protection

[drifting fable]

live your best life

[lusty grotto]

true, youre right

[oblique garnet]

i mean technically kt wrists are bis if you get mythic ones

idk if theres higher

[drifting fable]

funnily enough

[oblique garnet]

from sod

[drifting fable]

those were the 298 i got from the heroic chest

[sick sentinel]

huh

[lusty grotto]

i doubt im gonna raid anything higher than lfr or even normal any time soon so

[sick sentinel]

where do you go to spend them?

[uncut dome]

What is your Dream trinket setup? 😅

[sick sentinel]

i don't see it yet

[oblique garnet]

OWS RDM

[crystal iris]

I got mythic hunstman wrists with a socket that must be pretty close

[drifting fable]

im guessing great vault

[lusty grotto]

late im gonna do it

im sorry

i have to

[uncut dome]

RDM?

[lusty grotto]

Codex

[oblique garnet]

$mute @lusty grotto

[uncut dome]

Isnt codex like useless for warriors?

[true pawn]

Done.

[drifting fable]

[muted nexus]

codex enjoyers

[toxic pewter]

Yes codex bad

[urban portal]

What’s the default mute duration

[strong forum]

perma

[drifting fable]

damn. rip nimchip

[urban portal]

Dang

He even boosted the server

[toxic pewter]

lol

[drifting fable]

😔✊

[oblique garnet]

15 minutes

[urban portal]

So anyways lemme tell you about

So it gives main stat

[valid finch]

Ok not up to date on my shorthand. OWS? RDM? etc…

[drifting fable]

Old Warriors Soul, Reactive Defense Matrix

[valid finch]

Thx

[toxic pewter]

What you going to get

[valid finch]

I’m pretty sure I will get boots or neck of some kind in my vault

[drifting fable]

can only buy weps and trinks if youre talking about the dinar

ah

ill pray for your ows 🙏

[valid finch]

Is a shield on the dinar table for us or no?

[drifting fable]

you can buy a shield yes

[toxic pewter]

yes

[urban portal]

Try not to buy a shield

Until you have mythic currency to upgrade it

[toxic pewter]

can maybe get one off lords of dread this week

meanwhile trinkets are gone for like 2 weeks

[mighty valley]

trinkets are unique, there are many shields that are basically identical

[toxic pewter]

yah run grimrail depot 14s/15s a lot and you can get shield

then upgrade it to 298

its a quick dungeon

[sick sentinel]

i looked on wowhead

at my first msg a minute ago

and i didnt see where you go to spend them

just people in comments arguing about if they were being correctly awarded for killing bosses or not

[toxic pewter]

Yeah the npc that sells the items will be there today

[oblique garnet]

next week

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea what hes gunna sell so unless i do normal and LFR i wont have any on warrior

[toxic pewter]

yogi it is time to come back to prot

[sick sentinel]

i know i did the first fated on warrior, but only did 2nd on mage

[toxic pewter]

this patch is very fun

[valid finch]

I’m settling back in to my old wow routine heal on Druid dps on Hunter & tank with warrior

[sick sentinel]

hunter is always a good time, always

except ammo matters

[lusty grotto]

sir ive been boosted since 2018

[sick sentinel]

you have all the advantages of being a ranged magic caster, but you hit with physical attacks and pets to keep it in place/melee, is fantastic

true 10/10 class

[urban portal]

hunter is never terrible yeah

hunters position on meters is relative to the skill

of the rest of your team

kind of like dh

[sick sentinel]

so, DH is easy?

[urban portal]

yes

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i been thinking about that too

[urban portal]

you can play like the sim

in like 2 hours

at least this iteration of dh

[sick sentinel]

too bad KT can't be dh, would make a morshu dh for memes

monk is pretty close enough

[lofty widget]

codex "good"

in 26 jy

[toxic pewter]

🤦‍♂️

[queen hemlock]

Pls sir no more fan codex flames sir

[lofty widget]

yea yea sorry

[dawn canyon]

You missed out big time

It popped off today

[mighty valley]

do you have literally no other trinkets besides those two

[toxic pewter]

wat happen

[south zealot]

you did a 26 jy with codex

codex phial

wtf

[lofty widget]

i just ran it to show how shit it is with proper play

[strong forum]

thx for proving the point

[south zealot]

the ooze almost besting it is so funny lmao

[lofty widget]

thats why i ran it

good comparison

[south zealot]

respectable

[strong forum]

its also JY

[south zealot]

also looking at ur logs tells me i need to use execute so much more

[strong forum]

you can get by there with running useless trinkets

[chrome falcon]

execute owns

if you can press execute you probably should

[strong forum]

even in my 5tank runs ill run a cheat death trinket in JY

[chrome falcon]

very few exceptions

[strong forum]

cuz all you gotta do is not lose bots

[lofty widget]

we wiped last pull 😦

[strong forum]

F

[toxic pewter]

losing bots in junkyard makes me want to actually just leave the key

[strong forum]

codex diff

clearly

[lofty widget]

fell asleep in front of cavalry man

yea

[south zealot]

this was a junkyard 22 i think

[strong forum]

that looks wrong

gotta work on the other buttons

[chrome falcon]

that's a lot of TC right

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

i made ungodly amount of mistakes when i rand that 14 junk on mage last night

[chrome falcon]

that feels like a lot of TC

and like

not enough ravager?

[strong forum]

cant check cuz WCL is shitting itself

or my internet

[sick sentinel]

fucked up everything except gunker mechanics and final boss get to tower and hack the tower

[south zealot]

yeah its sus

[sick sentinel]

die do every dam cleave and swirly, it was super ugly

[south zealot]

this was a bit ago so i wasnt as good of a gamer i am now

[vestal moat]

Guys anyone sort of feeling the stun grenade now after the buffs?

