i find it difficult to fit avatar in during ls without overcapping
strong forum
yea
lofty widget
esp if rav is down
zinc shale
ive never died to dent armor in lower before
this pull i died twice
[09:48:48] Death Recap (Blizzard): [Dent Armor] 105K
what the hell
with lust, spamming IP and SB
dire tulip
Why do we take the 2% haste over ravager in raid?
hazy edge
ITF is more damage st than rav
rav starts winning out at around 3 targets
it's also easier to keep max stacks of ITF in raid than m+, as counterintuitive as that seems
dire tulip
Is revenge worth using over ingore pain if it isn't free? I think I may be using it too much and thT is why I can't banner as well
hazy edge
you spam revenge a ton
only use IP if you're going to overcap rage
(which is quite frequent tbh)
so like 70-75ish rage you whack IP
otherwise spam Revenge for SS resets
dire tulip
What should our haste be ?
I feel a disconnect between the constant banner vid and what I am doing and I am trying to figure out what it is
grave crane
anything over 25% i think feels good. do you have reprisal and are charge and interevene weaving?\
are you pressing shield slam on cooldown?\
lofty widget
logging a key is the easiest way for us to tell you
theres no magic haste % where 100 % banner is doable
mellow bridge
youre probably just not pressing enough buttons as dumb as it may sound to you
most people that cant keep up banner have too low cpm
or are overcapping rage
lofty widget
probably not
toxic pewter
I’m gonna try it
mellow bridge
nothing wrong with that depending on the dungeon
lofty widget
if i felt i needed aegis my other trinket would be whatever sims higher
toxic pewter
I guess I will lose a lot of haste though
dire tulip
How good is the block rating shield from sepulcher? It doesn't seem to add to block chance, but instead adds to block amount
hazy edge
it's meh, if it's an ilvl increase use it otherwise another shield with stats is better
pallid quiver
I feel a disconnect between the constant banner vid and what I am doing and I am...
I highly recommend just hitting a dummy and practicing. You can 100% keep 100% banner uptime even with like 17% haste, no problem. It's mostly about optimizing spending during Last Stand Windows and using charges/intervenes on CD as much as possible
Hell, it's possible to keep 100% uptime without intervene; it's just wasted SB uptime and rage
I'd recommend just practicing opening on the dummy with Banner > Last Stand > Avatar > Charge and going through the Last Stand window
You should be able to get to like 25s banner off just a raw opener like that
dire tulip
You macro all but charge together right?
pallid quiver
I personally have four keybinds; one for each alone and one with all bound together
You do not want to use LS while Banner's not up
If ot is up, on CD
It's best to have a pull macro I feel so opening is less messy than it is already, as during the charge you should probably SB and IP just to burn rage
I also recommend kinda just pressing IP at all points in time if LS is up during banner
Since even TC generates 45 rage
hazy edge
There's a great video in the pins going over how to keep banner up
dire tulip
I just watched it. I need to practice dummy I think.
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's mostly getting muscle memory down
south zealot
What should our haste be ?
as much as you can
onyx vessel
shield as well
south zealot
personally im at 40% unbuffed
onyx vessel
south zealot
fusion hacker too
onyx vessel
i use fusion hacker
south zealot
stun grenade
onyx vessel
does like 3% dmg
cinder nova
Get yourself an RDM
onyx vessel
he cant right now
oblique garnet
🙏 rdm next week
cinder nova
Can't wait
lofty widget
imagine not spending first dinar on rdm smh
onyx vessel
OWS?
cinder nova
Sorry I like DPS
onyx vessel
cinder nova
Ows slaps
onyx vessel
still OWS
lofty widget
rdm simmed higher for me idk
onyx vessel
just have both like me
cinder nova
Did you send it to 304b instantly?
onyx vessel
oblique garnet
Its fine hes beating every other prot warrior in dps 😦
strong forum
btw fun fact
oblique garnet
He knows what hes doing
lofty widget
i dont raid mythic
strong forum
you can reflect reactive defense matrix
lofty widget
stuck with 291
oblique garnet
F
cinder nova
you can reflect reactive defense matrix
???
strong forum
in a 5tank key, a vdh got MCd by the hypnosis bat, and i reflected his RDM proc back to him
onyx vessel
in a 5tank key, a vdh got MCd by the hypnosis bat, and i reflected his RDM proc ...
