protection

[next pasture]

let me see if i can upload that partial log

i figured i need a WA to help me see my banner too

sometimes it’ll come off CD and still be up

for some reason my WA cluster doesn’t show it being active, but it might need an update

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YvykdPW1RV8LaJZF/#fight=last

please remember this is my second time tanking a key over 10 xP

and like, i've never even played prot warrior before a couple days ago when i filled in for a normal raid

[chrome falcon]

you're not casting enough revenge

which is gutting your SS casts

also not casting enough TC

[next pasture]

do i cast revenge outside of procs?

[mighty valley]

yes

constantly

[chrome falcon]

the very short guide to the rotation on this class:

SS whenever it procs (unless dropping ravager or demo)
Revenge to fill gaps
TC when you want rage
IP exclusively to dump rage

[next pasture]

i see

[mighty valley]

all GCDs should be filled

[chrome falcon]

You do not cast IP as a defensive/mitigation button

IP is exclusively there to avoid overcapping rage

[next pasture]

what is SS?

[mighty valley]

shield slam

[next pasture]

oh

shield slam

lol

[chrome falcon]

revenge gives you SS procs

revenge is technically a "generator"

[next pasture]

so revenge spam, and ignore pain for when i can't revenge fast enough?

[chrome falcon]

yes

ignore pain sucks

[next pasture]

yeah i've definitely been doing it backwards

[chrome falcon]

it's only good because we cast like 20 of them a minute

ignore whether revenge is procced or not

you're going to do 0 dps if you wait for it to proc

waiting for a revenge proc is some 9.0 shit

[mighty valley]

it's sort of counterintuitive at first but constantly spending rage on revenge improves your overall rage economy from resets

[next pasture]

xP

[mighty valley]

also you used intervene twice

get that going on cooldown

[next pasture]

it's hard to remember! haha

[chrome falcon]

charge usage is good

intervene low

just get it macro'd to a melee and use it on CD

treat it like an SB that generates instead of spends

[mighty valley]

it becomes second nature, it's just a cool button that gives you a big package of cool stuff

[chrome falcon]

your rage wastage is low which is good but also

probably a result of poor rage generation

[next pasture]

there was a pull where i died because dps whiffed an iron star

and i noticed i was getting a lot of rage

[mighty valley]

could also use Execute more unless you're exclusively pulling giga massive

[next pasture]

so i think pulling bigger might help

[sick sentinel]

you guys talking about doing 20's, mean while im having to whisper hunters and ask them and they get defensive about why they are like, 290 ilvl, and then no legendaries, lies about it, says its in his bank, gets upset whisper me why i kicked him just after explaining why to the group., for a +10

[next pasture]

how does tc help with rage generation? do i need to use it with outburst?

it feels like it does almost nothing

[sick sentinel]

got dudes signing up to tank with 1 tert head leggo dragon roar and a 207 WQ trinket

[mighty valley]

don't use it with outburst unless you have a lot of targets and your banner uptime is very comfy

but in low rage income phases, you'll take anything you can get

[next pasture]

i see

[mighty valley]

some damage + 5 rage is sometimes the best thing to do with that gcd

[chrome falcon]

during LS on AOE i use TC with outburst

but uh yeah TC helps with rage generation because it generates rage

[next pasture]

yeah because of increased rage generation

[chrome falcon]

nah

the rage generation on outburst for TC sucks

it's just that during LS+aoe

[next pasture]

no no i meant during LS

from the conduit

[chrome falcon]

i literally cannot spend that 80 rage from outburst SS

so might as well dump it on CD

TC*

[next pasture]

so ignore pain isn't gonna be most of my mitigation? or should it always be "up" regardless

like shield block is definitely gonna help more?

[mighty valley]

uptime doesn't mean anything

just do the math on how much damage shield block prevents vs. ignore pain

it's an astronomical gap

[chrome falcon]

SB mitigations more than ignore pain in 2 autos

most of the time

maybe even one auto

[next pasture]

dang

[chrome falcon]

it's not even funny how much stronger SB is

[mighty valley]

it's a percentage of every single auto attack! and there are a lot of those!

[next pasture]

so as long as i'm doing the revenge spam and keeping shield block off CD, i should be taking not too much damage?

[chrome falcon]

you should be basically immune to auto attacks if you have SB+IP up

[mighty valley]

yep, and burning rage effectively to get the indomitable healing

[next pasture]

is there a way to actually macro intervene to a melee? haha

like what would the target be?

[mighty valley]

yeah sure, you'd just have to change the name every time

[next pasture]

ah yeah

[chrome falcon]

^

[next pasture]

ok

[chrome falcon]

this is what i do

it's annoying when i forget

[mighty valley]

i find it easier to just use a mouseover macro and hit it on the party frames

[chrome falcon]

but it's an easy no-brain way

^

[mighty valley]

but whatever works for you

[chrome falcon]

also works just fine

[next pasture]

i have that but i always get anxious about intervening someone who's in a weird spot

but that seems nonsensical like,

in hindsight

[chrome falcon]

sometimes it happens

[next pasture]

people shouldn't be in weird spots

[chrome falcon]

i've intervened into a cloud more than 0 zero times

[next pasture]

have done that already lmao

[pallid quiver]

on the topic of macro'ing to melee for intervene

how do i convince the people i play with to reroll to melee

[chrome falcon]

but dropping shield block for 4 seconds on a 22+ fort is going to kill you WAY more than zero times

[next pasture]

berserker rage doesn't work, stoneform doesn't work, sucks

[mighty valley]

yeah, not gonna lie, i do fuck it up lol, but it generally increases your awareness of party positioning to have to care about it at all

[pallid quiver]

if you haven't done this, you haven't been playing warrior

[mighty valley]

i'm shocked this is a problem for anyone, my guild is unbelievably melee heavy

[pallid quiver]

i know a lot of people who have fotm locks and what not, and more than a few life long mage mains

[mighty valley]

melee classes are just more attractive people

tell them it's just raw facts

[sick sentinel]

i just think things like if there is one spec that is clearly all about you hold up shield and shield protects you, there should be some selection of abilities that hit hard are blockable, 25% to 50% more its a meme, less its a scammaz

[sick sentinel]

you dont, because melee means you have to have a better computer with a 3080 4080 to render all the spells at 4k rtx or live at 1 settings, ranged just goes 40 yards out and never has to worry about pc become bbq

hyperbole

[chilly brook]

back to back drops in heroic

ez clap

[toxic pewter]

nice

bdk have ruined healers they have become lazy and complacent

bdk cannot continue into df like this 🙏

[mighty valley]

???

