protection

[dawn canyon]

Nice tmog too

[sick sentinel]

43 years old manager at walmrt with a wife and 4 kids

gets tolay 6 hours per weekend

[strong forum]

Jealous tbh

[sick sentinel]

theme i see there is he seems to want to improve gis aoe dmg possibly to hold threat, and then reduce dmg with like bolster

hard t9 say, hes living life though

[lament shell]

How do you get 8% codex on a +2 or what it is

[sick sentinel]

we only made it through the first boss of workshop and were heading to kujo

something happened, probably too many pulled, and we wiped, healer died again to aggro and left

[strong forum]

Deal very little dmg yourself

You can see he only did 3.2k dps, that means codex also only did 280ish dps

[wintry nymph]

not this discussion again xd

[sick sentinel]

theres dragon roar and whirl wind a plenty, hes got morrre (than just codex)

[uneven mason]

I believe the concensus is codex does best when the player is being their worst

[wild hemlock]

freaking torn between DF tanks. they all look so freaking fun

warrior/pal/brew look great

[strong forum]

Why would be torn currently

Half of the talents are bugged, many of the trees will get reworked multiple times, no way to test them in real content

My choice is simple, Ive only looked at pwar tree and will only look at pwar, 0 interest in other tanks/specs/classes

[dawn canyon]

suprising

[lusty grotto]

yeah we dont have that problem as pwar mains

but a lot of people bounce between them, its fine honestly

[obtuse dove]

How do I keep high uptime on banner as Necro?

[strong forum]

Prioritising rage gen over everything

Without overcapping rage and dumping with IP

[lusty tiger]

A video guide on how to keep up and maintain Conqueror's Banner
By @chrome falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&

[lusty grotto]

for reference its also on the pins

[lusty tiger]

Try for 100 cpm so you can fall around 70-80

[wild hemlock]

cause brew and pally look great? quite simple tbf. no alpha access so its all just looking for me

[strong forum]

Ya but what I mean is

Why bother worrying now

[lusty tiger]

I think I would play a different role before switching off prot at this point

[strong forum]

When nothing is finished

Nor implemented

Df is still a few months away

[sick sentinel]

GM in my alliance meeting on sunday "okay so we all know theres really only about 2 months left of shadowlands cuz they are putting everything into DF release"

[wild hemlock]

yeah prot looks nasssssty

[sick sentinel]

after which, apparently, i wasn't a part of it, they did transmog, and naked gnome run to booty bay

[strong forum]

Wtf is there to put into DF release

[sick sentinel]

dragons

and gold in the caves in which they inhabit

[strong forum]

Hoarding gold, sure that's like the 1 thing to do

[sick sentinel]

breathe fire, fly, use tail and claws

generally just really fucking hard to kill cuz also sometimes smart

magic

this shit legitimately writes itself

[modern brook]

Yeah my favorite part of dragon literature is when they use tail and claws

[lusty grotto]

what about when they breathe fire

and roar

sometimes they fly

[uneven mason]

My favorite is when my gm gives one class levels and combat reflexes, oh the dragon has 20ft reach and you charged in to melee him? That's 3 attacks of opportunity

Proceeds to take my character sheet outside and burn it.

[modern brook]

Sorry I don't speak nerd

[hearty saffron]

What tempoary enchant should I use on my weapon

Stones or shadowcore oil

[uneven mason]

No you do, just not boomernerd

[modern brook]

I wish I had a Gm to attack of opportunity me 😦

[modern brook]

Stonws

[hearty saffron]

thanks 😄

[sick sentinel]

i'm not saying deathwing, but deathwing

[valid sedge]

any good weak aura for announcing spell reflects ?

[sick sentinel]

ooh surprise!!! hes back!! you gotta kill him again!!

[uneven mason]

Echo of neltharion

[sudden shell]

I saw one on wago.io but said wasn't being updated anymore

Might have to dig thru recently updated

[valid sedge]

i see,its just annoying people kicking on your reflects 😄

[uneven mason]

Just make a macro in caps

[south zealot]

my macro is just
#showtooltip Spell Reflection
/cast Spell Reflection
/s Spell Reflection Used

or something like that

maybe spell reflect active or something else

[river fiber]

/y if you are pugging

[south zealot]

sure

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u5bS2rsuQk, 2011, yes, i see it, still being updated and works though

so, you can have it set to go off when you activate the spell, or only end the spell ends

[sudden shell]

"won't stop me from kicking cause I can't read"

[south zealot]

it doesnt work everytime

some people just have the instinct to kick

[wintry nymph]

they never kick, but when they do, its during spell reflect

[south zealot]

which is a good thing to have

but it can be annoying

[sudden shell]

Ye unless all in voice kinda got accept it get wasted 😃

[sick sentinel]

Can you please teach me?

[uneven mason]

I'd rather they learn to kick everything

Than just not

[sick sentinel]

i appreciate your patience while i learn

[sudden shell]

Lol

Prot pretty enjoyable I tanked blood is s2/s3 changing it up

Ran +2 thought was valor farm it was not I was #1 DPS heh

[vernal flax]

Any advice for surviving the piercing missiles from Medivh? They clap me, especially on back to back casts

[sturdy sable]

Demo reflect

Wall

Kick

[south zealot]

use defensives

[lusty grotto]

reflect last tick of the 1st missile

[oblique garnet]

Reflect first cast on last tick so you dont get debuff

defensives on the second

[lusty grotto]

then yea

late beat me

[oblique garnet]

If its high key you want to defensive first and kick the second

[lusty grotto]

me too slo

[chrome falcon]

hold your kick for it

unless absolutely necessary

[oblique garnet]

Cant be bdk and just lul DS

[south zealot]

just pre spellreflect smh

[uneven mason]

Missile eats Sr, gotta get the last one

[south zealot]

if u pre reflect it cancels his cast

so he does something else

but u could also end up wasting jt

i recommend running aegis if you have it in upper

you can use on a medihv cast and be fine with just ignore pains

[chrome falcon]

i just wear splintered heart on medivh at this point

i mean that's for like 24s so shouldn't be necessary below that

[lofty widget]

[chrome falcon]

i don't trust my kicks man

[lofty widget]

i get it in a pug tbh

timer is so free anyways

[chrome falcon]

sometimes i have to eat a missiles just in case there's something else i need to kick coming up

because i don't trust them to do it

[shut summit]

Fairly certain I'll just be cheat death or the wall or both when pushing higher uppers, mainly cuz of wyrm and medivh

[chrome falcon]

yeah reprisal kinda sucks shit on wyrm

which is the hardest part of the instance

[shut summit]

Yea

[chrome falcon]

have to save leap for grabbing balls

and there's no other way to charge

and you don't need the block uptime on medivh or last boss

[lofty widget]

wonder if you could just port out after medivh and swap leggos

cause youre falling for a good minute anyway

but idk where the graveyard is

[urban portal]

yeah you probably can

warlock is jut that op

[shut summit]

Just use the kara port then zone back in

[urban portal]

thats why they are taken for high keys

does zoning back in put you in the right spot?