VDH got mced
strong forum
ofc its w/e
onyx vessel
what a shitter
strong forum
hence why its a fun fact
onyx vessel
cinder nova
Thought we were gonna see some shotgun parry ULTRAKILL tech
strong forum
nah, was a warcraft logs employee instead
toxic pewter
Lmao he got rdm’d
onyx vessel
probably did like 1k to him
toxic pewter
When defensive trinkets become self destructive
onyx vessel
strong forum
ya 946
cinder otter
is codex good for prot wars?
lofty widget
it's horrible
shadow haven
which one bros?
lofty widget
id take crit haste
cinder otter
id take crit haste
why not pure vers?
quiet plank
Is it still wise to macro Avatar to abilities ?
lofty widget
cause haste is better than vers
shadow haven
but vers is better than crit...
this complicates matter!
trashmaster also has leech
edgy grail
Vers has leech too
lofty widget
crit and vers are even, vers takes the edge in magic, crit is better against physical dmg
plus crit is more dmg
shadow haven
I knew this was a difficult decision!
sturdy sable
Its a cape
edgy grail
It’ll never be the difference in timing a ley
shadow haven
also does my gnome look like Joe Rogan or hwat
chrome falcon
ok!
dawn canyon
ok!
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel is depleto patrol sjeles team?
sick sentinel
playing druid bleehhhh
oblique garnet
They were constantly doing like 12hour prep sessions 
burnt out by the time they go to the actual tourney
nah think its excuse
just cant admit that played worse
dawn canyon
hopefully
oblique garnet
yeah the classic eu tilt
oblique garnet
idk
oh so echo is just gonna do 31 grimrail anyways LUL
ye
Might aswell finish with 32 lower
dawn canyon
lower is more time over
oblique garnet
Longest dungeon
winged sage
Im doing 20's and such, and I can't for the life of me get a new shield, still only a 278, how much would I feel in terms of pure survivability with a 298 shield? 😄 I'm just dreaming of a shield, 32 keys this week no shield yet (only keys where a shield can drop)
chrome falcon
shield's pretty massive
south zealot
monka pog
fickle locust
what kinda trinkets should we be running for keys?
rn i have stun grenade and toe knee's promise :/
lofty widget
what kinda trinkets should we be running for keys?
ows/rdm/aegis, soleahs from m+ is also alright
dawn canyon
https://www.twitch.tv/rupidk is soling m31 so'leah dk 😦
good class
fickle locust
ows/rdm/aegis, soleahs from m+ is also alright
ty
dawn canyon
he killed it
zealous willow
clever play , but dk is so op 😄
dawn canyon
nice little moment
dawn canyon
pwar woulda lived that 
had banner on mob and then execute
safe dirge
does the shield of junkyard is good in war prot or its just kinda useless ?
dawn canyon
not having stats on it kinda sucks
pallid quiver
Higher ilvl is good, otherwise it's rough, get one with stats
safe dirge
kk
pallid quiver
None of the shields without stats are better than one with stats of an equal ilvl, but ilvl is vastly important for block value
Which outweighs anybstats
safe dirge
what are the best trinket for overall content mostly in m+ ows + what ?
i know codex is pretty bad
pallid quiver
OWS overall for sure
In M+, RDM, Aegis if you need it. If you think you need it, you don't
mellow bridge
no
need to play it properly and take some dmg to break it
tank is pretty ez since you can just always taunt right at the end of the cast and get hit out of it by her
real fossil
no it doodoo w/o secondary stats
shadow haven
are all the items with these fun effects but no secondary stats just doodoo?
hazy edge
^
south zealot
and aoe damage isnt a big deal for tanks in general so avoidance has less value
hazy edge
bdk has some use for them because you can get very high parry chance, but outside of that semi-niche scenario they're not that good.
urban portal
are all the items with these fun effects but no secondary stats just doodoo?
