protection

[strong forum]

here its both

[south zealot]

jy upper lower gambjt

upper is so free

[tropic gorge]

The flame tounge really, really messes me up. I'll eventually get good and get the hang of it. But holy shit it's brutal

[south zealot]

gotta gtfo

you will get oneshot

[tropic gorge]

I messed up a pull on the 2nd train (I think. The one with multiple packs in it), had ls and shout running and got melted

Ya, I didn't. And paid the price lol

The damn tornadoes make those packs rough on me

[zinc shale]

I love ranged sleeping right behind the sleepfield

then intervening them in a sticky situation

[south zealot]

frost dk

naguura just cut him tf off wtf

[real fossil]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/reviewing-how-jeweled-signet-of-melandrus-works-ring-increasing-ability-damage-328546
Would this matter for us or is the mechagon set just too strong

tldr it is a modifier to anything not just aa damage

[sweet summit]

you can sim it with nightly

raidbots is updated

[real fossil]

oh swag

[urban portal]

its abusrdly op

doesnt give much defensive benefit outside of a bigger ip

[lusty tiger]

Getting paid the big bucks to watch EU tgp at work

[minor helm]

[south zealot]

same kekw

[shadow haven]

why are there so many trinkets missing in the wowhead gear guide?

[sick sentinel]

"if you ain't first yer last"

[sweet summit]

wdym

[sick sentinel]

thats the actual TLDR

[sweet summit]

the notable ones are there

[urban portal]

theres like 3 good trinkets

in the entire game

everything else is hot garbage

[sick sentinel]

and thus my point has been proven instantly

[shadow haven]

For example only castle denathria trinket there is dreadfire vessel

[ocean yoke]

[sweet summit]

stone legion heraldry is there

[urban portal]

is alar on there

[minor helm]

Yeah why isn’t codex in the wowhead guide

[sick sentinel]

S P O R E P O D S

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

bis for all tanks

[shadow haven]

al ar is not there

[sick sentinel]

cuz it heals u

[sweet summit]

al'ar is not there, but warped fates is there

they do the exact same thing

except the damage part from al'ar

[uneven mason]

Randomly wasting the rogues cheat death is why al'ar is bis

[sick sentinel]

im a mechagnome fire mage NF

so i have 17 different cheat deaths

[urban portal]

are you running alar

[sick sentinel]

nahh i think its not for int

[urban portal]

can still run it

[sick sentinel]

i'd have to get someone to trade it to me

[shadow haven]

memory of past sins, gluttonous spike, bargast leash, skulkers wing, sanguine vintage, all so trash they arent even worth mentioning? oh my

[sweet summit]

it's most likely just to save time/space

the list would be extremely long if every possible trinket was noted

and the ones you mentioned are not amazing, they're mid at best

[shadow haven]

I WANT THE LONGEST!

[minor helm]

Guides not just written for you

[sick sentinel]

You are more than welcome to choose another if you want, which is something i do too, fall into bad gear traps, but it is the wrong choice

[shadow haven]

choose another guide?

[sweet summit]

huh?

[sick sentinel]

Any of the trinkets (or gear i suppose) are going to be pretty much in the top 3, top 5

[zinc shale]

ahh

[sick sentinel]

they are the best dps increase in the most scenarios, or do something special (pre nerf scale)

[zinc shale]

just had a 24 iron docks with aw hunter firing a wheel randomly

missing shitloads of mobs

and bitching when im telling him, its my fucking job to line the mobs

"HURR DURR THE MOBS WERE LINED DURR"

[south zealot]

happened to me on a 24 too

still timed jt somehow

[sick sentinel]

is the wheel a garunteed 1 shot as long as you tag the hit boxes?

[south zealot]

first iron star hit maybe 5 enemies

[zinc shale]

yes no need to tag though

But you do need to line the mobs so you do not miss

In higher keys this part is cruical as fuck

[sick sentinel]

i just mean that both hit boxes have to collide

i never go in those things

incase i fuck it up

[lusty tiger]

I had a iron docks where I messed up lining the first pack and my party members actually waited/healed me to get the the second star and it all went well

[zinc shale]

yeah this part you have to really get right

so might as well use a few extra seconds

[lusty tiger]

Need to be like 51% when done with the stars I think

If you skip nothing after

[zinc shale]

Well you should skip later

the packs are fucking aids to the 3rd boss

[sick sentinel]

am assimilated to mage now, so i just go where the tank and healer goes

[lusty tiger]

Skips with pugs always go horribly for me

[sick sentinel]

wait for people to yell at me to hit lust

[south zealot]

i think those packs are easy

but that could be just a tank thing

think forest area is harder

[lusty tiger]

The ones after the stars? Yea super ez

[zinc shale]

Buut not only did this hunter cry about that part, but he also somehow got it in his head that the keyholder was doing bad dps:
(hunter was the whining bitch)

[south zealot]

especially with how easy it is to kill the bird with reflect

[lusty tiger]

What did u just say

[zinc shale]

After the trio boss?

[zinc shale]

Meanwhile ur party dies

[lusty tiger]

The bird that shoots the fire?

[south zealot]

ik thats why i said it might just be a tank thing

but it seems easier on everyone than the first pack

[south zealot]

yeah

NAGUURA SWAPPED POG

she never stops talking and cutting ppl off

[zinc shale]

Im not following here

[lusty tiger]

Ye

Lmao

Bad takes

[south zealot]

easy to tank, shit does nothing to me

[sweet summit]

okay but your party just dies

[zinc shale]

since the nerf the damage is fine for sure, but thats not why they are ass

[lusty tiger]

So we can sr the fire?

