And yeah, tell your DPS not to be apes and immediately pop lust and every cd to top their damage meters.
#protection
floral solar
coral marsh
you lust first and last boss?
dawn canyon
floral solar
you lust first and last boss?
Being slightly hyperbolic.
royal lodge
Communication is the key. Tell them to wait to drop their AoEs until you move the bosses.
dawn canyon
"gathering then blast"
this is the great thing abt kyr dps warrior, tank cant drag shit out of spear
even in sanguine
topaz field
and the best part is since they are all dpsing
dawn canyon
topaz field
u always get the first reflect
coral marsh
well i told them to stack at the back of the room and then just heroic threw and went into the corner
chrome falcon
yeah ok
topaz field
because they cannot concentrate on kicks
coral marsh
that didnt work, i guess spam some aoe before
chrome falcon
so you didn't press any buttons
royal lodge
Also, you can ask a rogue or hunter help you keep aggro.
chrome falcon
i don't know how you expect to generate threat on 3 mobs by pressing heroic throw
you have to do something
coral marsh
i mean they werent close
coral marsh
should have aggrod me just by proximity
chrome falcon
proximity doesn't generate any threat
your healer probably had a hot on you
and your dps probably used some dots
which is a very reasonable thing for both of them to do
you can't just do nothing
that's bad for everyone
floral solar
should have aggrod me just by proximity
Boss encounters also work differently from trash. You can aggro a trash pack and your DPS can still be outside of combat. Boss encounters generally put the entire party into combat and thus are eligible targets to smack.
coral marsh
k i just spam aoe and then run into corner
dawn canyon
press button > no press button
chrome falcon
no
you just
do one revenge
or TC
and then go
you don't have to spam anything
lofty widget
nah what you do is, tell your entire team to go stand in the corner
HT, then drop ravager before bosses come
so even if they get aggro theyll come to you
chrome falcon
this also works but i'm assuming a pug
lofty widget
and youll pick them up before they get hit
yeah but you can just mark the spot and tell them to go there
chrome falcon
ravager as they round the corner is definitely the play though
topaz field
"go corner" that is pug language
chrome falcon
placing a world marker and saying "go corner" is going to have like
a 75% effectiveness rating
some pugs will still not manage that
coral marsh
it didnt matter really anyways, shroud without distract killed the run
chrome falcon
especially in EU where half the population literally does not speak a word of english
apart from "go" which they spam while you're discussing strat before you start
dawn canyon
love having to swap to german so this mf does WS boss 1 right
floral solar
some pugs will still not manage that
I would hope that once you get into the 20s it'd be better but remembering what you said about that workshop key of yours.....
dawn canyon
i say yo
topaz field
i dont expect them to participate in any helpful way
dawn canyon
do i qualify
orchid garden
well u make the iq test before the run
Also don’t go with beastmaster hunters, retris or alliance Druids.
lofty widget
retris blast wdym
topaz field
Also don’t go with beastmaster hunters, retris or alliance Druids.
hey hey hey im a nelf druid and i guarantee you have never been healed that good before in your life
chrome falcon
ret owns
dawn canyon
you have to check the realm
orchid garden
retris blast wdym
99% of rets aren’t capable of playing right now. Whysoever
orchid garden
hey hey hey im a nelf druid and i guarantee you have never been healed that good...
How much dps do you deal?
Nightfae or Necro?
Which affinity?
lofty widget
i havent had a single bad ret in my groups this season
dawn canyon
absolute monkey
lofty widget
small sample size (2) but still
chrome falcon
i havent had a single bad ret in my groups this season
my perspective on rets is so skewed because the only 2 i know are top 50 players
orchid garden
i havent had a single bad ret in my groups this season
I didn’t have a single good one in shadowlands.
lofty widget
same
chrome falcon
maybe this means there are only 50 ret players
but most of the time if you have a ret applying to like a +20
dawn canyon
both feral druids i played with this expansion were good
chrome falcon
that dude knows how to paly ret
undone verge
Fr, Sylvanas and some of the new trash packs got me sweating
topaz field
the rets are divine storming before i charge into the pack
dawn canyon
althought blueprynt 😳
topaz field
i dont know how they do it
dawn canyon
i dont know how they do it
pooled hp ig
chrome falcon
my ret is the only player i still lose aggro to
topaz field
last week i played with ret and fury was kinda pepega
orchid garden
last week i played with ret and fury was kinda pepega
Tell me about your Druid. I want to know if you are in the alliance scheme or not.
dawn canyon
arm aggro also fuck good
burst 140k and parry 
they just dont have damage every pull so when they have shit you 100% have toll/wings
topaz field
Tell me about your Druid. I want to know if you are in the alliance scheme or no...
i mean obviously u play necro in keys if u arent retarded and my dps is around 5-6 k without dausegne (that was last season)
dawn canyon
btw for damage as rdu
orchid garden
Okay that’s above 99.999% of all alliance restodruids
dawn canyon
you play desaug + scars, ye?
orchid garden
Good job
dawn canyon
topaz field
yes u always play dausegne for padding dmg
minor helm
Sausage has a trinket?
coral marsh
i personally filter druid heals with an addon they always do low heal
waxen frigate
Okay that’s above 99.999% of all alliance restodruids
can confirm, did a 20 with a guildie who is an ally resto druid yesterday on my BDK alt
dawn canyon
i have an rdu friend and he wants to get his r1 dps logs for keys so he's asking around whats good
orchid garden
you play desaug + scars, ye?
