protection

[chilly brook]

how is that prot?

[ocean yoke]

rip no trinkets but cant complain about +30ilvl on shoulders

[lusty tiger]

Smort warrior

[drifting fable]

hes been talking about mage all morning just leave it

[chilly brook]

Ah just Yogi things

I see

[sick sentinel]

all week, but sure, lol

[drifting fable]

thats worse brother

[stable valve]

replace 298 fusion hacker w/ 304 haste mast wep, or replace 278 shield w/ 304 + avoidance?

[lusty tiger]

Mage is the least fun I’ve ever had in m+ at least frost and fire

[stable valve]

or do I get the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig trinket

[drifting fable]

lol

[lusty tiger]

Codex angle

[drifting fable]

i cant anymore bro

HUGE trinket

[strong forum]

304 weppy

Oh wait

You have shield,

Then shield

[stable valve]

actually think the weapon over shield???

[drifting fable]

yeah the shield probably

[stable valve]

ah ok

[strong forum]

100% shield

[minor helm]

That’s shield all day

With avoid

Lmao

[zealous willow]

im for the shield

[drifting fable]

oh shit didnt even see that lol

nice

[stable valve]

yeah I'm leaning shield. just a bummer crit/mast when wep is haste/mast vers fusion hacker. but like shield is def best temp right?

[drifting fable]

you want the shield lvls for the armor value

[stable valve]

big sad I get codex in there instead of rdm though 😢

[drifting fable]

the secondaries are whatever

[stable valve]

oh for sure, I'm just thinking long term. but probs too much inting for short term to not

[mossy bridge]

anyone have any good macros for prot

[strong forum]

There's only 1 real macro

And it's the intervene/charge one

[lusty tiger]

I lose GCDs trying to intervene sometimes that might be the most tilting thing other than trash -> walk -> rp

With a fresh banner

[oblique garnet]

I mean you only really have 2 other shields youd take instead of that one

LoD or Sylvanas

[lusty tiger]

Those are 311 right?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[lusty tiger]

A 311 shield sounds so juicy

[waxen frigate]

got grenade from vault

but it replaces a green ZM trinket i guess

[lusty tiger]

Wtff

My eyes

[storm cave]

is Inescapable dread at 304 any good?

[lusty tiger]

No str, no haste, reduces auto damage

Idk

[drifting fable]

not better than SOD trinks

[strong forum]

It's terrible

It only procs on 1 target

[lusty tiger]

Jesus we fighting illidan?

Are there any bosses that swing fast enough for anyone to use that?

[strong forum]

Nop

[lusty tiger]

Blizz trolling as usual

[strong forum]

Usual AA speed is 1.6 for mobs

Some niche cases of bosses attacking slower

Jailer is 2.5sec swing timer iirc

And some very niche cases of mobs attacking faster

[lusty tiger]

Is curse of weakness a thing that guilds use?

[strong forum]

100%

Any warlock should use it often and everywhere

[hazy edge]

rygalon is faster cause he dual wields

[strong forum]

Ye

[lusty tiger]

I skipped normal last 4 in SOD

I hope I dont regretti

[strong forum]

I only did nine, guardian and sylv on normal

Same on lfr

And fullclear hc

And ofc nothing

[lusty tiger]

Basically same

I got the sylvanas heroic ring when we killed

I was thoroughly cringed out thinking what it could’ve been

[tardy granite]

It's that trinket good ?

[lusty tiger]

Like rdm special brother

[tardy granite]

I mainly play raid

[stark lance]

Anyone wanna advise on which item to pick? I have 265 rings and a 291 Aegis already

[strong forum]

Weppy

[little idol]

are anodized deflectors worth the stat loss for tanks?

[strong forum]

Cloak, but man that vault hurts

[strong forum]

Theyre mainly CC fodder

[glad nimbus]

Ya I suppose I can continue to farm a So'leah's

[strong forum]

They [anodized deflectors] have a niche use for the avoidance in high keys

But other than that they're mainly CC fodder

[stark lance]

Yeah the cloak isnt a bad pick actually as Im wearing a 265 one atm. Are the Bit Band's not worth taking?

[strong forum]

You can farm better ones...

At higher ilvl...

288 dungeon drop, upgradable to 298,you only pick the cloak cuz it's 301 aka just barely above m+ ilvl

And the 304 ring is useless cuz mechagon rings are bettee

[stark lance]

yeah thats true

[south zealot]

any ows rdm or aegis gamers

[rotund sluice]

how are we feeling about stun grenade trinket after buff? my gut tells me to take shield. I don't really raid so I'm looking at normal OWS & RDM for trinkets eventually

[strong forum]

Stun grenade is as good as it Sims.

[lime urchin]

What shield ya got now?

[strong forum]

Soleahs and raid trinkets still run laps around it

[urban portal]

the shield looks crazy

[strong forum]

Pick shield if you don't have 304 already

[lime urchin]

^

[rotund sluice]

i'm using a crit/mastery shield from streets

[lusty tiger]

Man will be breaking arrows

[rotund sluice]

current shield is 298

[urban portal]

what ilvl

then yeah

[strong forum]

Pick 304 shield

It's by far the biggest upgrade you can get

If shield then shield

It's that simple

[south zealot]

weapon for more damage

[rotund sluice]

took shield. thanks for help

[strong forum]

Well sure for dmg weppy is better, but shield is kinda important for a tank

[lusty tiger]

Anyone know what dungeon I can farm for some plate shoulders

[south zealot]

but my weekly 15 parses

[rotund sluice]

gambit is nice

[lusty tiger]

Nice I actually like gambit too

[rotund sluice]

helm, chest also drop along with soleahs trink and a decent ring & neck. the entire loot table is pretty ideal. you can even kick it into fury loot spec if you want a 2hander

[chrome falcon]

I am once again saying that if anyone thinks they suck or are mediocre at this class (specifically struggling with banner uptime or dps) and is doing keys in the 15-20 range, I would love to have your logs so I can make a youtube video comparing them against others and basically talking about how to analyse WCL as prot warrior

[dim tangle]

How valuable is the magic damage ring

[chrome falcon]

worse than the haste ring

[slender scaffold]

Anyone know if OWS can self-target?

