You'd maybe see a 200 DPS difference tops
#protection
waxen orbit
drifting juniper
How much do you guys do overall in high keys rn
urban portal
bonesmith sims better on ST
waxen orbit
How much do you guys do overall in high keys rn
18k-20k
lofty widget
depends on the key
urban portal
but plague has MUCH more defensive util
lofty widget
yep
waxen orbit
If it's a low pull count dungeon, 16.5k-17.5k on the lower end
drifting juniper
ok maybe i should work on myself to get better and learn the class before discussing the soulbinds because my damage is much lower
chrome falcon
ok maybe i should work on myself to get better and learn the class before discus...
that would probably be a good option yes
chilly brook
You play Marileth and be done with it
chrome falcon
post logs
also yeah
i have played marileth and never thought about it
for like a year
drifting juniper
I am not maximing i have 2 options and i am weighing those options in my mind
chrome falcon
the only time i swapped was for double finesse on rygelon
chilly brook
I am not maximing i have 2 options and i am weighing those options in my mind
Literally trying to minmax
drifting juniper
I can't post logs, the whole website and addon don't work well withing my country and using vpn
tried it many times for sake of this discord to get some pointers but i can't
chrome falcon
i love doing a 20 grimrail and having 2 dps pick up mortar shells and never use them btw
dusk jay
does raiderio work in your country? You can send the text file I guess? not sure if thats allowed though
drifting juniper
dusk jay
no, raider.io automatically logs the dungeon
you can send the text file of that log here and we can upload it
drifting juniper
So i just start the log and end log then send the text?
urban portal
yeah and someone can uplaod it
drifting juniper
i need raiderio client right
dusk jay
ye
urban portal
you can just manual log
sweet summit
you don't need that specifically
urban portal
dont need any addon
drifting juniper
i think my main problem is pressing too much ignore pain for banner uptime and losing out on revenge
i am finishing keys from 13k to 15k
dusk jay
you can just manual log
how do you manual log?
sweet summit
remember to enable advanced combat logging in system -> network
sweet summit
can leap/intervne out last second
dusk jay
what counts as last second like after the cast goes off already or when the purple stuff is o nthe ground? whats the timing for tha
sweet summit
when the cast is nearly done
lofty widget
before the cast goes off, has to be literally last second
chilly brook
I mean overall dungeon dps has a lot to do with pull size and length of pulls tbh
orchid garden
You would be #1 on almost every key if you log them
drifting juniper
So i enabled live tracking
cinder nova
He absolutely wouldn't kekw
sweet summit
huh?
drifting juniper
what level of key should i do to test dps
orchid garden
Stupid discord is cancelling all links
oblique garnet
You would be #1 on almost every key if you log them
What
sweet summit
you can send links as long as there are no bad words in the url
lofty widget
what level of key should i do to test dps
a non-trivial one probably
drifting juniper
i don't know that word sry
orchid garden
I meant @waxen orbit
lofty widget
somewhere in the range of you highest keys probably
it's easy enough to go into an easy key like @waxen orbit and blast 
drifting juniper
ok
lofty widget
i know
waxen orbit
Oh mb misinterpreted
coral marsh
lower kara is disgustingly overtuned
dawn canyon
Wicket is evil
last pebble
bro how do you pull that much dps? lol i just did a +15 trying to learn prot and i did 7.1k lol MY blood DK pulls like 14
waxen orbit
lower kara is disgustingly overtuned
Really isn't
dawn canyon
Sent from hell to deplete keys
dawn canyon
bro how do you pull that much dps? lol i just did a +15 trying to learn prot and...
It's about proper play (banner/rage into revenge)
last pebble
is there a good guide to watch like rotation while inbanner? I tried finding youtube videos but none of them were indepth
chrome falcon
BUDDY DO I HAVE A VIDEO FOR YOU
last pebble
oh zaddy
chrome falcon
dps players blow my mind dude
this guy sat in flame vents
on a 21 workshop
and complained that the game is too hard
argent dawn EU players are a different breed
lofty widget
i stand in it just to flex on dps
chrome falcon
this was after they all failed my instruction to let me solo the first pack
no sorry this is
vent flames
or w/e
first boss
not the dog
lofty widget
yes
chrome falcon
i haven't even tried standing in it because there's no need but i respect that
dawn canyon
First pack solo thing is gnarly
lofty widget
i dont understand why youd not be behind the boss as a rogue tho
chrome falcon
i told them "everyone stay at the entrance but hunter can come with turtle and stand under mobs if he wants"
the hunter comes with me
and pops turtle
BEFORE HE EVEN JUMPS DOWN
and then still runs in and stands in 20 rockets to "help"
dawn canyon
"why you u die"
chrome falcon
then the rest of the chucklefuck brigade runs in and they all die too
chrome falcon
then i die because i've been solo tanking this pack for 45 seconds and haven't been able to hit a single rocket on them
balmy canyon
What's the advantages to soloing the first pack?
lofty widget
it's very fast
if all the rocket barrages hit one spot the pack will blow up in a matter of seconds
chrome falcon
^
it takes like 10 seconds
no-one has to pop a single CD
and it make you look like you have a huge e-penis
you pop giga fleshcraft before key starts and your hp never goes below 100%
and honestly it's not an easy pack
lots of random damage, aoe swirlies, a dreadlord
balmy canyon
So rocket barrage does friendly fire danage?
lofty widget
yeh
cinder nova
i told them "everyone stay at the entrance but hunter can come with turtle and s...