depends on the tuning
gavel has no 2ndary stats
and its pretty decent
south zealot
pretty decent
saw a dk do legit 100k dps in jy on a 7-8 mob pack
obv its jy so not all dk dam
but a huge portion was gavel boon
south zealot
yeah its decent
chrome falcon
i think gavel is pretty close to the most broken item ever
chrome falcon
considering the effort required to get it at base ilvl is "clear LFR 3 weeks in a row"
south zealot
so /shrug
chrome falcon
obviously there are stronger items but they required weeks or even months of effort from an entire raid team
this shit just drops off the boss
dawn canyon
legendary
chrome falcon
gavel is just an item
agile pumice
i was kinda mad they made it unique equipped but after seeing it in action yeah it absolutely needed that
strong forum
I'd say gurthalak was the last known broken af item
dawn canyon
dude 298 gavel to 311 is fuckign 900 dps for me
chrome falcon
ok yeah
dawn canyon
I'd say gurthalak was the last known broken af item
what it do
chrome falcon
gurthalak was also straight fucked up
i mean it was similar to gavel
2h str weapon dropped off the last boss
did a shitzillion damage
south zealot
but u cant just buy it with dinars
mortal brook
Seed of creation letting me win 40v1s in ashran
south zealot
dawn canyon
but u cant just buy it with dinars
yep
lofty widget
joining the dark side
south zealot
lmaooo
south zealot
yeah just heart strike
lusty tiger
Zzz
mellow bridge
You do like 5 to 6 heartstrikes for every global you use on smth else
south zealot
the only thing i dont like about dk
mellow bridge
It's insanely spammy and boring
south zealot
is how many globals u have to use on pull
mellow bridge
The tierset just makes dk not a dk anymore
south zealot
theres like 12 things u have to press
mellow bridge
No rune/rp management
agile pumice
south zealot
LMAO
beieve it or not
the dk main in my guild said blood is gonna be op
if people know how to play
lusty tiger
So it’s being switched to cdr?
vestal garnet
Hello, I'm slowly getting into 27s keys and I'm always really disappointed when I see my damage. I know I waste probably a lot of set bonus buffs on thunder clap (sadly I'm still used to have thunder clap as prio with shield slam) but I don't think that would make a that big difference. Is here anyone who can check my logs and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Thanks.
This is the only log I was able to upload successfully.
strong forum
You're using IP way too little, which comes from low rage gen
Which hurts your rage feedback loop
And youre not making enough use out of reprisal, you're barely intervening and charging
You've only generated 22k rage in 32min when it should be closer to 31k rage generated
Your banner uptime is abysmally low, it should be close to 80-90% yours is only 40%
You should really try on a target dummy to keep up Banner for 3+ min
Having high banner uptime is absolutely vital
vestal garnet
Oh boy
south zealot
using booming voice really helps banner
analog moth
There are a lot of top prots that are using Codex, if it's dead, why would we get rid of it and they use it? (Yes, I know their keys are much higher than ours)
lofty widget
poor play makes it look better than it is
north anchor
no one is using anymore really mate people at top used it until they got a better trinket
cobalt seal
Charge/interv also low casts for a streets
north anchor
not really much options for tank trinket in m+
vestal garnet
getting aegis/ows next week
south zealot
ah do u just parry too much
vestal garnet
Try to farm a soleahs/ows asap
Oh i have it, so that is the way for me for now before I get aegis and ows?
strong forum
Yeah
strong forum
ah do u just parry too much
The loss of str just isn't worth it for DK
lofty widget
no rdm? 😦
strong forum
Codex only works on physical dmg
And uh, armor is just alot better for that than an rng proc
lofty widget
at what mob count is tc better? (purely for dmg)
south zealot
i think 5?
lofty widget
i got 6+ in my head
strong forum
6+
south zealot
damn i was close
strong forum
🙂
cobalt seal
but not that bad
I wonder why every tank discord has a pin for it
strong forum
Notice how codex only says "attack"?
cobalt seal
south zealot
i cant read
i told someone on reddit it sucks
and he saiddont talk to me until youre rank 1 prot in the world
prot pala*
urban portal
Codex only works on physical dmg
BIS vs pre nerf throw
strong forum
Just blindly stacking vers, and blindly equipping codex, despite it only working on "attacks"
But they wouldn't know
north anchor
leech = bis
cobalt seal
Logs=Shit
strong forum
He doesn't read logs
south zealot
north anchor
for me indestructible = bis
lofty widget
eyo did someone mention leech?
strong forum
And also, codex procs after absorbs
So if you absorb an attack for 90% of its dmg, well you mitigate the remaining 10% by 1%
And if you fully absorb, codex does nothing
🙂
But hey, the ehp!! It makes me feel tanky
chrome falcon
haste
north anchor
for high keys specifically u have a shit loads of haste at the end of the dungeon + ows its not really needed to stack full haste
strong forum
The point is not that, the point is that people heavily overvalue vers
To the point of sacrificing other stats for vers
south zealot
i used to do that
strong forum
It's a good to have thing
cobalt seal
for high keys specifically u have a shit loads of haste at the end of the dungeo...