[sick sentinel]

One more thing, vampiric claws did 330k and its reflectable so make sure to reflect it. Now, i dont know if that prevents the infiltrator from healing but it definitely makes ur life easier

[toxic pewter]

it prevents them from healing for sure

[sick sentinel]

In a key we were doing zulgamox or whatever his name is took us like 10 hours to kill. 22 grimrail

So fucking annoying

Imagine that on a 35

Oh i wonder why are people skippjng him in high keys

[toxic pewter]

yah a lot of people skip her

but in grimrail def gotta kill her

[mighty valley]

if anyone in the group has a healing debuff that helps a good amount

[toxic pewter]

how much stamina does tauren racial give at lvl 60

[mighty valley]

just a wowhead comment so maybe wrong but

it's not impressive

not that any reasonable amount of stam would be impressive

[toxic pewter]

ty

yeah thats not that much

thats like 1% of my health right now

[sick sentinel]

Hmm today im gonna play tauren prot in grimrail

[toxic pewter]

nice

[sick sentinel]

Im sure people wont have visibility problems

[toxic pewter]

heheh

[next pasture]

bdk is always shitty at the start of xpacs so i heard

[onyx briar]

Is there a weakaura to track banner uptime?

[next pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ah2pkvV7YBGwqtr6/#fight=last this is the first dungeon i've run since getting advice, is this any better?

i have a weakaura to show when it's... up?

[onyx briar]

I'm gonna search wago real quick. I'm sure I can make one if there's not already one on there.

[vernal vale]

I got my weapon tonight. My shield is trash though

[vernal vale]

Give me a minute and I'll look

@next pasture Blocked hits are above 80% which is pretty solid
Banner uptime is still low
Your wasting similar rage to what I do but your also generating less.

[onyx briar]

I found one that tracks the buff with time remaining, but not how long it's been up

which it's fine, i'm able to keep it up for a good 3 min

I can't believe I've been playing prot all wrong

[vernal vale]

@next pasture that is a grimrail i did today

[ocean yoke]

[vernal vale]

Silly clapper

[ocean yoke]

it feels like ass there isnt enough gcds

[next pasture]

i know at least once in that dungeon banner fell off because i didn't get to the next pack quick enough

also switching to spamming revenge has def made me get more rage, so i need to adjust to that

[vernal vale]

@next pasture so while better than your earlier log you are still not pressing enough buttons to generate and spend

[next pasture]

sometimes i feel like there's nothing to press :l

[vernal vale]

Your intervene is beyond low still

[next pasture]

wellll it's more than 2

i tried to make a macro for it at the start but i couldn't get party1 or the name of the player to work

[vernal vale]

set a focus

use a focus macro

[next pasture]

more intervenes would give me more stuff to press

for sure

[vernal vale]

Its a lot of extra rage, revenge, and SS resets through said free revenge

You look like your holding demoralizing a bit and you should just be throwing it anytime your in combat for rage

[next pasture]

yup, i catch myself not using it often

that and avatar comes up quicker than i expect a lot of times

[vernal vale]

You can just look at the top 4 abilities in my log vs your log and see how many more casts i'm getting than you

[next pasture]

i def have tanxiety tanking for randoms on a class i've almost never touched, i panic way too much right now

[vernal vale]

10 more revenge CPM
5 more Ignore pain
and 3 more Thunderclap

[next pasture]

feels crazy because some pulls i can't spend rage enough and others i seem starved for it

[vernal vale]

My key was a bit shorter than yours and i gained nearly 4k more rage than you did

When one pack is close to dead you should be moving to the next to chain pull as well will help you maintain banner and generate more rag

[next pasture]

hopefully i get better and work things out, this is way harder for me than prot pally or blood dk

[vernal vale]

Feeling starved comes down to waiting for SS

[onyx vessel]

Yeah

[vernal vale]

You can charge, intervene to help get more resets

[onyx vessel]

Cant get no procs

[vernal vale]

If i have no generator available i will shockwave or Intimidating shout run out a tiny bit and charge in

[next pasture]

i see

[vernal vale]

Or just run out and charge a caster

[next pasture]

i was wondering when you should do that

[onyx vessel]

Do the sidestep a bit jump charge

[vernal vale]

There are tons of oppertunities on all kinds of trash to get more charges in

[vernal vale]

this is the best

takes no extra effort actually but gets you the best results

takes a bit of practice

[onyx vessel]

I was doing that like a dick on gunker

[vernal vale]

gunker is my favorite charge boss

[onyx vessel]

Letting melee get hit

[vernal vale]

its so free to do

[onyx vessel]

[next pasture]

curator feels shitty for trying to charge

that hitbox is insane

[vernal vale]

Large hitboxes are awkward

[onyx vessel]

Leap charge

[vernal vale]

thats where watching for casts where the boss doesnt move or leap charging comes in

[onyx vessel]

Bounding stride

[sick sentinel]

Idk how can people play without bounding stride

[vernal vale]

I dont

[onyx vessel]

You dont need it tbh

[sick sentinel]

But its just soooo nice to have

[onyx vessel]

So is making tclap radius bigger tho

[mighty valley]

i'm getting lazy with so much haste, especially in junkyard

[vernal vale]

Junkyard you can just cook with grease and affix

Then it feels bad when you forget to swap the affix off verse and you die inside

[onyx vessel]

Welding bot bug

[sick sentinel]

I guess yeah but i will still take bounding over it

Personal preference i guess

[onyx vessel]

Shit falls off all the time

[mighty valley]

tclap radius is like... nothing, how often does it change what you hit really

[onyx vessel]

It mattered the most when tclap was worth hitting

[sick sentinel]

Thats why i have a weakaura that like yells at me to take haste

[vernal vale]

I don't want to resort to that but I might need to since I keep forgetting

[jagged ferry]

What Missives should I be puttin gon my legendaries, is it haste+vers?

