protection

[south zealot]

or the other guardian trinket

[wary plume]

not familiar with acronym

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter if u need survivability cause it just happens when u take damage

[crystal iris]

you are so fkn lost my dude

[minor helm]

Reactive defense matrix

[crystal iris]

oh nice

[jagged pier]

if u really want ST damage go farm faulty counter measure when legion tw comes around

[wary plume]

ty

[minor helm]

Tank trinket from guardian sod

[crystal iris]

fk no not farming that haha

[jagged pier]

nah dude looks at everything else isnt the correct way to evaluate why the trinket is 5%, u should just take it at face value

[south zealot]

???

you want a dps trinket

does opc give you dps

yes

we offered rdm and you said no

what else do u want

use scars

278 phial

other guardian trinket

[crystal iris]

I ask for a good DPS trinket you suggest a trinket from last tier with lower ilvl that gives you some ok crit and gimps your strength lol. oh and a phial perfect hahaha

[minor helm]

Opc and phial aren’t trinkets to use anymore

[crystal iris]

of all the raid and M+ trinkets from current content

[topaz field]

@crystal iris read patchntoes

[misty coyote]

Boys, if you want damage. Use Dreadfire from Daddy Denathrius. Ez

[dusk jay]

maybe he wants a trinket like sire st 50k damage

[uneven mason]

So it's an amazing trinket in any universe where math doesn't exist

[topaz field]

then u will find out we are in season 4

[south zealot]

im offering trinkers you might have

trinkets

[jagged pier]

well thats what hes trying to say

[lime urchin]

It’s a spicy day in Skyhold today

[uneven mason]

👍

[crystal iris]

what does that have to do with it

[topaz field]

its a bit smell of fotm in here

[crystal iris]

the whole fun of new content is gearing up

[topaz field]

@crystal iris we are obviously talking about 304 rdm

[south zealot]

so go get every trinket

[sick sentinel]

you must be new here

[crystal iris]

I didnt realize it did so much dps even on ST

thought for purely parsing purposes cache or the other guardian trink or even sigil would be better

[uneven mason]

You should've seen it at the start of BFA

[south zealot]

youre so lost dude

./spit

[crystal iris]

youre spare parts bud

[cobalt seal]

@crystal iris stop the attitude

either take what people are trying to help

or just run sims

[uneven mason]

Like ghost pepper burrito for breakfast

[jagged pier]

we have nothing that can proc cache enough

[cobalt seal]

and make your own decisions

[sick sentinel]

oh the irony lol

[jagged pier]

which is why was didnt go for it last season

[cobalt seal]

oh the irony

[jagged pier]

its only good on brew and bear because they can just proc the bleed with everything

[cobalt seal]

go back to your rabithole

[sick sentinel]

need i say more chat?

[proven nova]

So bad that he is one of the top parses and top key running warriors... ya totally terrible gameplay right bro.... come on man thats just pointless name calling, unless you show me logs from a player who does your "perfect warrior gameplay" running the trinket to show me how bad its performance is, then im not buying it because i have plenty of parses of people who use it where it does great and you keep claiming their bad but they're timing guys and parsing fine

[crystal iris]

Crom he pissed me off from earlier and now hes just saying nonsense

[lofty widget]

top parses?

[sick sentinel]

you wanna talk about attitude

[lofty widget]

in m+?

[cobalt seal]

it's not nonsense

those trinkets are okay dmg

[sick sentinel]

and then way youve talked to me in past

im sorry

[cobalt seal]

I'm talking to you?

then..

[crystal iris]

recommending Phial for a dps trinket for this tier?

[sick sentinel]

no

[cobalt seal]

mute me again

[fallen belfry]

It doesn't Sim too bad on my war. I would try it if I high ilvl one dropped for me.

[crystal iris]

saying id better just get all the trinkets?

[cobalt seal]

it still does dmg

[south zealot]

it increases your dps

[cobalt seal]

you refused RDM

[south zealot]

does it not

[cobalt seal]

when RDM is good dmg

[crystal iris]

yes it techinally DOES damage hahahaha

[south zealot]

theres no defensive capabilities

[jagged pier]

oh somone doesnt understand how logs shows dungeons

[south zealot]

which is what you asked for

[lofty widget]

[proven nova]

im not going to bother trying to explain or share this stuff with people who just want to troll, its laughable that this is supposed to be a forum for sharing information and actually learning about the class and mechanics

[sick sentinel]

too bad

deal with it

[lofty widget]

wait how much dps did codex do in that iron docks?

[crystal iris]

no i didnt ask for a trinket that DOES damage lol I asked for our highest damaging trinkets for parsing in normal raid

or easy content

[cobalt seal]

SIM

ez answer

[south zealot]

if youre asking about raid you can sim it

[jagged pier]

dude we looked at the log, and i explained why its high on his damage, there was also a tattman log, who plays the classes better and get less % out of the trinket

[south zealot]

you can literally mathematically find the best dps trinket for ur character

[jagged pier]

and u still havent given a log with 7% damage

as u claim

it

does

[sick sentinel]

i cant mute people responding to your msgs calling me shit, so might as well not block you

you wanna block me go ahead

[alpine shard]

this guy is kinda funny tbh

[cobalt seal]

I only have bear emotes stealers blocked sorry

[coral marsh]

where do you los the first living trash packs

last one has a nice pillar

[proven nova]

LOL you mean the strength loss reducing his armor to the point of taking enough damage for the trinket to work??? your kidding right

[alpine shard]

the tunnel has los spots on the sides

[cinder storm]

Why people defend or have argument on things when they only do 15s is beyond me

[south zealot]

in the tunnel

[fallen belfry]

It's funny how toxic prot war discord is compared to prot pally. Must be all the rage...

