#protection
sweet summit
sick sentinel
What would you say your avg uptime for shieldblock is on a 15 in %?
chrome falcon
What would you say your avg uptime for shieldblock is on a 15 in %?
shield block uptime is irrelevant
block hits are the important thing
you want to aim for 80% blocked hits
anything significantly lower than that is a problem
cobalt seal
or do like late
and dont tank
unless he presses taunt
then you dont need Shield block
uneven mason
Block %, rage overcapping, periods where you're leaving CDs off of CD for too long. Where spikes come from (specifically ones that kill you)
chrome falcon
tf happened at 1 0mins
toxic pewter
damn wish i had more gold just found a leech belt i want to move my legendary to use
uneven mason
Was going to say, that souke is some serious standing in shit
vapid lynx
oooh 304 overclocking bit band, now just to farm the activation ring
oblique garnet
tf happened at 1 0mins
SitchMcDoo
cobalt seal
oblique garnet
I said at the start of the key that we can do the pull without the hulk maybe
cobalt seal
that's what happened
oblique garnet
At the start yes
fickle arrow
Block %, rage overcapping, periods where you're leaving CDs off of CD for too lo...
Sweet! Thanks! This is kinda what I was looking for. Key things to look at to see how to get better without inconveniencing strangers on the internet
oblique garnet
Or was it just boomer that i died
oblique garnet
yeah
cobalt seal
was explosives
sick sentinel
anything significantly lower than that is a problem
Is there an easy way to see how many hits I have blocked?
chrome falcon
log
pallid quiver
Is there an easy way to see how many hits I have blocked?
Specifically, under damage taken, you can select a person (yourself), and then hover over melee hits
It'll tell you how many hits of melee were blocked
oblique garnet
This is hilarious
I hate it so much, warrior can just pull them to cleave all the time but wheelchair dk takes eternity 
cobalt seal
just taunt it off him xD
oblique garnet
Its really the perfect warrior boss because of double time
cobalt seal
I hate that boss with my life
oblique garnet
but then i charge the range guy and then i see the hulk is just standing in africa 
sick sentinel
they nerfed the hell out of wikket
sick sentinel
flashy does 30% less and 35% less hp sll mobs in that fight
fallen belfry
this week was a pure mess
When you finally get a group to do mechs you get overwhelmed by monkey explosives too
Dropped my key from 22 to 14 and said done for the week
Lol
zealous willow
U need rly good healer to clear explosives
- heroic throw
but still my dps keep dying to stuff
i done it on 17 and i gave up
cus i know they will nerf it
fallen belfry
cus i know they will nerf it
I like how they nerfed it after it rotates out. Classic
tropic gorge
I should take breaks more often. In s2 I think I saw 1 shield total in my vault. Today, my first vault pull, I get a shield lol
plush tendon
a 304 sword or a 304 shield? 
south zealot
shield
fickle arrow
Boots because Reprisal is a crutch?
slim pier
toxic pewter
lmao
oblique garnet
yeah it aint worth it
legit just reprisal more damage
you need 0 healing and do more st
native dagger
I have stone legion and OWS currently. Should i go 304 soleah/logic loop of division/vers/crit cloak (14 item level bump)?
dawn canyon
yes
lusty tiger
Well 304 shield > not 304 shield
oblique garnet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zydYGnAQ4DBXVj3v/#fight=last&type=healing&source=3 @sweet summit look at that 80 hps from urchin
median tulip
WHat is it with people not being able to fucking read for the first pull in workshop trick?
oblique garnet
probably still better than codex
lusty tiger
WHat is it with people not being able to fucking read for the first pull in work...
They are thirsty for the w
sick sentinel
WHat is it with people not being able to fucking read for the first pull in work...
dps brains
cant really blame them i go monkey mode when playing arms as well
must stay in spear
chrome falcon
WHat is it with people not being able to fucking read for the first pull in work...
hot tip
place a world marker
make them stand there
monkeys love standing in shiny lights
also if you have a priest, tell them to grip anyone who tries to run ahead
median tulip
The Priest was one of those that followed me!
delicate kraken
monkeys love standing in shiny lights
Tell them its a dmg boost
chrome falcon
pretty bad
but i guess
if it's that big of an ugprade
you could take it
its crit/vers right
so not great but
more stats > good stats i guess
old flame
crit mas
chrome falcon
even worse
chrome falcon
yeah but you can just get valour and upgrade past 291
old flame
i mean the cloak isn't upgradeable if that's what you mean
icy flax
Reprisal felt bad not being able to charge in grimrail, is it still worth taking just for the intervene(albeit a few charges at the start)
chrome falcon
yes and you can charge plenty in grmirail
every single mob in that instance has a cast
some have two
before first boss you have dashers, before 2nd boss you have casts on gunners, boomers and cinderseers
and before last boss you have thunder zones, storm shields, arcane blitz and reckless slash
and it's very easy to reprisal on all 3 bosses
and you always have shockwave
if you ain't charging in grimrail you ain't trying hard enough
old flame
plus a lot of mobs have aoe things you need to get out of, more opportunities to charge
chrome falcon
and even if you only use reprisal for the first charge and then intervene on CD
it's our best legendary
vernal vale
i mean the cloak isn't upgradeable if that's what you mean
Thats similar to my vault last week but codex was my only dungeon slot just a lot of stuff that wasnt good i took sockets. Slapped one of them in my shiny new 304 tier helm today.