[chrome falcon]

304 chest big stats

it cannot, loop

[slender scaffold]

Nuts. Thanks!

[lusty tiger]

Just search slimebeard on wcl

[rotund sluice]

I'm still working on improving my uptime on banner. I'll try to log a dungeon this week. do you also want video of the dungeon you can mix in?

[lusty tiger]

Plenty of dogshit logged

[chrome falcon]

i definitely wouldn't say no to the video but i can't promise that i have the patience or editing chops to do much with it

[south zealot]

mattacate what if i know i suck and i send logs from 22s

[rotund sluice]

i can just record and put it up on youtube and you can do with it what you want

[crystal iris]

no OWS buuuuuut

[strong forum]

Uhm

[rotund sluice]

big bit band!

[south zealot]

pog

actually

[strong forum]

Is the belt an upgrade

[neat trout]

is there anything to hunt for in legion m+?

[south zealot]

no leech socket

[strong forum]

Cuz ring ilvl doesn't matter a whole lot

[chrome falcon]

waaaaaaaaaait

wait wait

so the vault is like

for raids

it's cumulative

[drifting fable]

yes

[chrome falcon]

instead of week by week

[strong forum]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

interesting

[south zealot]

i thought it was week by week too

[strong forum]

It's all bosses you've killed this season

[chrome falcon]

and now i'm really tilted i didn't kill a 2nd shield boss

[drifting fable]

you get all 31 after theyre all down

[strong forum]

^

[lusty tiger]

I kinda hate that

[crystal iris]

I looted arms anyway

[chrome falcon]

i would definitely not say no

[drifting fable]

it sucks and it doesnt

you get a chance at SOD trinks every week

[lusty tiger]

Word

[drifting fable]

but it is a giant pool

[lusty tiger]

Should be a raid loot spec lmfao

Nice that means I could get another gluttonous spike

Dual wield them

[neat trout]

wheres the decanter guy lol

[hybrid cloak]

haste crit mh or neck with hole

[chrome falcon]

the neck is nuts

but

you have to go wep

if you're doing a mythic sepulchre clear tonight

you could wait on vault

but if not it has to be wep

[hybrid cloak]

yeah thats what im feeling, haste vers weap good

and weapon 311 is solid

if i up it

[drifting fable]

you wouldnt be able to up that weapon

304 is the max itll go

only raid weapons can go to 311

[chrome falcon]

^

[lusty tiger]

If I’ve only killed pre end boss mythic bosses I can’t get 311 in the vault though right?

[chrome falcon]

correct

[hybrid cloak]

na like rygelon weapon

wait for that

and up that

[drifting fable]

oh rigjt

[chrome falcon]

^

[drifting fable]

yeah

pretty much what matta means haha

[chrome falcon]

only way to get a 311 weapon is by upgrading a 285/298 weapon

[lament shell]

Na didnt get any ows

Rip

[south zealot]

havent opened my vault

but i know i have ows leech in there

[lusty tiger]

Wb sire or ry or kt mythic?

[chrome falcon]

ofc

you could just

get it

but i mean anyone who is killing those bosses on mythic already knows that

[lusty tiger]

I c

[brisk sparrow]

so did I read that right that we are aiming roughly for 40% haste - is it worth sacrificing any ilvl for that?

[lusty tiger]

I haven’t been if the haste gain wasn’t more than 2x the str loss but that is very rough

[chrome falcon]

on jewelry yes

[median tulip]

bah. Killed The Nine on all 4 difficulties but no trinket

[uneven mason]

Not on anything that has str

[chrome falcon]

^

str >>>>>>

[brisk sparrow]

I am sitting at 27% haste with pure ilvl gear, even ilvl ring since my haste ones are around 252 - after reading that 40 should feel okay...maybe that is part of the reason why I feel like I starve on rage sometimes

[chrome falcon]

nah

[chrome falcon]

[uneven mason]

What continent

[median tulip]

unlucky

[crystal iris]

hahah its on my pally

[brisk sparrow]

mostly m+ around 15ish

[uneven mason]

What lego

[chrome falcon]

do you have any logs

[lusty tiger]

Signet

[brisk sparrow]

reprisal

[drifting fable]

haste will not be the reason you feel rage starved btw

but if you have a log that will help

[brisk sparrow]

I don't have logs - but I know for a fact my uptime sucks - shows around 40-50% on details, was just kinda wanting to know if the 13% are maybe a bit of help there^^

[uneven mason]

Yeah if you're already using reprisal then you'd need a big brain to pick at logs

[drifting fable]

haste helps, its not an enabler

[uneven mason]

Haste won't fix anything it just happens to smooth our gameplay out

[drifting fable]

if you havent checked this vid i do recommend it https://youtu.be/WG8aMkCE5j0

[chrome falcon]

haste definitely helps

if you could log a run and post it

[brisk sparrow]

I see - so it is a mtter of get good ...I was worried about that 😛 But I know quite a few mistakes I am doing

[chrome falcon]

i will make a full youtube video analysing it

and love you forever

[drifting fable]

it helps for sure but its not gonna be the reason you cant keep it up

[chrome falcon]

^

over the course of a run you're going to hit like 40% haste anyway

[uneven mason]

We'd need to see if you're overspending on stuff like, IP or pressing ww

[lusty tiger]

Pressing ww

[uneven mason]

Just saying

[strong forum]

All my routes contain press WW

[brisk sparrow]

thanks for all the help I really appreciate it, I will practice a little bit and come back at that offer when I feel like I am hitting a wall

[drifting fable]

honestly more common than id think right? its not like blizzard says “dont use this”

[strong forum]

||But that's just holding the W key||

[lusty tiger]

I know but man that is a feeling

Yea there’s no way not to know

And while leveling I think you have to press it

[drifting fable]

little easier when they give arms SS and its like “hmmmm ok”

[lusty tiger]

So can we 2h tank then?

