protection

[blazing condor]

With that said a high parse is still a high parse so youre still relatively better than others

[oblique garnet]

I would be so ready for it

Fuck bdks

They have it too good already

[dawn canyon]

would also kill dps warrior

so maybe just delete str bonus from their set

:)

[strong forum]

I would also be ready, gavel sends bdk dmg literally into overdrive

So dumb

[plush tendon]

Better idea; let prot warriors use 2h in their main hand like fury

[vocal bison]

Yes plz

[rotund frigate]

I still think Prot should be able to use a 2 hander and a shield

[sonic crag]

let us use two shield

[vocal bison]

As long as they make a decapitate or head pop attack with two shields.

[strong forum]

Just make gavel be a weapon that can assume the form of a 1h or 2h

Ez fix

[vernal vale]

God damn vampire lol

[strong forum]

[vernal vale]

My shield is so bad. I'm debating buying LOD shield next week and just taking it to heroic and someday when I get another 19 mythic kills ill have the 311

Granted by the time I do that the season will be over so do I care and just chase tarrague and skolex mythic shields

[plush tendon]

I’d say not worth: lots of shields every week to get

Though the mythic skolex shield matches my mog

[vernal vale]

I have the 291 vigilant one but I hate the shield because no stats

[plush tendon]

You can also get one from m+

I feel like there are better things to get with dinar; but idk if it’s different for prot only

[vernal vale]

I've had shit luck on that and I fully expect the garbage mechagon shield lol

[plush tendon]

Spent my first one on gavel

[vernal vale]

My first dinar went right to OWS

[plush tendon]

Next is OWS

[vernal vale]

Next is RDM if I don't get it next week

That leaves my third as the hard pick.

I thought about going full parse monkey and getting sigil or SFA

It's not like I'm struggling to survive

[sonic crag]

I find myself DPSing like 5% of the time, so I'll likely go Gavel 3rd week. Or the LOD shield for tmog cause I've never gotten it.

[vernal vale]

Won't lie transmog is part of my temptation om shield

If I wasn't full committed to prot I would be tempted to buy a gavel

[sonic crag]

Honestly mate, it's a fun season. You could not touch your character since season 3, be at 278 and be perfectly fine for going into Dragonflight.

[vernal vale]

Definitely could.

[sonic crag]

Optimize all you want, but none of this will matter in like 2 1/2 months

The 3rd dinar is my only decision. I don't care about having the Gavel for max DPS this season. My guild knows I am a tank and if I am DPSing a key to set expectations low. But the LOD shield tmog is a real thing lol

and that has more value to me than any numbers upgrade

[south zealot]

im gonna wait to buy my stiff

stuff

might get the trinkets i want from SOD

if i get rdm or aegis or jaithys

ill be gaming

[plush tendon]

Yea, my last dinar prob gonna go towards tmog

[sick sentinel]

hell no for me

[plush tendon]

All I know is that the two things I wanted from this season was OWS and gavel

[ionic roost]

Just curious, is there such a thing as too much haste for m+? In some gear sets I'm at ~1400 rating

[vernal vale]

It's a fun season at least that is kind of cool in giving us options.

[echo egret]

Upper Kara, the mob with the flaming floor, is it worth killing it or just invis ?

[vernal vale]

No

[plush tendon]

I’m pretty sure no

[vernal vale]

More haste

[lofty widget]

no cap on haste

[sick sentinel]

cuz you'll be able to 5 man mythic sanctum and EoE and like 2-3 man CN (all listed/implied on mythic)

[vernal vale]

Affix makes haste better

[sick sentinel]

in DF

and then solo in whatever comes past DF

[plush tendon]

But I need the tmog now

[lofty widget]

you could, but i dont think it's worth it

doesnt do the slide attack anymore, which is what made it so toxic

[sick sentinel]

i that god dman anumberwhateverthefuck mage thing swordon mythic

is red and orange and stars

[ionic roost]

With how our kills went last night, you probably can 3-5 man heroic and 10 man mythic

[sick sentinel]

and seethough, perfect mog item for mage fire

[ionic roost]

With geared competent players

[plush tendon]

Daddy d was a pain last night

Dps too high, kept wiping to p1 XD

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

Or that stupid dispel thing

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

I was also on the phone the whole time so….

[ionic roost]

Solo tanked Sire on heroic and normal last night, really only about the same DTPS as Rygelon mythic

[plush tendon]

Yea, heroic falls over; it’s really just getting people motivated to do anything more

That’s the real affix this season

[ionic roost]

Yea, we had to pug 4 people cause of the PoE affix

For mythic

And even then probably could have 16 manner it

Stuff died like in 2-3 minutes

Essentially did a 4 man boost tbh

[plush tendon]

Should’ve got paid

[ionic roost]

Should have just looked for buyers

[plush tendon]

That’s what my guild does now…. Boosts all day everyday

I blame the stay at home dads

[jagged pier]

well i mean was suspected that mythic bosses would just fall over with the scaling of the season tbh

like its only as hard as a new heroic raid would be in terms of damage needed

[blazing condor]

I think its entirely fine that the tier is easy

[plush tendon]

Oh 100%

[ionic roost]

Well they nerfed them 5% on the week everyone Dinars a bis item and gains 20 ilvls

[blazing condor]

Weve done it already

No one wants to reclear old content at the same rate

[ionic roost]

For some reason

[plush tendon]

Easy tier ftw

[jagged pier]

the next tier they need to be easier is DF season 1 tbh

it cant be another Spelcher and but it cant be another EN

[ionic roost]

I want another highmaul

Complete optional route

Gigga tough patchwork optional route boss

[plush tendon]

I want a 8 boss raid

[ionic roost]

So highmaul

[jagged pier]

i just want a fun raid

[ionic roost]

So highmaul

[jagged pier]

brf was more fun that highmaul

[ionic roost]

Idk, blast furnace was in there

[plush tendon]

Blast furnace was a pain

[ionic roost]

That's like 3rd all time worst fight

[plush tendon]

But like everything else was pretty good

[ionic roost]

True, train man, fire doggies, hole slammer, boat thrower, summersaulter,

[plush tendon]

So confirmed, we waiting for classic wod?