what's the hard part of s4 keys
the start or the end?
why would you gear for 10%
when you are OP
instead of gearing for 90%
when you are "weak"
north anchor
not like i have 0 haste bro
cobalt seal
point stands
north anchor
and also ur point of what part of the key is hard is completely key dependant
south zealot
eh its almost always the start
urban portal
the only key where its harder at the end is mists
south zealot
workshop is probably harder at the end
urban portal
when you are pulling 12-13
broken crater
for high keys specifically u have a shit loads of haste at the end of the dungeo...
:pepeph
oh right, skyhold
broken crater
id like to :pepeh my :pepeph
cobalt seal
last trash pack you pull and the last 2 bosses are pretty hard
and you at 80% haste
chrome falcon
i have more leech than vers
south zealot
and you at 80% haste
yes but the first part of the dungeon is super super free
cobalt seal
or you?
south zealot
the rest of party
broken crater
i have more leech than vers
give me your luck
dawn canyon
:KEOSOO
strong forum
the rest of party
So it's not really a story of you gearing for it and smth you have no control over
south zealot
true
broken crater
@blazing dune do you mind changing my name here to Xepheris (sorry for ping :P)
south zealot
id never switch gear off what i have
strong forum
<@154169716783579146> do you mind changing my name here to Xepheris (sorry for p...
Any mod can do that
blazing dune
<@154169716783579146> do you mind changing my name here to Xepheris (sorry for p...
Done
broken crater
ye but vel is not any mod ❤️
south zealot
i just go all haste and pickup some haste/vers pieces when i can
broken crater
ty
south zealot
i have some crit
broken crater
hey WCL admin can u please make my parse pink
a pink 9 would only confuse people
south zealot
hazy edge
blazing dune
Just learn to play lol
strong forum
if i had wft its 99 <:copium:839076283467431956>
cobalt seal
I see no prob in those stats
dawn canyon
<:copium:839076283467431956>
arms parse *
south zealot
yeah its a pretty nice balance. about 500 crit stat and like 430 vers and mastery
blazing dune
toxic admin
To be fair if they knew how to play they probably wouldnt be in a class discord
south zealot
outplayed
dawn canyon
To be fair if they knew how to play they probably wouldnt be in a class discord
i will complain to mods 
broken crater
while that may be true for havoc some places there are exceptions
strong forum
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
lofty widget
wrong
broken crater
for high keys specifically u have a shit loads of haste at the end of the dungeo...
im not gonna say listen to what the majority of ppl play but lets say theres a strong preference here
south zealot
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like
not even hitting 40% haste
dawn canyon
im not gonna say listen to what the majority of ppl play but lets say theres a s...
who picks mastery
wtf
strong forum
Crit is more dam 
broken crater
5.63% of prot warriors
lofty widget
wait no one picks crit?
broken crater
only @cobalt seal plays crit
north anchor
but who are these warriors? is it looking at like top 1% or everyone?
broken crater
but who are these warriors? is it looking at like top 1% or everyone?
top 100 logs per dungeon
strong forum
I see exactly 16.12% of prots who picked poorly
north anchor
ok and is this just who picks haste at the start?
broken crater
ok and is this just who picks haste at the start?
im lost on the question tbh
its not like you can change later once you gained a stack
so uh yes i suppose?
strong forum
You can't pick a different stat later on so uh yes
north anchor
ok
south zealot
i love having upwards of 90% haste
lilac bloom
when us protedction warrior go to do mythic keys.. do u choose vers or haste
south zealot
haste
strong forum
Haste
broken crater
lol
south zealot
in every situation no matter what
north anchor
i never would pick anything but haste btw i never said that dunno if it came across that way, i was more speaking about gearing towards verse a little more and other stats because you pick haste at the start
lofty widget
well since affix is % haste it gets better the more baseline you have
south zealot
i wouldnt gear towards vers personally bc haste is survivability
strong forum
I get that, but it's still not true
lilac bloom
ok always choose vers
edgy grail
top 100 logs per dungeon
Those seems like oddly specific numbers for top 100 runs
south zealot
chrome falcon
for each dungeon of which there are 8
edgy grail
Ahh for all 8 gotcha
oblique garnet
Huh never pick vers
strong forum
He's obv baiting
broken crater
yea
north anchor
ok guys u got me i pick verse at the start
broken crater
:bigbrain:
strong forum
urban portal
not picking>picking vers
broken crater
ah comeon
edgy grail
I thought it was just counting me as .88 because I suck 
lofty widget
honestly give us the option to change the default pick
broken crater
yea the lower the log in rank is the less its weighted as relevant choice /s
broken crater
honestly give us the option to change the default pick
autopicker wa?