[crystal iris]

here we go lol

[jagged pier]

thats 1 of the multuple factors but okay

[south zealot]

ikr

[strong forum]

And youre the one refusing to be educated, codex is only good for vdh to run. The ehp argument and "defensive" gain of codex is a farce

People literally built a tool because people kept refusing to accept data

[wintry nymph]

yogi and cromation going back at it again 😂

th eternal rivals

[proven nova]

defense gains i agree are not stellar, scale or some other defensive trinket is obviously better

[strong forum]

Offensively codex loses to any Str trinket

[south zealot]

if its bad defensively

[crystal iris]

Love the mentality of "people play like shit in lower keys" combined with "well why are you even trying in 15s"

[strong forum]

You lose 7% mainstat

[south zealot]

and lackluster at best offensively

why use if

[strong forum]

And by losing 7% mainstat you lose 7% overall

[proven nova]

but damage wise, my original statement was that your pin is wrong - "In all cases its a DPS and HPS loss to use the trinket even in +28 keys or higher" is NOT an accurate statement

you go and share evidence as to WHY the trinket was good damage

[south zealot]

trying in 15s is fine

[cobalt seal]

excuse me?

[proven nova]

but then you state "IN ALL CASES"

[south zealot]

encouraged

[cobalt seal]

why is VDH a talk

[proven nova]

your pin is inaccurate

[cobalt seal]

when RDM exists

[proven nova]

that was what i said, and you proved me right

[cobalt seal]

[strong forum]

My pin is entirely accurate

[south zealot]

whats inaccurate

[strong forum]

It's a dmg loss

[sick sentinel]

God damn

[chrome falcon]

ok sure in the case that you unequip all your gear and back tank every mob

[topaz field]

the vdhs i get to play with should better run triple cheat death

[sick sentinel]

Codex on prot xd

[chrome falcon]

codex will do good dps

are you happy now

[wintry nymph]

ive seen some stubborn ppl on here but dayum 😂

[sick sentinel]

U definitely dont absorb all the damage u definitely aint a plate class

[proven nova]

and thats the sort of black and white lazy theory crafting without looking at any data that gets this forum no where.... im sorry for the rest of ya

people look to your pins like they're law

[jagged pier]

what

[alpine shard]

[lofty widget]

oh boy

[proven nova]

and when they're just wrong or misleading

you hurt the whole forum

[sick sentinel]

Nono just think about it

[alpine shard]

this guy is actually so far up his own ass

[wintry nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-heh-interesting-confused-confusion-gif-22475884

[wintry nymph]

[south zealot]

damage loss bc you lose strength

[cinder storm]

Press revenge faster

[crystal iris]

they break down the log -> you tell them why do this, just look at my 7%

[cobalt seal]

find logs that prove your points

or stfu

[sick sentinel]

Spec that MITIGATES all the dmg cannot make use of that trinket

[cobalt seal]

nome has logs to prove

[dawn canyon]

i love content tuesdays

[cobalt seal]

do you?

[sick sentinel]

Vdh gets oneshot

[proven nova]

scrolll more they're posted

[sick sentinel]

From 2 adds

[wintry nymph]

good stuff in here huh

[cobalt seal]

find good logs

to prove your point

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah demon spikes boohhooo armor

[cobalt seal]

those dont prove shit

[proven nova]

do your own homework if they dont meet your criteria, show me logs of the trinket not working

[jagged pier]

7% strength is around 7% overall damage u get that plus lets say haste from ows what allows u to keep banner up longer and have even more stregnth etc and increase your overall even more. so over 7% overall damage
or u can have codex which is at best from what you've shown us 5% damage

[cobalt seal]

[jagged pier]

is that what your saying?

[topaz field]

gattsu that kind of tank whos running stamina flask

[jagged pier]

cause still seems like a dps lose to me

[south zealot]

guys hust remember hse whatever trinket u want we wont judge you

[strong forum]

You literally proved your own point tho, it didn't do 7% overall

[proven nova]

wait so if i show you a parse with a codex over 7% then you will rescind your statments?

[cinder storm]

I though codex was good in S3, people here explained why it was bad, I tested it myself and found out they were right. No need to theorycraft when others did the work

[cobalt seal]

no

[sick sentinel]

The nine trinket bussin and ows for more banner uptime

[cobalt seal]

because that's a net neutral trinket lol

any other str trinket

would win

[jagged pier]

no because u need to work out hw much extra damage ows and banner uptime will give read the statement please

[cobalt seal]

[misty coyote]

I believe it has to be a parse, with good block uptime and rage spent properly

[south zealot]

a parse with someone actually functioning properly (good sb and banner uptime)

[jagged pier]

and if u can link a log where its 7% of overall WITH GOOD PLAY

[sick sentinel]

Tormentwd rack fragment does 6 to 7 % in m+ while providing str

[crystal iris]

tbf the log he posted was fine. +26 fort week, tank did 12k overall, trinket did 5% of his damage. Nothing really all that wrong with his playstyle

[jagged pier]

then maybe ill agree its our worst dps trinket

[sick sentinel]

(I have it sadly)

[south zealot]

yes but the strength would have been better

[proven nova]

thank you, but hey no one wants to admit they could be wrong

[topaz field]

i think all of u guys are ass at math

[alpine shard]

yeah and then you take into account the strength loss and you have a -2% compared to just the trength from another trinket

[topaz field]

big ass

[proven nova]

thats fine, im done trying to lead ya guys to water

[topaz field]

if u dont understand that 7-7 is zero

[strong forum]

Which is still 2% less than it needs to do to beat any Str trinket

[slim zinc]

Yeah, clearly you don't 😉

[crystal iris]

Maybe, maybe it would have been a bit better, noticably so? maybe not

[jagged pier]

except the banner uptime and the wasted rage and the over use of outburst on TC

[minor helm]

We never get arguments these long in dps channels cause Archi would have banned this guy 15 minutes ago

[sick sentinel]

I dont understand his point

[minor helm]

[crystal iris]

youre using those arguments to say his overall might be low which it wasnt tho

[proven nova]

because im not wrong, im not making some crazy statement like its the BEST trinket

[south zealot]

gattsu

[lofty widget]

so in that 26 he sent codex did 620 dps, my phial at 272 does 500 dps currently.