[sweet summit]

yea

[south zealot]

ive had worse luck with people dying in first pull

and zul gamux pull

[lusty tiger]

Certainly

Those are rough

[zinc shale]

healer issue

[lusty tiger]

Usually in sub 20 keys big dps makes them zzz

[south zealot]

how are the later packs not the same thing?

[lusty tiger]

If the dps isn’t high and fast for those packs everyone starts to die

[south zealot]

you can dodge the rhinos

[zinc shale]

They dont fuck the party up as bad as the first packs in the dungeon

[south zealot]

exactly so later is easier??

[zinc shale]

The issue is that they split up, run around

disengage

[sweet summit]

there are more efficient trash to pull

is the main thing

[zinc shale]

exactrly

[distant crystal]

hmm can we heroic leap skip the last pack in workshop

[lofty widget]

yes

[sweet summit]

think so

[lusty tiger]

Wtff

[lofty widget]

same line as the lock gate would be

[minor helm]

Anything warlock gate can do we can do

[lusty tiger]

Hehe

[distant crystal]

door of shadows works too

[lusty tiger]

Utiliteh

[distant crystal]

in some scuffed anti-meta comps you could all just life-skip that pack

[sick sentinel]

remember that HL counts you as on the ground though, so if you HL over fire that is the size of entire HL length, and you are in while in air, you still take damage

[south zealot]

can be more fficient

but you guys said the party just dies

[minor helm]

You don’t even have to die

[south zealot]

which is basically not true

[distant crystal]

or just make the deathrun a lot easier by having some ppl skip and rest die

[south zealot]

the harder trash is the start

[zinc shale]

I literally thought u meant the 3rd boss bird

[distant crystal]

that's not true

[zinc shale]

not the trash birds 😄

[lusty tiger]

Then what were you skipping

[sick sentinel]

is it not true? cuz i know you will take damage from ground fire

[south zealot]

ohhhh

[minor helm]

This is just completely incorrect

[south zealot]

yeah that third boss bird is omega cursed

[distant crystal]

fire at the end or beginning of your leap will usually hit you

[sick sentinel]

what am i thinking of then?

[maiden ravine]

How much of prot damage is based off weapon dps? 😄

[distant crystal]

at the "top" of the leap, about the middle third or so, you're usually good

[south zealot]

i think this pack isnt the greatest to skip imo

[distant crystal]

like you can leap the workshop maze bots, but you need some good clearance before/after

or you'll hit them

[south zealot]

but hard to do it without skipping the right pack

[lofty widget]

you should skip rhino packs at the very least

instead of dragon packs

[sweet summit]

you can sim the ring

[sick sentinel]

i don't have any good examples, ones i remember seem to be from BFA

[distant crystal]

I'm p sure you could leap the laser on 2nd to last boss in shop too if you had the notion

[sick sentinel]

and i can't recall for sure which ones

[distant crystal]

as long as you put the lazer toward the middle of the leap

[south zealot]

demo

[sick sentinel]

nah, that lazer on flower boss hurts too much to get hit twice

i learned long ago

[distant crystal]

i guess could be useful if your melee are stranded in another section of the room

[lusty tiger]

Cast tracker

[distant crystal]

and you wanna be a nice guy and bring the boss back to them

[lusty tiger]

Rof gamers

[south zealot]

no point to be that sketchy

imo

[distant crystal]

yeah you're at best giving them like 2-3 seconds extra uptime

and risking tank death kek

[zinc shale]

just wall :4head:

[distant crystal]

i know DH can double jump and go over easy

[lusty tiger]

I just solo that boss with execute

Since everyone else always dies

[distant crystal]

execute is pretty huge there

[sick sentinel]

does not compute, must use mage input

wall does not exist

[lusty tiger]

Mirror images

[lofty widget]

ice block

[lusty tiger]

Mirror images is a dr

[sick sentinel]

im bad about knowinng when to use mirror image

[lusty tiger]

When u use wall

[zinc shale]

ugh do i CBA farming this:

[sick sentinel]

no idea what the mechagnome miror image thing does, besides maybe taunt, and it has a cool lightning drop animation on you

[lusty tiger]

Gnome?

[sick sentinel]

mechagnomes split into 3 more

[south zealot]

mechagon rings

cos ring

[lusty tiger]

Cos ring getting a nerf

Probably

[drifting fable]

how would you even farm it anymore? dont you need legion tw event

[distant crystal]

i would think so but also

are they really gonna waste dev time nerfing a meme ring in a meme season

[lofty widget]

legion m+ goes on for 2 weeks

[zinc shale]

You think? Hasnt it been legion TW many times?

[drifting fable]

oh shit really lol

[distant crystal]

when ppl have done like 200 runs to get it

[south zealot]

it’s kind of shocking they haven’t nerfed gavel

significantly

[lusty tiger]

They buffed it

Last time it was touched

[south zealot]

its actually so insane

[real fossil]

tfw you have a socketed avoidance jeweled signet thinking it was trash
still think i want the mechagon set tho

only 35 junkyards done...