Halo is absolutely BiS.
Scars 2nd best for output, but can bring you in bad situations. Most ppl don’t like scars
topaz field
Sausage has a trinket?
its boomie loot
waxen frigate
she did 6k hps and 1.6k dps overall
minor helm
chrome falcon
sausage trinket pumps for healers
topaz field
its disgusting how much dmg it does
dawn canyon
and for st youd run what
orchid garden
i personally filter druid heals with an addon they always do low heal
Druid has the highest healing output in the game right now
undone verge
she did 6k hps and 1.6k dps overall <:critcake:984549832511344640>
Sounds like most of my resto druids 
orchid garden
It’s just that many players are very bad
topaz field
druid is the best healer in the game right now
but ppl want PI
because they are stupid
orchid garden
PI is an argument.
topaz field
ofc its super valuable
waxen frigate
Druid has the highest healing output in the game right now
healing throughput isn't always valuable
chrome falcon
PI is huge for dam and GS is huge for random stupid 1 shot bullshit
topaz field
we arent dks we dont get oneshot
orchid garden
she did 6k hps and 1.6k dps overall <:critcake:984549832511344640>
With that hps you should rather be at 7k dps or more. 1,6k dps is mostly being afk. A single spell is more dps
chrome falcon
no i'm just explaining why holy is the most popular healer
also
other people do get one shot
topaz field
ye holy also has fantastic healing
but resto druid has more healing without even playing a healing lego
waxen frigate
but resto druid has more healing without even playing a healing lego
ok what are you gonna do with that healing
you dont need it
orchid garden
Rdruid also has some insane dps output due to the haste scaling with the affix. But most players are bad and others don’t understand.
glacial ivy
K thx!
topaz field
yes rDruid has the best st dmg which is very important this tier
waxen frigate
tell that to the rdruids i run with
topaz field
ok what are you gonna do with that healing
i put that heal into your squishy brewmaster who gets half his health deleted by 1 claw
waxen frigate
i put that heal into your squishy brewmaster who gets half his health deleted by...
🤨
topaz field
u started the bitching
waxen frigate
chill lmao
topaz field
im joking friend
orchid garden
tell that to the rdruids i run with
On gambit 2nd boss I did almost 13k dps as Restodruid.
Tell your druids to pump more.
waxen frigate
wack
waxen frigate
im joking friend
but also a brew shouldnt need healing after claws
it hurts because for whatever reason its magic dmg but
one keg or EH ez dub
dawn canyon
yes rDruid has the best st dmg which is very important this tier
how does it compare to kyr Hpri i legit got no clue 
topaz field
not having urh hurts holy a lot
for his ST dmg
i think shami would be better in terms of pure dps
but ye then again u have to count in PI + Fae
but who the fuck enjoys pi
topaz field
ye or make it group wide
orchid garden
how does it compare to kyr Hpri i legit got no clue <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Best logs I can find deal 6-6.5k dps on the same boss
With about zero healing.
Oh here is one with 8.7k dps
waxen frigate
i think shami would be better in terms of pure dps
rsham i run with usually does 8k+ dps
overall
and about the same hps overall
dawn canyon
hps overall doesnt really matter
waxen frigate
yea
delicate parrot
What is a good number for overall damage on m-a-+
waxen frigate
but just as a metric
delicate parrot
M+**
waxen frigate
What is a good number for overall damage on m-a-+
it really depends
key level, dungeon, affixes, comp, route
delicate parrot
And what spells should I use for damage
topaz field
Best logs I can find deal 6-6.5k dps on the same boss
dont get baited because Holy priest has to run his flash heal lego in order to heal higher keys
delicate parrot
Should it be shield slam or revenge
dawn canyon
both
orchid garden
rsham i run with usually does 8k+ dps
Yeah but Druid can do the same. It all comes down to the group. I have seen Druids doing over 10k overall in a key.
orchid garden
dont get baited because Holy priest has to run his flash heal lego in order to h...
Yeah I know
civic torrent
Managed to get a 4th place log on Guardian with 278 weapon overall 288 ilvl
Pretty pleased
waxen frigate
Yeah but Druid can do the same. It all comes down to the group. I have seen Drui...
Not disagreeing with you there, just responding to the rsham comment
I havent run with enough good druids to compare
orchid garden
Yeah, as I said, most Druids are bad.
topaz field
Not disagreeing with you there, just responding to the rsham comment
you are brew u will love Druid
orchid garden
If you see one playing balance affinity instead of feral, or playing Nightfae, better not take him.
topaz field
druid and CF healing is crazy
orchid garden
And search for another healer.
topaz field
especially couz u pick crit buff
waxen frigate
druid and CF healing is crazy
ok so
thats not a real thing
it seems like it is
but it's not
statistically it averages out over the course of a key
in terms of hps
waxen frigate
that's true
I like running with good rdruids
it just seems like most rdruids aren't very good
I wish there was a way to see breakdown of my CF
topaz field
i dont understand that since it was the meta heal in bfa
but ye everytime i run with a druid their healing is decent but they are unable to dps
because they are too lazy to read dmg rotation
it seems
orchid garden
druid and CF healing is crazy
what do you mean with cf healing?
waxen frigate
what do you mean with cf healing?
monk has a passive called celestial fortune
topaz field
what do you mean with cf healing?