[dawn canyon]

No

[chrome falcon]

nope

[minor helm]

Raid trinkets too good

[chrome falcon]

^

[urban portal]

another 2% vers isnt gonna save it

[sick sentinel]

i mean for the nobody that can log on RN, yes

[chrome falcon]

it cannot be overstated how much better than everything else the 9.1 trinkets are

[south zealot]

stun grenade op

[sick sentinel]

1.5% vers if its a 96% increase 1.4??%

45 vers = 1% dmg

[vestal moat]

Comes down to Dinars though. I guess the question is whether takng a sacrifice and using something like stun grenade and forsaking RDM or shard, BUT now we can buy the shield or 1H that is very very difficult to farm.

Im buying OWS no matter what obv

[strong forum]

just sim it

stun grenade got a tiny bit better

but soleahs still runs laps around it

and any raid trinket

[feral gale]

40 vers = 1% not 45 p sure

[sick sentinel]

i asked someone what the cap was and his ilvl of the thing had like uh 98versa i think

[strong forum]

that was pre-buff

and yes, 40 vers = 1%

[sick sentinel]

is it 40 or 45, addon shows me 30 is 0.75 dmg

[urban portal]

stun grenade is just a trinket you use right now

before you get good trinkets

[sick sentinel]

my rating buster addon is super old, from like 3.4 i think, causes errors, but handy at a glance when it worked

patch 4.3.4

[strong forum]

why do you have an over 10year old addon

[feral gale]

yeah ratings buster is a long dead addon

[sick sentinel]

is there a succesor to it?

[south zealot]

lmfao

[drifting fable]

what does it even do

[strong forum]

its pawn

but old and bad

and pawn is already bad

[feral gale]

I have a real basic one but not at my pc, it's just called 'combat ratings' or something

it's updated for SL

[toxic pewter]

how valuable is leech

[lofty widget]

cool to have, dont drop ilvl for it

[toxic pewter]

ok that makes sense

[undone verge]

Speed is the only thing that matters

Must go fast

[toxic pewter]

like i got this leech 291 aegis and i want to use RDM (also will be 291) but like losing leech just feels bad lol

[feral gale]

I think it's this one @sick sentinel https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/convert-ratings

[undone verge]

I feel like 291 aegis with leech is mega bis for m+

[south zealot]

pawn tells me verse mastery ring is better than my heavyyyy haste mastery ring from mechagon

[strong forum]

just use both?

[south zealot]

[toxic pewter]

yah but then i cant use ows

[lofty widget]

fuck aegis

[strong forum]

for pawn you need to update the string anytime you put in new gear

[toxic pewter]

yeah I mean I love my aegis but it does no dmg

[strong forum]

which you get by simming

[undone verge]

I mean we can get like 90% haste in m+

[strong forum]

but simming already tells you which is the better item, so pawn loses all of its effect

[toxic pewter]

yeah true, i feel like does stat trinkets lose value with the dreadlord buff or wat

am I misunderstanding it

[strong forum]

no it doesnt

[undone verge]

I’d say just run aegis plus whatever you like

[strong forum]

id run ows + rdm until aegis might prove more useful

[toxic pewter]

i hate losing my leech though 😿

[undone verge]

Leech fun

[toxic pewter]

hard choices

[strong forum]

its up to you

[median tulip]

Fucking definition of a first world problem you got there

[toxic pewter]

yes i will figure it out LOL

[strong forum]

rdm is more dmg, aegis is more defensive

[south zealot]

guys its fine we all get ows with leech in gault

vault

then we get rdm with dinar

[undone verge]

lol fr, I’m stuck with, do I use my 278 trinket or my 272

[lofty widget]

im hard counting on that

[undone verge]

Neither of which are actually ‘bis’ trinkets

[toxic pewter]

how much haste does ows 298 give

in terms of %

[south zealot]

a lot

[toxic pewter]

is it like 6% or something

[real fossil]

At what point would the defensive delta between rdm and aegis even be important? Like big fortified pulls?

[strong forum]

like 9%

[toxic pewter]

o shit 9... wtf

[chrome falcon]

big fortified pulls with lots of casters

[toxic pewter]

thats so good lmao

[strong forum]

yea. its massive

[south zealot]

does thr second part of ows do anything

or is it irrelevant

[toxic pewter]

like wtf 9 LOL

[chrome falcon]

basically irrelevant

[strong forum]

irrelevant

[chrome falcon]

for tanks at least

[strong forum]

it can technically kill you

but if youre at 5k hp

youre practically dead anyway

[chrome falcon]

i did a 24 gambit and never felt like i would have popped aegis

[real fossil]

Would you agree OWS and RDM feels like a set and forget while aegis is a path specific

[chrome falcon]

but like 26+ i guess?

[strong forum]

yes

outside of upper kara

thats an aegis+rdm kinda thing

cuz ows loses lots of value there

[chrome falcon]

aegis stronk in upper for sure yeah

[south zealot]

i tried a 24 gambit and felt like i needed aegis

but thats also because im bad

[toxic pewter]

i cant believe ows gives 9 that actually made me laugh irl

[chrome falcon]

idk if you have SB up in gambit

literally the only mobs that do anything

are waterbolters

and brackish bolters

[south zealot]

mightve lost shield block then

[chrome falcon]

enraged pirates can maybe hurt if there's also a dreadlord

but that's it

[strong forum]

just calc, "ows 1stack haste * 5 /33"

thats how much haste itll give

[toxic pewter]

i see

[strong forum]

33 haste = 1%

[lofty widget]

26+ could maybe argue for aegis but realistically 28++, especially when we get more gear

[real fossil]

Everyone picks OWS as their first dinar tho cuz haste

[chrome falcon]

OWS is the big juice

how much haste is a 304 OWS per stack

[toxic pewter]

i think 50

[chrome falcon]

it's gotta be more than that

[lofty widget]

ye

its 50

[chrome falcon]

huh

[lofty widget]

heroic is 47

[strong forum]

says 59 on wowhead

[urban portal]

even then, is aegis even that OP on ST

its still good

[strong forum]

i guess thats pre-nerf

[urban portal]

but nothing amazing

would rather use raid decanter

[chrome falcon]

259 is 40

so i guess that adds up

[toxic pewter]

i looked in dungeon journal yesterday it showed 50

[lofty widget]

SHIT scaling wth

[strong forum]

?? sir, do you even know the bosses of upper?