strong forum
I thought it was just counting me as .88 because I suck <:peepostudy:61725955453...
Be the .88 you want to see in the world
broken crater
its kinda a setup and forgetti situation already
broken crater
Be the .88 you want to see in the world
and that from a german, wew
chrome falcon
that WA was so obviously a good idea that it was out at the same time as the patch so
dawn canyon
and that from a german, wew
strong forum
I've not handpicked a stat in 3 weeks
chrome falcon
idk why blizz didn't think to give the NPC extra options that say "haste until i tell you otherwise thanks bud"
lofty widget
yea that
chrome falcon
or just make haste the auto-pick option
lofty widget
dont wanna talk to some guy every dungeon i do
chrome falcon
since like 70%+ of classes are taking it
strong forum
Cuz multiplicative haste owns
It's so obv for anyone who has a smidge of an idea how insane the haste% is
south zealot
there are like 7 specst that dont choose haste
lofty widget
resto sham?
broken crater
mm, resto sometimes, brew, ww, mw, prot pally, arcane, sub, assa sometimes, frost dk, unholy dk
south zealot
thought fdk was crit
south zealot
unironically?
south zealot
:chatting:
chrome falcon
any chatters
strong forum
Surviving 1shits
toxic pewter
So when reactive defense matrix triggers and buff is present, does it reflect all damage back to any enemy that attacks you during that time until the total amount possible on trinket tooltip is reflected or the buff expires?
broken crater
So when reactive defense matrix triggers and buff is present, does it reflect al...
its an absorb like any other which has a value. damage that reduces the absorb is reflected on whoever damages you. once the absorb is gone, its damage is gone and the buff fades
toxic pewter
its an absorb like any other which has a value. damage that reduces the absorb i...
Ok thank you for your answer
broken crater
Ok thank you for your answer
codex works like you described however
for as long as its up, it reflects 10%
toxic pewter
Gotcha
broken crater
im not gonna say listen to what the majority of ppl play but lets say theres a s...
picture is only getting more clear
also theres your crit picker i suppose
torn gust
hmmm
north anchor
again i never said pick anything but haste
broken crater
idk just came back to update 🙂
edgy grail
can i dodge block and parry when channeling fleshcraft?
north anchor
yes
edgy grail
tyvm
sand drum
bit "meh" about what to pick next week :/ RDM or Shard 😛
RDM = dmg and Shard for tank m+ ?
broken crater
shard is also dmg but necessarily less than rdm
but shard is significantly stronger
rdm are just drops here and there, nothing you can rely on
while shard is another defensive
chrome falcon
^ this is kinda wrong
if you're not doing 25+ you literally do not need shard at all
broken crater
also normal rdm is a bit underwhelming sadly
sand drum
while shard is another defensive
I alrdy block all dmg ? does it work on magic aswel ?
chrome falcon
RDM is nuts
yes shard works on magic
but what magic damage as you taking
that is killing you
sand drum
also normal rdm is a bit underwhelming sadly
who said I would take normal RDM :C
broken crater
is it this much diff to other tanks? 🤔 hmm
chrome falcon
(yes medivh exists and is an obvious exception to the rule)
yes
prot warrior takes no damage from anything
broken crater
I alrdy block all dmg ? does it work on magic aswel ?
works on literally everything
edgy grail
just loot shard
chrome falcon
i've been pugging scuffed 25s and have never felt like i needed shard
meanwhile RDM can be 1k+ dps
edgy grail
yea but you are good at the game 😛
lofty widget
is yours mythic matta?
