well like in shadowlands i played start and bounced off and came back at end
#protection
shadow haven
ionic fern
If your favourite streamer doesn't play the spec then the spec is garbage.
shadow haven
but what changed that made them so damage lackluster in shadowlands?
mortal brook
If your favourite streamer doesn't play the spec then the spec is garbage.
Twitter
ionic fern
but what changed that made them so damage lackluster in shadowlands?
We aren't lackluster? 👀
lusty grotto
so s2 came around and LUL reaping
dreamy wedge
but what changed that made them so damage lackluster in shadowlands?
Talent nerfs, talent placement changes, thunderclap getting absolutely dumpstered....at least until recently. We're fine now and were fine last season too.
shadow haven
We aren't lackluster? 👀
not now but I remember prot warr was miserable at beginning
ionic fern
But BoM/TC nerf/UF nerf smacked that playstyle right out of you.
ionic fern
not now but I remember prot warr was miserable at beginning
It wasn't...people just overreacted because "I CAN'T SPAM TC NOW IN AVATAR!!".
It was a total flip from the previous playstyle.
ionic fern
We weren't by any means top damage anymore - but we weren't horrible either.
lusty grotto
i mean sure we couldnt bootyclap but tclap got overnerfed
dreamy wedge
Thunderclap as it is is still Thunder-CRAP; it's so shitty that you ignore a conduit that buffs it on aoe in favor of execute damage because it's not worth it, and it's not worth tripling its damage with tier on aoe most of the time.
ionic fern
that playstyle could possibly return in dragonflight ya?
Yes.
lusty grotto
honestly lets be fair
mortal brook
Just like how many tanks are gonna fall over s1 of dflight cuz they got used to s4 slands
lusty grotto
thank god reprisal is gone forever
ionic fern
Too used to that NL banner playstle
lusty grotto
fuck it
dreamy wedge
Gonna be harsh going from "literally GCD haste capped with unlimited rage" to "mortal"
ionic fern
thank god reprisal is gone forever
Ban worthy offence.
shadow haven
i watched some video about a guy talk about the tanks in mythic plus and he said prot warr are very "clunky" atm but good
dreamy wedge
Reprisal is this expansion's biggest band-aid fix; even if it's powerful and fixes our issues
shadow haven
is the clunky he was referring to reprisal?
lusty grotto
late already muted me lmao 🙂
ionic fern
😂
urban portal
Thunderclap as it is is still Thunder-CRAP; it's so shitty that you ignore a con...
To be fair outbursting tc for damage would be worth
mortal brook
5 tanks are probably gonna have a bad transition. Bear transition should be smooth af tho
urban portal
If it wasn’t for the fact that it gives 0 rage
Rather minor rage
Vs half a bar from shield slam
ionic fern
is the clunky he was referring to reprisal?
If Prot warrior is clunky currently for someone then they aren't playing properly.
"Clunky" was used a lot earlier in SL when we had no access to Reprisal and NL was still trash.
ionic fern
5 tanks are probably gonna have a bad transition. Bear transition should be smoo...
Do you still cat weave?
mortal brook
Prob not, or very limited. Cuz of all the bear aura amps
Small gains from sunfire, furor, maybe
dreamy wedge
If it wasn’t for the fact that it gives 0 rage
I mean, fair, but still. Just that that's even a thing that happened is kinda lol.
mortal brook
But theres a lot of bear form only amps
dreamy wedge
Before reprisal when we couldn't survive without Sblock and had no way to keep it up we got slaughtered pretty hard; been a consistent issue with the spec. The DF tree looks like it helps to address some of those issues at least though
dreamy wedge
Tc is horrible for sure tho
At least it looks like it'll actually do something now! And the whole rend spreading thing is dope.
shadow haven
I just remember in the beta people said prot warr would be good because the spellblock legendary applied to all party and it got nerfed
ionic fern
We are back in it in df
REMEMEBER. It's a choice to pick TC.
Just that if you don't...you're inting.
lusty grotto
urban portal
It’s also a choice to not take enrage rampage on fury
dreamy wedge
To make the talent trees interesting you kind of have to design them assuming people are at least a baseline level of "not dumb"
mortal brook
A bear can choose not to be able to cast a moonfire in form
lusty grotto
the illusion of choice
mortal brook
This would be silly of course
dreamy wedge
If you assume people are such monkeys they'll always make wrong decisions you can't make decisions
mortal brook
With Gladiator stance
lusty grotto
i miss ye good olde talent roasts
collective sigh ensues
wolverine holding a photo meme with glad stance
i gotta be honest i didnt play a lot of glad stance
ionic fern
Just throw every talent ever over all the expansions in a row, give us 70 points and go ham.
lusty grotto
so i dont miss it that much but i understand people missing it
i played a pretty vanilla prot spec in WoD
i think that'd be extremely overwhelming mwahi
pallid quiver
"90.7 CPM"
lusty grotto
👍
vernal vale
How long did you have those ready for?
They are in a special folder on the phone now.
ionic fern
vernal vale
"90.7 CPM"
Gladiator was stupid fast I loved it.
It's why I like the way we play now.
shadow haven
Give locks a talent that allows them to tank and I'll go back to them
vernal vale
Push more buttons faster.
lusty grotto
locks? you mean WoW's main character?
vernal vale
Give Locks meta back.
Give locks that meta glyph thing that let them tank.
pallid quiver
Uninstall DH
vernal vale
That was fun during MoP
mortal brook
any alpha build now: 'okay we give up on dh'
shadow haven
That was fun during MoP
amen to that
shadow haven
let me be a caster and a tank on a class that isnt druid and I'm happy
ionic fern
Earth Shaman tank.