[urban portal]

oh right

[chrome falcon]

aegis is insane on devourer

[urban portal]

forgot

[south zealot]

arcane barrage

[toxic pewter]

aegis so good in so many situations

[chrome falcon]

grab 10 stacks during execute, pop aegis, go immune

it's so stupid that we can't check this stuff in game

oh wait

we can

when it's that raid's week

cool

my GOD

304 aegis is twice as good as 252 aegis

that's absurd

[strong forum]

🙂

[toxic pewter]

O_O

[south zealot]

wait really

[strong forum]

its 17k absorb

[south zealot]

lmaooo

[strong forum]

iirc

per attack

[chrome falcon]

15.4

[strong forum]

close enough

🙂

[chrome falcon]

252 is 7.5

more than twice as strong

[strong forum]

🙂

check rdm

🙂

[chrome falcon]

meanwhile OWS is 200 haste to 220 haste

weird scaling

OWS doesn't even get that much better with ilvl

[south zealot]

with wrangler nerfs we can skip 1st pack right?

[chrome falcon]

i'm not even going to go OWS first anymore

RDM first

[strong forum]

rdm is 17k proc iirc

[chrome falcon]

17.5

[real fossil]

But you already have one

[chrome falcon]

also twice as good as 252

[toxic pewter]

mattacate do you already have a Ows

[strong forum]

🙂

[chrome falcon]

yeah true bbunz

yeah i already have 259

[toxic pewter]

ok makes sense

[strong forum]

more news at 11, stat trinkets dont scale as hard with ilvl as proc trinkets

(they changed this in bfa)

[lusty grotto]

whats next on the news though

[shut summit]

Codex daily report

[south zealot]

why codex is op

[real fossil]

I don’t have an OWS, so I think my first 2 dinars will be OWS and then RDM

[south zealot]

LMAO

[lusty grotto]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh

[strong forum]

people being dumb enough to buy mythic ra'den funnels for a mythic vita, when heroic vita was only 1% worse

[chrome falcon]

sense no...

[strong forum]

thats the story at 12

[chrome falcon]

no more...

[tardy granite]

@strong forum sir which trinket shoud i buy first with token my warrior dont have any DEF trinket or OWS

[lusty grotto]

pls no dont mention ra'den

[toxic pewter]

lol

[south zealot]

i got normal vita first try

[lusty grotto]

oh i got vita

[strong forum]

ows or rdm are going to be your first trinkets to buy, pick whichever thing sounds hotter

[lusty grotto]

but slappers T_T

[distant crystal]

i got a 304 aegis last week

feelsgoodman

[toxic pewter]

nice O_O

[lusty grotto]

never hated my life so much as slapper farm 😦

[waxen orbit]

What’s first prio for purchasing with dinars?

I’m assuming RDM yeah?

Either that or OWS?

[strong forum]

ows /matrix > shield (if you can upgrade to 311) / matrix > aegis

[waxen orbit]

Word, figured as much

[shut summit]

Wish mythic rdm woulda dropped not heroic

[waxen orbit]

Cant wait to get outpaced by everyone in there weeks because I don’t raid and I’ll be capped at 304 while everyone else has 311

[wild hemlock]

prot pally disc said matrix is bad

[shut summit]

😫

[waxen orbit]

[tardy granite]

Lord of Dread Shield or Sylvanas Shield ?

[south zealot]

paladins

[waxen orbit]

Just more fuck you’s to people who don’t raid

Love to see it

[wild hemlock]

when i said it was good lmao

does the trinket differ for pally/warriors

[strong forum]

sylv for dmg parsing, LoD for general play

[toxic pewter]

can vault drop items from raid bosses u didnt kill in previous week, i forget how it works

[strong forum]

no shot

[drifting fable]

you have to have killed the boss at least once

[chrome falcon]

LOD shield > sylv shield

[drifting fable]

then it gets added to the pool

[waxen orbit]

WTB dev team that doesn’t force people to raid to get the highest ilvl gear for M+

[toxic pewter]

Ok, thank you

[south zealot]

what r stats on lod shield

[drifting fable]

[toxic pewter]

[waxen orbit]

[wild hemlock]

idk who to believe

[minor helm]

[lusty grotto]

Lincoln is here?!

[waxen orbit]

Definitely not Lincoln lmfao

[lusty grotto]

@wooden radish hello mwahi's cat

[waxen orbit]

RDM is crazy good for us

[wild hemlock]

it as in pally discord lol

[drifting fable]

he might mean pink class but

[waxen orbit]

Oh

[wild hemlock]

THAT WAS IN PALLY DISCORD

[waxen orbit]

Pink class maybe not. Idk

[wooden radish]

hi. i haven't killed you in a while in PVP

[lusty grotto]

you never killed me, i refuse to believe it

[mortal brook]

?

[toxic pewter]

pink class leave this websight

[wooden radish]

its not bad but its not ideal

[waxen orbit]

Nah nah we respect the other prot spec here

[wild hemlock]

ty

[waxen orbit]

One of the few tank specs that also requires skill

[wild hemlock]

didnt see that one just searched it in disc. TY

[ionic fern]

We respect the other Prot cause they have a shield.

[south zealot]

guardian takes skill

[ionic fern]

That's a brotherly bond.