every hot's tick has a chance to proc CF
waxen frigate
every time we receive healing, we have a % chance equal to our crit % to get 65% extra heals from that spell
orchid garden
ah okay
waxen frigate
every hot's tick has a chance to proc CF
it's just that you get very small heals from that vs big ones from bigger casts
hence why i said it averages out
depends on the content really
topaz field
idk but when i ran keys recently with priest as Prot war it felt horrible
waxen frigate
🤔
winged sage
How do we feel about enforcer stun grenade trinket?
dawn canyon
meh
strong forum
Meh
waxen frigate
no mainstat
orchid garden
it just seems like most rdruids aren't very good
Just read my post above. Look at their affinity and covenant. If they are not Necro + Feral aff, don't go with them.
waxen frigate
Just read my post above. Look at their affinity and covenant. If they are not Ne...
oh they are
they're just not good
topaz field
i mean thats rude because some of the best druids in the world run NF and boomie
and they are completely fine with that
its a no brainer having convoke
orchid garden
i mean thats rude because some of the best druids in the world run NF and boomie
And thats the big problem. It's much worse
and their performance is also very bad
orchid garden
Convoke is much less healing and dps compared to Necro. We're having that discussion every day in the druid discord
uneven wagon
but its less fun
waxen frigate
until they solve your tanking mistakes during sanguine with a typhoon
couldnt hear you over the vortex sucking them back in
uneven wagon
haha funny spells go brrrrrr
oblique garnet
Convoke is much less healing and dps compared to Necro. We're having that discus...
Love resto druids who go necro
Actually doing more than 2k overall dps
topaz field
nah but thats not necro dif xD
kyrian isnt far behind
and if it wasnt nerfed so hard everyone would run kyrian druid
and no priest would exist
uneven mason
Druids being the low dose healer this xpac..
waxen frigate
I still think you’re overvaluing HPS throughput
If that was what mattered in keys mistweaver wouldn’t suck
topaz field
well druid is the tankiest out of all healers
orchid garden
Actually doing more than 2k overall dps
wtf
uneven mason
u cannoit die
It's not legion level immortality though
topaz field
your conduit gives u 24% more hp when u enter bear form
which makes it impossible to get oneshot
orchid garden
your conduit gives u 24% more hp when u enter bear form
which also works with flashcraft, giving you 60k absorb shields
Thats nice to have as healer
topaz field
but since the kids only see priest in television they all want priests
orchid garden
This is right.
topaz field
same like prot war that ppl are still surprised about his dmg
strong forum
Fuck priests
topaz field
even tho it is the case for half a year
elder bay
I do find myself on my rdruid not being able to dps bc everyone is taking so much dmg. of course I pug
topaz field
Half of them can't heal
finally some priest hate
strong forum
And none of them can survive the smallest little bit of dmg
Such a weird meta pick
I hate it
sick sentinel
priests come with the hard mode blue bar that needs to be replenished regularly
orchid garden
I do find myself on my rdruid not being able to dps bc everyone is taking so muc...
Play draught. 4 gcds and most of your damage is running.
sick sentinel
i mean all healers have the blue bar, but priests seem to empty out that blue bar faster than arcane mage
strong forum
That's mistweaver
sick sentinel
usually priests i notice want to sit and wait for mana
topaz field
usually priests i notice want to sit and wait for mana
i assume they lose stacks on their lego
and have to refill the 5 stacks
because they are bad af
sick sentinel
yes, priests angel frequently in keys as well
strong forum
FC is bait legendary until extremely high keys
sick sentinel
zero armor
sick sentinel
at least they have fade
waxen frigate
on god they got that fresh fade bro clean asf
dire tulip
Hey, I played prot warrior on WoD and I was curious if current prot warriors are any good ? I have almost every other tank, but I miss my prot warrior
topaz field
they are the best
dawn canyon
they are very good
topaz field
if u ignore the fact that dk exists
dawn canyon
people dont recognize it but prot fuck good
lofty widget
very good if played well, but the skill floor is significantly higher than other tanks
topaz field
the yasuo of tanks
lofty widget
so takes some time to get used to
dire tulip
if u ignore the fact that dk exists
all tanks ignore DK exists
uneven mason
He didn't use the word viable, he definitely has the brain power to prot.
topaz field
it is for sure the most alpha tank
i started taking steroids again after playing prot
dire tulip
What changed? I know they were struggling for a while. Did the ignore pain change do that much for them ?
dire tulip
Recently in SL
lofty widget
we havent been struggling since 9.0.5 when we got reprisal
it's all community perception
topaz field
yep prot is fine every since reprisal
it got buffed 2-3 times in SL iirc
and with every buff just better
dire tulip
I know they are looking sexy in dragonflight. I didn't realize they were good already. I have been rocking the monk. I may main swap
topaz field
but be warned its not brewmaster easy level of play
dire tulip
Brewmaster is easy to play, but hard to master.
Like you can really tell the difference between good brewmaster and bad brewmaster
topaz field
well i think thats the difference between a good and a bad tank in general
topaz field
ye brew has his out of jail card
dire tulip
Yeah but some tanks you feel it more than others. Like dh is slam face on keyboard
dire tulip
What do I need to focus on when learning prot warr?
topaz field
u are basically a brewmaster but wise around
urban portal
dh is def no slam face on keyboard
topaz field
if u facetank
urban portal
until recently
halcyon orchid
Get a wrist support and a wrist bracer, until the pain goes away
royal lodge
wrists strength
LoL
halcyon orchid
Then ignore more pain
topaz field
can u stop 😄 or hes continuing to play brew
@dire tulip do u know how prot works in general?
dire tulip
I was playing my prot warrior in duengon leveling up, is downtime common for them? I feel like it is shield slam, shield block, thunder clap, revenge and ignore pain are my big skills, but I either am down rage or everything is on CD. Is that common ? I feel I am just bad or have too low secondaries leveling with that
urban portal
downtime is never common
dire tulip
<@376537592575033345> do u know how prot works in general?