Sand/Time Mage Healer
Tinkerers
And we get
God damn dragons
Smh.
vernal vale
Lol
shadow haven
at least give them a tank spec
lusty grotto
ok that one i agree with
lusty grotto
at least give them a tank spec
no
vernal vale
Earth Shaman tank.
Sand/Time Mage Healer
Tinkerers
I've argued they should make arcane mages healers for years
mortal brook
there it is. the 'shaman tank' thing. its been 16 years
vernal vale
Let them keep thier boring rotation of 11111111211111111211111112
lusty grotto
there it is. the 'shaman tank' thing. its been 16 years
lol fr
shadow haven
Earth Shaman tank.
Sand/Time Mage Healer
Tinkerers
I'd be down for tinker, they would def have tank and ranged spec
lusty grotto
ranged tank when
ionic fern
there it is. the 'shaman tank' thing. its been 16 years
Never forgetti.
mortal brook
take your pain pills for the night, Hand of A'dal
ionic fern
😂
shadow haven
give monk fourth spec also for each celestial
lusty grotto
stop it
shadow haven
it can be caster or something
ionic fern
Agreed.
Let them micromanage each celestial at once.
ionic fern
😂
mortal brook
give druids a 5th spec. Dryad form. pet spec. you throw baby moonkins and faerie dragons at people and insist it's a wonderful day in the Dreamgrove, Archdruid!
pallid quiver
I think Druids should be obligated to get a spec with every expansion
And they just each progressively get lower and lower effort
lusty grotto
give all classes to the same character
shadow haven
paladin ranged spec with crossbow, like those crusaders
shadow haven
vanilla wow was supposed to have dual classes but only god knows how it would have worked
ionic fern
give druids a 5th spec. Dryad form. pet spec. you throw baby moonkins and faerie...
Seeing that they like the new "charge to increase damage of the ability" thingy now..does that mean that if i charge the "baby moonkin throw" it becomes older and older and increases the damage?
Add a nuance like
"If you manage to throw a TEENAGE moonkin it's a guaranteed critical strike and also inflicts mental damage"
shadow haven
down with alts
word, i just have time for 1 char
lusty grotto
Seeing that they like the new "charge to increase damage of the ability" thingy ...
mwahi
what in the everliving
fuck
lmao
ionic fern
lusty grotto
mortal brook
Seeing that they like the new "charge to increase damage of the ability" thingy ...
okay sold
lusty grotto
bahaha
shadow haven
what would warr 4th spec be? Shout healer or what
shadow haven
bard class, whatever happened there
ionic fern
IMAGINE if they made a class that could "attach" itself to any of the players to enhance their abilities and/or cast stuff based on the class they are attached to.
I would 100% play that class because i cba moving around. So i'd just attach myself to whatever and press 123.
ionic fern
Is that the dude who wiped for like 15h on a boss?
ionic fern
Dedication.
shadow haven
they didnt beat this one though
ionic fern
Oh i love first boss this week.
So many people die because they don't know what to do.
shadow haven
lusty grotto
lol
warm plinth
@ionic fern @lusty grotto hi ily
mortal brook
wow real doot doot
ionic fern
Morning 
lusty grotto
south zealot
bruh im in a normal raid run and these dps didnt want to take me to tank since im only 250
and these guys have no clue what theyre doing
T_T
warm plinth
wow real doot doot
Hi ily too
mortal brook
ionic fern
and these guys have no clue what theyre doing
That's my experience with every dungeon thus far outside of the SL ones.
👍
So i gave up again.
Will wait for a month and then hopefully people will be better.
pallid quiver
The funny thing is the issue that I've had is people failing to play the affix
like, no, we don't need the dps to pull two extra groups and then ST every enemy down, one by one
south zealot
Will wait for a month and then hopefully people will be better.
its lords of dread its been months 
warm plinth
Will wait for a month and then hopefully people will be better.
By the time you wait a month well be in pre-patch kek
ionic fern
Good night.
hearty saffron
It's only 7:30 am here xD it's good morning for us haha
drifting needle
Mythic Xymox (Sepulcher) is there a viable way of handling tank suck (other than swapping NF)? Normally do as DK/Pala
mortal brook
spellward, using the portals, making your cotank do it
spell reflect does not work on rings or glyph. which is feelsbad
drifting needle
Yeh a weird one, I’ll just go NF next rotation rather than swapping but wanted to double check if something else I missed to stay NL other than making co-tank have all the fun 😀
jagged pier
u can literally use SR SW and an external and just leap through the ring
pulsar fiber
Is there like a rule of thumb for the Slam?
Like don't cast if i have less than
X amount of rage?
i feel like im always starving
new to arm
s
oblique garnet
weak steeple
You don't take damage at all if you leap over a ring, do you? I just did Xymox yesterday, was pretty trivial to jump into position for the sucks
jagged pier
u cannot jump over the ring
weak steeple
I didn't take damage from the rings at all when I heroic leap'ed over them on mythic xymox. Tested on heroic before cause I wasn't sure either, but it definitely works
jagged pier
log pleas
weak steeple
mortal brook
No ring dam. Huh. Slipped in between ticks?
