protection

[toxic pewter]

one of the 5

[dawn canyon]

Maw boon and kyrian boon are aoe

Rest is st but venthyr feels strongest there

[oblique garnet]

And then you have cache for agi wearers

Which is also dumb

[mortal brook]

no worse than Fang was last xpack

[oblique garnet]

True

[mortal brook]

temple of sethrallis m+ when

need a fat Fang again

[dawn canyon]

Shit key

[mortal brook]

so says the shadow of xavius

[tropic gorge]

I hated that place

[oblique garnet]

shut your mouth

You will never speak of that place again

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[mortal brook]

m+ this is about standard. around 10% from all boons. and i wont get anything from the str proc cuz baer but not insignificant for sure

[oblique garnet]

thats kinda low

[mortal brook]

yeah well

bear is low

[spiral warren]

The cache on bear is so nuts

[mortal brook]

cache p good. axe procs off direct crits and is a hasted bleed. which is what ravenous frenzy does. lots of haste and crit

like 7/8 dungeons this pool are reasonably incarn-pull friendly

[spiral warren]

Yeah I gotta try to get one on my bear

[mortal brook]

its a dinar after gavel for sure

[lusty tiger]

Gambit enjoyer

[mortal brook]

i enjoy many things

toggle by key level

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/30#boss=62442&class=Druid&spec=Guardian&metric=dps

[spiral warren]

Bear is like my 5th alt this season dk just too fun 😦

[mortal brook]

but not like there's good competition

ppl literally doing half the damage cuz all the smart baers arent playing baer

[mortal brook]

also

[tropic gorge]

I like taz. It's so fun

[mortal brook]

i am enjoying this dungeon pool

[tropic gorge]

But I also like Kara, so I might be mentally cuall

[mortal brook]

tazavesh good content

[tropic gorge]

The current dungeons are super fun

[shut summit]

love both karas, lower just needed the nerfs its gotten

[lusty tiger]

Are these your m+ buddies?

[mortal brook]

nah i just like a meta focused composition

[lusty tiger]

Nice 2x tank meta

[mortal brook]

havent gotten a lower key since the changes, hoping its good

cuz that place has some lovely bear pulls

[lusty tiger]

% should be much more relaxing taking the swirlies off the guys behind opera

[spiral warren]

Honestly think lower will be one of the better keys by the end. Lots of really fun / big pulls

[mortal brook]

yes

thats actually kinda lower for cache-axe

[lusty tiger]

Standard 11% trinket active damage

[strong forum]

this man playing bfa

[mortal brook]

but again, not much different from where Fang was

[strong forum]

where most of his dmg isnt even from his class

[mortal brook]

this is better

[lusty tiger]

Nice cover up

[mortal brook]

278 axe btw

[lusty tiger]

We’re telling blizzard

Ur getting nerfed buddy

[strong forum]

very real and normal

this mans trinket does more than a whole havoc dh

[mortal brook]

good. bear was almost within 5 key levels of everyone else. nuke it again

[dawn canyon]

Taking down DHs/rogues/monks with him

Based tbh

[strong forum]

for half of DHs kit axe doesnt even proc

[lusty tiger]

Bear needs the crit aura again

[lusty tiger]

[tropic gorge]

Omfg yes

Bring back lotp

[strong forum]

doesnt proc off immoaura or fel dev

which is half of dhs dmg

[lusty tiger]

DH dps that are good are kinda handy tho

[mortal brook]

leader of the pack was pretty nice. mark of the wild is crit come dflight

[dawn canyon]

Meant dps dh

Idc abt veng

[tropic gorge]

I like both dh and dk for dps in runs

[mortal brook]

havoc gets good cache effect cuz of the autocrit

[strong forum]

still doesnt proc off of immoaura

or fel dev

[tropic gorge]

I like the dk more for grip

"hey can you grab that dude please"
yoink

[dawn canyon]

DPS dk when no 2 minutes

[tropic gorge]

Lol

I haven't seen many rogues this xpack

[dawn canyon]

Outlaw is good

[tropic gorge]

Well in m+. Been quite a few in raids

[lusty tiger]

Why is sin one of the top boss dps now??

[dawn canyon]

Does good damage ig

[lusty tiger]

How did that happen

[dawn canyon]

Buff

I think

[lusty tiger]

I don’t remember one

[edgy grail]

Assa has always been good tbh just underplayed

Bc sub was better

But they nerfed deeper daggers

[manic schooner]

What ilvl should I shoot for to pug tank 15s?

[lusty tiger]

275

[edgy grail]

15k-20k overall

Shoot for the stars

[dawn canyon]

So ive been imagining class buffs... Shit man

[south zealot]

how to make zophex in streets

keep casting body armor

[oblique garnet]

Searing pain and immolate is apparently gone now too so thats fun

[south zealot]

fr?