Not well. I haven't played almost any since bfa
urban portal
prot warrior has the highest apm by far out of any spec
halcyon orchid
Reprisal and tier definitely help with rage
dawn canyon
I was playing my prot warrior in duengon leveling up, is downtime common for the...
you tripple your rage gen at max level
topaz field
Not well. I haven't played almost any since bfa
from a defensive perspective not much has change from bfa in terms of pressing shieldblock is key (u play reprisal to improve shieldblock uptime)
cinder storm
On a leveling dungeon you are fine barely pressing defensives
dire tulip
I understand tank pretty well
oblique garnet
Downtime is common unless you have 4 set
uneven mason
Leveling up as pro certainly carries a lot of downtime
oblique garnet
4 set and 2x legendaries + necro speed it up
waxen frigate
I was playing my prot warrior in duengon leveling up, is downtime common for the...
its completely different at max
urban portal
2 set is where everything starts ramping
undone verge
I was playing my prot warrior in duengon leveling up, is downtime common for the...
What level are you?
urban portal
you should lose all downtime with reprisal
uneven mason
Biggest hurdles pre gear is rage management
dire tulip
49
waxen frigate
prepare to basically learn a new class when you hit 60 and get leggos/gear
dire tulip
Lol shit
uneven mason
Yeah at that level you're going to be rage starving alot
cinder storm
Hello wrist pain my old frieeend
chrome falcon
https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedruner-gif-20263880
i need to reupload my video with this constantly running on the corner
dire tulip
Lol
undone verge
Yeah, there’s a little downtime leveling up cause you literally don’t have the rage gen, but it goes away quickly once you get necro+leggos+tier set
waxen frigate
i need to reupload my video with this constantly running on the corner
one of my favorite wow-related videos uses it like that
dawn canyon
i need to reupload my video with this constantly running on the corner
over your chat
chrome falcon
that video is an eternal banger
undone verge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24
Every fight lol
ionic fern
Everyone thinking that prot warriors are sweating..
Meanwhile the average prot warrior with 40 CPM thinking they are rocking 100% banner up-time..
chrome falcon
instant classic
waxen frigate
easily best meme of shadowlands
undone verge
Everyone thinking that prot warriors are sweating..
Meanwhile the average prot w...
Who has 40 CPM and can keep up banner? That’s more impressive than 100 CPM
cinder storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24
Bdk/bear vs pwar
ionic fern
People come in here with "I got 100% banner up-time but my DPS is low".
And then we get logs
dire tulip
I am not looking forward to halondrus this week.
waxen frigate
Bdk/bear vs pwar
literally anything vs pwarr/outlaw
ionic fern
And see that they have like 40 CPM and 30% banner up-time
dire tulip
I was DH and halondrus shit on me every pull.
waxen frigate
VDH?
undone verge
And see that they have like 40 CPM and 30% banner up-time
Honestly having 40 CPM at all is impressively bad
ionic fern
No, not really.
undone verge
Unless they’re like fresh 60 without tier
undone verge
Yeah probably
lofty widget
40-50 is what ppl usually link in logs
waxen frigate
I was DH and halondrus shit on me every pull.
i played brew for halondrus so I was basically afk solo tanking
lmao
dire tulip
Is necro the go to tier?
dawn canyon
Is necro the go to tier?
necrolord everywhere
dire tulip
i played brew for halondrus so I was basically afk solo tanking
Dh has to sit on the boss and life steal to survive. Brew master should be easier, but it sucked prior
undone verge
I guess since I always play pwarrior I never see any other pwarriors so yeah prob overestimate lol
waxen frigate
Yeah i hate my VDH in raid
undone verge
VDH and BMM are my least favorite ST raid tanks
dire tulip
Yeah i hate my VDH in raid
It only sucked on halondrus and rygalon. Everything else was good
waxen frigate
brew is fun if you make the most of it
chrome falcon
You severly overestimate people.
people gotta remember that the people posting in here are the ones who actually care about improving
there are countless people doing worse than them who just don't realise or don't care
waxen frigate
but even then yeah on some fights it felt zzz
undone verge
Brew without tier set makes me want to torpedo my ass off the side of the boss room
zealous willow
Guys holy priest or resto druid i want to try healer
uneven mason
people gotta remember that the people posting in here are the ones who actually ...
I mean most of us
waxen frigate
which means, with stagger, you're unkillable
ionic fern
people gotta remember that the people posting in here are the ones who actually ...
Never forgetti
waxen frigate
unless you're like me and have to do xymox when you're really tired and you literally run straight off the edge of the platform 4 times because you forgot to set transcendence
that was a rough night
undone verge
unless you're like me and have to do xymox when you're really tired and you lite...
Our BMM struggled on Sylvanas in 9.1
waxen frigate
jailer was only hard because of keg smash travel time on pull
undone verge
Wasn’t even that, it was the tank mechanic in p2
dire tulip
How good is the warrior tier?
chrome falcon
insane
oblique garnet
Best tank tier
undone verge
How good is the warrior tier?