[ionic roost]

WoD was a banger expansion

[jagged pier]

i would raid until hrf in wod

[ionic roost]

For raiding

[jagged pier]

u can just raid log in it

[swift galleon]

hi folks, like how are u using ur legy. Are you stunning running away an charge or do you try to charge a range attacker add?

[drifting fable]

both

[jagged pier]

just walk out

[chrome falcon]

Both

[jagged pier]

as well

[chrome falcon]

^

[ionic roost]

Leapcharging

[plush tendon]

Leap charge, walk away and charge, stun charge, intervene charge, charge next pack

Lots of ways; just need to be creative

[jagged pier]

intervene charge no

wasted revenge proc

[swift galleon]

the problem im seeing is when playing with mates using small AE effect and im just like "ok guys i just gonna pull them outa there cuz i need to trigger my legy"

[jagged pier]

your over thinking the leggo

[plush tendon]

That’s a stun charge move or a leap charge

[dry shard]

How is the aegis trinket for prot, decent?

[plush tendon]

Mobs won’t move that much and you won’t cuck your hunter and have to hear ‘my wild spiiiiirts’

[jagged pier]

great if your pushing @dry shard

[dry shard]

Appreciate it

[uncut dome]

What setup of trinkets would you recomend for pushing Keys?

[drifting fable]

OWS and RDM are both pretty good offensively, aegis is a great defensive pick

[jagged pier]

ows+ aegis or ows + rdm or rdm + aegis

dependant on key and level

etc etc

[swift galleon]

Ok ty

[elder mesa]

is haste vers the goto stats atm for prot warr?

[drifting fable]

haste >> vers=crit > mastery

vers if you want tankiness crit if you want damage

[elder mesa]

alright

is the cos ring worth farming?

[drifting fable]

not for us

mechagon rings are better

[elder mesa]

recursion and haste i guess?

[waxen orbit]

Bro holy shit I really did stoke the nest

[drifting fable]

ye

[waxen orbit]

People don’t know it’s a shitpost copypasta

[drifting fable]

lol it is twitter tbf

asking alot

[sweet summit]

twitter demon...

[mortal brook]

reminds me of

[strong forum]

I can never tell when jet is shit posting or not

[mortal brook]

memes based on experience

best of both worlds

[drifting fable]

where is the lie

[undone verge]

I love when a healer complains about mana when I pull a dreadlord and they have 40% mana

[tropic gorge]

I mean, that's not exactly wrong lmao

[waxen orbit]

Okay but like

It’s a good copypasta bro

[waxen orbit]

I run with a restodruid who never goes oom and just drinks before I pull so idk man

People just need to git gud

Drink between pulls

[tropic gorge]

Getting new ish healers into the mindset of "spam the drink icon until you start drinking" is lost on some

[dire fog]

Any big brain prot warriors out there?

very clueless what to take here

if there is anything to take xd

[waxen orbit]

I mean what’s your gear

Pass up rings

Because mechagon set is your bis

[dire fog]

it's my alt, so its not very good xd

1 sec

Does drape of shame effect do anything for prot? and the use effect on wrists, are they good?

[sweet summit]

our heals can't crit and the bracers are meh, can always catalyst them

[dire fog]

I guess catalyst bracers is best bet

[vernal vale]

Catalyst those bracers

Unlikely they buff them enough to make it worth the loss of secondaries.

[dire fog]

Aight tyty

[torpid carbon]

So my guild is named BigBrain and i am a prot war, does it count?

[dire fog]

Lmaooo

[woeful sphinx]

Anyone have a good video on Banner uptime that shows what abilities the person is using in realtime?

[lofty widget]

in the pins

[woeful sphinx]

how do I check the pins?

[lofty widget]

top right, but here
#protection message

[strong forum]

It's the pin needle in the top right

If you're on mobile, drag screen to the left, then you'll find the pins at the top

[woeful sphinx]

That video doesn't have the buttons he's pushing he's just explaining it. I'm looking for what he's spamming in realtime displayed on screen

[oblique garnet]

oh like details action tracker?

[sweet summit]

you'd mostly just see LOADS of IP casts during LS and CDs

[strong forum]

You can check the timeline on logs of casts done if that helps you

[woeful sphinx]

yes @oblique garnet

[south zealot]

as dumb as it sounds

press whatever button

just dont cap rage

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/whb3PrqvazAMQBZ7#fight=13&source=47&type=casts&view=timeline

[drifting fable]

yeah i think youll get yourself more tied up in trying to microanalyze the rotation when it can really be boiled down to a few bullet points

specs too fast for that

[lofty widget]

1. ss on cd
2. anything below 1.30 cd on cd
3. ip to not overcap rage

[chrome falcon]

Like I say in the vid it doesn’t really desperately matter every single global

I miss a ton of shield slams

Main thing is just generating and not overcapping via IP

[south zealot]

how dare u miss ss

noob

[woeful sphinx]

@chrome falcon Thanks for the video. I'm waiting for your Mythic+ runs with streamer mode on.

I need to see it in practice. I'm failing way too often

[chrome falcon]

I keep forgetting to record the good runs I get

If you have logs we’d happily take a look at them, I’m trying to get a video together on how to analyse them

[woeful sphinx]

I'd be way too embarrassed to show the world how bad I am at the game

[drifting fable]

fastest way to improve

i bet you weve seen worse

tbh

[oblique garnet]

Dw i die to dumb shit all the time

[drifting fable]

so dont sell yourself that short

[hazy edge]

Do you press Shield Block?

If so already not the worst we’ve seen

[oblique garnet]

^

[jagged pier]

dw i show how bad i am every day

[woeful sphinx]

I do press shield block. but i also have seen it at 2 stacks before cause i'm trying to spam ignore pain to keep banner up

i sit at 2 charges of charge way too much as well

[jagged pier]

i mea using SB will increase banner uptime

[uncut dome]

Got it thanks

Wanna get some 23’s done this week

[jagged pier]

can use what you want in them

[sand drum]

am I dumb or is grimrail "gauntlet" (train part befor 2nd boss) hitting like a truck :C ? idk what to do 100%

[jagged pier]

u standing in shrapnel blast?

or stuff on the floor?

