Also was sanguine last week so not ideal to stun
#protection
oblique garnet
sand egret
oblique garnet
Theres a shockwave conduit? 😮
ionic fern
I think it's piercing howl for them.
oblique garnet
oh yeah its piercing howl cd right
quartz prism
Is enforcer stun grenade any good for prot after the buff?
strong forum
as good as it sims
doesnt have niche uses or fancy shit
just treat it as a dps trinket
undone verge
first sigil dmg padding is better
lusty tiger
I gave a LFR Sigil away yesterday
undone verge
in reality tho what are our best raid trinkets? RDM+OWS?
undone verge
I gave a LFR Sigil away yesterday
yeah I got an lfr one the other day
replaced the normal one I had from 9.2 cause I never could get any better ones
vestal moat
Can we not take the portal on opera with spell reflect like on dealer
undone verge
no doesnt work
I tried
I popped all defensives to live, barely did. Group still wiped and split tho
lusty tiger
I still cannot fathom timing a pug lower Kara
undone verge
was a 16 too with a Surv hunter and AssAss Rogue, didnt even make it past 50%
didnt help we didnt have hero but still
wicket is overtuned asf
undone verge
we wiped first pull
oblique garnet
wicket is overtuned asf
Atleast you dont have westfall with explosives...
undone verge
hero was on cd
undone verge
Atleast you dont have westfall with explosives...
lmao that sounds awful
urban portal
Oh
undone verge
cause dont the adds stick around after you get them to 1 health?
lusty tiger
Small indie company
undone verge
I suppose you guys have tyran westfal with explos
yeah idk its a tough one
we do have the monkeys with explosive
lusty tiger
Bordering completely not fun
oblique garnet
I still have nightmares from BFA when underrots last boss had explosives
from the spores
That was something else
lusty tiger
That dungeon was v fun as a rogue
lusty tiger
But tclap padding
oblique garnet
Workshop was also cursed for warriors
distant crystal
i still have a screenshot somewhere of me pulling the last boss during jes howler encounter
because i thrashed through the ceiling and i guess he was patting directly over my head or something
lusty tiger
Tab targeting as a mm hunter
oblique garnet
minor helm
lusty tiger
Yeah
Bfa bolster and bursting were no joke
And quaking
They were all very overtuned
More like not fully fleshed out actually
uneven mason
Well to make it worsr is they ran so counter to our strengths
urban portal
is naowh done with prot warrior
uneven mason
Like BFA prot could whip out the ae DPS, was horrible when we had to slow down
oblique garnet
is naowh done with prot warrior
I think hes just done tanking
Hes trialing in echo as dps
tanks maybe mdi/tgp
strong forum
naowh is for now only tanking mdi/tgp or r1 pushing
urban portal
which other famous tank was gonna try prot war
strong forum
hes trialing as DPS, but obv might return to raid tanking in DF
andy tried prot war, but its too much effort to put into relearning rn
urban portal
so everyone is done?
strong forum
nerf quit prot war cuz he got bullied by ellesmere cuz hes so hard to heal
minor helm
strong forum
plka quit prot for now and is pushing as dps
lusty tiger
Ooof
urban portal
so no one is actually playing prot war
strong forum
none of the top players
lusty tiger
That means we dodge nerfs
urban portal
ye
strong forum
blizzard has acknowledged that prot war is in a good state currently
with their latest blue post
minor helm
having like 3 leggos
Then there’ll also be leggos and tier sets on top of that
strong forum
we wont get legendaries in DF
none like current legendaries atleast
tiersets yes, "mandatory legendaries" no
lusty tiger
I can only imagine what the tier for us would do
strong forum
youll at best get the quest style reward legendaries like shadowmourne, rogue daggers, or MoP cloak wod ring
lusty tiger
2x bleed tick speed
lusty tiger
youll at best get the quest style reward legendaries like shadowmourne, rogue da...
This is the way it should be imo. One quest line for your 1 lego that is given for free
+++
minor helm
lusty tiger
borrowed from your mom
strong forum
the idea of borrowed power is like azerite traits and artifact weapon, losing it when the expansion ends
minor helm
If you think about it your whole character is borrowed power cause blizzard could just take it away forever when they want
strong forum
whereas now with the talent tree, theyre looking to then rather implement what was gained in DF through tiersets
oblique garnet
Riot mmo when 🙏
strong forum
thats the idea
minor helm
Riot mmo when 🙏
🙏
strong forum
dragon riding will likely stay, its too good not to keep
oblique garnet
They already had to nerf dragonriding because blizzard servers couldnt handle the speed
strong forum
they already said itll depend on community perception wherether it becomes permanent or not
minor helm
Can’t wait to RP in league Goldshire with rats
strong forum
They already had to nerf dragonriding because blizzard servers couldnt handle th...
well they nerfed soar
lusty tiger
They already had to nerf dragonriding because blizzard servers couldnt handle th...