What even is this
cinder nova
Yeah.
chrome falcon
you know workshop first pack solo?
cinder nova
I know of the pack, not how to solo it.
balmy canyon
Cool now to find a lowbe key to give this a shot
chrome falcon
if you're alone most rockets will target you
but some will be random
but if you have an extra dps all the rockets will target either you or them
if you make them immune and afk under the mobs
they die basically instantlyt
cinder nova
So how do you do it solo? Just pop CDs and pray?
chrome falcon
you start the key with a 100k absorb
we're tanky as hell
the mobs die in like 15 seconds
south zealot
u can pop cds if u need
cinder nova
So, what? Rocket swirls and then just make sure I'mnot in them and the mobs are?
chrome falcon
yeah
median tulip
Protip for getting the most absorb: before the key starts, pop Last Stand, Rallying Cry and use the highest ilvl Sigil you have for max absorb (& then change to a better trinket)
cinder nova
That might be helpful.
stuck crown
is it worth starting to gem vers with tons of haste from affix? or just go all gas to haste?
oblique garnet
Protip for getting the most absorb: before the key starts, pop Last Stand, Rally...
Why
balmy canyon
Pretty sure the answer is haste haste and more haste
cinder nova
Pretty sure FC is also affected by things that improve healing, like Vers
oblique garnet
Rally + LS is fine
cinder nova
It's a macro
chrome falcon
it's actually a lot right?
cinder nova
Press another
chrome falcon
if it gives you like 40% vers?
cinder nova
Put on a new trinkie
real fossil
rallying+last stand more than doubles my fleshcraft
cinder nova
Yeah, it's a fuckload
lofty widget
uh oh
chrome falcon
i need to find a group for keys asap because i cannot handle being polite to these pugs
oblique garnet
Stop being so toxic :/
chrome falcon
all i did was tell that group that they had no business doing any key above 15 if they're going to die 25 times before the second boss in workshop
waxen orbit
Yeah I get one every other month
real fossil
human beings are on the other side of the party group
chrome falcon
but it was a 4 man premade so i assume they all reported me at the same time
i very much challenge the term "human beings" in this scenario
waxen orbit
human beings are on the other side of the party group
You cannot convince me some of these players are humans
real fossil
despite all evidence saying otherwise
waxen orbit
Single-celled organisms
chrome falcon
if i bully these dps players into never doing another key again
i have done you all a service
and expect thanks
lofty widget
it's also not very considerate of those guys to go into a 15 without seemingly knowing a single mechanic
doesnt really respect the last guys time
chrome falcon
^
none of them had any idea what the solo strat was for first pack workshop
which should have been a huge red flag for a 21
i should have just left straight away
lofty widget
oh shit lol i thought it was like a weekly 15
real fossil
not knowing weird strats is a normal thing, most keys up to like 18 you can just slam your face into
lofty widget
damn they bad 😦
oblique garnet
You cannot convince me some of these players are humans
Idk the majority of the playerbase is casuals
chrome falcon
no this was a 21 which is insane
if it was like a 15 and the guy was surprised a boss 1 shot him
i would totally get it
but this was advertised as a push group
waxen orbit
Idk the majority of the playerbase is casuals
Oh that's fine but if they're inting my very doable push 24
I'm getting tilted
waxen orbit
Don't do a 24 this early in the season if you're going to forget where your fingers are located or struggle to break 20k
Yup
oblique garnet
PMA Allsmiles every key
cinder storm
Tbf people really pushing are doing past 24s-25s, anything under a 20 is a bit sus
pallid musk
Here is tonight logs from Normal SoD https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wdw9vm68gkj1DPfB/#fight=10&type=damage-done
cinder nova
I see a lot of dogshit, but what do you want us to look at closely?
Also maybe #449510248579858432
Because, you know, that's the dedicated channel for it.
pallid musk
I played protection warrior on 8/10 boss fight. i would be very pleasured with advice or suggestion to improve my migitation / outpost damage
Only 2 pc still and No defensive trinket
cinder nova
Start with talents, Ravager is not useful for any of our encounters, definitely not on N.
pallid musk
Yes i know there logs channel
mighty valley
we check logs in here all the time, it's fine, just doubling up might get you more comments
cinder nova
You're taking more hits than blocked hits, you need to press Shield Block and actually use Intervene/Charge to build rage and get block duration.
drifting juniper
Does raider io get log for uncompleted runs?
cinder nova
You're also just not pressing Thunder Clap.
Like, it's a bad button for us, but not this bad.