[sand drum]

probly :C

[woeful sphinx]

Knowing i'm bad and looking for advice to improve is one thing. Knowing mathematically exactly how bad i am is scary to me

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

thats the issue we cant help you if you wont let us help you

😂

can always dm me a log if u want

[oblique garnet]

need to be sidestepping shrapnel blasts

or you will die

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

or the fire circle cant rember the name

or the mortar

all hurt

[onyx vessel]

Saw jakey pumpin in nomeraturs stream

[jagged pier]

brah

i played like trash

died twice

[onyx vessel]

[jagged pier]

but i did know you could SR the fire where nome didnt

he runs far more keys than i do

[onyx vessel]

Showing how prot war c tier dps

[jagged pier]

[onyx vessel]

Vdh and bdk tho

5 bear tanks 20s next

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[strong forum]

with 5 bears youd sit on bosses for decades

[mortal brook]

bring the trash to the boss

[marsh summit]

As Prot I feel like I should save interupt for arcane missels and let dps do the ice, cause does things smack hard. Anyone else feels like that?

On mediev

[onyx vessel]

Haha

[oblique garnet]

yeah thats what we did

on 25

and then i thought i could do gamer move and fleshcraft for dr

only to die miserably due to storming cancelling it

[urban portal]

dont u have ultimate form from plague deviser

shouldnt cancel

[oblique garnet]

i was heimer

[marsh summit]

I try to guess the spell reflect but that’s so random lol wish it was telegraph

[oblique garnet]

spell reflect when cast is 0.5s left to net get the debuff

[strong forum]

you dont have to guess the spellreflect

you only use it on the last tick, 0.5sec before it ends, to prevent getting the debuff

its a channeled cast so you cant reflect the entire thing

in Legion SR reflected for a full 5sec duration because of an Artifact Trait

[marsh summit]

Huh did not know that, so just save spell reflect till channel about to end?

[strong forum]

yes

[oblique garnet]

and if it does 2 casts in a row you kick the other one

[marsh summit]

Mmm Ty Ty, any other spell reflect trick? I know spell reflect for on last boss of upper, you can spell reflect the two gnome target thing

[strong forum]

what

you reflect burning blast on last boss of upper

for millions of damage

[marsh summit]

Yea I do that one and the two gnomes on workshop I think. Motorcycle duds

[strong forum]

and on chess event you can reflect the frosty aoe from the king

[marsh summit]

Ohhh did not know that one, gonna give it a try bet does big damage

[strong forum]

there are a bunch of spellreflects in JY and Workshop, you might wanna check out the pinned spell &block google doc to see what else there is

[marsh summit]

Ok Ty

[strong forum]

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

[oblique garnet]

100% just removes the fight

[strong forum]

ye

especially if you have 2

cuz the debuff stacks

so you just reflect 2-3 burning blasts and the p1 and p2 are over

[prisma crane]

i miss being able to swap gear in dungeons

putting on my reflect pants for Medivh and last boss was so much fun

[sick sentinel]

how many bosses is required for part 3 of dinars

cuz first is 30 then 15

[prisma crane]

5

[sick sentinel]

i can get 1 dinar on warrior 3 on mage

[onyx briar]

Is it worth it to run the spell reflect leggo in upper?

[oblique garnet]

Ya another 2 sockets so 6% leech

[urban portal]

honestly

i can see a world where you run the SR leggo

if not only for that 1 boss and zone out and swap after

[strong forum]

would be more beneficial for your group than UW

actually no

MSR is nerfed to only apply to 1 target, not party wide

MSR literally useless

[shut summit]

you could still game it and have the other person with a taunt at certain points and get value out of both

in p2/p3 he casts it back to back so like resto druid could taunt for 2nd one theoretically etc

[strong forum]

sounds like a whole lot of effort to alleviate 1/2 kicks

[shut summit]

it isnt about alleviating kicks, wat

[strong forum]

oh you mean on last boss

[shut summit]

its just blasting boss with 2 stacks of blast

[strong forum]

i thought you meant medivh

for some reason

[shut summit]

ya fuck medivh

[strong forum]

if you have a warlock

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/XpEr1WH.png

[strong forum]

MSR is likely the play on last boss

[shut summit]

ez 2 stack and boss literally melts

[waxen orbit]

Oy lads

Been a minute since a new copypasta

I wanna see this shit spread

Healing is such a submissive role. Begging your tank to stop so you can catch your breath and recharge, constantly tending to and appeasing everyone in the group whenever they tell you to, waiting for the dom tank to guide the way, obediently giving up your PI/externals when told

[south zealot]

failed on a medihv with 5 kicks

[waxen orbit]

Medivh as prot paladin :stonks:

[sick sentinel]

not a chance

clearly mage/caster

druid maybe, shapeshift bird

[vernal vale]

I promise you there are worse logs that we have seen.

[sick sentinel]

i encountered this fellow on my mage

[chrome falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGU51AFTacI&ab_channel=EonsOfBattle

[sick sentinel]

1 legendary on the head, its a tertiary DR one

[chrome falcon]

this kinda owns

if you're planning on tanking it

[south zealot]

speaking of storming

unless im like blind and delusional

[vernal vale]

So make sure it knocks you into storming.

That's amazinf

[south zealot]

i csnt remember a single storming on medihv

[sick sentinel]

he crafted vitality sacrifice on head as only legendary, has some 280+ gear

[south zealot]

besides the bird phases

but like while medihv is active there was no storming

[vernal vale]

I think they turned it off because of flame wreath

[sick sentinel]

child or drunk or something my guess

[south zealot]

probably

[vernal vale]

I can promise you I will try this because holy shit

[chrome falcon]

it won't stop the barrage

you cannot stop the first one

[vernal vale]

Still

[south zealot]

banner uptime tho

[vernal vale]

That fight is so mean to banner

You have to have a good bit of time on it to keep it going

Barrage is like 10 seconds of bullshit

[chrome falcon]

yeah it's definitely the play imo

[vernal vale]

I did a 19 yesterday and no one used the iron stars and then I died to the big gron things.

I was like WTF

[south zealot]

lmfao

people use them at bad times

[vernal vale]

I pulled them to the stars on purpose.

