protection

[chrome falcon]

i think

[royal lodge]

I used to pull mobs with the crossbow off of the Lich King.

[drifting socket]

ah thanks I'll check WCL

[uneven mason]

Your little kid ulduar raid, I was 28 bruh

[oblique garnet]

When did you start playing

[south zealot]

fair but not so difficult as to stay away in fear lol

in my defense i was like 11

[uneven mason]

Some time in 2004, because my eq guild all got beta keys

[chrome falcon]

my ass was so cocky when i was 11

full quest blues and a few epics from HC? yeah get me into kara dude i can tank that

[oblique garnet]

👍 started in late tbc

[chrome falcon]

^

[toxic pewter]

wat the heck, zero mythic terragrue groups day before reset

[undone verge]

I think I started in wrath but never made it to 80

[chrome falcon]

make your own

you always say you're a leader apb

this time, i'll believe in you

[toxic pewter]

It is true, I am a leader among men

sometimes even women

[chrome falcon]

X

but i bet you can do mythic tarragrue just fine

[toxic pewter]

Going to do it

mattacate i like your videos btw i watched your grimrail vid

i liked each of them

[chrome falcon]

thank you apb

[toxic pewter]

actually really informative

yogi u still playing mage or wat

[sick sentinel]

like i say been on my mage, to try something else, and also to see tank from another perspective, i dunno if that angle is panning out

[toxic pewter]

what angle? playing mage?

[sick sentinel]

from, not the tank angle

[toxic pewter]

That is because you are a tank at heart yourself

[sick sentinel]

try to see what they do that i dont

[undone verge]

I can’t do that, I usually just get frustrated at the tank cause they pull tiny

[toxic pewter]

Yes every good tank cant stand other tanks tanking for them

[sick sentinel]

i don't mind if they pull big or tiny, just do i have to worry about being hit by cleave i shouldn't be hit by as dps cuz like, tank is facing it at us

[toxic pewter]

well you should be like pretty far from the action as mage generally

[sick sentinel]

get spooked when i get hit by some crap and try to play defensive not die

[toxic pewter]

dont hesitate to use ice block

[undone verge]

dont hesitate to ninja pull 3 other packs and wipe your group so you can optimize your cooldowns

[lavish oracle]

Is throw from the Iron Docks wranglers not blockable?

Yikes

2 of them demolished my whole fleshcraft, lol

[strong forum]

Yup

[urban portal]

Mine died in 1

Should’ve had more vers tbh

[south zealot]

really need to cc one wrangler

kill the other one

then break the other one free

[sick sentinel]

i'll keep pushing this key i got up to a 15

or whenever it bricks

[chrome falcon]

god man

i just need ONE group that understands how to drink an invis pot

in iron docks

[sick sentinel]

iron docks seems like its free, but im sure there is some secret pug wiper tech

on 15 and above

[stark lance]

Can we kill 9 bosses this week and still get the dinar next week cuz 11 in sepulcher?

[sick sentinel]

def not free

probably the hardest key right now

[oblique garnet]

Tank baiting charges in the beginning

Gamer group for stars

[sick sentinel]

i love the stars

[dawn canyon]

time 28 lower then bozo

[sick sentinel]

you get to just relax for a minute

after all that cringe trash

to go and do some more

[dawn canyon]

first half fucks you up man

and then wranglers

[sick sentinel]

yeah idk if u saw how we did it

had to cc every wrangler

and play 1 at a time

[urban portal]

You have to anyways

[oblique garnet]

I mean technically you only have to play like 1 wrangler

[sick sentinel]

depends

ill show roite

route

bozo!

this is the safest we found

[dawn canyon]

docks good key for routing

imo

[oblique garnet]

Youre skipping so much in the start?

[sick sentinel]

ye its just

[blazing condor]

risky to skip in the start if people die

[sick sentinel]

too shit to play

yah

[oblique garnet]

You can bait all the bleeds to tank too

[sick sentinel]

footsoldier is giga cringe

[oblique garnet]

In the start

They go to farthest target

If rest of the group is stacked and tank is alone they go to tank

But it needs some gaming

[sick sentinel]

idk that sounds

pretty annoying

considering technicians throw grenades

battlemaster bladestorms

sleep cloud will perma be in melee

id rather skip them

if your group happens to be engineer they can put an infinite use invisible potion

same rules as any other potion

so 5min cooldown?

literal shares potion cd

same with bombs items in SL

i mean

id hope my group in 27 iron docks

[oblique garnet]

Also you could bring the big boy from gauntlet into stars

[sick sentinel]

all has invis pots of their own

[sick sentinel]

yeah you can but

takes too much time to gather imo

im pretty sure that does the tinker, maybe not, i know the bomb items do

[chilly brook]

Belt tinker omegacring

Only reason to be engi is for brez tbh

[sick sentinel]

even there is a ghost buster trap and bounce orb thing that NEVER gets us

wtf

[oblique garnet]

Idk if you bring most of the gauntlet to stars it saves alot of time

[sick sentinel]

we just bring the start atm

dimensional shift

[oblique garnet]