[alpine shard]

you are wrong tho

[proven nova]

im stating that the trinket is NOT bad in ALL situations and the parses and logs that exist with people using it show that

[jagged pier]

no i never said his overall would be low i said thats why codex is higher on his overall

[south zealot]

prove the trinket is 7.1% or more dps

[crystal iris]

everyone uses outburst on TC every now and then especially with a WW in group

[cinder storm]

It's not even good my dude

[proven nova]

you can try and pick those logs apart for excuses, but the trinkets performance isnt horrible

[jagged pier]

i never said anything about the guys overall in general being low

[sick sentinel]

For kiting with cracklicg thunder i guess

90% slow

[lofty widget]

nah

[crystal iris]

nah

[lofty widget]

its 50 %

[jagged pier]

so its gone from its great it, to it isnt horrible now 🤔

[slim zinc]

5% for a stamina trinket is -2% damage without even including the effect of another trinket

[alpine shard]

this guy has to be a troll

just here to make us waste time

nobody is this dense

[chrome falcon]

^

[slim zinc]

Look if you want to clown go to a circus

[crystal iris]

like lets say it was my highest ilvl trinket id probably run it until I got soemthing better ya

[minor helm]

When do we get the full it’s not horrible set?

[chrome falcon]

I wish we could just start banning people who are obviously arguing in bad faith

[slim zinc]

You're just embarrassing yoursely

[minor helm]

I’m not looking for bis anymore

[alpine shard]

unfortunately it looks like he was succesful

[dusk jay]

i dont know why you guys are so hellbent on trying to teach brickwalls that codex isn't a good trinket. This gattsu guy clearly won't budge, you're just wasting your time with people like him

[topaz field]

i just imagine how fucking awful life has to be if u cannot count to 10

[chrome falcon]

So we can actually talk about relevant stuff and not the same conversation for literally the 50th time

[jagged pier]

yes but it should be around 1/4 his is 1/3 of his outbursts go to tc

[proven nova]

where did i say great?

[cobalt seal]

you lost 2% dmg

[dawn canyon]

hey guise where unity

[minor helm]

It’s fun to argue

[cobalt seal]

how is that a good trinket

holy shit

[chrome falcon]

i mean at least we're helping someone in that situation

It's a valid question

[cinder storm]

These are the people that play wow with us, the people who do the other spectrum of the xontent

[cobalt seal]

Lets make a trinket: You lose 2% dmg

[slim zinc]

Should just time anyone saying codex and good in the same sentence

[dawn canyon]

(its a dps channel meme)

[cobalt seal]

and see if you equip it

[cinder storm]

They exist amongus

[dawn canyon]

[sick sentinel]

i wont lie

[chrome falcon]

dps channels

[crystal iris]

ok hold up so what im wondering is this. If it applies after IP and all the mitigation, how did it even do 5% of this guys damage?? Should be lower theoretically no?

[sick sentinel]

Fair enough never did it cause i never had to kite i can just facetank pretty much everything

[minor helm]

Get timed out yourself

[sick sentinel]

if i got codex on my pwar i'd equip it and valor the fuck out of it

[minor helm]

[sick sentinel]

just to mald out skyhold

[slim zinc]

Yes please

[dawn canyon]

compared to this arm is heaven

[vale epoch]

[dusk jay]

bad play thats why

[crystal iris]

not even arguing if its good or bad this guy played pretty decently and got good value from the trinket

[crystal iris]

its not that bad

[cobalt seal]

how you know that?

[lament shell]

We get dh talent tree today?

[wintry nymph]

here

[chrome falcon]

we used to be the good channel

[cobalt seal]

monk

[crystal iris]

because we looked at the logs LOL

[proven nova]

And also, for no other reason than because I know you'll all have an stroke when i say this, I dont think raw stamina is even that bad of a thing to have.

[cobalt seal]

did you?

[chrome falcon]

[dawn canyon]

and then i pulled up

[misty coyote]

On another note: what are we saying is good dam overall nowadays? For prot specifically obv

[cobalt seal]

or just saw the dmg?

he did

instead of actually checking the gameplay of pwar?

[chrome falcon]

18k+ details, 20k has been achieved

[lofty widget]

depends on dungeon, anything from 15-25k tbh

[crystal iris]

we literally talked about his banner uptime, his outbuest usage his blocked hits his damage and damage taken

[south zealot]

raw stamina is less defensive value then strength

[cinder storm]

Anything over 13k

[jagged pier]

literally a statment saying theres nothing close. i.e its great

[lofty widget]

i did 23k in JY the other day

[minor helm]

Why doesn’t gattsu post his own logs if codex is so good?

[chrome falcon]

but it's super key dependent

[chrome falcon]

upper kara your dps is gonna be way lower than lower

workshop your dps is way lower than junk

[misty coyote]

Yee

[proven nova]

except for when you die because it wasnt...

[jagged pier]

also btw this is based of points not dps ranking just so u know

[misty coyote]

I meant without outliers l- my bad

[cobalt seal]

????????????????????????????????

[sick sentinel]

Seismic still best for raw dps?

[cobalt seal]

are you getting 1-shot on perfect play

if not stamina is prob bad on a trinket

[wintry nymph]

he actually doesn't react to it, means i proved him wrong >:)

[crystal iris]

probably key dependant

[south zealot]

??

[proven nova]

I wish i had taken the picture in portrait mode on an iphone because I feel like you'd be entirely focused on that still

[sick sentinel]

Should be the best in aoe

[strong forum]

Assuming you heavily play around it and in the correct key, sure

[sick sentinel]

Ye

[strong forum]

But it's not easy for seismic to beat necro+reprisal

Need to abuse the fuck out of it

[sick sentinel]

sanguine in streets is a total joke

literal non affix

[crystal iris]

I mean look I do like 20s-22s but id be perfectly happy doing a 26 ID with 12k DPS (on logs probably higher in details) with that trinket

and I think most ppl in here would aggree

[sick sentinel]

had to run that key 2 or 3 times last week and aside from that one prot warrior, didnt seem like any of the tanks had major issues with it

[strong forum]

But that's not the point duru

[crystal iris]

maybe its not ideal but its FINE

[proven nova]

but it is

[strong forum]

The point is he's actively lowering his dps

But playing codex

[south zealot]

wait logs on warcraft logs are lower than details

[strong forum]

"just because it worked" doesn't mean he couldn't do better

[south zealot]

am i that dumb lmaoo

[crystal iris]

logs usually calculate total time, details is combat

[slim zinc]

In what world is losing armor, IP size, and 2% damage fine

[south zealot]

ohhhh

[crystal iris]

unless your details is set to total time

[slim zinc]

Like we've done this math so many times for tanks actually taking damage

[crystal iris]

is str actually better defensively?