jagged pier
unless they have stealth nerfed it from last season u got incredibly lucky
weak steeple
Wasn't the only time I leaped over a ring. Did it on HC as arms before, then during those 2 pulls, never took any damage
mortal brook
Kinda pog
weak steeple
I can't imagine I managed to hit some specific server tick 4+ times in a row
jagged pier
well its a mechanic they didnt allow u to leap over last season
plush prism
I think I know the answer to this already, but just to make sure, what are the #1 and #2 to use Dinar on
jagged pier
they actually changed it from ptr if i remeber correctly
weak steeple
Yeah, maybe it got stealth nerfed. I didn't tank last season
jagged pier
yer that shows from your logs
weak steeple
Err, season 2. Whatever season this was
jagged pier
oh no your using the wall
weak steeple
Our actual tank is away, I'm off-specing, and not well :p
Don't analyze my logs, I'll never touch a shield again after tomorrow.
mortal brook
jagged pier
no i just look at everything else in a log it what we do 🤷
plush prism
so I buy the Old Warrior's Soul, right? lol
jagged pier
yes
mortal brook
Ows rdm. Gearing guide on wowhead has full recommends
plush prism
Ows rdm. Gearing guide on wowhead has full recommends
yeah following that mostly
whats RDM?
mortal brook
Reactive defense matrix. Think thats like no 5 on the recommend list tho
oblique garnet
they actually changed it from ptr if i remeber correctly
Think the rings work the sameway as painsmith leaps
warm plinth
Think the rings work the sameway as painsmith leaps
idk if you know this but there's a cute doggo in your pfp
oblique garnet
idk if you know this but there's a cute doggo in your pfp
vague otter
My doggo I'm getting tomorrow!
Sorry, saw someone mention cute doggo and I could not contain myself
robust quiver
In warcraft logs when i hover on "hits" and "amount" they show a pretty significant difference in blocked %. Is amount blocked the actual damage prevented from block (and therefore dependent on block value and not SB uptime)?
sweet summit
amount is damage taken
hits is hits taken
u take more damage when you're not blocking compared to when you're blocking so that one is skewed
robust quiver
i see, so if i want to evaluate my block uptime i should focus on hits i guess
sweet summit
yes
robust quiver
aight, thanks!
echo egret
Upper Kara last boss : Why was I told to wait before kicking on last platform ?
echo egret
ok, so when do I kick then ?
jagged pier
i believe u dont have to the cast just ends
u can just also inturpt it right at the end of the cast
cant rember if the cast wipes the group or not
echo egret
According to the dungeon journal, if you don't kick it will spawn guards at increased rate
violet lagoon
What is the correct way of using spell reflect on toxic monstrosity in junkyard? (the big sucky suck slime) While it's channeling consume or when the cast is about to be done?
hearty saffron
Is there any Niche to keeping banner up? and what requirements do I need to hit. When I cast it, it only seems to last 8 secs and its gone xD
jagged pier
has to be done before consume finishes
hearty saffron
I watched that vid in the Pin and it was at 30 seconds constant
jagged pier
Is there any Niche to keeping banner up? and what requirements do I need to hit....
playing correctly
hearty saffron
playing correctly
Lol xD
jagged pier
i mean its the truth
sure more haste helps
but theres no requirement on an x amount of haste
or anything like that
jagged pier
well if u dont have the leggo yu arent going to be able to do it
hearty saffron
yeah xD Was being a bit dopey haha litterally jsut dinged the warrior
jagged pier
queen hemlock
What is the correct way of using spell reflect on toxic monstrosity in junkyard?...
Im told before you get the debuff
Personally i just stood in it and waited for the refect to proc
And realised it doesnt do anything
Think it only absorbs heals
sweet summit
definitely does damage
vague otter
playing correctly
I pop all my CDs and make sure I don't overcap on rage and I can't seem to maintain a banner buff for longer than about 45ish seconds
jagged pier
well cant tell without logs what your doing wrong but your doing somthing wrong
pretty sure your arent pressing your buttons like you say you are
cobalt seal
if you have 45s banners
you aren't pressing buttons
(at least as much as you should)
cobalt seal
😐
mortal brook
A lot
vague otter
Right
jagged pier
😮💨
cobalt seal
what your ilvl?
cobalt seal
do you have legos at least?
vague otter
Yeah got both of those
cobalt seal
can you transform items to 4p?
sweet summit
meaning it also generate 200% more rage/
yea
vague otter
Not currently. im still in a few greens
knowing that i misread the 2piece is good
Do you generate more rage for each individual mob hitting you?
sweet summit
nah
cobalt seal
Do you have sand relics on other chars?
broken crater
Not currently. im still in a few greens
dont forget sandworn relics in case you have em
vague otter
yeah ive spent them 🙂
idealy i dont want to upgrade a piece unless i can upgrade it in the season
cobalt seal
idealy i dont want to upgrade a piece unless i can upgrade it in the season
?
idealy you want 4p as fast as possible
it doesn't matter the ilvl
flux is a irrelevant currency
if you have something to transform to 4p
you do it
no matter what
broken crater
idealy i dont want to upgrade a piece unless i can upgrade it in the season
why not? you have like 30 charges anyways
flux is only limiting early on
queen stag
Is Faulty Countermeasure good for prot? (Vault of the Wardens trinket)
jagged pier
its solid ST damage
queen stag
Sounds thicc
vague otter
Thats true. I've only got 1 piece taht can be upgraded anyway lol
eternal goblet
Any trinket from legion time walking thats worth getting for prot ?
mortal brook
its all kinda bunk cuz dinars exist this season
all the sticks are worse than ows/gland, all the absorbs are worse than aegis, all the procs are worse than something like rdm or fusion amp
mortal brook
Beats fusion amp for you?
chrome falcon
it doesn't beat fusion amp in sims
jagged pier
yes but
according to sims
chains of domination and heart of the swam are 2 of our top 3 trinkets for damage
oblique garnet
🙂
lime urchin
chains of domination and heart of the swam are 2 of our top 3 trinkets for damag...