They said they where waiting for me to pull more

[sick sentinel]

yes, tech for storming for necrolords with marileth is, if its gunna hit you anyways, you can just start your flesh craft

let it complete probably, you get an extra 2 seconds of CC immune

[vernal vale]

What's sad is we still timed tge thing

[south zealot]

we missed my id 24 by 3 seconds yestersay

[drifting fable]

yes but you want to get hit by this storming yogi

watch the video

[sick sentinel]

i did 13 id last night on mage and partly we didnt time cuz i lusted on zulg, and then, we missed 1 or 2 small adds and a gron with the star

[lofty widget]

ID is very fun on forti

[sick sentinel]

so, we were 90 seconds over

[lofty widget]

especially last bit, was doing 100k dps with reflect on the dragons

[south zealot]

other warrior in group didnt spell reflect fire

[sick sentinel]

when you are now a gnome, anything over 8 ft tall looks like a boss

[lofty widget]

other warrior

[south zealot]

he died to the fire

and didnt reflect

[south zealot]

enhance fury destro xd

[vernal vale]

My guild runs have been fantastic so far. My pug runs not so much.

[vernal vale]

I forgot we can do that. Fuck

[sick sentinel]

there is 2 pwars in my lfr not including me

but they are both doing it right thank god

[ionic roost]

Anyone working on a spell reflect weakaura for the new season or nah

[south zealot]

what weak auraw

what would it do

[chrome falcon]

does leech work with indom?

[strong forum]

no

leech doesnt work on self healing

[chrome falcon]

hate that

[drifting magnet]

where do i find the spell reflect spreadsheet? dont see it on pins

[minor helm]

In pins

First line in the 4th pin

[drifting magnet]

got it sorry blind

[minor helm]

[ebon wren]

not here to trigger ya'll but I've been playing with dragon roar + crit bounty, it's some fun shit.

[sweet summit]

what the

[urban portal]

sounds funny

[toxic pewter]

Yah lol

sounds interesting

does it doo good dam

[urban portal]

only good in ST

[ebon wren]

naw I can average 10k damage per target. 25k to ST

once you get crit rolling

[urban portal]

it gets a lot worse the more targets there are

just from how the spell works

[ebon wren]

well just looking at details. average hit my last run was 7k, but that wasn't even with crit bounty

[urban portal]

do you understand how dragons roar scales into multiple targets

[ebon wren]

is this shit practical? lol doubt it. just something fun to try since it has crit synergy

[safe thistle]

medivh is cancer with storming on flamewraith

[ebon wren]

hmm my run had no storm during it. I thought maybe blizz did something. perhaps just lucky

[lusty tiger]

Did it wreck your party?

[lusty tiger]

Same

[south zealot]

i havent even seen storming while medihv is active

[lusty tiger]

Dam dps kept kicking my missiles

[south zealot]

thats good

[lusty tiger]

No it was an 18

Fort

Was messing up my reflect, kick, swall rotation

If you sr the debuff it is op

[south zealot]

how is it op

[lusty tiger]

Medivh goes from 11/10 to 8/10

Scary

[south zealot]

??

[safe thistle]

does it apply de arcana dmg increase on him

[south zealot]

what arcane damage is there in the game

[lusty tiger]

Ahh idk I just know when I do it he does significantly less damage

[lusty tiger]

Boomkin, arcane mage

[safe thistle]

its applied on last tick off the 3 missiles

[south zealot]

two dogshit specs

[south zealot]

youre not tanking bonus damage

its not op it just is normal

[lusty tiger]

Well yeah

Was over exaggerating

[safe thistle]

well sr is op on last boss burning blast

[lusty tiger]

That IS op

300k reflects

[safe thistle]

even arms warrior can top meter with that

[lusty tiger]

Taunt?

[south zealot]

yes

taunt reflect

[lusty tiger]

Actual chad

[safe thistle]

its on random target not focused on tank

[lusty tiger]

Nah

[drifting fable]

wrong

[safe thistle]

burning blast i saw it casted on other party member

[safe kernel]

It’s on tank

Taunt during disintegrate and hit reflect

When dis ends he will cast the dot on the war

[lusty tiger]

Every time? Right after disintegrate

[safe kernel]

Yea

Dis cast is about 5 seconds long so he casts it before and after dis

[lusty tiger]

Cool if I find myself arms in there I will have to try

[safe thistle]

hummmmm then wtf killed them lol

[lusty tiger]

There are the balls

And disintegrate

[safe thistle]

or maybe the beam on ground

[dawn canyon]

Can parry and pull it on ur own

Then get the first reflect

[lusty tiger]

Dbts on pull you say?

[safe kernel]

Yep whenever I’m dpsing I tell tank to let me pull

[safe thistle]

its easier done on pull

[dawn canyon]

Yea charge dbts to bridge the melees, although getting after beam is easier and faaar safer

[safe thistle]

dont need dbts on pull

[dawn canyon]

Huh then ive been doing it wrong

[safe thistle]

you could just range taunt and it will cast it right before coming to you

it saves it for another time

[dawn canyon]

I just Zug Zug charge

[safe thistle]

work too 😛

[safe kernel]

This is the way

[toxic pewter]

dps dh just got super pissed i won roll for overclocking bit band... he said "ring for tank?!?!"

[minor helm]

[toxic pewter]

im over here just laughing

😛

[minor helm]

Gg Gratz on ring happy for you really

[dawn canyon]

Open trade

Put it in

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[dawn canyon]

Hearth out

[toxic pewter]

LOL

he left group pissed

before i could even respond

[dawn canyon]

"oh trade didnt to through"

Come oribos

Leave group

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[lusty tiger]

Lmao GZ!

[hoary jackal]

dumb question. and i think i know the answer. but is there any way of removing the damage portion from heroic leap? its useful on huntsman mythic when tanking 2nd add, but i think the damage can break cc'ed shades of barghast... so wondering if there's a way of removing it

[toxic pewter]

no way to remove afaik

[lusty tiger]

I was spamming COS for my yellow frend and I got the ring on my lock and traded yellow and the rest of the party was so pissed we got a “warlock ninja ring to rogue”

[toxic pewter]

other than leaping like away from mobs

8 yard away

[lusty tiger]

Swiftness pot?

My DH did the doggies on huntsman

[hoary jackal]

i'll just jump closer and talent into bounding stride

[coral marsh]

intrusive thoughtcage heroic, helm 304 for tier, mechagon shield 304 with avoidance or attumen neck with socket 304?