south zealot
dont tell anyone in ym group
but i just did a 24 gambit without my fucking 4set equipped
cunning pecan
but i just did a 24 gambit without my fucking 4set equipped
lmao i'm sure you noticed the difference right away hahaha
cinder nova
Matt
I'd probably mention you're around 35% haste or w/e in your video. From when I had more crit/mast than haste I noticed there's a significant ease in maintaining or even building banner rotationally
I dunno where it is, but I think there's a sweet spot somewhere in the 30's that kind of shifts it from this frantic hustle to actually being pretty mindless.
toxic pewter
anyone running ows and soleahs at same time?
sick sentinel
WHat is it with people not being able to fucking read for the first pull in work...
whats wrong with first pull in workshop?
median tulip
whats wrong with first pull in workshop?
Do you know the trick to it?
sick sentinel
probably not, unless its like, everyone stacks and then it forces everything to one location so it can be cleaved
or like, you los it behind a ramp
urban portal
Tank solos it
median tulip
No; what you do is this; buff yourself up with Fleshcraft, then go in ALONE
The bombots rockets hurt themselves and the other mobs, so if they all come at you, you can make them kill al (or at least most) of the mobs.
BUT
Everyone else has to stay OUT of the arena. If someone follows you they attract the bombs and fuck it up
sick sentinel
theres a guy you have to watch out for on boss 1, and if you make the rc car hit below him, he joins the fight and he had well over 1 million HP in BFA on 15s, like, 3 million i wanna say (Is how i remember it, may not actually be)
hes a do nothing, and not required to kill beyond if you do it you get achievement
despawns with boss p sure
median tulip
theres a guy you have to watch out for on boss 1, and if you make the rc car hit...
I think that's only hard mode
sick sentinel
only thing he does is runs at you and melee's you, is a goblin man
median tulip
But this is before the boss, just to clear the trash
sick sentinel
so, is it everyone has to stay on the bridge?
median tulip
Yeah
sick sentinel
or at the ring with the corkscrew blade
median tulip
Basically they have to stay at the entrance or near enough
If they enter the arena they doom the trick
sick sentinel
could you do that with a mage i wonder, run in and ice block
chrome falcon
I dunno where it is, but I think there's a sweet spot somewhere in the 30's that...
haste definitely helps but you gotta remember that about 50% of our rage comes from abilities that can't be hasted
(charge, intervene, demo shout, avatar, ravager, getting hit, banner)
part of me wants to unequip all gear and see how easy it is to keep banner up
prisma crane
you could arguably remove avatar from that list, since haste still affects rage gen and does reduce time between avatar indirectly
sick sentinel
i'm still terrible at lusting, i was doing 13 ID and i thought zulg is the boss, so i lusted him.
median tulip
Here; watch this for the strat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egolb9GTOKc&ab_channel=Darkmech
sick sentinel
we didn't time it
prisma crane
on that note though, i do wish that they'd revert the reduction in cost to IP, just scale the absorb and the rage up
sick sentinel
i'm talking to mage discord to attempt to work it out so, just, see if there is more re-rolls in future i guess
real fossil
for damage in m+ would you rather a secret technique or a ticking sack of terror
i cant tell the dmg loss from lost strength
sick sentinel
ticking is good for aoe but its a bit cursed in that it will apply at 400 yards away just because you targeted it
median tulip
for damage in m+ would you rather a secret technique or a ticking sack of terror
I'd always go for the Secret Technique
chrome falcon
neither of the things you just said are true yogi
real fossil
until i get my second dinar i need something to pair with ows
chrome falcon
sack should be more damage
real fossil
i have sack/bike/secret
dawn canyon
i'm still terrible at lusting, i was doing 13 ID and i thought zulg is the boss,...
on ID you lust when dog throws him off and last boss in pugs
sick sentinel
yeah, i just didn't think it through
real fossil
bike was close in overall damage in my last dungeon to sack with ok usage, but i guess it risks that ninja pull thing
sick sentinel
well, i won't say its a good trinket, cuz im not smart enough to quantify that, but it has an AOE effect attached to it, so i'd imagine if it did see use it would when you wanted more AOE dmg
real fossil
except one has 146 strength
sick sentinel
i think its one of the better ones you can get from dungeons and there are certainly better versions from raid, dinar alone
and by good vs bad trinket, i mean like, you could see play with it, maybe not, its the top 3 options overall
if its bad its like, golem heart and blade kit and organ and viscera, those are pretty much universally bad, then, and if they were still valor loot
median tulip
well, i won't say its a good trinket, cuz im not smart enough to quantify that, ...