This just seems like a "press your buttons" issue, tbh.
balmy canyon
Were you running signet for some of the fights? If so I'd strongly suggest reprisal or wall for the rage gen to help key banner up
pallid musk
Ah that explain. My UI is still suffer with not find the best buttom for thunder clap
lofty widget
Does raider io get log for uncompleted runs?
yes, the log is just a file on your pc so anything you did between start and finish is logged
drifting juniper
can you help me find it and send it to you guys
mighty valley
Very low intervenes and charges, lots of rage left on the table
drifting juniper
i did a hard key for test and we called it after second boss
pallid musk
How to mix/Max intervene / charge in that way ?
mighty valley
Crackling Thunder is doing nothing in raids, you'll get more use out of leap talent
press intervene on a melee on cooldown
charge whenever you can, either during boss casts or while not active tank or to a nearby add
lofty widget
can you help me find it and send it to you guys
the path is World of Warcraft > _retail > Logs, and then the document titled "WoWCombatLog"
drifting magnet
anyone know if mekacycle shielding is any good?
urban portal
the shield is bad
drifting juniper
ok i will send my log into log section
can anyone upload it for me
or should i send it here
pallid musk
Big thanks for guys took time to answer and look my logs
mighty valley
oh, uh, please go get a shield that's a higher ilvl than 131
mighty valley
ok, phew
lofty widget
can anyone upload it for me
can dm it to me and i can upload it
pallid musk
138 is now sold to vendor
drifting juniper
its 20mb being uploaded in logs channel
if you can pick it up i will delete it, thx
pallid musk
How do guys check blocked crit and block ?
drifting juniper
wait what
floral solar
If using raider.io to log it renames log files.
To include the days date.
At least mine does.
So it won't just be warcraftlog.txt or whatever but include todays date in it.
lofty widget
How do guys check blocked crit and block ?
hover the number in the red box here, crit blocks arent really important to see tbh
in the dmg taken section btw ^
drifting juniper
the addon must have not gotten the log because we left the key?
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
if it not in the pack it doesnt exist
can confirm ive tunnel visioned away from pats before on all roles at some point in my life
Not as much as a hunter or mage, mind
drifting juniper
i need to do another keys for the logs i gues
floral solar
You have live tracking enabled on the desktop client yeah?
Enable that if not. And have the r.io addon.
Or just type /consolelog in chat.
With the advanced logging thing enabled as described above.
floral solar
No worries.
pallid musk
hover the number in the red box here, crit blocks arent really important to see ...
Oh there i can see ”the cover” over hit/block
Thank you!
floral solar
just not look at the fucking pats
Which pat was pulled?
floral solar
Total side note to current discussions but do we know if Tanknotes will be updated for the older dungeons? I realise its a lot of work for just a couple of months of content.
limber galleon
hey guys, to anyone who's played prot paladin as well, which spec do you think offer you more tankiness right now? My prot warrior is still low gear score so it's hard for me to tell, but I'm looking for something with way more hit points and sturdy. The mobility also is very fun to me...
dusk jay
Total side note to current discussions but do we know if Tanknotes will be updat...
@gaunt dawn Sorry for the ping
pallid musk
Nnoggie did update his MDT just 1 week. Grimrail depost, Iron Dock and Karazhan still release new versions by Shorded dreadlord spawn
There can be a few Dreadlord missing on MDT but should be covered by now 👀
floral solar
Updating MDT isn't that difficult though afaik.
Just requires you to turn on mapping mode once the dungeons are in and kill everything.
Hardest part would have been changing the menu and adding GR and ID maps and patrols.
To my knowledge.
pallid musk
Hardest point would be add spell ID/ Mob hp scaling by key level
onyx vessel
waxen orbit
I did like 68 week 1
cunning pecan
got it but the run right before the overclocking bit band dropped and my buddy couldn't trade it higher ilvl than his ring by 3. 😦
chrome falcon
this was probably the best run at it i had ngl
the giga fleshcraft+SW so you can tank a few rockets
helps a lot
well
i then proceed to drop banner
with an outburst and DS available
wispy pawn
What trinkets are looking to be BiS for Prot warrior key pushing?
chrome falcon
i thought alar was better than weave?
urban portal
i thought htey are about the same
dawn canyon
It doesnt explode ur melee
urban portal
alar does ally damage
wispy pawn
i am having a brain fart i know OWS is old warrior soul but what is RDM?
frigid plume
how long do you have between packs before OWS stacks fall off?
lofty widget
15s
frigid plume
thanks
dawn canyon
15 but you just chain for Banner anyways
lofty widget
should never drop tbh, cause that most likely means you dropped banner
prime roost
I'm so happy to see... right now Prot Warriors are considered Tier A just, just behind Blood DK's
lofty widget
no leech 😦
prime roost
Ohh look at that, it seems pretty cool
coral marsh
ye i can finally enjoy m+ again by getting pretty easy invites thanks to prot not sucking anymore, just like in bfa
dawn canyon
coral marsh
youre right, prot sucked at the start of bfa, my bad
prime roost
lol
dawn canyon
When's actually good affixes btw
south zealot
next 2 weeks are decent
lofty widget
what is it?
lofty widget
i sleep
lofty widget
oh boy i cant wait for medivh
dusty schooner
whats the easiest tanathor room to warriors?
south zealot
they have to patch that
before it happens
its just so clearly impossible to deal with
oblique garnet
i thought alar was better than weave?