S tier
topaz field
How good is the warrior tier?
insanely good
waxen frigate
chrome falcon
i don't think you can even quantify how much rage it generates
dire tulip
Better than brew tier? That is crazy
waxen frigate
Better than brew tier? That is crazy
most of the tank tiers are cracked
undone verge
It makes necro insanely good
waxen frigate
brew just has the issue of being an incredibly mid tank regardless
uneven mason
Gonna check
I think my first is gone with the BFA beta prot channel
lofty widget
doubled our rage gen or close to
topaz field
well brew tier is the most boring tier in the game so yes
waxen frigate
our tier just keeps us mid
dire tulip
Brew tier is straight busted. I want prot to be as good
chrome falcon
brew tier is giga broken strong no matter what
0 thought required
if you play badly enough, our tier can do almost nothing
waxen frigate
brew tier fundamentally breaks brewmaster's balance
topaz field
we seem to forget that dk has the most fucking busted tier ever created
dire tulip
0 thought required
It isnl less 0 thought, and more it just reinforces the same play
lofty widget
every tank has it good 
waxen frigate
not bear
topaz field
the first time i saw a dk on necrotic was eye opening
waxen frigate
undone verge
Personally I choose to spend all my outburst on TC and drop banner after 34 seconds
topaz field
how he stood still and good zero necrotic stacks
waxen frigate
the first time i saw a dk on necrotic was eye opening
"what necrotic?" - DKs
lofty widget
they had it too good in the beginning
dire tulip
"what necrotic?" - DKs
It is the dps dk's slappy hands
waxen frigate
tbh brew kinda bussin on necrotic too
undone verge
I remember seeing a dk do necrotic gambit 20 start of S3 and was amazed
waxen frigate
because our tier healing ignores the debuff
undone verge
Just parry necrotic
waxen frigate
at least the max hp does
sorry couldnt hear you from the floor when you're not in incarn
waxen frigate
fairly sure the healing is seperate from max hp
it is
but
idk i still get healed giga during necrotic
so
thats why, what gaga just said
since it's % of damage done as healing
undone verge
Waiting for inspiring necrotic week as a pwarrior in DF
undone verge
Although we giga busted still so im not worried unless we get nerfed
lofty widget
bad
undone verge
better than this week imo
chrome falcon
bolster is pretty easy in these dungeons i think?
lofty widget
explosives is the shittiest affix atm
minor helm
Also stands for hold W cause that’s the best route
waxen frigate
explosives is the shittiest affix atm
L take
lofty widget
idm bolster
waxen frigate
explosive is easy
chrome falcon
finding explosives in grimrail btw
waxen frigate
rsham and/or outlaw rogue
undone verge
Just make the healer do it
waxen frigate
zzz
chrome falcon
oh my god
urban portal
esplosive is hard when you are pulling 20
lofty widget
its just so much clutter
oblique garnet
finding explosives in grimrail btw
probably naturally los on half of them
topaz field
everyone whos saying explo is a problem must be joking
undone verge
Wait you guys pull those mobs to group them? Just wait for pats to line up
topaz field
explosives had 30 k hp in bfa
oblique garnet
you can pull gauntlet
chrome falcon
i mean explosive is annoying as hell
oblique garnet
And kill them with stars
undone verge
I suppose pulling mobs back but just los explosive
topaz field
its a dmg increase for ww
cinder storm
We can always do legion keys
topaz field
and as a passionate healer
lofty widget
im not saying its a problem, just that its an annoying affix cause of all the nameplates
topaz field
i tell u explo is completely irrelevant
undone verge
We can always do legion keys
Didn’t they say they’re not doing legion m+
topaz field
because if u cant solo them u suck
cinder storm
Explosives we're only bad when you couldn't tab them for a while
chrome falcon
it's objectively not "completely irrelevant"
it costs globals
and it's annoying as fuck
lofty widget
any explosives want my outburst SS? 
chrome falcon
^
topaz field
well u do zero as tank obviously
oblique garnet
Doesnt matter you get rage either way
Just wish they would still give victory rush
cinder storm
False
chrome falcon
explosives are everyone's problem
lofty widget
i mean you can say that but realistically everyone should be focusing on them
chrome falcon
anyone who sees an explosive and just doesn't hit it because "healer job lmao" is insane
topaz field
ye i guess exyplo is pug unfriendly
lofty widget
or have an eye for them rather
topaz field
because there are certain pulls your healer has to pump
and doing explo is not gonna happen
sick sentinel
how mutch haste and Versa should i aim for?
topaz field
but i also play ww and it is the dream scenario on tyra week
lofty widget
ilvl
chrome falcon
ilvl
undone verge
I mean im kinda joking, but mainly healer and dps get explosives and tanks kinda help out if they aren’t getting killed
topaz field
healer has to do them
topaz field
most of them
oblique garnet
tank/healer usually do explos
chrome falcon
i want my warlocks and hunters to be spending their time aoe blasting
lofty widget
yup
chrome falcon
not raptor striking explosives
undone verge
I mean that’s why the healer does most of them
cinder storm
Or just being a frost mage along, they handle explosives with little dps loss
urban portal
dps gain for ww
undone verge
Frost shock ftw
cinder storm
Ice lance when they are aoe blasting
topaz field
what do u mean u play necro atm and have to frostbolt
sick sentinel
of all the mage specs, i find arcane most interesting and i guess most flexible
topaz field
your aoe dmg comes from casting frost bolt
sick sentinel
but, i like all 3 mage specs alot
cinder storm
I'm talking about hitting explosives
cinder storm
So it's better to cast a frostbolt than it is to use an ice lance?