[chrome falcon]

the only true and correct answer

[waxen orbit]

Exactly. That and also the complexity

[lusty grotto]

firm hand shakes with pink color

[chrome falcon]

this season they're even pretty good at using it!

they have like 70% block chance

[waxen orbit]

[chrome falcon]

they're getting there

[wild hemlock]

i just saw mixed answers and wondered if it changed based on class

[mortal brook]

ppal just leaning aegis atm 🤷‍♂️

both very good

[wild hemlock]

rdm way cooler

[zealous willow]

I will use my RDM till the end of expansion

[south zealot]

dumb question but why is block important if sb gives us 100% block

[waxen orbit]

Aegis is just all around nutty for M+

[mighty valley]

block value increases % blocked

block chance doesn't matter though

[waxen orbit]

Because you can block even more. Wdym

[wooden radish]

@wild hemlock asked me if he should spend a diner on RDM and i said no. get aegis and ows

[south zealot]

ohh i see

[wooden radish]

if you get RDM as a drop, its def. usable

[waxen orbit]

More damage blocked

👍

[wooden radish]

but not better than aegis

[wild hemlock]

TY

[strong forum]

block value =/= block chance

[south zealot]

didnt know it increased damage blocked

[zealous willow]

but it is for warrior or paladin

aegis is for high end keys right ?

[drifting fable]

lincoln is talking about paladin

but aegis applies here too

[wild hemlock]

i confused everyone sorry bye

[waxen orbit]

I’d say Aegis is for sure a better pick defensively for M+ as prot warr but I’m a minority in that opinion

[lusty grotto]

leave mwahi's cat alone

hes a homie

[wild hemlock]

trying to make game plan before raid tonight lmaooo

[chilly brook]

maintenance for another 3 hours

[real fossil]

Because aegis is on use you can assume most people won’t use it optimally. The passive part of RDM alone makes it better to suggest

[waxen orbit]

Though defensive trinkets don’t matter if you’re playing under a 22 this early in the season tbh. Didn’t matter last season under 25 either

[wild hemlock]

so about that buffed vers trink

[zealous willow]

Aegis in my opinion is strong only in premade cordinated 28+ key where u rly need a big deff button

[waxen orbit]

Nah

[topaz field]

thats exactly where rdm is better

[zealous willow]

if ur just casual warr doing 15-20

rdm is better dps

[topaz field]

because u can play around not having aegis

in coordinated groups

[waxen orbit]

Aegis lets you pull like a gorilla

[topaz field]

aegis is just friendly for bad gameplay

[chilly brook]

I mean

the truth is

[wild hemlock]

rdm it is baby

[zealous willow]

i cant pull like a gorilla with pugs , cus they dont dodge a shit trying to tunnel dps so what is the point of holing trash alone

[wild hemlock]

say no more

[topaz field]

and on tyra aegis is troll if u have rdm

[chilly brook]

you probably don't ever pull enough to make aegis that great

[topaz field]

like legit troll

u lose so much dmg

[zealous willow]

last night my dps died in kara 20 lower , cus they cant dodge a shit what is the point me staying alive ?

[chilly brook]

both are troll in 90% of uses

imho

[topaz field]

aegis was good in arden or sanguine

where u could pull omega

but its simply no longer the case

[waxen orbit]

I mean I do like 12k-15k ST with a 252 Aegis right now so I feel like if you lose THAT much damage without RDM you’re just misplaying

[chilly brook]

most people aren't using aegis well enough to really warrant it

[topaz field]

plus in season 2 tanks were weak

[mortal brook]

aegis as a group enabler is good stuff. rdm as a throughput is good stuff.

[shut summit]

You basically can't go wrong with buying either trinket really

[waxen orbit]

I think that’s the real answer

It’s preference

[topaz field]

your dps doesnt matter if u compare aegis with rdm

because aegis is doing zero dmg

[chilly brook]

You can't go wrong with buying OWS

[wild hemlock]

hehe

[zealous willow]

bro just get codex

[waxen orbit]

You can still do 20k overall with Aegis if you just know your rotation

[wild hemlock]

i already use codex and the other stam trinket

[zealous willow]

so ucan pull whole dungeon

[topaz field]

and still u give up on rdm free dmg

particularly in st encounter

[chilly brook]

Aegis is also just a better trinket in specific situations

but it seriously doesn't matter

[zealous willow]

stamina trinkets are new meta after IP scaling with max hp + ur tallent is healing more we are immortal more healing then dk just stack stamina max

[chilly brook]

your choice between the two won't brick your key

[shut summit]

[chilly brook]

nor will most people likely really pull that much for it to matter

[mortal brook]

[toxic pewter]

im gonna run rdm and aegis to settle this issue

[waxen orbit]

Yeah idk I think M+ trinkets really just boil down to what will keep you alive and what you prefer. To paraphrase a statement said earlier in the discord, “You could tank a 25 with ZM trinkets if you just play properly”

[strong forum]

the fact that you have both is an insult alone

[zealous willow]

2 stamina trinkets + shout and last stand my healing going insane no1 can kill me , dk's are asking me how im doing that much healing

[topaz field]

its the same for brew u wont run aegis if u get away with cache rdm

[toxic pewter]

Lol

I dont have both yet gonna buy rdm today

i am a known anti haster anyway

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

if you want to just have a trinket you don't have to think about you run RDM, if you want something that you have control over and is a bonkers on use run Aegis

it's that simple tbh

[cinder storm]

I swear I don't know where the npcs are

[mortal brook]

nomerator i am glad you are here i need your opinion on something

[waxen orbit]

So’leah’s/ OWS + Aegis / RDM

There

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern

[waxen orbit]

That’s your “meta” combo

God I hate that word

[lusty grotto]

mwahi your cat needs attention

[chilly brook]

bruh no

OWS perma slot

[toxic pewter]

is soleah's comparable to ows at all realitsicially

[chilly brook]

[chilly brook]

no

[cinder storm]

slurps coffee FOTM

[waxen orbit]

I’m sayin if you don’t got OWS run the So’leah’s mb

[lusty grotto]

i heard late is using ows + soleah

[waxen orbit]

But OWS laps So’leah’s indisputably

[waxen orbit]

Yea that’s a valid play too

[lusty grotto]

there he is!

[toxic pewter]

I got a 304 soleah cuz it was best choice from vault

[chilly brook]

I honestly don't think you ever replace OWS in your trinket slot if you get it tbh

[ionic fern]

[waxen orbit]

For sure

[strong forum]

you do on upper

[lusty grotto]

[wooden radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/690891013350228028.webp?size=100&quality=lossless

[ionic fern]

I might pick you up on your offer Lincoln. 👀

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

is that because out of combat for more than 15 seconds a lot in upper i take it (seems dumb to ask but just want to make sure thats the reason)

[wooden radish]

we're doing dungeons?????????