Someone just has to go and pull them as tank and someone does the first 2

[sick sentinel]

but

don't they target cap

and its from engineer goes on belt

[oblique garnet]

Yeah 15

[sick sentinel]

same as invis pot

[oblique garnet]

You can bring 2 big boys and the 2 packs in the middle and kill them with the first star

[sick sentinel]

my route has

target cap

on all 3 stars tho

idk how we'd get more

it means i have to buy less invis potions

cuz i can chain them, thats right i remember doing this now

[oblique garnet]

You would have to change some mobs that you pull

But thats about it

In the beginning that is

[sick sentinel]

so ur saying i can pull that blue pack

into stars

[oblique garnet]

Or well after first boss you would pull a bit more

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

arcane is pretty sweet though, greater invis, hell yeah

but what would i skip from yellow green and pink

[oblique garnet]

Yeah and play a bit more in the part after first boss

IMO that saves way more time

[sick sentinel]

hm

[oblique garnet]

It takes a bit of practice to get them all

And good coordination

[sick sentinel]

maybe we try it

later on today

we need 25/26 timed tho

before we try stuff like that

[chilly brook]

If you’re gonna skip stuff

[sick sentinel]

cuz we aren't looking good

[chilly brook]

You skip after 2nd boss

[sick sentinel]

i mean

i'd rather play stuff after second boss

over that laborer that we skip

[dawn canyon]

ur gg to judge

[toxic pewter]

does RDM have an ICD

[dawn canyon]

stay toxic king

[oblique garnet]

From a tanks perspective id play anything to avoid playing these packs

[dawn canyon]

🙏

[sick sentinel]

cuz of wrangler?

we just play 1 wrangler at a time

[dawn canyon]

paleboy sucks so much he's only 2800 week 2

SMH!!!

[oblique garnet]

Wrangler + lava spit is just so annoying to deal with

[dawn canyon]

lava spit cringe

[sick sentinel]

clefthoofs have double the hp of wrangler so u kill 1 wrangler pull 2nd one in

and then all dies when 2nd wrangler dies

ironically the reason we depleted was cuz our hunter didnt play binding

oh yeah

i changed lust timings

on our upper

btw

lust 1st pull

the infiltrator and zul'gamax

play curator no lust

lust medivh

and lust last

[dawn canyon]

i got a small one in bags for u to try

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[dawn canyon]

lil 18

[sick sentinel]

weakaura shows timings for aoe

so u just

clear before aoe

do u play

in corner

[dawn canyon]

dstance +3 stack

[sick sentinel]

yeah i normally monk taunt it

so it gets corner fast

and yeah idea is

tank sits in middle

rest of players spread

so if any go out

they grab

https://pastebin.com/JLUD9H1V

wa for aoe

i just made it text

ther is a bar if u prefer that

wtf

i upload and they're insta taken down

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[oblique garnet]

Pastebin deletes most shit insta now

[sick sentinel]

no worries mate

working on it

[oblique garnet]

Surprised the bot didnt autoban you tbh

Or delete the message

Eyir sucks

[gilded tendon]

fuk u @oblique garnet

[sick sentinel]

i am gigachad thats y

[gilded tendon]

🧦

[sick sentinel]

exciting times ahead..

[oblique garnet]

Do you also have a fotm bdk tank?

[sick sentinel]

vdh

lel

[oblique garnet]

Oh

I can respect that

How does the 5k st dps feel tho

[sick sentinel]

first week we were playing disc priest as well

yeah not ideal

[oblique garnet]

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YfAv6jdRkTLKnJ4g/#type=casts&fight=2&source=1 if i stop missing ss procs i will ascend

[sick sentinel]

this key felt insane

when we did it

[oblique garnet]

Wish i had group for keys

[sick sentinel]

ye he got bullied

for playing venth

he's rly shit

we carried him week 1

ditched him week 2

[oblique garnet]

Hey im pugging that range

[sick sentinel]

bro

i keep thinking

i shoulda done tgp

me and gg were looking

[dawn canyon]

shoulda joined team echo

[sick sentinel]

and my live keys are enough to get me in top 8 na

lol

[dawn canyon]

dude late did u see

the name echo picked this time

[oblique garnet]

No

[dawn canyon]

someone deadass stole their name

💀

wonder who

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[oblique garnet]

Wtf gg why didnt you ask me for tgp

Id be down

Just tryna game

[dawn canyon]

due to unfortunate events

[sick sentinel]

gigachad broadcast

[dawn canyon]

gg no tank

[oblique garnet]

Im multiclass god

[dawn canyon]

we missed banner

[oblique garnet]

[dawn canyon]

banner uptime in keys gna be shit

ye

ended yesterday

or earlier today

cant rmemeber

[sick sentinel]

sell echo the team name

for gold

[dawn canyon]

so now we have TR for tmog purposes

🙏

2nd to sign up

giga gamers

[oblique garnet]