topaz field
im not 100 % sure but as necro frost which is the current play u only press frost bolt i think
in aoe at least
dunno if they still play that frozen orb lego
sick sentinel
i dont know which frost mage is the best one, i just made a random frost mage leggo based on the 291 hands i had in bag
cinder storm
If you can't tab for a few seconds an explosive with an insta, if you are in a party with let's say a surv or a lock, you are just trolling
sick sentinel
i just wanted to have an option for frost mage just in case
topaz field
but i guess u only play frost if u are too bad for fire
cinder storm
Frost better be losing some dps than what a lock or a surv would
sick sentinel
it usually does exceptionally well on AOE yes
cinder storm
Extremely high is an overstatement
topaz field
i mean i hear that from crims and gangam
who are mdi/tgp players
i think they are correct
but its a fucking 3 minute cd class
cinder storm
In what setting are they describing it as strong?
sick sentinel
bring a frost mage to your next fort+necrotic
topaz field
in big aoe
sick sentinel
you will see
cinder storm
On regular keys or MDI keys?
cinder storm
It does
topaz field
well mdi key level is the regular player key lvl
waxen frigate
well mdi key level is the regular player key lvl
You don’t play the keys the same though
waxen frigate
well since there is no mdi this season
There’s TGP
Which is generally lumped in as “MDI keys”
In terms of common slang
waxen frigate
no tgp is high end keys
I’m aware
But when people talk about MDI keys
They just mean high end
topaz field
the last mdi was around 24-26 right?
waxen frigate
Whether that’s giga pull speedrunning or giga high keys
They are different technically but in actual use are conflates
sick sentinel
yeah, no idea where i saw it or who said it or what POV they played but they basically said "on the mdi they pull the dungeon in 3-4 packs and in my group we struggled through it pulling probably 20 pulls" ( i think this person was a priest healer for some reason but no idea)
about the start of S4
and that really sums it up
waxen frigate
im not 100 % sure but as necro frost which is the current play u only press fros...
Fae Frost is still very strong in aoe
cinder storm
MDI for those team would be for the vast majority of players, trying to do 10s as fast as they can
sick sentinel
im not doing a +24 key trying to beat the key in 14 minutes with 7 pulls
and i'll never ever be that good
cinder storm
Live keys are meant to be done consistent and safe
sick sentinel
i'm playing arcane NF with wild hunt, cuz im banking on that i can probably get huge uptimes on rune of power
cinder storm
not when im tanking
sick sentinel
15 and then 12 seconds so, 27 seconds, and then you hit shifting power after all the cd's is blown, AP/totm both back up again
i dunno why TF but my kyrian on arcane isnt 80 for some reason, i know i played him mostly as necro
waxen frigate
basedddd
cinder storm
There's a sad truth I've had to deal playing with bad players constantly, you can pull big and fast but when their reactions are slow it matters not if you tell them what to do or what to kick. I have to tone down my pulls size
undone verge
‘Please kick shadowcore’
sick sentinel
here's another complication to what you just said
in a pug, as a tank, you have to judge how well the group can handle the pack or not
cinder storm
Please don't kick shadow core I'm spell reflecting ... Ok now you can kick...kick? Pls kick
sick sentinel
and you may have no idea if they are with it or not in the first large pack where you just combined all everything 3 packs
chrome falcon
"never kick burning blast if my kick is up"
undone verge
The only time they ever kick is when I spell reflect
sick sentinel
is that at us?
lofty widget
dps only understand absolutes. it's either "dont kick" or "kick on cd"
chrome falcon
it's going to get worse in DF
undone verge
Zero interrupt groups
sick sentinel
is this all the non dps interups in the box?
cinder storm
The only time they ever kick is when I spell reflect
They never fail even with a yell macro..."welp guess it's our time to overlap all our kicks in this one add"
sick sentinel
i know everyone of those icons except for whats top row, above the priest one and paladin one
probably DH shit
undone verge
I love when the dps inflate their kicks on worthless spells that don’t even do anything, meanwhile the tank buster is getting off
Or when they kick the flame cast on medivh when ice cast and tank buster are going off
cinder storm
probably DH shit
Dk boomy mage druid are on top row
sick sentinel
monster is casting HEAL........ goes off..... ...."huh?? wtf?? why did he heal!!"
cinder storm
On tyrannical weeks medivh dps telling you to not kick missiles
I can use defs and stuff now on a 15 I said but on a higher key, f that
undone verge
I love when dps complain about casts getting off while they have their interrupt
sick sentinel
i almost want to unbounded jump from my caster classes
chilly brook
Why would you do that
sick sentinel
cuz i probably have a tendency to jump mid casts just from play melee
undone verge
I can use defs and stuff now on a 15 I said but on a higher key, f that
Middles blast me even in lower keys, like on a 15 that’s a shield wall right there, anything higher, fuck that I’m saving kick for that
chilly brook
Jump is like the easiest way to cancel casts
sick sentinel
stops the cast
sick sentinel
ye, i'd stop all kinds of casts way to early
sick sentinel
am yogi, is unfixable
chilly brook
It is with that mentality
chrome falcon
only because you keep insisting that it is
cinder storm
Understandable, move on
chilly brook
Might as well uninstall tbh
sick sentinel
disengage is both cursed and based
cinder storm
Reading about firefighting they use a phrase that helps them in hectic environments which is something I've always used in WoW since "move with a purpose"
People who are jumping from side to side with no reason to be just because they are bored or anxious...idk
undone verge
Why do that when I can jump into the fire by accident
elder sand
hey guys im new to warrior and already looked at the pins just want to make sure theyre up to date and relevant, im doing casual M+ (maybe up to +13 keys) and want to know if reprisal is still the way to go
undone verge
Yes
lofty widget
yep
cinder storm
Yes
undone verge
100%
elder sand
thanks!
undone verge
We all do
chrome falcon
get that mount
elder sand
I just came back to the game since S1 😄
sick sentinel
i saw a bunch of people with the new mount posing in oribos
cinder storm
If you are here, you'll be doing 20s in no time, welcome to carpal tunnel gang
sick sentinel
felt like going to photobomb them but didnt
chrome falcon
that's fine plenty of time to catch up and get that 2k
undone verge
Is grimrail completely ass or is that just me?