[lusty tiger]

Sheeeeeeee t

[lofty widget]

Ik if you kept strafing left/right early in s3 he would keep recasting it not sure if thats fixed tho

Demo locks also bugs him out, but no clue why

[delicate kraken]

All these lower kara nerfs and its still the most avoided dung

[woeful sphinx]

+2 a Junkyard yesterday and got a 19 Lower. Pretty much a dead key now

[edgy grail]

Lower is easy

Big nerfs

[south zealot]

lower is fine now

they nerfed the entire instance

[edgy grail]

Harder than JY ofc

But much easier

[woeful sphinx]

you guys forget about my extremely low my skill level is

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[edgy grail]

Only 1 way to get better

[delicate kraken]

A 20 lower is the same as a 23 jy

[edgy grail]

Ask any of the good players how many keys they have failed

[delicate kraken]

Prob a 24

[edgy grail]

The answer is A LOT

[tropic gorge]

Nobody starts off God tier. Keep trying. Keep learning

[edgy grail]

The biggest thing really is

[south zealot]

lower isnt that hard

[edgy grail]

Even if it’s not your fault

You need to analyze what you could have done

There is always some extra you could have done

[rotund sluice]

like you could have not invited a boomkin to your key

[edgy grail]

The more weight you can put on your shoulders the less you depend on pugs

[woeful sphinx]

yeah I'm an overthinker. I think Asa jinxed me yesterday cause he talked about forgetting to press shield block. In that run i found myself in several occasions with 2 charges of unused Shield block

[uneven mason]

Derphooon

[ocean yoke]

[south zealot]

padding gaming

[woeful sphinx]

I do have a solid question to ask. I have VERY bad luck with druids healers when i'm tanking. What can i do to help them out more?

[south zealot]

druids areeither great or they suck

[tropic gorge]

Agree. The druid is either a demigod, or shit

There really doesn't seem to be an in between there

[woeful sphinx]

i try to stand in their green circles but i feel like i'm doing all the same thing with other healers but i'm just dead

[south zealot]

u just have to keep yourself healthy

[tropic gorge]

Make friends with a healer

That's what I try to do

And be willing to run lower stuff to help them get good

[woeful sphinx]

i've raised several healers for them to leave me for better tanks

mostly BDK

[uneven mason]

"better tanks" "bdk"

[woeful sphinx]

my co-main is a H Priest so i highly favor priests for keys

[tropic gorge]

I like priests the best

Shaman are only slightly below

[woeful sphinx]

their kit is amazing. I'm super sad they are losing Flash Concentration in Dragonflight

[edgy grail]

They better be

It’s OP

But shit gameplay

[woeful sphinx]

without Flash Concentration Holy Priest is bad

spells do not do enough to keep anyone alive

[tropic gorge]

Hpal is like druid in my experience. Really good, or terrible

[urban portal]

dude

if you need flash concentration to keep you alive

then you arent a good tank

[edgy grail]

Druid is by far the most fun healer imo

[urban portal]

prot warrior requires one of the lowest healings in the game

[woeful sphinx]

? i'm talking about them having weak heals without flash concentration

[tropic gorge]

It's hard to die with a good druid

[urban portal]

they dont run flash concentration in m+

anyways

[woeful sphinx]

not about my ability to tank

Really then what do they run?

[edgy grail]

Yea druids are really strong but they need to prep well

It’s hard when you don’t know when your tank is going to get hammered

[toxic pewter]

Priest my least favorite healer personally

[uneven mason]

Getting the impression that your healers left you for other tanks for a reason.....

[lusty tiger]

I like shamans

[urban portal]

i like shamans

[toxic pewter]

I like shaman, druid, a good mistweaver is prob my favorite of all

[tropic gorge]

Shaman are wonderful

[uneven mason]

🐢

[tropic gorge]

Esp the Chad that has decided the tank won't die regardless of what he pulls

Those are my favorite. And they are hard to oom

[toxic pewter]

Priests are too squishy imo

They get one shot to mechanics

[woeful sphinx]

%99.5 of priests run flash concentration what do you mean they don't use it

[edgy grail]

That why you play prot

Easy intervene

[tropic gorge]

Why are monks so rare
Every mw I've seen has been awesome

[edgy grail]

MW is actually good this season

But just underplayed

[toxic pewter]

Honestly a lot of these holy priests meta for a couple season and it’s gone to their head. Got a lot of fotm priests with awful attitudes

[edgy grail]

These dungeon require real healing unlike the other SL dungeons

[lusty tiger]

My guild mw is a chad I love keys w him

[tropic gorge]

Monk seems under represented

[edgy grail]

And MW can do good healing while doing damage

[lusty tiger]

There one shortfall to mw

[south zealot]

monk is super unpopular

always

[edgy grail]

Their external sucks?

😂

[lusty tiger]

Sometimes they get 1 shot because of being a a squishy melee

In mele range, with all the melee

[edgy grail]

MW is not squishy tbh

[toxic pewter]

Mw and prot go very well together

[edgy grail]

You just need to press yo ur buttons

[cinder storm]

My healer gave me a good reason why pwar was hard to heal, not because she didn't dislike healing me. When you pug and people are standing on bad and you also have to heal the tank in that same spike it is strenuous. The issue is often not the prot but the DPS brain out there not using their defensives

[edgy grail]

It’s like saying mage is swuishy

Yes if you just afk

[tropic gorge]

Hell yes

[chilly brook]

Monk is an above average survivability class

[south zealot]

mw biggest weakness is being super low damage

[toxic pewter]

In df many people saying monks looking great

I’m excited for that

[edgy grail]

Mw is not super low damage

[lusty tiger]

But their optimal positioning is sus af

[south zealot]

everything except druid is looking good in df

arent they

[chilly brook]

I thought MW biggest weakness was that they burn mana like gasoline

[edgy grail]

It’s about the same as HP rn

[chilly brook]

[edgy grail]

Without PI

[tropic gorge]

I'd be okay seeing more monks

[south zealot]

well yeah but priest brings pi and faeries

[cinder storm]

And GA

[edgy grail]

You need to heal a lot more this season

[south zealot]

so monk is low damage if you include priest buffs

[chilly brook]

If that was true then holy pally wouldn’t have been so good for so long as a melee healer

[toxic pewter]

Anything better than these arrogant pi priests. They think cuz they are the arbiter of pi they rule the universe

[tropic gorge]

Lol

[lusty tiger]

Holy pally has a lot of oshit buttons tho

[cinder storm]

Mad bc you don't pay your pi tax before the key?