TR was fun sandbox to try out things

[sick sentinel]

i woulda liked tr

but

didnt realise i was gonna push keys this season

do i get anything from that

like surely some gametime

[oblique garnet]

Never

[dawn canyon]

this time

[sick sentinel]

i know an mdi global finalist and a 2 times mdi winner

[dawn canyon]

team echo will potentially compete

[sick sentinel]

thats big mate

[dawn canyon]

i replaced jmy for team echo

soda replaced gingi

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[oblique garnet]

i told naowh what gear to go for on warrior in bfa mdi

[sick sentinel]

my region is so dogshit

how much does it cost

to live in eu

like anywhere

ill go baltic

well im top 100 world so... that wouldn't make much sense mate

[oblique garnet]

I have 94m2 apartment 690/month 🙂

[sick sentinel]

idk what that even mean

i live with my parents

icic

[oblique garnet]

The square meters

[sick sentinel]

is that big

[oblique garnet]

Its 4 bedroom apartment

[sick sentinel]

wtf

late is a baller confirmed?

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

val'kyr must get paid a lot

[oblique garnet]

I wish

[dawn canyon]

payed

[abstract hearth]

Is prot really that bad in keys? You never see anyone playing them and very few high up on the leaderboard for io

[oblique garnet]

No

[chrome falcon]

no

prot owns

[urban portal]

No

[sick sentinel]

yes

[chrome falcon]

[oblique garnet]

Your region has like 1 person who can play prot

[sick sentinel]

IIRC once you get the codex powerspike it becomes very viable

[urban portal]

Throw has scarred me for life

[sick sentinel]

🐀

[urban portal]

Reroll brew now

[sick sentinel]

3 out of 20

looking

very represented mate

[oblique garnet]

Just wait

[sick sentinel]

alright

we will

get some purple

on that page

today

[oblique garnet]

I need to do more boosts so i can racechange to dwarf

[sick sentinel]

the only shit thing with dwarf

is gate skips

we had to figure out how our lock could do a gateskip so we sifted through like

25 toys

[oblique garnet]

The spectral skeleton toy works 100% of the time

[sick sentinel]

well

unfortunately

during testing

he put them all on cooldown

for 1hr+

bit of a mishap there

[oblique garnet]

[sick sentinel]

has to be taller than that

we tried it

he just rng rolled on a transmorph beacon

in future we just play acolytes guise

man

i just want 2850 today

i cant.

ur right.

i give up

screenshot my rio guys.

this is where it ends

yeah we're playing in

abt 2 hrs

idk

[median tulip]

291 Haste/Vers Shield from the weekly quest turn in xD

[sick sentinel]

maybe i get title

depends if i cba

[chrome falcon]

depends

these keys probably get nerfed

so people can go higher

• people will be like full bis with dinars

[oblique garnet]

We also dont have full mythic gear yet

[median tulip]

Kara is for sure getting nerfed

[sick sentinel]

i wont be

im 3/30 on my quest

:(

[chrome falcon]

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[sick sentinel]

fuckkk bro

but keez

[oblique garnet]

Actually inting

[sick sentinel]

they gave me a raid spot

[median tulip]

LFR is actually worth doing, if you can be arsed

[chrome falcon]

tbf does vdh even have good items

[sick sentinel]

for jailer and panth

in their guild

and ye i think rdm

and ripper

[floral solar]

Does VDH have a reliable way to slow things though for m+?

[sick sentinel]

no they just jump away

it doesnt matter

[oblique garnet]

I mean yeah not wrong

[sick sentinel]

idk its a bit

annoying

knowing in the long run

we will be incapable of pushing the highest of keys

literally because we are playing 1 of 2 tanks that can not survive them

yeah

[oblique garnet]

You think thats gonna be whats gonna be your downfall?

[sick sentinel]

absolutely

[oblique garnet]

If prot pala can live why not vdh

[sick sentinel]

we have new healer now anyway

idk maybe our tank is bad

he struggles to survive sometimes even now

[oblique garnet]

I think you will eventually run into issues where the tank st dps is just non existent and you will lack damage

[sick sentinel]

im just egomaniac and psure im best player in the team

post bench

dude

phil told me where to do this cd things

but i forgot already

FOUND IT

TY

[oblique garnet]

[dawn canyon]

ui godx 🙏

[oblique garnet]

You didnt have it on?

[dawn canyon]

he did on war

imagine playing default ui

it has a 9 in box rn

kinda fried

but rather 288 than 301

[sick sentinel]

nice mate

where's the 15?

[oblique garnet]

Oi bruv you playing with girls

[sick sentinel]

shes fake iirc.