[ionic fern]

Wait what

[chilly brook]

probably yes

[toxic pewter]

Ok makes sense

[minor helm]

Now you gotta do dungeons and you gotta do them with codex on

[strong forum]

yes

[ionic fern]

😦

[wooden radish]

oh the other offer. yea, DM me. since its NSFW, need to keep it out of this channel

[ionic fern]

Yes, exactly. 😉

[minor helm]

[solid holly]

Whats your opinion on aehis+rdm for pushing higher keys? with mecha ring active im already sitting at 41% haste

[chilly brook]

👀

[ionic fern]

I don't have Codex..BUT i'm about to go turn in my 4 weekly m+ quest.

[waxen orbit]

Class discord mod e-sex

[minor helm]

[ionic fern]

🙏

[minor helm]

🙏

[waxen orbit]

[lusty grotto]

my lord...

[toxic pewter]

im actually considering doing this too

[chilly brook]

haste doesn't somehow become useless because of a magic 41% number

[ionic fern]

Real normal game.

Real normal.

[minor helm]

That guy this morning was right about codex for the wrong reason

[wooden radish]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/977323479886086154.webp?size=100&quality=lossless

[minor helm]

Mods say it’s bad so they can free parse

[real fossil]

After reading all of this it seems like most everyone agrees the priority is like:

OWS (if you don’t have one) > RDM= mythic quality higher ilv shield > aegis/weapon >> OWS (if u have one)

[minor helm]

SMH my head

[strong forum]

the haste affix actively works against the stat DR of gaining more haste, thus OWS doesnt lose as much actual value, however RDM + Aegis is one of the best trinket combinations you could have yes

[solid holly]

It doesnt but thats when its drd by 20%

[chilly brook]

doesn't matter

like Nom said

even if we didn't have the affix, OWS would still be just stupidly good

even with the diminishing returns

[lusty tiger]

So do I spend valor maxing out my junkyard shield or rock the 285 raid one until I get something better

[toxic pewter]

valor

[ionic fern]

Bruh

[lusty tiger]

Pain

[strong forum]

in the most brutal of ultra keys running cheat death + aegis might be a thing, or dropping aegis and you run rdm + cheat death, thats not something i could quantify on the spot, very specific scenarios

[toxic pewter]

upgrade shield imo

[lusty tiger]

Was waiting for 2k io

[chilly brook]

pretty sure OWS is well over 20% more secondary stats than any other stat trinket

[lusty tiger]

I’m case I got something better

[strong forum]

yes

[lusty tiger]

I figured):

[chilly brook]

so the DR literally doesn't even matter regardless

[toxic pewter]

i would get 2k rating asap and get shield to 298 personally

[strong forum]

the more haste you have, the better the haste affix becomes

even past 40%

[lusty tiger]

Yea finally befriending the m+ runners in my new guild

[chilly brook]

yea I was just thinking in a vacuum

[lusty tiger]

Clean af 3 chest +16 work felt amazing

[strong forum]

i was just saying it for the people in the back, who might not know

[lusty tiger]

Almost died 1v1 kujo

Must be the shield^^

[strong forum]

kujos debuff is brutal

untankable

[toxic pewter]

thats magic damage needs to be dispelled

[chilly brook]

complete side note,

[mortal brook]

Pumpkin Spice Season

[chilly brook]

blizz actually cucking us with this wrath prepatch date

[chilly brook]

very based and white girl pilled

[mortal brook]

ong frfr

[toxic pewter]

damn now i want a psl

[wooden radish]

this is harassment. delete pls @ionic fern

[toxic pewter]

pumpkin cream coldbrew is so good

[mortal brook]

bruh

[wooden radish]

where is the gavel steve

[mortal brook]

soon

[minor helm]

When the bear rolls a better gavel buff than the dps

[lusty grotto]

pumpkin spice is gross

on anything

jesus christ

[mortal brook]

un-based

let ppl enjoy things

[lusty grotto]

NO!

[toxic pewter]

with inflation these pumpkin drinks prob 10 dolla now

you guys think blizz will ever raise the monthly sub price

[coral marsh]

how do you pull the two mobs that do the blue aoe in upper kara?

[toxic pewter]

i put them near edge of stairs

[coral marsh]

why

[toxic pewter]

sort of makes a 'safe spot' if in right position

[mortal brook]

'inflation' corporate greed

[uneven mason]

Every mmo that raises sub costs loses way more than they gain

[toxic pewter]

yah true

[lusty grotto]

if theyre smart, they wont

if they want people back

[toxic pewter]

yah it would be a terrible business decision

[ocean yoke]

why raise the price when you can put a mount out for the same price

[lusty grotto]

for DF that is

[toxic pewter]

true lmao

[lusty grotto]

they could if they had the subs they did when SL started maybe

[toxic pewter]

they raised the price of the xpac, so that prob will net them a good chunk of change

[coral marsh]

when you think about it 13 bucks for a game per month was stupidly overpriced 10 years go

[lusty grotto]

a lot of stuff was overpriced decades ago, even without inflation adjustments

[south zealot]

sup gamers

[wild hemlock]

rdm vs aegis, you?

[south zealot]

work

zzzz

[lusty grotto]

[lusty tiger]

Their competition of many other mmo popping made them have to compete price wise too

[lusty grotto]

in a small amount, sure

but not as much as you'd think

i mean ffxiv is still 12 bucks for 1 char

and free up to the 2nd exp

so blizz likely wont go down, but it might be bad if they go up

[lusty tiger]

Well Xbox games were still $60 and if you grind one of those like we all grind wow I doubt it would last 4 months

Even ds and game boy games were like $40-60 so what else are you going to buy and play, silicon was expensive then

They have no reason to go up they just has 8 months making us all buy wow tokens to craft our dam legendaries

[lusty grotto]

not sure where this is going

[lusty tiger]

Gg blizz greed op

They’re always the weiners

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

[sand egret]

But that's just not how things works

making games is WAY more expensive now, baseline

[kindred crag]

How important is shield iLvl to survivability? Still sitting on a 268 shield and struggling a bit at keys higher than 20s. I’m not our usual tank, so I probably don’t play perfectly, but I’m curious how big of a factor that can play.