[chilly brook]

And monk doesn’t?

[toxic pewter]

Lmao

[south zealot]

pally has more tho

[lusty tiger]

They require some more setup

[south zealot]

bubble lay on hands bop sac

[chilly brook]

Pally is also wheelchair

Monk literally haha I just teleport and take no dam

[chilly brook]

In what world?

Fort brew is instant, so is dampen

[lusty tiger]

Your cranes require you to be attacking, and your venthyr bois need to ramp a bit

Revival and bubble are pretty sick

[chilly brook]

Yes

[south zealot]

i think revival is so cool

[lusty tiger]

I’m not saying it is a drastic gap in their viability but merely something I notice happen to mw even if they are trying

[south zealot]

1 button

[toxic pewter]

Prot mw wil be meta season one df calling it now

[south zealot]

fucking boom everyones full hp

and dispelled

[tropic gorge]

I need to make a monk pal

[lusty tiger]

Played some hpriest to pi spam my buddy on his afflic alt last night and it was pretty juicy

I have played much more disc and it just feels like blizzard cranked the hpriest spellpower to 12

[tropic gorge]

I have a baby lock. She's aff. It's so fun to dot train everything in range and /dance as it dies around you

[lusty tiger]

Afflic getting pi off cooldown is kinda impressive

[toxic pewter]

well this is a first LOL

[urban portal]

i mean

prot warrior with lustseems pretty good

[toxic pewter]

ya in upper prot just so strong. just never seen a group listing they want a prot warr

at least not lately

[alpine shard]

reflect OP

[lament shell]

ye you die on mediev and womr

[uneven mason]

That group lead is 500iq

[toxic pewter]

yah they all seem smart

[south zealot]

i think prot isnt actually that good in upper

unless you have a shaman healer

very easy to have the group fall over at medihv

[toxic pewter]

I wont lie medivhe does kick my ass, healer has to carry that fight

yes

aegis helps a lot, it negates a couple arcane missles casts

[ebon wren]

medivh is so easy on my paladin, I interrupt solo every single frostbite

[toxic pewter]

damage at least

[south zealot]

saw a combat log of medihv form a pally

they were at like 35 kicks

[toxic pewter]

jesus

[south zealot]

rest of group was at 1-2

[toxic pewter]

sounds about right lmao

final boss though reflect is legitimately a dungeon changing play maker

[urban portal]

its fine

just have the SR leggo

and then after you are done you swap

[south zealot]

last boss is super easy regardless

so its kind of good kind of eh

[toxic pewter]

literally does millions of damage

[vernal vale]

Riding that clapper game hahaha

[ocean yoke]

felt awful playing it, full aoe pad is always fun though

[vernal vale]

Gotta assert dominance on your dps

[tropic gorge]

Upper Kara is my favorite. The guardian first boss is a pug stomper

[drifting juniper]

Thanks to this discord i timed my first high key as prot warrior

Cheers fellow prots

[shut summit]

[lusty grotto]

[vernal vale]

Now it's just onto the next key.

[lusty grotto]

[drifting juniper]

need to clean sweat from myself and my gear and rest a day or 2 before going next

[south zealot]

gaming

[drifting juniper]

[lusty grotto]

enough cats

dodgejam when

need doggojam

lemme see if i can import this one

[urban portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

oh shit i did it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

im actually

just

[urban portal]

perma

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[lusty tiger]

Word

[lusty grotto]

doggo jam!

photoshop wizards can just lasso tool it or something idk

[toxic pewter]

are most of you guys skipping zul gamux dreadlord in your keys or wat?

ya I mean i like the 3 stacks and count

I guess in gambit many groups sort of look to me if i should skip it or not

gambit, streets, uhhhh even iron docks i think?

ok

gambit her position is tough

[lusty tiger]

Where is it in lower I forgot?

[toxic pewter]

after first boss

[lusty tiger]

Ohhh

Ye

[toxic pewter]

do you do the die and take door route right after first boss

ya

[lusty tiger]

With the nerfs to trash maybe we kill now

[toxic pewter]

its not bad

[lusty tiger]

Yes

No more swirlies I thought

Ohh ):

I like that

[toxic pewter]

the trash after first boss is not bad if you pull to where the 1st boss is they fixed that crap where the entire dungeon aggros from some abilities

they did

they still aggro but dont actually come to you, its weird, but they patched it some how

[stable valve]

how do y'all solo shared suffering?

[lusty tiger]

Kill boss before he casts it

I actually don’t know

[jagged pier]

leap out of it

[lusty tiger]

I too am curious

[lusty tiger]

Everyone?

[stable valve]

do I invest in a cheat death?

[stable valve]

aye yo?

[lusty tiger]

No

[jagged pier]

i mean SW and SR is enough for general keys

[stable valve]

intervene work too? (assuming he doesn't cast mortal strike right after)

[jagged pier]

no

[stable valve]

had it happen where I SW+SR the first, but SW wasn't up the next time he cast it

[tropic gorge]

Your name is giving me full metal alchemist flashbacks

[lusty tiger]

Someone has to soak thought, right? Or else it does single soak damage to the whole party?

[stable valve]

DS+SR wasn't enough for the second (granted I wasn't full health). 19 kara where priest did 2.3k dps and 5.8k hps as kyrian

[lusty tiger]

Fc

Health pot

Devils advocate

Sounds like the priest was getting carried

[vapid lynx]

Does RDM only proc on your target or can it proc on anything that’s hitting you?