[dawn canyon]

sara is a shaman

[sick sentinel]

whats franch

[dawn canyon]

idk both rdus i know are dudes

[urban portal]

We

Ew

[oblique garnet]

Its the baguette place

[dawn canyon]

(bad part of eu)

spain is aight

good food

[oblique garnet]

Isnt that italy

[sick sentinel]

bro the most fucked shit happened yday

on gd

i fell off train

last boss

and hit our healers trap and killed him somehow

[oblique garnet]

Fucking eyefall tower

[sick sentinel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas_/clip/AltruisticGoldenGiraffeRedCoat-xzhtwI6YSV3uQYDC?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

honestly mate

we need to be able to cancelaura windwalking

being fast

is not ideal on that boss

working on it

he's 60 now

[mossy bridge]

hey guys im a fury main whos struggling trying to get the hang of prot for some reason any tips, Im trying plaguefall solo for the mount

[oblique garnet]

I wonder at what level do you actually have to start doing the grimrail platform cheese

[dawn canyon]

good chatblocker

true!!

captain of team echo graphic team too

dude mecha wrists are like crack on fire i fucking love em

[fringe dirge]

so i noticed that in the pinned, vers is ranked super low. has that always been a thing in shadowlands? or a recent change in he patches

[chrome falcon]

vers sux

[dawn canyon]

vers is kinda meh if you cant get like 70% through corruption

[oblique garnet]

And even then it was overkill

Td wins

Enjoy your 60k overall dps im out here doubling that

But tbf td working with leech was dumb

Arena was dumb

Wtf was that one tourney where they just ran is

Very cool

Yep

Whoever has the best trigger discipline with immunity wins

Then you also had the brother from beyond who speeds to you and onetaps

[tame kite]

hey guys , i've been trying to work on keeping banner up longer first and then move on to other things i need to improve on. if someone could look at my logs i would greatly appreciate any help https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gwrPXQm2bBYRzWvy/#fight=last&source=613&type=casts

[sick sentinel]

is the boss that has HK-8 in junkyard fixed this week?

i have a 14 junkyard now, gunna try to get to a 15

[oblique garnet]

Next week it is gunker iirc

[sick sentinel]

so, hk starts at king?

im NA

keys have been pretty chill on mage so far

BDK in group got the codex, he's super excited about it "hell yeah" he says

[chrome falcon]

i can't see how much rage you're wasting but you need to SS a LOT more

you also need to make sure you LS during banner

[oblique garnet]

@sick sentinel https://www.wowhead.com/news/grimrail-enforcers-encounter-hotfixed-in-iron-docks-bosses-in-corner-strategy-328348

Unlucky

[sick sentinel]

skill issue

all g

we play normal then

[oblique garnet]

No

[sick sentinel]

grievous pet on all 3

[warm plinth]

It's fixed every week. But it varies based on EU/NA. You go gunker first on NA this week, Gobba first on EU

[sick sentinel]

kill through sphere

[warm plinth]

Next week it'll flip

Whatever, not gunker

Is the point

Because HK-8 is over him

[oblique garnet]

Hk-8 will be on gunker

On both na and eu

[sick sentinel]

is that confirmed

like, i'll probably just let the tank figure it out

we had hk-8 on gunker

last week

na

but, its alot less stress to just blaster everything

[oblique garnet]

Oh then its w/e you didnt have yet

[sick sentinel]

ah kk

[warm plinth]

This week (right now, today), HK-8 is NOT over Gunker

on NA

[sick sentinel]

ITS NOT

BTW

i just like to attempt to prepare for .... inevitabilities

[tame kite]

okay for sure , i have that macro that has banner , LS , and avatar and sometimes the times for the cds are wonky and not in sync. Me needing to SS more makes sense i feel like im just spamming revenge the whole time lol

[dawn canyon]

that macro is only for on pull

remember that

[tame kite]

that i did not realize oof makes sense now

[fringe dirge]

so vers being a top stat was really a BFA thing?

[sick sentinel]

there are soooo many players at these new dungeons

[dawn canyon]

fck

ty

i love exploring the internet

[urban portal]

Not even

[dawn canyon]

i wish they had st dummies on TR

[urban portal]

Vers is just overrated for tanks in general

[dawn canyon]

where

ah

ok

i check tmr

[fringe dirge]

i see

i always thought the vers was a chunk to help mitigate the magic damage we take

[dawn canyon]

i got omega annoyed of mage ignite from PF amping my dam 😠

[undone verge]

literally was doing a key and wiped to trying the strat right before this came out

[sick sentinel]

surely the strat is still good tho

melee guy will perma charge in

cuz he faces tank

nah just tank

i think

yeah

dwarf it

[dawn canyon]

bs traps

dude why didnt they leave it in

key is hard enough anyways

[sick sentinel]

have encountered bear tank in que for 14 junk

see how it goes

[desert solstice]

So I keep asking this and I can not get a straight answer. I see the top IO prot warriors running Codex...But everyone here says its bad? Is it better when youre tanking higher keys because ignore pain runs out quickly? Im just trying to figure it out. I started tanking 19s and plan to do 20s next week....

[oblique garnet]

Yeah no

Its just a stamina stat stick that does fuckall

[chrome falcon]

i dunno how you're not getting a straight answer

everyone in here hates codex

it's bad

don't wear it

[dawn canyon]

the reason they give is aight

just not content everyone does

🤷

[nova rover]

Ok how do you guys handle cogglestone, in the opera event

we knocked down all the others no problem till that one

[chilly brook]

Kill it

[nova rover]

Its absolutley knocking us, like yea but start spawning forks, we interrupt and damage becomes unhealable

[chilly brook]

No it’s never better than a regular trinket

It’s shit healing and shit damage

Anything with strength is far better

[nova rover]

So nuke the adds?