sand drum
just loot shard
did all 4 diffs first week SoD was around 0 drops :C even asked raiders to loot it :C
edgy grail
I dont think its a bad idea to have an extra defensive while you learn
sand drum
I dont think its a bad idea to have an extra defensive while you learn
just yell for externals if I fk up or blame heal ;>
chrome falcon
think sense said it was 1.2k in the highest ID he did during TGP
lofty widget
chrome falcon
I dont think its a bad idea to have an extra defensive while you learn
it kinda is imo you're just getting used to something you don't need
it's like wearing a cheat death trinket
broken crater
is 900 dps for me on vdh (heroic rdm)
sand drum
it's like wearing a cheat death trinket
playing with Splinterd just cus im lazy af and feel like mecha bike is "meh" in dps :C
chrome falcon
both of those trinkets are terrible
broken crater
well at least mecha bike does dam in comparison to alar
lofty widget
mecha at least looks dope
chrome falcon
^
sand drum
both of those trinkets are terrible
what should I have for now then :C ?
broken crater
which is a bad mainstat stick until it procs when it just kills your grp xd
sand drum
^ true
chrome falcon
dinar stuff
OWS RDM
i wear splintered heart when i do upper for medivh
because i can't ask for kicks on missiles
chrome falcon
i only pug atm so
i can't ask for kicks on missiles
and i have to hold my kick for frostbite half the time
north anchor
u never kick missiles anyways
sand drum
think I pick RDM if its not droping on thursday when guild raids :C
chrome falcon
^
north anchor
hmm
chrome falcon
have fun face tanking missiles without SW on 25+ tyr
lofty widget
but if im ever running upper in a pug im getting shammy heal+triple melee
north anchor
literally done that but ok
chrome falcon
and was it fun?
north anchor
was fine u just full bar of rage for IP defensives for each one and spell relfecting the last tick
sand drum
sounds like cap in my ears 😛 ^
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno that shit does like 150% of our health bar
probably more
so yeah a bunch of IPs will let you live it if the healer is awake
but i'd rather just kick
north anchor
unless u have resto sham u will just run out of kicks for other shit without good rng
i also play the shield wall lego in there so that isnt for me either
lofty widget
swap after medivh
north anchor
why its good for mana wyrm too
chrome falcon
what do you need reprisal for?
north anchor
reprisal is shit in upper
sand drum
btw Matta leech over avoidance ? think I asked nom about this like 2 nights or so ?
chrome falcon
you don't need the SB uptime for little wyrms and you can't reprisal on the big wyrm
cobalt seal
@broken crater HC RDM doing 400-600 dps for pwar
shut summit
yea save port to get there, kill medivh > use port to outside > zone in when they at books
sand drum
🙇♂️ Sense 👋
lofty widget
what do you need reprisal for?
more dmg?
chrome falcon
it's not that much more damage and you might get an extra wall on big wyrm
but if you don't get the extra wall then it's basically the same
lofty widget
well i would only play rep until after medivh
north anchor
if u dont have alot of immunes the wall for team is insane on wyrm
shut summit
i got 3? 4? walls on wyrm 27, was worth
lofty widget
yeah
chrome falcon
oh right yeah ofc
i was thought you were saying swap to wall before medivh then back to rep after medivh
but that's obviously impossible
so yeah ok we agree
lofty widget
sick sentinel
hey i have a question so when i do LS + Rally + sigil and when i swap the trinket
fleshcraft falls off
am i doing something wrong?
chrome falcon
well yeah
the sigil fleshcraft is gonna go away when you unequip sigil
just press regular fleshcraft
sick sentinel
so i fleshcraft again after using sigil?
chrome falcon
yup
sick sentinel
do i uneqiup it after the key starts or does it not matter
chrome falcon
you can't unequip anything after the key starts
i don't even bother with the sigil part
too much extra effort
just LS+rally+FC
it's only a difference of a few thousands
sick sentinel
yeah its like 130 vs 110 for me or somethign
sick sentinel
yeah
mighty valley
hmm, the game client doesn't hold up great sometimes at 110% haste
edgy grail
The game is fine
I play with over 200% constantly on my warlock
Could be like lag on your end
oblique garnet
@shut summit how do you live the staircase elites with bleed do you just pull one by one or?