[shut summit]

you pretty much hafta kitchen sink it as key levels go up

and you hafta leap/intervene to let mortal strike drop if you have the debuff

[lusty tiger]

How tf do you keep banner up during this mess

Dodge horsey, kite ms, solo soak shared

[shut summit]

on 27 fort it hit me for 124k with SR / shield wall / channeling FC

[lusty tiger]

Omg

That’s 95% hp

Basically

FORT

[shut summit]

idk just press buttons, isnt that bad

[lusty tiger]

Does this mean the party has to share it for tyr weeks?

Yee I could see that

DH

Wb rogue?

[shut summit]

yea use immunes / cheat deaths / gs, etc

[south zealot]

wtf is kitchen sink it

[lusty tiger]

Everything

Throw everything u got

[south zealot]

oh

[astral crest]

Finally replaced my lfr pre fated low ilvl shield with an 288 (gonna upgrade it) salvaged mekacycle shield from mechagon. The one that absorbs and deals damage on a proc. Only gives mastery though

Is it any good? Thoughts ?

[south zealot]

i never wanna solo shared suffering

it actually hurts so much

[lusty tiger]

Yea just one unblocked melee away from death after

Horseman hits kinda hard

[astral crest]

Got it

Was hoping for SLG token

For shield

But got sire token instead

[uneven mason]

I feel so bad for you

[astral crest]

Haha I meant it, wad hoping for that

[mild palm]

Is it worth dropping haste for the damage mechagon ring? Currently using 298 Collapsing Stars in lieu of a loop.

[stable valve]

on cd from the trash :/

[lusty tiger]

[toxic pewter]

anyone know a way to figure out how much haste my ows averaged during a dungeon

[stable valve]

trash before huntsman squishes were dying while I was healing 12k and priest was healing 3.2k 🙂

[lusty tiger]

Spear is so op for that trash

I would assume hunter root too

[toxic pewter]

honestly hate that trash i wont lie

[icy flax]

Is reprisal exclusively on boots

[rotund sluice]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=183390/memory-of-a-reprisal

[cinder storm]

You use it on boots bc of RPing

[icy flax]

RPing?

[cinder storm]

Roleplaying

Gotta go fast

[icy flax]

Very true

I appreciate the wowhead link, but i meant, is there any reason to craft it on legs

[cinder storm]

If you open your Powers menu, you can mouse over and it will tell you which slots you can use for which leggos

Ah, stats

[rotund sluice]

well legs is the only other option which has a higher stat budget and can be used for tier

since the ilvl of legendary items didn't go up in season 4 it seems like boots is clearly the best option assuming you have access to higher ilvl legs

[icy flax]

Thank you

[cinder storm]

There's also being able to have a slot with proper stats weight vs your tier and potential drop

[rotund sluice]

more stats > better stats

[icy flax]

yuh yuh

[south sable]

what are looking to be the best weapon and shield for prot?

[lusty grotto]

whatever is higher ilvl for you

but if ilvl is not the issue, it depends on the content you're doing

[south sable]

but i mean ideally...

cause i have a couple shields and wepons i can level

[icy garden]

Sim the stats

[lusty grotto]

both depot and streets shield are similar

depends on the stat you want tbh

[south sable]

hows mekacycle?

[lusty grotto]

garbage

[drifting fable]

think gd has the “best” one but yeah sim

besides raid shields of course

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's not considering raid shields

[drifting fable]

if you mythic any of the 311 will be best

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[south sable]

k thanks

[limpid pawn]

i've been using the guardian shield b/c its my highest

[lusty grotto]

that's quite alright

[limpid pawn]

my trinket combo atm is old warriors soul and 304 alars

but i have soleahs secret technique at 298, should I replace that ows (its 259)

[urban portal]

probably should

sim

[drifting fable]

what did you dinar? and yes thats a sim question

[limpid pawn]

sim?

isn't that for just dps though, it hought we have to consider survivability/defense as well

[drifting fable]

raidbots.com

check it out

nah tanks sim dps too

[limpid pawn]

no but for high keys pushing, is our DPS sim the most important thing?

like aren't we also concerned with optimizing surviability as well

[lusty grotto]

yes, cause you cant sim defensiveness

[drifting fable]

if you are pushing that is now trinket preference

[urban portal]

soleahs will give you a lot more defensively

[south sable]

i dont think defense is much of an issue with healers being so strong rn

[urban portal]

just from the strength

its 39 ilvls of strength

+consistent haste

[limpid pawn]

i think the ows gives more haste but less consistent

and less str

[urban portal]

a LOT less strength

[limpid pawn]

yeah I'm leaning towarsd secret tech

[drifting fable]

what did you dinar tho out of curiosity? wep/shield?

[limpid pawn]

any versatility % you guys aren't dipping below (or aiming for)?

[lusty grotto]

what did you dinar though

[limpid pawn]

i'm an arms dps main for raid

[lusty grotto]

i see

[limpid pawn]

so i dinar'd the gavel its 311 atm

[drifting fable]

ahh gavel for sure

haha

dont even blame ya

[south sable]

same

[limpid pawn]

what you guys dinar'ing

[urban portal]

no such thing as vers breakpoint

[lusty grotto]

^

[drifting fable]

OWS :P

[urban portal]

dinar OWS/RDM/sigil/aegis

[limpid pawn]

the OWS is prob next for me

[lusty grotto]

whatever is pinned honestly

[limpid pawn]

although I see people going for sigil too

[lusty grotto]

which is what these 2 gentlemen said

[limpid pawn]

errr i meant scars

[urban portal]

scars is for dps

[limpid pawn]

i have a 272 scars i played around with

[urban portal]

hurts a bit too much for tanks

[limpid pawn]

it just feels bad sometimes

[south sable]

hmm scars for prot dont think its good tbh

[drifting fable]

its good dps but i wouldnt push with it

[limpid pawn]

yeah def bad for tanking but for dps i was thinking about it but it just feels bad man

[mighty valley]

at least the slow part of scars doesn't apply to us

but it's not competing with OWS

[icy garden]

What's OWS?