[lofty widget]

thats what im not sure of

[urban portal]

i think they USUALLy put you where your release spawn is

[lofty widget]

cause if it puts you at the bottom it probably even a time save

[shut summit]

If someone dies on medivh and waits to release til someone lands on book it puts you down there so maybe same?

Not sure tho would hafta test rezoning

[urban portal]

thats op then

[lusty grotto]

is it time?

[foggy lynx]

bccc

[lament shell]

are we excited about veng tree today?

yea boi

[hearty saffron]

How does my stat weights look?

should I be pushing for more versa?

[sonic crag]

whats the name of the two if/then rings we want from Mecha?

[sonic crag]

thanks

[lofty widget]

as long as it's your highest ilvl it looks good

your actual stat %s arent all that important

[hearty saffron]

awesome, Im only 257 Ilvl, got a couple of good items

The trinket from gambit is BiS right?

[south zealot]

could use unbreakable will for upper

im sure heals would love groupwide aoe dr

[chrome falcon]

wait... is that actually the play

surely not

..... hm.

idk UW goes on chest and finger

which is pretty bad

[cinder nova]

It isn't.

Just don't be bad

[lofty widget]

dps has their own defensives

[chrome falcon]

i'm perfectly capable of not being bad

it's these other 4 chucklefucks i worry about

[cinder nova]

Not your job.

You also can spec safeguard

[chrome falcon]

my problem if they fuck up though 🤷‍♂️

[cinder nova]

And have rally

Yeah, so kick them and get a better team mate.

[chrome falcon]

yeah i dunno it's probably not the play

but i like the idea of an extra SW for medivh and wyrm

[lofty widget]

we're also losing a lot of rage gen speccing UW

sooo 100 % banner in danger potentially?

[chrome falcon]

yeah that's the thing i guess

idk i might try it in like a 20 or something

[lament shell]

nah Leaper is the play

[chrome falcon]

but i doubt it's good

especially since you lose so many stats

by saccing mechagon ring

or downgrading chest 20 ilvl

[ocean yoke]

[lofty widget]

im def interested in the rep to wall swap tho

gonna try that out later

[chrome falcon]

yeah for sure

[ruby locust]

[lusty tiger]

Why not the echo revenge one with UF like a real chad

[stable valve]

6 ilvl upgrade on helmet, aegis, or 2 sockets

[hazy edge]

I mean, aegis is pretty baller

I’d take that if you don’t have it

[stable valve]

been grinding gear on all 3 of my toons past 3 weeks, so haven't gone past tanking 20s and it doesn't feel to necessary for aegis

insta grab if it was RDM :/

[lofty widget]

if you feel like youre gonna need aegis at some point might as well grab it, if not 2 sockets probably beats 6 ilvls but dont quote me on that

[stable valve]

have a heroic earthbreakers and lfr OWS. still have a dinar and 1 heroic upgrade item

side note, should I buy normal RDM? think it's worth using until after SoD full clear to upgrade or do I just wait

[cobalt seal]

???

seriously

looking at stats at 257?

[lofty widget]

well rdm+ows bis, so i'd go for it

[stable valve]

for sure, just wasn't sure if it'd be worth w/o being able to upgrade

[cinder nova]

idk missiles hurts, but only if you let it go after the first one

[stable valve]

ever see a time where'd I'd use aegis over rdm?

[cinder nova]

I just let the missiles full cast if I don't have the debuff

[cinder nova]

You doing 23s or higher?

[lofty widget]

i dont think aegis is worth in anything lower than 25-26

[stable valve]

not atm, but goal is 24-25 keys this season. I stopped at 23s on my bdk last season and was still just running double haste trinkets

but also bdk busted

[lofty widget]

you can easily do 24-25s without aegis

wouldnt worry about it honestly

[lusty tiger]

Finally got the missles timing

[stable valve]

sockets it is yeah?

[cobalt seal]

you can easily do 28's without aegis

[lofty widget]

i'd say so

[south zealot]

UW in upper is the play @cinder nova

imo

reprisal sucks after medihv

[ruby locust]

My bdk got 4 piece today (cause I’ve not really been working on it much ) so excited to see the change in game play

[south zealot]

last boss we are so good at we dont have to worry about even trying

[late wasp]

Sephulcer's Savior is a trap grab, right?

[south zealot]

dont even know what that is

so maybe

[lofty widget]

nah its good if its your highest ilvl

[sonic crag]

I hope you like Heartstrike spam

[late wasp]

Just feels like losing the secondary stats is not worth the on-use

[lofty widget]

you dont ever use the effect

[ruby locust]

Don’t do that anyways ??

[lofty widget]

but the block increase from the passive equip is worth about 7 ilvls

[oblique garnet]

nah not needed

[south zealot]

even moreso with tier

[oblique garnet]

100% not needed

youre trolling if you go UW in a +20 upper

[south zealot]

you need to absolutely spam the shit out of it

[south zealot]

what else do you run

[oblique garnet]

Reprisal

[south zealot]

nothing else is even remotely impactful

besides first boss area

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt matter its more damage

[south zealot]

sure a 20 is free asf

[coral marsh]

does us have all 3 raids fated this reset already?

[south zealot]

but i wouldnt say its trolling

[strong forum]

Not this week no

[oblique garnet]

its not worth it

[lofty widget]

idk wall could be nice for mana wyrm

thats wall vs rep on ST

[strong forum]

Reprisal isn't optimised in sim

[oblique garnet]

^

[strong forum]

Cuz you can't emulate it properly

[lofty widget]

right but on mana wyrm

youre hardly charging at all

[strong forum]

Which is true, wall might be better on that boss specifically

And on curator, cuz that boss' hitbox is fuck

[cunning pecan]

Let's go!