Sounds like their anti cheat sucks
^^
Every dungeon will be like the nexus
oblique garnet
Oculus 
lusty tiger
Yeah that 1
strong forum
DO NOT make me control another fucking thing that isnt my character to do a fight
its the worst mechanic to me
lusty tiger
Pls no
strong forum
i WANT to play my own character, not pilot some bullshit robot or dragon to deal dmg for me
lusty tiger
also dont give any "dungeon specific friendly fire mechanic"
Like TD
lusty tiger
I like first pack workshop tho
strong forum
zap bots are alright because they dont require you to play around anything
its just a dmg buff
lusty tiger
The iron balls are ok too… sometimes
strong forum
first pack in workshop is ok, because its just 1 pack and you literally cant abuse it for anything else
the squirrel tech is just funny to me
lusty tiger
the squirrel tech is just funny to me
Love the squirrel tech
lusty tiger
Yea it DCs u
In arena
Literally spam it until the enemy dc
Then u win
In bfa?
All blending together
lament shell
Yall also dwarfs? Alliance is so dead
strong forum
dorf is bis aesthetic
lament shell
I fucked myself playing alliance on a 100% horde server
strong forum
just happens to also be good
lusty tiger
Am dwarf thinking abt nelf
lament shell
I play dwarf for the cleanse
minor helm
lusty tiger
Ur a furry kultiran
lusty tiger
I haven’t even noticed needing the racial for like 99% of these dungeons
I only reeeealy wanted it to cleanse bleeds in the non hoa venth dungeon from the gargoyles
lament shell
I usually get to higher keys where it matters wanted to try dwarf this season
lusty tiger
Does it cleanse necrotic?
lament shell
I play dark dwarf use the racial like a pot on executes
On low keys its just for dps
lusty tiger
Not for monk
lament shell
Human female = deviate fish delight
waxen frigate
nah
lusty tiger
Look like a walking microagression
lament shell
Its about the small model
lusty tiger
Noggenfogger
I have noggenfogger bound to my Druid speedy
I am a skeleton in all forms
lament shell
Ye same cant stand the looks of a bear
undone verge
how high have you guys gotten banner duration?
lament shell
You can go buy medalion that turns you into nelf
waxen frigate
undone verge
like straight buff timer
lament shell
like straight buff timer
80~ % on a low pug key
undone verge
not uptime, but like buff wise
drifting fable
and milhouse of course. cant go wrong with being milhouse
undone verge
straight until the buff ends
drifting fable
lofty widget
like straight buff timer
1.45
lament shell
straight until the buff ends
Idk never tracke dit usually before banner goes off cooldown again
undone verge
1.45 <:wicked:937093876857045012>
was it in ID?
undone verge
got this in an ID, coulda been higher tho.
lament shell
After 2 nd boss?
undone verge
yeah
lament shell
From executes?
undone verge
not executes just the trash mostly
lament shell
got this in an ID, coulda been higher tho.
No idea how you did that i max had 37sec after gunker on tyrannical in junkyard
crimson mountain
That’s nutty uptime there
oblique garnet
got this in an ID, coulda been higher tho.
Havent tried doing that because i keep using banner for more dam :^)
minor helm
undone verge
I mean it was like my second ID I’ll prob press it on CD now that I know I can get that nutty uptime, might as well summon Kevin
vestal moat
If we upgrade an LFR fated tier chest with mythic tokens it will go to the 311 version right ? I wanna know if I should keep the chest I just got.
real fossil
do u spend your outbursts solely on tc with show of force/UF? or like 3+ targets?
lusty tiger
I was thinking about that idk if that is good enough for banner uptime
urban portal
If we upgrade an LFR fated tier chest with mythic tokens it will go to the 311 v...
yes but optimally you dont wanna do that
lament shell
Ye probably if you want to experiment with thundercalp banner isnt right cov
urban portal
there are much better things to upgrade
oblique garnet
do u spend your outbursts solely on tc with show of force/UF? or like 3+ targets...
No
strong forum
do u spend your outbursts solely on tc with show of force/UF? or like 3+ targets...
If you do that you won't be able to keep up Banner for long
So that's a negative
Banner > all
oblique garnet
You press buttons on cd
Sometimes it hits outburst sometimes it doesnt
On ST you always try to SS tho
real fossil
huh
oblique garnet
If you use outbursts on tc you will not be able to keep 100% banner uptime
Which defeats the entire purpose of playing prot
lament shell
Banner makes prot strong
oblique garnet
Yes
strong forum
Which defeats the entire purpose of playing prot
Which nextback is displaying beautifully wrong
oblique garnet
More banner = big zugzug
oblique garnet
Which nextback is displaying beautifully wrong
Ok i watched tattman do 27 grimrail today
I wanted to rip of my hair because he randomly drops banner on st
south zealot
bruh its a 25 JUNKYARD
real fossil
yeah im still floating in the 65-75% uptime range i drop going pack to pack
patent osprey
Skyhold confirmed toxic 😛
jagged pier
lament shell
But he doesnt have to play perfect to time keys
strong forum
And nobody claimed you need to
sick sentinel
we have protection warriors, dozens of us even, by some accounts, fueled by protecting themselfs and party, with rage and only rage
OFC we toxic
strong forum
Playing the dungeon and having group coordination is alot more important than playing your class perfectly
That is the secret to m+
urban portal
cuz he has codex
sick sentinel
thats when you get to stop yelling and you evolve into DK/pala
strong forum
thats when you get to stop yelling and you evolve into DK/pala
Same rules apply there
lament shell
Usually tanks play all the tanks so its more than just knowing your class right?
sick sentinel
warrior LITERALY yell as job tho
strong forum
Group play > own play
sick sentinel
everything is shout this
strong forum
Usually tanks play all the tanks so its more than just knowing your class right...