[toxic pewter]

prob shield

if its an ilvl upgrade

[sick sentinel]

cosmic damage is 50/50arcane ... uh.. shadow?

[sick sentinel]

divine should be arcane holy fire

what i remember about it , is there is some boss or trash in the new raid that does this cosmic crap anyways, point is it hurts

[chrome falcon]

shield always

[urban portal]

i wouldnt trust the iwki

but its the best we got

[lusty tiger]

Fated affixes

[lusty tiger]

At least astral one is correct

[urban portal]

99.9% of the time, all magic damage feels the same to all tanks

[lusty tiger]

Yes

[urban portal]

like just because its shadow doesnt mean it hits harder

you know the vulpera copypasta

[lusty tiger]

I don’t

[urban portal]

something about -1% fire damage

so raid leader told everyont to go vulpera for painsmith

and then on raid day he was the only one

[lusty tiger]

Lmfaoooo

I would never roll that disguising species

Might become a troll warrior

Keep getting bugged to charge back horde

[distant crystal]

charge back horde 😏

👮‍♂️ pun patrol you're under arrest

[lusty tiger]

Oh god was a phone keyboard typo

Based keyboard ty Tim apple

[tropic gorge]

I pissed off a paladin doing the same. Took a break and missed season 3 and all of 4 until last week.
Major upgrade over what I had. Dude was fucking tilted and went full passive aggressive in a whisper.
"I'd have given you a shield"

[toxic pewter]

Yeah damn lol

go cry moar dps lmao

[delicate kraken]

Should of told him to go cry about it

Or tell em you're gonna vendor it

[toxic pewter]

yes lmao

[sharp escarp]

is Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding worth it vs other shields with better secondaries?

[drifting fable]

only if the ilvl on the mechagon shield is higher

304 with secondarys > 304 mechagon shield

[sharp escarp]

i have a 304 crit vers shield and i can upgrade to 298

ah ok got it thx

[chrome falcon]

my first piece of mythic loot in 2 weeks

304 splintered heart

[minor helm]

[woeful bramble]

does anyone have the stats recommended for prot

I got some weird numbers and not sure if I'm way of or not....

crit - 13%
haste - 38%
mastery - 29%
vers - 12%

[uneven mason]

Is that in your highest ilvl gear?

[woeful bramble]

ye 269 atm

gearing up atm

[uneven mason]

Good! Keep it up

Literally ilvl > whatever is the rule of thumb

[jagged pier]

[woeful bramble]

hmm ok due to strength stats

since str >haste>vers/crit>mastery

[uneven mason]

You got it, but in general we don't care about % more is better

[woeful bramble]

thx a million m8

[uneven mason]

But for trinkets

Because some trinkets are

[woeful bramble]

which one shall i aim for then mainly running m+'s

[chrome falcon]

and i already had a 291 heart 🙂

[uneven mason]

I'd @ one of the smarter warriors

[unreal hearth]

Does Banner have a max duration?

[uneven mason]

Not really?

[unreal hearth]

I never see it go over 16 seconds when i spend a shit load of rage to extend it

also does the mekacycle shield not show up on sims?

[sweet summit]

i've seen some 2m banner durations

the shield dogpoop anyway, won't do more than stats

[jagged pier]

[minor helm]

Saved him a mythic upgrade innit

[unreal hearth]

i know it can last/refresh indefinitely, but im saying the buff timer only seems to hit 16 seconds, so spending a lot of rage to extend it further at the beginning just doesnt seem to happen?

[sweet summit]

yes

i replied with that interpretation

[unreal hearth]

so the buff itself stacked up to 2 minutes? not extended to 2 minutes, but 2 minutes left on the buff if you did nothing

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1006354480385769543/unknown.png

[south zealot]

old warrior soul and reactive defense matrix

[unreal hearth]

so wtf am i doing wrong lmao

why does it never go past 16, even when i use an ignore pain at 16 seconds

truuuu

[sweet summit]

okay gg

[south zealot]

it doesnt rlly matter what the duration you have is

as long as you have duration

and you are extending it

prot pal kekw

depleting a 23 noob

gottem

how did u deplete it

what couldlve happened

they nerfed the entire instance

noob

[waxen orbit]

Wrong disc mb

[plush prism]

what % of PuG ~18-21 keys do you guys time? I feel like I have trouble getting groups that time them even with good io and gs, but I rarely find that I'm making mistakes or doing pulls wrong, just that DPS are failing mechanics and dying or a healer just isn't quite up to snuff for that level yet

[safe thistle]

for that youl need logs

[plush prism]

I need logs to ask what % of keys you guys time?

[safe thistle]

to know the right reason not a feel

[plush prism]

I'm just trying to get a feel for how the population of ~20 key io prot warriors experience PuGs, whether they time half their keys in a full PuG, 75%, 25%, etc

[uneven mason]

The warriors in here that are running 20+ keys probably time 80% of them

[zinc shale]

If a player dies in the flame wreath circle, does that trigger the boom?

[toxic pewter]

ya

[safe thistle]

yes

[uneven mason]

But like it's very arbitrary, knowing what keys they time is irrelevant to any issues you'd experience

[edgy grail]

Fun mechanic

[lime urchin]

Every answer anyone can give you will be very anekdotal. And I find I a edgy assumption thinking that you are not timing stuff because of other players and not yourself.

[toxic pewter]

I time every key

[uneven mason]

The answer is always pump harder

[lime urchin]

Press more revenj

[zinc shale]

I own up to my mistakes, but i feel like its more often dps that lost a few cells beforehand that fucks up keys

[uneven mason]

All the revayng

[zinc shale]

and every now and then its a trashcan healer

[uneven mason]

Answer is more leech obviously

[zinc shale]

idd

gotta selfheal more

[lime urchin]

Maybe give codex a try

[uneven mason]

Dude no

[lime urchin]

🍿

[uneven mason]

You're going to get hurt

[zinc shale]

lets ask tattman about codex

[safe thistle]

lol i would run a fateweave though if it take a cheat death to feel more confident and go more brrrrrrrrrrrr

[uneven mason]

Nom is gonna take a firehose to your ass.