The TSOT? It's not AoE AFAIK
prisma crane
the bike aoes
sick sentinel
its a singular buff that stacks up to 3 times and when 15 seconds is reached regardless of stacks it explodes for X
sick sentinel
to all, uhh, in uhh i don't have my warrior open
median tulip
its a singular buff that stacks up to 3 times and when 15 seconds is reached reg...
The damage is still only single target, I think
sick sentinel
is it? imma check
real fossil
sack did a larger percentage of my damage on boss fights, and our robot overlords have secret technique over sack for hectic add cleave
🤷♂️
median tulip
Hectic Add Cleave is a pretty bad sim, for what it's worth
real fossil
what would you do instead for a m+, just like 5 bosses 5 minutes
median tulip
You want to run several sims; 1 boss 4 mins, 3 bosses 2m30, 6 bosses 1m20 is the combo I use
5 boss 5 min doesn't really tell you much; what pack do you fight for 5 mins?
When you're dealing with things like TSOT that rely on adding up stacks, duration effects really matter
sick sentinel
could be you are right, hmm, it does say explode usually means area
real fossil
u can chain 3 packs together in 5 minutes, its just constant uptime
median tulip
The crowning example of the that issue was the Bells of the Endless Feast ofc
real fossil
the 3 sims is a good idea
maybe my keys are just too low so things are not alive enough for sack to be worth lol
median tulip
u can chain 3 packs together in 5 minutes, its just constant uptime
Yeah, but that's not the same targets, so they stacks work differently
IYSWIM
sick sentinel
okay i'll retract what i said about aoe bombs, is single target i guess
royal lodge
All this shit typing about Codex on this channel has cursed us all with having it the vault this week.
median tulip
anything that puts stacks on a target is vulnerable to underperforming the SIM if the target dies just short of the stack threshold being reached
median tulip
okay i'll retract what i said about aoe bombs, is single target i guess
Yeah, sadly. If it did actually explode it might be good
sick sentinel
well its a bomb
sick sentinel
and so they must have ran out of budget for the explosion
green eagle
got my dinar--278 gavel that I can upgrade to heroic after this week over a current 291 KT one-hander, or 285 OWS over the 246 I currently have?
chrome falcon
are you asking us if you should buy a gavel or not?
because uhhhh
that's kind of up to whether you want to play dps or prot
or have i misunderstood your question here
chrome falcon
hell no
if gavel was a 1h prot would be like
unbeatable god mode
gavel is a 2h
regal yacht
waxen orbit
So I think I may have enraged a healer who didn't realize this was a shitpost copypasta
modern brook
if some one gets mad at that its cause they're a sub but arent comfortable enough with themselves to let people know
waxen orbit
waxen orbit
if some one gets mad at that its cause they're a sub but arent comfortable enoug...
I picked up on it
delicate kraken
Tf is this
chrome falcon
oh this is a horrific shitpost and absolute degeneracy but
dawn canyon
yeah ok tell us how dominant and independent you are
MY PI GOES TO WHOEVER I WANT until RL says PI demo when he tells u
chrome falcon
dawn canyon
rare yogi w
delicate kraken
See, in m+ you literally have to follow the tank around
Holding his pocket and hoping he pulls good trash
Tanks in raid just be chilling tho
delicate kraken
You could probably play a game of chess while you raid tank
delicate kraken
Insert generic tank debuff oh hey its time to swap
toxic pewter
shared suffering with attumen, if I die to that, it means that no one in my group soaked it with me right?
am I fucking up or some shit
2nd time my group didnt soak with me and I died? is it something I am doing ?
dawn canyon
ur first mistake was doing lower kara
delicate kraken
It's a group soak mechanic
toxic pewter
its not like I was running around either, i always stand in place with that mechanic
can i cheese that mechanic or what
cuz its pissing me off
delicate kraken
I think you can
toxic pewter
how
delicate kraken
You can outrange it
toxic pewter
fuck...
