neck/bracers/back
#protection
jagged pier
static zenith
neck/bracers/back
Kk thanks 🙂
bright slate
where can i find the best rotation guide for prot?
south zealot
no real rotation its just priority
use tier procs on shield slan
slam
and press buttons
always cast something
south zealot
has to be zul right
oblique garnet
bright slate
my damage/survivability seems low, especially when I'm moving up to the 12/13 level m+, thinking it's to do with my strength / versa, i only started playting prot yesterday, iwas ilvl 260, now im 275, take a look at my armrory, and any advice would be appreciated https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/vallunaa
strong forum
where can i find the best rotation guide for prot?
generally icy veins and wowhead have a small rotational breakdown, for a video guide on how to keep banner you can check the pins
as matta said, stats dont matter in terms of success in keys
dawn canyon
my damage/survivability seems low, especially when I'm moving up to the 12/13 le...
its not vers for 12s
strong forum
its not vers for 30s either
bright slate
im not getting one shot, just when i pull a large pack, even with IP and SB up, seems a little squish
oblique garnet
Yeah and completely wasted br
chrome falcon
Nah the only thing that hurts you with SB up is casters
Which you have control for
tepid nest
what is the mechagon shield like? seems ok?
bright slate
silly question, how do i post logs, never done it before haha
chrome falcon
Trash
south zealot
bad at even ilvl
chrome falcon
silly question, how do i post logs, never done it before haha
Plenty of guides on YouTube, I’m on mobile so can’t link
Think we have a copy pasta for it somewhere
bright slate
i'll take a look now
strong forum
what is the mechagon shield like? seems ok?
worst shield, but if its your highest ilvl - wear it
you care about the block value on it
chrome falcon
You wear 301 mechagon shield over 298 real shield
tepid nest
worst shield, but if its your highest ilvl - wear it
fair enough
south zealot
has anyone else tried the unstoppable force buils
oblique garnet
🙂
south zealot
ive been playing it and i feel the same as ravager build
strong forum
its worse dmg and rage
you get an extra ... 25 rage per avatar window vs the 60 from rav, its playable as shown by late
chrome falcon
I tried one key and it felt like ass but it’s a different playstyle for sure
120k TC casts in gambit felt 😎
strong forum
but it in the grand scheme of things it is worse
strong forum
i mean do what you want
south zealot
tru
in lower keys ill mess around with it
probably switch back i. higher levels
what happens if you run out of melee eange of king mechagon
does he just smack a melee dps
bright slate
yup
queen hemlock
mr late uses alot of unstoppable and show of force
think his 3rd highest dps skill in some of his keys
sage yacht
mr late
vestal moat
Technical question about RDM:
Do I have to be at 20% or below , then take a hit to get the emergency proc?
Or will it auto proc on any hit that would take me below 20%. For example from 50% to 10%.
Sort of how will of the necropolis works for BDK.
cobalt seal
I do compete with 4 other tanks
and your argu is kinda bad
just because I dont do "high keys" doesnt mean I can't say nerf is boosted at playing tanks
south zealot
you dont gain anytbing by calling him bad tho
cobalt seal
is this about gaining anything?
south zealot
theres just no reason
cobalt seal
so just because I dont gain
south zealot
its like ok and
cobalt seal
I can't say nerf and stone are boosted?
south zealot
if youre not gonna push up and do better whats the point
chrome falcon
Technical question about RDM:
Do I have to be at 20% or below , then take a hit ...
Reading the trinket explains the trinket
It procs when you go below 20%
oblique garnet
I just switch between Uf and ravager whenever i feel like it tbh
sage yacht
sorry i might have assumed gender
youre safe to call him GOAT late
oblique garnet
Playing with UF for long period of times 
cobalt seal
if youre not gonna push up and do better whats the point
what would that prove?
oblique garnet
Never know if ganked by irl debuff hits nerf and he has to go take care of baby or smth
bright slate
right folks, i have downloaded and linked my battle net to warcraft logs, how do i start logging an M+ encounter?
south zealot
if only they had the spell reflect for those flamespitters
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> where logs copypasta
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
i didnt write it 😂
queen hemlock
right folks, i have downloaded and linked my battle net to warcraft logs, how do...
idk if this matters but if your fps drops like fuck when you're logging you might wanna put your game on an ssd
south zealot
what would that prove?
doesnt really prove anything but you can make extra money if youre better than them
south zealot
frost mage mention again kekw
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel 
they remembered to go to upper
chrome falcon
Things not looking great for our man?
dawn canyon
6th place in 5th is a decent result nonetheless
oblique garnet
Ye thats likely just spectator pov bug
prisma obsidian
u can pick up the rat and ride it
dawn canyon
they acknowledged the pwar
remote tusk
go Sense 
prisma obsidian
u can with the rat 🙂
alpine shard
the big reflect tech in ID
dawn canyon
🙏
dawn canyon
yogi you havent been checking prot today, ye?