With ww spam

[drifting fable]

no lol

[uneven mason]

WW should be replaced by a button that calls you names for pressing it

[sick sentinel]

can you do half a W press i wonder

[lusty tiger]

Just the whirl

[mental pasture]

Is this thing any good?

[lusty tiger]

Without the wind

[sick sentinel]

cuz you can do half an A press in super mario 64, which they used to break the game

[dusty schooner]

with the legion timewalk. there are any new bis trinket for m+?

[strong forum]

A video guide on how to keep up and maintain Conqueror's Banner
By @chrome falcon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&

[chrome falcon]

gaming

[drifting fable]

yo it happened

youre famous

[chrome falcon]

nossir

[brisk sparrow]

thanks again for all the help! will try to embrace the guide even more now! 😛

[dusty schooner]

???

[lusty tiger]

Just SOD trinkets

[strong forum]

Faulty Countermeasure is a good one to pick up for parsing, but FSA is better from SoD

[lofty widget]

is legion m+ active then? heard some ppl say it got cancelled

[strong forum]

Ember of Nullification is also pretty decent for Medivh specifically in Upper Karazhan

[strong forum]

in DF its cancelled

[lofty widget]

ah

FCM grind it is then

[chrome falcon]

i don't think i can make myself do FCM grind again

after last time

[dusty schooner]

i know, but theres any legion trinket that can be any good?

[lofty widget]

did yo uend up getting it?

[chrome falcon]

but i'm never getting FSA

[lofty widget]

i only did 3 runs then igot bored

[chrome falcon]

yeah like 4 hours before reset chimmi

[strong forum]

we'll just farm Ember of Nullification just in case

[chrome falcon]

took 40 something attempts

[lofty widget]

sheeesh huge

[chrome falcon]

holy shit man

how much haste can we get

with lust+dreadlords+egg shell

that's gotta be well over 100% right

[strong forum]

egg shell is 1ppm

[chrome falcon]

oh no egg shell is

dogshit

[lofty widget]

whats egg shell?

[chrome falcon]

but it's hilarious

[strong forum]

eggshell is a ramping haste trinket

[chrome falcon]

nightmare egg shell from uhh

darkheart thicket

[strong forum]

granting you a few seconds of insane haste

[chrome falcon]

at the end of the ramp it's stronger than BL

but it's very low proc rate

[strong forum]

gives you like 30% haste but uptime is DOGSHIT

[chrome falcon]

it's an insane trinket if you get a proc at the exact correct time

but you never do so

it's bad

[strong forum]

its like praying you get unholy set proc during execute

except its a ramping buff instead of static

[chilly brook]

time to watch british man @chrome falcon even though I don't need it

[strong forum]

its sir attenborough himself

big fan

[lofty widget]

innit

[chrome falcon]

pip pip cheerio my dudes

[sick sentinel]

so, is ist in karazhan lower keys the opera boss is always set like the HK 8 in junk?

for the week

[lofty widget]

ye

same boss for an entire week

[south zealot]

a w press is a w press u cant say its only half

[sick sentinel]

okay, i know about there is an adds fight, (dont understand that one at all but cleared it at least once) theres one with a guy that has an orange stun ring

[onyx vessel]

why did your video give me a hard on

[chrome falcon]

[strong forum]

madjay acting sus

[chrome falcon]

hella sus bro

[sick sentinel]

and im still confused about final boss sort of i think i haven't expereinced moroes on tyranical yet

[chrome falcon]

(DM me tonight my discord name is in the description)

[onyx vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-oh-shit-a-am-sorry-gachimuchi-gif-13510847

[strong forum]

the thing with lower kara is

you choose which is your last boss

except opera, you do that one first

but usually you do Maiden last

cuz every boss you kill grants you a dmg buff for the rest of the key

[sick sentinel]

maiden is sort of a joke

[strong forum]

on low keys maybe

[lament shell]

What are the affixes

[lofty widget]

wait really?

[chrome falcon]

lower kara is giga disgusting

[onyx vessel]

ushers

[chrome falcon]

worst instance of all time

[strong forum]

explosive bolstering

[lofty widget]

yeah

[chrome falcon]

honestly i'm just glad we have it now

so we never have it again

[strong forum]

yes

[lament shell]

Favorite

[lofty widget]

+20 for the port, then never again

[drifting fable]

same with GD

[chrome falcon]

[sick sentinel]

bolstering is only 20 seconds

permanent if you have pepega dps

that kill things every 18 seconds

[desert solstice]

How is Soleahs for us? 304 tier shoulders and a 304 soleahs in vault

[sick sentinel]

very good

[drifting fable]

shoulders better

[sick sentinel]

id say

[strong forum]

if you dont mythic raid, pick shoulders

main armor pieces > jewerly and stat trinkets when it comes to vault

ilvl increases on jewelry and stat sticks doesnt mean as much as ilvl increases on armor pieces

[uncut dome]

How do people seriously maintain almost a 100% on necro banner

In raids

Its insane

[strong forum]

charge alot

[undone verge]

just got the 3 abilities JY ring in vault 304

[strong forum]

and press TC and SS on CD

[undone verge]

then got the haste ring first try from WS

[uncut dome]

TC ?

[real fossil]

Go buy a lottery ticket

[desert solstice]

What are the best raid trinkets and dungeon trinkets

really trying to weigh my options

[undone verge]

fr

[strong forum]

thunderclap

[uncut dome]

Thank you

[south zealot]

wait what

[uncut dome]

Thanks

I wqas legit wondering how the fuck people were managing that uptime on it

[fallen belfry]

Def codex

[lament shell]

Id play soleah instead of ows if you dont have ows yet

Oh fuck i read something above

Nvm

[desert solstice]

Gonna buy OWS tonight after raid

[lament shell]

Ows + soleah angle?

[desert solstice]

In a raid format or M+?

[lament shell]

I saw that combo in m+

For raids you probably want more dps

[grave crane]

how do we proc the logic loop of division for attacking behind?