[south zealot]

i got my rings day 3 of the patch kek

[sturdy sable]

If there was any season not to grind bis it would be the meme season at the end of an expansion

[distant crystal]

bro me and 2 other boomies

purple parsed doing less dam than the blood dk

with gavel

[south zealot]

[distant crystal]

on shriekwing mythic lmao

[sweet summit]

ring will get bugfixed soon anyway for sure for sure

[south zealot]

dk with gavel is the strongest version of a tank ive ever played with

[distant crystal]

now it's full meme in my guild

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/996991519460446270/1012485271897522186/unknown.png

and actually the other two blue parsed ig

[south zealot]

i havent been playing long tho

[chrome falcon]

It’ll be extra funny if they don’t fix it now because they’ll have to fix it for DF

[drifting fable]

oh true cos is coming back

[south zealot]

wait it is

[sweet summit]

would not mind it being OP as fuck for DF tbh

[drifting fable]

yeah season 1

[sweet summit]

#fuckcasters

[drifting fable]

cos and jade temple

[south zealot]

what dungeons will be in s1

[drifting fable]

and 4 df dungs

[real fossil]

its fine if we have a fancy bis bis ring to farm

[drifting fable]

and 2 WOD? I think

[real fossil]

if its current content

[south zealot]

bro i havent done jade temple since i was like

legit dogshit

i also hate that dungeon

[lusty tiger]

Jade temple like mop?

[drifting fable]

ye

[toxic pewter]

I think it will be great after playing season 4 I’m having more fun than season 3

[south zealot]

season 4 is great

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel What keys did they get?

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=312924/hyper-organic-light-originator

this is the effect i was mentioning earlier, even shows cool lightning i mentioned

its a bit unclear what these guys do to me

seems like its supposed to be an aggro dumper, probably for healers

[lusty tiger]

It’s basically fade

[sick sentinel]

says you can use it to drop target pve, would be good for m+/ raid

[lusty tiger]

Like a shadowmeld??

[sick sentinel]

Does make your PVE enemy lose target. Thus, dropping some aggro and potentially making it attack your copies.

[lusty tiger]

Cool

[south zealot]

tettles

[strong forum]

watch this

[lusty tiger]

Juiced up

Utilityxd bis yellow name

[minor helm]

Poor boomie

[lusty tiger]

Aka all boomies

[strong forum]

sludge was even funnier

[sweet summit]

99

noob

[strong forum]

well go play with a 6tank-3dps-1/2 healer comp

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

vs a normal comp who kills bosses in 40seconds

[sweet summit]

nty

[lusty tiger]

Are you just dpsing the whole time?

[cobalt seal]

wdym meme?

[strong forum]

what else do you do as a tank?

[lusty tiger]

Any reason to go ravager in raid with all the haste?

[strong forum]

no

[distant crystal]

doxxed

[cobalt seal]

mechanics

[strong forum]

i did

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

some of them

[lusty tiger]

Well sometimes I gotta run shit out

[cobalt seal]

GL with that on xymox

[strong forum]

not in CN

[cobalt seal]

[lusty tiger]

How do you charge tanking sludge

[strong forum]

?

[sweet summit]

you charge

[strong forum]

on every slam

on every roar

[lusty tiger]

Don’t you have to stand on the other tank

[strong forum]

no

[sweet summit]

only for auto attacks

[cobalt seal]

that's mythic lol

with 6 tanks

[strong forum]

even on mythic

[cobalt seal]

it's really hard

[sweet summit]

and even on mythic

you charge

[distant crystal]

those numbers look weird...

for mythic

[lusty tiger]

I thought we were talking about mythic

[cobalt seal]

(it's not mythic lol)

[strong forum]

even on mythic you charge weave

sludge is literally THE boss for charge weaving

[lusty tiger]

Well my DH was standing at the wall

So I couldn’t

[strong forum]

??

thats so dumb

[lusty tiger]

Ik

[sweet summit]

kill him

[lusty tiger]

But was first week of trial didn’t have much say

[cobalt seal]

pop a defensive

[sweet summit]

sorry didn't mean that

[cobalt seal]

and break chain

[strong forum]

assert dominance

flex on him with proper tactics

[south zealot]

duel him

infront of the raid

[sweet summit]

fleshcraft before breaking chain so you don't get stunned

[south zealot]

a battle to the death

[strong forum]

if you play it smart you dont even break chain

with charge weaving

[sweet summit]

nah

[strong forum]

cuz charge is 8, chain is 12

[sweet summit]

very hard to do so

yeah

[lusty tiger]

What chain?

[sweet summit]

the chain linking you and the other tank?

[hazy edge]

My co-tank charge weaved the entire fight last night

it's really not too hard to do

[strong forum]

as you should

pwar is broken on Sludge

[sweet summit]

charging was banned on sludge for us but i did it anyway and no one died (don't tell anyone i charge on sludge pls)

[lusty tiger]

I know all this but I was getting griefed

[strong forum]

grief back

[lusty tiger]

Tru

[oblique garnet]

You can do it with gamer cotank

Its really easy to charge

[south zealot]

monka got fucked

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Bv9QrZm1nKFNtgR8#fight=11&type=casts&source=18 me charge

Just with different cotank

[mighty valley]

oh it's completely free on normal

[strong forum]

on normal you dont even need to stack up

just yolo

shit does nothing

[mighty valley]

and on heroic the grace period before he starts attacking again after stomp is comfy

[lusty tiger]

Wb mythic?

[toxic pewter]

Monka should of run prot warr. Serves them right.

[south zealot]

damn they still are gonna 3 chest it

lag

lmao

[toxic pewter]

Wtf lmao

[south zealot]

[toxic pewter]

It’s done no 3 chest

[south zealot]

they got it

pog

[toxic pewter]

Got it

Lmao

[south zealot]

[oblique garnet]

actually so boring keys

[mighty valley]

i'm glad they're at least getting the 35 jy out of the way day 1

yeah

[wind oak]

they cant go higher than 35 ?

the game is hardcapped ?