Alar just straight up does no damage now
dusty schooner
alar is wichone?
dawn canyon
CN cheat death
floral solar
Get into combat with them and they probably will.
lofty widget
that sounds awesome
drifting juniper
ok i did a key
drifting juniper
and i think i logged it
dusty schooner
i need to get my legendary, whats the easiest thanator room?
drifting juniper
lets hope for the best
dusty schooner
thorgast
oblique garnet
Leap over ez>
dawn canyon
lofty widget
you have to do upper reaches for reprsial no?
dusty schooner
yes, i get unity first
south zealot
dude im so bad at this game wtf man
drifting juniper
@lofty widget i did a key for logs if you have time would you mind uploading it for me again, thanks a ton
dawn canyon
Venthyr pwar
south zealot
venthyr prot yep
drifting juniper
Condemn should have had a cd and be a rage generator imo instead of spender, venthyr is so rage dry
dawn canyon
So fury condemn
drifting juniper
with arms condemn damage
and idk why they nerfed it to the ground way back then
when they buffed execute they excluded condemn, lol
dawn canyon
Venthyr was funny
drifting juniper
can someone upload my log for me in log channel , and others to comment on what i 'm doing wrong
lofty widget
can someone upload my log for me in log channel , and others to comment on what ...
dont have time to look at it myself but im sure someone else will
drifting juniper
ey thanks i tought u went to sleep
plush prism
hi I'm going insane. can anyone confirm that they've gotten the weapon from Mechagon Junkyard?
I've run it like 20 times
oblique garnet
yes
plush prism
maybe more
oblique garnet
Its bad
drifting juniper
got it in first never used it
oblique garnet
Dont bother
plush prism
What's better? Workshop weapon?
plush prism
that's workshop
drifting juniper
or tazavesh?
oblique garnet
can someone upload my log for me in log channel , and others to comment on what ...
Other than couple random banner drops here and there this is fine
last pebble
how much % after leaving gunker on junkyard going to him first?
south zealot
probably rygelon sword
drifting juniper
Street is weird for banner
oblique garnet
Theres random 4 minutes where you dont have banner but im assuming that is after kujo rp on workshop
drifting juniper
how are people say they are doing 20k dps as warrior, i struggle hard to do that
last pebble
okay thats what i wanted, a range. Theres plenty to pull lol
oblique garnet
It depends on a key
workshop im doing like most 15-16k
gambit is easy 20k same with Jy
or well
"easy"
I guess grimrail falls into same category too
last pebble
well i puilled 12k in JY so fuck me
drifting juniper
i think i also press ignore pain too much
pallid quiver
press buttons have gear is the starter pack to good damage
After that you have to, like, pull well and keep pacing
floral solar
press buttons have gear is the starter pack to good damage
What do I do when I got no gear or buttons?
pallid quiver
;-;
oblique garnet
What do I do when I got no gear or buttons?
Reroll
floral solar
:(
pallid quiver
you always have the buttons
if you cannot meet the buttons with slamming them, see Late's reply
oblique garnet
Im only mean to you because i know you can do better smh
twilit niche
which stats should i get on my unity
dawn canyon
which stats should i get on my unity
Haste vers
twilit niche
same thing for reprisal?
dawn canyon
Yep
south zealot
haste crit 
hollow zodiac
are the spirits at the beginning of kara that fucking hard to tank or am I doing something wrong
south zealot
have to pre-spell reflect one of those
and have to get dispelled for other
or defensive
hollow zodiac
can you reflect it or is it just for the 20% dr ?
south zealot
you can reflect it
the first guy you ust spell reflect a bit after pull
and like 3-5 seconds after the cast
for lower
hollow zodiac
it's an instant cast right? can't recall seeing a cast
south zealot
yes its instant which is why you ahve to do it before it happens
oblique garnet
Close enough
oblique garnet
Excuse me im 2500 score i dont need this disrespect 
Tfw im already higher score than i have been most of this expansion
last pebble
Diner prios? sword/board/trinkets? I wanna get OWS
oblique garnet
Trinkets/shield/wep
last pebble
okay that was my plan
is aegis or matrix better?
okay how about for m+?
similar to codez?