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
definitely needs practice
lofty widget
i think its pretty good tbh
sick sentinel
mage progress so far
lofty widget
now that i ran it a few times
undone verge
Cause like that was the only dungeon I was getting fucked on
chrome falcon
i really hated it at the start of this week
undone verge
It’s just the fire and frontals
chrome falcon
but now i'm getting used to it i +3'd a 21 with a pug
but if you get really bad nightmare clouds
it's just fucked
lofty widget
yea gotta get used to aiming frontals and moving for flametounge
undone verge
I’ll have to watch a vid on it
lofty widget
but thats like the only 2 things that will fuck you over
chrome falcon
ideally flametongue never happens
chrome falcon
lofty widget
also had to tell my dps to stop stunning the shrapnel blasts
chrome falcon
does that reflect actually do good dam?
cinder storm
I hope they don't fix the iron docks 2nd boss "glitch"
sick sentinel
mostly i get nervous on my mage if i have to get in close while big pull starts so im close enough to do all my crap and AE, like to make sure im not getting aggro or slammed by something
chrome falcon
same that boss is super fucked if you have to do it for real
so many traps that are hard to see
makes reprisal a nightmare
elder sand
I hope they don't fix the iron docks 2nd boss "glitch"
what glitch?
chrome falcon
tank them in the corner
sick sentinel
cuz i mean mage is pretty infamous for being 100% hp 0% hp next second
cinder storm
Yeah, they forget to casts any spells, they basically become hard hitting adds of anything
lofty widget
does that reflect actually do good dam?
6k per target in a 15, but free dmg and no one should stand in them anyway
sick sentinel
so, when i do a 10 key, what do i gotta do to collect the buff
cinder storm
Tho it's always funny when an add or the boss decides to jump out of the train
sick sentinel
i still don't really understand how its granted
waxen frigate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIWf-L64NZQ&ab_channel=DailyWoWClips
wasnt that fixed
chrome falcon
just talk to the guy at the start
and kill dreadlords
if it was nish then it was fixed in the last 24 hours
because i did it last night
sick sentinel
i have to talk to guy at start?
lofty widget
yes
sick sentinel
and then so after i talk to the dude, and we kill a vampire, we get extra action button like torghast?
cinder storm
No, you just get stacks on your buff
sand egret
You talk to the dude to declare what stat buff you want. Infiltrators gives you stacks of your choice
lofty widget
you choose a stat you want by talking to the guy at the start. every time you kill a dreadlord you get that stat
sick sentinel
you have to choose which buff you want i believe
cinder storm
Are you replying to yourself?
sick sentinel
okay now i get it
undone verge
haste verse crit mastery, verse is half as much as the other stats, and isn’t mastery like a flat amount or something instead of %?
sick sentinel
i don't even think i'll get a 10 key done, but see what happens its a 9 now
sand egret
if you pick mastery, stack it, and squint real hard, you can kinda see BoM
cinder storm
9s are usually harder than 10s, you know this already
undone verge
9s are harder than 15s cause the pugs never know what they’re doing
sick sentinel
getting a tank and healer is the only difficult part
undone verge
Did a 9 WS on my resto shaman and It was ages harder than a 15 streets we did
sick sentinel
i had a kyrian pwar in my grim rail that kept spearing everything into the sanguin
then he aight imma head out
cinder storm
At least on a 10, even if players are bad, the buff semi helps you down the line
undone verge
i had a kyrian pwar in my grim rail that kept spearing everything into the sangu...
gigachad
Hardest to easiest 9>15>10
Then a 2 is a joke cause you wait 1 minute in que and have a full group of 2100 ppl
sick sentinel
i just want to see what kind of monsters i can kill and which ones i cant
when i find something that kills me i'll quit
cinder storm
You kill them all if possible and when the route permits it
orchid garden
Does someone have a good IP tracker for the recent changes?
i use https://wago.io/IPoverlay/13 but it hasn't received an update yet
lusty tiger
To find out when your ip shield is over 9000?
orchid garden
yes
somber fjord
anything juicy for prot in legion m+
lofty widget
faulty countermeasures for dam
undone verge
Aren’t they not doing legion m+? Or is that change for DF
somber fjord
according to calendar it starts this week
waxen frigate
faulty countermeasures for dam
SFA exists tho
lofty widget
what is that
waxen frigate
guardian trink from sod
also like
idk if we're actually getting legion TW
i know it's on the calendar but i have my doubts
hazy edge
Yeah Fusion Amp wrecks fcm
urban portal
does it?
waxen frigate
yes
undone verge
I’m pretty sure we def don’t get it in DF
urban portal
i remember FCM shitting on SFA in 9.1
lusty tiger
I got a 291 earth breaker from the weekly
waxen frigate
i remember FCM shitting on SFA in 9.1
i don't even think we had legion tw then did we??