[south sable]

yeah i use scars with my fury, and its good

[limpid pawn]

the sigil trinket sims high but i hate that long CD

(for dps)

[drifting fable]

old warriors soul

[south sable]

not an issue

[mighty valley]

old warrior's soul

[icy garden]

Sylv trinket right?

[limpid pawn]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

daily reminder to

[drifting fable]

sigil doesnt even sim higher than like SFA for me tbh

[mighty valley]

i don't mind the long CD since it almost always lines up with on pull + in execute

[south sable]

hows inescapable dread? I bet its trash but just to be sure

[urban portal]

is that the fear shit

[drifting fable]

its trash

[south sable]

dont know how often it procs

[drifting fable]

no its the auto attack DR

[urban portal]

link screenshot

[south sable]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=142161/inescapable-dread

[urban portal]

i already looked it up

[urban portal]

1 PPM

yeah

dogshit

BUT BUT BUT

maybe not

it actually doesnt seem horrible

itsl ike codex but good

like no cap

[urban portal]

whats your value on tooltip

[drifting fable]

well it probably varies on what youre fighting

[urban portal]

yeah im assuming a pack

[drifting fable]

something that hits you ungodly slow will change it

yea

like jailer lol

[urban portal]

definitely not good vs jailer

but this is like aegis but passive

obviously no main stat

[south sable]

reduces 5kdamage per hit for 12 seconds

at lcl 262

lvl*

[uneven mason]

No str

[drifting fable]

there are better trinkets

[uneven mason]

Oof

[urban portal]

5k a 262

that doesnt osund bad

[icy garden]

It honestly depends on what trinkets you have

[urban portal]

so dread has a 20% uptime

[south sable]

so if you are being clobbered by a mob it will take out 5k damage per hit... doesnt sound too bad for aoe

[urban portal]

and blocks for 40% of aegis

[icy garden]

It's single target though

[urban portal]

ah fuck

you right

its a debuff on the opponent

not a buff on yourself

yeah its shit

next

[south sable]

hmm it says "reducing THEIR auto attacks"

[icy garden]

If it was a buff on yourself I feel like it'd be insane for massive pulls

[limpid pawn]

yo i got a question about tyr bosses on really high keys

[drifting fable]

[urban portal]

its like a 12/18k HP every minute

[south sable]

but also talks about "the target"

[limpid pawn]

say you're tanking gunker on a +27 tyrannical

[icy garden]

It says haunts your TARGET reducing THEIR AA damage

[limpid pawn]

to keep SB up, there is a point where I feel like i have to use charge

but does he not wreck all melees if I step out of melee range?

[lofty widget]

yes he does

[limpid pawn]

so that isn't an option

like what do here

[lofty widget]

only option is charge a slime if it gets gooped

but frankly you sohuldnt need to

[lusty grotto]

wait for his casts

coalesce

[lofty widget]

nah

[lusty grotto]

etc

[lofty widget]

he still melees

[lusty grotto]

hmm really

lmaooooo

[limpid pawn]

so how do you keep dat 100% uptime for sb

[lofty widget]

you dont need to

[icy garden]

Just dont bring melees

[limpid pawn]

in BFA with enough haste and last stand it wasn't an issue

[shut summit]

yea this is correct

[limpid pawn]

but now i feel like it is bad for some bosses like that

[lusty grotto]

well now i feel bad for the melee

on my groups

but i do babby keys so shrug

[limpid pawn]

like charge in at the start, spam dat sb until i have to intervene and spam more sb

possibly use shield wall during a gap instead of sb?

[lusty grotto]

just channel dat booger shield

[limpid pawn]

but without the ability to leap/walk out

truuuuuuu

[lofty widget]

get a grease bot, with affix you have enough haste to where gaps in sb is very small

[limpid pawn]

booger shield is bis actually no joke

shit SAVES you

[lusty grotto]

yeah sometimes i forget i have fleshcraft

[icy garden]

Esp if uou time it for where you get smacked after full shield but while still channeling

[limpid pawn]

it is such a powerful defensive cd, ridiculous

[lusty grotto]

even though i copied sense weak aura LMAO

i added a bit of flavor though

[limpid pawn]

like zulgamox put 3 stacks of that dot on you and your healer is taking a nap?

[lusty grotto]

USE FLESHCRAFT DUM BOOMER

[limpid pawn]

you live with booger shield

[icy garden]

It's even more fun with 6 stacks

[limpid pawn]

yo in raid, token of appreciation is similar levels of brokenness

[icy garden]

Unfortunately the 30k dot is a bit hard to live as a monk

[limpid pawn]

battle shout and if you have like 5-6 venthyrs, you get a 30k++ shield

fights like mythic sylv, that was god tier

[icy garden]

I'm debating what covenant I wanna use while leveling

[limpid pawn]

honestly, just give us back bolster and also put last stand back on anger management

it's the right thing to do

[lusty grotto]

done and done

[limpid pawn]

student debts were forgiven, now its time for this too

[lusty grotto]

in DF 🙂

[limpid pawn]

orly

[lusty grotto]

not the LS part

[limpid pawn]

no we need that too imo

[lusty grotto]

but at least you can pick bolster without a conflict with AM

i mean tbf reprisal is gone so

but honestly the warrior tree is ridiculously strong as it is

unless something has changed

[icy garden]

Expect changes

[lusty grotto]

of course

they've already addressed some of the OP shit

still strong

[icy flax]

what stats do tier gloves give

[lusty grotto]

crit mastery

[icy flax]

ty

[lusty grotto]

yup

[woeful sphinx]

you can keep SB up for 90% of the time???? Do tell me your secrets

[lusty grotto]

reprisal

read what the legendary does

[woeful sphinx]

i run reprisal and struggle to 60%. Please help make bad player better

[icy garden]

Log

[lusty grotto]

where are you getting your 60% from?