delicate kraken
Right before he casts it
toxic pewter
should just heroic leap that shit
toxic pewter
ya i like upper a lot more
sick sentinel
ahhhh i should LFR to get at least 1 dinar on warrior
toxic pewter
wat happen
delicate kraken
Think the most fun I had tanking was in Eternal Palace
Other than that it's been a lot 2 stack debuffs and slight positioning
With some exceptions
sick sentinel
yeah i'll only be able to get 1 dinar, but i want to get 1 at least mage will get 2, im not sure how many is required for part 3
chrome falcon
idk man this expansion has had a few bosses that were disgusting to tank
sylvanas was a horrific tanking experience
delicate kraken
That whole fight was something you wouldnt write home about
Wiping on that boss felt like shit
sick sentinel
tip for free, if you sign up for all 4 LFR wings at once, by the time you get into the first one and complete it, it will pretty much pop the join button second boss of wing hits 0%, so you can chain it all together in like, an hour or 2 if you 1 shot bosses
waxen orbit
Healer players are giga cringe like 70% of the time
chrome falcon
less often than dps players
waxen orbit
Honestly it's an even split in my experience
In M+ it's actually been more so healers
Raid it's an even split
dawn canyon
less often than dps players
more of em
waxen orbit
Idk I just find healer players can be really entitled despite some of them having little to no knowledge of the game to back it up
chrome falcon
healers think they're on the same level as tanks when it comes to "needing to be better than dps"
but they don't get it
toxic pewter
i wont lie when a healer backseat tanks me it really grinds my gears
waxen orbit
I'd be understanding of players being entitled if they know their shit but it's kinda weird when healers think they are the backbone of the group and that they're some gift from Christ
chrome falcon
any time anyone tells me to do anything in a key i just ask them if they want to fuckin tank the key
waxen orbit
Very weird
toxic pewter
yes
chrome falcon
quiet thyself, mage
toxic pewter
yes
waxen orbit
I'm willing to listen to criticism
Even I can make mistakes despite playing for so long
toxic pewter
yep
waxen orbit
It's just weird when I show that said criticism is faulty and explain every facet in which that's the case and the person refuses to listen
fickle arrow
Anyone have any idea if Mark of Dargrul has an merit in M+?
toxic pewter
tanking is the most punishing role thats for sure
chrome falcon
they're welcome to phrase their criticism properly but "why are we doing this route" when the "route" died 3 pulls in because someone ninja'd something
just grinds me extremely hard
chrome falcon
Anyone have any idea if Mark of Dargrul has an merit in M+?
nope
chrome falcon
or this mage in a 25 gambit telling me "we need to pull all 3 of these packs (before dragon) together"
when i know for a fact that's just a nightmare to do as pwarr
toxic pewter
yeah fuck that
waxen orbit
I've done it before, it's not horrendous
toxic pewter
all 3 packs can get spicy way fast
waxen orbit
Definitely harder than it needs to be though
chrome falcon
just bad? doesn't proc enough?
no mainstat bad damage
chrome falcon
Definitely harder than it needs to be though
yeah it's not necessarily the play itself that's bad
but i'm not having some random shitter tell me just before a pull what we need to pull
waxen orbit
Everybody just has to be on their shit
chrome falcon
i didn't have shield wall or challenging shout up
we play around tank cooldowns first, then dps cooldowns yknow
waxen orbit
but i'm not having some random shitter tell me just before a pull what we need t...
I get that sorta. I've gotten to the point where I sorta just don't get vexed by it
I know they mean it as some sort of advice, albeit in a weird way
chrome falcon
yeah i mean i just ignored him during the key then told him to go suck a lemon (exact wording changed) afterwards
waxen orbit
More so a command but hey, it's better than their screeching
waxen orbit
yeah i mean i just ignored him during the key then told him to go suck a lemon (...
Telling someone to suck a dick? Rookie shit right there. I go all out if someone pushes me
chrome falcon
my man was screeching
toxic pewter
yeah the route people really do get to me i wont lie
toxic pewter
na
toxic pewter
what everyone getting with their second dinar
fossil spindle
ok gotcha
chrome falcon
shield
sick sentinel
what are the good dinar things anyway?
chrome falcon
gonna have enough mythic tokens for an upgrade tomorrow
sick sentinel
ill get 1
chrome falcon
so 311 shield choo choo
chrome falcon
then whichever SOD trinket i still need with the next one
toxic pewter
what did you get with the first one
chrome falcon
rdm
chrome falcon
i have 259 ows
toxic pewter
makes sense
chrome falcon
which is not much worse than 285
toxic pewter
ya
toxic pewter
vestal moat
Trying to decide between spending mythic upgrade on rdm or a shield to 311
south zealot
someone help
toxic pewter
prob shield 😄
vestal moat
but is the mythic worth
prisma dove
you want to aim for 80% blocked hits
Am I reading % blocked hits wrong? I checked some random 24-28 logs from different dungeons and players, and maximum "blocked hits" I saw was 77% in gambit, and usually the number was around 70% . Could you please tell how to check %blocked hits properly ?
chrome falcon
you're hovering over the wrong number
you need to hover over "hits"
which is 834
also just because 80% is really hard to reach
doesn't mean you shouldn't still aim for it
prisma dove
the blue highlight shows that im hovering over melee
chrome falcon
yes
prisma dove
which are 834
chrome falcon
but you get 2 different numbers depending on what you hover over
and hits is correct
delicate kraken
yeah i mean i just ignored him during the key then told him to go suck a lemon (...