[south zealot]

yes

tournament realm is

[wind oak]

tournament realm only ok

[south zealot]

jy is bedge 2 tournaments in a row

first time its kinda interestinf

id be fine with that

if they didnt do it for eu too

jy 3 times in a row

that would be hpy

hype

tomorrow is docks

day after is grimrail

no copium

IRON COCKS

[south zealot]

healer issue

u can drain my mana uwu

LMFAO

[lusty tiger]

Shrinklarged

[sweet summit]

he is pissing

leave him alone

[south zealot]

am i the only one that thinks naguura talks way too much

[sweet summit]

idk i mostly have casters muted xd

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/volume-discord-turn-down-gif-25924111

[south zealot]

she also cuts people off

all the time

naguura was asked a yes kr no question and took 2 minutes to answer

LMAO

[shadow haven]

how good is this

[dawn canyon]

meh

good if you dont have anything at equal ilvl

worse than normal shields with stats

[cinder storm]

yummy/dorki would be 100% better casters than the regulars

[lofty widget]

yumy watchparty got cancelled

[lusty tiger]

):

Yummy is based

[dark lark]

Yumy watch party is literally live right now

[lofty widget]

😮

must have only been for the NA live stream

[oblique garnet]

nah it was just some twitter drama

[minor helm]

He was mad cause ambition wouldn’t let him costream their POV so he said no stream at all

[oblique garnet]

[minor helm]

Call them liars

[naive hatch]

codex kinda sad for us right

aw

okay

[south zealot]

its bad on every tank

unless youre pushing world first level keys

on dk or dh

[naive hatch]

well shit i do be taking a lot of damage

spend half my keys dead

:)

i want that rdm so bad

can't wait to try for it next week

[burnt turtle]

Hello, I’m new to protection warrior. Is there any solid advice or tips you may have for me? I want to get better and make sure I am not useless

[chrome falcon]

always be pressing a button

[zinc shale]

can someone send me some calming pills

[chrome falcon]

[lime urchin]

Slap it!

[zinc shale]

i slapped it good and ressed a dps

and timed with 15s left, not even close, who needs a team

[dawn canyon]

Idk abt that ui

[zinc shale]

its pog

wutchumean

[dawn canyon]

Omni CD on other side of the frame and ur good

And move the affix buff somewhere that doesnt Cover ur CR/BL or debuffs

[zinc shale]

eh i want my right side free tbh

[dawn canyon]

Rest is good

[zinc shale]

yeah ive just placed that somewhere for now, gotta move that

the dev decided to add it

T.T

[dawn canyon]

Right side is gnarly

As long as ur UI isnt yogis ui it's perfect

[uneven wagon]

whats yogis ui like

[zinc shale]

[dawn canyon]

Painful

[uneven wagon]

cant be much worse than mine

[uneven wagon]

I think I have too little shit on my screen when I see shit like this

[dawn canyon]

👀

[uneven wagon]

i dont have any screens rn with raidframes

[dawn canyon]

Homespun and default elvui unit colours

Hm

[uneven wagon]

ime lazy

i think i changed how the colors work as hp goes down and with shields and stuff

[dawn canyon]

If it works it works

Page 2332

Isnt that for the worm mount?

[uneven wagon]

yh

i didnt know it existed until i saw new hirumaredx upload

[dawn canyon]

Was a fun one

Also grabbed it once i saw the video

[burnt turtle]

Well I’m trying to share a picture but It won’t let me. 😦

[dawn canyon]

The Horse was waaaaay worse

[uneven wagon]

im scared to do the horse man

[dawn canyon]

Spent 2h in the maze

[uneven wagon]

and this one looks way cooler

im not sitting on that horse

[dawn canyon]

The Horse i spent so much time on because of my maze start

Autorun on and get lucky

[uneven wagon]

a mount's gotta be really fucking rare or hard to get for me to sit on a horse instead of a fuckin dragon

how long did it take you @dawn canyon

[dawn canyon]

Horse in total like 4/5 hours

Worm i did sub 1h

[uneven wagon]

ive been taking a while on worm cus i decided to do the entirety of soo on mythic

[dawn canyon]

Ahaha yea

And then sha

And you have your hour

[uneven wagon]

im never farming that siege mount man

[dawn canyon]

I want tusks

[uneven wagon]

neat

i dont think I have a single worm like mount

except for the SL preorder

[dawn canyon]

There is the ToS worm

[blazing condor]

british worm

[oblique garnet]

Nah what did he do

[sick sentinel]

nothing prevents you from killing moroes last in a key eh?

[safe thistle]

you can solo the plaguefall achievement for the worm

yah its pretty ez

spider boss you get free healing by killing add

[naive sable]

I only seem to get around 1min banner duration, but dont normally use last stand, is that needed to hit higher uptime than 1min?

[strong forum]

nah you dont need LS to keep up banner, it helps

a vid on how to extend banner on a dummy is linked in the pins

[naive sable]

awesome thanks! yeah im 31% haste ilevel 251, feels like i should be able to get more than 1min uptime. Going to check that vid out

[strong forum]

well you need 4pc

and seeing that youre 251, i assume you might not have 4p2l yet

[tropic gorge]

speaking of the set stuff, is there anything inparticular thats best to turn into a set?

[dawn canyon]

Next time

[naive sable]

I got 4 piece, had enough of the currency to buy 3 246 pieces lol

[tropic gorge]

i forgot about that tier thing

goes to make some now(

oh booo i turned a socket item into a set item, and it knocked the gem out

[oblique garnet]

What happened

[south zealot]

tettles wildcard pick isnt looking good rn

it wouldve bren so funny if the casters kept saying echo was taken

instead if echo

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel Imagine echo one phases 35 Tyra with bl

[chrome falcon]

was na JY tyra?

damn

trogg boss kinda monka?

[dawn canyon]

Very

Cheeky lil 30k hps on gunk and gobb

[onyx briar]

Can I pop rally and last stand before starting key and have their cd's reset?