[oblique garnet]

you can charge on curator

to orbs spawn in japan because range is playing there

[cunning pecan]

Finally no more workshop runs.

[strong forum]

You can, but it's omega annoying

[oblique garnet]

also same on curator

[lofty widget]

yea i just charge adds when they spawn

[oblique garnet]

charge on explos

[strong forum]

I've not done upper kara without 5 tank so I can't really comment on how hard reprisal is to play

But only on mana devourer it should prove difficult

[oblique garnet]

did it once on a 20

[lofty widget]

it's not really possible to charge weave without leap

or explosives i g

[onyx vessel]

@strong forum

[ruby locust]

Mine does nature dmg

[strong forum]

Eyoooo!! Grats on matrix

Jealous

[chrome falcon]

yo that's a sick trinket

[onyx vessel]

ignores the codex

[chrome falcon]

304 ilvl? nice!

[still turtle]

simming currently but i think I am taking the legs. have codex at 298 that im not using and shield is 298 Arrowbreaker from GD

[strong forum]

Shield

No 2nd thought even wasted

Pick shield

[still turtle]

Yeah?

[cunning pecan]

i had that and the heal one couldn't get the haste to drop. it dropped once for my shaman buddy and he couldn't trade it because of ilvl lol.

[strong forum]

Shield is the single most important item to have high ilvl on

The block value is hugely important

[sweet summit]

stop using codex 😠

[strong forum]

He isn't using it, just saying that he has it

[still turtle]

im not using codex

[sweet summit]

vendor it 😠

[ruby locust]

As long as you have a melee near it’s not horrible to intervene and jump away to charge again when needed it’s annoying for sure but not difficult

[strong forum]

Intervene is obv easy

[dawn canyon]

pick codex to vendor it true sigma male

[sweet summit]

[ruby locust]

such a big peepee chad move

[sick sentinel]

change a bunch of weak auras last night
turn of pc without exiting game anyways

[ruby locust]

Very 5 head of you

[broken crater]

clever

[cobalt seal]

first

after picking shield

you remove that codex

from your bags

disenchant sell

and then you now can open everything as dps

[still turtle]

judging from the comments is there anyway i can throw my in-bag codex on the ground as a dead body and set it on fire?

[broken crater]

now that would be a waste of 70g

at least sell it

[still turtle]

good point

[weary vault]

If you have a 304 codex in your vault and you don't have a codex. What should you do?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[shut summit]

Take sockets

[urban portal]

i would say vendor

[cobalt seal]

this

[urban portal]

but you can vendor sockets for more money

[broken crater]

pick an item that actually scales with itemlevel and isnt trolling? 😛

[cobalt seal]

and actually isn't a dps loss

[zealous willow]

Warriors are rly good broo

[lusty grotto]

socketssss master

[weary vault]

It does scale? Have you not looked at it currently?

[zealous willow]

Massive executes ohh

[broken crater]

only the stamina

[weary vault]

No the whole trinket does

Go look at it

[broken crater]

the rest technically too but its meaningless since you never take that big of a hit

[lusty grotto]

i sense popcorn will be needed for this one

[broken crater]

message me when you get meaningful diff out of a 272 codex vs 304

[weary vault]

Why are 22 of the top 50 in the world using it then

[chrome falcon]

NO PLEASE

NOT AGAIN

[zealous willow]

Bro we have RDM why u look at codex ???

[chrome falcon]

I CAN'T DO IT

[broken crater]

[urban portal]

oh no

[lusty grotto]

[still turtle]

lol

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/choujeki-eating-popcorn-gif-14739088

[chrome falcon]

i'm begging you to just accept the trinket is bad and move on with your day

[lusty grotto]

i could see it coming a mile away lmao

[chrome falcon]

please

[shut summit]

The advice of the people in this discord is to not use it, if you choose to follow what others do then go crazy

[still turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/folding-chair-fold-up-chair-ready-watching-gif-11964736

[weary vault]

I can't. It's actually good. Use with OWS.

[broken crater]

I hope youre aware thats skewed by:

• people not having access to rdm/aegis yet
• people not having a clue
• the ladder being skewed in general due to people simply not playing
• lots of top players feelycrafting

[lime urchin]

Oh god

[weary vault]

What keys are you mooks pushing as prot?

[lusty grotto]

lmaooooo

[weary vault]

It's better in higher keys

[shut summit]

Ok

[chrome falcon]

22 of the top 50 is also less than 50%

[ionic fern]

[weary vault]

Nah I gotta come in here swinging

[lusty grotto]

did you not see Sense in TGP?

[zealous willow]

I wanted to talk , but its time read now

[ionic fern]

What are we talking about?

[lime urchin]

This is the other guy with a new name?

[ionic fern]

Is it Codex again?

Please let it be codex.

[urban portal]

hell yeah

[chrome falcon]

Yeah it's codex again

[ionic fern]

YESSSSSSSS

BINGO

Finally.

[weary vault]

Codex all day

OWS all day with it

[urban portal]

you got a codex copypasta?

[chrome falcon]

That's fine man you do what you want

[lusty grotto]

it always goes the same way, even 4 expansions ago

[ionic fern]

I am finally here for Codex talk.

No, i just want to read and be amused.

[south zealot]

everyone stop now

dont talk about the c word

[urban portal]

yeah im eating lunch

[broken crater]

to be fair you have to have a very high iq to understand codex

[urban portal]

you guys got this

im reading

[lusty grotto]

"thing is good", "why are the top 10 / streamers using it?" "what are your IOs"?

literally

the same

every time

for the most ridiculous assumptions

it never changes

[south zealot]

me and the boys are pushing this weekend

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

[lime urchin]

Me too!

[weary vault]

Lmao if you don't take a codex and you don't have one already or OWS. You're throwing.

[ionic fern]

What

[sweet summit]

what

[chrome falcon]

Incorrect

[ionic fern]

What logic is that.

[lusty grotto]

ima throw hella hard then

[chrome falcon]

Have a nice day though!

[ionic fern]

😂

[zealous willow]

Actualy i want some guy to push 3k rio with a int trinket and im sure ppl wont question it and use it

[ionic fern]

You can take off your trinkets and do +25's.