That's not rly a thing
oblique garnet
Skyhold confirmed toxic 😛
I mean its bit toxic but i swear if you saw what i saw within 5 minutes of the key youd be saying the same things
patent osprey
its the theory vs practice 🙂 You can almost never play optimally in m+, there is too much going on/you have to worry about 🙂 Yeah ofc it sucks to drop banner, not be rotationally correct, or use an outburst on TC when SS is up, but it happens 🙂 Thought process/decisions are more important
oblique garnet
You know he started the key with prechanneled fleshcraft they shroud to bossroom to do zulgamux and infiltrator, he has fc active and he proceeds to overwrite it and then he dies because he didnt have it 🙂
shut summit
Otp for life, played dk for some TGP qual shit and hated it
strong forum
While it is more common for tanks to play multiple ones, it's not entirely common for a tank main to play all tanks
shut summit
Maybe time to whip out warr for tourney, run it down mid
strong forum
Hell yeah
lament shell
Ye unfortunetly we had to play bdk last season right
sick sentinel
i'mma turning re-roller myself here, i want to go get the high mountain tauren, i'm hoping i can just stream line the quest progess and only do some of the quests and not all of them
strong forum
Ye unfortunetly we had to play bdk last season right
That's only a thing you do to yourself
sick sentinel
and then, i have to run a bunch of toons to lvl 50 for the hertige
lament shell
I didnt want to troll my friends by playing shit class
lament shell
But its true
strong forum
If they were your friends, they'd play with you regardless of what you play
sick sentinel
strong forum
If you're skilled enough you coulda reached any level you reached with a bdk
lusty tiger
Nice 2004 RuneScape vod cursor
sick sentinel
see like there, i have 4 races already not completed for amor set
lament shell
Ofc but it take less effort
strong forum
Sure but at what cost
oblique garnet
If your concentration slips on warrior youre doomed
On bdk you press ds and are fine
strong forum
Literal training wheels spec
lament shell
Like anyone can play bdk its the least punishing tank probably
sick sentinel
i turn on cursor trails on windows generally speaking on every computer i own.
so, this feels natural to me
lusty tiger
I would argue doing a big pull on bdk without a MD is actually hard
Need the perfect nascar wheelchair route
lament shell
Thats why probably prot being good wont make it meta cuz you need to press more buttons and bdk is at the same level but you need little iq for it
sick sentinel
i'm not super confident about my monk
lusty tiger
Tank katarina
sick sentinel
i think hes dead in water
oblique garnet
cant play bdk because its too slow
strong forum
its the theory vs practice 🙂 You can almost never play optimally in m+, there i...
Which is entirely true, but then you check his blocked hits, and it's lower 71% and you think you're in the wrong movie. But like it has been stated, group play > own play
lusty tiger
I would play a monk for when I’m really high and tired
oblique garnet
Need that fast paced gameplay to stay focused
strong forum
<:danderson:904606068108304424> cant play bdk because its too slow
Hey its alot faster now that you stack haste 
But you'll press HS 28 times a minute
oblique garnet
Dont they go crit
strong forum
Chad ones do
lusty tiger
But you'll press HS 28 times a minute
How exciting
strong forum
For the parry
lusty tiger
Chad ones do
Opc
strong forum
Not just opc
lament shell
Parry "gear crit"
strong forum
Secret tech is full stacking crit/haste
lusty tiger
Wtf
strong forum
And you'll reach 90%+ parry chance
lusty tiger
Wtb healing tho
strong forum
What healing
lusty tiger
I guess don’t need to
strong forum
Don't need healing if you parry
lusty tiger
Haha yeah so stupid
sick sentinel
better yet
lament shell
Parry is pretty unbalanced
sick sentinel
they get weapon swing timer reset, so you don't take damage for longer again
and you then just parry it
lusty tiger
Avoidance(dodge,parry,miss) has always been unbalanced
sick sentinel
probablm e solved
lament shell
Dks hav 2 sec to think about pressing deathstrike after hit with how much parry they have
Is lit 🔥
lusty tiger
In tbc I can gear my war to be hit immune to non sunwell bosses
Imagine that… cannot be auto attacked
urban portal
Secret tech is full stacking crit/haste
what about the crit mastery unbind shield block
strong forum
what about the crit mastery unbind shield block
That's omega secret tech that Blizzard doesn't want you to know about
urban portal
ive been preaching this since day 1
sick sentinel
ows bis for prot as well? i imagine it is cause with the way ure pulling with banner you should have 100% uptime
urban portal
no one believed me
sick sentinel
and giga haste helps with banner uptime
uneven mason
Was it naxxramas that had some dumb rogue shenanigans with 102% dodge
Tbc, rogues tanked illidan
strong forum
ows bis for prot as well? i imagine it is cause with the way ure pulling with ba...