[strong forum]

ows + rdm is the default m+ combo

or well, going to be

aegis gains value for a more defensive approach

soleah is good if you dont have ows

[drifting fable]

270 arc behind them+sides

so you can wiggle

[lament shell]

I have this kara 10% ring but might swap if dungeons dont do dmg

[strong forum]

that ring is bait

[drifting fable]

yeah the 3 times is more consistent

for sure

[desert solstice]

Gonna buy OWS with Dinar after raid tonight. What would be my Raid set up?

[lament shell]

Its like pressing rune tap before touching monsters

Pretty good imo

[strong forum]

for raid just pick whatever sims highest

[lament shell]

Matrix sims high

[strong forum]

matrix is good

[dreamy wedge]

So how much do you need to keep OWS stacked in M+ for it to be worth it? My guild’s Druid is er, special and needs to drink a lot, and yes I’ve tried many things to help and it hasn’t done anything

[strong forum]

if you lose OWS consistently, its obv of much lesser value

[onyx vessel]

you control the pulls

easier to keep up

healer oom

[south zealot]

lower kara is by far the hardest dungeon this week right

[lament shell]

Dude its about rogues no getting restealth

[strong forum]

lower kara and gambit are gonna be really hard

but its legion m+ week

so you spam legion instead

[south zealot]

gambit explosives

[lament shell]

Bolstering is chill imo

This week probably the lower key you do the harder it is

Healers usually do explosives

But on a +15-20 they refuse

No truers? ;_;

[south zealot]

true maybe

[dreamy wedge]

Oh god right explosives, ugh. I end up having to do most of them in my guild runs, is pain

[south zealot]

my goal is 0 explosives killed this week

[lament shell]

Oh rogues can also one tap with melee

[lusty grotto]

oh hey congrats on the pin @chrome falcon

[grand locust]

BIS rings are overclocking bit band and logikc loop of recursion right

[south zealot]

is that haste and 3 hit

[grand locust]

yeah

[south zealot]

yes u want those

[hollow hill]

Is gluttonous spike at all decent for prot? I'm rocking a 265 elegy of the eternals right now and already have a 291 shield so no need to take the apogee anima bead

[desert solstice]

Its not horrible

Its not great

[strong forum]

its better than nothing

is as good as it sims and gives you a bit of hps

not great not terrible

[sand egret]

leech bis iirc

that's what mwahi taught me

[strong forum]

ya just turn into tier or keep as is

[lofty widget]

those are hot

[strong forum]

i myself use the same pants without turning into tier

cuz big damooge

[chrome falcon]

tier legs are crit/haste

isn't that just better than crit/vers?

[sand egret]

I ended up taking my 304 helm since i'm still sporting a 255 tho

[strong forum]

nah

not always

for raw dmg, crit vers are very good stats

its a sim question

and im at 28% crit and 33% haste, so a bit of vers goes a long way dmg wise

[vernal vale]

Oh, no do I dare try to get it and fail like last time?

Is it worth wasting my time?

[waxen frigate]

Not really

With sod trinkets back in the pool

[strong forum]

FCM is only worth wasting your time if you want to parse and dont get fusion amp

[waxen frigate]

^

[strong forum]

fusion amp is slightly better than fcm

[waxen frigate]

It’s literally a ST parse boy

Bot*

[vernal vale]

Salvaged fusion amplifier is much easier to get without wasting my week.

[strong forum]

welllllllllll

you have limited access to sfa

FCM you can just grind out in 1 week

sfa you need the rotation + luck

[waxen frigate]

You can

But should you

[strong forum]

unless you wanna buy with dinar

[waxen frigate]

Rotation goes away eventually

[strong forum]

sure

[waxen frigate]

However it’s looking like a 4 month tier

[strong forum]

but rn its looking like this season will only be lasting 10 more weeks

so uh

[waxen frigate]

So I’d personally guess at most 10 of each raid

Yea

[strong forum]

giddy up if you wanna achieve anything

[waxen frigate]

Well I guess if prepatch = fated goes away

[strong forum]

sounds about right

probably, maybe not

pre-patch also means talent trees

and all the other shenanigans

optimising gearing will be the last of your concerns

[vernal vale]

Hmm, I don't think faulty countermeasures is worth my time in all honesty. Though for the weekly quest I'll only run vault of the wardens.

[urban portal]

neither is

[mighty valley]

took a 304 overclocking bit band... now I REALLY need them junkyards

[vernal vale]

Junkyard luck has not been kind on my second ring.

[minor helm]

Fk u

[mighty valley]

where's the love and support

[ebon wren]

272 OWS trinket, or 304 shield. 🤔 (I do not own an OWS)

[strong forum]

Get shield, buy ows with dinar

[mighty valley]

agree

[ebon wren]

true, probably buying aegis first though?

[strong forum]

If you absolutely need aegis, sure

But for a well played prot aegis isn't that mandatory

[mighty valley]

saving aegis for last for when I have nothing left to do but push

[ebon wren]

ok. ya ill buy an ows probably then

[strong forum]

Like you can't go wrong with buying aegis

You'll get milage out of it, especially if pugging

But ows is significantly harder to get than aegis

Up to your personal pref

[south zealot]

boys

what are your keybinds

[waxen frigate]

but replace kyrian stuff

with necro stuff

old screenshot from when i was testing stuff

[dawn canyon]

keybind talk

[waxen frigate]

its literally all personal preference

[hybrid cloak]

is there anything we need to farm out of legion timewalking keys?

[wind oak]

for keybinds you just need to make your own logic

[south zealot]

its funny to see people get so upset at keybinds

[wind oak]

and be confortable using it

[dawn canyon]

Exactly that's why there's no point talking about it

[south zealot]

my charge is w revenge is 1 shield slam 2 thundeclap 3

[waxen frigate]

you want ppl upset ill post my whole UI where chat is top left

[tame kite]

hey i remembering seeing an intervene macro that would target a random melee dps or something ? does anyone have that ?

[south zealot]

[deft wigeon]

Got a 278 Shard in the vault, but does it make more sense to grab the +20ilvl pants there and buy the shard with my dinar (cause then I could upgrade it to heroic in theory)?