[safe thistle]

if he run it cant be bad !!! right !!! right !!!! 😛

[toxic pewter]

it is really weird still high rated warrs use codex

go get an rdm lmao

[zinc shale]

could ask them why

At that level, things a little bit different. But tattman swapped recently

[toxic pewter]

what he use

[zinc shale]

aegis and ows now

[toxic pewter]

that wat i use

[urban portal]

tattman finally swapped?

holy fk

[uneven mason]

Bruh, it does 5% of my damage when I sacrifice a ton of mainstat and lower my mitigation and other damage sources.

[zinc shale]

im not saying anything for or against it, but consider it does the same or more in healing

[chrome falcon]

(except it doesn't because you lose mainstat)

(which contributes to healing)

[zinc shale]

Indomitable also heals % of maximum hp, so theres that

[safe thistle]

run a key with and same again without youll see

[zinc shale]

I dont have it anymore, so i personally cant 😛

[lofty widget]

codex is roughly 3-400 dps at keylvl 26

subtract the mainstat and it does roughly 0

[zinc shale]

I'm just saying, at the 28~30 keyrange, things are different

[safe thistle]

the extra stam aint that bad defensively

like some run grenade and thers no main stat

theres accessibility too use w/e you find

[urban portal]

stam is possibly the worst stat for tanking tho

think about what stam is

its just 10k hp over the course of a whole pull

grenade is 4% damage and 2% dr at least

[tropic gorge]

I wonder if blizzard intended for aegis to be so powerful and useful as long as it has been

[chrome falcon]

probably not

blizz didn't seem to have much plan for anything wrt tank trinkets this expansion

[south zealot]

what do you consider pug

4 random people

3 random people 1 friend?

[tropic gorge]

This isn't the first or even 10th time an item hits early and is useful until the next xpack

[south zealot]

my full pug group success rate is probably like 40% but it HEAVILYYYY varies on dungeons

my lower is legit 0%

havent timed a lower

[chrome falcon]

i have full 22-25

apart from lower

where my best is a failed 17

🙂

[south zealot]

but my jy is like 97% or something

same

[tropic gorge]

Around what ilvl should I even try to do 10-12?
Been working on 9 and under to try to get gear etc

I'm sitting at 263 iirc

(lots of shit from s2 still. Major pita)

[chrome falcon]

you could do 20s at 280

so 10s at 265 should be fine

[chrome falcon]

realistically though the best time to move up 1 key level is when the key level before it feels easy

if you're fine at 9, then a 10 isn't much more

etc etc etc

[modern brook]

You can also use loot as a check

If end of dungeon loot isn't an upgrade said key shouldn't really be a struggl

Obviously stops being relevant after the gearing process but it's a good barometer for alts

[distant crystal]

imo the best way is to just keep pushing your/a key up

doing keys that are easy for you doesn't really help you learn a ton, because your mistakes don't punish you

[real fossil]

what key level you can do with and without looking up a route is also very different

[distant crystal]

just kinda keep slamming your head at it, and expect that you're going to personally brick some keys w/ your misplay

but you need to do that to really learn

[real fossil]

18 is near the point that matters a lot more

[icy flax]

also 9s suck cuz ur 1 lvl away from missing all the bounty stats which r fun+help a lot

[tropic gorge]

Tyty, I'll give a 10 a shot tonight, if any groups invite me.
I've noticed the last week that the cross faction instances seems to have shifted the tank shortage to a mega healing shortage

[woeful sphinx]

Reactive Defense Matrix > Anny Aegis?

[chrome falcon]

for most content yes

[jagged pier]

yer

[chrome falcon]

but if you need aegis you NEED aegis

but if you have to ask, get RDM

[jagged pier]

☝️

its basically if u need to ask the question u dont need aegis

[toxic pewter]

anything good in castle nathria for prot

i guess splinter trinket is best thing, perhaps?

[woeful sphinx]

Well i had an Aegis drop for me. No Reactive Defense Matrix. Wowhead has Aegis as S++

but i'm not sure i'm doing high enough keys for Aegis i guess

i just know when i hit it damage stops

[toxic pewter]

I also had an aegis drop for me, I love my aegis, it can block a shitload of damage

[woeful sphinx]

for the full duration

[toxic pewter]

ya its so good

its legit in grimrail depot

I mean having a strong 8 sec defensive on a 1.5 min cd is just so powerful, it is true you lose out on a lot of dps though vs rdm

[urban portal]

you dont lose out on that much dps

only like 400 or something

[chrome falcon]

compared to RDM?

RDM is an insane amount of dps

like 1k in ideal scenarios

[toxic pewter]

yah its so much healing too

i saw 10% overall heals and stuff

and dps 7-9% overall dmg

browsing on wclogs

[echo egret]

Any specific way to tank the trio in ID now they changed it ?

[drifting fable]

what did they change?

all i remember is they fixed the corner bug

[chrome falcon]

that's what they're referring to

and no there isn't a trick anymore

[lofty widget]

but have you seen the corner bug for third boss

[safe thistle]

its not hard just make sure the sword guy is facing away from the group

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hw1EeSaHfQ&ab_channel=veronimus

[lofty widget]

ok that wasnt even what i was referring to, but that is great

[median tulip]

and move them away from the traps into clear space helps, esp if you have melee heavy party

[safe thistle]

yah i normaly use ramp to line of sight pull the caster closer on left side then back pedal to right side little by little cause of traps

[forest tulip]

Hey, y'all. So I've been playing warrior in preparation for DF. I was a DH tank in BFA and I plan on being a prot warrior for DF. My question is, what is a prot warriors niche compared to the other tanks? I enjoy warrior but they just seem average or don't really stand out in anything

[safe thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSPOgemvE8&ab_channel=BDGGNate

[drifting fable]

highest physical damage blocked and highest DPS of all tanks for starters

only tank that can make last boss of upper kill himself

and uh

its fun?

[safe thistle]

mobility is nice but your comiong from a dh so its similar i guess

transmog look way cooler with big shield ! 😛

[drifting fable]

[safe thistle]

good transmog give 20% dps boost

[uneven mason]

We really are the best looking

[safe thistle]

castle nathria chest piece look so good

[sweet summit]

yo love nate

[safe thistle]

i give it 2 weeks before fix

[south zealot]

there are way too many tanks in higher levels of gameplay i think

[forest tulip]

I do love heroic leaping into mobs. It feels so cool. I guess I'm just worried I'm not bringing as much to the table as other tanks.