[chilly brook]

Like literally anything with strength

[nova rover]

Does that debuff cogglestone_

Ok and if your war is necro?

yea well talking entierly as prot

and as a tank, we did not have roots

so how does one handle that boss

So killing the forks debuffs it?

[south zealot]

less bleeds

coggle dude shreds armor

[nova rover]

doesnt cogglestone hit you with the shred armor?

[toxic pewter]

The shred armor can mess you up

[south zealot]

and the forks hit hard

coggle savage is irrelevant

damage **

[toxic pewter]

I usually save shield wall for dent armor

Ya true

[south zealot]

multiple dent armor happen

[urban portal]

thats the thing, its hard to realize codex is bad

because the loss of strength is invisible

[dusty belfry]

Hey guys I am a super duper noob tank and prot warrior. I've been running mythic zeros trying to gear up and learn the class. I want to start jumping into low keys but the mechanics intimidate the hell out of me. What is a good source to help familiarize with the different dungeons, like routes and dealing with mechanics as a tank? I've tried YouTube a billion times but I can't find too much that looks helpful to a straight noob

[south zealot]

you dont reslly realize how op strength is until you do a pull with banner and the same pull without banner

[urban portal]

yea basically

[chrome falcon]

the easiest way to learn to do keys is by doing keys

[urban portal]

but banner is also mastery

[dusty belfry]

For sure....but I don't want to go in totally clueless lol

[south zealot]

yeah the best learning you can do is playing

watch a tl;dr guide on the dungeon

wowaholic makes some good ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drKAVG48JQs&list=PLMzAcTp2c8VcUgwSt8CJ-Mqwq9YZAFceD&index=11&ab_channel=WoWAholics101

[dusty belfry]

So I was really looking for dungeon guides from a tanks perspective specifically...maybe that's why I was struggling to find any good ones.

Thank you for sharing!

[south zealot]

junkyard is the only one id worry about a tank perspective

[dawn canyon]

Yunkyard isnt a route, it's a philosophy is what my GM always says

[south zealot]

i depleted 21 and 20 junkyard in pugs

bc people didnt pick up bots

[dawn canyon]

Pugs will be pugs

[south zealot]

even though i said exactly where they were :(

[nova rover]

Do you guys pull the twins in junkyard behind their spawnpoint?

[floral solar]

Did you put down markers as well?

[dusty belfry]

You can lead a jackass to the water....but you cant make the jackass drink the water lol

[south zealot]

for a few of them yeah

also i hate when people steal the welding bot im trying to get lmao

[south zealot]

nah ive never done that

boss is already super easy as it is

[floral solar]

I always find world markers help since it doesn't require people to understand english fully. Like "Bot hidden in pipe" is harder to understand than "Bot on {square}"

[south zealot]

fair enough

[floral solar]

(In WoW that would show an actual square in chat)

[south zealot]

oh i didnt even know that

thats op

[dawn canyon]

Also good for chat weakauras

[floral solar]

Works for all the markers. Just replace square with the shape like skull/cross.

[dawn canyon]

{cross} combust ready in 5{cross}

[south zealot]

i hate those weakaurad

but ig thats bc i always track cds

[dawn canyon]

💀

[south zealot]

so its irrelevant information for me

[dawn canyon]

100% adding it to the amogus one tmr

It's cringe

[south zealot]

fair enough

[dawn canyon]

Average mage

Dude i played with this

Dh dps

"meta ready in 9.9" "meta READY!" "meta used"

Bro shut up

[south zealot]

the best mages dont have any weakaurad saying shit about combust

oh wow u used meta???? i couldnt tell

5k before?

generous

[dawn canyon]

I will make my weakaura say "PYROBLASTING" every time i throw a pyro

I will be banned within a day

[south zealot]

i wanna try dh

[dawn canyon]

But it will happen

[south zealot]

bc theres no way it actually does that little damage right

[dawn canyon]

"Divine toll back, you can Zug zug" {skull}

[south zealot]

maybe i just get bad dhs

[dawn canyon]

Imagine a weakaura %player died {skull}

Dh buffs main character

(SV hunt)

[south zealot]

no dh likes sinful brand

[dawn canyon]

I actually need a "name" died weakaura

3.3 because tier pogU

Omega cringe

After every mob

MURLOC TINYFIN GOT PWND!!!