sick sentinel
not much nope
re-rolled mage/monk/xyz atm
do we have access to logs or whatever here
arguably the casters are an even better version of a log
edgy grail
Sorry for the noob questions, how do IP and Shield Block work when I use them if I already have them, does it add to the value or refresh?
sick sentinel
i'm a solid +1 chester 😦
edgy grail
Is there a max for either?
sick sentinel
3 dps for a key, im a dps, im lowest dps, but im above tank usually, unless dk or whatever
oblique garnet
18s for sb
dawn canyon
you ignore the IP cap
sick sentinel
then again, dk can pull enoughi can AE spam
edgy grail
Tyvm peeps
cunning viper
whats the avoidance thing that casters are talking about
oblique garnet
For grimrail live keys
cunning viper
but avoidance from where or what
oblique garnet
From gear
south zealot
wtf i was 3 mins behind again
south zealot
just the id stuff
edgy grail
Didn’t they say they are going to add tertiary stats to TR?
sick sentinel
hey thats sens
edgy grail
Seems weird ngl
dawn canyon
Didn’t they say they are going to add tertiary stats to TR?
none up
only the cloak enchant
edgy grail
At the end of the season for TGP it doesn’t make sense
sick sentinel
don't pull a yogi sense
edgy grail
People have better gear on live than on TR
cunning viper
gotta be really luck to be full avoidance geared
dawn canyon
People have better gear on live than on TR
not currently, but i get the point
oblique garnet
Does TR gear have sockets?
edgy grail
My friend was playing with shakib and driney yesterday both have 500 runs this season
Terisry stats on all gear
oblique garnet
Yeah some people have better gear on live than TR
sick sentinel
yell at priest stop stand in stuff
dawn canyon
Yeah *some* people have better gear on live than TR
although its very very hard to be full 311 at this point
south zealot
isnt gingi like 308
edgy grail
Like last season it was like that
dawn canyon
gingi is fucking cracked gear wise
bright slate
ok guys, here's my first log, it was a tazavesh 11, as i mentioned earlier, i seem to think my dmg is low and im a bit squishy, is there anything i should change? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BbMpVL8fXN3Rmdhn/#fight=last
oblique garnet
People who have full cleared all mythic raids technically have a chance of being fully decked out
south zealot
ok guys, here's my first log, it was a tazavesh 11, as i mentioned earlier, i se...
first thing i notice is very low shield slam damage
oblique garnet
Its just rng on socket/tertiary procs
south zealot
you might just have very low rage
lofty widget
ok guys, here's my first log, it was a tazavesh 11, as i mentioned earlier, i se...
you didnt press shield block a single time, thats our main mitigation
oblique garnet
you didnt press shield block a single time, thats our main mitigation
Oof
sick sentinel
j ust so im aware is there one of those dreadlord conals that does like a disorient or not the stun purple circle, i know about them
those are damned annoying
bright slate
you didnt press shield block a single time, thats our main mitigation
oh shit, only just relaised i dont have it on my action bars /facepalm
sick sentinel
are there varying versions of the conal attack, one that may include a disorient effect from dreadlords (+10 and up)
sick sentinel
im aware about the purple circle that stuns
lofty widget
yeah so focus on having SB up as much as possible when mobs are hitting you, also bind/macro intervene to charge and press it, it gives you shield block and rage. and last point youre missing quite a few shield slam casts, its your most important button to push on cd
besides shield block
bright slate
yeah so focus on having SB up as much as possible when mobs are hitting you, als...
Thanks for spotting that, thinks are probably going to go a lot better for me now
south zealot
i wonder what lower kara nerfs we see this reset
bright slate
things*
oblique garnet
i wonder what lower kara nerfs we see this reset
Dont think anything but opera hall is gonna get nerfed
If even that
oblique garnet
It is a boss
south zealot
wikket on tyran is pretty unreasonable
even if you remove the explosives
oh ye i forgot about that
south zealot
bye bye
dawn canyon
gn
south zealot
28 id by sense gigachad
sick sentinel
is it ogre?
lusty grotto
yo late
since sense is offline, do you know if the tgp runs are being logged?
one of my buddies is asking me about something regarding healing
ah zzzz
went to bedge i guess
undone verge
Have they learned anymore Warrior abilities today?
well they still think the 400 mastery buff is party wide for the full duration of banner so I think we'll give them another day
chrome falcon
it's pretty funny that they don't even realise that like
if you could give your party 400 mastery permanently
south zealot
thats just turbo op
dawn canyon
SR IS THE ONLY BUTTON AAHHHHHH
lament shell
They hav no clue
sick sentinel
lets go reflecty boy sense
lament shell
It like saying mage is good. They can spell steal powerful buffs
south zealot
wow 30 medihv and curator dead
toxic pewter
wait druids actually use gavel even without it having agility?
south zealot
apparently yeah thats what ive heard
toxic pewter
other druid tank in my raid has one
sand drum
hey friends 😄 weird Q and I know I should not play this hight avoidance but is there a "cap" on it % wise ?