[sand egret]

block rating on shield is quite a factor

[uneven mason]

Most important

[oblique garnet]

I mean not really

Its artificially increased pricing nothing has actually changed

[sand egret]

That's not true though

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont agree blade

[lusty tiger]

Developers cost more but what about making a game is actually more expensive

[lusty grotto]

and remember im a software engi

[urban portal]

devs cost a lot more

than they used to

[lusty tiger]

As they should

[oblique garnet]

If anything developing has gotten cheaper

[sand egret]

The cost of development has dramatically increased due to the actual fidelity of the process.

[urban portal]

i think riot is paying what, 180K?

[lusty grotto]

not really devs havent really increased lately

[sand egret]

this is a huge reason the model is shifting

[oblique garnet]

Because they just cut people

[lusty tiger]

One man is much more powerful with all the engines and software packages we have today

[lusty grotto]

devs are not the biggest cost

[uneven mason]

I mean blizzard had to suddenly start paying for actual developers rather than interns

[urban portal]

EA is 187K minimum

[sand egret]

it's not even the cost of people (which also is going up)

[uneven mason]

Shareholders are

[urban portal]

god damn

[sand egret]

it's the cost of the infrastructure

[urban portal]

are canadians just cucked

or what

[minor helm]

It’s more expensive cause it’s harder to treat your team like dirt

[lusty tiger]

It’s very expensive to live in Austin I would imagine

[real fossil]

Game companies consistently underpay relative to the software market cuz it’s fun and cool

[oblique garnet]

Ofc cost of the people is going up when one person does 3 peoples job so naturally they want more pay

[real fossil]

It’s always a sacrifice in pay to do something considered cool

[uneven mason]

Gonna bet it's more expensive to live in most of canada

[lusty grotto]

THIS

[lusty tiger]

I have never looked into housing in Canada I wouldn’t know

[sand egret]

well, more so we're in a huge time of inflation, cost of living is going up, and there's a much more competitive market due to remote work being proliferated in the industry

[static aspen]

Quality protection channel discussion topics

[minor helm]

Idk I’m doing 3 peoples jobs now and my pay didn’t go up

[lusty grotto]

shop for a new job

[oblique garnet]

🙂

[lusty tiger]

I’m doing 3 peoples job and my pay went up

[urban portal]

canadians are getting paid less while spending more

its pretty cringe

[lusty grotto]

im doing 4 peoples job including some dev ops shit

[lusty tiger]

We are the real heroes

[lusty grotto]

im not even dev ops

im a software engi

[oblique garnet]

Actually working

[uneven mason]

Bringing in 6 figures in Ottawa, literally can't afford my house on just my pay.

[lusty grotto]

i got lucky

but honestly with remote work you dont need to buy in an expensive sector anyway

[urban portal]

for sure

[uneven mason]

Made half as much in Chicago, could afford the same sq ft with some cash left over

[lusty tiger]

Remote work is very good in many many ways

[rotund sluice]

maybe you could ask to not be paid in monopoly money?

[uneven mason]

I've brought it up to hr

[uneven mason]

I'm remote but required to go in once and a while so I couldn't go too far into the boonies

[lusty grotto]

i think the biggest problem with not buying in expensive areas is the net

oh yeah

thats true

[urban portal]

honestly i do find it cringe that SWEs are all in expensive areas

its the job that requires the least on site work

unless someone can correct me?

[lusty grotto]

well if you dont have reliable net

or some comcast garbage

you're kinda boned

[uneven mason]

The biggest issue tbh us that remote work has driven prices even out in the middle of nowhere up

[urban portal]

well yeah, but if you were in say, cincinati

vs LA

its going to be much cheaper

[lusty grotto]

oh for sure

[urban portal]

just dont be bumfk nowhere

be in an urban/suburban area

and nor rural

[lusty grotto]

wish the housing bubble would collapse but that doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon

[oblique garnet]

I have 1gb/s dl and i live practically in the middle of nowhere

[uneven mason]

Yeah 3gig net be nice

[oblique garnet]

Just dont live in america

[urban portal]

whats your nearest city tho

[lusty grotto]

lol

[urban portal]

in America you can be in a 500 people town

and nearest city be 150 miles away

yee haw

🔫

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

yeah but with ass internet

[oblique garnet]

We have good internet everywhere except actual wilderness in lapland

[lusty grotto]

its not even about the down/up its about the stupid dumb caps

[oblique garnet]

Caps?

[minor helm]

No cap actually

[dawn canyon]

I dont have the cat one on phone

[lusty grotto]

imagine teams video calling and handling huge ass file transfers for remote work

[dawn canyon]

[oblique garnet]

Wait hold up

You have a cap?

[lusty grotto]

i dont

[oblique garnet]

On your isp

[lusty grotto]

but comcast does

[oblique garnet]

Thats a thing???

[uneven mason]

Crapcast places artificial limits on your speeds in the USA

[lusty grotto]

wait whats the other one uhhh

[oblique garnet]

Actual 3rd world country lmao

[lusty grotto]

my buddy in AZ said he had to take a capped one too

[strong forum]

yea US is fucked with that, being limited on your regular internet

[minor helm]

Some ISPs don’t have a technical cap but they start to throttle you after while

[oblique garnet]

Im assuming your phone internet is also has a cap?