I don't pay pugs much mind, unless theyre typing paragraphs at me. Cause at that point you're warranting all aggression.
prisma dove
thanks
I was worried because on my logs hovering over bars i saw 60-ish %, but hovering correctly i am looking at 75-78%, which is still lower than good 80, but the difference is not that huge
chrome falcon
yeah i mean 80% is just a good goal to set
if you're hitting 80% in every run then you're a god
waxen orbit
God?
I'd say you're good
Not god yet
I'd say just aim for 100%
Makes everything in the dungeon a breeze
chrome falcon
Well indeed
I haven’t logged a run in a while I should do that
Maybe I’m actually just dogshit and I don’t know it
ebon wren
urban portal
iuts not very good
round vortex
Anyone else having issues with Unity atm 😦 I wanna put it on ring or neck because main stat, but our jewellery gives SO MUCH haste its breaking my heart. lol
cobalt seal
iuts not very good
it's also not really bad
cobalt seal
it's still a 304 weapon
sick sentinel
some prot warrior in lfr just now had unity bracers
mighty valley
so?
sick sentinel
i didnt think we crqfted that there
mighty valley
if you're getting higher ilvl stuff everywhere else it's fine to put it on a low value slot
back is probably better but it's small differences
sick sentinel
whats good once i do get a dinar, only have 1 next week
urban portal
ows rdm aegis
grand locust
undone verge
Shield smash one is nice, now I can zone out fighting them
onyx vessel
toxic pewter
Yes they’re live
onyx vessel
they get loot and key finsh credit
well chance at loot
so its completely pointless
hazy edge
go brrrrr
toxic pewter
Hell yeah
hushed cobalt
i have the top 2, and the bottom 2 are in vault. i mostly tank m+, and leaning to the 304 signet. is that the good choice?
mighty valley
Yeah I think so, 15 ilvls is a lot of stats and the secondaries get closer together when you're dipping into diminishing returns
hushed cobalt
👍
my other option would be neck but wouldnt be as big of an upgrade
mighty valley
hmmmmmmmmm that is leech and basically bis though, idk
hushed cobalt
well, i guess the other option i was thinking about was spamming junkyard and wearing 2 of the rings 😄
mighty valley
yeah, ideally you'll end up with junkyard rings if you play enough
well, one JY and one workshop
so none of these rings are forever
but also it's season 4 do what you want
urban portal
Yeah neck is the way
vernal vale
well, i guess the other option i was thinking about was spamming junkyard and we...
Considering mechagon rings I'd go neck
Can socket the neck later too when you get a bad vault
hushed cobalt
Shucks I was stoked I got the heroic iris from the weekly 😆
Neck it is! Thanks!
urban portal
You have to update that stuff daily
limpid pawn
i did
the addon that shows peopel queueing up for m+, like their best key and best for listed key
south zealot
👍
my other option would be neck but wouldnt be as big of an upgrade
this is turbo bis
not as big of an upgrade but you want mechagon rings anyways
so haste main vers off with leech is fucking sexy
plush prism
hazy edge
If it's an ilvl upgrade it is
next axle
What do ya'll think I should use my first Puzzling Dinar on?
sick sentinel
ows if u dont have it
next axle
I have majordomos and Shard of annhlydde
Which would I replace with OWS?
My shard is 291, and my Majordomos is 304
sick sentinel
majordomos from kara?
sick sentinel
the random stat one
onyx vessel
so obvious
next axle
It has 772 stat on a 90sec cd
next axle
Hmmm, guess I messed up taking majordomos this week then lol
Live and learn
Thanks for the tips fellas!
sick sentinel
sadge
next axle
Ill replace it with OWS and upgrade it to heroic
onyx vessel
very strong trinket combo
sick sentinel
havent played prot last season but wasnt bis combination 259 ows + 252 annhylde?
i know ows was bis
mighty valley
it's almost pure defensive, damage is really low on it
but it's basically 8s of immunity on m+ trash
sick sentinel
i mean even if the dmg was low it was still higher than last season trinkets
next axle
So now that I have both trinks, my next dinar should prob go to weap? worldshard?
ionic fern
Yes?
next axle
With OWS, do I even need to choose haste bounty in m+? seems like vers or crit would be a decent choice now
sick sentinel
nah vers is garbage
mighty valley
the haste bounty is a flat bonus so it doesn't get hurt by DR
onyx vessel
mastery
uncut dome
Legit have no idea what to choose all other gear is 298 but none of these items really stand out but considering the gloves
Cause i guess world killer isnt that great?