[lofty widget]

yep, any cd 2 minutes or higher resets when key is started

[onyx briar]

Awesome, thanks!

[oblique garnet]

Yeah for sure doable with lust

[tropic gorge]

am i reading Details! correctly? i think that means i have 77% uptime during combat

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[tropic gorge]

excellent. improvements have been made bahahaha. last week i was sitting around 60 or so

[oblique garnet]

[viral axle]

enforcer's stun grenade decent to use until i get aegis trinket? i replaced a codex

[chrome falcon]

if you have to ask this question, you're not doing high enough content for aegis to be necessary and should look for OWS+RDM

but to actually answer, stun grenade isn't great but like

you can wear it it's not horrific

soleahs is probably better becaue main stat

[tropic gorge]

Aegis is godlike

[viral axle]

i've just been stocking around in the 20's lvl for now, i did get OWS but was planning on getting Aegis second

[lofty widget]

aegis only good if you need it, otherwise its a dead trinket slot

[chrome falcon]

aegis is godlike but not really necessary until 26+

i've been doing 25s and not feeling like i need it outside of extremely specific scenarios (basically just medivh)

[viral axle]

so i should be going for RDM instead of aegis second?

[lofty widget]

yes

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, makes things dead faster so you don't need to worry about invincibility

[chrome falcon]

worrying about what you get second or third is kind of pointless

as long as you've been keeping up

you'll get second and third within like an hour of each other if you're full clearing SOD

[pallid quiver]

^^

[viral axle]

true, thanks guys

[chrome falcon]

just don't spend dinars until you've killed nine+guardian on every difficulty you can

[forest tulip]

Do any of y'all have an "Oh shit" macro? Like avatar + last stand + a health pot or something

[chrome falcon]

no

last stand is used on CD as an offensive cooldown

avatar is used on CD as an offensive cooldown

they should never be up to be used in that way

[pallid quiver]

avatar's a defensive CD by virtue of being active 900% of the time 🙂

[forest tulip]

Really? I guess I'm so used to conserving my big cooldowns because I took a long break from WoW and played a lotta League of Legends lol

[chrome falcon]

what are you conserving avatar for 🤔

the point is to send all your CDs when they come up to extend banner and do good dps

[urban portal]

In wow it’s about sending on cd

In league it’s about holding

[chrome falcon]

the only buttons we don't just press on CD are like

shield wall and spell reflect

LS, DS, ravager, avatar

send send send

i haven't thought about lining up a CD in 8 months

[chrome falcon]

(sometimes you hold banner if you let it drop for some reason)

[south zealot]

ok heres a question

do you rebanner if you have like 5 seconds left

but you can keep it running

[lusty tiger]

it is a mastery buff

[lofty widget]

well yes

[lusty tiger]

so if u need that

[chrome falcon]

as long as it won't cause any future downtime

yes

kevin, +10 seconds, buff the squad

objectively a dps up to press it

[lusty tiger]

or to greed for execute phase

[chrome falcon]

yeah i'll sometimes banner at 25%

or slightly higher

so i have kevin for execute

[lofty widget]

thats the real shit

[south zealot]

fair enough

[flint adder]

Looking for a bit of advice. My Stats are: 12% Crit, 31% Haste, 13% Mastery, 18% Vers. I have 3 sockets and 2 ring enchants available. Do I go all out haste?

[south zealot]

yes

[drifting juniper]

i'm having troubel reflecting last tick of medivh arcane missles

you guys use a weakaura or something?>

[shut summit]

just his castbar

when its under .5sec or w/e

[drifting juniper]

so i need to get better it at, thought there is an easier way

gotcha, thanks

[lusty tiger]

the very last moment humanly possible

is the best way ive found

[toxic pewter]

Good reminder actually thank you for this

If i have ows and aegis, only spent 1 dinar so far… what two buys are good. Gonna get rdm but not sure what 3rd dinar should be. Already have 304 weapon and 304 shield (also don’t do mythic raiding). Anyone have any suggestions

[pallid quiver]

Gavel for DPS off spec

[toxic pewter]

That’s actually not bad idea

apb… a gavel user… I like it

Maybe I get salvaged fusion amplifier or Scars of Fraternal Strife?

[static narwhal]

what loa are prot warrs using these days?

[hazy edge]

Gonk. Gotta go fast

[toxic pewter]

I like gonk on my prot pally

[static narwhal]

yea i feel like the movement is fantastic 😄

[chrome falcon]

gonk stonks

[onyx briar]

Looks like they nerfed that legion ring

fun detected
Nerf gun activate

[cobalt seal]

fun detected feral gaining 2.4k dps from 1 item that's not a weapon

[urban portal]

that ring is a higher dps up for feral

than gavel is for warriors

nice

so fun

[forest tulip]

uhhh, whats banner?

[urban portal]

banner of command

[forest tulip]

i didnt get too far into shadowlands

[south zealot]

necrolord cov ability

[urban portal]

could also look up "banner warrior"

or banner warrior shadowlands

[forest tulip]

ah, so necro is the best cov?

[stable valve]

can anyone share the SR weak aura and stuffs to add the new spells to it?

[south zealot]

yes

by a significant margin

what is a spell refect weak aurs

aura

[onyx briar]

There's a weakaura that tracks abilities that can be reflected. It shows up in bar form when a mob is casting a reflectable spell.

[sinful plover]

Be careful using spell reflect on CD anytime it’s up bc there are sometimes you’ll want to use it specifically to reflect a big spell.