Yes
urban portal
yeah ows bis
urban portal
not anymore on dps
that nerf was actually pretty healthy
tbh
now trinkets can actually compete with it in m+ setttings
where you drop stacks
whereas its still bis in raid
strong forum
But they don't
oblique garnet
where you drop stacks
Haha no
sick sentinel
yeah ows on dps kinda cringe in m+ if tanks doesnt chain pull
strong forum
You only avoid running it maybe in upper
strong forum
I like raid decanter tbh
sick sentinel
decanter is amazing
urban portal
sims pretty closely even in 5m
sick sentinel
got it did a few keys as fury the uptime is crazy
strong forum
When I played it it seemed pretty good in keys
oblique garnet
Feelycraft > sims 
urban portal
true
lusty tiger
Good sound effect too
lament shell
It can be tyrannical for ever with executes
strong forum
Nothing beats a good execute fight
lament shell
Forti is so short ;_;
lusty tiger
Like chaos bolt has a good sound effect
lament shell
You should try going venthyr for sylvanas
sick sentinel
291 rack fragment (painsmith trinket) or 272 opc in keys? from what ive seen in my keys rack does respectable dmg overall like 5-6% as prot
lament shell
P1 highest sylv dmg done always
real fossil
No better feeling when 2-3 dps die and you just go sicko mode for a minute in execute range
delicate kraken
yeah ows on dps kinda cringe in m+ if tanks doesnt chain pull
Chain pull bolster
lusty tiger
Ye sometimes I hope a pug dies at the end of a fight so I can juice my executes
oblique garnet
I like how they changed the last boss in grimrail and somehow people die even more now
oblique garnet
To the spear
delicate kraken
DODGEABLE mechanic
oblique garnet
delicate kraken
Are you sure their monitors weren't turned off
sick sentinel
idk 2nd boss grimrail is just 
delicate kraken
sick sentinel
sleep time
strong forum
291 rack fragment (painsmith trinket) or 272 opc in keys? from what ive seen in ...
That's a sim thing
sick sentinel
it takes me about 2 - 3 boss pulls to fully grasp whats going on
oblique garnet
idk 2nd boss grimrail is just <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Its not sleeper if you are trying to hold on to your banner
delicate kraken
idk 2nd boss grimrail is just <:bedge:882323848844963860>
Resident sleeper boss as a tank
strong forum
Also, how much is the 5-6% in question as dps, and not as %
500 dps? 700 dps? 200 dps?
delicate kraken
Its not sleeper if you are trying to hold on to your banner
Shoot cannon, Pad meter
oblique garnet
Shoot cannon, Pad meter <:xeos:945501697847992341>
Only shooting cannon if i know i can get the shot off without dropping my banner
If you leave the vehicle as the cast is just finishing it doesnt show up in overall
For some reason
sick sentinel
500 dps? 700 dps? 200 dps?
should i just sim for st dps for rack?
and then 5 target or something
strong forum
and then 5 target or something
Yeah
sick sentinel
will do
south zealot
sim 100 targets 
sick sentinel
amber moth
Alright, I read the pinned comments and the #268491842637660160 but didn't see my question answered, nor in the last few chat comments.
Dinar purchases, what is the best to go for? WoWhead says OWS, which I'm fine with, but I currently have the 246 OWS and Enforcer's Stun Grenade. Since I already have a regular Heroic OWS, I am thinking to go down the line, but the next two are swords and shields, when I am already rocking 12/12 Scepter of Brutality and 12/12 Arrowbreaker Greatshield from M+, so I would go to Shard of Annhylde's Aegis. I mainly do M+, but do tank my guild's heroic runs and any forrays into Mythic raids.
oblique garnet
246 cant be upgraded
strong forum
The simplest question is this, how likely are you to get an upgradable ows
oblique garnet
I mean i had 259 ows and i just bought a new one with dinars
sick sentinel
idk i feel like i still take it over opc just cause of the mainstat gain
amber moth
246 cant be upgraded
Even over something like the Stun Grenade fully upgraded?
oblique garnet
🤔what
amber moth
The simplest question is this, how likely are you to get an upgradable ows
We plan to run it every week its up, and I acn run normal and LFR to increases my chances.
Sorry, late. Wrong person
strong forum
That's still fairly unreliable
amber moth
Even over M+ trinkets fully upgraded?
oblique garnet
Yeah
strong forum
Yes
amber moth
Alright, then I'll grab an OWS
strong forum
Ows is stupidly strong
amber moth
I know trinkets are where its at for raids, most of the time, but wasn't sure if the upgrade would be worth it.
strong forum
And you don't wanna miss out on the... 60? Str and a couple extra % of haste because you want a more easily farm able trinket first
That being said
Once the next SoD week comes along, you can buy your next 2 dinar items
hidden kindle
is Sepulcher's Savior 304 better than a 298 shield with stats?
strong forum
Yes
amber moth
Next two? I thought SoTFO would be when we can buy all 3, with it being 30/20/10
strong forum
Ilvl is the only thing that matters on a shield
hidden kindle
strong forum
Next two? I thought SoTFO would be when we can buy all 3, with it being 30/20/10
It's 30/15/5 now
They nerfed it
amber moth
Oh snap!
strong forum
So you get 2 dinars in 1 reset, in 2 weeks from now
brittle owl
fun
amber moth
and then I can go for another trinket and a fury weapon or something.
strong forum
Whatever your heart desires
amber moth
Thanks for the info! I appreciate it!
vestal moat
The one thing i hope they nerf is the # of boss kills for the upgrade token.