[south zealot]

yeah but kike

like

my parses

[shut summit]

🎣

[south zealot]

my dps

[urban portal]

changling

[south zealot]

[urban portal]

sheesh

more haste

[chrome falcon]

Alright who's ready for the part where they link a log of it doing good dps/hps without realising that that doesn't account for the lack of mainstat

I'm ready for it

Woo ha

[lusty grotto]

now i feel bad for memeing the other day when late muted me

[lime urchin]

Im out of popcorn ☹️

[mortal brook]

here i go throwing again not taking this codex

[zealous willow]

We must have a codex meme

[shut summit]

Rdm did 1200 DPS for me in 28 iron docks, shit is op

[chrome falcon]

we definitely need an emote for it

[ionic fern]

I am sorry guys

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

But you are all wrong

[chrome falcon]

rdm owns so hard

[zealous willow]

RDM is my baby i wont leave her for anything

[lusty grotto]

what if i just want to throw though

i like throwing

[ionic fern]

The r1 prot warrior on raider.io is actually playing:

So...

[lusty grotto]

im only a 15s babby

but throwing is fun

oh, are we doing fury prot now

like classic?

xD

[trail glacier]

r1 pwar playing fury cause he aint throwing

[still turtle]

i have OWS and Enforcers Stun Grenade equipped currently. ESG is pretty fun during burst. I dont have RDM yet

[drifting fable]

grenade aint bad tbh

[still turtle]

not at all

[ionic fern]

Okay so

Why did no one tell me

I need to run Punish

[trail glacier]

i blame nom ngl

half the time we hear oh i went in with wrong talent

[mortal brook]

ngl saw a 'if you're not playing this talent over that talent when you push you're throwing' in dreamgrove, to which the response is legit 'bro you are pushing with bear, that is the throw'

[ionic fern]

People are wild.

😂

Leaper chads.

Respect.

[shut summit]

Watched someone stream playing devastate night fae the other day and understood even more why prot warriors need something like BSV in dragonflight

[drifting fable]

dang 25 with kyrian unbreakable eh

[trail glacier]

@cobalt seal do you still have the screenshots of the i need a healer to pump w/ kyrian seismic in workshop guy?

[lusty grotto]

xD

[cobalt seal]

his text?

[ionic fern]

Don't bully. 😂

Now they will just get to die 2 times.

[shut summit]

Bullying would be saying his name, just was very eye opening lol

[sick sentinel]

a warrior tank from last night @ionic fern

[lusty grotto]

the champ

[trail glacier]

yeah the excuses he had for doing 50% less dmg than nom

[zealous willow]

Whee is the execute wtdffd

[cobalt seal]

should be in BT

[zealous willow]

We play warr cus if execute

[lusty tiger]

Was he undead??

[zealous willow]

I have execute on 10 keybinds so i dont miss

[lusty grotto]

yes

[broken crater]

8% codex on yogis key level wew

[lusty grotto]

he streams as well

from what we can tell

[royal lodge]

The grenade is one a huge cooldown when it lines up with avatar + 4 piece. I don't think it beats out RDM but it does have its place on the trinket list.

[drifting fable]

its probably one of the better dungeon trinkets for us honestly

but beaten by raid trinks

[royal lodge]

Agreed. I did the math and it provided a lot of defense and offense at the same time.

[still turtle]

yep, just got it macro'd. don't even have to think about it

[lone folio]

Should I get Enforcers Stun Grenade or pants? Both at 304 ilvl and same ilvl upgrade

[royal lodge]

I used that combo before I bought RDM. RDM is still significantly more damage over a dungeon.

[urban portal]

One guy ran it and didn’t even cast devastate once

[royal lodge]

I would definitely get the tier piece.

[urban portal]

Grenade is decent for burst

But the defensive value is not there

It’s like a 10% dr

It’s an offensive trinket through and through

[still turtle]

yep. i have aegis in my bag also so if i feel a key is going to be spicy i just swap them out

[urban portal]

Aegis ain’t feeling super hot this since pull sizes smaller

But still insane for pulls that you need them in

[lone folio]

Thanks guys! I'll go for the pants

[stark lance]

any sage wisdom for my first dinar? I have 291 aegis and a 284 vers bomb

[hazy edge]

ows

[royal lodge]

OWS

[stark lance]

thanks huns

If I wanted to go hella defensive is RDM good for pwar?

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

aegis is more defensive

rdm is more damage

[urban portal]

rdm is more hps on average

but aegis give you infinite hps in tough spots

[oblique garnet]

Gonna start playing with this just to fuck with people

[urban portal]

the fact that a ilvl 81 trinket gives 122 haste

is kinda insane

[oblique garnet]

Actually maybe i can find some even more troll trinkets from my bank

[south zealot]

has to be something that looks good

[coral marsh]

how do you proc reprisal outside of heroic leap and dash to ally

[south zealot]

shockwave walk out

[urban portal]

some variation of walking out

[chrome falcon]

casters

walk out

[sweet summit]

@oblique garnet play urchin

[oblique garnet]

Yep

Probably more hps than codex tbh

[sweet summit]

yep

[oblique garnet]

Actually gonna play it on w/e is the next boost we do and log it

[urban portal]

24 str vs no str

oof

[oblique garnet]

Think i deleted my opulence trinket with leech

[sweet summit]

oh i forgot prism existed

unlucky

[raw void]

i got my first Dinar do i grab Aegis since i already have OWS?

[oblique garnet]

Or shield or rdm

Do you do high keys?

[raw void]

i also have shield

i plan on it

[sand egret]

RIP DLRP

[oblique garnet]

Then go with aegis

[raw void]

kinda just farming gear

[distant crystal]

do you have the upgrade item

to use on aegis

[oblique garnet]

Rdm is good too

[distant crystal]

cause pointless to spend dinar then wait for upgrade to equip the item

[raw void]

my other trinket is a lfr gland

[distant crystal]

heh well that might do the trick then

[raw void]

what considers high keys

[lusty tiger]

+420

[urban portal]

If you need to ask that question then 20

[coral marsh]

all depends on your gear

there arent more mechanics above 10

[real fossil]

This isn’t true, because certain things you can ignore at lower key levels 1 shot you at higher levels

[lusty tiger]

^

[oblique garnet]

I mean

as tank at 15s

Unless its legion dungeons you can pretty safely ignore w/e

[coral marsh]

basically everyone who farms +20 is doing so with 304 gear, so i guess high key is +30

[chrome falcon]

?

people were farming 20s at 280

maybe 285

no-one is 304 avg ilvl

[real fossil]

High keys are more about coordination and planning than anything

[coral marsh]

+30 is when 304 gear stops carrying you thats what i meant

and you cant really get higher

[lusty tiger]

Higher gear isn’t carrying anyone

Have you never had a pug mage?