[dawn canyon]

Sim out fcm

[south zealot]

never seen one for a random dps

i use a mouseover macro on vuhdo

and hover over a melee on the frames

[wind oak]

maybe a focus macro too

[south zealot]

one of my friends has heroic throw on 1

[median tulip]

Faulty Countermeasures and the Jeweled Signet of Melandrus are AFAICR the only things worth the effort

[dawn canyon]

I have breath of sindragosa on 1

[mighty valley]

ring can't be worth it in a bit band world

[tame kite]

ahh this is what i was looking for lol

[median tulip]

you may be right

The Plate transmogs are good tho

[grave crane]

wait does tar randommeleedps work?

[hybrid cloak]

gotcha alrighty ty

[lofty widget]

no

[mighty valley]

no this is nothing lmao, that was just written as an example where you'd replace "randommeleedps" with a player's name

[median tulip]

./tar Party1 used to work

or was it party1

[grave crane]

ok just making sure lmao i just use the toon name of one of my boys and throw that on and call it a day

[median tulip]

If you're trying to make an intervene macro just do /use [@focus]Intervene and set focus on your intervene bitch

[tame kite]

oh yeah thats a good idea

[south zealot]

i only would recommend that if you have no interest in high keys

sometimes u have to intervene hunter so they dont die

[urban portal]

using intervene for its intended purpose is cringe

[wind oak]

intervene is weird in pve

[south zealot]

sometimes as in everytime they get any mechanic especially in tyran

[wind oak]

it's clearly a pvp spell

[tame kite]

yeah i understand that , although i have an interest for some what high keys , i find it best for me to focus on improving at one thing at a time so i just use that as a replacement for now

[south zealot]

fair enough

i like intervene

[wind oak]

it's cute

you just use it as a mobility most of the time

not quite the intended way

[toxic pewter]

slime cat cant even fly... wat the heck

[south zealot]

i use it in the “intended” way with safeguard more than anything

well that and reprisal of course

[lofty widget]

intervene is just 20 rage and revenge proc, no?

[south zealot]

3s of shield block too

[wind oak]

because Reprisal helps you

otherwise you wouldnt use it that much

[clear sapphire]

So I dont know if its a hard choice but I got a 304 wpn or a 291 defense matrix to choose

[mighty valley]

i just mouseover macro and use it manually on a melee on CD, but lets me occasionally hold it if i really need a safeguard

[wind oak]

dont chose yet

[near pewter]

you guys getting OWS first from the Dinar?

[south zealot]

i personally would go defense matrix then buy ows

but idk if thats optimal

[south zealot]

yes

i will

[wind oak]

dont chose early chest yet

just clear the raid first

[lofty widget]

it's sepulcher this week

have to wait 3 weeks for another shot at rdm

[wind oak]

and you get the weekly that will give you a raid normal loot

[royal burrow]

So my prot war is pretty fresh... should I get a 272 fated shoulders or a 265 defense matrix? Both would be an upgrade, shoulders would be a higher ilvl upgrade. (from vault)

[lofty widget]

probably rdm, 272 shoulders are quite easy toget

[south zealot]

rdm

can upgrade with raid tokens eventually and shoulders are replaceable

as chimmichang said

[royal burrow]

cool, thank you

Replace IQD or power crystal? Both 252 from last season.

[lofty widget]

iqd

[near pewter]

any good items from the legion timewalking this week?

[lofty widget]

meh not really

[drifting fable]

technically you can loot RDM from vault every week if you killed guardian

[south zealot]

definitely iqd

[lofty widget]

oh thought it changed per week

[stark lance]

RDM or Aegis first my peoples. I also have a 291 heart from the blood elf fella

[drifting fable]

no you can get all 31 in a big pool after this week

[lofty widget]

probably would still take rdm cause chances of seeing that again is gonna be super low

[drifting fable]

provided you killed them all

yeah the pool is gonna be huge

[lofty widget]

i'd advise RDM, but it's a personal choice if you feel you need the extra defense from aegis

[dim zealot]

are anodized deflectors worth anything to prot?

[stark lance]

I feel like Aegis is good but RDM is more consistent

[lofty widget]

very very niche defensive value, but youre probably better off just cc'ing them

[lofty widget]

yeah, you will always get value out of rdm, cant say the same for aegis

[last pebble]

do you ignore SB during banner or do you still try to have as much uptime as possible?

[lofty widget]

you play your rotation as normal

so yes

keep reprisal on cd etc

[waxen orbit]

Who hurt him

[drifting fable]

infinite mald

poor guy doesnt know how to run their own key

[sick sentinel]

SKILL ISSUE

he's just mad

[south zealot]

my warlock friend is like that

he apparently can “never get into any keys” and hes gotten into more 24s and 25s i have

[sick sentinel]

im very surprised that i pugged my own key to a 15 succesfully

i got that automagical trinket i was talk about

[lusty tiger]

304 gloves

[wicked snow]

is [Inescapable Dread] any good? I presently use [Splintered Heart of Al'ar][Blood-Spattered Scale] both at 278

[sick sentinel]

i could have got boots or chest, but yeah

[real fossil]

I get to choose from a 301 wep, 301 shoulders, or a normal ilv aegis

[drifting fable]

nah keep the other two for now they have primary. inescapable doesnt really have a good effect and it is a vers trink

[chrome falcon]

nice!

just lost an iron docks timer

because the balls bugged

and wouldn't kill any ogron

[drifting fable]

sick game

[lusty tiger]

f

[lusty grotto]

have you guys ever had the ungabunga big dude before 2nd boss just decide to... leave?

cause that happened to me yesterday

the getting angry dude

[dawn canyon]

What key

[lusty grotto]

just.... strolled off

[dawn canyon]

ID?

[lusty grotto]

rail

[dawn canyon]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

literally decided to run away, kept stacking getting angry

decided to come back when i pulled next pack

lmao

[chrome falcon]

yes

it happens if you get grenade knocked back

and clip outside of the train for as ec

their pathing gets GIGA bugged

[lusty grotto]

i honestly was laughing my ass off

but now i knoww

[chrome falcon]

well

it's not funny when it happens and it runs the other way

and pulls the whole train

which happens to me literally 1 in 5 keys

[lusty grotto]

yeah

for sure

[ebon wren]

what level does dinar gear start at?