jagged pier
that bis sword tho
uncut dome
Its bis sword?
mortal brook
if you can put it to 311
dire fog
any advice here? Does drape of shame scale with any healing prot warriors do? Is bracers any good?
sick sentinel
damn if it only had a socket as well
zinc shale
whats the procc rate on this one?
sick sentinel
its bad
so 2 mechagon dungeons
1 drops the if you do something
workshop drops the
then you do something
ideally as prot
youd want the
use 3 different abilities or spells
and then u gain haste
zinc shale
15s CD, jesus
urban portal
Better on tanks than dps
I mean 15s cd is still 150 ish dps
On a ring that’s only upsides
Sim it to be sure
It’s definitely not horrible on st for tanks
Just scales off in aoe
zinc shale
Tbh, im not even sure im gonna use the crit ring
even if i pick the ring
sim says 304 soleah
sick sentinel
ye same
zinc shale
I’m assuming he doesn’t even have an activator
I dont, but as i said, even if i did, probably wouldnt use the crit ring
urban portal
A 273 haste ring is still insane
But yeah
The Mechagon ring combo is worth
Just take Soleahs and move on
Both the ring and Soleahs will get replaced optimally
uncut dome
Gonna go with the sword thanks lads
urban portal
Soleahs becomes rdm/ows
sour ocean
buoyant steppe
Hi, in my vault got 2 gloves : one with leech, the other with speed. As protection, mainly mm+, which should i pick ?
urban portal
Mainly because the competition is there
urban portal
Hi, in my vault got 2 gloves : one with leech, the other with speed. As protecti...
Ilvl then sim
urban portal
Leech>speed imo
mortal brook
speed>leech imo
urban portal
Can’t go wrong with either
buoyant steppe
🙂
urban portal
Minor diff
sick sentinel
more speed => less uptime lost running between pulls
idk leech seems more useful
urban portal
True speed converts to ows uptime
sick sentinel
banner
sick sentinel
obv
urban portal
I mean it’s very close
mortal brook
merits to both. neither are dealbreakers tho
speed is very situationally more control, better gather, more avoidy the thingies, sooner getting things for sooner damage. leech will be a tidy little addition to your overall but rarely impactful
sick sentinel
youre overthinking it at this point
mortal brook
yep
zinc shale
a leap away
urban portal
Then it’s speed
zinc shale
LITERALLY every dungeon
urban portal
Speed let’s you backpedal
sick sentinel
speed it is
urban portal
And charge
mortal brook
speed if you backpedal
buoyant steppe
haha 😄
zinc shale
Hi, in my vault got 2 gloves : one with leech, the other with speed. As protecti...
if you get these choices again, its always leech or avoidence
speed doesnt matter
No matter what class you play
buoyant steppe
😄
urban portal
Don’t literally mean backpedal
If it’s good to setup for another charge
Again who cares
Neither does much
mortal brook
shields are cheap af to upgrade, ngl
hearty saffron
it replaced a 226 xD so its a huge upgrade as is
sick sentinel
i agree with gurk if u have a lot of valor sure if u dont wait
sick sentinel
its cheap for someone who runs m+ all the time
for someone who mainly raids or something or just doesnt play the game a lot it could be a lot
lament shell
I gues
dawn canyon
depends on your rate of valor aquisition
if you gain idk
2k a week
grinding out temporary 298s is painful
stuck crown
298 crest or 304 GD shield? i know crest is bis but im not a mythic raider so 298 will be the highest i get it and 304 has more block etc but meh stats
dawn canyon
304
lament shell
Id go with the 304 shield
strong forum
304
lament shell
Or if you have any leech pieces down there
strong forum
That's the best shield from m+ right there
stuck crown
no leech, at least its a big upgrade from my non fated hc crest
strong forum
Ilvl is ilvl
blazing condor
you aint got dom sockets anymore right
zinc shale
no
blazing condor
epic
tame jasper
Hm 298 scars in vault 🙈
robust quiver
I'm thorn, got both chest and gloves @ 304 ilvl, but the chest is haste/versa and i can't decide where to get the 4 piece.