eventually i will have too many upgradeable items but not enough ways to upgrade them.
even 10 kills is a lot. For most of us that's 2-3 weeks of mythic just to upgrade 1 item.
sick sentinel
ye especially since many guilds decided not to raid s4
and just chill till dragonflight
sick sentinel
how long is it?
sick sentinel
damn
strong forum
Ya we're only going to see every affix combination once, with how DF release schedule is looking to be like
If you want to push, Mark your calenders, you're not gonna get many chances
vestal moat
yeah should make everything fated every week after this next rotation. and lower the upgrade currency to 5 kills
strong forum
The affix rotation is known continuing onwards from s3
real fossil
How soon are the push affixes
lofty widget
can rdm crit?
south zealot
How soon are the push affixes
next week is fort push
bursting storming
week after is raging volcanic
solid push week
chrome falcon
can rdm crit?
nop
real fossil
2soon4me 😩
plush prism
Okay lads, I'm absolutely dreading this right now. What would be your absolute ideal group comp?
mighty valley
DK would be nice but it's mostly just a pretty shocking DPS check and all the mechanics are really unforgiving
pallid quiver
players who can play
I still have yet to hit Lower due to real life and other game time constraints, but back in Legion, the amount of people who died to Witch Gravity powers was concerning
mighty valley
it's sorta like DOS dealer fight but add many levels to the keystone number
rotund sluice
Okay lads, I'm absolutely dreading this right now. What would be your absolute i...
from my experience figuring out a clean route is the most important to getting this dungeon timed and then having a healer that can pump for moroes and opera to some extent
maybe even pug into a 12 or something just to get the route down if you're not super confident
sweet summit
rotund sluice
aside from having a lust and a brez i don't think it really matters in terms of classes you bring
even bringing a boomkin won't be the deciding factor in bricking your key 😉
rotund sluice
chrome falcon
damn i got $5 spare
grave crane
3 bdks 2 boomies 2 survival hunters
rotund sluice
i'd go pwar, rshammy, destro, WW and sub
south zealot
bang for your buck yeah
unless u mean overall
but in what dungeon do u ever have 3 people which arent great with pi
prot rsham fire ww ret
is what id go i think
dusk jay
why is prot war the cheapest tank :kekw
lament shell
Gues my surv friend never had pi in keys
south zealot
at the start of this week on sub creation we were in guardian tier
south zealot
im lowkey down to ser a guardian meta
lament shell
It was super good but none played it
rotund sluice
i'd guess whoever created it meant for it to be more poking fun at boomkin more than anything else. it would be interesting if they did some kind of power budget for MDI just to see the different combinations
lament shell
It was giga good you havent played
south zealot
super good is an egregious overstatement
lament shell
It did the most aoe dmg from all specs
south zealot
thats literally objectively not true
south zealot
frost had the highest sustained aoe and ww was the highest burst aoe
lament shell
Surv was basicly the same surv right now but you not getting procs from 2 set
The same but no procs was good just none played. You had drjay snd avade pllaying it on the side
lament shell
How is raid decanter?
lament shell
How do you know that tho
south zealot
how do i know 9.1 surv wasnt doing upwards of 70-100k sustained aoe
or 100k burst aoe
lament shell
Wait let me find a video on youtube
urban portal
i mean yeah frost was #1
but survival definitely wasnt dogshit in aoe
it was ok
ok to good
plush prism
any last minute Upper Kara tips anyone would like to share? I've +++11 before but doing a much higher key now
rotund sluice
make sure everyone has invis to skip trash before chessboard
plush prism
hell yes thank you I would've forgotten to do that
I have the pots in my bag and I woulda pulled lmao
urban portal
yeah survival was definitely competing with other hunter specs
but idk if it was competing with real specs
sub/ww/frost etc
hardy snow
I have question about last boss in upper Karazhan, are our CDs sufficient to take one cast on spell reflect, then interrupt, then spell reflect next and so on?
or do we need sometimes help with interrupt from others?
lament shell
yeah survival was definitely competing with other hunter specs
Surv was the best hunter spec
lament shell
Surv was the best hunter spec
Other hunter specs were shit
urban portal
yeah
halcyon plover
When I did it I went reflect>kick>dps kick>reflect
lament shell
I linked it
hardy snow
When I did it I went reflect>kick>dps kick>reflect
oh ok, so SR makes it 3 casts rotation, thanks!
urban portal
you could link hunter overall
chrome falcon
depends how long your phases are too
urban portal
and see how many ppl did survival
halcyon plover
Generally it worked like that but depends what boss casts/phase timing i barely got a 2nd reflect before he phased on 21 tyran
urban portal
#1 was bm, #2 was bm, #3 was marks, #4 was marks
all hunters
looking at tormented hero too
probably the best choice anyways
you linked survival only
lament shell
Ye drjay figuired it out very late that surv pumps
urban portal
yeah im not saying survival was bad
south zealot
Ye dude ofc wasnt frost meta or something
im saying that surv was good but super good isnt correct
south zealot
surv was the most underrated spec imo
urban portal
maybe if the tier lasted another 2 months
it wouldve seen more play
cuz people only started trying survival cuz they wanted to practice for S3
and realized its actually not bad
urban portal
the moment the survival tier set was announced, the week after limit brought 4 hunters into their reclear
all survival
obviously reclear doesnt matter
but thats when people saw "hey this shit may be good lemme start practicing"
lament shell
Raid has little to do with m+
urban portal
my point is, people wanted to start practicing
gingi is both a raid and M+ god
echo also brought a bunch of survivals too
lament shell
S2 and s3 rotation is 0 similar
urban portal
they didnt know that
lament shell
Wasnt s2 like 8 months long?