[vernal vale]

For general use yeah

Haste crit if you are trying to be a parse monkey qith big damage

Which unless your already playing well you shouldn't do

[jagged ferry]

Thanks ^^

[sick sentinel]

I also have a weakaura thats yelling at me to LS + rally fleshcraft before putting the key

[onyx vessel]

Seems overkill

Both arent going to last you pulling anything

Obviously fleshcraft will

[waxen orbit]

@cinder nova

[onyx vessel]

UF user like @oblique garnet

[sick sentinel]

Cds reset

So u do ls rally fleshcraft put the key in

Rally ls cd reset*

Reset

And u have a 100k absorb

This trick makes first pack workshop so easy to solo

[onyx vessel]

Oh

Actual

[vernal vale]

100k absorb is solid and it can be bigger if you have a sigil to pop as well then swap trinkets.

[south zealot]

ran a key with bm havoc outlaw disc and prot warrior

comp

[waxen orbit]

Outlaw and prot are good picks

Everything else is suspect as hell

BM maybe fin

fine*

Havoc fine too but in conjunction with BM weird

[sick sentinel]

so you wold last stand -> rally -> sigil -> swap trinkets?

[urban portal]

last stand rally sigil fleshcraft swap

yeah

[dire tulip]

I just had my first 2 minute banner on a raid boss after picking up prot warrior and it feels so great to be able to do that for the first time

[sick sentinel]

had a prot warr in raid yesterday and his unity was bugged

cant play tanks in raid

in m+ tanks are giga fun

in raids its just 😴

unless youre progging mythic and bosses are actually scary

[icy flax]

I can never raid tank it's the most boring shit

[south zealot]

yeah idk how the fuck people do it

its actually so mind numbing

[ocean yoke]

if you dont have to think about the actual tanking part you can go full focus on talking nonsense

thats what i go for

[sick sentinel]

dont get me wrong tanking on prog is really fun

cause bosses do like 1/4 of ur hp with a single mele

melee

[icy flax]

i live to be beaten like a bitch as vdh

[south zealot]

doesnt seem fun to me

youre just getting smacked

healed

[icy flax]

but it's still boring in raid

[south zealot]

smacked

healed

[sick sentinel]

go press ur spiritbombs

[sick sentinel]

seems like u have to recast it cause after swapping the fleshcraft from sigil disappeared

[icy flax]

Sometimes i wanna not die to 1 mob so i expand my horizons to prot

[vernal vale]

Or just attempt to meme

[sick sentinel]

prot giga fun and quite strong

[ocean yoke]

its the best part

[vernal vale]

That it is

[clear sapphire]

Hows "" for us compared to ones with secondaries?

[south zealot]

bad

this dk in my guild kept trying to convince me that its good for prot warrior

kekw

[sick sentinel]

that seems like a hassle

[urban portal]

why would it be good for prot warrior

[sick sentinel]

im pressing 339 buttons per second already

[ocean yoke]

do those wrists have secondaries if you catalyze them?

[urban portal]

probably

also what even is 379 parry

like 10%?

[south zealot]

hovering over my stat

it says parry of 400 adds 12.82% parry

[sick sentinel]

crit haste i believe

[south zealot]

500*

so something like 9-10% yeah

[sick sentinel]

more haste than crit

[south zealot]

even so, we block melees

[urban portal]

god damn that shit is ass

[ocean yoke]

big

[urban portal]

10% hps vs melees only

for 110 secondaries

[toxic pewter]

so im watching some random brewmaster and hes self healing for 17k during pulls?? how are brm healing so much

[vernal vale]

Just throw those wrists in catalyst

[urban portal]

brm is op

[sick sentinel]

time to do world quests for artifact appearance

[urban portal]

is why

each keg smash heals for 66% of damage dealth

dealt

[ocean yoke]

the brew tier set is stupid strong

[toxic pewter]

jesus

i never knew they had self healing like that

[urban portal]

so on mass pulls

you just lay on hands every heal

every keg smash

also consider that purifying is NOT hps

so their real HPS is more

[toxic pewter]

while staggering and everything

jesus...

[vernal vale]

Sounds about right for monks

[south zealot]

bro some of the junkyard pulls

are like borderline illegal

i was doing 20k hps and healer was doing 15k hps on the zul gamux pull and i died lmao

[toxic pewter]

im over here bitching about bdk then i tune into some rando on twitc

and now im like what the fuck is going on here

[urban portal]

most tanks feel good rn

except vdh st

[icy flax]

vdh being shit makes up for it in how fun mass aoe is

[urban portal]

too bad not enough mass aoe dungs now

[sick sentinel]

idk i dont even want to imagine vdh vs zulgamox

[urban portal]

have to run the ST fiery brand build maybe

[sick sentinel]

[wintry nymph]

if i struggle keeping up banner, should i just go and practise that on a dummy? Cuz even mid combat i let it drop sometimes

[urban portal]

Yes

[clever heart]

hey, what stats do Prot warriors want to build these days ? for m+ 18-22 key range.
Wondering for both Kyrian & for Necrolord.
Which secondary is better for survivability vs which is more damage oriented.

i always assumed it would be haste verse but i have see sense doing alot of mastery i think.

[mighty valley]

haste is our best secondary but you just take the stats that come to you on your highest ilvl gear

[cinder storm]

He might be running whatever has dropped for him

[mighty valley]

necrolord is just better, for all content

[cinder storm]

Sense will play godlike regardless of his secondaries

[mighty valley]

if you really really really want to play kyrian despite it being worse, crit goes up in value a little

[jagged pier]

secondaries dont matter compared to strength

equip highest ilvl

[clever heart]

sorry to be more clear, I have 288+ for every piece. I am just trying to choose which secondary stat items to valor.
I know necro is better. Still curious which stat's we are supposed to prio & if it';s different for covenants.

item lvl doesnt matter for me its all the same. trying to optimize.

[mighty valley]

haste > whatever else

vers is best against burst but that only really matters in v v high keys

crit probably sims to most damage?

[cinder storm]

Being over 34% haste makes it super chill when it comes to banner uptime

[clever heart]

ok 🙂 so is there ever a time to build mastery ?