lament shell
No avoidance
lofty widget
20 %
sand drum
play 13% atm and farming for leech as we speak
lofty widget
is the cap
sand drum
some source to read about it or just general knowledge ?
sand drum
ye I know ^
south zealot
wtf are rhe xasters talking about
dawn canyon
jpc said a monkey has no beak and thus is a high performance animal
urban portal
wtf is the question mark
sand drum
looks like a red dungeon ?
chrome falcon
it'll be JY probably
chrome falcon
no shot it's gambit
chrome falcon
they did that with upper as well
urban portal
"jokes on yall yall are playing halls"
south zealot
jy prayge
dawn canyon
wtf is the question mark
JY 100%
chrome falcon
Does the 100% slow reduction work on allies
no
lofty widget
it does 
lament shell
Does it
lofty widget
it's not 100 tho, just like a bit less
lament shell
I cant understand the last sentance
sand drum
any translators?
🐦
south zealot
highmountain pog
chrome falcon
it's not 100 tho, just like a bit less
allies get the MS but the slow immune is just you
vocal bison
Rally does smell good tho
alpine shard
allies get the MS but the slow immune is just you
so the stories i've heard of demon hunters moving while using eye beam were lies?
sand drum
so the stories i've heard of demon hunters moving while using eye beam were lies...
nope ive had a DH that I play with tell me to not banner on certain places cus he beams or not seeing extra mms and falls off edge on mechangon XD
prisma steppe
yo there any great items from tw legion worth farming ?
sand drum
yo there any great items from tw legion worth farming ?
some stat items here and there but nothing special :/
urban bane
way to go sense :]
undone verge
we are proud of u
undone verge
Prot warrior on top
sand drum
cinder nova
What am I reading.
sand drum
15 btw :C
2 full wipes on pat + pack inside Streets (first boss)
6-7 mobs and 0 explosives :C
prisma crane
idk how people do this much m+ normally, this shit drains me
you did great though!
cinder nova
was sense doing keys?
prisma crane
in the great push, yea
cinder nova
inb4 he fatigues midway through the comp
shut summit
inb4 he fatigues midway through the comp
👴
cinder nova
2 full wipes on pat + pack inside Streets (first boss)
Were you overpulling? I just +2'd a +20 Streets with 0 deaths. It's pretty ezclap
Or were your DPS clownshoes
south zealot
is that for this week?
yes
mellow bridge
took us two attempts on 25, then another 2 on 24
to finally manage to kill first boss on 23
south zealot
my friend just timed a lower 21
mellow bridge
south zealot
had to exploit the boss tho lmao
south zealot
to finally manage to kill first boss on 23
na or eu
mellow bridge
the boss on EU is COMPLETELY fucked
like not just is it overtuned, explosive makes it completely ridiculous
since the adds dont actually die, they perma spawn more explosives
and a good 1/4 of them spawn half inside a wall and cant be hit properly so they just go off
while youre almost getting oneshot on a 24 already
south zealot
yeah both regions are omega fucked
mellow bridge
which boss is it on NA
south zealot
wikket
mellow bridge
that's the one with the forks at the end?
south zealot
no the other one
mellow bridge
ah the two casters
south zealot
the two bosses with the monkey adds
mellow bridge
yeah that one is dumb as well
but yea idk
we didnt have many issues timing a 26 ID
but 23 lower kara we were like 5% more dmg away from just wiping and not being able to do it
good stuff
normal zinc
Or was it <@134176953291767808>
harsh musk
This is going to sound odd but is it possible to fully gear a tank heroic level without touching m+? I always used to love tanking but this whole kiting in m+ is just not appealing to me
alpine shard
you dont have to kite in m+
mellow bridge
I haven't kited a single time so far this season 
cinder nova
This is going to sound odd but is it possible to fully gear a tank heroic level ...
If you're kiting, you must be doing something wrong or are totally undergeared.
harsh musk
Last time I done any had to constantly kite out of pools or run away because of enrages
restive sage
Thats just movement lol
cinder nova
Sang isn't kiting. You just take a couple steps.
Moving around mechanics is all of M+
mellow bridge
but well to answer your question
i guess if you very slowly gear up through ZM + lfr and then move onto normal and hc raid, it would be possible lol
just seems very pointless
harsh musk
Thank you just fancied being sword and board again and ports the only thing taking my fancy
mellow bridge
i think you should just try to do a few dungeons
start low and work your way up
i think you'll see that kiting isnt really much of a thing at all
restive sage
Actual kiting hasnt really been a thing since season 1 when tanks were getting blasted by autos
real fossil
first completed key where i was top dps
chrome falcon
just lost a 24 upper
because the boss
cast burning blast
on the warlock
at 15% hp left
and i didn't notice it was targeting him
thorn spruce
Why would the tier pieces change which slot you want to put the unity on?
chrome falcon
Hm
good question
That might just be a holdover from 9.2
When it was waist then when you have all tier pieces helmet
That pin might need to be changed
queen stag
Day 79, Log Entry #6:
I've been stuck in Grimrail Depot for days. My supplies are almost finished. If another warlock dies to the second boss, I'm going to gut somebody. The elusive shield has yet to drop... send help...
short pollen
Is it worth it to run the seal and another vers ring vs having the mechagon set with haste?