lament shell
I think people just tried shit out
urban portal
but trying survival out on the same week survival tier was announced
is not coincidence
lament shell
Ye but they didnt push title with it the day it got announced
Ofc;)
The raider io you linked got people that played surv from the start of s2
urban portal
i see like 1 people in top 5
that played survival
im not clicking through every one of them
most of them did their best keys on non survival
lament shell
Thats why i linked surv only https://raider.io/mythic-plus-spec-rankings/season-sl-2/world/hunter/survival/0
urban portal
if you link survival only of course you are gonna get survival people, but my point is, survival is disproportionally under-represented among top hunters in general
and most survival players were not at the top
sure it was underrated but it wasnt insane
urban portal
if you were to average the IO of the top 10 of every spec, survival was lower than both others
lament shell
Still little people know it that surv wasnt shit in s2
And i brought it up because of the class picture someone sent above
Warrior being in C tier tanks
urban portal
being underrated is definitely a thing
south zealot
i think prot is rated well and underrated same time
urban portal
survival in s2 couldve been prot war in s3
but im not enough of a historian to know
south zealot
bunch of people know its good but also some people only want dk no matter whst
what
south zealot
kind of surprising there hasnt been any dk nerfs
urban portal
even warriors/havoc had their time in the spotlight in 9.1
south zealot
but ig they have been historically shit
urban portal
yeah blood has been bad for what, most of bfa and SL?
let them have this tier
they were good in legion tho
south zealot
yeah over past 2 xpacs they have been the worst tank overall
i think the issue is how much better they are to other tanks
but it is what it is
hazy edge
Blood was very strong in 9.1 as well, but most tanks were that patch
lament shell
Blood could always stand and tank a pack
In previous seasons you just didnt do any dmg
south zealot
9.1 i think blood was worst tank
urban portal
Blood was very strong in 9.1 as well, but most tanks were that patch
while you are here, how much do covenants matter for blood
south zealot
maybe prot war was
urban portal
id assume very little?
south zealot
but all tanks felt good in 9.1
hazy edge
while you are here, how much do covenants matter for blood
They don’t
urban portal
so rn they just play kyrian cuz mikanikos?
hazy edge
Venth is the only one that’s kinda ehh
urban portal
1 minute cd runic power
lament shell
Kyrian gives you more dancing rune w. Uptime
urban portal
good on frost
hazy edge
so rn they just play kyrian cuz mikanikos?
Just cause of rune regen in aoe. Synergies well with the tier set
south zealot
frost best is fairy right
south zealot
only frost ive ever played with is froststrike
hes a fairy gamer
ever played with as in high keys recently
chrome falcon
man 21 medivh just straight up kills me from 100 with 3 IPs with piercing missiles lmao
GUESS I'M GOING TO BRH
cobalt seal
man 21 medivh just straight up kills me from 100 with 3 IPs with piercing missil...
I guess it's pugs and they dont know kick rotations
chrome falcon
i mean
i should be able to live a piercing missiles
i guess i have to save DS
and not just spam for damage
but yeah every other kick was up and they just watched me die
oh well
chrome falcon
oh my healer was a resto druid and literally the only hot on me was rejuv
that makes more sense
very annoying that in legion that boss couldn't bring us below 80% hp
and now it feels almost impossible if you're off discord
south zealot
but yeah every other kick was up and they just watched me die
happened to me in a 24
i was cycling defensives for other ones
had 3 kicks up
boss had 5% left
that cast hurts so much
even through aegis it still chucks super hard
lofty widget
i wonder what the reasoning for not kicking it is
chrome falcon
they probably mostly do keys with BDK who can just death strike it back up?
lofty widget
cause even on coms when im calling kicks they just let missiles go through
chrome falcon
in legion any tank could just eat it
and in SL paladin brew and dk can just eat it
maybe not brew idk about that
but dk can just eat it
south zealot
oh yeah pally can block spells right
chrome falcon
and paladin can kick it themselves
south zealot
oh yeah pally ints everything duh
i think brew should be fine as long as you have your brews up
chrome falcon
upper is just a stupid instance anyway
lofty widget
honestly ill take a bit of pain on medivh if it means we can SR the rest of the dungeon
chrome falcon
the pacing is terrible for BLs
south zealot
i like upper honestly
chrome falcon
you pull 2 consecutive very hard bosses
south zealot
its the closest thing to a boss rush we’ll get
lofty widget
same, but only cause of SR
chrome falcon
then kill 2 dreadlords
lofty widget
the bosses suck
mild palm
How's the COS aa damage ring, ever worth using over mecha haste?