For m+?
little idol
is fusion hacker any decent for prot warrior?
karmic plinth
u can sim it but generally speaking u prefer a weapon with secondaries
might be ur best if its ur highest ilvl
cobalt seal
u can sim it but generally speaking u prefer a weapon with secondaries
like the secondaries on weapons matter
karmic plinth
most sims ive done have weapons with secondaries outsimming the fusion hacker
strong forum
Then that's your play
In aoe stats will win regardless, in ST fusion hacker can beat weapons with stats, especially if ilvl upgrade
sudden shell
You take what the vault giveth
trail glacier
just play only on tr
uneven mason
Which is why bis lists are bullshit
But My pawn strings say that vrit is bis
sudden shell
Just gotta sim every single time you get a new piece if trying min max
cobalt seal
Just gotta sim every single time you get a new piece if trying min max
(it was sarcasm)
sudden shell
Everyone knows tanks stack speed / movement speed anyway
uneven mason
reject VRIT
Verscrit always best
vernal flax
Does anyone else feel really squishy in execute windows in M+? What is the guidance during that?
brittle owl
Verscrit always best
REJECT
chrome falcon
keep shield block up
brittle owl
sudden shell
Get more weakauras
vernal flax
Do I ignore pain during execute or just keep block up?
uneven mason
Does anyone else feel really squishy in execute windows in M+? What is the guida...
Don't neglecting them mitigation buttons unless you heals can handle it
chrome falcon
depends if you need to ignore npain
as long as you keep block up
you shouldn't need to IP
uneven mason
Sb is a DPs gain anyway
chrome falcon
but it depends what you're fighting
sudden shell
And blame the healer if you do die during execute spam
vernal flax
I just say "heal me, I'm blasting" and the healer sighs.
chrome falcon
i mean if you die during it then you fucked up
if it's a heavy magic damage boss and tyrannical you'll need to IP
but most bosses you can just keep up block and go for it
vernal flax
Got it. Thank you. I am likely DPS braining and dropping block at some point when I get chunked.
sudden shell
Get a die move trinket :()
vernal flax
My trinkets are hot trash sadly. I have ocular gland and soleahs. No die or live buttons. Might switch to Enforcer's Stun Grenade.
Missed 3 weeks of dinars sadly
strong forum
I mean soleahs and ocular gland are perfectly good trinkets
Only very few trinkets are better
Stun grenade isn't one of them
grave crane
278 decanter baby get at me
sudden shell
I got a stone legion and earthbreaker but this like my 4th alt
Subcreation got stun grenade pretty popular
mortal brook
cuz it drops ez
cobalt seal
My trinkets are hot trash sadly. I have ocular gland and soleahs. No die or live...
SB-SW-IP those are your live or die buttons
Shout
royal lodge
I used the stun grenade before I bought RDM from vendor. It was nice to bind stun grenade to avatar for a stronger cooldown but the RDM does significantly more damage throughout a dungeon.
hearty saffron
Do we ever use Whirlwind as a prot warrior
or is it always more beneficial to use Revenge over it
royal lodge
No.
hearty saffron
awesome
royal lodge
Most don't even have it on the action bars.
hearty saffron
I don't either, It made me curious as to if there was an actual use for it xD
thanks for the info 😄
royal lodge
De nada.
uneven mason
I don't either, It made me curious as to if there was an actual use for it xD
It's primary use is to trap new prot warriors by confusing them
hearty saffron
I seee, Like a magicarp using splash
sudden shell
I think you learn WW few lvls before thunderclap lol
uneven mason
Of all the buttons to get deprunrd ww has been by far the least thought through
fringe dirge
Mid 30s, been playing wow on and off since vanilla. Primarily warrior, prot/fury
coral marsh
on jailer do i taunt whenever the other tank gets blue circle in phase 2?
coral marsh
how do i make sure he always casts pillars when los mechanic drops? sometimes he doesnt even when im close to hole
lofty widget
pillars appear where ppl drop in holes with the bombs
chrome falcon
^
you can't make the boss cast anything
it's a set sequence
if people fuck up bombs you won't get pillars
jagged pier
how do i make sure he always casts pillars when los mechanic drops? sometimes he...
u should always be close to pillars or pillars that are about to come up when he casts los
also at 60% he will just cast the los mechanic and any pillar that hasent been triggered will auto come up anyways
serene haven
is having unity on waist bad?
balmy canyon
Any of the legion TW trinkets worth it this season? I got some time today and I'm wondering if its worth farming them
undone verge
no
Faulty countermeasure is pretty good, but we’ll replace it with dinar’d trinkets
jagged pier
its actually pretty trash in aoe and ST acording to sims
wouldnt give it the time of day tbh
balmy canyon
Besides OWS are there any dinar'd trinkets that are good for dps? Most of the ones I've seen talked about are tankyness increases
hazy edge
For pure dps ows+fusion amp is probs the best
sudden shell
Gavel + shield fury warrior tank
past locust
would that work? Not much to go on with subc for kyr
lime urchin
This doesn’t look like necro lord at all!
past locust
ill be going necro when i go higher keys and actually get 4pc lel
lime urchin
You prefer the yuuhuus over the Primus?!
past locust
owlorgy
dawn canyon
start NL with 2p
sudden shell
Don't think you need unnerving focus if not Necro
dawn canyon
might aswell start getting it right
past locust
well 2pcs den. only used da boost the other day
sudden shell
Unerving focus for Necro boost banner uptime
past locust
yeah that makes sense
dawn canyon
2p is enough to get high banner % but a tad harder
past locust
Don't think you need unnerving focus if not Necro
so go clamps with Ashen?