[lofty widget]

normal raid

[chrome falcon]

norm

[lofty widget]

278

[chrome falcon]

what you buying with dinar chimmi

[lofty widget]

ows probably

[chrome falcon]

think i'm going rdm

[lofty widget]

yeah im torn tbh

[sick sentinel]

i just don't have alot of friends in the mage discord, im in it, i just haven't sent like barely 100 message in ther probably

[chrome falcon]

do you have an OWS already

[sick sentinel]

i'll probably migrate over there some point

[lofty widget]

nah i dont, but i really want rdm too

cause thats gonna blast

[south zealot]

saw this yesterdsy

but it was close enough to not be 100% sure if they just missed it or not

[lusty grotto]

lets see what the box has for me

[chrome falcon]

nah

after the first one

i started tanking them literally in front of the ball

it was killing orcs stood on top of them

it was 1000000% bugged

and yes major

shard is still the best defensive trinket

it's an immune

[south zealot]

weirdge+sadge

[lofty widget]

wait shard got nerfed?

[clever heart]

Is there any legion gear worth farming ? either for survivability or damage ?

[chrome falcon]

don't think so

faulty countermeasure from votw is good for damage

not the best but definitely good

i don't think shard got nerfed

and even nerfed it'll be busted

[south zealot]

did it?

[chrome falcon]

would need like 40% nerf to not be insane

no

i'm pretty sure major is thinking of ows

[lofty widget]

ah right

not gonna run it anyway

[south zealot]

no way i get sockets 2 weeks in a row right

[vestal moat]

Tough decision on what to buy. I have shard normal. I also have access to a mythic titanic ocular gland and soleahs. I know none of them replace OWS. I know i should buy OWS especially since sometimes I off spec. But there's some part of me that's leaning towards RDM. Someone talk me out of it or not ahhhhh cant decide.

[chrome falcon]

go RDM if you already have an OWS at 259+

otherwise go OWS

[vestal moat]

My OWs is 246 :/

[chrome falcon]

hmm

i think you go OWS

but don't spend upgrade on it

i think you want 278 OWS and 291/304 RDM

more than the reverse

[vestal moat]

I tend to agree . but i kind of wanted my second buy to be weapon or shield high ilvl. prob get more out of RDM though i know. especially since weapon or shield 304 isnt out of the question to farm and rdm just never seems to appear.

[south zealot]

my monks vault was 4 pieces on my leggos and the other 2 being on my helm which is my highest ilvl piece already

rng manipulation now my warrior vault is op

[vestal moat]

No matter what i shouldnt upgrade a Shard past 278 right? Seems I'm already invincible while it's activated so further upgrade is just for a small amount of passive str.

[south zealot]

if u have nothing else to upgrade why not

[vestal moat]

well yes of course i just mean it's like the lowest prio

[lofty widget]

upgrade prio is probably RDM>aegis>shield>ows

[peak hound]

Does anyone know what Prot warriors can do to help with the mini boss (zal'gamux) as keys get higher? I get my ass insta handed to me by the magic damage debuff he applies.

[south zealot]

not a ows or rdm gamer

[lofty widget]

since for shield to be better than an m+ version it would have to be mythic

recursion ring huge???

[south zealot]

already have 298 ring and weapon

[vestal moat]

Where do we put a weapon in that order Chimmi

[south zealot]

not sure which is better

[lofty widget]

reflect on cd

[vestal moat]

the 311 weapon assuming we have access to upgrade

[lofty widget]

prob between shield and ows

[south zealot]

zul gamux hurts a lot

play well use ignore pain etc

[lofty widget]

also aegis being that high up is assuming you actually need it

[south zealot]

spell reflect as many autos as you can

we poggin

[plush prism]

fucking kill me please 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i have a 268 shield and 278 pants... go with chest or highest ilvl upgrade?

[south zealot]

LMAOOOO

rip vault

[dawn canyon]

+27 in bags.. Inzane

[lofty widget]

27 lower

[south zealot]

why does chest matter

[lusty grotto]

more stats

[dawn canyon]

It's a depressing vault, really

[south zealot]

either pants or legs, whichever is bigger ilvl i guess

kinda sadge vault

[lusty grotto]

i mean i resubbed on saturday lol

i did what i could

[south zealot]

no i mean

the pieces u got

[lofty widget]

both are replaced by +15 loot, maybe just grab sockets?

[south zealot]

tru u could go sockets

[lusty grotto]

yeah i was thinking chest might best to grab a M+ one

[mighty valley]

what is your current chest

[plush prism]

can you upgrade Fated raid gear to Fated Heroic or anything like that?

[lofty widget]

probably is short term yea

[lusty grotto]

lol harrow get ready

[mighty valley]

ok i'd take the 30+ ilvls for now

[south zealot]

yes go chest

or socket

[mighty valley]

zap it into tier

[south zealot]

up to u if u want short term or long term increase

[mighty valley]

we can get so many sockets now tbh, can hold off and get into working shape for the near future

[south zealot]

chest is sooooo much better for you right now but your next m+ key can just give u a chest as well

[lusty grotto]

yeah no, its short term for sure

ok then lets do that

[mighty valley]

if you're pugging you'll need short term ilvl to even get into anything

[lusty grotto]

yup

i can at least get my leggos in order now

[raven kettle]

i gotta figure out what to get with this first dinar

i got OWS from vault

[lusty grotto]

gz

[raven kettle]

i was thinking shard, but the guide says its not hard to get

[mighty valley]

you can't get it for another few weeks

[raven kettle]

thats what i was thinking

is the 278 worth?