Is there a certain stat split we want to aim for?
real fossil
I’ve only seen 2 jy rings in total from anyone in group after 25+ runs and they’ve both been the bad procs
Feelsbadman
safe thistle
Actual kiting hasnt really been a thing since season 1 when tanks were getting b...
It's funny how we went from kiting (paper tank) to unkilleable.
short pollen
the kara ring is terrible
That’s what I thought thanks 🙏
solar tusk
Are can somebody tell, how works diminishing of mastery at protwar?
restive sage
It's funny how we went from kiting (paper tank) to unkilleable.
For real lol its night and day
safe thistle
Tanks were not well balanced entering into shadow land. We ended up getting a threat and DR/stamina buff
robust quiver
the kara ring is terrible
I guess it depends on the keylevel, seems pretty solid to me defensively
Same reasoning that goes for codex
robust quiver
on the haste topic, there's a point where versa > haste (considering the huge amount the affix gives)?
like after 35%/40% self buffed? Or is it always haste?
dawn canyon
always haste
chrome falcon
I guess it depends on the keylevel, seems pretty solid to me defensively
how much damage do you take
in the first 4 seconds of a pull
when you have SB running
and SR is up for casters
here's a tip: almost literally zero
your hp doesn't go below 90% in those first 4 seconds until you fuck up
robust quiver
10% DR is 10% DR, there are keylevel where it matters and keylevel where it doesn't
chrome falcon
nope
10% DR
is nothing
in the first few seconds of a pull
the stats on it are terrible
if it was on a ring that had haste
then sure
go for it
but those are our worst 2 stats
and the proc does nothing
dawn canyon
well on the pull ur the most in danger but even then
dawn canyon
well on the pull ur the most in danger but even then
(as dk)
chrome falcon
you either use CDs or you don't
robust quiver
what i'm saying is that even for BDK there's a point where more haste doesn't translate to more DRW uptime because you have already 100% uptime
idk, it might be bad on pwarrior
chrome falcon
more haste is still more damage in that situation
it's bad on everyone
this isn't a discussion, the ring sucks
you would only wear it if you wanted those specific stats
and no-one wants those stats
and yeah
this isn't even accounting
for how insane the mechagon rings are
robust quiver
with the same reasoning why would you go for mecha rings?
having the set is actually trading crit for haste
robust quiver
woudln't it be better just having 2 big haste rings?
chrome falcon
no?
more stats is more important than better stats
the 2 ring combo gives you free stats
dawn canyon
more haste is more runes is more dam for bdk
chrome falcon
you would still wear mecha rings
if the proc was vers
it just happens to proc our best stat
robust quiver
idk, i might be wrong, it's just that sometimes it seems the discussions go for absolutes
chrome falcon
but you don't use it because it's haste proc
you use it because it's a bunch of free stats
robust quiver
i just think it's not black or white
chrome falcon
yes because the darkshire ring is absolutely bad
robust quiver
and has grey zones xd
chrome falcon
not everything is a debate
sometimes
something that looks garbage
is just garbage
robust quiver
tgp isn't live tho
Look, i don't want to get into an argument, you seem pretty set on your opinion
it's ok
chrome falcon
everyone is saying the ring is bad
no-one is using the ring
if you still think the ring is good
then you're the one who is set in their opinion
because you're the one denying evidence
dawn canyon
dorki just dumb
chrome falcon
it's just not good, the stats suck, the proc is literally worthless
dawn canyon
chrome falcon
^
and ppala can be just trash
for the first 4 seconds
so it makes a bit of sense
while you try to get sotr up
but we are already giga unkillable on pull
dawn canyon
@sick sentineldrogoh playing spellward in upper
also for nathrezim
he said hes getting dot off with it
mellow bridge
Does spell warding work on flame wreath tho
It ignores most immunities
Guess you can spell ward the fire cast on someone with flame wreath
Yeah
Goes through iceblock for example
north anchor
spell warden bird phase
mellow bridge
Tbh I think what killed us most of the time was inferno bolts on flame wreath targets
So spell warding actually has some value I guess
True true
It's a bit weird
I guess it's for devourer then mostly
With some other niche uses that you wouldn't pick it for by themselves
mellow bridge
Mhm
Maybe spellwarding is an exception and it works on flame wreath but that would be hella weird lol
uneven wagon
guys do good logs in normal raids just mean ur well geared
chrome falcon
yes
heady gyro
what stat do you guys take from the vendor?