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

yes

[slim zinc]

And if a BDK is a clown for equipping codex

[crystal iris]

how so? not questioninnng it genuinly curious

[south zealot]

armor

[strong forum]

Prot is BY FAR the worst tank to use codex

[jagged pier]

yes

[slim zinc]

Then a pwar doing is actively telling his group he doesn't think they deserve his effort

[sick sentinel]

offensively too, you also get more damage for equipping str agi int items

go figure

[crystal iris]

this is why im surprised by that log it did quite a bit of damage for him

[cobalt seal]

it didn't

[strong forum]

But it literally didn't?

5% is not good dmg

[alpine shard]

the effect did 5% of his damage

[sick sentinel]

main stat is the main way of increasing your damage, go figure

[alpine shard]

and then you consider that he has no str

it's a dps loss

[sick sentinel]

who could have ever thought that

[crystal iris]

im surprised it even did that much tbh

[strong forum]

That's cuz throw

[crystal iris]

ohh through armor

[strong forum]

Which is fixed now

ID is a cherry picked dungeon

[alpine shard]

first you lose 7% of your damage, then you gain 5%, the end result is a dps loss

[crystal iris]

also banner uptime in ID is probably pretty rough

[strong forum]

Eh

[slim zinc]

Not really

[strong forum]

Not rly

[crystal iris]

you get the walking phase with the stars

[lofty widget]

super easy tog et 100 % in ID

[strong forum]

Well that part just doesn't matter to have banner up

[crystal iris]

then waiting for the cannonfire between pulls

[crystal iris]

I mean in logs

[south zealot]

banner uptime is for noobs

[sick sentinel]

is upper kara a good time or nah?

[south zealot]

go venthyr prot

[crystal iris]

We were looking at the uptime on log

[south zealot]

[sick sentinel]

i only did lower once on warrior to first boss and we killed it

[cobalt seal]

this uptime?

[strong forum]

Gotta evaluate the data properly first before judgments can be made

And yeah this doesn't look correct

[sick sentinel]

then i died to trash a bunch and it was a slow key anyway

[strong forum]

He has 3 massive drops

[jagged pier]

nah nome cause i did that and apprently that doesnt matter

[strong forum]

When it should only be 1

[crystal iris]

and the log will show low uptime in ID because of the walking with stars, waiting between pulls for the cannonfire, the gauntlet is a bit slow with low mob counts

and the last boss forget it

[south zealot]

who wants to roast my logs

[strong forum]

Gauntlet you can keep up Banner 100% of the time

[sick sentinel]

does anybody here play a mage? im just curious

[jagged pier]

what i keep banner between 3rd and lass boss

and the guanlet u can have banner up 100% of the time

[sick sentinel]

my rack fragment is doing more

[crystal iris]

thats... impressive

[jagged pier]

he literally lost a load of armour during the throw mobs

[lament shell]

Sup NA how is vault?

[slim zinc]

I don't know why we keep having these discussions in every discord when it's mathematically proven that codex isn't worth on a single tank

[lament shell]

Na Hallo

[sick sentinel]

any spec of mage but arcane is preferable, or like, frost, im very confused about how to play frost mage

[strong forum]

You keep banner from 2nd boss all the way to last boss

[jagged pier]

hence codex hit for a lot of damage

[jagged pier]

this

[lament shell]

NA vault?

[sick sentinel]

its good on vdh tho no?

[crystal iris]

ya gauntlet its possible but probably easiest place to drop it accidentally

[south zealot]

i’m not home cant check vault

[minor helm]

Game down for another 7 hours at least

[crystal iris]

and Ive found last boss rough

[valid finch]

What is the best way to maintain uptime on banner?

[dusk jay]

i see 5, I can understand a couple massive drops in ID, but not 60%, after first boss if you're just running with the ogres, running between cannon fire/someone dies during cannon fire, and then if you stealth past at the end.

[crystal iris]

with the throwback I usually lose it

[strong forum]

Last boss is tough, but not impossible

[lament shell]

Wth feelsbad

[slim zinc]

Hi, I'm the icy veins writer for vdh and no 😄

[south zealot]

im gonna get a 24 jy in vault copium

[cobalt seal]

no

[south zealot]

spend rage, kite dying packs to new packs

[sick sentinel]

fair

[crystal iris]

maybe Ill save ravager and drop it on the boss before the knockback

[lament shell]

Bruh i left dh discord 5 times

[south zealot]

to optimize combat uptime for rage gen

[slim zinc]

It's okay for vdh

But not good

[jagged pier]

pressing your buttons correctly

[strong forum]

Vdh discord is content

[sick sentinel]

i hope to god i get a 304 automagical trinket for my mage

havent seen one in a long time and honestly im glad

dont like having vdh as the tnak

[crystal iris]

yogi wth are you saying mate

[lament shell]

Yo btw dh tonight ?

Or monk

[sick sentinel]

if i get a 304 weapon or trinket good enough imma say peace out and leave for mage discord

[cobalt seal]

what?

[lament shell]

You guys know max msged you?

[sick sentinel]

what the fuck bro

why do this to us

[cobalt seal]

I already answered you lol

Monk

...

[lament shell]

How do you know

[cobalt seal]

magic

[pallid musk]

You can use Brooming voice and Last strand to extrend rage generate in downtime but most you want leap, reprisals charge / intervene to get rage back to next pack

[dawn canyon]

🧹 brooming voice

[cobalt seal]

anyone on dh discord

knows vdh is the last

[south zealot]

best served cold pog

[pallid musk]

If there long walk to next pack

[lament shell]

Ye they can take their time with vdh

[cobalt seal]

Dev was last week gathering info

no way it's ready

[lament shell]

Vdh tries to be a bdk

Without deathstrike

[cobalt seal]

especially with datamined stuff

on monk

it's 100% monk

[cobalt seal]

?