But like 95% of the time I think using it on cd is good

[onyx briar]

Yeah I save it for big(ish) stuff like vampiric claws, megataze, and medivh's arcane thingy

[delicate kraken]

Spell reflecting Force Blade in a 20 upper Kara

[onyx vessel]

Spell reflect this season

Last season

[oblique garnet]

[cinder nova]

Am I crazy or can you just solo tank shriek

[urban portal]

you can

[cinder nova]

that's what I thought

[urban portal]

its a 15 second debuff

so you just need to live for 15 second ish

the mythic shriekwing tank hit does 100k lol

thats lilke nothing

jailer autos did like 300k?

[cinder nova]

yeah, I'd solo tank it if my guild didn't saddle me with the onus of lanterning QQ

[stable valve]

does avatar and booming voice buff SR dmg?

[cinder nova]

let me look

[oblique garnet]

No

[onyx vessel]

[oblique garnet]

I need help friends

I need a transmog that makes dwarf look toreable

[onyx vessel]

Use toys

[royal lodge]

LoL, use the mirror toy and steal a transmog.

[cinder nova]

Mage Tower shield (original)
Mage Tower tier (R Shoulder, legs, belt, gloves, feet, cloak)
Mythic SFO tier (L Shoulder, chest)
Scarlet Tabard or Theramore Tabard

[onyx vessel]

Tabard enjoyers

Reroll to not a meta race @oblique garnet

[oblique garnet]

Im belf now

[onyx vessel]

Faction change

Belf enjoyers

[oblique garnet]

gotten to a point where i could use the extra reset on bleeds

[onyx vessel]

Orc warrior

Bleeds do hurt us alot

[oblique garnet]

yeah not ideal to have 14 stacks of the grimrail bombardiers

[onyx vessel]

Id be dead

Grimrail train section i get fucked in the ass the whole time

[oblique garnet]

thats easy

just sidestep

and stun flametongues

[hazy edge]

Grimrail just sucks ass in general

[oblique garnet]

wrong

[hazy edge]

I hate tight corridors

Any dungeon that has them is instantly way worse

[oblique garnet]

Faction change is 3 tokens from 0 balance

[onyx vessel]

Sidestep

[oblique garnet]

ye

only thing that kills you there is shrapners from gunners

[onyx vessel]

$60 worth for faction change

[oblique garnet]

30% technically

[onyx vessel]

Just use money

[oblique garnet]

30€

nah

why would i when i have gold

[onyx vessel]

For me a token is $25

Canadian dollar

And taxed

Server transfer is like $37 with tax

https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-broke-gif-7855913

[oblique garnet]

[onyx vessel]

Id assume only takes a hour

[pallid quiver]

Well, I just got the haste proc ring from workshop

i guess i live in junkyard now

[cinder nova]

I still need mine reee

[lusty tiger]

how do yall tank stravos on council?

the 2nd lunge always lines up with the dark recital

[lusty tiger]

poggggg

[south zealot]

finally hit 40% unbuffed

[icy garden]

should spear be @cursor or @player

[lusty tiger]

pve probably @ player

this is for arms?

[queen hemlock]

LUL

[lusty tiger]

fake news

[icy garden]

im just levelin as prot atm, questin

[lusty tiger]

ah sure

someone do a key with my priest ^^

[queen hemlock]

If you're good at controlling at cursor and all

On cursor should be better tho, seen tanks aways move away alittle after i throw down the spear
But seeing as youre the tank guessnit wouldnt matter

[lusty tiger]

@heavy mirage is just press and dont think it feels great for arms

um sorry player

[queen hemlock]

Ye
Also use on player
I can't control on cursor
Even heroic leap

[lusty tiger]

i dont usually use @ cursor

[queen hemlock]

Hear the big pros use them for minmaxing

Peabrain and skills can't handle it

[lusty tiger]

i think theres a lot more important things to warrior

mayb as a hunter you should

I WOULD however do a smart cast- where you hold to show indicator and release to cast

[queen hemlock]

Oh thats a thing?

Cool

[lusty tiger]

idk

[queen hemlock]

Gonna go see

[lusty tiger]

mayba macro for it

[queen hemlock]

Thought thats a DF thing

[lusty tiger]

no clue

league of legends thing

[queen hemlock]

Lol smart cast no show effect area

Only vector cast has it

Unless there is a new settings i never seen

Oh waitbi use auto cast nvm

[south zealot]

double warrior in upper

[queen hemlock]

Did you do the reflect king thing

3.18m on SR

[zinc shale]

https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/67749-mythic-25-upper-karazhan-cleared-with-5-tanks/

@strong forum kek

[onyx vessel]

[urban portal]

why is he talking in 3rd person

[onyx vessel]

Reading bdk guide expecting intelligence

Too busy slapping heart strike

[icy garden]

i just find it funny that the blood dk guide writer wasnt the blood dk

[onyx vessel]

Look at prot warrs wowhead guide its done by the one who does like 3 tank guides

Generic af

[lament shell]

title is here

[icy garden]

i accidentally snorted cake frosting and now my nose is on fire

[onyx vessel]

[urban portal]

which one did mwahi write

[onyx vessel]

Sounds like a good key time

Icyveins

[icy garden]

warriors only level 52 :/

[urban portal]

then wowhead sucks

[icy garden]

ima finish this vod take a shower then go to bed

[onyx vessel]

Slacker

[urban portal]

got it

[icy garden]

your right, ive only got like 17 hours played

[onyx vessel]

Says codex is good for pwarr

[trail minnow]

Genuine question but if codex is bad why are there top warrior 0laying this trinket?

[urban portal]

because they dont know the math

seems good when you only look at logs

but its really hard to "see" in impact of loss of strength

[trail minnow]

Ah okay, but still not a worthless trinket if you don't have access to raid trinkets right?