You had a shaman healer or was i misremembering?
hazy edge
Not really no
mighty valley
have you spent a dinar yet?
queen hemlock
yea on a gavel trying to kit my prot now
mighty valley
ah
ebon wren
OWS trinket - how soon does the haste buff wear off out of combat?
hazy edge
15 sec grace period
limpid pawn
mechagon rings all the way? or the 10% damage reduction ring?
hazy edge
Mechagon rings all the way
urban portal
is heart of al'ar worth making heroic?
if you have extra dinar then maybe
but you want the fatescribe trinket instead
mighty valley
urban portal
matt has a smooth voice
is that what living in europe is like
always listening to sexy accents
plush prism
thanks bud!
simple agate
would having 34% haste and 20 vers or 26 haste and 26 vers be better for m+
urban portal
ilvl
hazy edge
then 
queen hemlock
ah alright thanks
got quite irritated of pugging heroic sire for 12 hours and thought maybe i needed to farm normal as well for trinks to upgrade
mighty valley
all the good trinkets are in sanctum
plush prism
got quite irritated of pugging heroic sire for 12 hours and thought maybe i need...
is fated heroic sire harder than fated heroic jailer? i did jailer last week and it took our group like 3 tries, was waiting to do sire this week but I guess maybe I should get a move on lol
queen hemlock
wow holy shit
jailer is suppose to be harder due to the fated mech not being very balanced
sire is suppose to be very easy but people dont do mechs eat blades dont soak orbs etc etc
mighty valley
the fated affix did add a lot of complication to denathrius
lots of really awkward soak timings and positionings
but they nerfed that a lot
queen hemlock
ye, but personally id day jailer is horrid
mighty valley
plus denathrius has hold dps moments which is always hard for pugs
plush prism
but they nerfed that a lot
when did they nerf that?
mighty valley
jailer is so massively nerfed now
mighty valley
queen stag
Just got this precious thing, more tank dps ahoy
Is it worth giving up 2ndary stats for that equip effect?
hazy edge
you can sim it to find out
queen stag
I mean for tanking in general, not dps
hazy edge
usually a stated weapon will pull ahead of fusion hacker in aoe
but it should pull ahead slightly in st
queen stag
Aight I'll sim that on aoe and ST. worst case, it sits in my inventory until I raid
echo egret
Storming + flame wreath
Bad design or is there a trick to avoid it ?
balmy canyon
Don't be in melee with flame wreath. Once they go out tank should move boss away so storms can't soawn on the rooted ppl
queen stag
Don't be in melee with flame wreath. Once they go out tank should move boss away...
In other words, bad design. Melee dps can go make coffee while the tank pulls boss away. Flame Wreath lasts a really long time, and if melee dps are affected by it, it's pretty much screwing them
queen stag
Fair, but one wrong step and you're knocked into fire circle xD
edgy grail
Don’t fuck up
echo egret
What if the tank is affected ?
And it just looks like poor (none) planning when designing season4, just like explosives and defeated mobs, or quaking and the gronn knockback.
fickle arrow
is LFR dinar OWS better then 298 trinkets we have access to?
echo egret
is LFR dinar OWS better then 298 trinkets we have access to?
Dinar items are bought at normal fated raid level.
fickle arrow
oooo cool! is that better? haha
hazy edge
most likely. you can sim it to really tell
icy garden
opal dune
Hey, Is salvaged mekacycle shield from mechagon farm worthy?
opal dune
aight ty
blazing condor
hazy edge
blazing condor
drowsy ruin
jagged pier
Last tick
wide charm
Why do most warrior i watch have such a lot of crit, low vers and not that high haste ?
aren't we supposed to play a lot of haste ?
strong forum
Define high haste
Cuz reality is, high ilvl is what matters is most, high haste is good, rest doesn't matter really
wide charm
not more than 40
strong forum
Ilvl > haste> vers >=crit > mastery
I mean more than 40 is decently hard to get unless you make it your goal
strong forum
I myself only have 32% haste
But I actively go for a good chunk of crit and a tiny bit of vers cuz it's just more dmg
strong forum
That comes from playing well, not from stats
And with Ows and mechagon ring proc I'm well over 43% haste so I opt to get a bit more crit and thus parry
Don't think too hard about it, I just sim for dmg and pick whatever it throws up
wide charm
oh ok
strong forum
For example I have the kara neck with socket, big haste/vers, but I'd lose over 5% crit so it's not even a dmg gain for me rn
wide charm
and it is normal i sometimes get gobsmacked in 18-19 with 280 ilvl ?