lofty widget
no
south zealot
some dps told me i should be farming that ring
lmao
i hate lower much more than upper
so much more
lower is my least favorite dungeon ever
south zealot
if upper was a boss rush and the bosses on lower were pretty free and it was a trash dungeon it would be a cool dynamic
chrome falcon
lower is obviously worse
south zealot
but lower just fucks you no matter what you do
we just need max or growl to call prot good so people stop only wanting brew or dk
lofty widget
btw, in GD theres a spot you can chill at the start where the overseers wont charge/knock out. thought id share 
coral marsh
how does legion timewalk m+ interact with the vault, does it count +1 run and does it increase the lootpool?
hazy edge
Counts as a run, doesn’t add to loot
coral marsh
can the dungeon drops be upgraded to 298 with valor?
hardy snow
yes
chrome falcon
my god
my upper kara has gone from 23 to 19
on medivh
literally 1 second on flame wreathe left and the dh just
walks out of it
not even a fel rush
dude just holds W
thorny stone
btw, in GD theres a spot you can chill at the start where the overseers wont cha...
How the fuck do you find shit like this 
south zealot
i never do my lower or upper keys
i reroll them
upper is also a key i go in discord
sick sentinel
havent had a single upper key or workshop yet
south zealot
if no discord i have 0 expectations
chrome falcon
How the fuck do you find shit like this <:greensloth:766650223098855504>
i would guess that an overseer charged there, he moved there to tank it and realised it just never recast
coral marsh
are the "bis" 285 dinar trinkets better than all 298/304 trinkets?
steel ruin
Logic loop of maintenance Pog or nah
waxen frigate
Almost certainly, the tank trinkets from dungeons are depressing
toxic pewter
people keep kicking upper kara last boss and im missing out on sweet damage wtf
Do you guys tell pugs not to always kick that fire blast?
south zealot
Do you guys tell pugs not to always kick that fire blast?
i tell them before the boss
and before dungeon
and i show the macro before dungeon
sometimes people still kick but its less than if i didnt do anything
coral marsh
these days just one griefer reporting you can you get you banned for such a macro
south zealot
how?
south zealot
its every 20 seconds
thats so aids
or can i report the peopleusing elitism helper
chrome falcon
or can i report the peopleusing elitism helper
you should do this regardless
toxic pewter
"kick when i reflect and i jump off"
lmao i love that
steel ruin
this any good?
chrome falcon
no
south zealot
no
steel ruin
aight
mighty valley
how often do you find yourself below 50%
toxic pewter
I have it and i dont use it
toxic pewter
these days just one griefer reporting you can you get you banned for such a macr...
lolwtf? is that a thing?
steel ruin
how often do you find yourself below 50%
When i got dog wank poopoo healers
toxic pewter
im already been warned i think if i get reported more i get suspended
steel ruin
but nah not often to be fair
toxic pewter
Am I wrong in thinking pugs at like lvl 20 keys should almost actively know about prot warrior spell reflect? Am I just being unreasonable? Yeah I guess without me saying anything people have no clue
after reading what I wrote it is probably asking too much
sick sentinel
same with CN
actually sod was longer than cn which blows my mind
cause i thought cn was unbearably long
sick sentinel
Am I wrong in thinking pugs at like lvl 20 keys should almost actively know abou...
prot life :/
floral solar
anyone using that addon getso ne warning from me
Shame is that if you turn off all the auto report features and use the details plugin it can be pretty useful in an organised group to work out where people are taking excessive damage from.
sick sentinel
PI ME PI ME PI ME PI ME
fucking locks man
like shut the fuck up u dont even need pi to be a top spec
floral solar
And any Priest throwing out PIs in pugs probably has a WA that tells them when major cds are being used.
grand locust
https://www.wowhead.com/item=185820/cabochon-of-the-infinite-flight?bonus=6805 just dropped. this gotta be BIS?
dusky mica
bis would be the 304 version with socket and leech, but normal one is good too
frigid zodiac
The stickies mention that Codex of the First Technique isn't good at all for prot, and yet a heap of the top IO warriors are using it. Is the sticky outdated or do people just use it regardless?
sick sentinel
Sadly, for, pugs, you will have to make a deal about it before the key starts, and that macro, to get maximum use of reflect
frigid zodiac
They are outdated
sick sentinel
people still kick the spells or they dont though, god only knows if that spell is going through in pug
urban portal
I can explain you why codex is bad or you can take my word for it
frigid zodiac
Scars it is! 
I will take your word, I thought it would be weird for the stickies to be wrong/not updated if it was changed recently
south zealot
basically codex is bad because 1. no mainstat so u lose defensiveness from no armor and you lose damage because no strenght
urban portal
And the effect is mediocre
south zealot
- the effect of the trinket isnt enough tankiness OR damage to make it useful in any scenario
south zealot
so youre actually squishier AND do less damage than if u use any other mainstat trinket
sick sentinel
the effect isnt particularly useful on prot cause u mitigate everything, sure maybe in some really really high keys it would do something but no mainstat = bad
urban portal
last tier it took +31 for codex to beat a shitty decanter
thorny stone
The stickies mention that Codex of the First Technique isn't good at all for pro...
Get the good version of codex, reactive defense matrix
cedar rock
whats better for Enforcers stun grenade or codex?
warm plinth
how often do you find yourself below 50%
Plot twist, they're actually a really bad prot warrior and spend all their time below 50%
warm plinth
whats better for Enforcers stun grenade or codex?