[urban portal]

It’s pretty worthless

The loss of strength is pretty big

Run a dps trinket

Grenade is not bad

But there are really no good m+ trinkets

[trail minnow]

Alright i see, thanks for the insight

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth i found the perfect stream

[knotty trail]

OK General question what is our BiS weapon. Is it the haste/verse sire wep or rygelon crit/haste wep?

[plush prism]

can i confirm that im not going crazy, the haste ring from Workshop will drop as prot loot spec, right?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[plush prism]

I've run like... way too many

[lusty grotto]

but fury is prefered so you get a shot at the 1 hander

[plush prism]

already have it

wait 1 hander?

fury would be 2h

[lusty grotto]

fury gets access to the 1hander

[plush prism]

oh okay

tearing sawtooth right?

already have it at 298 😄

[warm plinth]

is it mine

[lusty grotto]

there's no 2hander in workshop

[plush prism]

kk

is there any greater chance of the ring fury vs prot

all other loot aside

[lusty grotto]

not really

[lusty grotto]

https://www.twitch.tv/wowgrandma78

lmaoooooo

[warm plinth]

oh, I've seen her stream before

[lusty grotto]

shes actually decent

new to me 😢

[warm plinth]

Her stream was going around back in the Phoenix days

[lusty grotto]

sire weap is better, whatever has the higher haste

if you have access to equal item level that is

because if not, then higher ilvl wins

[wraith onyx]

Does prot want mecha rings? Or cos ring?

[lusty grotto]

mecha combo

[wraith onyx]

Alright

[south zealot]

yes

[frosty wagon]

guys just a quick question, i started tanking this season and i wonder what you guys take in m+ for stats? i was thinking maybe trying mastery once since it also pushes ap?or you just go haste ?

[pallid quiver]

str technically

but haste if you're looking at secondaries

but it never outvalues sheer ilvl or str, so

The spitball number you'll generally see is 40% unbuffed haste before you think of much else

[cobalt seal]

stats are overrated

only thing that matters is ilvl

(at start)

[sand pebble]

Big pump mastery cause got huntsman neck.amd its highest ilvl

Feels like shit without haste bounty

[pallid quiver]

If you're curious, mastery's the weakest because banner gives a shit ton already

[blazing condor]

i assume they meant the seasonal affix

[cobalt seal]

(even worst)

[sand pebble]

Nah playimg nf prot cause inky tank upto 15 for guildy

Anything hugger im arms or fury

Fuck this phone hates me

[frosty wagon]

yes meant affix ^^ sry

[cobalt seal]

then it's always haste

[blazing condor]

haste

[frosty wagon]

noice ok thanks

[lethal trench]

btw why unity on back and not neck?

[strong forum]

Any slot between wrist/cloak/neck is fine

[lethal trench]

cool thanks

[lament shell]

if you play fury

do cloak and signet on wrist

@lethal trench

[errant leaf]

We look so strong in df wth

[lament shell]

every single spec looks strong

maybe not druids and shadow priests

but

[sudden shell]

someone gotta keep the bottom of the tier list guarded

[onyx vessel]

Whos tier list

Do other tanks do 3m spell reflect dmg

[waxen frigate]

think he meants priest/druid

in df

[onyx vessel]

[elder mesa]

is the fueled by violence conduit really bad?

[strong forum]

not as bad anymore

in aoe its good now

[urban dune]

Is there something I'm missing about Upper kz chess boss? I've seen clips of reflect deleting the king, but in my runs he only casts the reflectable giga damage at the same time he regains "royalty" auta

[strong forum]

you gotta bait his slam just before you kill an add

https://clips.twitch.tv/ZealousPeacefulEaglePMSTwin-4mqbSRil-p3660wn

he casts his aoe if you get close to him, so just have nobody in range until you want the slash

[cobalt seal]

for us

it's prob worth doing 1 SR right from start

70k dmg is 70k dmg

[strong forum]

well duh

im not holding SR for too long

i did 6 or 5 reflects

[cobalt seal]

does the slash have a ICD?

[strong forum]

not too long

12sec CD

SR is 20

[alpine shard]

you can double reflect the slam by standing right on the edge between 2 squares

[wispy kite]

do you have to taunt this btw?

or nah

[strong forum]

no

[ionic fern]

😂
That's so dumb, haha.:D

[strong forum]

Perfectly balanced and valid

[ionic fern]

Watch them nerf it.

[oblique garnet]

If they do we demand gavel nerf

[toxic pewter]

Stalwart guardian vs fueled by violence vs condensed anima sphere? What you guys think these days

[strong forum]

CAS is averagely solid
SG might be overkill these days
Fbv is very strong in aoe

[stable valve]

prot can use two hand w/ a shield instead

[stable valve]

have you tried with any of the other chess pieces?

[toxic pewter]

Yah that’s why I sort of bring this up, sort of want to experiment with fbv and cas I think

[pallid musk]

I would be happy if we get option to equip 2h weapon with shield

[stable valve]

where would you use FBV over SG

[chrome falcon]

SW CD is so low that you have it every time you need it

i don't necessarily believe that ^

but that's the logic

[stable valve]

I've noticed that more often than not, but I'm only at 23s rn on my war

but it's like a sweater sometimes you know?

[strong forum]

I don't think there's a situation where you need SW more often than once every 1.5min

So SG doesn't do a whole lot there

[cobalt seal]

turn on the air conditioning to cold

[strong forum]

In trash heavy dungeons fbv has huge potential to be very strong

[stable valve]

yeah in some it looks like 550 to 720 hps for me

[strong forum]

Like in some pulls its north of 1k hps

[stable valve]

looking at my deep wounds dmg for a few dungeons for overall

[strong forum]

Gotta look at the big pulls, deep wounds is over 3k dps there

[stable valve]

yeah that's a very good point

[strong forum]

And big pulls are the most dangerous usually

[stable valve]

there's a few bosses on tyr that worry me

like soloing shared suffering

[strong forum]

Leap/intervene should be ready each time

[stable valve]

I actually learned that the other day when I was asking about it. Haven't been back in a lower yet to work on it though

same for inferno bolt on medihv yeah?