codex*
im using codex now and feels kinda bad
dawn canyon
Codex big stinky
last pebble
you meming or srs? xD
dawn canyon
im just coming from Fury warrior so its either that or dreadfire lmao
Dreadfire for sure
No meme
last pebble
interesting
dawn canyon
Codex is horrid
last pebble
im so dog at prot warrior right now
dawn canyon
Check the pin on it
dawn canyon
It's a good one for BDK as you have omega damage intake
Not as pwar
Doesnt do shit if you block everything anyways
last pebble
yeah im struggling when im low on rage and banner is on CD etc
If people die or slow to kill etc, and banner goes on CD along with being rage starved i go into panic moie
last pebble
oh im too embarassed to do that
oblique garnet
^
last pebble
true, i had to take a break because i bricked a JY and then my group brciked a grimrail
last pebble
yeah i know it sucks i think i just need to pull more continously
dawn canyon
Can you hold it for 2+ mins on a dummy
last pebble
i am, i have it macroed with avatar and banner
dawn canyon
last pebble
yeah ST i hold it fine
south zealot
yeah u just have to practice chaining pulls
sick sentinel
now that im used to it, im going to really miss flicker
south zealot
what is flicker
sick sentinel
NF mage blnk esque
south zealot
oh
south zealot
im not a fairy gamer
tried to reroll lock in s3
but i just played woyer
and hunter we dont talk about that
sick sentinel
u can get like, 4 or 5 " blinks " out of it, , i think, its a 20s buff and 4s cd
so, u can cover a fuck load of ground
dawn canyon
Mage is stupid
sick sentinel
HUGE massive ground terrain
I like mage, but not nessecarily fire, i think fire is too gimmick with the crit
your crittin or your not
south zealot
i love fire
sick sentinel
and then it just falls off
south zealot
fire prot windwalker
sick sentinel
undead frost mage,
south zealot
well windwalker isnt realized
sick sentinel
he didnt pan out
south zealot
but it sohuld be good
oblique garnet
sick sentinel
thats literally the lore, i was playing a fuckload of wc3 at the time, and wow came out and so i knew i had lots of succes with lich on ladder wc3, so that was the plan
vernal flax
How much ilvl is leech worth roughly?
chrome falcon
depends on the piece
0 on something with str/stam
actually it might literally just be 0 on all pieces
last pebble
Matta, your video helped a ton before
chrome falcon
vernal flax
Leech is worthless for us? Damn I thought it was goated
chrome falcon
it's not worthless but
i wouldn't ditch ilvl for it
what's the specific decision?
vernal flax
Move reprisal to pants for boots with leech. Pants currently are 262 as this is my alt.
chrome falcon
that's hilarious i have the exact same decision to make
without knowing specific numbers i couldn't say
vernal flax
Fair fair. I'll give it a try once I get a helm to keep 4 piece 🙂
patent osprey
How much ilvl is leech worth roughly?
Other than what other said, leech on accessories is more valuable than ilvl most of the time. But in terms of str loss, usually not worth
chrome falcon
yeah i'd ditch ilvl on jewelry for some tasty leech
i'll be up to 11% leech when i have enough valour to upgrade everything
south zealot
i got 0% leech pieces so far
chrome falcon
my only 304 piece
is some leech boots
which i can't wear because reprisal slot
and i can't move reprisal to legs until i get a fully upgraded valour helm to replace unity for 4pc
so i need like 4k more valour to complete my master plan for 11% leech
mighty valley
I accidentally got up to like 20% avoidance by the end of season 3
tossed it all for upgrades since then
chrome falcon
yup
sweet summit
L
warm plinth
@oblique garnet hi ily
oblique garnet
<@143839248422928384> hi ily
👋
undone verge
What was ur healing taken %?
undone verge
8% from the healer?
south zealot
like 8% of their healing
south zealot
i couldve sustaiuned it but grievious was ticking me
if i knew from the start healer wasnt gonna heal ^
gunker
holy priest
dreamy wedge
There are a lot of times where my resto druid doesn't even need to look at me in my guild runs, shit's funny.
south zealot
if i played it right i wouldve been fine
but after i started ticking with grievious i needed to be topped
ruby locust
my dmg idk what im doing wrong but in keys my overall is like 8 to 9k at 280 idk what im doing wrong maybe not pulling big enough ?
undone verge
my dmg idk what im doing wrong but in keys my overall is like 8 to 9k at 280 idk...
What keys and whats ur banner uptime?
undone verge
Are you capping a lot of rage?
ruby locust
not really no
sweet summit
any logs?
ruby locust
not for keys sadly
ruby locust
i apologize
ruby locust
idk if this helps or not but id assume not
sweet summit
into the fray is not a m+ talent
south zealot
looks like 40% uptime
south zealot
oh yeah ravager will help dps a lot
ruby locust
been using fray just cause im low on haste atm at 30 %
sweet summit
that's fine
ravager is still better
you get a huge influx of haste throughout the dungeon though bounty stacks anyways
slim zinc
No, that is far away from 69%
ruby locust
current stats
undone verge
current stats
What conduits are you running?
ruby locust
What conduits are you running?
I’ve already logged off for the night so give me just a moment but pretty sure it’s the standard
undone verge
No, that is far away from 69%
92% in keys is bis
ruby locust
undone verge
https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Alexbulwark
Are you using last stand in pulls?
On*
For the extra 66% rage gen
ruby locust
Yes using demo shout then last stand
orchid garden
Demo shout, if talented, gives much more rage inside the last stand window
orchid garden
^ that’s really helpful!
undone verge
Yes using demo shout then last stand
Also looking at SB uptime, it looks like you aren’t getting full use out of reprisal. Try to always keep at least one charge of charge on cooldown at all times, and basically intervene on cd as much as possible
ionic fern
Those are some low casts.
orchid garden
Also testing on a dummy if you can maintain banner 100% is very good. Everyone having trouble with the banner uptime should try and train it on a dummy
ruby locust
Yeah I really don’t like reprisal but I’m trying to get better ate using it
orchid garden
Yeah I really don’t like reprisal but I’m trying to get better ate using it
It brings your block uptime from 50% to ~80% and enhances your survivability a lot.
ionic fern
Banner up-time.