[ionic fern]

It's not different for covenants.
Haste > Vers=crit>Mastery

Point per point Crit is the best "defensive" stat as long as the damage is parryable, it's also one of the best offensive stats. It's unfortunately RNG.

[ionic fern]

No, there is no point/time in mindlessly stacking mastery.

[clever heart]

ok ty so much guys ! that was best answers i could hope for. reading all the info on wowhead post for s4 mythic plus rn again but hadnt found it still

[sick sentinel]

35% baseline + ows + bounty feels good

[lament shell]

into the fray sims a lot

so haste is good

[sick sentinel]

yeah in raids u take into the fray in keys ravager has more value

[clever heart]

does this proc off shield block ? if so wouldnt it be huge for prot warrior ?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[clever heart]

OOF ! thats sad

is it still good shield for prot or not really

[sick sentinel]

not huge but shield's a shield

[clever heart]

ok so its only better if it's an item lvl upgrade it sounds like

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-and-pam-yes-gif-21499107

[open bluff]

all about that tier set, just like blood's trash without theirs

[clever heart]

lol jakey likes his mems

memes

[lament shell]

yo prot healing gets crazy sometimes

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-ok-cafe-peki-peki-iyiymiş-aynen-gif-24016963

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[jagged pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/801876810261463041.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[fervent axle]

https://tenor.com/view/its-always-sunny-gif-8652834

[blazing condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[jagged pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997087406626975744/chatting.gif

[strong forum]

It only procs once per minute

[onyx vessel]

If you healing alot cuz you arent blocking enough

[dawn canyon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[vernal rune]

is there a max duration for shield block buff?

[sweet summit]

3x base duration

with bolster talented and last stand active that cap is removed

[lament shell]

Iron docks is probably the best dungeon for warrior

Imo

Streets is the worst

Imo

[oblique garnet]

Grimrail

[dawn canyon]

grimrail is shit for camera

docks isnt

[lament shell]

Ye grimrail is nice too

[brisk sparrow]

kara made me realize how insane aoe stops were back in legion, combined with crazy aoe burst

[lament shell]

Shockwave is bis

[clever heart]

so banner grants to 3 closest just once cast. it doesnt matter if they move out of range 30 seconds later while buff is s till going ?

[strong forum]

It applies its buff for 15sec on those 3 players, once they have their buff it doesn't matter where you go they'll keep it for the full 15sec

[clever heart]

OOO they only get the buff for 15 seconds. I thought they kept it the entire duration that we keep it up. omg no wonder its not as broken as i thought

i feel dumb

[strong forum]

Only extends the duration on you, not on your allies. Otherwise you'd see nothing but pwars everywhere lol

Perma 400 mastery on 3 targets would be a bit overpowered

[clever heart]

lol ya thats why i was confused people didnt want that buff more. ok ty ty

[lament shell]

You can refresh it before every boss pull for demo lock and fire mage

[zealous willow]

Demo warlocks love ur hp shout too

[covert topaz]

Quick Q. Any of you use a spell reflect announcer wa?

or what do you use for that? sick of people kicking when I have SR up 😄

[brisk sparrow]

I mostly reflect late and hope for the best tbh 😄

[brisk sparrow]

still wondering if I should rebanner on cd because of that, even if I can extend it further for myself

[strong forum]

You can for your group if it won't fuck over your own banner uptime over the boss/key

Gotta know where its safe to use

[empty spindle]

guys

what do you take

for the bounty buffs

[drifting fable]

haste

[empty spindle]

and why haste and not vers

[lament shell]

Dont you feel tanky enough?

[sweet summit]

2% haste per stack is better than 1% vers per stack

at most you'll get like 10% DR at the end of the dungeon if you take vers

compared to the multiplicative nature of haste enhancing the value the more of it you have

and how haste interacts with our toolkit

[lament shell]

Ye blizz had to make vers 1% else only vers would be the choice in keys

[cinder otter]

How much of a difference will it making tanking keys if I replace my 252 shield for like a 298 or 304 one?

[empty spindle]

I know it was haste

just had to get some other opinions because i was speaking with my tank about it

[lament shell]

Vers stat 🛌

[sweet summit]

i don't think a single tank is taking vers

[lament shell]

Monk maybe?

[sweet summit]

they take crit

[brittle owl]

vdh

[lament shell]

Monk is either crit or vers

[sweet summit]

and haste in jy

[brittle owl]

v stands for versatility

versatility demon hunter

vdh

[lament shell]

What is a veng

[brittle owl]

there is no veng

only vers

[sweet summit]

the n in maelkenar stands for noob

[lament shell]

Wth

🦒

[brittle owl]

the erg in erga stands for sperg

excuse the toxicity i just got irradiated ☢️

you're all going down with me

[sweet summit]

[empty spindle]

also what cov do you guys go

[drifting fable]

necrolord

[brittle owl]

p sure necro is gg

necro finally being relevant after 1.5 years

[drifting fable]

[empty spindle]

fucken aye

show me your soulbind trees lads

😄

[brittle owl]

doesnt change the fact the mog is ass

[drifting fable]

think the top marileth bind on subcreation is pretty much the standard

alternate safeguard for inspiring on preference

[sweet summit]

either of these are fine

FbV > CAS in trash heavy dungeons

[empty spindle]

and what leggo do you use

seismic?

[sweet summit]

can also potentially swap SG for CAS/FbV in the marileth one if the extra CDR does nothing for you

reprisal

[empty spindle]

whatever happened to trying to do more dmg

[sweet summit]

100% banner uptime with reprisal

idk how feasible that is with seismic

[drifting fable]

you do more damage with reprisal if played correctly

[jagged pier]

its not really

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

Seismic is hardly more dmg than reprisal in real scenarios

[lament shell]

Reprisal is super fun trust its engaging minigame

[strong forum]

With seismic it's very hard to keep up Banner and you need to pull specifically around it, not worth the hassle for 1-2k dps

[mellow bridge]

shield is by far the most important slot

so it will be a pretty big diff

[lament shell]

Ye but you dying doesnt mean its because of low ilvl shield

😆

[cinder otter]

I’m just asking if it’ll make a difference

[lament shell]

yes it will

[cinder otter]

Thanks

[strong forum]

A 252 shield mitigates like 20% dmg with block

A 304 will be like 42%

It's quite significant

[lament shell]

Does anyone sim 15k here on st?