[chrome falcon]

if you're pugging like 25-26 is about as high as you can go

so "high keys" is just different for everyone

[lusty tiger]

My friend mentioned he though warrior apm would hold it back a bit from mdi/great push

I thought that was funny

Like your hands are sore like a dam starting pitcher lol

[toxic pewter]

we still wanna use ring that 7 ilvls lower if it has more haste, generally speaking, right

[urban portal]

likely

[lusty grotto]

well nothing new here, i got fucked on vault

[lusty tiger]

The trick is to lose all hope in vault

That’s an unsettling vault

[lusty grotto]

only thing that stands out, but i dont think its worth

even if i up to heroic

[lusty tiger]

Wow

[lusty grotto]

because i dont even know if i will do heroic lmao

[lusty tiger]

That is borderline take socket

[lusty grotto]

heroic is what ilvl? 298?

[urban bane]

Does flamewreath have a z axis?

[ocean yoke]

291 for most, 298 for last 2/3 bosses loot

[ionic fern]

My life

Is complete.

[urban portal]

nice codex you got there

[toxic pewter]

nice lmao

i got 2 of those in my bags also

[strong forum]

kinda cringe to be prot loot in workshop and not fury

fury gets the 1h, there is no 2h in there, and you avoid modular plating win-win

[urban portal]

and people say fury loot spec is sueless

[ionic fern]

It was my 1 weekly key.

For vault.

Do you really think i remember to swap lootspecs-

😂

[strong forum]

smh my head

[toxic pewter]

yeah damn fury does make more sense, never thought about it

[lime trail]

Man I just want a shield is that really too much to ask

[opaque crag]

I just picked up a 288 codex, but it's been nerfed if i remember correctly. is it worth running or should I look for better

[lusty grotto]

the answer you seek is in the pins

[opaque crag]

ah of course

[uneven mason]

🤮

[south zealot]

codex is awful

[opaque crag]

okay it is dogshit good to know

[uneven mason]

But the #1 Io uses it

[opaque crag]

wow it actually just does fucking nothing for prot

[south zealot]

prot takes very little damage due to high mitigation

codex is only useful if youre getting fucking blasted non stop

[uneven mason]

Under proper game play

[south zealot]

and

?

[opaque crag]

oh so it might be useful for me then

[lofty widget]

no

youd be better off with atrinket that has strength

[opaque crag]

i mash my fucking keyboard as prot

[south zealot]

if you just press shield block on cd

codex is bad

[opaque crag]

mm

thank you all

[toxic pewter]

Feel like fortified kicks my ass harder than tyran

i just got thrown around in a lower kara :/

[lusty tiger]

Which mobs?

[toxic pewter]

the horses near attumen

and all mobs

no one was kicking or stopping charges

[lusty tiger]

Well

Spear is good for that

Just not on u

[toxic pewter]

just got owned hard

[lusty tiger]

What level?

[toxic pewter]

20

[lusty tiger]

Yea but

Lower Kara is already like 4 levels above the others

[toxic pewter]

yeah i wont lie it does feel that way

even after nerfs

those mobs were hurting me through shieldblock

[lusty tiger]

They only nerf fking bosses from previous opera

[toxic pewter]

ya

true

[drifting fable]

nah they nerfed huntsman

just deleted the healer mechanic

[toxic pewter]

oh ya

didnt even make it to him just now

[lusty tiger]

Well I couldn’t see it except on the day they updated the ghost model

Even after that I could not tell at all impossible to see

last week was kinda funny watching dps get 1shot by 4+ bolster mobs doing just a casual shoot party member or something

[south zealot]

fort is objectively harder for a tsnk to deal with

those horses suck as well

[coral marsh]

fortified is always aids for tank while tyrannical is for dps

[median tulip]

Fort is generally harder for healers, too

[oblique garnet]

You can dodge the charges from horses tho

Like most of m+ damage is avoidable

With couple of exceptions

[median tulip]

On Fort weeks the DPS can survive a mistake. On Tyr weeks 1 mistake = 1 dead DPS

[sinful plover]

I feel tyr is easier than fort in pugs because players generally know boss mechanics better than lesser known trash mechanics that matter on fort week

Expect lower karazhan

That was a pug killer tyr week

[mighty valley]

it's mixed, part of the fear with tyrannical is that you make no partial progress if someone fucks up the boss and causes a wipe

in fact you might've gone backwards if you spent lust etc

on fort you're always making partial progress even with mistakes

[sinful plover]

True that big time waste, especially if lust is committed. And when I die as tank on fort often a dps can kite the pull back to me to avoid resetting.

Lower is my fav though because it was so fun learning the most mechanically packed dungeon I’ve played

🙂

[echo egret]

Tyrannical and Fortified must go. Lots of people have been asking that for ages.

[sinful plover]

Idk I enjoy it, changes things up

Keeps you on your feet

[toxic pewter]

what would replace it? just scaling for the entire dungeon?

[echo egret]

Yes.

[toxic pewter]

not opposed to it

[echo egret]

In the same vein, other affixes should bring interesting gameplay changes and not just variable difficulty/speed changes

[vestal moat]

When are they gonna do positive affixes like we have been asking for. One positive and one negative one per dungeon.

[toxic pewter]

it would be interesting for blizz to take a big gamble and just redesign all the affixes from the ground up

[echo egret]

Timing a +xx should be an accomplishment on its own and not depend on which week you did it

[toxic pewter]

anyone know junkyard boss order this week (NA)

[south zealot]

without tyran and fort i feel like the weeks kind of blend together

[echo egret]

I can name too many affixes that are just massive pains in the butt to play with, where slowing down massively is the only way to adapt

Necrotic, bursting…

[mighty valley]

necrotic is barely anything these days

[echo egret]

I disagree, strongly

[mighty valley]

I legit forget it's active for large chunks of keys

[echo egret]

When I do that and pull 3 packs together, I get to 100% reduced healing in no time.