I know usually the gloves are the worst tier piece, but at the moment the situation would be:
tier gloves
116 haste
82 versa
43 crit
105 mastery
(364 total secondary budget)
vs
tier chest
146 haste
200 mastery
65 speed
(346 total secondary budget + speed)
What would you go for?
robust quiver
getting the tier on chest would give me the more haste, but at the cost of lesser secondary budget (with bonus speed tho) and most of the budget on mastery
mighty valley
Why do your gloves have three secondary stats
robust quiver
Why do your gloves have three secondary stats
junkyard gloves
robust quiver
raidbots.com
so it boils down to simming for damage?
mighty valley
But if you turn them into tier they just have set stats… maybe I’m stupid because it’s late
mortal brook
just set stats, sockets, tertiaries
robust quiver
But if you turn them into tier they just have set stats… maybe I’m stupid becaus...
ye indeed, they lose speed (which bites into secondary stat budget anyway)
zinc shale
so it boils down to simming for damage?
yep
mighty valley
oh I finally get your breakdown, it’s not the stats on each piece, it’s the total stats between those two slots in either case
robust quiver
oh I finally get your breakdown, it’s not the stats on each piece, it’s the tota...
yeah, sorry if i wasn't clear on that xd
mighty valley
yeah I think this is just a sim situation
robust quiver
aight, thanks!
robust quiver
Chest cuz alot more Str
they are both 304 and i have them both as of now, so no primary loss
strong forum
Then just sim
robust quiver
ye simmed them both and they are within 0.1% dps from each other
i'll decide if i want a tiny bit more dps or a tiny bit more speed
zealous willow
Did RNG blessed u guys?
tame jasper
would u take 298 jailers scars for offgear or 304 legs (+6ilvl) for all? cant decide (and only missing lower karaz 20 for last teleport, then only fun pushing)
dawn canyon
odds ur gna get scars outside of dinar purchase are slam for at least 2 weeks
tame jasper
first dinar was OWS, second will be aegis I think (or matrix, but most prob aegis for ilvl upgrade in daily use)
jagged pier
please dont waste a dinar on aegis its so easy to farm
lament shell
Need someone to do a high key and test it
oblique garnet
Rdm owns
blazing condor
never got to play with it in 9.1.5 lol
oblique garnet
Sense said it did big dam on ID
tame jasper
please dont waste a dinar on aegis its so easy to farm
I got (and will get HC kill on the nine every week - but that does not mean it drops. hat 10+ ppl with tankloot set for me last week and no drop) 😉
But yeah basicall the nine is easy to kill
as is guardian ^^
tame jasper
My mythic progress guild disbaned during SOTFO
but yeah I also did normal and LFR
all would have been higher ilvl than my 252
jagged pier
from what ive heard its really not that hard to pug the first 3 on mythic
oblique garnet
@jagged pier is this another case of socket vault ?
jagged pier
probably
oblique garnet
15s
tawdry dirge
so if u can activate it all the time and keep the b uff up infinet basicly
dawn canyon
its just perma 6 haste sockets
tawdry dirge
noice
better go with that one or the healing one?
cause the healing one is also not bad gives about 7%
dawn canyon
are you willing to pass up on 6 sockets worth of haste on a ring?
i personally am not
oblique garnet
aight im done
thorny stone
<:gladge:963970137701109820> aight im done
I don't see the rdm there
potent smelt
How do you deal with the mobs after first boss of Grimrail when they cast Double Slash on you? I blow my CDs and it's still not enough. Key level +20
oblique garnet
I don't see the rdm there
Thats my next dinar
cobalt seal
<:gladge:963970137701109820> aight im done
(and still lose in dps to nome)
thorny stone
How do you deal with the mobs after first boss of Grimrail when they cast Double...
I pray 🙏 that my healer remembers that i don't have self-heal like a dk
cobalt seal
oblique garnet
(and still lose in dps to nome)
I did beat him tho
I just need to get more used to not tanking and use charging
I keep forgetting it especially on bosses
cobalt seal
wasn't it 2/1 in favor of nome?
ionic fern
<:gladge:963970137701109820> aight im done
oblique garnet
i won jy
ionic fern
Close enough
oblique garnet
I wasnt in it
cobalt seal
*usually
dawn canyon
any banner fatfingerers
oblique garnet
any banner fatfingerers
Happens to the best of us sometimes
zealous willow
What waist we use
i got fusion hacker 304 and waist 93 haste / 55 mastery , but my unity is there
strong forum
I got the haste/vers belt at 304
strong forum
It's a solid belt, and I don't think catalyst belt gives you haste
zealous willow
stuck with 260 shield still
vault is killing me
each week 😄
at least got the ring from workshop
do we use only 3 diff spells from junk or we can use the att from behind one too ?
oblique garnet
We can use either
broken crater
I wonder if nom bans me if I bring up tattman not playing codex anymore and ask why because its such a good trinket thats played a lot
dawn canyon
~~I wonder if nom bans me if I bring up tattman not playing codex anymore and as...