[sick sentinel]

lets be real for a minute

im a fucking clown

[cobalt seal]

if you guys actually knew what you are talking about it would be great

[south zealot]

i hope windwalker sucks

[sick sentinel]

thats pretty much everything i have to say on it

[south zealot]

cant have 3 mains

[sick sentinel]

and if you just read the shit i type here

[crystal iris]

we try not to

[sick sentinel]

its blatantly obvious to anyone with more than 3 braincells

[lament shell]

Guy rember to open vault as tank

For tank trinkets bye

Send pic

[strong forum]

Gotta get my codex

[topaz field]

i hope to get codex

plz

[waxen frigate]

I mean it’s sod week

Aegis pog

[sick sentinel]

i'd probably get through a door beating it down brute force before discover its unlocked or there is a key near by or open window

[lament shell]

Ye get matrixo and ows and all other stuff

[strong forum]

I only got 278 codex at the end on s3 so I lost out on so much dmg bro...

[waxen frigate]

And next week riftshard 😉

[topaz field]

codex plus the stamina PF trinket

[sick sentinel]

this is just the type of person i am,

[crystal iris]

I cant I want the KT weapon

[lament shell]

I didnt get jailer weapon for whole s3

[crystal iris]

or any 304

[crystal iris]

same

[lament shell]

Ye still got title without

[jagged pier]

i vendored mine 2 weeks in guess i did the same

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mary-stuart-saoirse-ronan-point-pointing-pointing-gun-gif-12198311

[strong forum]

I'm keeping it for memes just to throw up everytime I look into my bags

[pallid musk]

I hope I get any trinket with str from GV

[crystal iris]

I miss my favorite tank trinket, the pulsating stoneheart

[sick sentinel]

shadowlands was the culimination of world record for most and shittiest trinkets IMHO

[pallid musk]

Mechagons rings I got it from last week

[lament shell]

Like the mechagon trinket for armor?

[topaz field]

funny i actually looted it yesterday and my group was like NICE gz and i was like ye fuck you guys

[crystal iris]

or the armor one from SD xD

[sick sentinel]

there was some real stinker trinkets

[strong forum]

I'm getting rdm in vault

[waxen frigate]

Giga bis

[lament shell]

Youll get 3x boots

[waxen frigate]

And the plaguefall one

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

bladedancers armor kit i think is the name

[waxen frigate]

The organ or whatever

[sick sentinel]

bladekit, gargoyle heart, codex, bunch of others i cant think of

viscera

[crystal iris]

I main fury for raid but am finally enjoying prot for M+ ive got some choices to make for Dinars

[waxen frigate]

Tbf blade dancers isn’t actually a negative

It’s just not good

Stoneheart is literally detrimental

[sick sentinel]

ye obviously

if i get a 304 weapon/offhand/trinket / set piece i'm quittin prot discord

[uneven mason]

Literally my Life in 9.0

[sick sentinel]

then you guys can celebrate

[waxen frigate]

Especially in HOA where you need to kite dogs lmao

[south zealot]

ows should be first

[jagged pier]

thats the dream

[crystal iris]

Gavel if I dont get from clearing

[dawn canyon]

i pray

wrong channel

[sick sentinel]

i figure i've annoyed you guys long enough

just gota pray your all lucky enough i suppose

[crystal iris]

dude

just play what you want

[south zealot]

fair enough

[crystal iris]

what does a weapon have to do with any of that

[sick sentinel]

i have a 285 and like 278 reward also, those don't count, addendum to rules

[south zealot]

ows bis if u duel spec and you don’t favor one

[sick sentinel]

only counts if i get it on the jackpot slot

[crystal iris]

true, I missed out on the gavel last season though so im dying for one

[undone verge]

What are we dinaring Ows?

[south zealot]

i didnt get gavel either

normal first week

[crystal iris]

no because we gonna get it from vault 🙂

[south zealot]

heroic normal every week of the tier

[crystal iris]

same haha

[undone verge]

But like after I don’t and get 6 slots of boots, are we dinaring OWS?

[crystal iris]

ya

[civic torrent]

do u play other warrior specs other than prot

@undone verge

[undone verge]

I dable in fury

[sick sentinel]

if it doesn't happen this week or like next week

i stay, FOREVER

[undone verge]

And if The e price of the arms leggo drops from 60k I’ll play arms

[civic torrent]

i'd pick Aegis or RDM first

[sick sentinel]

destined to be warrior man forever until ends of the earth

[civic torrent]

if ur mostly prot

and only dabble in fury

[topaz field]

dont pick aegis with dinar

plz guys

u can clear nine much easier

[crystal iris]

depends on what youre doing too

[topaz field]

than guardian

[jagged pier]

well u can only buy weps and trinkets

[cinder storm]

Ows should be first pick

[jagged pier]

what if i got 2 trinkets already?

[crystal iris]

double codex?

[civic torrent]

If ur only doing like 15-20's

OWS is good

[cinder storm]

Huh?

[urban portal]

raid decanter

[south zealot]

why is ows bad when u go higher?

haste and strength

[civic torrent]

because u die to magic

and bleeds

[topaz field]

another troll

[drifting fable]

lol

[topaz field]

get me out

[urban portal]

lol

[cinder storm]

If you play bad you do

[topaz field]

end me

[drifting fable]

and a different trink saves you?