[lusty tiger]

90% in combat?

[icy garden]

Learn your mistakes

[lusty grotto]

60% overall means nothing

[woeful sphinx]

details

[lusty grotto]

what you want is 90+ when youre actually taking damage

[oblique garnet]

Details shows only active time

[lusty grotto]

though that tends to be higher due to outburst and banner extension

[oblique garnet]

So if you have 90% sb uptime that generally also means you blocked that much unless you for some reason are turning your back to mobs

Or arent blockable hits

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

I feel as though I take a lot of back hits charging through a pack

[woeful sphinx]

i'm so bad. I'll get a log soon enough so i can try and get better

same

[lusty grotto]

dont sell yourself short

you havent seen the proper numbers yet

[woeful sphinx]

i'd love some good prot warrior mythic + videos with explanations and streamer details up

finding that is hard

[lusty grotto]

have you checked the pins

daily reminder to again

[icy garden]

Everybody starts out "bad" it's noth to worry about, all you can do is practice, find your mistakes and improve

[dawn canyon]

good attitude

[south zealot]

spell reflect fire here in docks

get 2xvalue

[lusty grotto]

uhh

soleahs drops for prot right?

cause ive been reading stuff that might be outdated maybe?

or should i go fury/arms for it

[lament shell]

yes it does

[lusty grotto]

ok perfect ty

[icy garden]

It should say in the dungeon journal

[mighty valley]

secret technique is an omni trinket

drops for anyone

[ebon wren]

I think just hitting SB on cooldown is > 60%

[woeful sphinx]

just ran a log and found out i don't have advanced logging on so i have to do another.....

[mighty valley]

what does unadvanced logging even look like

[lament shell]

big reflect

if you ever pull this

[uneven mason]

So there is a misnomer on block %, uptime is fruitless, blocked hits is the statistic

[woeful sphinx]

unadvanced logging wont' display. in the warcraft log app

[south zealot]

bro this fucking lower kara

the murlocs kept casting

after they got to 1%

[plush prism]

anyone used the Salvaged Mekacyle Shielding?

any good?

[south zealot]

its worse than any othe rshield at same ilvl

but its better if its higher ilvl

[plush prism]

nah def not worried about ilvl

just what to upgrade

[royal lodge]

I use it because it is the highest ilevel shield I have. That is the only reason.

[plush prism]

best one is 288 because I dont have any good ones

dont wanna waste valor

[south zealot]

use a diff shield then

[royal lodge]

I'm not upgrading it though. I'll try and get that SoD shield again during the next rotation.

[oblique garnet]

@lofty widget can you stop beating me in every key

[lofty widget]

[south zealot]

one of u hoes just got into a 25 upper i was applied to

[pallid quiver]

If I remember right, it doesn't properly list all abilities, especially from other players, due to not keep track of that information in the packets sent and analyzed. Advanced logging takes more resources, but gives as much details as the combat log can ever possibly give.

pretty much, standard logging is 100% everything in the in-game combat log with default settings if i'm remembering right

[south zealot]

madge

[lofty widget]

done with this shit

[south zealot]

i need a lower

i dont like doing lower

[lofty widget]

im gonna settle with that 22

fucking hate that place

[plush prism]

yeah bro

that's better than just settling lol

I think my best lower is a 16

[south zealot]

id be fine wiht lower

but those damn horses

[lofty widget]

[south zealot]

its a fine dungeon but those things have scarred me

[lofty widget]

there are places you can tank them where they dont charge

but you still have to sidestep it

[south zealot]

ye ik

[plush prism]

I actually adore Karazhan in terms of immersive fun WoW experiences, but the overtunage of some of the mobs in there makes it a chore

[south zealot]

still hate those horses

[cobalt seal]

wdym

ITS EZ

[oblique garnet]

[lofty widget]

i mean i ran the dungeon like twice

[chrome falcon]

easy timer

[oblique garnet]

yeah same

thats our 2nd

[chrome falcon]

i think i've run lower kara maybe 10 times my whole life

including legion

[cobalt seal]

and we had a late affix in the first one

[chrome falcon]

probably less just giga cringe dungeon

[oblique garnet]

Ok ok

My route is fine

If its not 5 tanks

😠

[cobalt seal]

:bearsignboosted:

[oblique garnet]

we are full zugzug team constant mediocre dps

never burst

we need to pull bigger

[cobalt seal]

we need to abuse above attun

and moroes

you can pull everything almost

[south zealot]

lower is fine because fucking grimrail and id exist

[cobalt seal]

ID?

wtf is wrong with ID

[south zealot]

having the dungeon kill itself isnt fun

[cobalt seal]

And JY is?

[chrome falcon]

compared to lower kara?

yes it is

[lofty widget]

only half the dungeon

[south zealot]

jy is better than id because you are still attacking and playing

i dont think either are great

[oblique garnet]

Grimrail is like the most fun key that is out

[cobalt seal]

????????????'

[lofty widget]

i agree

love grimrail

[south zealot]

grimrail fucking blows

[oblique garnet]

There is virtually 0 downtime in grimrail

[cobalt seal]

you know you can play the stars in ID?

right?