[south zealot]

hmm

when you pull three packs together

an affix becomes more potent

who wouldve thought

[vale bobcat]

necrotic might be not be as bad outside of taz since it seems like there's less mob density in general from kara and mecha - and a lot more adds that cast

[south zealot]

not like more storming sanguine bolstering explosive bursting spiteful revolve around how many mobs u have near you

[vale bobcat]

and the two wod dungeons

[cinder storm]

You can go inside the dungeon without starting it, open your map and you can see where not to go

[mighty valley]

i just really push back against the community consensus that good dungeon design is when you can pull 20+ enemies at all times and shouldn't have to plan or work to make that not a nightmare

like, you watch the top players and they can still do this stuff, really fast

it just takes great players with smart plans

[cinder storm]

Well, top players have time and consistency, something most of the player base lacks

[echo egret]

I will certainly agree that “pull the biggest possible and AoE” being the best tactic, isn’t great design either.

I just dislike that there are so many discrepancies between weeks

[south zealot]

i thinks some dungeons like gambit do it well

a lot of tradh

some of it does nothing

some do some mjnor casts

[cinder storm]

Blizz forced us to like tyrannical that's all

[south zealot]

and one mob had a big cast

[lofty widget]

you very rarely die to affixes tho

except tyr/fort

[south zealot]

lower has some packs where there are two mobs with like 3 important casts

[mighty valley]

discrepancies between weeks is how you keep things from getting stale

[south zealot]

i cant remember a time my group died to shit on fort they wouldnt have on tyrannical

[cinder storm]

Lower adds have more spells than the whole SL dungeon trash

[echo egret]

Not when it changes the key level you can accomplish

[mighty valley]

that's relevant to the top fraction of a percent of players, perfect balance is a pipe dream

[south zealot]

if you cant do a 20 tyrannical key but you can do a 20 fort

or the other way around

[cinder storm]

Tbh, every week is a push week

[south zealot]

there is a different problem then the tyran fort difference

[cinder storm]

Some are just harder than others, but doable nonetheless

[south zealot]

objectively not true

[echo egret]

I must be too low skill then.

[south zealot]

push weeks are the absolute best weeks to push

[lofty widget]

every week is a push week tho

[south zealot]

you CAN push on all weeks

but calling it a push week is disingenuous imo

[lofty widget]

cause for 99.9 % of ppl their skill caps before affixes cap them

[cinder storm]

You just gotta play better on harder weeks

[mighty valley]

what level of keys are you pushing up to? blizzard has no incentive to make sure keys above 20 are super balanced in any way

[lofty widget]

^

[south zealot]

true

[echo egret]

I reached 22-23s in season 3.

[cinder storm]

22-24, I think one dps friend might be dragging us down lol

[echo egret]

Mostly pugging so going above that was hard

[mighty valley]

so you're just playing for bragging rights at that point

[south zealot]

or for fun

pushing high keys is hella fun

[echo egret]

I like the “I did it” concept, I don’t care at all about bragging to others 🙂

[mighty valley]

yeah, a challenge is fun, but you're defining your own challenge at that level

bragging rights isn't meant to be derogatory, you can be bragging to yourself, that's valid

[south zealot]

i dont like how depletes work

[lofty widget]

yeah youre pushing key levels until your skill cant keep up, the level is kinda pointless imo

[south zealot]

but i dont have a better solution

[lofty widget]

bring old depletes back

[south zealot]

what was old depletes

i dont remember

[lofty widget]

your key just died or something

[echo egret]

The challenge being on speed is also too specific

[vestal moat]

your key would be depleted and woud grant no loot

[cinder storm]

We are all just speedrunners

[vestal moat]

and therefore no one would sign up or want to run it

[south zealot]

i wish if you exit out of the key tou can try again with the same group at the same level

but i dont think that would be good in practice

just in theory

[echo egret]

They could make a new challenge by sending wave after wave of harder and harder bosses and trash - no speed, just how far you can go

[mighty valley]

i guess my only point is that hoping that blizzard puts a lot of time into making the m+ experience more balanced at the 25+ level is foolishness when the system is largely meeting its goals. are there things to improve? sure, but it's clearly not one of the biggest pain points in the game

[echo egret]

I agree it’s not

Raids not dropping loot feels more urgent 🙂

[south zealot]

keys are gonna have to have a max level

with infinite scalinf

[mighty valley]

i do actually really like static challenges for small groups that aren't time based

like, i love day 1 megadungeons

but that's really hard to hit the right level for a wide range of skill and gear levels

[echo egret]

With the scaling technology they can do plenty of designs

[pallid quiver]

as a random aside, ive got the arrowbreaker shield, upgradeable and all. Should I gamble my vault on prot for a 304?

[lofty widget]

yea

open in prot until you get a 304 shield

[mighty valley]

i mean, right now you could be like, let's get through a +30, don't care about timer. it would be a tough static challenge, it just wouldn't give you score points

[south zealot]

304 with leech

[mighty valley]

i did a 20 something vault of the wardens tyrannical in the first legion timewalking when it was v overtuned, me and my friends just slogged through it as if it was a 5 person raid, was really fun

[vale bobcat]

at this rate i wish theyd just tune the dungeons to be harder and just do a seasonal affix and get rid of the rest - like season 1 SL is a good foundation in terms of difficulty imo

(not prideful tho)

[cinder storm]

SL 1 was just a kite meta season

DH was bugged and pwar forgotten

[lusty tiger]

DH bugged?

[vale bobcat]

their conduit was bugged i think

[cinder storm]

Was doing more dmg than intended, and also was tankier

[south zealot]

hate this take

affixes are good

[mighty valley]

DH got like double the magic dr% they were supposed to be getting

[vale bobcat]

well if u say it, it must be true

[south zealot]

i think if u remove affixes

itll be boring as fuck

[vale bobcat]

having the same dungeons for 2 years already does that, i think if theyre on a rotation - affixes adds nothing and they'll continue to get nerfed/changed every time something new or weird happens in an old dungeon

[toxic pewter]

you guys think 63 speed is worth 13 haste

[lofty widget]

no

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[south zealot]

without affixes youre doing literally the same thing every week

[mighty valley]

even if some affix combinations feel bad, it's then good that some weeks feel like a relief

everything being flat removes the texture

there is no light without darkness or whatever the fuck

[sinful plover]

^^^

Once sanguine week is over the following week feels really fun and relaxing

[chrome falcon]

remove tyr and fort

[dawn canyon]

there is no push week without a "dont log in" week

[uneven mason]

What if they're all push weeks

[south zealot]

tyrannical would be fine IF it was like a hardmode boss

if its tyrannical week all bosses have an extra minor mechanic

[dawn canyon]

tyran hardmode king mecha

holy fuck

[south zealot]

tyran wouldnt increase damage or hp in this version tho

so its a harder but not unfair boss

some bosses on tyran are objectively unfair at high keys, while others in the same instance can be much easier

[lusty tiger]

More health on bosses means more executes and that’s all I care about

[cinder storm]

By removing tyrannical and fortified Blizz would have an easier time balancing dungeons

[chrome falcon]

no just remove fort and tyr i beg

they suck

bosses bounce between being absolute jokes and complete walls

the bosses should just be balanced

[lusty tiger]

It is true but it also changes the dungeon in a cool way like when you lust

But it is cancer having some weeks you know you’ll have to end up soloing certain bosses that are sure to delete your pugs

[grand locust]

i dont think im going to get a shield to drop this patch

ever

[lament shell]

oh na had vault today?