[jagged pier]

omg another one

[urban portal]

just get lucky with rdm

[drifting fable]

tell me which one

[civic torrent]

these guys are lost

[topaz field]

codex

[jagged pier]

im out for today

[south zealot]

get kicks out

[jagged pier]

good luck

[topaz field]

with hp saves u

[civic torrent]

lost

lost gamers

[lofty widget]

haha

[south zealot]

and if youre high enough you die to bleeds

go dwarf

[cinder storm]

Has to be another account, same person

[topaz field]

its august right?

or april

im rlly confused

[civic torrent]

i reckon 2 or 3 weeks

[drifting fable]

[civic torrent]

till u lads see no high prot keys using codex lmfao

[south zealot]

ok ye ur trolling

[lusty tiger]

This guys friends #protection message

[sick sentinel]

see this is why i mage 🙂

let tanky boy figure it all out 🙂

[urban portal]

sheesh

apb reformed

but there always has to be a APB

in this discord

[sick sentinel]

will always be a yogi

a bear in the wild

[urban portal]

that is why i like dps

[civic torrent]

these guys are actually lost lmfao

[urban portal]

can sim 99% of stuff

[civic torrent]

so confidently incorrectly

[urban portal]

no feelycrafting

[alpine shard]

revvez looted a codex yesterday and twitch chat was telling him how great it is and all the top warriors were using it

[sick sentinel]

I WAS LAGGING

thats why my dps was bad

im sorry u guys

[waxen frigate]

twitch chat opinions

😴

[south zealot]

why would the highest mitigation tank use codex

it fundamentally doesnt work like that

[waxen frigate]

mitigate deez nuts

[civic torrent]

#protection opinions

💤

[sick sentinel]

Aware

[undone verge]

Wait guys, we’re not using pulsating stoneheart in 20+?

[sick sentinel]

KEKW KKona

[south zealot]

bad troll is bad

[sick sentinel]

yeahh.... i love justin.tv... i mean twitch chat....

[jagged pier]

so what trinekts would u take high @civic torrent to deal with the magic damage

[urban portal]

codex bis vs throw

[undone verge]

Personally I just watch one streamer then base all my opinions off of what they say, even though they don’t play my spec and haven’t for 2 expansions

[lofty widget]

is the throw fix implemented yt?

[jagged pier]

well its nerfed

so not anymore

[lofty widget]

in EU

[civic torrent]

I'd play aegis and cheat death trinket tbh

[sick sentinel]

the virgin codex vs chad throw

[lusty tiger]

Lord have mercy

[lofty widget]

for a 21?

[urban portal]

for a 15 no leavers

[lusty tiger]

Beta male warrior

[civic torrent]

15 no leavers

100%

[cinder storm]

That guy is not doing 21s

[sick sentinel]

there is a comic panel i would kill to see by prot warrior discord for prot warrior discord

[lofty widget]

im using opc atm cause the extra parry i get on-demand is really nice

[topaz field]

same

[jagged pier]

u can play them if u want but aegis will do enough combine with the extra rage and haste from ows but you do you

[cinder storm]

These trolls are at most doing 10s-15s for their guild friends

[urban portal]

if you want double defensives

aegis rdm

just run that

[lusty tiger]

With those opinions he’s probably proccing the cheat death off cd

[undone verge]

personally I don’t die, but that’s just me

[civic torrent]

Lmfao

this shit is so good

[south zealot]

if youre doing stuff where u need double defensives

you wouldnt have to ask for help with trinkets

[undone verge]

Haste=defensive

[lofty widget]

no prot warrior atm is doing keys where they need double def

[undone verge]

Press more buttons

[cinder storm]

No tank really needs it

[near pewter]

Are they not though? On subcreation and raider IO it looks like they are using codex.

[sick sentinel]

it would take me a while, but if anybody who knows me well here is interested i could upload my mage gameplay and try to see if there are similiarties in game play like where i do the same stupid shit on warrior also on this mage

i have a 5 hour video from yesterday

of 4 keys

[south zealot]

doesnt mean its good or makes sense

[urban portal]

look at the logs man

[cinder storm]

Doesn't mean they are playing properly either

[urban portal]

in 9.2 a codex is doing as much as a 9.1 RDM

without the strength

[cinder storm]

Some top tanks are there because they have an amazing group

[near pewter]

There surley is a reason though? Maybe they were unlucky with SoD drops for trinkets and are waiting on dinnars? but statistically the top warriors are using it?

[waxen frigate]

how is this still going lmao

[civic torrent]

this guy has an excuse for every tank

must be #1 prot warrior world

[drifting fable]

night just scroll up to like 1 hr ago convo

[jagged pier]

im seeing scary word

[lofty widget]

the trolls are multiplying

[jagged pier]

subcreation

[south zealot]

not a good reason. the strength you lose by using codex is about 7% damage

[jagged pier]

[south zealot]

the damage u gain from codex is maybe 5%

[uneven mason]

All*

[jagged pier]

we arent even talking dps now

[south zealot]

you just straight up lose damage with less mitigation because less strength which is less armor

[urban portal]

night if you wanna dm me i can explain it to you

with all the evidence

[cursive prawn]

You should ask them directly. The people pushing 30 are playing a completely different game, and might have uses that don't apply elsewhere

[topaz field]

there should be a couple of questions before entering this discord: simple math questions

[dawn canyon]

he says he uses it to prevent oneshots iirc

[near pewter]

I thought maybe the prot warrior discord would have an idea as to why they are be used in the higher keys

[dawn canyon]

does everyone here play +30s

god damn

yuge chat

[alpine shard]

there's also the part where just because someone is a good player doesnt mean they know the theory behind stuff

[near pewter]

preventing 1 shots make sense

[uneven mason]

Like do you believe that math exists

[undone verge]

6/2(2+1)

[south zealot]

the general consensus is that theyre trolling basicslly

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

just for FYI we had 2 logs linked in here from this season and a 252 aegis was out performing codex but a fair bit as the codex was from this season and the aegis was from S2

[topaz field]

is 7 % = 7 %?

[sick sentinel]

yep i do mate

[cinder storm]

31s are the new 15s

[undone verge]

Wait you guys aren’t pushing 40s?

Psh casuals

[jagged pier]

i play for 30s a day

[dawn canyon]

xugma nuts

[south zealot]

what are u talking about

i only do 23s

[near pewter]

So is it maybe they just don't have the the other "better trinkets" at the moment?