My bdk friends sim like 16k

But i gues its gavel +3k dps on sims we dont have that

[sweet summit]

gavel abusers detected
sim dps rejected

[lament shell]

Hahaha

[sweet summit]

i'll rum a sim in a sec

see where i'm at

my trinkets are kinda dogshit tho

[empty spindle]

thanks for your advice guys

[lament shell]

Sec my sim is 13k

[blazing condor]

Jor welcome

[lament shell]

😆

[lofty widget]

i sim 12.5k but obv thats higher in a real scenario

[jagged pier]

i sim 14k

[lament shell]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/njdPS9m1Hfdoc2xCJFwHZD

All buffs and into the fray

But we do more dmg the longer the execute phase is so sim isnt 100% true

[dawn canyon]

what a name

[lament shell]

Was massivecocks before that

Got mass reported unfortenetly

[sweet summit]

real normal

[blazing condor]

most normal prot warrior

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1BmNdrroV3yh6p3AavjVPL

not to flex on yall or anything

[sweet summit]

that's crazy

[lament shell]

Panda = win

[prisma dove]

how can i catch up on conduits?

[dawn canyon]

10k flux

[lament shell]

Do normal raid or 10k flux

[sweet summit]

you can buy a full set of 278 conduits for 10k flux in zerith mortis

[prisma dove]

ah, thats cool thanks

any rep requirement?

[lament shell]

No

Nothing just 10k flux

[sweet summit]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ikPk1HkpadtFsiKDqUYZoR

close

xd

[lament shell]

Bruh you cheat with sinful

[sweet summit]

ofc i can :v)

[drifting fable]

is it ZM? or i think 10k is from your weird covenant vendor in like the center of the zones

[lament shell]

Yes

[sweet summit]

yeah it's actually the funny covenant vendors

[jagged pier]

oof just a bit more than me

[lament shell]

Big dps trinkets

[sweet summit]

scars fuck good

[jagged pier]

scars is huge even at 285

[drifting needle]

Not had any variant of scars, handy enough to use?

[oblique garnet]

You guys are simming?

[sweet summit]

only thing to keep in mind is the bleed from 3rd rune breaks invis pots
1st rune also adds a bit of extra damage taken throughout a dungeon so would not use it in very high keys

[drifting needle]

Nice. Holding onto my dinar still for next week in hope of getting some trinkets before using 😅

[lament shell]

Smart

But youll have 2 next week 🤔

[drifting needle]

Nah I multi tank our mythic raids so missed first CN on warr entirely 😢

[cinder jackal]

Can anyone recommend any prot warrior streams to watch?

[sick sentinel]

question that i asked here last night and didnt get good answer to

after opera lower

does tank need to go pull shit behind the door in that room

[cinder jackal]

I'm fed up queuing as DPS forever (I don't have a fixed group so pug), so have picked up the board to help me out...

[sick sentinel]

happened twice, pulled like 3 rooms of shit it felt like and instantly wiped us

claimed something about a spell, and it's true lowers been changed, i believe something about so you can't just jump over balcony any more

if these guys are being fucking morons i want to know for sure so i don't have to go through it any more

so i can just leave instantly when they do it

can someone explain why tank would say wants to go alone, goes like 5 rooms ahead comes back 20 mobs and we wipe

[sweet summit]

Q: Protection Warrior streamers?
A:
Plka: https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
Tattman: https://www.twitch.tv/tattman
Nomeratur: https://www.twitch.tv/nomeratur
Sense: https://www.twitch.tv/snse
Late: https://www.twitch.tv/latett2

[worldly dust]

Are there tweaks for the camera that helps in places like lower/depot? Or do you just suck it up and move the camera around to face you?

[strong forum]

Top down view

[worldly dust]

yeah that's what I typically do but sometimes there are beams or some shit and it really gets fucking bonkers.

Think right in the start of depot it's like that in some corners.

[strong forum]

Community hand picked dungeon btw

[worldly dust]

lol

[strong forum]

Surely the community can't be wrong, it was democracy!

[worldly dust]

but like do any of the camera settings make a difference really?

I think I have it set to never auto adjust

[uneven mason]

Some how the troll pick got grabbed.

[minor helm]

Yeah somehow like it wasn’t a softball tee up

[hardy snow]

Which one is best "IF" ring from mechagon's pair? Is it three different abilites used or something else?

[chrome falcon]

3 abilities

[cinder jackal]

Thank you!

[cinder jackal]

Just like Brexit

[sudden shell]

Could turn on action cam if still works lol

[worldly dust]

I went into cvar settings and changed a couple things. See how it goes.

Had some really old raid settings in that shit still

[sudden shell]

Yea anywhere I can't use max camera distance sucks

[sick sentinel]

not as important if your range

or small like gnome

really nice to see that fort week is cancer for dps as well as tank

i can say that for sure

[oblique garnet]

when was i added does this mean i now have to start streaming

[onyx vessel]

jakey not streamer smh

[sweet summit]

i added you myself to force u to stream

[onyx vessel]

blackmailed late

[sick sentinel]

i am how you say, too stupid, to be a streamer

i'd get cancelled over something

[onyx vessel]

if you want quality pwarr stream @strong forum best asmr keyboard

[sick sentinel]

chain depleting my 14 lower into a 7 lower before it completes (over time of course, so its even lower now) has me all kinds of mald right now can't lie

[onyx vessel]

[sick sentinel]

i dunno, isn't enjoyable find having to attempt a dungeon 7 times and each time it depletes cuz the healer farted in the wrong spot or the hunter dropped his contacts

[delicate kraken]

Nahhh

Don't live in other peoples delusions

[wild hemlock]

howd our changes look yesterday? looks like nerfs on class tree quite a bit

we did have an op tree though lmao

[jagged pier]

#997237573514690620

[sick sentinel]