[vestal moat]

Warrior is highest dps tank now? More than dk with gavel? seems sus

[chrome falcon]

essentially immune to melee swings

not counting gavel, pwarrior does the best dps right now

but

unfortunately we do have to count gavel

pwarrior is also the strongest dps in the game during execute when properly played

[vestal moat]

lol yes we are in a world where gavel exists and many many many DKs are getting it this week at mythic level

[safe thistle]

gavel is just a patch thing though it will be gone

[chrome falcon]

well

yeah

but next patch is the new expansion

[sweet summit]

10.0 will save wow...

[strong forum]

can say

lower kara 26 without practice

not very goog

[old flame]

How does one do this?

[oblique garnet]

Spell Reflect

[old flame]

On which ability?

[oblique garnet]

Its fine we adapt for next time

[oblique garnet]

Burning Blast

[old flame]

Noted for next time

Thanks!

[strong forum]

but it does make for a fun screenshot

https://i.imgur.com/SxDUt2n.png

1 of these things is not like the others, one of these things does not belong

[sweet summit]

big io

[oblique garnet]

Almost beat the meta comp

[faint chasm]

If I probably won't be getting the heroic upgrade, should I spend my first dinar on OWS still?

[strong forum]

Yes

A 278 ows still beats every other trinket in the game

[faint chasm]

awesome thanks

[coral marsh]

How is the Denathrius tank trinket?

Better than the dps trinket?

[chrome falcon]

they're both bad compared to 9.1 dinar stuff

sanguine vintage is actually quite a big shield

but asking whether a defensive trinket is "better" than an offensive trinket is just

a silly question

[cunning pecan]

any tips for grouping the packs together as prot warrior in Iron Docks for the Iron Stars? haven't tried it yet but seen other people doing it as other classes.

[uneven mason]

Have your hunter do it

[strong forum]

Just thunderclap

And run

Like there's nothing else to do

[fallen belfry]

I regeared my prot this patch... Doing 15s at that ilvl and low 20s at 280. Prot is super tanky right now but you won't get invited to other people's keys that low of an ilvl so just push your own key.

[cunning pecan]

run leap and intervene like my life depends on it?

[strong forum]

?

First 2 stars are omega free to gather

The last one you just mount up

[cunning pecan]

okay

[strong forum]

Run to the patrol snag it and then pull into ogron

[cunning pecan]

i'll give it a shot when I do another ID

[shadow haven]

do you guys like any of the engi bombs?

[vestal moat]

is ir worth to pull the farthest group with the orgron that turns into the inflitrator into the 3rd star?

[coral marsh]

how do i tank denathrous phase 2? i swap on dbm and always pull him to adds right? and if there is big red i go through portal and only back if there are still adds

[chrome falcon]

if you can do so safely+ communicate with you iron star guy that you're doing that

yes

[lament shell]

prot is very strong on fortified

but also i got one shotted by double murloc water bolt

[drifting magnet]

hey, how do you reflect flamespitter lava barage? do i stand where its abt to hit?

[lofty widget]

for lava barrage you just move into the fire on the ground with reflect up

for lava blast you have to be in front of the dragon as its casting it with reflect up

[drifting magnet]

gotcha thanx

[vestal moat]

Which one does more damage lol

and is better to reflect

[lofty widget]

doesnt matter tbh

both spells absolutely destroys the mob

[oblique garnet]

Kick them

What else are you kicking there

[lament shell]

ofc KEKW

didnt think that enrage enrages the water bolts too

[delicate kraken]

Can SR them too

[south zealot]

i got hit by 2 of them at once

immediate 100-0 lmao

they both had like 5% hp too it was sad

[cobalt seal]

hum

[south zealot]

both did 100k lmao

[prisma crane]

clearly you should just get more stam

[cobalt seal]

[prisma crane]

201k hp should suffice

[cobalt seal]

to bolts to 100k

mobs need like 2 enrages

at least

[chrome falcon]

holy fuck

the big mob before curator room

that dude goes kinda hard

[mighty valley]

there's a decent reflect on that guy yeah?

[chrome falcon]

reflected almost my entire hp bar

force blade yeah

if i didn't reflect that i was dead i think

from full

[lofty widget]

Best spell tbh

[chrome falcon]

it's so funny

that in lower kara

you can't even reflect searing pain

a real, actual player spell that you can spell reflect

but in upper kara you can reflect almost every single spell in there

[urban portal]

its pretty dumb

spell reflect goes from shit

to op

depending on the dung

[lofty widget]

Every mob has something reflect able that just fucks

Its great

[mighty valley]

being able to mind control undead mobs goes from shit to op depending on the dungeon

lotta stuff like that, it's cool actually

[urban portal]

yeah

but the thing is, anything undead you can control

you dont even know what you can reflect

without some nerd named sense writing down every single interaction

two identical spell name, one you can reflect and one you cannot

[prisma crane]

but he's our nerd

[sick sentinel]

lower pugs are hell

[prisma crane]

though fwiw i tend to just try to reflect everything too

ever since you used to be able to delete the fire puddles on alar

[urban portal]

yea

might as well try

[prisma crane]

imo spell reflect is easily one of my favorite abilities in the game and that's why i want it to go back to reflecting everything for full duration again

[mighty valley]

yeah i do wish there was some consistency

[urban portal]

but its just so arbitrary

[mighty valley]

it's clearly just different designers arbitrarily saying "eh this would probably be busted"

despite really different definitions of busted

[chrome falcon]

i mean

[prisma crane]

tbh i think half of them are not intentional but if they dont break the game they just leave them in

[chrome falcon]

it's very clear that almost no thought goes into it

some shit is just randomly reflectable depending on coding

it makes no sense that we can reflect the fear on iron docks first boss

[prisma crane]

but since we can already zerker rage it and you can tranq it they just dont care to "fix" that

[chrome falcon]

but- again- we can't reflect SEARING FUCKING PAIN

which is an actual literal real player spell!

how is that not coded as reflectable??