[south zealot]

im a casual gsmer

no 30s for me

[jagged pier]

maybe for sure but that doesnt mean its good, we really dont have any good trinkets this season bar OWS, RDM and aegis

[civic torrent]

my 2c is Aegis is the best prot warrior trinket u can get

[urban portal]

they definitely do

[civic torrent]

defensively

[south zealot]

tattman always uses codex

[jagged pier]

but that doesnt mean the ones ppl are using are good

[sick sentinel]

if my life depended on it i could do a +25

[south zealot]

ows and aegis is a sick combo

ows and rdm too

[civic torrent]

"Several people are typing"

[sick sentinel]

but i wouldnt enjoy it

[south zealot]

everal people are typing

[sick sentinel]

it would be hell for me, literal hell

[near pewter]

it just seems that codex is used a decent amount in 24+keys - must be a reason other than "These guys doing top keys don't know how to play"

[topaz field]

even in mdi ppl run wrong talents thats life

[undone verge]

Aegis and RDM sounds cool

[strong forum]

Tattman didn't use codex all of tyr week, I thought he came to his senses

But alas, he didn't

[civic torrent]

I think RDM isnt great for prot

[strong forum]

Huh

[jagged pier]

he hadnt looted it yet

[strong forum]

Rdm is insane

[urban portal]

RDM is the highest damaging tank trinket

[topaz field]

man pretzel is joining april again

[civic torrent]

This guy has it out for me

[urban portal]

550 dps

550 hps

streets 25

[topaz field]

rdm is fucking bombastic

[strong forum]

Ssh

[drifting fable]

this guy is trolling fellas

[south zealot]

why do u think rdm is bad for prot

[drifting fable]

lmao

[topaz field]

especially in tyra

[strong forum]

Pretzel is farming

[drifting fable]

^

[blazing condor]

protzel pog

hope ur warrior is named that

[south zealot]

i’m getting farmed on repeat

[civic torrent]

everyone going raider io to find me

[south zealot]

i did

[south zealot]

but youre in kyrian as prot

[urban portal]

450 dps/hps from codex

[south zealot]

with signet

[civic torrent]

this guy is really committed

[urban portal]

and then codex has no strength

[civic torrent]

its great

[civic torrent]

make a toon on my server and send me hate mail

[waxen frigate]

That’s a based name

[sick sentinel]

not including like a 5 3 and 2 these are what id did

[waxen frigate]

My warrior is Nishangy

[south zealot]

no ur too cute for that uwu

[strong forum]

Nobody will find my name

[undone verge]

Same

[crystal iris]

is it up?

[waxen frigate]

No shot it’s up

[south zealot]

hmm i wonder what noneratur’s warrior name is

[waxen frigate]

Supposed to be down another 6 hours

[civic torrent]

if u looked a little deeper u'd see my keys are mostly +2 workshops

[crystal iris]

idk i see vault screenshot

[civic torrent]

for rings

🙂

[waxen frigate]

Closed vault

[south zealot]

imagine not getting rings on day 2

kekw

[waxen frigate]

🤔

[civic torrent]

was busy farming for aegis

[crystal iris]

i got excited

[undone verge]

I got the healer ring day 2

Haven’t seen another one since

[crystal iris]

I got the ring that requires me to be <50% HP lol

[sick sentinel]

I got a ring in there last night

[south zealot]

i had 50% and haste on day 1

[jagged pier]

havent logged in since getting my ring combo

[south zealot]

day 2 i got 3 hit

[sick sentinel]

nah u just have be be nomer

lord of the rings

[minor helm]

Fk u

[sick sentinel]

3 rings vault

[jagged pier]

brah 59 runs of both combine to get them

[minor helm]

[lusty grotto]

i resubbed sat, ran first workshop last night

[coral marsh]

how are you doing moroes, when are you pulling the adds and which do you let stunned for longest?

[lusty grotto]

got haste ring

xD

[undone verge]

Just pull all 4 at once it totally works

[fierce juniper]

@strong forum codex

[sick sentinel]

yup, in part this with AFE why quittin prot

[jagged pier]

kill whirlwind guy ealy doesnt really matter past that

[sick sentinel]

ran that dungeon a million times

[jagged pier]

ok bye 👋

[south zealot]

whirlwind and frontal first imo

easiest for dps to mess up

[jagged pier]

but then u need them to inturpt 👀

[undone verge]

Wait dps have kicks? Thought it was just tanks and resto shamans

[jagged pier]

🤔

[topaz field]

i would prefer the shaman to purge

[south zealot]

i try not to pug lowrr

[jagged pier]

i try not to pug

but alas every week

i pug

[sick sentinel]

that involves that i cancel casting other spells like arcane blast in pretty sure

or, its a gcd or something, i lose dps if i hit it anyways

[lusty grotto]

@strong forum is codex good?

[south zealot]

ewww arcane

[lusty grotto]

xD

[fierce juniper]

@strong forum what is codex

need the lore

[undone verge]

TBC arcane

[sick sentinel]

arcane mage is best mage

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-slap-robin-slap-gif-10206784

[lusty grotto]

i dont like this jakey guy

[undone verge]

Codex+First sigil

[sick sentinel]

fire mage is just a dude with a torch

sets everything on fire,, ice i cant explain ice mages

[oblique garnet]

Its stamina trinket that doesnt work

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet pls come back

i did it

im the best

i summoned late

[fierce juniper]

[jagged pier]

:hmm:

[minor helm]

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

blade kit, gargoyle heart

probably more

did they even test it out before releasing it?

[lusty grotto]

late pls dont look at my trinkets

[urban portal]

balde kit is fine

heart is horrible

[lusty grotto]

im only equipping ilvl lol

[sick sentinel]

at least blade kit is a 1 minute duration

2? 5 minute cd?

i cant remember, seems to last forever though is my point

[fierce juniper]

cant wait to turn this server into a Riot MMO discord server

[oblique garnet]

Hell yeah brother

[coral marsh]

if i dont time +15 lkara this week, how much more do i need to do next week for ksm?

[fierce juniper]

[sand egret]

Rood, I'm pretty fine tyvm

[sick sentinel]

where were going, we don't need rails

[south zealot]

hitting 2800 ez this week

[sand egret]

@lusty grotto

[undone verge]

Think I might go for 2200 this week

[oblique garnet]

Raiding so cant do keys today

[lusty grotto]

yooooooooooooooo

[sand egret]

sup homie

[lusty grotto]

just resubbed last saturday, so playing catch up from s1

and you?