chrome falcon
pins
mellow bridge
If you wanna compare your performance you should probably look at stuff like banner uptime and cpm mostly
Parses are often kinda meaningless unless they're very bad
uneven wagon
thats the entire point of the game
mellow bridge
But yea
uneven wagon
uneven wagon
where do you see sample size
mellow bridge
Yeah
dawn canyon
@sick sentinelthey about go to meddie, so we can see if ward works
uneven wagon
i dont understand anything about logs
uneven wagon
i swear explosives are so trivial as prot
easiest mouseover heroic throw of my life
never trust anyone but yourself to do anything
me neither
but i trust other people less
uneven wagon
look how fucking pathetic my gloves are
fuck
i dont mind it that much
is there anything in sepulcher id want as a trinket instead
i know
I got old warriors soul so im chilling 
shut summit
yea mana wyrm on dk is insane
shut summit
ty ty
dawn canyon
next time casters surely know more abt pwar 
shut summit
yea more power to the people that can do it often
execute on last boss was yuge
wish was loggin
uhhh not saying no but we'll see
hardy snow
whats best to buy for first dinar for raiding and what for dungs? is it ows for both or is there any difference?
uneven wagon
look how fucking pathetic my gloves are
is this better
than viscera
bad?
i thought it was just kinda eh
i also have htis 
dawn canyon
basically non sod trinket = deadge
uneven wagon
nah its to put on healers that u dont like
dawn canyon
@sick sentineldo you sac out of the maiden incap
pvp frogs remember
smort
with meta comp BDK just eats it, priest deaths it rest kinda iffy
with prenerf mage tierset u wouldnt get cc'd but alas
igniter is funny cuz its a good 2nd on use for mage after like WOD grenade
disc/sp iirc
cinder storm
Disc only
dawn canyon
holy would only have sw:d
will have that every set tho
@sick sentinel disc good woof woof
the important detail
60% is less than 100% from boss
dude
moros bleed
breaks u out
with the deswind tech
isnt there campfire + something
that they used to varuth snap in s2
gnomish army knife also pulled
iirc
but was JANKY as fuck
codex pulling is mists strat from s2 iirc
didnt u see
max hopped in
uneven wagon
look how fucking pathetic my gloves are
got gloves
dawn canyon
@ streamer DITCH DITCH DITCH DITCH
sick sentinel
how to play pwar
chrome falcon
my best lower
is a 17
20 mins over time
my only time going into that instance in the last 4 years
sly heron
Wikket is fair and balanced fight. Well thought out on explosive week too.
chrome falcon
a 1 hour long lower 17
is actually a higer world ranking
than my +3 junkyard 22
🙂
chrome falcon
i'm EU
dawn canyon
Oh right
chrome falcon
so it's westfall
dawn canyon
Eu = gamer
dawn canyon
Na are getting our last week
sly heron
Ya I think doable then
uneven wagon
probably best to buy a trinket with the dinars right
dawn canyon
Now imagine tyran
chrome falcon
buy OWS
dawn canyon
AHAHAHA
sly heron
Wikket tyrannical big fun
uneven wagon
was gonna get aegis ill have both BIS trinkets
sly heron
Plus adds spawn explosives
chrome falcon
aegis only necessary in big gamer keys
uneven wagon
so thats better than shield except for high keys?
mighty valley
there's just a few shields and only one RDM
uneven wagon
ive got a 291 shield and its gna be forever before I can upgrade it to mythic so imma get trinkie :3
dawn canyon
298 soon
chrome falcon
OK LMAO
WESTFALL STORY
IS ALSO
RIDICULOUS
how is explosive not nerfed
on this boss????
i mean blizz are just insane
for not nerfing it
very clear evidence that none of them are playing this season
sick sentinel
<@456226577798135808> disc good woof woof
to add to this our disc purposefully hit us with quaking to let shadow med tech work, then on 23 tyran he killed our wl and we had to 2dps maiden 
low kindle
that lower first boss seems a bit over tuned or
storm summit
Maiden aint that overtuned based on personal experience, just requires ppl to think about how they use cds
oh wait u meant Opera
chrome falcon
wikket is overtuned as all fuck
and westfall is completely unplayable with explosives
lower is easily the worst dungeon this season
and this season has 2 dungeons that came out 2 years before m+
undone verge
wicket is worse than westfall and no one can convince me otherwise
yeah the adds in westfall spawn explosive, but so do the adds on wicket
chrome falcon
no wikket is 1000% worse than westfall
for sure
but i think westfall explosive tyr
is harder
8 mobs in westfall
that you can't kill
at least you can kill some mobs on wikket
but they're both absolutely ridiculous
undone verge
yeah but more spawn
chrome falcon
thing is i think westfall is like a totally fine boss
undone verge
and they have way too much health so theres almost always multple adds up
chrome falcon
outside of exp
whereas wikket is just
absolutely insane
we had fort wikket last week
and that shit was already just ridiculous
without tyr or exp
undone verge
wicket explosive is absolutely insane. It might not be as bad as westfall in terms of amount of explosives, but tyran wicket is unbelievably bad
wicket tyran there is almost always 2 monkey adds up
spawning exploisves
no to mention how bad the boss is by itself not to mention it also being tyran
you guys dealt with wicket fort
chrome falcon
correction
we did not deal with wicket fort
that shit was already overtuned as fuck
without even being tyr
sick sentinel
gobbamak can be troublesome rn too with explosives
he spawn afuvk load of adds which in turn spawn a bunch of explosives if nobody does towers
wiped to that boss 3 times across 2 baby keys
bold nimbus
sand pebble
first boss in grimrail we had an explosive spawn ontop of the boxes and we couldnt target it
sick sentinel
my main wish is that they fix targeting soit cant send ravager or flame strike ontop of a fountain, tree or railing chandlier of roof
imho pewdiepie this is illegal meme here
oh im about to cast my procced flamestrike for crazydamage..... and its over the hut they are sitting under..