sudden shell
You can run it helps with IP spam
ocean yoke
unnerving is still nice when not necro, makes last stand a far better cd with all the rage
sweet summit
Don't think you need unnerving focus if not Necro
you play it regardless
jagged pier
Don't think you need unnerving focus if not Necro
its still our best conduit
sweet summit
so go clamps with Ashen?
can go ashen over aaf if u need it
jagged pier
regardless of necro or not
past locust
ooo yeah possibly
uncut dome
Gimme dat juicy ows when reset hits 🤤
cunning pecan
I just got my 285 OWS last night. Still missing three heroic bosses to upgrade it to 298. Pug life is hard, wish my guild was playing still.
uncut dome
Ah sweet my man!
sick sentinel
dont have any valor rn
lusty tiger
Get some then do that
sick sentinel
so should i use fusion before i upgrade scepter
lusty tiger
Yea for ilvl
sick sentinel
ye fair
nova cloak
so i'm confused. do i play the fusion hacker or the sawblade on 298 or doesnt it matter?
sick sentinel
i think fusion is worse than most 1hs if equal ilvl
cause no secondary stats
no defensive value
and the effect is meh
nova cloak
so any 1h on same ilvl = better?
tropic gorge
Nice to see ilvl is still king
lusty tiger
I think what you’re asking is:
1h > hacker same ilvl?
nova cloak
exactly
lusty tiger
Yes
lusty tiger
Yeah but if you’re not bis defensively you’re still better with the stats I would think
cobalt seal
mellow bridge
The stats on weapons barely matter defensively
lusty tiger
Well fair
lusty tiger
But do they matter any more than the damage from a wep proc
sick sentinel
on st its good but on aoe its bad
cobalt seal
yes
lusty tiger
There’s not a ton of single target only content right now
sick sentinel
i shoulve specified its for m+
cobalt seal
the question was answered "ST sim, AoE dps loss"
lusty tiger
Yeye
coral marsh
i get flamed for moving too much at jailer and dont know what to do
always need 3 yellow holes after los/chain right?
undone verge
I can’t remember if there’s always a chain after bombs, but generally watch timers and be by 3 open holes before each set of bombs
Unless chains is happening before bombs
cinder nova
Mid 30s, been playing wow on and off since vanilla. Primarily warrior, prot/fur...
Shocking. I've been on since Vanilla, but NL has been putting a lot of strain on my thumbs and wrists. Weirdly, it also puts strain on the top of my shoulder - I guess I just tense up when I am going full zugzug 85+ CPM.
icy flax
I was literally about to say something about that, I play vdh with 40% haste, 70ish % after the bounties near the end of a dungeon, and I feel like if i stay playing prot warrior I'm gonna get rheumatoid arthritis
lusty tiger
You will
And so will I
We can all file a class action lawsuit against the mods of this disc
chrome falcon
Cowards
urban bane
What ergonomics have you tried introducing?
Legit I changed my posture and that took away nearly all problems with pain
lime urchin
Shocking. I've been on since Vanilla, but NL has been putting a lot of strain on...
Same here, but I am really struggling getting from 62ish cpm to 75+cpm
It may also have to do with playing on a 11 year old potato with -4fps
urban bane
Also not using a MMO mouse has probably saved my right hand from destruction
lusty tiger
Yeah after 100s hours raiding with heroic strike bound to 2 which I press on my mmo mouse. I will never recover
oblique garnet
Also not using a MMO mouse has probably saved my right hand from destruction
Right hand ?
urban bane
I’m saying spamming buttons with your thumb
uneven mason
Mouse for keybinds
lusty tiger
Thumb needs to traverse your mouse num pad
urban bane
On a mouse
oblique garnet
Late just has a 3rd hand
👀
lusty tiger
Prot warrior is just a typing game set to breakcore
oblique garnet
Im honestly surprised my keyboard is still working
lusty tiger
What kind
lusty tiger
I have a g815 with browns
urban bane
I broke the mechanical switch for my “4” key a few times lol
lusty tiger
I never use my keyboard numbers
lusty tiger
Unless I’m like scratching my face
dawn canyon
I never use my keyboard numbers
???
lusty tiger
I use mouse numbers
I don’t like stretching my wasd fingers up for the numbers
Also ctrl + 1 for example
Much easier with keyboard control and mouse button # 1
chrome falcon
Idk how my logictech has survived since siege of orgrimmar
uneven mason
Apparently its razer <:keks:936231610850897992>
Razer products lasting beyond 6 months is miracle level
chrome falcon
Legit lived through legion AND 9.2
oblique garnet
Razer products lasting beyond 6 months is miracle level
I have had good experience with their keyboards
lusty tiger
Legit lived through legion AND 9.2
Your keys must be sensitive like the bowels of an elderly person
pallid quiver
Do you live near an elementary school? It may be going out in the dead of night to feast on the souls of younglings.
pallid quiver
Keyboards generally are a lot more durable, since they don't need as many sensitive parts (optical lasers, small switches in vulnerable locations, etc)
lusty tiger
I had a keyboard that hosted an ant colony and I had to throw it out it was about 6 years old
lusty grotto
razer shit doesnt last, which is why i hvent bought anything from them for the past decade
lusty tiger
I’ll never forget bringing a bowl of ice cream to my desk and in 5 minutes it was covered full surface area with ants
lusty grotto
corsair kb and logitech mouse is fine for me
chrome falcon
I hate buying razer but they’re the only ones I can find making left handed MMO nice that suit me
lusty grotto
ah that blows
pallid quiver
Being a lefty has to suck for buying MMO mice. I think Corsair used to have a left handed version of their, but
Well, used to is the important key phrase
pallid quiver
i use mmo mice even for fps games
i like the bulk
lusty grotto
late and me are part of the no-mmo-mouse club
lusty grotto
same
dawn canyon
Does that count
lusty grotto
does it count if i use them for browsing?
lusty tiger
Does that count
Are you by chance a piano player with big skeleton hands?
lusty grotto
i dont have big hands either lol
lusty grotto
pretty average sized honestly
lusty grotto
lul
lusty tiger
Well it does clear up some binds
pallid quiver
I think he means the double click movement
lusty tiger
How do you strafe
lusty grotto
a d are strafe
pallid quiver
press a and d or whatever your strafe buttons are
dawn canyon
How do you strafe?