Blocked hits effectiveness..
Charge/Intervene usage is super low.
Not using Avatar on CD
You also used..46 Outbursts on TC and 68 on SS - this ratio is wayyy off.
Generally not pressing buttons enough...
orchid garden
For myself I focus a melee and have a focus intervene macro
ruby locust
So a lot of this can just be fixed with using reprisal properly and keeping more track on my outburst procs ?
orchid garden
A lot, yes! 👍
ruby locust
Am I using to much rage on revenge when I could be putting it elsewhere?
hazy edge
A lot of your rage goes into Revenge and IP
acoustic fjord
I got the swarm trinket for prot as well as my bdk. Idk who I pissed off but I'm sorry.
hazy edge
best 2 places to spend it
ruby locust
Okay good to know I recognized my mistakes so I can work on them and improve
orchid garden
Am I using to much rage on revenge when I could be putting it elsewhere?
Make sure not to overcap rage. It takes experience to know when you can spam more revenge vs more ip. You could use a weakaura for IP to optimise it. But using ip for better defensives before you overcap rage is a very good start.
mighty valley
there's basically no time you're spending "too much" rage on revenge unless you starve yourself so much that you can't afford shield block
but that basically never happens this patch
ruby locust
So when using reprisal I just step out charge in And is it better to reprisal before charging
Like is there a count down I should do or something for it
sand pebble
anytime a mob is casting something that wont move the mob is a great way to practice and you can intervene a melee with no min range so use it on cd
i also like to leap into a new pack, charge back to old pack, spend revenge and charge back to new pack
orchid garden
i also like to leap into a new pack, charge back to old pack, spend revenge and ...
That’s extremely irritating for dps and costs a lot of miscasts / waiting time or even misused spells like frozen orbs
I hear so many ranged dps complaining about tanks doing this.
Try to keep mobs into a certain position and play in a way that your team can foresee what you are going to do
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
sand pebble
That’s extremely irritating for dps and costs a lot of miscasts / waiting time o...
if done right the pack doesnt move because you leapt into a new pack and charged back within 1 global
orchid garden
Charging back will indicate that you pull the newly added group to your last pack. Don’t charge back then. Or don’t charge in between both packs.
orchid garden
if done right the pack doesnt move because you leapt into a new pack and charged...
You still have a second addpack. One of the packs has to move
But by charging around several times nobody can know where you gonna tank these
At the old spot or the new spot
So they are all waiting to use placable AoE. Sometimes waste stuff like frozen orbs, which hurts their dps output a lot.
mighty valley
it's all pretty simple
wild stump
hey yo how do you deal with the forks damage on opera lol
mighty valley
you don't want to waste time at 2x charge or 1x intervene off cooldown, you want to spend the revenge proc before doing another one, you don't want to move mobs so much that it's annoying for dps
sand pebble
i mean ive never once had anyone complain about my tanking of mobs/placement
but sure
mighty valley
there's rarely a need to get fancy for it, step out during a mob cast or whatever
orchid garden
i mean ive never once had anyone complain about my tanking of mobs/placement
Maybe you don’t do that this obvious or very rarely. I just wanted to have this discussion because I hear many dps players complaining about pug tanks positioning and unpredictable pulls, when I heal.
mighty valley
i think anything that happens in the span of one and a half globals is unlikely to be picked up as a signal by most dps
wild stump
is the forks off of opera scaling from fortified?
mortal brook
wild stump
i mean sanguine depths had the 3rd boss glowy damage scaling off of fortified for almsot 2 years
mighty valley
honestly i haven't done a big enough lower kara this week to notice so idk
leaden field
Banner up-time.
Blocked hits effectiveness..
Charge/Intervene usage is super low...
Is there a way in the logs to filter on Outburst usage?
ionic fern
Probably.
I'm doing it the lazy way tho.
-Copy logs URL
-Go to www.wowanalyzer.com
-Paste log
-Wait for it to load
-Click on "Statistics"
And you'll see Outburst usage/glory extensions/avatar usages etc.
leaden field
Ah, thanks 🙂
ionic fern
Thanks to @sullen valve ❤️
sullen valve
Ily
finite arch
So I was about to reroll to dif classes as I got my mount. opened weekly "quest" and got this baby
mighty valley
You won the lottery
finite arch
yes, I think so too 😄
mighty valley
Grats, enjoy it
ionic fern
What are the affixes this week?
finite arch
this week still sanguini 😮
zinc shale
2 more days in eu and 1 more for NA ^^
undone verge
So I was about to reroll to dif classes as I got my mount. opened weekly "quest"...