[prisma crane]

but it sears bruh

and only sears pain

[mighty valley]

my hot guess is, new spells default to unreflectable in the data, so you have to think to check that box

[prisma crane]

no way that's true

[mighty valley]

but a lot of the time people just copy paste another spell as their starting point

[prisma crane]

if anything it's the reverse

reflect was one of the most fun things to play around with in legion

[chrome falcon]

but who is making the conscious decision to make half this shit reflectable

like fire zones on the ground? royal slash? it's just super random

[mighty valley]

that's where the second part comes in - luck of the draw on what spell was copied as the starting point, and whether the designer had the thought to change the relevant flags

game development is wacky yall

[chrome falcon]

yeah i get that

i think that after warrior was so popular in BFA they definitely think about it more

there's nowhere near as many whacky crazy spell reflects in shadowlands

[oblique garnet]

The spirit fucks

In the beginning

You can reflect it tho

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah for sure

i mean the robot though

[oblique garnet]

Does a instant cast shadow rend or w/e its called and on 26 it did 112k

[chrome falcon]

force blade

hits even harder

[oblique garnet]

Force blade is nothing to it

The dot is nasty sure

[south zealot]

yeah u have to reflect that

and have an instant dispell on the next

that fucking force blade dudes

auto attacks

do like 90k damage

[chrome falcon]

i mean idk late

i know what i just saw on my screen last time i was there

and it was a 100k-ish SR

on like 24

after force blade

i don't remember it hitting anywhere near that hard in legion

[shut summit]

did 383k in 24 i just did

the hit + dot

[chrome falcon]

very reasonable ability

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/67Srx1C.png

[oblique garnet]

You can do the waycrest manor tech on it

Since reflect wont be up for the 2nd necessarily

Or atleast wasnt for me

Or is it one of those that would hit closest targets?

[mighty valley]

a lot of stuff in kara has that behavior weirdly

although they just patched some out

[chrome falcon]

do we know how medivh+Storming works

is it cringe

i heard rumours that it won't knock you out of flame wreathe?

[chrome falcon]

they fixed soul rend hitting nearest targets yesterday

[oblique garnet]

I mean the force blade

[oblique garnet]

It is pretty cringe if you for some reason are playing heirmir and try to fc missiles

[chrome falcon]

that's

a very specific example sir

[shut summit]

https://clips.twitch.tv/FurryWanderingGooseVoteNay-w98U6xx9eO69U3du

[chrome falcon]

coming from experience? smile

[shut summit]

thats medivh storming

[chrome falcon]

so...

are we meant to just run around

and soak nados for buds

[oblique garnet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yf6ZRqFnPwxVKQgc#fight=last&pull=7&type=deaths

[chrome falcon]

🙂

[oblique garnet]

Should always check what soulbind you are playing when entering m+

[chrome falcon]

imagine swapping

i played heirmir for 3 pulls on mythic rygelon then never again

[shut summit]

682k from 1 reflect on chess is the real juice

[oblique garnet]

Ive just been trying out different things

[chrome falcon]

landing that chess reflect properly

makes me feel like i have entered the matrix

[oblique garnet]

Died trying to reflect on chess

Didnt see the flames underneath

[chrome falcon]

[onyx vessel]

[sick sentinel]

after you clear the opera event... tank is supposed to do what?

[oblique garnet]

Depends

[sick sentinel]

just in general for groups, i've seen interesting strategies after that boss

today

[oblique garnet]

Dont judge me im only human

[sick sentinel]

something about he wants to go to a guy that casts a spell

[oblique garnet]

I usually just pull the understudys for count

And kill zulgamux and die after

[sick sentinel]

well, i have had them they seem to pull like way too much immediately after that

and that happened 2 times in a row, from a non tank pov so

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/NZVTKgg.mp4

got scammed one that one

didnt do anythin

[sick sentinel]

anyone know if the mechagon rings are bis? and so which combo? for prot**

[chrome falcon]

if 3 abilites then haste

and yes they're bis

[sick sentinel]

damn, got the 50% health one. ty

[oblique garnet]

3 chested 25 JY tho into 28 GD

[chrome falcon]

28 GD sounds lit

[oblique garnet]

I hecking love grimrail depot!!!

We need to do lower gd key before that one tho first

So i can teach my melee dps on how to not stand in frontals

[south zealot]

gd with storming

is so fucking dumb

dumbest thing ive ever seen

by a considerable margin

[next pasture]

literally brand new prot warrior here, does ignore pain stack? or do i need to wait for it to run out? it looks like a bigger shield on my health bar if i spam it, but my WA cluster only goes up to like 37k

[prisma crane]

it does stack, there's a limit, should be 30% of your HP now

you can effectively ignore it though, you care more about spending rage than overcapping IP

[prisma crane]

also, if you're super brand new, just know that block > IP in nearly all situations

it's pretty common for new warriors to overdo IP and under-do shield block

[next pasture]

yeah. i feel that, getting better about that. i just have a hard time noticing when i get a charge back. should i try to keep shield block up all the time in trash? save it for certain scenarios in bosses? or just still use it all the time?

i just noticed yesterday that shield block also stacks in duration, which seemed to make life easier for me

[chrome falcon]

if you're getting melee'd

you need to have SB up

[next pasture]

seems about right haha. i can maintain around 10k “hps” in certain trash pulls in 16s. being new, this is my second day playing prot, so i don’t know how to make life easier for healers outside of cycling defensive properly

i probably need to start kiting, because my mains are prot pally and blood dk, who can literally just plant in 99% of situations in keys under like… 26s

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you should require very very little healing

nope

zero need to kite on this class

i haven't kited at all this patch

apart from when i needed to proc reprisal obviously

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maybe i need to just use ignore pain over revenge then, i usually wait for a proc, there are times when my health was falling to around 30%, and i don’t know how to heal up from that

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post logs you're probably doing a lot of stuff wrong

you can't heal up from low

you're meant to never get low in the first place

what talents/soulbind are you running

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i am running marileth’s from wowhead, i’m only renown 65 atm

i’ll post logs when i can, i’m nervous to see how much i’m fucking up xP

the 16 ID i was in, a dps dc’d mid pull so the key had to deplete

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you're almost certainly fucking up a lot if you're consistently finding yourself below 50%

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not consistently

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what's your banner uptime like

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just oh shit moments

one moment