[mighty valley]

it's best for big keys, not a huge deal in most raid encounters, so depends on what you're doing

[raven kettle]

doing keys

[vestal moat]

it's not much easier to get then RDM. A lot of pug groups on guardian last week.
The difference is whether you want to try your luck at mythic raid but yeah

[raven kettle]

mostly

[mighty valley]

shard is near-invincibility for 8s, rdm is just an overall good balanced trinket

or buy a gavel for offspec and go bananas

[raven kettle]

guide says to go for devastated worldshard after OWS, but i have the MH from mechagon it seems better

[lofty widget]

mechagon wep is worse at equal ilvl

[ocean yoke]

scars

[mighty valley]

if you're not raiding a lot and just buying a normal item, none of the weapons or shields are gonna be worth much compared to the much higher ilvl m+ stuff

aegis is probably the biggest outlier for value at lower ilvls

[south zealot]

rost my binds

spikey trinket is macrod with banner

[tribal birch]

How much dmg do i have to do as a tank? Like half of the dps?

[mighty valley]

varies a lot

just do as best you can

[south zealot]

depends on key

[chrome falcon]

IP on X seems insane for my hands but idk

[lofty widget]

if X isnt sit idk what youre doing tbh

[mighty valley]

you gotta have that Get Crit button bound

[south zealot]

right below d

[mighty valley]

i have taunt on G too! homie keybind

[hardy ridge]

Haha same

[tribal birch]

Is crit any good for tank warrior?

[south zealot]

good for damage

[lofty widget]

dmg and physical dmg yea

[tribal birch]

I like that

[lofty widget]

uhh physical dmg mitigation i mean

cause of parry

[mighty valley]

ilvl > haste > the stats you like best tbh

[lofty widget]

yea

[zealous willow]

That buff to stun granade wrd

[fast latch]

Hmm... Got a 304 weapon from the vault. Or do I take the RDM from the vault? Tough choice.

[vernal vale]

RIP my vault with a 304 piece of garbage codex in it

[civic torrent]

my man

[old flame]

A little advice on this vault?

I have a 278 neck and a 298 shield

[cinder nova]

Gland imo

[lofty widget]

whats your current trinkets?

[old flame]

mythic aegis at 252 and a 272 decanter

[chrome falcon]

what ilvl is rdm

[cinder nova]

Grenade is dogshit, not sure why this is an inquiry. It's a bad on-use with a worse passive stat bonus.

[lofty widget]

i mean you either take gland or sockets

but you would just replace it with ows anyway

[old flame]

because maybe there was some tech that made it decent? idk

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but a 291 gland and an OWS is better than both of those

[chrome falcon]

if RDM is 304 and you have access to mythic raid gear i would just take RDM ngl

but weapon is probably the pick

[lofty widget]

true s, yea gland is prob the pick

[old flame]

makes sense

just wanted to make sure I wasn't going nuts

[next plaza]

Grenade has some decent representation on mplus. Is it just because people haven't gotten better and it's a high ilvl choice?

[old flame]

probably

[cinder nova]

People also oversimp for vers

Still stick in BFA endgame

[chrome falcon]

yes

give it a few weeks

[old flame]

that and remember a good chunk of M+ players are still in verse simp mode

[next plaza]

Was trying to noodle out what to dinar and I was thinking about getting the shield trinket because I got a rf ows.

[chrome falcon]

the only trinkets you will see are 9.1

[next plaza]

Gotcha.

[chrome falcon]

you do not need aegis

unless you are doing 25+

[lofty widget]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwUnOwKrZ3w y'all seen this?

[chrome falcon]

i would take RDM

yeah chimmi shit is nuts

i think i knew about it back in legion

[next plaza]

Rdm?

[chrome falcon]

guardian trink

[old flame]

reactive defense matrix

[chrome falcon]

but i rediscovered it yesterday

[next plaza]

Of matrix.

[cinder nova]

Where do we get our dinar anyway

[chrome falcon]

i can't wait to see nom's 3/4 prot warrior group

1 shot the boss with that

[lofty widget]

[chrome falcon]

dinar quest auto completes

you spend it next to vault

[next plaza]

Gotcha. Is the damage for 20s from rdm just better? Or what's the reason for the gate on 25s?

[torn gulch]

for people that do not raid at all the stun grenade is ok

in my opinion

not the best but ok

[lofty widget]

it's not really a gate, just around that key level you can probably start thinking about using it

you dont have to tho

[old flame]

so would you not recommend using a dinar on an aegis? and for trinkets I guess OWS and RDM is best combo?

[chrome falcon]

idk i haven't felt like i've died (Except on big fuckups) on the 22-24s i've been pugging

[south zealot]

t_t

[chrome falcon]

so like

you probably don't need it either

RDM is just a huge pumper trinket

RDM procs are like a random IP that does 17k damage

[lofty widget]

good key tbh

[south zealot]

with throw nerfed its good yeah

[lofty widget]

bosses are kinda easy in there

except maybe third when he jumps on a dps

[chrome falcon]

last boss is s o o o o l o o o o o o o o o n g

safeguard tbh

[south zealot]

the time seems like a big issue

[chrome falcon]

easy mechanic

[south zealot]

completing that key is fine

but timing it seems sus

[lofty widget]

now that wranglers arent one shotting theres some pretty easy trash towards the end

just reflect lava burst from the flamespitters and they kill themselves

[south zealot]

ive never known how that works

u just stand in the fire?

[lofty widget]

i thiiink it's a frontal so go in front of them when they cast it

and just have reflect up

didnt really get a chance to test it properly tho

[south zealot]

i see

this was my breakdown for junkyard

def need more executes

[lofty widget]

yeah maybe

too hard to tell without logs tbh

looks alright tho, tc maybe bit high

[next plaza]

Gotcha so at most key levels doing more damage and better play is fine. 25+ is when you just need things to mitigate the ball slapping.

[chrome falcon]

p much

[cinder nova]

Do you only see the vendors for dinars if you have one?

[next plaza]

Man I just want crutches. Getting good is hard...

[south zealot]

does spell reflect on last boss in upper scale with tyran

like do we do more damage

[south zealot]

ive heard this to be the case

[south zealot]

i probably used a couple too many outbursts on tc

[next plaza]

It should scale.

[cinder nova]

Oh wait we have legion TWing

is it worth to farm for a FCM?