[oblique garnet]

If you have downtime you are doing something wrong

[cobalt seal]

there is gameplay going on

there isn't JY

pull 3 mobs

at a time

+2

[oblique garnet]

huh

[south zealot]

the gameplay in id is just

group as many mobs as u can

boom oneshot

ok group as many mobs as u can

boom oneshot

wow so fun

[cobalt seal]

lol

[oblique garnet]

Yeah thats one part

[south zealot]

very interactive dungeon

[cobalt seal]

and the rest?

JY is all bots and not dying

[south zealot]

the rest is fine

[cobalt seal]

literally braindead dungeon

[lofty widget]

based solely on the reflect in the last part of ID it's an s tier dungeon

[south zealot]

the reflect is pretty gamer

[cobalt seal]

JY is just NW on crack

And NW was already bad

[oblique garnet]

Dont you dare insult Grimrail i voted for it

[south zealot]

grimrail fucking blows

i actually hate grimrail so much lmao

[onyx vessel]

[chrome falcon]

what reflect in ID

[oblique garnet]

But why

[chrome falcon]

the birds?

[lofty widget]

ya

[onyx vessel]

Better then some of the other choices

[oblique garnet]

Ya

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[south zealot]

camera

affixes

[onyx vessel]

Skyreach

[south zealot]

those two fucking bleed dudes that just drop aggro andoneshot people

[oblique garnet]

Anyone voting everbloom is suicidal

[lofty widget]

"but you can do so many different routes"

[south zealot]

trash being a little close together

[oblique garnet]

You pull one of them with zugzug

[south zealot]

should be like 10y further away from eachother

[oblique garnet]

If not dwarf

Thats good

Its nice being able to charge to next pack

Love me some chainpulls

[south zealot]

ig its just a dps thing

but if i just charge into it

and not run back

someone will pull 100% of the time

[oblique garnet]

Yes and?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah everyone ends up doing the same after week 1 anyways

[lofty widget]

storming kinda fucks grimrail this week, but that double pull is prime lust btw

[oblique garnet]

^

[south zealot]

which double pull

hulk and pack behind

or hulk and pack before

if youre even talking about that area

[lofty widget]

either tbh

ppl will prob have cds for pack before hulk+hulk pack

[oblique garnet]

Atleast we have managed to changes peoples perspective on warrior thank you @shut summit 🙏

[cobalt seal]

wdym

our routes are dif

than everyone

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but if people voted everbloom

[south zealot]

i didnt play in wod

so idk if that dungeon is dogshit

theres a good chance id prefer it over grimrail

[cobalt seal]

everbloom bosses are dogshit

trash is annoying

[toxic pewter]

I like grimrail

[oblique garnet]

Grimrail is the single most pug friendly key we have had since freehold

[toxic pewter]

Yah it’s great and fun too

Unironically

[mighty valley]

with the last boss fixed and the community more aware of what kills them, it's smooth and simple

[toxic pewter]

It’s quick too

[cobalt seal]

hello

instant fire frontal

[oblique garnet]

Its not instant

[cobalt seal]

it's like 1s

[oblique garnet]

Sidestep it

[cobalt seal]

gl with that on storming

[oblique garnet]

Its easy

Its always on tank

Or whoever has aggro

Make a weakaura that notifies you with sound when it happens

[mighty valley]

initially people weren't controlling camera well in the tight space in week 1 and no one knew that mob facing was sometimes important in the wod dungeons

[south zealot]

grimrail is dogshit bc of how affixes work with the dungeon

[mighty valley]

oh and there's not much ceremony around the fire ring appearing on the group

ground

[toxic pewter]

Grimrail my favorite dungeon this season

[mighty valley]

but now? idk no one dies

[oblique garnet]

I agree sanguine is bad there

[toxic pewter]

I stand in all shit with my aegis

[mighty valley]

everyone just kinda got it

[south zealot]

if you could play grimrail with no affixes

its fine

aybe even good

but with affixes on like half the weeks its so terrible

[oblique garnet]

This week is easy

[mighty valley]

sanguine's annoying, what else? if you're awake storming is not that bad to dodge

[oblique garnet]

Literally pugged random 24 and ez 2 chest

No comms

[mighty valley]

the timer is SO forgiving as well

[toxic pewter]

Necrotic will be fun to drop the stacks healer go“stop line of sighting me”

[lofty widget]

yea i mean worst case you got storming in the frontal, just stun them

or fear

[mighty valley]

i've had repeated running wipes and still ez timed

[oblique garnet]

Only death that takes a while is if you die to the stairs grenadiers

[lofty widget]

first boss kinda slaps? or maybe i just have shit healers

on t he group

[oblique garnet]

But if you pull one of those with zugzug you will likely have no issues

[south zealot]

first boss does slap

[mighty valley]

it is a straight healing check for sure

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah but you can solo it so doesnt matter

[south zealot]

necrotic, spiteful, storming and sanguine are super toxic in grimrail

[mighty valley]

it's not that dense with mobs, people just need to actually cc ghosts and play smart

[lusty tiger]

suddenly you are on fire and dying

[oblique garnet]

Stun flametongue

[lusty tiger]

.

[lofty widget]

or, let it go off, shockwave to sync swings, reflect and smile

[oblique garnet]

Is it applied on swing?

[lofty widget]

afaik

it just adds fire dmg to melee hits

ah it also does dmg

but you could work around that

[oblique garnet]

Ye but the fire kinda slaps even on lower keys

[lofty widget]

i never stand in it, i just make sure the adds are on the edge of the circle, let them get a swing off then move them out

[oblique garnet]

🤔

Does it do alot to them?