somber fjord
Came out in 9.1.5
waxen frigate
oh yeah
somber fjord
(legion m+)
waxen frigate
like december
somber fjord
yessir
urban portal
probably main stat
waxen frigate
mainstat pog
urban portal
i can see a world where both holds true
somber fjord
At least on the calendar it still even mentions getting the keystones
urban portal
one sec simming now
somber fjord
Worst case scenario we'll all know after the server maintenance gets delayed by 2 hours 😎
urban portal
yea
waxen frigate
AND you don't have to do M+ timewalking
urban portal
fairly sure FCM does more damage as a trinket
waxen frigate
huge dub
urban portal
but not as a package
dawn canyon
mythic SFA gaps FCM then
urban portal
yeah
waxen frigate
much less achievable tho
waxen frigate
since it's going to be higher prio on other specs
urban portal
this is what it looks like to me
waxen frigate
and lots of people arent even going to get to M guardian
so theyd have to token it or whatever the currency that isn't dinars is called
hazy edge
<@188762113202716672> is there a way to see the statistics of each individual pr...
There is but I don't remember how
waxen frigate
which seems like it'd be a rather low prio
somber fjord
All i know is i'll be spamming +2 vaults for CM on brew til I pass out
Imma need a mtn dew dorito buff code from activision
waxen frigate
All i know is i'll be spamming +2 vaults for CM on brew til I pass out
why
its not remotely worth for brew this season
if you want to parse you're using cache/rdm
plucky pecan
What’s the best cov for mythic plus?
mighty valley
necrolord for everything
lofty widget
worthless
waxen frigate
No lmao
lofty widget
necro is miles ahead of any other covenant
plucky pecan
Ok
mighty valley
NL >>> Kyr/NF >>>>> Venthyr
strong forum
A well played necro *
plucky pecan
Do you guys play boom or revenge in mythic plus?
waxen frigate
Revenge go brrr tho
lofty widget
well sure, not the main reason to pick it tho
strong forum
Revenge go brr without BSC already
lofty widget
bsc is more overall iirc
plucky pecan
With banner you need to plan them cd pulls
lofty widget
no
sick sentinel
Don't get it twisted guys, i'm not gunna quit being warrior cuz im gunna try out mage tho
urban portal
revenge should be more overall especially cuz we no longer have spear to burst
lofty widget
just send it, then gen/spend rage like a madman
mighty valley
oh thank god, yogi classic avi is back
lofty widget
banner should be up for the vast majority of m+
sick sentinel
i just want to see tanks in their natural enviroment and see what they do
undone verge
70%+
sick sentinel
then i can come back at it later
lofty widget
thats rare
lofty widget
and in those cases you should have banner off cd to reapply insta
urban portal
sheesh
urban portal
Venthyr actual bis
have u experimented with it in raids yet
mighty valley
I stayed faithful to venthyr so long
strong forum
Ohno, s1 plka making a return
patent osprey
Yall are SHEEP
plucky pecan
Does the cd refresh while it active?
urban portal
@toxic pewter this is your chance at redemption
sick sentinel
yeah right dude
toxic pewter
urban portal
the top prot warrior
sick sentinel
lets see venthyr prot
ocean yoke
Does the cd refresh while it active?
yep banner cd starts on cast, not expiration
urban portal
just said venth prot is op
patent osprey
If your already inting your team playing prot war Why not play venthyr ;) Vampire dream
strong forum
Venthyr prot is the secret tech to reduce your overall dps by a few thousand
Don't tell anybody
lofty widget
a few?
urban portal
100-80 is the most important part of any pull 
doing less damage in 20-0 than kyrian
plucky pecan
So if I keep banner up for 4 mins with spreading rage at the end banner will be up again or do you have the wait the cd timer 2 mins or whatever?
strong forum
No, it'll be immediately ready
The CD of banner starts after using it
Not when it fell off
plucky pecan
Okay
uneven lake
hi guys, where bis list weapons for leveling? on warrior
urban portal
its not like league
strong forum
99% of them do
strong forum
hi guys, where bis list weapons for leveling? on warrior
Heirloom
Otherwise, just whatever is highest ilvl
plucky pecan
What you do always pop with banner ?
CDs I’m talking about
Like demo last stand
Demo give you 40 rage right off the bat.
chrome falcon
you just send every CD on CD
apart from LS
which you only use during banner
but banner should always be up so
plucky pecan
Ls?
plucky pecan
Ah
chrome falcon
the only buttons that you don't use on CD
are shield wall and spell reflect
and this season you basically use them on CD anyway
warm condor
what trinkets yall using
undone verge
Cant get a trinket to save my life
warm condor
Cant get a trinket to save my life
literally same boat
warm condor
life: unsaveable
undone verge
And it’s reprisal slot too
warm condor
lmao
undone verge
Ive gotten every single fucking pair of boots multiple times
I haven’t even been farming mechagon and I’ve gotten both boots 3 times at least
chrome falcon
those are fine
you spend very little time below 50% on this class
and if you are that low you're probably deadge
undone verge
you spend very little time below 50% on this class
Wait you guys play your spec right?
I don’t
urban portal
yeah requires you to be good
lofty widget
chrome falcon
the pugs are less terrible after the weekends
lofty widget
how much you got?
undone verge
lol I should prob start actually playing the right way do I can do higher keys
chrome falcon
i just need to find a push group that needs a tank
plucky pecan
the pugs are less terrible after the weekends
True