"Demon Hunters Not Yet Prepared" har har blizzard

[wild hemlock]

interesting jakey

[onyx vessel]

streamer when

[jagged pier]

new pc came today

so maybe soon

expect i have no time to set it up till the weekend

so still raiding on 1 graphic

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

[onyx vessel]

5fps gamer like me

[jagged pier]

[tropic gorge]

Lol. 1440 max settings rtx on high. Lowest fps I've seen in a raid is 102

[dawn canyon]

With new PC maybe new Unit frames Mr Jakey

[onyx vessel]

wow nice dick flex

[tropic gorge]

pulls it out

[jagged pier]

i've already saved addon folder

MY UI WILL NEVER DIE

until its DF

[dawn canyon]

Zpearl must die

[jagged pier]

and i use mostly blizz ui

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-oh-shit-a-am-sorry-gachimuchi-gif-13510847

[tropic gorge]

What ui do you run? I run elvui

[dawn canyon]

His is uh

An experience

[jagged pier]

uh

old

addons

because

[dawn canyon]

Talking like wotlk old

[jagged pier]

my ui isnt out of place in classic servers

[tropic gorge]

My keybinds and overall setup Carey over from vanilla

Some things have been adjusted for current changes etc. But overall it's almost the same since way tf back when

[dawn canyon]

Charge on 1 since i started wow

[tropic gorge]

Lmao

Mines a mouse side button. Been that way since.... Well yeah

[strong forum]

How

Highest fps I get in raid is 70

[tropic gorge]

I9 10900k, rtx 3080 32 gb ram

[strong forum]

Same?

[tropic gorge]

5.1 on all cores using a big ass aio cooler

[strong forum]

I9 9900k @5ghz 3080ti and 32gb ram @3600mhz

[timber nest]

pog

[tropic gorge]

And I used the Nvidia tool to oc the gpu

[strong forum]

Gpu does nothing for wow

Not a whole lot*

[dawn canyon]

[tropic gorge]

It does when rtx is on!

[strong forum]

Rtx does nothing in wow

[tropic gorge]

Hehehe

[strong forum]

Except eat fps

[tropic gorge]

It's a slight visual change. Like spear of bastion lighting up stuff and throwing shadows, etc

[prisma dove]

how much Shield Slam gives rage with The Wall and Outburst? (15+5) * 3=60 or 15 * 3+5=50 ?

[tropic gorge]

Spells can be a light source and little things. Is it worth it? Maybe maybe not. It's not if your fps flattens in a combat chaos situation

[strong forum]

50

[uneven mason]

Because spear needs to obscure stuff more

[strong forum]

Outburst only calcs with the base spell

[tropic gorge]

Lmao no shit

[strong forum]

Any other increase is just an addition after outburst

[onyx vessel]

Me who gets 5-10 fps

[tropic gorge]

Nom you on win10 or 11? Pre-built machine? Self assembled?
It's odd our performance is wildly different when we have pc's within 10 percent output of each other

[strong forum]

10,self built

[tropic gorge]

The only difference really is I'm on 11.

[strong forum]

WAs are clean, addons are clean

[tropic gorge]

Our gpu are roughly 10 percent off from the ti to non ti

[strong forum]

Logs is clean

[onyx vessel]

Nomeratur do you get 70 while streaming?

[strong forum]

In keys I get like 90 while streaming

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

In raid uuuh

Less

[onyx vessel]

Who streams raid

[strong forum]

Well I will again

Good bants

[tropic gorge]

I wouldn't think the scheduler in 11 is that much more improved than 10. Pc stuff is weird

[onyx vessel]

And keyboard asmr

[strong forum]

I forgot to fix nvidia broadcast

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/gachipride-gachi-gif-21768262

[strong forum]

Keyboard asmr should tone down if I remember to do it

[onyx vessel]

Mic placement helps

[tropic gorge]

Not having blue switches also helps reduce asmr

I think it's blues that are super ckicky loud

[onyx vessel]

If you were playing another spec no keyboard noises

Hit 1 button

[strong forum]

I like loud keyboard

And my mic is facing away from the keyboard

It's just that loud of a keyboard

If I didn't have any compression or bad placement it would be alot louder, trust me

[oblique garnet]

🙏 My mic doesnt pic up keyboard

[onyx vessel]

[oblique garnet]

on discord

[lament shell]

I play prot warrior and use push to talk

[chrome falcon]

Insanity

[lament shell]

Yep

[dawn canyon]

I have unmute/mute on alt M

Aka i dont talk in raid

[lament shell]

Mine ptt is just Alt

[vapid lynx]

I mute myself when I play Pwar for my guild in raid, especially when I convince the priest to PI me during execute

[lament shell]

Execute is the chill phase

[shut summit]

v for ptt

[tropic gorge]

Tilde key is my ptt

~

[onyx vessel]

V for taunt

[icy flax]

V is for naught

[lament shell]

V is good you either jump or press ptt

[bitter shell]

hey, whats the name of the website u can see how many % tanks uses a certain trinket and that?

like gear in general

[chrome falcon]

Taunt goes on T bud

[south zealot]

g is for taunt

my t is so troll

its legit my mount

[trail minnow]

Subcreation does that

[south zealot]

https://mplus.subcreation.net/

[bitter shell]

thanks!!!

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-a-homie-kiss-smack-gif-17593938

[cobalt seal]

pls dont use that

or at least know how to filter the results you get

[urban bane]

Nah nah. Taunt on shift+s

[south zealot]

EWWW

[sonic tangle]

Mouse button 4 for taunt 😤

[tropic gorge]

Taunt is 4 on my bar

Shield wall is 5.

Lol

Shift 2 is now sexecute. I got tired of trying to click it

[dawn canyon]

taunt is t

[strong forum]

Subcreation is extremely misleading for tanks and healers

Consume in caution

[tropic gorge]

Tbh I'm still using heroic lvl aegis

[south zealot]

this is true

[onyx vessel]

reactive + ows

[tropic gorge]

I could use some random af trinket for ilvl push. But the aegis is so good

[onyx vessel]

[tropic gorge]

I kinda think it's redic that s1/s2 items are still useful near the end of an xpack. I don't really like that design choice or whatever it would be called

[dawn canyon]

🤷‍♂️ thats been the case every so often

[sudden shell]

I run around with earthbreaker kinda fun till get trinkets I want

[south zealot]

still using this too lol

[tropic gorge]

That's one of the only upgrades I'd do with my aegis

[urban portal]

its just the way aegis scales with pull count

its absurd

[tropic gorge]

I considered looking to see if any pug mythic runs might go down over the weekend and try to get one

[strong forum]

Blame Blizzard for being awful at designing tank trinkets

Like

A tank trinket is only ever good if its overpowered as fuck

Otherwise you shouldn't/wouldnt run them

[charred moat]

in a mythic plus how shield block uptime must be?