[south zealot]

good lucj

[sand egret]

finally coming back to prot this season

[lusty grotto]

nice nice

the gang is coming back

😄

[south zealot]

i got tired of pugging keys as fury so here i am lol

[sand egret]

yep just gotta find some shield trinket to nitpick

[oblique garnet]

Prot is superior spec anyways

[south zealot]

its pretty damn fun

especially in execute

[topaz field]

btw what happens if my arms friend intervenes me with parry and i intervene him?

[south zealot]

[topaz field]

does the game crash?

serious question couz im playing with a war

[south zealot]

idk

[urban portal]

if he gets hit, you get hit instead

vice versa

doesnt go infinite

[lofty widget]

you take a hit>war intervenes>you intervene the intervened attack

so in the end youget hit i think

[topaz field]

but i cannot kill him right?

[urban portal]

fairly sure its not a double intervene

its a single pass

[lofty widget]

ah yea thatd make sense

[lofty widget]

well he has parry up for all of intervene so should be fine either way

[topaz field]

ok because it was gigachad on necro weeks

[south zealot]

i refuse to learn how to tank necrotic

i take one week vacation

[topaz field]

ye im also too bad for that

[sick sentinel]

i created multiple lvl 60 alts just for last week

in past 2 weeks

no way in fuck im doing sanguine grevious fort dungeons i havent even run - as tank

[south zealot]

sang is easier than i thought

[topaz field]

sang is really ez because u are the one to handle it

[lusty grotto]

i think the last gang member to be summoned is yamorino

[oblique garnet]

hes still playing

[lusty grotto]

yeah i know i saw him log off and on repeatedly during the weekend

[safe granite]

What shoud be our Shieldblock uptime in m+?

[lofty widget]

80% BLOCKED HITS not uptime

can only see in logs

[south zealot]

how do you see blocked hits on mobile

[lusty grotto]

you can see uptime in logs

or you could before i quit idk now

[oblique garnet]

but if you end up with 90% sb uptime and are always facing mobs you probably have around the same % of blocked hits

[lofty widget]

yea but that pointless to see

[south zealot]

we need more trolls

i’m bored

[strong forum]

🔫 🛑

[lusty grotto]

and you seem to have been for this entire expansions since "we aren't meta"

such is life

[south zealot]

huh

[sand egret]

Any Wrangler nerf enjoyers in chat?

[strong forum]

👐

[south zealot]

shouldve been a hotfix imo

but yeah its nice

[lusty grotto]

i swear i ran a few of those last night and so idk what thats about

TOO NEW

[undone verge]

Kyrian is better than necro

[sand egret]

not everything can be hotfixed fwiw

[jagged pier]

ill start muting soon

[sand egret]

if it's a client-side change it can't be

[south zealot]

fair point

if i couldve been hotfixed i would prefer it to be*

glad it’s changed though

[oblique garnet]

Why stop there

[south zealot]

[sand egret]

ok prep these named casts
sees Throw
psh ezpz

[lusty grotto]

i also died to beams on that first part of the new mega dungeon which ive never done before

[jagged pier]

i dont have the power unless thats changed

[limber galleon]

If anyone has played both prot pal and prot warrior, could you explain like I’m a newb what sort of differentiate them in the way they tank in m+ and what you enjoy about either spec. Sorry might not be the good channel for this question.

[lusty grotto]

xD

[lament shell]

yo people

wow doesnt work?

on eu

[sweet summit]

thank god

[jagged pier]

^^

[lament shell]

same issue as 1 week ago

[lusty grotto]

the purge has finally come

[lament shell]

with na patch

being on eu

[urban portal]

prot war has a real active mitigation

[lusty grotto]

screw late and nome

xD

[sand egret]

prot pal is a bit more reactive in design, utilizing WoG reactively to compliment a higher dam intake

prot war is massively proactive, if that makes sense

[undone verge]

react to dmg vs predict dmg

[limber galleon]

It does yeah

[urban portal]

prot war also has triple the apm

i love macroing shield into my rotation on prot pal

[undone verge]

predict/prevent

[urban portal]

to reduce my apm by half

[limber galleon]

So Prot pal is easier to play accounting for newb mistakes then

[undone verge]

sounds about right

[limber galleon]

? Because I can react to a hit with my free WoG every now and then

[south zealot]

i love the high apm but holy fuck my hands hurt after a couple hours

[dawn canyon]

Yep

[south zealot]

lol

[lusty grotto]

@ionic fern this is a terrible emoji

lol

[undone verge]

since as prot warr you need to be preventing the dmg, and if you make a mistake, you cant prevent dmg thats already happened, where as in a react class, you can heal through most mistakes

[lusty grotto]

you know what, i take that back

[plush moat]

are people getting error when trying to log in wow ?

[lusty grotto]

yes EU has been purged, sorry

[limber galleon]

But played properly the prot warrior is going to feel way more tanky?

[plush moat]

Whaat

[alpine shard]

they deleted the eu servers

[lusty grotto]

NA only now, no EU allowed

[undone verge]

yes

[alpine shard]

something gdpa or something

[undone verge]

you're barely gonna take dmg

[limber galleon]

Man that sounds dope

[urban portal]

in 9.2 yes

but you have to play a lot better

oh speaking of that

i was taking as much damage in a 2 on my dh

as a 15 on my warrior

same ilvl

[undone verge]

its a high skill ceiling

[south zealot]

dh kekw

[undone verge]

dh feels like paper

[limber galleon]

I’m in favor of deleting DHs

[undone verge]

agreed

[strong forum]

prot pally has a lower skill floor meaning you can get your basic mitigation quite easily and the playstyle is fairly straight forward coupled with decently good self and off healing

if this hasnt been said already, too lazy to scroll

[lusty grotto]

sorry nome, your opinion is moot

[coral marsh]

i just hope riot mmo has no classes it always leads to shit balance anyways

[lusty grotto]

EU players not allowed anymore

[strong forum]

balance is an illusion