[sick sentinel]

i died like 10 times on that stupid junk 14 key just now

[dawn canyon]

L

Or when someone gets zapped

[sick sentinel]

we timed it, but i apologized to em

[dawn canyon]

"name" forgor the path {skull}

It's so weird doing it on mage

[sick sentinel]

AN ALLIED HERO HAS BEEN KILLED

[dawn canyon]

Idk how far my blink goes

If ur in the inital grab

Can you iceblock it

[sick sentinel]

i got a 15 gambit imma run

[dawn canyon]

Good key

Gl

[sick sentinel]

re-rolled to mage

[oblique garnet]

You never played it because you just ran through with awakened

[dawn canyon]

The robot zaps you before he sends u back

[oblique garnet]

Just leap LUL

[sick sentinel]

but, i still don't want to give up prot just yet, especially if i died 10 times on a key

[dawn canyon]

Id describe it as a grab

[oblique garnet]

Also you are pala use immunity and run

[dawn canyon]

He forgor {skull}

[chrome falcon]

wait what

the JY gauntlet

you just jump over the things

it's giga ez

[dawn canyon]

The kujo one

[oblique garnet]

You leap all the way to top and never actually play the mechanic

[chrome falcon]

yes that but unironically

[dawn canyon]

Kujo you can leap idk about the garden one

[chrome falcon]

we're talking about JY sir

not workshop

[oblique garnet]

Yes

Literally

[dawn canyon]

Oh that thing

[oblique garnet]

You can leap to the top

[dawn canyon]

Im fried

[chrome falcon]

in BFA

could you even jump over the things

i didn't know you could

[oblique garnet]

You can do that now too

[dawn canyon]

Ye that one is easy as shit even if u leap into bot

[chrome falcon]

though i played pala

in bfa

[dawn canyon]

Just go normal

[floral solar]

What about unhindered passing pots?

[sick sentinel]

iceblock is mega mind or pepega depending on how its used

[dawn canyon]

Aight less scam there then

Maybe i play venthyr for Boss dam cope

Although NF better

Unless pi

[sick sentinel]

im not super great at mage things

[dawn canyon]

I have the issue of giga greeding the cancel

So i just block of debuffs rather than being in there to prevent dam

Yea im still figuring shit out

[south zealot]

25 iron docks

[dawn canyon]

Between Blick absorb/barrier/images/alter and caut/pod/block

Lotta shit to do

[south zealot]

eh

just combustion

[dawn canyon]

That's what it ends with yea

Dude i blasted the dummy for like 2 sigils and had 40% combust uptime

Absolutely vile

[south zealot]

eu kwk

kekw

[dawn canyon]

It's 4

Nearly

[south zealot]

LMAO

[dawn canyon]

Kwk

[south zealot]

idek wtf kwk is

[dawn canyon]

{skull}

[south zealot]

{cross}

[oblique garnet]

Sure

[dawn canyon]

{nipple}

Idk what it's called

Like unironically

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[dawn canyon]

Lage awake again or still

{skull}

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[gilded tendon]

[south zealot]

[oblique garnet]

Yikes

[urban portal]

the one guy that did a 27 with HR

kinda clean

[chrome falcon]

honestly i respect that

[raven kettle]

am i the only one who is straight up unable to survive on +15 keys on the opera fight this week?

[chrome falcon]

no, but you really should be able to

keep shield block up

[raven kettle]

its the last guy

when he does the armor break

[chrome falcon]

CDs

[coral marsh]

finally timed id 15 with the double skip cheese

[sick sentinel]

didnt time the 15 gambit

[lusty tiger]

i have now learned ascended banner gaming is playing around 3 min banner buffs gg

[sick sentinel]

well, i got 2 weapons today on my mage :S

285 and 278, guess it's hard to compliain about that

[lusty tiger]

i have noticed my lock isnt fun below a 10

because then i cant get stupid stack of imps

u doing 10s yet on that guy

[sick sentinel]

i may have to rethink this arcane thing and try frost out

[lusty tiger]

arcane is rough for some of these dungeons says my arcane main buddy

was 2800io arcane and wont play it now

im begging him to buff our pug warlocks but nah

[sick sentinel]

i couldn't have forseen it coming but getting a 298 trinket gave me some confidence

[lusty tiger]

i dont see that

[sick sentinel]

before that point in the week had only done baby lfr stuff

weekly quest 4 mythic dungeon reward

[lusty tiger]

thats a cool trinkt

[toxic pewter]

You think this buff is applying to the base vers on the trinket or the vers you get when you use the trinket

[lusty tiger]

really good for arcane too i would think

[sick sentinel]

270 crit rating basically, or like uhh close to 8-10% crit

with 3 stacks active

the on use is basically cosmetic but im told it probably doesn't but may or may not interfere with battle rez

[last pebble]

are the anodized deflector wrists from workshop good?

[chrome falcon]

that's 100% for the base vers

[sick sentinel]

increase to on use effect, or on item stat passive

i don't have that trinket yet, i would want it if i was tanking still

[chrome falcon]

i wonder if that's good now

i mean it's not even close to 9.1 trinkets

but for the people who cba even doing LFR for a guaranteed bis trinket

it might be a vaguely not-dogshit replacement

[waxen frigate]

Almost certainly the passive vers

It would be nutty to have like 1600+ vers on a 2min CD

[sick sentinel]

i think so too because i dunno what the current is but its a fuck load

like lyeah, what hes saying

i dunno what is the current versa on whatever valor upgrade cap is

[waxen frigate]

I think it’s 800+

I’m not 100% sure though

But on a spec like windwalker

You can’t give them 1700 vers every 2min lmao

[toxic pewter]

yah most def gonna be base vers

the alternative would be insane

[waxen frigate]

For sure

Insta bis for at least a third of the Dps specs

[sick sentinel]

i was thinking more about the passive versa but its not big deal

30 is .75%

[waxen frigate]

Oh I think like

80?