A and D
lusty grotto
you know you can bind strafe to a/d right?
dawn canyon
Just instead of W i hold both click down
lusty grotto
that way you never keyboard turn
dawn canyon
So i can spam 234 freely
pallid quiver
I use the double click movement a good amount, too, though I also have W for forward
dawn canyon
that way you never keyboard turn
I rebound it the day i installed wow
pallid quiver
It helps when you want to instantly snap to a direction
edgy grail
I hate buying razer but they’re the only ones I can find making left handed MMO ...
You aren’t ok with ambidextrous mice?
lusty grotto
also my S key is bound to demo
lusty tiger
But that is missing like 20 keybind potentially
chrome falcon
You aren’t ok with ambidextrous mice?
i could probably learn but i bought 3 leftie razers last time they were on offer so
lusty tiger
I’m still unable to fathom not using mouse numbers
lusty grotto
20? shit i must not be using some abilities
edgy grail
They make good stuff if you see on around and can try it I’d recommend it
lusty tiger
I use like 36 keybinds
^
strong forum
About 35
lusty grotto
36 + 6
lusty tiger
If you want to play pvp hunter or shaman you need like 40 keybinds
lusty grotto
12 per bar
strong forum
It's 12?
strong forum
Haven't looked at bars in forever
lusty grotto
yes its 12
strong forum
So I guess I'm using more than 40
lusty grotto
so 42 binds
strong forum
Cuz I use like 4 bars
lusty tiger
Cuz I use like 4 bars
Do you use and mmo mouse?
strong forum
Hell no
lusty tiger
So you press them all with your wasd hand?
lusty grotto
strong forum
Yes
strong forum
Shift + ctrl + alt 12345 qertfzxcv^ F1 f2 f3
delicate kraken
Those hand cramps looking crazy
lusty tiger
How tf are you reaching f1,f2,f3
uneven mason
People can't reach Ctrl and 7?
strong forum
You just do?
urban portal
i cant do 7
strong forum
I don't like 6 and 7
lusty grotto
i cant reach 7
urban portal
5 is sketch to me
delicate kraken
Got them NBA Hands
lusty grotto
6 is stretching it
uneven mason
Gorilla hands master race
strong forum
lusty tiger
There is no easy precision from fully extending your hand and then back to curled
Maybe if you don’t use wasd to move but still need ad to strafe
Your hands are insane
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
delicate kraken
Any clickers in chat
strong forum
Decades of training
delicate kraken
lusty grotto
sure i click... my hearthstone
uneven mason
Move your movement to R,D,F,G
lusty grotto
does that count?
urban bane
Shift Z is a goated key bind and no one can change my mind
lusty grotto
facts
lament shell
shift + y?
uneven mason
Shift Z is a goated key bind and no one can change my mind
That's my shirldwall
lament shell
or german y
undone verge
S is middle finger D is pointer finger
strong forum
That's an index finger bind
lusty tiger
AWS: pinky, ring, middle
lusty grotto
oh
strong forum
A is ringfinger
lusty grotto
i think we found the problem
uneven mason
Pinky is for mods keys
lusty grotto
lol
strong forum
Nah
lusty tiger
And my palm does control
strong forum
Pinky rests on shift
strong forum
^
ocean yoke
pinky on caps lock to get the flame out faster
lusty grotto
true true
lusty tiger
pinky on caps lock to get the flame out faster
XD
lusty grotto
shift does the caps lock job honestly
strong forum
Your palm does control holy
urban bane
Pinky on A?
strong forum
Where is your thumb
lusty grotto
dont even know why caps lock exists still lmao
lusty tiger
Space bar for thumb
strong forum
Good
lusty grotto
wish i could remove functionality for it and use as a normal key
strong forum
Caps is just 🧢 but S
lusty grotto
lolll
strong forum
lusty grotto
what a dad joke
strong forum
uneven mason
Lid lock
echo egret
Why did Riftmaw attack 1-shot me on fated heroic difficulty ?
jagged pier
Why did Riftmaw attack 1-shot me on fated heroic difficulty ?
did u take 2
echo egret
No
jagged pier
thats the only way
lusty tiger
Rend or shadowcum
jagged pier
or u intervened your co tank on the first one
lusty tiger
or u intervened your co tank on the first one
This tbh
uneven mason
or u intervened your co tank on the first one
Intervening the ot for reprisal
Eating the debuff
echo egret
I didn't have the debuff
lusty tiger
It does a lot of damage if you have rend ticking and are undergeared
Mythic was nuking me when I didn’t know to sr shadowcum
strong forum
I didn't have the debuff
Then were you a dps?
Cuz M8, you can't get 1shot if you didn't make a mistake....
uneven mason
Then were you a dps?