Fire damage taken increase comes from the shrapnel

[delicate kraken]

Thank you for reminding me necrotic is a thing

The others aren't very noticable tanking

But necrotic

[lofty widget]

starting to doubt now tho after going over logs, i just swear i saw my weakaura say reflect while i was outside the circle

or maybe the fire dmg from melee hit doesnt do dmg back to the mob

oh well

[oblique garnet]

Ye you could reflect them

I think🤔 or maybe its the infiltrator at the same time

[dawn canyon]

Weapon imbue id suppose

Or

It Acts like docks fire

And reflects when u waddle into it

[oblique garnet]

Ye ofc

[south zealot]

do u guys know what time eu tgp is

same as na?

fuck

im like almost out of work then

ye ik

i want it to happen at work tho

so i can listen

boring ass job

how do u upload logs

to warcraft logs

[lofty widget]

external program, warcraft logs uploader

[south zealot]

91% banner uptime

[wide charm]

is the junkyard weapon with no stats good ?

and same question with the workshop bracers

[sand drum]

[sand drum]

think ive seen some type its decent on ST only (not 100%) but I prefer stats in general on my items

[drifting fable]

sim for the weapon on single target, bracers are not that good, better off catalysting

[woeful sphinx]

for logs do i post a link?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hvFzjMVyG498qWRL#fight=last

can anyone see that?

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet hi late ily

[woeful sphinx]

If you can see that how bad is it?

[drifting fable]

this would be your main issue likely

that is very very bad

[woeful sphinx]

how do i read that

[drifting fable]

resources -> rage

[warm plinth]

Wasted rage is big sad 😢

[drifting fable]

without diving too deep i would say overcapping rage is gonna be the main reason youre losing bannenr

you are simply not spending the rage you are generating

[warm plinth]

You know what else is big sad

[lusty grotto]

ghash

you know what else is sad

chef nimchip xmog might need to retire in DF

since there are profession costumes now

😢

profession gear i guess

[warm plinth]

https://youtu.be/_BgdnsYhDDk this? or?

[woeful sphinx]

so the gain is how much i got and the wasted is the overcap?

[lusty grotto]

you son of a bitch

[warm plinth]

😂

[drifting fable]

remember to IP when you are getting close to capping. you didnt hit IP nearly as much as you should.

[warm plinth]

8.2k views btw

[drifting fable]

yes wasted is rage you got when you were capped

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[woeful sphinx]

man i though i hit ip alot

[drifting fable]

so you used a generator when you could have snuck in an off GCD IP before it

youll probably think youre hitting it too much when youre doing it right

its alot

especially during last stand

you pretty much have to spam it

[woeful sphinx]

1 shield slam takes me from 10 to 100

[drifting fable]

the outburst shield slams are just huge

yeah

[woeful sphinx]

during last stand

yeah

[drifting fable]

so you gotta pre emptively pump that IP

if you know youre about to get a huge rage gen

[woeful sphinx]

do i delay?

[warm plinth]

IP is off GCD, just spam that shit

[drifting fable]

i mean not really you want to always hit something

yeah Ip you can just send@it

it has a 1 second internal cooldown but thats the only obstacle

[woeful sphinx]

what im saying is that even at 10 rage with avatar and last stand if outburst it up it overcaps my rage

how do i prevent that

[south zealot]

you dont

[drifting fable]

well thats not quite true i think it only gives like 79

[lusty grotto]

just minimize the wasted rage

[drifting fable]

70*

[lusty grotto]

you cant play perfectly

nobody can

[drifting fable]

for sure

[south zealot]

i thought it only gave 60?

cuz its 15 normally

wait nvm

wait

[drifting fable]

its somewhere in the 70 with outburst

[south zealot]

tier is 200% so you go to 30

[drifting fable]

forget the actual number

[south zealot]

ah yeah

somewhere close

[drifting fable]

so yeah remember SB spends rage too and is also off gcd

and IP of course

[woeful sphinx]

hmm... ok hit IP even more

anymore tips?

[drifting fable]

use those to balance the Rage that flows between gcds because you literally cannot revenge fast enough

[woeful sphinx]

i feel like i'm not as tanky as warriors hsould be

[drifting fable]

charge and intervene more

was my other point

low charges and very very low intervene

[woeful sphinx]

i struggle charging in melee

[quiet plank]

Random question does anybody know which loa buff is best for protection warrior? I'm currently using the Krag'wa but I have feeling its not the best one to use

[drifting fable]

40 charges in an hour brother? thats not good

[lusty grotto]

loa doesnt matter

its leveling content

use whatever you like

[drifting fable]

gotta charge casters, shockwave and step out and charge

intervene your melee more

its just a free rage gen

[quiet plank]

Thanks

[drifting fable]

tankiness comes from doing your rotation better

keeping the banner up makes us tanky

so you are incentivized to keep it up as best you can

[warm plinth]

But no you know what's really sad @lusty grotto is that @potent anvil is playing non-warrior in his youtube videos

[drifting fable]

plus the more rage spent the more healing from indom

[lusty grotto]

wtf

[vernal vale]

If your going to take any i would take the bwonswamdi one

[warm plinth]

I need a sad deswind emoji now

[lusty grotto]

i gotta be honest

i dont even remember what loa i was

and i usually remember bfa shit really well

that tells me that it really doesnt matter lmao

[rose eagle]

is there a weak aura or add on that tracks what attacks youve blocked or spells youve reflected?

[vernal vale]

I mean if it was me i would tak paku for the crit but racial bonuses really don't add a huge difference

[vernal vale]

youll need to do logs

[woeful sphinx]

thanks i'll work on not capping on rage