[strong forum]

In my comp we can just all tank it and nobody even drops below 90% except dh and dk

[stable valve]

lmfao, chad 5 tank

Last season I kept trying to convince my guild to do 15-20 keys like that to fuck around, but they all said it was trappy :/

[stable valve]

is it about the same timing as avoiding echelon's slam last season?

[strong forum]

Tighter, cuz attumen runs after you

Not as easy as echelon slam

[analog smelt]

Hey guys, got the ring form lower kara, with the 10% damage reduction, and wondering if it is any good for prot warri, consedering the stats

[strong forum]

Absolutely garbage trash

[dawn canyon]

not a mechagon haste ring

[strong forum]

To put it bluntly

[dawn canyon]

consider if you are charging into a pull

[chrome falcon]

you can and should treat that ring like the proc doesn't exist

[dawn canyon]

how much damage are u reducing

[chrome falcon]

and without the proc the stats are just horrifically bad

[analog smelt]

10% for the first 4 sec

[strong forum]

Which is 1 or 2 melees

Wow

Huge

[chrome falcon]

which you have shield block

and probably IP

up

so it's literally going to reduce like

200 damage

maybe literally less

[analog smelt]

ok good then I can get some extra gold. thanks for the help ^^

[strong forum]

[toxic pewter]

Yah I’m intrigued by fueled by violence a lot. Did the ip buff we got affect fbv and make it more competitive

[stable valve]

fueled by violence is the deep wounds dmg heals

[toxic pewter]

Oh derp

What about that ignore pain conduit. Is that one any good

[stable valve]

bad

you're like perma capped on ignore pain most of the time anyways to keep banner rolling

[toxic pewter]

Ya

[strong forum]

Useless

In DF however it gets alot better

Cuz in DF its 30%, rn its only 8%

[toxic pewter]

Ya I did notice it in df trees

Oh wow

That’s huge increase

[strong forum]

Whereas fbv is now already 33%

In DF its 50%

[toxic pewter]

Interesting

[stable valve]

and it's gonna heal off rend and thunderous roar bleed (I know this isn't a thing yet, but daaaaaaaaaaamn if it is)

no

could maybe sim on pure ST, but probs near 0% chance it's better dps

and the strength you're losing is technically a defensive loss

[cobalt seal]

ilvl always wins

[cobalt seal]

that's not the part that really matter lol

[stable valve]

ye that's why I said technically. the secondaries/strength is a defensive loss (albeit not a make or break amount)

but I think the proc effect is only better on pure ST if equal ilvl to another weapon

[wintry nymph]

on reload it keeps showing allied nameplate + healthbars, how do i turn it off?

keeps turning it on when changing area or reloading

[valid finch]

Good Morning/Afternoon warriors.

I was just wondering is The Wall better than Reprisal for us less skilled in Prot mechanics?

[lime urchin]

No, play reprisal

[dawn canyon]

Learn reprisal

Become a more skilled pwar

[strong forum]

There's a keybind for that, check your keybind friendly nameplates

[wintry nymph]

i know

when i press the keybind

it turns them off

but when i switch areas or reload

its automatically back on

[lament shell]

guys does dmg redcution stack? if i press ibf and rune tap i have 50%dr?

[strong forum]

All % DRs are multiplicative

So it's not 30+20%

[dawn canyon]

So overlapping makes them lose value

Relatively

[lament shell]

ok ty

i never understood that but always knew to not overlap

[strong forum]

Its just math

[tropic gorge]

maffs

[dawn canyon]

Tbf as dk u can overlap ibf vb and DRW

Doesnt matter since they all work differently

[lament shell]

ofc

its not dr

[dawn canyon]

I like how vamp blood works

Very cool Button

[shadow haven]

can one handers actually drop in fury loot spec or is the game lying

[dawn canyon]

Yea they can

[strong forum]

Yes they can

[oblique garnet]

[dawn canyon]

no funrail at all

my tinfoil-hat take is that the observers dont work there

so they dont play it

CN and train sounds very funny

[tardy sequoia]

Do you think it would be a good way to learn a dungeon route by going solo and learn where the position of the trash is? (Mechagon junkyard I’m looking at you)

That’s what I mean, by looking on mdt and try to memorize the packs and to execute the route

[stable valve]

nom what soulbind are you running now?

[tardy sequoia]

If I try a key I fear I waste someone’s time

[valid finch]

is there a way to macro charge & intervene together?

[stable valve]

double potency or single potency w/ serrated spaulders and veteran's repute for bonesmith

[chrome falcon]

Yoooo train gaming lets gooo

[woeful sphinx]

what's too much Rage? What is the minimum number you can auto press Ignore Pain and it won't affect any of your next abilities?

70?

[cobalt seal]

press it

[woeful sphinx]

???

[cobalt seal]

there is no min

[woeful sphinx]

is it lower than 70? There are times where shield slam, thunderclap are both on CD and you will need rage for Revenge

[cobalt seal]

then dont press IP in those situations

[lofty widget]

its too situational to say "ip above this amount of rage"

[chrome falcon]

You use IP to avoid overcapping

[lofty widget]

it entirely depends what your rage income looks like in the next few globals

[chrome falcon]

Sometimes that means you need to IP at 40 rage

Sometimes it means you need to IP at 80 rage