[south zealot]

blocked hits matters

shield block uptime doesnt

[dawn canyon]

your blocked hits should be as high as possible

[strong forum]

Blocked hits is what matters, but if you play really well you can get as much as 90% uptime

Source: me

[late geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[sudden shell]

Gotta run out for those charges

[charred moat]

yeah my problem is that dont spam charge too much

so boring as legendary

[sudden shell]

Shock wave , charge or just pay attention every caster mob and abuse them

[strong forum]

Good reprisal usage is key

[south zealot]

they deserve the abuse

for absolutely blasting me whenever they can

[sudden shell]

Intervene then charge back is ight to

[strong forum]

It's the single biggest increase in survivability

Good reprisal usage

[sudden shell]

Ye gotta remember charge into packs instead of face pullz when possible

[charred moat]

i tanked a 25 gambit but some dmg was insane

always done 2-3 packs

never died anyway

[sudden shell]

Warrior single target really up there isn't it :?

[strong forum]

2nd best

[charred moat]

but my shield block uptime is 65%

[strong forum]

Only bdk does more

Cuz gavel

[sand egret]

if only wrath of azshara was game

perma execute

[hazy edge]

Execute go brrr

[strong forum]

Huntsman is even better execute

[sudden shell]

We can run gavel + weapon swap cheese :() lol 😂 making stuff up or 🧐

[strong forum]

[strong forum]

Can't use shieldslam with 2h

[dawn canyon]

well gl pressing SB or SS without a shield

oh and if u swap off gavel

buff goes away

[strong forum]

Also you don't get devastator procs with a 2h,or get reprisal value

[sand egret]

but you'll look cool

[south zealot]

youll look dead asf

[dawn canyon]

gavel is a bad tmog item

[sudden shell]

Guys I'm a blood dk hold my shield

Blood all over floor from getting shit beat out of you

[sand egret]

yep. cold and dead.

[south zealot]

bruh we arent gonna 2 chest this jy

bc healer keeps fucking dying

[sudden shell]

Maybe going have intervene then at key moments loool

Still dies

It great when you run a key and can tell if someone has no idea what is going on

Then gotta go raid leader mode and type out what to do 🙂

[south zealot]

nvm we still got it

damn we got recursion and synergy to drop

gaming

[shut summit]

sludge this week was lit too

[south zealot]

kyr priest 2.2k overall

[dawn canyon]

our friend complained "man we inted this key so hard - 10 deaths only +2 the 27 JY"

[sudden shell]

Junkyard is great 👍 free key lvl bump

[oblique garnet]

This is why we hate priests

[sudden shell]

But pee 👁️

[south zealot]

i didnt get pi

should i send my lower or reroll

[sudden shell]

Send it

Unless ran one this week experience the changes lol

[oblique garnet]

If PI brings 8k extra dps sure

But unless your comp has warlocks/firemage its not worth

[lament shell]

Fo this you tell ppl to stopp dps on 20%?

[hazy edge]

Nope

[oblique garnet]

No

[hazy edge]

Just spamming execute

[oblique garnet]

[lament shell]

Water fuck

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/lyJtqOR.png

didnt even get to execute him during pillar

died between 3 and 4

[lusty tiger]

Wtf

[oblique garnet]

Its fine 🙂

We dont have gavel that is turbo broken or cache so its just gonna fly under the radar

[lusty tiger]

There aren’t more than a handful of prot abusers

Just burn and bury those logs tyvm

[lusty tiger]

Nice 4:20 kill

[idle tartan]

Guys, how much better is blood then prot these days for m+ ?
I realy enjoy prot more, but difficult to invest in him, when i know back in my mind that blood is better.

[oblique garnet]

If you are gigagamer prot does around the same as bdk

You have to work harder tho

And there are some things you cant do like cheesing the entire mana devourer in upper

[tropic gorge]

I think dk does better Against magic attacks. But I think war is better for everything else

But I'm very biased

[urban portal]

Not until you have 90% parry

[oblique garnet]

Either way

Both need no healer attention at all tho

[urban portal]

Yeah on dk you get globalled

If you can’t death strike

[lusty tiger]

I think prot war utility is better I feel like I have more control

[urban portal]

The U word

[lusty tiger]

Iv, rallying, bshout, aoe stun, aoe fear

[lament shell]

death grip is probably the most broken spell in the game

[lusty tiger]

Dk just has gorfiends

[oblique garnet]

On both tanks you are completely in control if you live or die

Also you never play IV

[lusty tiger]

Well

[urban portal]

Iv is also just budget death strike

[oblique garnet]

No

[lusty tiger]

On boss mechanics

You can help a brother out

With or without conduit

[urban portal]

You mean intervene?

[oblique garnet]

Oh intervene

[urban portal]

No one calls it iv

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[lusty tiger]

Sowwy

[oblique garnet]

IV is a talent competing with indomitable

[lusty tiger]

Ohh

Nonexistent in my world

[mortal brook]

you guys get utility?

[lusty tiger]

Nah

Just sb

[tropic gorge]

Fear is probably my favorite thing

[lament shell]

hahaha

[urban portal]

Eh

[lament shell]

fear capped

[urban portal]

Fear is just a kick

[tropic gorge]

Esp when people freak tf out when I use it

[oblique garnet]

You have vortex right

[mortal brook]

so does every druid

[tropic gorge]

Yeah the cap makes it meh. And I use it, or try to use it as an extra kick when I can

[vernal vale]

Sometimes they just overture shit

[oblique garnet]

Yeah and you dont see ferals or boomies in keys

[mortal brook]

theres bears in keys?