My guild wiped on heroic Sylvanas 1% today
zinc shale
hc is so easy, i dont geeet ittt
tulip raft
Is there an updated WA for spellreflect for S4? cant find a good one
zinc shale
What do you want the wa to do?
tulip raft
had one that called when i could SR, but noone of the new dungs / shcouded works now
when you pull 3-4 packs its hard to check all the cast bars 😄
zinc shale
Usually there's no One spell to reflect in bigger pulls, unless you have a infiltrator
If theres an infiltrator, save for claw, rest can be ignored
tulip raft
yeah , i know, was just a comfy WA with a sound when summit was casted you could reflect, so i could slack more :p
guess ill just add the new spells myself, if i cant find one
zinc shale
lol^^ theres no slacking playing necroprot
bold nimbus
sinful summit
legendary boots are 100k 
wild jasper
Is stun grenade any good? Or just for arms/fury?
warm plinth
I imagine it's pretty shit for every spec
wild jasper
Ok, saw some Arms and Frost dks play it
zealous willow
Any tips for lower? I have to do it today at 20
open gazelle
No trinkets on rf, normal, or heroic fml
south zealot
Any tips for lower? I have to do it today at 20
pull trash outside of the room they are in
like pull it back
easy to butt pull
solar willow
Any tips for lower? I have to do it today at 20
Turn your PC off, go to the beach.
drifting juniper
guys. people who are doing high numbers
i finally got a log on logs channel if you can look at it and give me a take on it it would be appreicated
1 person told me its fine aside some issues with banner but would like more takes on it
errant oriole
quick question if I am sitting at 38% haste should just gem and enchant for something else?
besides haste
blazing condor
errant oriole
well atm that 38% is where im at sitting with vers enchants and gems lol
jagged pier
ew
errant oriole
i can swap though no issue haha
jagged pier
i finally got a log on logs channel if you can look at it and give me a take on ...
I dunno hard to tell its not an advanced log so its just mashed everything together
if i go look at actual logs of yours
your casts are low
or lower than they should be
drifting juniper
how do i get advanced logs
jagged pier
u check it in settings
but low LS casts
low intervene casts
low TC casts
in a log im looking at your revenge did less damage than execute and SS
which is wrong
should be top
or very very close to SS damage
can demo and ravager more as well
stop gemming vers
drifting juniper
yeah but not many adds in streets when i go from left side, in other keys my revenge is close or higher than ss
so in short i'm just not casting as enough as i should right?
jagged pier
im looking at a workshop
my revenge is ither top or second in that key
🤷
your using outburst on TC alot for the amount of casts of tc u have
drifting juniper
sry i was in a key, i think thats because when i use avatar beofre pull i use it on tc for aggro
weak steeple
How do you guys rate Decanter of Endless Howling? It's between 304 of that and 291 Ocular Gland for me. Latter seems like more stats despite the ilevel difference
jagged pier
jagged pier
sry i was in a key, i think thats because when i use avatar beofre pull i use it...
its fine to do that but i reckon your probably using it more than that
and your missing a tone SS proc with low TC casts
so loads of rage is missing
drifting juniper
yeah thunder clap sometimes get lost in my rotation
specially high haste, ss keeps getting proced
drifting juniper
yeah most of the time i just ignore it, its true, from now on i will keep logging to see the diffrence
hidden kindle
Thoughts on the mechagon ring combo vs using the 10% DR when first attacking an enemy ring? For m+ specifically
sinful summit
when do cds reset in m+? for workshop soloing, do i have to activate last stand and rally before the key goes in at all, or before the key timer hits 0?
topaz field
i dont think u get anything from popping banner pre pull
strong forum
Thoughts on the mechagon ring combo vs using the 10% DR when first attacking an ...
The 10% DR ring is bait
4sec after you deal dmg to them aka 1 or 2 Autos at best
And we're by far the strongest tank on that first global
hidden kindle
Makes sense
Btw, doesnt ITF rise in value with the shrouded buffs, or does it not interact multiplicatively?
cobalt seal
ITF vs ravager is kinda a dungeon by dungeon choice
dawn canyon
rava>>
hidden kindle
Just seems that if ITF just said 10% haste flat at all times it would be always taken?
Its so much haste
cobalt seal
and ravager is so much resources in AoE
what's exactly is your point?
pretend that ravager does nothing? so ITF is bigger value?
hidden kindle
Ravager doesnt give more rage in aoe does it? It flat 10 per tick, or am I mistaken?
No real point, trying to get some opinions on it
ionic fern
sweet summit
ravager fuck good
minor helm
strong forum
Ravager doesnt give more rage in aoe does it? It flat 10 per tick, or am I mista...
I've played a few keys with itf and it felt awful, not to mention you don't have 5 stacks at all times. In aoe ravager shoots up in value the more targets there are
If you can guarantee 5 stacks on all situations aka 4 melee/pets around you, sure it can be alright. But having the guaranteed +60 rage every 45sec + extra dmg on aoe is very strong
ionic fern
Who even takes haste.
Go Crit or Go Home.
brittle owl
Who even takes haste.