What's tatt playing now
cobalt seal
Aegis
cobalt seal
should be aegis ows
oblique garnet
Tattman at 110% strength now 🙏
I mean hes still dying to air
oblique garnet
Who am i to judge gameplay if i suck myself
Yeah same
Dont even have rank 1 dps logs from every dungeon
But thats gonna change this week 
cobalt seal
or not
dawn canyon
Gl
oblique garnet
nah im gonna be tank in most of them 
oblique garnet
yeah probably
But i need to stop bannering to buff the team because nome doesnt do it
Until bosses
strong forum
I don't Re-banner unless I know it can't fall off until it will fall off due to downtime
zealous willow
U guys buff ppl with banner ? 
strong forum
Every now and again
In the keys yesterday @oblique garnet only used 1-2 banners more per key stop flame
jagged pier
dont be like me in the ID where i dropped banner and thought oh well i might as well wait for 2nd boss
cobalt seal
at least late wasn't 1-2k dps behind nome
jagged pier
im still getting used to 5 tank again
oblique garnet
its hard right @jagged pier
strong forum
Practice diff
ionic fern
At least not a case of "Damn, he has Gavel"
cobalt seal
if you die as a bdk on 5 tanks
dawn canyon
That's my dps war pov
cobalt seal
you are beyond boosted
dawn canyon
Dying as tank in general
ionic fern
Is it the same as when you pop Banner just to see 2/3 of your DPS'ers dying to an avoidable mechanic and knowing you just wasted banner since you gotta reset boss?
dawn canyon
Isnt ideal
jagged pier
its hard right <@179993058186625025>
yes and im just shit
i thought we all knew this
dawn canyon
Heroic strike defeated by sunglasses cloud
ionic fern
dawn canyon
Heroic strike defeated by sunglasses cloud
Took me 3 attempts to get this right holy fuck
jagged pier
ionic fern
lofty widget
shield
sweet summit
zealous willow
ez
oblique garnet
Is it the same as when you pop Banner just to see 2/3 of your DPS'ers dying to a...
Nah i aint resetting
Im soloing it dont care
dawn canyon
oblique garnet
Think of the execute phase.
trail glacier
blazing condor
2 timers
cobalt seal
train is so ez
dawn canyon
latter applied regardless
orchid frigate
can i pop banner/last stand/avatar pre-key insertion and have reset when key starts?
jagged pier
its only 3 min cds
and poping banner kinda waste u would only have 5 seconds left before u can even move
:thonk:
south zealot
for something like lower thats not bad
if youre not skipping first guy
isnt banner 2 mins tho so you would need 40ish seconds before next pack
jagged pier
no its 3 mins 100% works like raid bosses
lofty widget
they changed it from 3 to 2 mins
jagged pier
banner and avatar dont get reset on restting a boss
lofty widget
but fc gets reset as well
sand drum
WoW hates me :C
3 items with avoidance on and now Skolex shield with avoidance on from vault :C
jagged pier
same
chrome falcon
got a soleahs equipped that's not contributing currently but
yeah
need a useful shield
jagged pier
imma be at 40% unbuffed today after 1 boss kill
and 0 sockets
so i can socket crit
chrome falcon
juiced
chrome falcon
weapon and shield are both 298 m+ items
jagged pier
oblique garnet
weapon and shield are both 298 m+ items
Nub
chrome falcon
gonna spend next dinar and first mythic upgrade token on 311 lod shield i think
chrome falcon
grabbed an RDM with my first
chrome falcon
gonna see what happens next week in sod, prayge for ows or aegis so i can buy the other one with dinar
mortal brook
spent immediately, upgraded immediately
mortal brook
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850
yes
chrome falcon
it feels weird getting one dinar week 3
then nothing week 4
then the other 2 on week 5
mortal brook
they wont
jagged pier
:kekw:
strong forum
If they nerf gavel now instead of 3 weeks or even much longer ago, blizz is huffing alot of the wrong juices
sick sentinel
TBF
about me lusting on zulg, last night, in a 13, im a mechagnome now, and it turns out nathrezim are only slightly less tall than a tuaren, which i used to play
so, i saw a tall evil named lookin dude, seems like bos
lust.exe
mortal brook
blue post said item tuning was gonna be upfront as possible. and then they buffed the dang thing. so i am unworried
minor helm
mortal brook
mechagnome D:
jagged pier
moonlit prism still bis for shadow 
sick sentinel
im not good at mage either lol, i dunno what i want to play for real 😦
can't spell steal or lust or decurse, or, im not doing it, maybe try something else DF
blazing condor
Probably because (from what ive seen) your problems arent class specific
sonic crag
Are raid parses worth looking at this season? I'm not super competitive. But I think with the affixes rotating through different bosses on different weeks, there is a wide variance on DPS. Like, I've parsed 98-100 on multiple bosses and I know I'm not nearly that good.
Or maybe it's the difference of a casual prot warrior vs one who somewhat knows what they're doing?
blazing condor
Tank parses are always gonna be ”easier” to get high ones of cus a lot of tanks just settle for staying alive and holding aggro