ebon wren
It really feels like blizzard just does not care about s4. Full focus on dragon lands
sick sentinel
that thing i said drives me crazy nuts
sand pebble
still strash
sick sentinel
hate when that happens so much
sand pebble
play a hunter and see the places you can plant spirits/arrow
also the biggest thing that pisses me off is no path avail for charge/leap in kara
sick sentinel
alls im saying is get rid of the blantantly bulkshit ones that are intended for instanced zones,
storm summit
It really feels like blizzard just does not care about s4. Full focus on dragon ...
is like 5 devs maintaining S4
south zealot
honestly wikket isnt as bad as i thought
IF
youre a deathknight
its obviously super overtuned but watching someone play it as dk shows how fucking op grips are
sick sentinel
letme gues amsamz go brrr
toxic pewter
yeah i wont lie with the explosives and the adds its hard sometimes to like get all them in a good position to dps down
damn bdk so op with their grips 😛
sick sentinel
dk nl ability is stupidly broken
chrome falcon
its obviously super overtuned but watching someone play it as dk shows how fucki...
Mobs that afk cast uninterruptible casts and can’t be moved are just insanely bad design
storm summit
can move boss(es) around tho
chrome falcon
Grip isn’t op so much as it fixes massive problems that shouldn’t exist
Sure you can move the boss to one mob
lusty grotto
is there any unlock for the keystone trader?
chrome falcon
DKs can move the boss to one mob then also grip a second mob to it
sick sentinel
bring back disarm effects
lusty grotto
idk whats going on
sick sentinel
after a key?
chrome falcon
Do you have a key?
chrome falcon
What level is your key
sick sentinel
it has to be l9wrt than what u ran
chrome falcon
What level did you just do
lusty grotto
does it have to be 15+?
chrome falcon
Gotta do a key higher or same as yours
storm summit
cant change key if u did a lower or left the dungeon
chrome falcon
Otherwise you could just spam 2s to reroll your 28
lusty grotto
i didnt do a lower
sick sentinel
u need run 18 to change and reroll key
lusty grotto
we just did my key which was a 14
chrome falcon
No
storm summit
i didnt do a lower
as in a lower keystone than what you have
sick sentinel
oh righ
south zealot
Mobs that afk cast uninterruptible casts and can’t be moved are just insanely ba...
100% agree
storm summit
i think u have to time is this correct?
ye
mystic rose
do you reflect lava barrage from flame spitter by standing on the fire?
dreamy wedge
Honestly there are so many boss fights that explosives are absolutely stupid on that the affix just needs to not exist during boss fights
Since Blizz clearly cba to fix a lot of them
sick sentinel
has to be a cap how many can spawn in same time
storm summit
I do believe there is a cap of 5 up at once
dreamy wedge
It's sometimes "there are way too many of the damn things" but also there are too many times where "I literally cannot reach the orb to kill it"
Last boss of Siege of Boralus tilted the shit out of me all of BFA for that reason; would spawn orbs in the water you can't reach
south zealot
everything in siege of boralus tilted the shit out of me
mighty valley
ok, now that I have an OWS, i might finally be in the realm of too much haste
oblique garnet
ok, now that I have an OWS, i might finally be in the realm of too much haste
Wrong
lament shell
just had the best weekly of my life
toxic pewter
Do we still generate rate from being hit? Does anyone have a full list on rage
mighty valley
we do but it's small and normalized
still everything counts
just not like the vanilla days of getting half a rage bar from one big auto
toxic pewter
I guess this sounds weird but do night elves generate less rage
mighty valley
???