Go Crit or Go Home.
wdym sickly blue man
ionic fern
Disclaimer, Mwahis opinion is the not the official Skyholds stance on stats
brittle owl
everyone knows haste makes crit go brrr
haste crit chad masterrace stat distribution
for every spec
hands down
full stop end of story
strong forum
Agreed
brittle owl
delete every guide, i cracked the code
ionic fern
Crit-crit chad masterrace.
ionic fern
I can.
Hidden passives.
brittle owl
pics
ionic fern
I got crit that scales off crit.
topaz field
Ravager doesnt give more rage in aoe does it? It flat 10 per tick, or am I mista...
chain pulling or setting up pulls that contain several groups feels infinitely worse withouth ravager because u have to spam 1-2 globals to get proper aggro
coral marsh
how do you play the two big packs before the third boss in iron docks?
that trash just destroys me
oblique garnet
how do you play the two big packs before the third boss in iron docks?
You dont you skip it
coral marsh
but how do you get enough % then
oblique garnet
Theres alot of free count on the left after first boss
topaz field
the problem with the trash after 2nd boss is that their damage is not blockable and eventually they will oneshot u or close to oneshot
topaz field
best is to skip everything
coral marsh
but thats quite a long path
topaz field
shroud into pot
or belt into pot works
but i understand that this is super pug unfriendly
uneven mason
Unblockable damage is unfriendly
topaz field
unblockable dmg is not too good for a tank that has to block true
i think i got hit for 60-70k on 18 already which is kinda yikes
coral marsh
can you somehow quick back to start after last boss?
topaz field
i dont think so but i could be wrong
anyways going back is always a time loss
why not finish count beforehand
coral marsh
and is there a way to split solo pull zulgamux besides pull die and pull?
strong forum
unblockable dmg is not too good for a tank that has to block true
It's not just unblockable, it's also not reduced by armor
It's basically a magic nuke, that colours itself physical
undone verge
the problem with the trash after 2nd boss is that their damage is not blockable ...
That makes so much sense as to why I’ve been getting fucked by that trash lmao
It didn’t help we had the worst healer as well but still
strong forum
5/7
undone verge
‘Just get better 4 head’- blizzard probably
lusty tiger
undone verge
That trash was so bad I was shield walling on cd, and our priest was perms dead during that trash
I was doing like 14k sustained hps in a 15
undone verge
The dungeons pretty much a joke other than that trash
Only other trash pack we struggled on was the last pack b4 second boss just cause of the flame dudes were removing space along with sanguine
coral marsh
how do you do the zulgamux trash, i think i will just pull it, die and then do the trash and zul separately
royal lodge
A knowledgeable tank I know showed me a route that avoids that trash. You have to pull more in the beginning. You can kill first two packs of gauntlet and then use invisible potion but you have to time it right. The last pack has to be walking away when you pop the potion and start to go. There was only 3 seconds left of invisibility when we got to the roaming pack.
oblique garnet
1 double wrangler is fine you will have every cd for it
and you kinda have to use them
Yeah
royal lodge
Agreed. I am not a fan of skipping anything with PUGs but sometimes you have to.
drowsy mango
has anyone been using this thing and is it suuposed to be any good for prot cause its been doing like 2% my damage overall in dungeons feels not that good
chrome falcon
It’s worse than a regular shield
At equal ilvl
But if it’s even 1 ilvl higher then you wear it
royal lodge
Just FYI, mythic Terragrue is an easy kill to PUG and drops a 304 ilevel haste/versatility shield. You can probably get a bunch of players to join an LFG posting given that the reset is tomorrow.
chrome falcon
Ilvl is everything
chrome falcon
someone in your group sucks and ran into it
or the rogue didn't distract
or both!
chrome falcon
Left
coral marsh
and he distracts to right?
doesnt it make more sense to invispot first and then just shroud right
waxen frigate
we shrouded the pack after second boss and natherzim revealed us
what second boss
coral marsh
iron docks
waxen frigate
... which nath
waxen frigate
hmm
Im trying to remember where the nath is in that pack
probably just a distract issue
i usually shroud the last pack and just hug left
lots of people forget that shroud is less powerful stealth than some others
minor helm
How good are you at it
deep solar
not very
enough to keep up banner but not enough to be comfortable
perma mashing and sweating with 5s left in banner
minor helm
Gotta be dripping wet
deep solar
1 mistake and its gone
sinful summit
that was legit me trying to learn prot in random 15s this morning
dawn canyon
you watched the vid?
sinful summit
10 stacks of shrouded haste i was absolutely shitting myself on big pulls
dawn canyon
im sure Matt will happily link it again
deep solar
link?
dawn canyon
beat me to it
royal lodge
LoL, I have a mechanical keyboard. I'm sure it is loud.
coral marsh
how do you stack the bosses at iron docks in corner for better cleave?
i struggle with aggro
topaz field
well the easy answer is u go into the corner
chrome falcon
yeah you just go to the corner
and press revenge and ravager
none of those bosses do any damage
coral marsh
then half of them aggro a dps
chrome falcon
no they don't
topaz field
they really shouldnt
chrome falcon
charge in
chrome falcon
drop ravager at the stack point
topaz field
going into the corner
topaz field
my wildspirits