[uneven mason]

It's Tuesday

[clever heart]

as prot i assume we want to use mechagon rings for m+ right?
is the 3 hit = haste combo the best ?
Or is the magic damage absorb actually worth running ?

[lament shell]

yes 3 diff spells + haste

[clever heart]

ok ty <3. I heard somewhere the absorb ring was being used and wanted to check

[uneven mason]

Only shield I've gotten wass285 from the legion timewalking box

[sweet summit]

i'm still rocking 272 from last season

[mortal brook]

Still early in season. Some things equipped are 'waiting on better item'

[toxic pewter]

dang

i got 304 shield from terragrue and 304 weapon from vault

[clever heart]

ya true. ty ty ❤️

[vale bobcat]

maybe im not pushing high enough but there isn't an affix right now that changes what i do in a dungeon every week; that isn't a seasonal affix (which i said they should keep to mix it up)

so im still doing 'the same shit every week' in a sense

[chrome falcon]

nah i mean your plan should change based on fort/tyr

not much but it should change a bit

[uneven mason]

Mostly the size of the trash pulls

[lusty tiger]

Changes when you lust and what packs you can 2x or 3x pull

And if you chain pull or not

Like bolstering

[vale bobcat]

sorry i was referring to how the different affixes spice things up or "change" it up, i know fort and tyr do for sure

[lusty tiger]

They are different affixes but for example you may want a boomkin, ele, or lock to move casters out of sanguine

Or need to pull a pack into a different spot so y’all can spread for quaking

[vale bobcat]

yea cant say ive ever gone that far to min max the pulls at the 15-20 key range

but i get it

[lusty tiger]

Do you just hate your party lol

Just eat the quaking you swines

[vale bobcat]

i feel like ur referring to a specific situation cuz i can't think of a specific dungeon where u pull mobs to an area to deal with quaking easier?

[uneven mason]

#1 on interrupt

[vale bobcat]

like if ur heavy melee the fuck u gonna do

[lusty tiger]

Trash before last boss of GD

[vale bobcat]

if ur ranged u should be standing further out to begin with

[lusty tiger]

There are like 10000000 mobs that jump to the furthest enemy and 1/2 those interrupt

[vale bobcat]

i'm not sure how that relates to quaking

sorry im just learning that quaking is an affix for tanks to deal with (not being sarcastic, never really thought of it)

[onyx vessel]

reactive actually pumps

[lusty tiger]

It means you shouldn’t necessarily ALWAYS be standing far out as a ranged which was your argument to why tanks shouldn’t need to pull differently for quaking

[lusty tiger]

I think you’re missing all the affixes are a tanks problem wether you’re the first or last line of defense that needs to deal w it

[median tulip]

They really aren't. Explosive, for example, is Not My Problem

[lusty tiger]

Really

So when you have a big pull and everyone is pumping and one is going to blow up next to you and wipe

You just leave it?

[modern brook]

You're nuts if you're not clicking explosives tbh

80% of our kit is target agnostic

[wild hemlock]

explosives blow for prot warrior holy

[lusty tiger]

You help but are not responsible

[wild hemlock]

i noticed how easy they are playing prot pally last night lol

[modern brook]

You don't hunt them like you did in the vr days

[lusty tiger]

I mean one heroic throw

[modern brook]

But you clear them for literally free with aas without interrupting your rotation

[uneven mason]

The real warrior push weeks

[modern brook]

Blood warrior was pog

[vale bobcat]

so grievous is a tank problem too eh?

[sweet summit]

no?

[vale bobcat]

i am being informed that all affixes are the tanks problem

just gettin my facts straight

[lusty tiger]

Yea if your healer isn’t healing through your deep grevious you need to pop a defensive and fleshcraft

[vale bobcat]

i mean thats personal and not in relation to whats happening to the group

[lusty tiger]

Really?

So if you die it has nothing to do with the group

[mighty valley]

you should generally be aware of what's going on with your group lmao

[vale bobcat]

if i die after using personals, thats correct?

like what

[lusty tiger]

What?

[sweet summit]

huh?

confused

[vale bobcat]

if a healer dies or a dps dies due to grievous, what does that have to do with my popping a defensive or fleshcraft

[lusty tiger]

Rallying

[sweet summit]

idk it's very hard to die to grevious alone and i can't say i've seen it happen

[lusty tiger]

Rallying for others, use defensives for yourself

[sweet summit]

generally just a healer affix you don't think about

[vale bobcat]

but thats kind of my point, the affixes dont really change how i pull a dungeon

[sweet summit]

some affixes do

[vale bobcat]

if the difference is one pack or two pack, sure - route doesn't really change unless someone higher up in raider.io finds something better

[sweet summit]

but they've made a lot of the toxic affixes a lot more playable now, especially noticeable with old vs current bolstering

[lusty tiger]

Yep

[vale bobcat]

but its never 'oh its explosive week so lets change the route'

[mighty valley]

it's not just route, it's moment to moment gameplay too

[modern brook]

This is literally what I was talking about btw

[lusty tiger]

+++

[sweet summit]

what

[lusty tiger]

There is never a reason to not help your party members

The best keys are done by coordination

[minor helm]

It’s a dps down for me is my usual reason

[sweet summit]

same

dps loss innit

jokes aside Jerreeeeeee is right

[minor helm]

If they understood that dying and stuff lowered their dps they wouldn’t do it

[lusty tiger]

Yeah you can play selfishly without greifing your party

[modern brook]

I'm tryna grief the party tbh

[minor helm]

[lusty tiger]