toxic pewter
Cuz they have 1% dodge racial
I mean it’s so negligible right
They get hit 1% less than other prot warr races
Then again does block override dodging now that I think of it
mighty valley
it's 3 rage on being hit, but can't happen more than once a second
so zero effect when tanking multiples
toxic pewter
Ok
mighty valley
and negligible effect when tanking one slow swinging guy
mighty valley
i presume so, it did in the old days
toxic pewter
Yeah it used to be like that
lament shell
wait wtf so the banner buff doesnt extand for your allies only for you
mighty valley
it would be unbelievably broken if it extended for everyone
lament shell
ye im back to bdk
mighty valley
as it is it's merely an enormous str buff, can't be slowed, rage generator, +400 mastery buff with 100% uptime
toxic pewter
Lol
lament shell
dude i didnt know that
south zealot
Cuz they have 1% dodge racial
u would get free revenge tho
which i think counts towards banner
not 100% sure tho
mighty valley
free revenge interaction with tier bonuses seems really weird
like it generally doesn't seem to add to stacks
but it can tick 7 -> 8 sometimes
lusty grotto
free revenge def extends it
actually just for the sake of it, let me check
actually, no he's right
assuming charge revenge proc is the same as dodge
and parry proc too i suppose
heady gyro
can you spell reflect the opera first boss jump up like dos? or no
lament shell
check the reflect spreadsheet
hearty saffron
mortal brook
a glorious thing
urban portal
u would get free revenge tho
You wouldn’t
3ppm
You can have a 100% dbts on prot and you’ll only get 3 revenge procs a minute
naive mauve
Which of the two Trinkets should I take until I can buy the Aegis? 😄
naive mauve
Soleah + Aegis is the way to go?
pallid quiver
gambit?
strong forum
Gambit yeah mb
pallid quiver
OWS is better than Soleah's, but can't be farmed atm
strong forum
^
zealous willow
Rdm is doing my 6% dmg and healing dont ignore this op trinket
pallid quiver
im gonna ignore it until i can get it to drop
and by that i mean until i can buy it
blessed dinars
10/10 best system
frosty raven
Guys, ive returned to prot warr, can u tell me what is now the best stat weight? 30% haste 30% vers or smth else ?
zealous willow
Haste is never bad, u go full haste. Till u get 20% crit ur dmg will be less. Versa is always good to have. Mastery is least u need.
frosty raven
so ideally 20% crit and rest Haste/vers? 😄 sounds good
jagged pier
okay the crit thing makes no sense
at all
i have 10% crit and my damage is perfectly fine
its 40% haste unbuffed
without dropping strength
then anything else it doesnt matter
zealous willow
I had 11% crit and my overall dmg increased by a lot when e went to 20%. I dont say its a must, but for me its working rly good.
jagged pier
the way u wrote your statement implies yu need 20% crit
which is completely wrong
maybe u just got better
and if your stats changed u probably got better gear
so your damage will just increase naturly
zealous willow
Yep, i should put that its for me, wrongly said by me. U might be right in the im getting better with rotation and all , this maybe played big part. It was just when i got big crit neck. I might try to go haste versa neck when i get one from gambit and test it for my self
undone verge
37% haste gang
Prot feels like it has a small Margin of error in keys. Small mistake can cascade ur dmg for the entire key. Doing a 19/18 gambit where I was playing smart and not making mistakes vs where I was playing more casually was around 4k dps
Both times I played generally correct, but those little things I did while more focused are important
Managing SR for dreadlords and brackish bolts, shield walling often, but at smart times where I wouldn’t need it for the next minute, smart CC to fill in downtime.
zealous willow
In big keys spell reflect is big diff in dmg
execute is insane dmg diff if u rly slack with it
if u manage to put ur cd's on 20% with rage regen spells
and execute on 40 rage +
on all bosses
ur dmg will be big
undone verge
Executing on 40 rage isn’t too big a deal, it’s optimal if you manage it correctly since you’re maximizing that GCD, but it’s still x amount of rage=x amount of dmg so you’re not technically wasting rage since the dmg scales with how much rage u spend.
zealous willow
The point is to put high dmg execute till boss dies , cus when u play with good dps the last 20% of boss hp is not a lot of time
Ur playing againts time
but on trash executes are rly important too, thats how i got bigger dps overall max-min my executes
dense shell
Hey folks, one question.
Where can i see the amount of damage blocked by SB on details ?
under Prevented it's track only the IP and other stuff but not the SB
dense shell
so sad
tepid nest
the minimum range on heroic throw is so frustrating on explosive week
undone verge
Fr
undone verge
but on trash executes are rly important too, thats how i got bigger dps overall ...
Trash executes are big for stealing killing blows so you can victory rush
wide pilot
anyone know if this sepulcher's shield is worth using?
sweet summit
if it's your highest ilvl shield yes
unborn karma
hey, weird question but i tank in a CE guild and i just don't enjoy tanking raids anymore. Its becoming a slog to log in for raid time. Want to discuss with RL/team to get a dps spot (i was a main dps) but has anyone done this and regretted giving up a tank spot for a guild at this level? They are kind of hard to come by, in a dilemma ha
jagged pier
Meh u dont enjoy u dont enjoy it, just have to be used to the possibility u might get benched as dps
unborn karma
yh im not really worried about being benched, wont happen often and honestly this tier i find less and less reasons to actually want to raid anyway. I missed all of last tier as i just hate the time commitment of 'specific time, you play'
maybe i just hate raiding now lol
dawn canyon
Specific time, you play is the same for DPS
dawn canyon
Ive seen many many people have the take that M+ tanking is infintely more fun than raiding
This season aside usually you can get away with m+ only gear for most levels of content
unborn karma
tanking under 24/25s is boring, stuff just doesn't do anything.