Unfair question, prot always dps
lusty tiger
^
echo egret
I'll check logs after the raiid
lusty tiger
My first couple runs i accidentally taunted the second non rend attack because I was nervous and lost count
Had no idea until raid lead was like wtf bro
chrome falcon
Why did Riftmaw attack 1-shot me on fated heroic difficulty ?
do you have logs?
echo egret
We're still in raid 🙂
lusty tiger
U can post mid raid
How else do you see your parses after each boss so you can target which dps to beat every fight
echo egret
But I'm confident it was Riftmaw, Rend, then me taunting for Riftmaw, dead
lusty tiger
Also you may have pulled threat without realizing
oblique garnet
You die
ocean yoke
could you go to the pull on details on the death tab?
lusty tiger
So if you stood on top of your cotank during it
^ this too!
echo egret
I'm running Skada
lusty tiger
Is that code for something?
uneven mason
I'm running Skada
We're going to party like it's 2009
lusty tiger
Or warmane
uneven mason
Is that code for something?
It's like details without the ability to capture details
lusty tiger
Yeah ik lol but it seemed like a troll reason to not be able to provide fight details
oblique garnet
It's like details without the ability to capture details
We have few people who still use recount
lusty grotto
i didnt even know skada existed still
echo egret
I dismissed details a while back
oblique garnet
WR 27 btw
lusty grotto
holy christ recount
uneven mason
We have few people who still use recount
They still running KTM
lusty grotto
im still running ktm 😦
oblique garnet
Details is literally useless if you have logs
lusty grotto
i dont even know why tbh
urban portal
Details is literally useless if you have logs
except banner uptime
uneven mason
i dont even know why tbh
Because we're boomers
lusty tiger
Details is literally useless if you have logs
For toxic details reporting to party/raid/guild in game
lusty tiger
Or showing my 100k executes on mists first boss
oblique garnet
except banner uptime
I mean yeah but i dont really pay any attention to my details until the end of the run
In m+
i dont care if my dps are doing 100K or 10k it doesnt matter to me
lusty tiger
It feels nice to know sometimes
oblique garnet
Why? So you can pinpoint whose fault is it if you wipe?
lusty tiger
Yeah
lusty grotto
yeah but to be fair, i also dont look at details unless someone says something or if im dead
lusty tiger
Well I just complain to my buddy over comms
Sometimes it’s positive too
Like when an off meta spec is pumping it hypes you up a bit
toxic pewter
On grimrail 2nd boss (nitrogg) should I be grabbing cannon ammo and rocket or is that more of dps job
lusty tiger
LOL
toxic pewter
i usually dont pick anything up
distant crystal
everyone else's job
distant crystal
you can't get aggro on new stuff when you're using weaps
oblique garnet
You can pick it up if it looks like it would expire otherwise
oblique garnet
I usually always pick the first one
toxic pewter
Ok
is there a way to differentiate what is being picked up
i see glowing yellow on mobs
i guess the type of dead mob drops different stuff right
delicate kraken
I am busy grabbing mobs and stuff
Pad, dps can fend for themselves
toxic pewter
yes 😄
echo egret
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nf8dMRGk1BVc6nxh/#fight=6&type=deaths if you want to check that Riftmaw thing
chrome falcon
yeah
both times you tanked 2 riftmaws
you know that it's a cone, right?
just because you didn't have threat doesn't mean it won't hit you
echo egret
I certainly forgot it was a cone
chrome falcon
yeah that'll do it
lusty tiger
When “tank combo” time is like 1.5 sec you need to split off the other tank
chrome falcon
dunno
i just checked what you had taken damage from
in the 5 seconds before you died
lusty tiger
Maw is 2 part
ocean yoke
How can i see what debufffs I had when I deid on logs ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nf8dMRGk1BVc6nxh/#fight=6&type=auras&source=4&spells=debuffs&ability=359976 you can see the times at least for the debuffs
can just see from the deaths though that you took 2
royal lodge
Yup, just don't take two of the same debuff and stand apart from each other during taunt swap. Get closer afterwards because of the shared damage.
coral marsh
when exactly should i taunt on jailer, after the second hit or later?
cinder nova
Same here, but I am really struggling getting from 62ish cpm to 75+cpm
Really? You might want a gamepad, key mouse, or just rebind your shit because it sounds like you have buttons that are really awkward to press together or in quick succession.
You can take two in a row, just don't take two riftmaws in one combo.
You should be alternating rend.
So if you have rend debuff and it starts with rend...
Tank B Taunt > Rend > Rift > Tank A Taunt > Rift
If your cotank as rend and rend is starting
Rend > Rift > Tank A Taunt > Rift
You could probably survive a double Rift if you pressed damn near everything
But not adviseable
royal lodge
Yup, no tank should take 2 riftmaws. The order of the abilities is not consistent. The big thing is the abilities are cleaves and the tanks have to separate during the swap.
When I have a PUG tank in my raid, the cleave thing is usually forgotten.
cinder nova
You could just get DPS to taunt on rift
chrome falcon
mm tbh the scarier thing would be bleed stacks but bopping those off is easy enough
uneven mason
I learned my lesson on zul relying on bop
uncut dome
Got it thanks
hearty saffron
Haste Versa on leggos right?
cinder nova
mm tbh the scarier thing would be bleed stacks but bopping those off is easy eno...
idk on H I got two rends last night with an absolute dogshit PUG group and felt fine.
echo egret
What makes OWS better than other stat sticks ?
chrome falcon
well sure but if we're talking a full solo then that's a lot of stacks
cinder nova
It's 235 haste
chrome falcon
though i guess when the boss goes down you can reset
cinder nova
I dunno what's hard to understand
chrome falcon
it's better than other stat sticks because it gives you a huge shitload of stats
and it's our best stat
cinder nova
It's STR (best stat) plus a lot of haste for basically the entire fight after it ramps (best secondary)
Nothing even gets close.
echo egret
Then I didn't do the maths correctly
mighty valley
Haste Versa on leggos right?