90?

[sick sentinel]

so, yeah, it will be like, 150 versa now, or about 3%

[chrome falcon]

insta bis for literally everyone considering that would be first sigil on a shorter CD

and first sigil is already bis for a lot of people

[waxen frigate]

I was being extremely conservative lol

[chrome falcon]

i don't think it makes the trinket good for people it wasn't already good for

[waxen frigate]

But yeah you’re right

[chrome falcon]

but those people who are already using it got 90 free vers

good for them

[sick sentinel]

like i said im happy pig in shit thta i got 2 weapons with different stats on mage, could have been 1 is a staff but oh well

[urban portal]

base vers

the other 2 trinkets listed had main stat buffed

[waxen frigate]

Knowing blizz tho

Also I wish the trink in your name wasn’t HPPM based

If I could just have perma 500 agi on brew

nut

[sick sentinel]

knowing blizzard

[urban portal]

i mean

raid decanter is quite insane

for something thats 7 ilvls down on OWS

[waxen frigate]

It’s only like 30% uptime at best tho isn’t it?

[sick sentinel]

my vault will be 304 belt (unity) 294 hands (harmony) 285 1 hand weapon (i got 2 of them this week...)

or like boots

[waxen frigate]

I remember using it for a bit on my FDK in sod.

Until I got OWS lol

Then it was OWS/OPC or IQD gaming

[chrome falcon]

I know we all know this but man

We’re just so fucking tanky

I know 24 gambit isn’t giga push but

I was tanking 6 melee pirates and not going below 90% for a SECOND

[urban portal]

24 gambit week 2 is quite hard

well not easy

[waxen frigate]

Melee pirates as brew

Pog

Stomps

[chrome falcon]

Yeah I mean it was kinda scary at points

[urban portal]

speaking of brew

they invalidate iron docks throw

so unfair

actually

[waxen frigate]

Is it gonna be properly staggered now?

[chrome falcon]

Well throw should be free now

[urban portal]

i wanna see BDK get globalled by throw

in 31

[waxen frigate]

I saw it’s reduced by armor

[chrome falcon]

^

Basically like 60% nerf to it’s damage

[waxen frigate]

But no mention of whether it’s staggered at physical rate instead of magic atm

[chrome falcon]

It’s phys damage so

[waxen frigate]

Wasn’t it always

[hazy edge]

can't, it's parriable and you can have 90% parry as bdk 🙂

[urban portal]

gg

well

[chrome falcon]

Yes but not reduced for some reason

[urban portal]

they can get globalled 13% of the time

[chrome falcon]

But it definitely wasn’t reduced by SR

[waxen frigate]

It was staggered at the magic rate

[urban portal]

was it not staggered properly

[waxen frigate]

For brew

[urban portal]

oh i see

[chrome falcon]

No I mean free for everyone

[urban portal]

so its what, 7%?

for magic stagger

these days

[waxen frigate]

It’s not free for us (brews) if it’s still staggered the same way

We only have like

20% armor dr

[chrome falcon]

Awww

[waxen frigate]

35% of normal rate

[chrome falcon]

Little 20% armour DR

For the lil monks and their cow bud

[waxen frigate]

So 0.35*.7 or so

[chrome falcon]

That’s nice

Yeah i didn’t know it’s magic staggered

[waxen frigate]

Idk off the top of my head what shuffle stagger is usually for me rn

[chrome falcon]

That’s dumb! Someone should tell blizz

[waxen frigate]

Something with a 7

[waxen frigate]

Thinking blizz remembers we exist

Did you see our original 4pc

Biggest fucking meme ever

[chrome falcon]

I mean

You got a decent replacement

Even if it’s 2IQ

Maybe they’ll give it the outburst treatment and bring it forward to DF

Smile

[waxen frigate]

Oh for sure

However

The fact the original 4pc was ever even a thought

Let alone actually pushed to ptr

Or announced

Whatever

Like Jesus man

[sick sentinel]

DOUBLE IP

[urban portal]

which one was it

i forgot

keg healing?