[lusty grotto]

comcast charges you over the cap, what are you talking about

[lusty tiger]

Not a reachable one lol

[lusty grotto]

we're not talking about a stop

[uneven mason]

Funny enough USA is one of the few places that has true unlimited plans

[lusty grotto]

"youve reached the cap you have no internet anymore", that's not it

[lusty tiger]

Shoutout to my dad for getting me unlimited data so I could cheat on my vocab tests in high school

[strong forum]

na but youre seriously throttled

[oblique garnet]

Doubt

[strong forum]

to like 64 kbit/s or some shit

atleast thats what ive heard

[minor helm]

Correct

[uneven mason]

It's like 130$ a month

[minor helm]

It’s piss low

[lusty grotto]

you mean for phones?

[strong forum]

aka what phone companies do after you reach cap

[oblique garnet]

[uneven mason]

Yeah

[minor helm]

ISPs don’t do it nearly as bad as phones do

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah that's true

[urban portal]

internet is less tbh

but yeah phones have it real bad

[oblique garnet]

I have unlimited 4g and calls/sms + internet at home all combined 44€/month

[strong forum]

back in the olden days you reached phone cap practically instantly in yermany

it was so fucked

fucking 100mb plans

[uneven mason]

Meanwhile the rest of the world is paying like 15$ for cell service

[strong forum]

500 mb plans

[oblique garnet]

15€ for phone subscription that is unlimited btw

[lusty tiger]

Gotta have a family phone plan then the price per person looks much more reasonable

[lusty grotto]

like we're not talking verizon fiber or some shit

[lusty tiger]

I think we pay for unlimited for the family account so everyone in it gets access

[lusty grotto]

which is usually available in upper end areas

[uneven mason]

Data is shared in those so not really

[strong forum]

meanwhile yermany is like "okay 60 bucks for internet, + 30-60bucks for phone LIMITED phone 30gb contract"

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[lusty tiger]

We have never hit cap idk how much Netflix we would all have to watch off Wi-Fi

[strong forum]

yermany ultra scams internet and phone contracts

[lusty grotto]

i definitely hit caps fast

[strong forum]

until 2 years ago i paid 60 bucks a month for 5gb phone cap

[lusty grotto]

which thank god i dont have em

[strong forum]

🙂

unlimited doesnt exist

[topaz field]

i live in germanys 6th largest city and work 3 km off the central station we legit have 3rd world internet

[strong forum]

🙂

[topaz field]

it comes from a suspicious box

[sick sentinel]

this is also true in canada

[topaz field]

that has a companys name on it

[lusty grotto]

whats in the box!??!?!

[sick sentinel]

phone MB unlimited doesn't exist

[dawn canyon]

German Internet is HORRIFIC

[topaz field]

that doesnt exist for 40 years

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/seven-brad-pitt-box-whats-in-the-box-gif-3386206

[dawn canyon]

2 Million people in this town

Not one of them has good wifi

[strong forum]

depending on which street you live, even in a major city, you can go from 500mbit/s to 6mbit/s

[lusty tiger]

Germany is the poster child for a phenomenal member of the eu too bad 95% of the other countries aren’t

[strong forum]

with as far as a single street

[sick sentinel]

i have 1/2 gig internet

good enough

[strong forum]

"das internet ist neuland"

famous quote

[sick sentinel]

caps out around 1/2gig a second, not quite

i wish but

[dawn canyon]

Ich hasse Dobrint

[topaz field]

we also buy gas from russia because it seems to be intelligent

[oblique garnet]

This is just phone

[dawn canyon]

Roamingjakso

[oblique garnet]

I cant be bothered to check how much im actually using on home network

[lusty grotto]

double take

youre roaming jacking off?!

oh, sorry that's not it

[lusty tiger]

24/7 hentai into your google glasses?

[urban portal]

reopening coal plants

[toxic pewter]

This amount I used since may 1st 2014

[urban portal]

[topaz field]

codex did an amaizing 2.8 % of my overall u really have to change the pin

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[topaz field]

just finished testing

[strong forum]

Big worth, thx

[oblique garnet]

Discord/safari using most on phone

[lusty tiger]

A safari for the 2d waifus

[lusty grotto]

too many iphones here

[lusty tiger]

I have switched back and forth each phone

[strong forum]

DW you're safe from iPhones with me. We use chrome here

[lusty tiger]

This time around, iPhone happened to be the best available piece of hardware

[oblique garnet]

Got first iphone from work and just been using older ones ever since

[oblique garnet]

Best quality for 200-300€ phones

[lusty grotto]

this is what i have to deal with

[oblique garnet]

And easily replacable parts

[strong forum]

I just stuck with the note series

[lusty tiger]

Gigacrinj

[drifting fable]

iphone just very user friendly and cba to mess with half the shit on my phone

[strong forum]

I wish I could go back to note 4 tho

Best looking phone ever

[lusty tiger]

I mean on Android I always rooted and tried to customize a bit

[lusty grotto]

i have a pixel 5

[minor helm]

You can set chrome as your search engine on iPhones

[urban portal]

have an android for only hentai games

[lusty grotto]

before that a pixel 2 xl

[oblique garnet]

All androids in the low end price range are just filled with so much useless bloatware

[minor helm]

First thing I did when I got mine

[strong forum]

I only get flagship phones cuz I'm vain like that

[rotund sluice]

is there an issue doing spiders for count in high keys for lower khara? I did a route last week where we essentially cleared out all the spiders for count then invis'd through maiden hallway and pulled double DL into maiden room to finish dungeon and seemed pretty smooth

[urban portal]

androids you have to full wipe and install custom rom to just use it

[lusty tiger]

My dating sim catalogues

[strong forum]

So I'm safe from that

[lusty tiger]

Pretty much

[minor helm]

Pixel was really nice for not having all the Samsung garbage in it

[lusty grotto]

i dont cause pixel

[lusty tiger]

One plus was pretty good

[oblique garnet]

If it works for you go for it

[uneven mason]

Google also updates their own phones for 5 years vs other brands 2

[urban portal]

pixel is nice, my pixel 2 got slow

but i got a work phone

scammed a 13 pro

[lusty tiger]

So I use arch btw on my 2014 MacBook Air and that is the only reason it still works

[rotund sluice]

5 year thing is newer. older pixels only got 3 years of dedicated updates

[lusty grotto]

my 2014 MBA still lives actually

[lusty tiger]

Best model best keyboard

[uneven mason]

They see an opportunity to reduce carbon tax

[lusty tiger]

Gamed on it, dropped it, still perfect condition

[lusty grotto]

its the only apple thing i have outside of old ipods

[oblique garnet]

Im too cheap to buy flagship phones i hate spending money on something that i use for only few things

[south zealot]

any codex gamers?