Sure, haste/whatever is fine
cinder nova
Also keep in mind while you can calculate a "median haste" with proc/use trinkets, in practice when that haste happens is going to be probably way different than what's on paper and will also determine how useful it is.
Holding, for example, the use of a sheet music until the right phase means you aren't sending it on CD, which is lost uptime.
OWS is our 24-hour release capsule on haste, it's all fight.
lusty grotto
does anyone have a handy dungeon drop thingy that's not aids like the dungeon journal?
echo egret
oh and why isn't OWS on my Dinar vendor ? I have a bad feeling about it
echo egret
lol got it
I was at the quest one
I was afraid I needed to kill fated hc Sylvanas to have access to it
lusty grotto
weird that you would think that considering the dinar loot is normal ilvl
upgradeable of course
echo egret
well my guild decieded they cba with more than a couple wipe on rehearsed content so we didn't kill everything and I was afraid Blizzard had planned a countermeasure
lusty grotto
does anyone know which specific neck is the one that drops from WoD dungeons
or is it random
lusty grotto
hmm
queen hemlock
Got 2 diff helm before
cinder nova
Why, exactly?
lusty grotto
def faster than streets to get weap/shield
depends if you get a higher haste version
upper kara also has a high haste/low vers neck
gambit ornate is good but its high crit low haste
queen hemlock
I guess i cant be too certain how much diff they make but good luck mang
fallen belfry
How are you guys doing medivh... Tanked a 21 upper and barely got through that boss.
strong forum
Press SR on the last missile tick to not get the debuff
fallen belfry
Yeah but that's only every 2nd or third
chrome falcon
give your group a loose kick rotation
let them know you're saving your kick for yourself
cinder storm
He ignore you and uningnore you
vestal moat
what pull
south zealot
and he pulls a pack into the nullifier dude even after i linked my route
i can live it theres just no reason to do it
this
limpid saddle
whats the best loa for zandalari prot
oblique garnet
Hey lets bolster the nullifier for no reason
meager locust
medivh fucks me up
cinder storm
Lol at the no wonder you are sub 2700, most people are not even hardcore pushing
oblique garnet
Its a dumb pull
south zealot
yes
cinder storm
Smooth brain dps
south zealot
double 2x pulls
vestal moat
that guy is also sub 2700 it should be said
south zealot
hasnt even been a push week io doesnt rlly mean anything
lusty grotto
report him for social contract breach and help out the rest of us
lofty widget
every week is a push week
cinder storm
every week is a push week
That's my mantra
south zealot
i refuse to push on necrotic
lusty grotto
you mean faction/race change week
for 1 week dwarflands
w8
ive been away
dorfs can still stoneskin it off right?
mental pasture
iirc you can just Kyrian potion the stacks away as well.
lofty widget
not as necro
lusty grotto
yeah you could
median tulip
whats the best loa for zandalari prot
It really doesn't matter at all
mental pasture
i just dont wanna play it kek
this
oblique garnet
Stack crit and parry :^)
lusty grotto
oh no the parry gang is back
i guess youll say go ravager next
oh wait
wrong expansion
ngl i really liked the parry memes
median tulip
I do the absolute minimum on Necrotic weeks. Get my vault of only 15s, then shut up shop. I figure the less the tanks engage with it, the more pressure the DPS will put on blizz to kill the affix
oblique garnet
i guess youll say go ravager next
Nah we UF gamers out here
south zealot
UF is fun
lofty widget
oblique garnet
I need to do more testing
On fortified week where trash actually lives a bit longer
I mean either way with ravager or with UF you can have 100% banner uptime
oblique garnet
you get couple of extra globals on your avatar windows
so you have to adjust
Where as without it you have like revenge ss and ip that you spam during avatar since tc cd is long
mighty valley
i don't remember the last time necrotic worried me
even DKs don't care since it got super nerfed and they have a gajillion parry
mighty valley
Nah we UF gamers out here
in UF testing is it strong enough to actually use outburst on TC during avatar?
oblique garnet
i mean using tc on outbursts depends entirely on how many targets you have
Iirc its like 3 targets with UF and 4 without
Purely for dps
But it doesnt matter because you just send it on cd anyways except st
mighty valley
i guess we're not really pressed for max rage gen now
vestal moat
We dont do the wait a GCD or two thing to see if ss resets before sending anymore?
mighty valley
i don't really ever wait empty GCDs, should have some rage to at least be revenging to get the proc
oblique garnet
We dont do the wait a GCD or two thing to see if ss resets before sending anymor...
Me personally no never
As long as banner uptime is 100% it doesnt matter
Especially in aoe
If my banner is about to drop thats like the only reason im holding tc
Or has like 3-4 secs left
sand egret
Nah we UF gamers out here
ngl i swapped out rav for UF and my play just went up. These BFA habits are just too engrained
oblique garnet
ngl i swapped out rav for UF and my play just went up. These BFA habits are just...
Need that show of force with UF too
sand egret
haha I just may....I felt that muscle memory coming back in full force
oblique garnet
Tc every other global during bl does feel satisfying
mighty valley
i'll try it for fort week, why not try something new in silly season
delicate kraken
I do the absolute minimum on Necrotic weeks. Get my vault of only 15s, then shut...
Hard already to find tanks for keys, Necrotic just sets the bar even lower
Assuming we're talking about the average tank player