strong forum
Yes and no, there are alot of factors going into that
Group coordination being the biggest one
CD misusage, bad pulls, missed kicks, lazy reprisal usage
Bad dps
Bad healer
And so on and so on
wide charm
Oh and how do you get to charge a pack when you cant slow them, don't have charge or intervene
i never manage to get far enough fast enough
dusky sentinel
All practice my friend. I loved the road to mastering chargeweaving and banner uptime. I mean. Still bad, but the satisfication is still there
robust quiver
It's the second time i can't see the notes in Streets during the bar boss event, someone else having this bug?
sick sentinel
i have this too
i know exactly what hes talking about and its either like a 1 graphics setting issue or bug
cuz it happened on my mage just last night or day before
i think you can still do the music stuff you just cant seeit right now some reason
robust quiver
idk it happens only on my warrior
didn't change any settings
projected textures is on
i tried to soak the ones during the boss fight
using the horn when he grips you in
by memory with the timings
sick sentinel
happened to my mage picking horn that makes triangle shape on ground
robust quiver
didn't give me stacks either so idk
ye btw this is with the horn, i always take that
sick sentinel
the only other intsrument i do on that fight is the line dash
never do drums personally
mellow bridge
pretty sure it has smth to do with being infight when you pick up the instrument or the event starts
only happened to me after i pulled the infiltrator that is standing there and then went to pick up the instrument
now i just pull him delayed and it's gucchi
strong forum
never had that issue and we always pulled like 2-5 mobs into oasis this season
one time we had 3 infiltrators in there whilst picking up instruments
sick sentinel
i (very probably) have video of it
so, i better not hear shit about "its not real"
sweet girder
its a new bug from some hotfix
had it also a few days ago
druid didnt have it
so its probably horn related, they jhust broke something
sick sentinel
is like if there is my boomer neighbour trying to tell me that "i have to be scared of computer viruses on windows cuz of something about the registry, and i can make a file and put it on your computer evreytime the computer starts it says "you are an idiot" and reboots and you can not remove it!"
paraphrasing, but yes really
like, that'd be a nice parlor trick in 1985-2005
strong forum
so, i better not hear shit about "its not real"
its very much real, just hard to replicate it does or doesnt happen
orchid mural
I have had that bug as well, at least twice now.
orchid mural
any thoughts on these?
lament shell
best item ever
queen hemlock
Am told the loss pf secondary stats is never worth anything it offers
Better to keep it for stat stic
sick sentinel
find some other bracers if you can, i think? im pretty sure they are regarded as bad because no stats
lofty widget
any thoughts on these?
the effect is largely useless, put them in creation catalyst to turn them into crit/haste instead
drifting socket
Thoughts on this shield, think I saw someone say it was hot trash but it did about 500k healing in a +18 junk
robust quiver
only happened to me after i pulled the infiltrator that is standing there and th...
that could be it tbh, now that i think of it the only thing that changed is i pull the infiltrator in the event room before i pick the horn. I'll try to do the opposite
robust quiver
why though, I lose 30-40 secondary stat but gain 350-500 hps
because people usually value dps over survivability, i think it's an ok defensive shield
dawn canyon
Those 350 hps would generally not be what saves you
drifting socket
because people usually value dps over survivability, i think it's an ok defensiv...
ah I see, okay thanks, it's my highest for now so will keep using it
dawn canyon
killing mobs faster has a higher defensive benefit imo
robust quiver
Those 350 hps would generally not be what saves you
that's for sure but it helps defensively nonetheless (not that is needed)
sick sentinel
killing mobs faster has a higher defensive benefit imo
in mythic + or raid that means anything thats kind really the only metric that matters at all
robust quiver
i have it too and at the end of the key it heals almost the same amount as the animum conduit
sick sentinel
how much dmg u taken vs did and have to do
robust quiver
not great, not terribad per se
mellow bridge
that could be it tbh, now that i think of it the only thing that changed is i pu...
im pretty sure the trigger to bug it out is combat
but it doesnt happen always/consistently
super weird stuff
robust quiver
but it doesnt happen always/consistently
ye, exp previous seasons i've pulled shit into the event and it never bugged
mellow bridge
last season whenever i pulled mobs from the minigame before that to the instruments
it bugged out like every 3rd or 4th time for me
so i stopped doing it
meanwhile for other people it never happened
robust quiver
ye early in season 3 it was a shit storm