A tanks job is to maximize party dps

And speed

[minor helm]

Think it’s more so to tank the mobs and stay alive

[mighty valley]

a tank's job is to be hot and cool

[lusty tiger]

Can’t do this without maximum party dps

[sweet summit]

eh

[mighty valley]

the team's job is to win the video game and not lose

[modern brook]

That's why I'm still here

[lusty tiger]

I just hate the mememe mentality like being too lazy to do things that make the run much smoother

[modern brook]

It's important to have the excuses lined up so you don't have to think when you transition to flaming your team

[lusty tiger]

Ahh right

I execute lines instead of bosses because I am a keyboard warrior

[modern brook]

Imagine blaming a warlock for not healing your grievous off

[lusty tiger]

He didn’t drop stones

I’ll do it

I’ll blame him

Or her

[timber coral]

think this will proc enough? 🤔

[lusty tiger]

Juicy

Avoidance

[onyx vessel]

Procs off dots

Behind target

Aka deep wounds

[timber coral]

Oh damn really?

That's sick

[sweet summit]

not always

[lusty tiger]

Yea apparently if you’re in their 270 degree can’t parry zone it will proc

[onyx vessel]

[sand egret]

is that true anymore? is not the case for DK

[sweet summit]

if you are "behind" the target when damage occurs it procs

[onyx vessel]

So never technically

[sweet summit]

it's not free proc from bleeds always anymore

[onyx vessel]

[sand egret]

sounds like just gotta get really good at Reprisal gameplay

[sweet summit]

not necessarily

just wiggle a bit lol

i'd rather have the 3 abilities one tho

[sweet summit]

so i'd take the weapon on the left (if that is a weapon)

[timber coral]

Intriguing........... I already have 304 sawtooth blade tho

[sweet summit]

ah

lucky...

maybe legs or sockets then

[south zealot]

bolstering, sanguine, necrotic, bursting

[vale bobcat]

still pull the dungeon the same way

and as mentioned fort/tyr would change that more than those affixes would

[south zealot]

if you pull everything the same way every week

you are objectively a bad tank

[mighty valley]

or you're not doing keys that push yourself

[south zealot]

true

[vale bobcat]

yeah i am objectively a bad tank

[south zealot]

youre either doing super low keys where you can afk for 10 minutes and still +++

[mighty valley]

did you pull all the plaguefall slimes on a bursting week without a mass dispel

[south zealot]

or youre trolling for fun

[south zealot]

the amount of times i died to that as fury is insane

had mage and monk or rogue

they just immune

and i had to take the shaft lmao

[lusty tiger]

That’s just dps warrior lyf

[vale bobcat]

i didnt tank in the previous 3 seasons, i only started tanking this season in SL

and yes i run between 15's to 19's because i dont try to min-max every single pull in the 20+

but i did pug a lot of dungeons last season, and if what u say is true - there are a LOT of objectively bad tanks

[mighty valley]

ok, so yeah, if the dungeon isn't set to a high difficulty, you can kinda do whatever

true

[south zealot]

ive only tanked like 10 dungeons before this season

[vale bobcat]

id rather stick to being an objectively bad tank tho

[south zealot]

generally you pull similar

but if theres a dangerous mob like the crab in jy

on fortified

why pull that with 2 extra packs when you can do it with the guy next to it

[lusty tiger]

Because I’d rather stick to being an objectively bad tank

[mighty valley]

it's whatever, if you're some genuinely average tank in pug groups, it's easiest to just hold W and do packs in a natural order, one at a time

and then the affixes are just slight increased numbers challenges for individuals, or things to react to

[vale bobcat]

this

[mighty valley]

i don't really know what we're arguing any more

[toxic pewter]

how much healing does that kul tiran human racial do

[vale bobcat]

affixes only matter at the high end, everyone else that doesn't play around them efficiently is an objectively bad tank

[mighty valley]

they clearly matter at the lower end, how many people get killed by their spiteful ghosts regularly in low pugs

[vale bobcat]

but again, even if i was pushing i dont think my route would change outside of pulling 1 back vs 2 or 3

if we fail, then i fix it

but doubt that its because of an affix specifically

and more about ppl not focusing the correct stuff, or not coordinating cds or w/e

[toxic pewter]

some affixes mess groups up thats for sure

[lusty tiger]

Well it certainly is something to think about

[toxic pewter]

doesnt matter the key level

[sand drum]

just took a look at a wowanalyzer and it says i overcaped on IP ? does that matter ?

[mighty valley]

no

[lusty tiger]

You want people to coordinate CDs > pulling appropriately?

[mighty valley]

not at all

press IP to make sure you don't overcap rage

[toxic pewter]

explosive for example can wipe group at any level if not dealtwith

[mighty valley]

you're going to overcap IP a ton if you're doing it right

[pallid quiver]

if you're overcapping on IP, you're probably playing right

[uneven mason]

Ignore that unless you're missing effective SB uptime

[sand drum]

normaly just check my block % and nothing else but wanted to see what analyze had to say

[fickle arrow]

How do use this wowanalyzer? Kind of hit a wall on some dungeons for mythic levels. And I am SURE I’m messing up a lot of things. What am I looking for specifically to get better or see the biggest improvement?

[lusty tiger]

Post a looog

But cpm, and block uptime, banner uptime

[uneven mason]

Log runs, post here

[sage hearth]

Anyone know if there is a haste cap? or haste DR point for prot that when hit we should switch to verse?

[lofty widget]

no sir

[uneven mason]

No

[sage hearth]

sweet. Was scared I had too much haste LOL

[chrome falcon]

i have 6% vers rn

[lofty widget]

vers is only for dmg, but then crit is there so

[fickle arrow]

Kinda was looking at what to analyze myself. I feel like a needy person having people analyze my logs for me 😅

[sick sentinel]

If I only wanted to tank 15's/16's is "The Wall" Viable? or is it too much of a DPS loss to not be getting the procced revenges? - I just feel so weird trying to learn reprisal. Everyone seems to love it but It just doesn't feel right

[chrome falcon]

it's not about the dps loss

it's about the shield block uptime

you can tank 15s without a legendary on the worst covenant

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit fuck i forgot to run urchin in the 24 JY

[chrome falcon]

i mean if no-one tells you how to do it there's basically no way of figuring it out yourself

[chrome falcon]

the revenge proc is the weakest part of reprisal

[cobalt seal]

dont worry

I forgot to do dmg