[waxen frigate]

Shuffle duration extended for BoK and SCK and is

Ks

[urban portal]

oh yeah

thaqt was lit

[sick sentinel]

Pmuch same as now, except the 2pc was WAY WAY worse and then 4 pc did IP shit

[urban portal]

maybe in a world where shuffle isnt 200% uptime

[waxen frigate]

When shuffle duration is already 100% if you aren’t actually afk

[sick sentinel]

which nobody wanted

[urban portal]

oh wait i remember

also brew cd right

[waxen frigate]

Yeah

[urban portal]

some very minor

[waxen frigate]

but it was so bad

It was literally

1CB every 12 min

assuming full TP spam and zero downtime and perfect play

Lmao

[urban portal]

not even stoneskin

lmao

[waxen frigate]

Not a single instance where that would give you an extra CB

And even if it did give you 1, congrats a 100k shield

But you had to completely fuck all your timings to get it

And play suboptimally

I literally wanted to cry

[sick sentinel]

if rune of power for mage is so pivitol and is in all 3 mage talent specs, and is the go to option every time, i hope its just made already learned base line or early on mage tree

[waxen frigate]

It is not that pivotal

And is not the go to option every time

[urban portal]

i mean you can check rn

[waxen frigate]

There are definitely use cases for the passive one

[urban portal]

and yeah its not even pivotal

its just the best simming

[waxen frigate]

I don’t remember the name

[urban portal]

focus magic

[waxen frigate]

Incanter’s flow or some shit

[urban portal]

focus magic trading is a dps up

if you had someone to trade w you

[waxen frigate]

No the one that goes up and down every few sec

[urban portal]

oh yea

[waxen frigate]

Not anymore

[urban portal]

cuz gera i guess

[waxen frigate]

Not since 9.0 I don’t think

[sick sentinel]

i remember i liked using incanters flow, but i went into mage discord in like 9.0 and they are like "nooooo you can never pick that one you have to pick ROP"

[urban portal]

theres also nothing interesting about run

[sick sentinel]

probably more nuance to it than that but

[urban portal]

ohter than standing still

[south zealot]

well its just objectively more damage

[vestal moat]

is stun grenade gonna be decent now? it's been buffed almost 100%

[south zealot]

if u can use the rune properly

[waxen frigate]

Not in all situations

[south zealot]

if u can use the rune properly ^

[waxen frigate]

Most yes

[sick sentinel]

whats good about rune of power is it also pops your main CD, ignite AP or probably blizzard or some shit

[waxen frigate]

Icy veins

[sick sentinel]

right

[waxen frigate]

And combust not ignite

Ignite is the passive iirc

Icy veins is weird tho

Very odd ability atm imo

[sick sentinel]

i wasn't very good at playing warrior tank

i don't expect i'll be very good at mage

[urban portal]

ye thats what im saying

its not interesting

just best simming

incanters flow pretty interesting

also can timing cheese

[cinder storm]

You were probably decent Yogi, you just lack faith in yourself

[lusty tiger]

[cinder storm]

If you can't push yourself as a tank you won't be able to become better

[urban portal]

tank is the only calss that cant get carried

[south zealot]

any wanna do a 12 lower

[urban portal]

and the only calss that can solo carry

[south zealot]

someone carry my alt pls

[urban portal]

i can if you pay for my sub

[sick sentinel]

i dunno

[urban portal]

just expired

[cinder storm]

You can carry a tank, you can't carry a healer

[sick sentinel]

i got carried tgouh the last 2 dungeonws i was in i on those keys

on my mage

[urban portal]

nah you can def 4 man a dung without healers

in 15s

when i first started

CE healers were struggling

i was that powerful

[sick sentinel]

mythic raiders having trouble with something in world of warcraft

things that don't exist for 1000

[cinder storm]

Assuming the other 3 DPS know how to play, on a 15

Raid only players are bad

M+ players are chad

M+ and mythic raiders are gigschads

[waxen frigate]

Raid tanking zzz

Put a raid only tank in M+ and watch them crumble

[oblique garnet]

[lusty tiger]

a dungeon is just a 30min bossfight for a tank

[carmine rain]

i know yall gonna say check pins but .... first technique is not good for warrs in m+?

[lusty tiger]

bis

use it

farm it

hold it tight

[cinder storm]

Codex bad

[carmine rain]

i keep telling my friends its not that great because of what the pins say

but they keep calling em dumb

[cinder storm]

Find new friends

[lusty tiger]

^

[oblique garnet]

Yeah its even worse now as it was found out that it only works on things coded as autoattacks

[lusty tiger]

how worthless

[oblique garnet]

Well considering it could have been useful on fights like medivh or sylvanas finding that out removes pretty much any reason to go for it

[cinder storm]

Codex was only good when it was auto taunting

[toxic pewter]

Does rdm have an internal cooldown

How often does it even proc

[urban portal]

ppm

i think its like 2.75/m

simc and AMR has that info

[toxic pewter]

Ok ty

[warm plinth]

AMR

[warm plinth]

It's 2ppm. Most trinkets you can look up on wowhead and hover over the text that shows the proc and it'll tell you in that tooltip.

[toxic pewter]

holy shit

just got 304 shield from mythic tarragrue

WOW

@chrome falcon u were right i made my own raid

[urban portal]

its 50/50 if wowhead shows

but AMR always has it

for some reason

dont see anything ehre

AMR unironically not bad

[onyx vessel]

Decanter bis

[royal lodge]

Grats, I made my own also and failed to get shield.

[onyx vessel]

Reactive + ows