[urban portal]

Eh

[lament shell]

🤣

[lusty tiger]

Yea my +2 junkyards

They do 100k pulls

[urban portal]

Aegis is balanced in low target/st

[tropic gorge]

I dislike druids. I feel that bears are stupid easy to play

[urban portal]

Just gets crazy in aoe

[mortal brook]

p sure im like, rank 10 bear or something dumb and that's rank 17000 tank

[oblique garnet]

[lusty tiger]

U want to speedrun +2 jy bring bears and warriors

[mortal brook]

jk, but my exaggeration isnt much of an exaggeration

[lusty tiger]

Pain

[mortal brook]

gonna be half a dozen keys behind the other 5 tanks just like last season

ty for the tier nerfs btw

[oblique garnet]

Change it by yourself

Be the change you want to see

[mortal brook]

bro. i literally

[lusty tiger]

I think guardian meta is with other tanks

[mortal brook]

take a vdh to my runs for when incarn is down

lfg

[lament shell]

dud the dh tree has almost all veng spell in it

[tropic gorge]

I think bears are way too powerful. Just my opinion

When the m+ race happened in s2, iirc all top 10 teams were bear tanks

To me, that said something very loud

[dawn canyon]

M+ race?

TGP or mdi

[tropic gorge]

Mdi I think

Been a minute

[dawn canyon]

Well mdi it was for tripple shard

Rest was vdh

[mellow bridge]

Bear was not played much at all in mdi

And TGP was a mix of bear and paladin

Not like it matters for their state right now

They desperately need buffs

[tropic gorge]

Paladins can be stupid strong when done right. But damn druids just. Fml

Push thrash. Win. Or something lol

[spiral warren]

Bear is based

[mighty valley]

Bear has had a huge fall from grace since then

[spiral warren]

Bear is funniest tank in gambit and it ain’t even close

[oblique garnet]

Yeah sure in the beginning and then you just

[dawn canyon]

The tripple shard halls

Is the most based pull

Of the entire expansion

[urban portal]

So true

[spiral warren]

It was honestly super sick key with uhr

[mortal brook]

you mean the mdis where 5 tanks were played throughout it and the one missing was bear?

[spiral warren]

Incarn pre pull into huge uhr pull with second incarn

[mortal brook]

and how the good covenant got straight nuked 2 weeks after they found out it was good?

[oblique garnet]

Oh yeah urh is gone now

so bear stonks even worse

[toxic pewter]

its actually sad what happened to bear and bdk got zero nerfs like bear got

[urban portal]

Which cov got nuked

[spiral warren]

Yeah No uhr really hurts bear

[mortal brook]

kyrian

[urban portal]

Oh yeah

[dawn canyon]

Kyr bear was based

[mellow bridge]

How bdk evaded nerfs still eludes me

[mortal brook]

cuz boomies whined

[urban portal]

Though that’s mainly for other ppl

[toxic pewter]

these dreadlords should give a bit of cdr

[mellow bridge]

Just crazy to think about

[oblique garnet]

Man i really hope gavel just takes the nerf

And people will mald

im gonna be so happy

[dawn canyon]

I like how they work rn

[mortal brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301753086181377/1011916022330175528/unknown.png

[urban portal]

Nerf gavel buff dps 2h

[mortal brook]

wym this doesnt need nerfed

[toxic pewter]

yah they are totally fine, but would be fun if they were like mini urh's

[dawn canyon]

Ehh

[oblique garnet]

Thats fine

[dawn canyon]

Theyre cool as is

[toxic pewter]

ya, they are

[oblique garnet]

If they didnt do that they would die

[toxic pewter]

how does gavel even work anyway? does it summon a mob you literally target and kill?

[mortal brook]

yes

then you get one of 5 buffs

[toxic pewter]

like can you aoe it down

[mortal brook]

no, explosive rules

[toxic pewter]

i see

how hard is it to kill and others cant see it right

[mortal brook]

but you just let your udk buddy kill it for you cuz they get big 4 piece boost from doing so

[dawn canyon]

You let the BDK or Uhdk do it

[dawn canyon]

It's oneshot, like an explosive

[toxic pewter]

oh gotcha

[dawn canyon]

Other gavel owners can see it

[mortal brook]

any gaveluser can see the ghosts and kill em

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[mortal brook]

and theres WA or platers that isolate your own ghost

[toxic pewter]

thats actually kinda cool i wont lie

[oblique garnet]

Garbage weapon

[dawn canyon]

Gavelhaver UHDK wants u to keep urs alive

[toxic pewter]

XD

[dawn canyon]

So they proc tier off of it

[mortal brook]

gavel isnt what is making bdk busted tho

[dawn canyon]

It's very very swingy

[toxic pewter]

wait its unique equipped right? fury doesnt use 2 surely

[oblique garnet]

It is what is making bdk damage busted

[dawn canyon]

Sooo much damage man

[dawn canyon]

Just 1 yea

[toxic pewter]

would be no point to use 2 they share a cd right

[mortal brook]

are you sure it isnt the massive str multipliers that are always up?

[toxic pewter]

ok

[oblique garnet]

I mean warriors have that too

[dawn canyon]

One boon is 500 str yea

[toxic pewter]

500 str holy shit

[mortal brook]

and never taking damage so the healer gets to pump too

[lusty tiger]

Oh wtf

[toxic pewter]

how long these last

[mortal brook]

1m per 4m

[tropic gorge]

500 str is straight sex

Yes please

[toxic pewter]

dang

[tropic gorge]

Imagine the blocks

[lusty tiger]

100k+ ss

[oblique garnet]

This is banner which is roughly 500 str on my gear

But the fact that gavel also does ridiculous amount of damage is just dumb

[mortal brook]

I Mean It's Okay

a key its closer to 10%

[lusty tiger]

Pretty low ss damage there

[dawn canyon]

The top Andy log from 9.2

[mortal brook]

tru i have very poor uptime

[dawn canyon]

Has 5 Million damage in gavel

From the fury warrior

[toxic pewter]

rotting decay is a buff from gavel i take it?

[dawn canyon]

[mortal brook]

one of 5

[dawn canyon]

There's 5

That's a bad one

[toxic pewter]

yes

[mortal brook]

a single target stacking debuff