[drifting fable]

old ipods are a nostalgia hit

kinda miss em

[lusty grotto]

i miss em but at the same time i dont lol

[lusty tiger]

Yeah no headphones to plug into them anymore

[lusty grotto]

spotify too convenient

[drifting fable]

oh true. could never go back to pre spotify tbh

[lusty grotto]

i still have a huge music library in mp3s and flacs though

[lusty tiger]

Let me torrent all this music, then move it to iTunes, then load it onto my iPod

No thanks done w that

[drifting fable]

haha those were the days

[uneven mason]

Itunes needed to die

[lusty tiger]

iTunes has a good business going where else do you get a song for $0.99

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[oblique garnet]

Torrenting is making a comeback with all these companies ruining their own platforms by adding ads for paying customers (disney+, netflix)

[lusty tiger]

I haven’t seen a Netflix ad yet

[drifting fable]

hey it was a good deal when i listened to the same 6 albums on repeat when i was younger

[uneven mason]

My local half-price books when I buy entire CDs for 99c

[lusty tiger]

Exactly

[oblique garnet]

It hasnt been implemented yet but it will

Also i was watching tv couple of days ago and in the middle of a movie there just comes huge popup add for hbo in the middle of the screen not even during commercial break

[uneven mason]

Literally why I cut my Hulu sub

[lusty tiger]

I have no ads on Hulu too

[uneven mason]

And why Netflix will be gone as soon as the ads show up

[lusty tiger]

I think a lot of the users of this media aren’t savvy enough to torrent

Or setup a display after they’ve torrented

[oblique garnet]

It used to be really common in finland

[uneven mason]

If I wanted to pay for a service to force me to watch ads I'd still pay for cable tv

[oblique garnet]

Basically every teen knew how

[lusty tiger]

Teen

Every 30y/o learned light css for MySpace but they’re not web devs now

[oblique garnet]

Well 11 and above really

Even most 40 year old used torrenting services

[drifting fable]

my dad did all the time

[uneven mason]

mIRC file shares

[lusty tiger]

Y’all forget the older generation is much larger then genz

[drifting fable]

my dad would just burn that shit right off the netflix mail DVD

[lusty tiger]

Genz roughly late 90s

[oblique garnet]

Torrenting basically died here after netflix etc became popular

[drifting fable]

we had a whole drive of pirated shit

[uneven mason]

It's the younger kids who don't know how to pirate

[oblique garnet]

Yeah now they dont know

Younger kids only know how to use phones

[lusty grotto]

xdcc huh

[undone verge]

they doing legion m+ this week?

[drifting fable]

always on they phones

smh

[uneven mason]

The people who started that stuff are going for 50

[lusty grotto]

im getting close to 40 so

i fit right in

xD

[uneven mason]

Right

[lusty grotto]

but yeah i used dcc so much

[uneven mason]

Let's be boomers together

[drifting fable]

prot really is the boomer spec 👴

[lusty tiger]

Oh geebus

U arthritic fucks

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sick sentinel]

wow is up for me

i think

[lusty tiger]

Yogi quick check my vault

[lusty grotto]

mine too

[drifting fable]

dont check mine and just say ows is in there anyways

[sick sentinel]

its gunna be full of int gear

this one ownt, if there is one for warrior

[strong forum]

Full of wod gear

Ilvl 51

[drifting fable]

[sick sentinel]

warrior is zero reward lol

[lusty tiger]

Poor guy

[wild hemlock]

i heard retail is up for NA

[sick sentinel]

mage we are about to find out

304 somethin

[inner sable]

good shield?

[lusty tiger]

Aww

A moment of silence for this gamer

[toxic pewter]

still worth taking prob

[lusty tiger]

Ye

[drifting fable]

stats are good for it being 304. other shields are better but its still good

[inner sable]

i main fury, and accidently opened up as prot

figured id take it if it was worth

[drifting fable]

been there

[toxic pewter]

can rdm drop for arms

no right

[drifting fable]

no

[wild hemlock]

no

[toxic pewter]

Ok ty

[sick sentinel]

looks like i dont quit

[raven kettle]

got 285 old warriors soul, question is, do i get this 285 and use the coin for something different? or do i get a 304 piece this week and use the coins for an old warriors soul?

from my vault i mean

also i guess the vendors still arent up

[drifting fable]

personally id take the OWS from the vault since you can upgrade it, then you could potentially get a wep/shield with your other dinar. depends on what the 304s are too i suppose

[raven kettle]

they are all pretty garbo

gloves would be the only thing id get

[drifting fable]

maybe you cant see the vendors until you finish the 1st quest

would be my assumption

[raven kettle]

what level do the dinars give you? 304?

[drifting fable]

nope

normal raid

[raven kettle]

oh yeah im taking the vault trink

[strong forum]

Dinar items are 278/285 but you can upgrade them with the shards

That's the whole point

[real fossil]

I’d take the lower ilv OWS and get another trinket with your get-out-of-RNG free coin if you didn’t get one from raid this past week

[mossy bridge]

any big dick prot wanna help me

[drifting fable]

sorry mines too small unfortunately

[distant crystal]

opening my 1 key box as prot

plz shield plz no trinket

[lusty tiger]

Ur on wack

[distant crystal]

[drifting fable]

kekw

master of the trash

[real fossil]

Getting the permanent trash master title is BiS

[lusty tiger]

Ahhhhh

[lusty tiger]

Sorry frend

[sick sentinel]

this thing looks really interesting to me

[lusty grotto]

oof

[lusty tiger]

Looks like a frost trinket

[chilly brook]

intellect?