If those are your only options, stun grenade
mighty valley
it would take real skill to spend a lot of time below 50%
if you're dropping low often you're probably just dying soon
warm plinth
That's actually a fair point. Like you have to not press your buttons until you're about to die and then you press them perfectly without getting healed
😂
cedar rock
If those are your only options, stun grenade
i just got OWS out of weekly and those were my 2 other trinkets so im replacing one
coral marsh
its normal to drop low if you are lowgeared and healer is carrying you
warm plinth
i just got OWS out of weekly and those were my 2 other trinkets so im replacing ...
Yeah replace codex then
chrome falcon
man
pwarr fuckin owns in tyrannical workshop
just absolutely execute some idiots
tender berry
hej
Sepulcher's Savior do we use it on cd or keep it defensive or offensive
tender berry
thx 🙂
sick sentinel
can confirm TONS of re-roll Pwars incoming
loads of them
in my past 2 groups and has been common lately
south zealot
only 2 groups have timed a 22 lower this week
on na
how overtuned is this boss bro
patent osprey
first boss is kinda nutty
vestal moat
I cant even kill opera first boss on a 17, been timing 22s and 23s easily
south zealot
kinda..
vestal moat
on other dungeons
south zealot
29 grimrail is being done by growls group rn
and they havent done even a 22 lower
could be for lack of trying of course
or lack of a key
vestal moat
you only have to pull it once to realize they just have way too much hp
im fine with the dealer go up mechanic, dodge swirlies, kick adds, gather adds, etc
but its the fact the ads blast for a bunch of damage and have SO MUCH HP
and you cant burn the bosses eithe because they also have infinite hp
sick sentinel
HAVE FUN BUDDY
i don't feel like thinking about that shit lol
first boss, bolts over kill by 300%
alpine shard
just reflect them 🙂
sage hearth
Sorry if been answered already, but are there any specific loot items I should be targeting with the Timewalking M+ keys?
royal lodge
LoL, time for invisibility potions.
molten ruin
is first sigil any good for us?
cobalt seal
https://gyazo.com/f092d7482ecdaf36629011d3101c962a
when you say hold W
he thinks you gonna play everything from 2nd to 3rd
hazy edge
is first sigil any good for us?
decent, not the best option, but a very good one.
molten ruin
hmm okay, i have codex and stone legion rn and i wasnt sure if it was worth it
but ty
queen hemlock
im fine with the dealer go up mechanic, dodge swirlies, kick adds, gather adds, ...
i know its been 30 mins but how do you gather adds dont they throw shit at ranged?
hazy edge
hmm okay, i have codex and stone legion rn and i wasnt sure if it was worth it
anything with mainstat is better than codex
south zealot
i do this
obviously not in a pull like that bc thats just not possible
but those trash packs are easy
especially with reflect
chrome falcon
what you reflecting?
the lava barrage?
is that the shit on the ground or
isn't it rng who it targets
cobalt seal
it's supposed to be random
chrome falcon
i haven't had it do any damage for me yet
but yeah packs at the end are free
as long as dps personal when they're charged by cow
queen hemlock
Actually matta where do you shroud if you have it
chrome falcon
yeah wait dotbby what
i assume that's just a mistake
that they're not on there
uh i shroud the 2 packs before last miniboss
if i have
pallid quiver
he just takes a swim, ez
queen hemlock
Oh oke
Can i also ask how do you peeps tank for wikket currently
I did a 15 key tried to gather the mobs and tried to kick both bosses so they are in cleave range but its pretty garbage
chrome falcon
no idea
wikket is fucking stupid
try to pull something to a moneky
and cleave
but it's giga overtuned
sick sentinel
whats the difference between the different bolts they do
chrome falcon
dreary = tank flashy = random
sick sentinel
i thnk they just do the same bolt over and over until special for dealer mechanic
oh, so flash can deleted the healer
sick sentinel
immune the yellow circle on mail room is a good idea right?
sick sentinel
immune is really friggin nice, like paladin or mage ones
queen hemlock
Since most players tend to charge toward you until you use a mobility skill to run away or they realise you gonna immune
Even when called out
hollow kayak
Kara Lower. First boss. Can I fully ignore Magic Magnificent with spell reflect?
hollow kayak
Yeah, read it. It's not clear, on what I want to know.
queen hemlock
It says cannot reflect no deflect and i doubt it
But i survived with shield wall
On a 15 key
hollow kayak
Too bad. On the DOS boss Dealer Xy'exa with a similar mechanic, I could SR that one and just ignore.
south zealot
is that the shit on the ground or
yes
u just walk in with reflect and the bird just dies after like 20 seconds
chrome falcon
gaming
south zealot
this is supposed to be in the stars i just deselected on accident
south zealot
You can actually pull the pink pack back to get killed by the third ball
yes this is true
queen hemlock
Oh speaking of spell reflect
south zealot
but for some reason the absolute MONGOLOIDS that i get
queen hemlock
Grim docks final boss the dragon thunder breath
south zealot
dont think u can throw the star through the debris on the ground
south zealot
Grim docks final boss the dragon thunder breath
stand in swirl with reflect
queen hemlock
Sometimes i can reflect it sometimes i cant
median tulip
It's way easier in a pre-made, granted
queen hemlock
Like i walk in the first few times it reflects