dawn canyon
Also m+ is just easier to grab 4 people you know and like and can have fun with
unborn karma
yeah thats what i find
i can play 12 hours straight in m+ with mates
come to raid its 'im bored already
even if its the same people i do keys with lol
dawn canyon
What you can try is tell your RL that you're stopping raiding in S4 and potentially returning to tanking in DF (more of a ugh i need loot thing than main content) and then focus more on m+
unborn karma
yeah, need to think how to word it because i am torn on do i hate tanking raids or do i hate raiding raids in general. Getting CE/close to on every tier probably doesnt help 'reclearing' the same stuff again, but i fell out of love with raiding on mythic sylvanus
shit fight
and as egotistical as it is, i want to parse and shit on some egos on the dps side lol
hardy flare
do i still stack haste on gear ?
harsh musk
Where is prot standing this tier in regards to being a decent tank
mortal brook
hopium tier
oblique garnet
hey, weird question but i tank in a CE guild and i just don't enjoy tanking raid...
Yes but mostly because i enjoy playing alts and maintaining them as non tank is awful if you dont always have premade
cinder otter
is fusion hacker good for single target only?
mortal brook
its a 1 target at a time proc but prob sims competitively up to a few targets
oblique garnet
@sick sentinel where is my tgp update that you promised
safe thistle
Mechagon shield ai t bad now
oblique garnet
were they close to qualifying?
F
yeah
29 lower sheesh
Probably rounding today up with all 30s
I dont think thats gonna happen
Just based on how nerf almost died on the 29
by just getting hit in the back
its rough yeah
need to find alot of big dam from somewhere
Did they md the entire gauntlet to stars?
So cant really save time from that either
did they pull and packs on top of the 2nd boss?
i think they kinda have to
if they want to time the 30
probably
26+3 29+2+31+2 33+2
Really hope there is not gonna be a single JY in tgp
Grimrail is so good for warriors
and warrior is so good for high keys in there for first boss
You can just save your holy priest everytime theres a slam
Or w/e paper class you have
mortal brook
Grimrail is so good for warriors
counterargument
okay not this week. bolstering adds at least 20s to each pull
everyone dies. i gotta run for 20s cuz the hulk has 2 sets of 20 stacks of angy
honestly still enjoyable
for me. not for everyone else
mortal brook
has twice as much health as everything else
oblique garnet
well yeah
mortal brook
Hulk does something ?<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
can soothe tho
oblique garnet
Yeah i dont think ive had a single group where we have a soothe
oblique garnet
Its fotm hunters and rogues do you think they know what non dps globals do?
mortal brook
id like to think so
oblique garnet
me chuck bombs me smorc
mortal brook
Throw Bomb :smorc:
lament shell
and warrior is so good for high keys in there for first boss
Safeguard?
tender berry
hi
do i take Sepulcher's Savior for the bonus block
or Arrowbreaker Greatshield for the secdareys
same ilvl
nice thx
good day to you ^^
chrome falcon
Safeguard?
Safeguard rally high burst
harsh musk
Is devastator a must pick the spec feels awful using it atm
oblique garnet
Safeguard?
ya
and boss hits like nothing to you
you can get free charges whenever small boy is on the ground
chrome falcon
Is devastator a must pick the spec feels awful using it atm
what the-
you are still levelling or something?
drifting fable
maybe they really really like filler spells
chrome falcon
there's nothing i like more than pressing a button that does about as much damage as an auto attack and procs nothing 70% of the time
jagged pier
even if we ran punish or something
we still wouldnt have the time to press devastate
chrome falcon
yep
but devastator just even more insane than ever with all this haste
i assume they're levelling or very early in the gearing process
queen hemlock
is there stream for 15+ lower kara with wikket for boss?
safe thistle
That's why I like dragonflight cause I like punish and I can get it finally
cobalt seal
you are still levelling or something?
and early lvl's
before SS resets passive/talents
I think I switched to devastator at like 30 or so
chrome falcon
yeah levelling you defo don't want to take deva until later
cobalt seal
maybe even before that
terse atlas
Hey everyone. I want to play Protection for rest of the season but I've never played it before and I've only played tanks with high self-sustain like BDK and VDH. Is it hard to learn Protection, I feel like I'm going to die in the smallest mistake?
dawn canyon
you have to do the core rotation and gameplay loop properly for pwar to work well
chrome falcon
don't make mistakes
lament shell
Close to outlaw rogue gameplay
dawn canyon
arguably its less mistake = dead for most content
chrome falcon
nah really unless you're doing high keys
dawn canyon
missed DS = 💀 doesnt happen to us
chrome falcon
you're not going to instantly die for one mistake
terse atlas
Yeah I realized I wasn't playing properly on other tanks, I realized how bad I am after I started playing pwar
lament shell
You die on next pull cuz you commited all cds kekw