[south zealot]

sod trinkets are bis

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure FCM slaps harder than most anything we've seen, it's just not available.

[toxic pewter]

wait why is it not available

[cinder nova]

It's a legion trinket.

[toxic pewter]

isnt timewalking going on right now

could get it right now unless im missing something

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but I don't think you can do M+ like last time

Maybe I'm stupid

[toxic pewter]

i think you can i got a key

[lofty widget]

you still can

[cinder nova]

!!!

[torn gulch]

i think you can

[cinder nova]

Oh fuck I gotta farm it

[torn gulch]

you can't in DF

it goes away

[sick sentinel]

how are you supposed to unlock the 3 mobs i think are supposed to beside teh vualt for dinars

27/30 so far

[chrome falcon]

try... getting 30 dinars?

[south zealot]

wait what even is fcb

[lofty widget]

faulty countermeasures from vault of the wardens

[south zealot]

oh

good dps for sure

st

[cinder nova]

I'd be shocked if RDM beat it out ST

[lofty widget]

fusion amplifier does apparently

[cinder nova]

I feel like Fusion Amp is a simtrap, I've used one before and it did fuckall

[deep solar]

are there any good trinkets out of legion dungeons?

[grand locust]

are there any tank specific mechanics for tovra (last boss of grimrail)?

any way to position for lightning?

[deep solar]

i believe they updated it today adding swirlies to where the lightning will appear

haven't done it yet tho

[grand locust]

yeah that was actually updated a few days ago to add that

which is nice

but nothing tank specific about positioning right?

[deep solar]

i wouldn't say so

[undone verge]

298 OWS aquired and lfr sigil

[neat trout]

is there anything we want from m+ tw

[urban portal]

it indeed does not slap harder than gaurdian dps trinket

[serene haven]

where should i make my unity

[urban portal]

thought its mainly because main stat

[south zealot]

how often do u guys get people who consistently pull extra shit for 0 reaon

[chilly brook]

Not often

[woeful sphinx]

Can i get some help on the decision? Highest shield is 291 and this is my vault. I don't have any of these pieces in my bag

[cinder nova]

301 weapon

[sick sentinel]

i thought maybe you had to get the raid completed on normal

[cinder nova]

304 if you hate yourself

[sick sentinel]

to unlock that guy

i got 30 now, but jailer LFR

[serene haven]

should i make my 291 unity on my waist

[woeful sphinx]

Skip Aegis and Shield?

[toxic pewter]

i prob would just take the shield

[cinder nova]

Does OWS retain its last-boss ilvl increase when bought with dinars?

[chilly brook]

Yes?

[toxic pewter]

yah it does mine is 298

which is in line as if it dropped from heroic sylvanas (used the 20x item that upgrades normal to heroic)

[sweet echo]

anyone know if this is a good tank trinket?

[toxic pewter]

pretty bad iirc

the proc rate is really awful

also no str

[sweet echo]

figured

[hollow zodiac]

guys what do you think between 304 shoulder and 304 mechagon haste ring?

[urban portal]

does no damage

[hollow zodiac]

shoulder sims higher, but I can get it from anything in MM

[urban portal]

has no main stat

[toxic pewter]

i would prob take the ring myself, that haste ring is not dropping for me lol

[hollow zodiac]

I have it already so it would be just a 6 ilvl upgrade

[toxic pewter]

hmmm

[chrome falcon]

if you mythic raid just go haste ring

304 shoulders shouldn't be hard at all

[hollow zodiac]

we are not very far in progress, we cleared 5 boss in sod this week

[sick sentinel]

ahhhh i found them now 🙂 have to do the quest yes

[hollow zodiac]

but yeah I feel like that's more worth

[sick sentinel]

hmmm i have som descisions to make on mage...

[hollow zodiac]

ty for advice

[simple agate]

i have defense matrix already 291 do i use my coin on OWS or Annhylde's aegis to replace my codex 298?

[patent sigil]

are any of these TW legion pieces better than OWS ?

@simple agate Codex is not good for warriors

[waxen frigate]

Probably depends on content you’re doing

If it’s not high keys I’d go OWS>aegis

[simple agate]

m+ mainly

[waxen frigate]

If you’re pushing keys I’d go aegis

[waxen frigate]

Level?

[simple agate]

20s and higher

[waxen frigate]

Don’t need aegis until at least mid 20s imo

But

If you feel you personally need the defensive on use

Then go for it

[cinder nova]

Imagine not taking OWS anyway :^)

If you aren't doing at least 15K overalls you're inting

[sick sentinel]

mage as big as my warrior now, 274 on mage 278 on warrior

[toxic pewter]

nice

[chrome falcon]

@alpine shard I SEE YOU IN MAX'S CHAT DEFENDING PWARR BRO

KEEP THAT GOOD SHIT GOING

[alpine shard]

i know what's good

[cinder nova]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[chrome falcon]

[cinder storm]

Max is like the last person I'd take an opinion on pwar

[chrome falcon]

max wasn't flaming warrior

just some random shitter calling it bad

[alpine shard]

now max is hyping up fury lol

i dont see fury rising above the meta specs

[valid finch]

i just got the Reactive Defense matrix from TW 278, also have Pulsating Stoneheart 262 & weave of Warped fates 265. along woth the RDM what other trink should i be using

[cinder nova]

From TW? 🤔

[valid finch]

the weekly chest

chest for completing 5 tws

[sick sentinel]

emissary

[valid finch]

yes

i'm assuming the 265 since it has more str & higher ilvl

[cinder nova]

aHH

[sand pebble]

Can you upgrade the tw box loot?

[cinder nova]

If it's fated, yeah

[valid finch]

it is a fated RDM

[sand pebble]

Sweet ty

[valid finch]

also was wondering Ravager or Into the fray for M+?

[chrome falcon]

ravager

also please get literally any other 2 trinkets

RDM is awesome but

those other ones are horrific

[south zealot]

these ones are good for prot right

[valid finch]

i know but they are the best i have atm gonna use the life saver til i get better