30-50% banner uptime 
#protection
onyx vessel
cinder nova
Fusion hacker any good?
cinder nova
so yes
cinder nova
I guess that's not the worst thing, but farming JY sounds like agony
cinder nova
I think I'd rather just keep spamming WS and have a chance at the sword and bit band
hazy edge
Fusion hacker any good?
It'll loose out to an equal ilvl weapon in aoe, but it's slightly ahead in st
undone verge
Dont go outta your way for it tbh
I got it in a 2 farming valor for a friend 
limpid sedge
Does Deep Wounds trigger this?
open gazelle
hmmm do i keep my 278 decanter trinket or scale until i can get a replacement
undone verge
isnt scale nerfed?
open gazelle
yes but my absorb is still like 40k and this is for m+ only
its like a free max 100% ignore pain idk
thing its neglible?
zealous willow
Till u get semething better u can use whatever
but u must replace it later
we hardly get that much dmg istant
undone verge
yeah you could still go with scale but its not the greatest
mortal brook
Does Deep Wounds trigger this?
bleeds no longer cheese it
zealous willow
K im trying to keep up my banner on dummy , i use charges and all but cant up my banner time i can only manage to hold it on 13-18 sec duration
how someone can up banner to 3 min what im missing wtf
undone verge
are you using unnerving focus conduit?
zealous willow
y
undone verge
are you using last stand basically on pull?
strong forum
It's not stacking up Banner duration up to 3min
undone verge
usually with last stand I can get banner up to about 25 seconds on pull
strong forum
It's keeping banner going for 3 minutes
undone verge
yeah I dont think many people have gotten that high duration left outside of torghast
maybe in pure execute situations you could increase duration
cobalt seal
i just cant make it big number
that's not a thing
solar willow
Where are people finding S4 routes?
I haven't checked today, but I used dratnos routes during s3
They hadn't been updated
cobalt seal
:bearconcernL:
solar willow
:bearconcernL:
That's not a helpful response 😂
solar willow
Junk yard tho
Seen some spooky shit in that one
Cos of the bots
The rest are fine, I guess I only mean junkyard xD
cobalt seal
route wont change that
undone verge
theres some fun Lower kara routes
solar willow
Which I've seen people do but I don't fkin know it 🤣
mortal brook
prio shockbots is good stuff. and theres many fast to grab towards gunker
oblique garnet
The pull on the left first is essentially just s4 bfa route
You get full sets of bots for everyone assuming people dont flop on first pull
mortal brook
frontloading ppl dying before they get bots 👍
oblique garnet
You as a tank will have 3 bots by the time pull is gathered
strong forum
And you get Lust on CD
oblique garnet
Its very spicy if nobody kicks but once everyone is used to it, its really free first pull
strong forum
That's called being efficient
undone verge
I wonder if it would be worth when dude is over trog to cut through the back of Gnomes grab the shock bot, grease, welding, pick up the other set on the hill with the stealth dogs, then head to gunker to grab another 2 sets
strong forum
JY is entirely about doing safe pulls
solar willow
Fair, tyty
oblique garnet
Now as for experience in pugs every time ive done it this week there has always been atleast 2-3 casualties because people dont kick
solar willow
Ye, inspiring made everyone think cc and int aren't important x.x
oblique garnet
Yeah because on tyrannical you could get away with it
solar willow
(On a tyr week too)
Had some painful pugs yesterday T-T
NO interrupts during wikket.
Spicy.
naive whale
usually with last stand I can get banner up to about 25 seconds on pull
i've got about 55% uptime on banner in my keys, I rarely have it running LOWER than 45 secs..
I'm overcapping my IP buffer but at least banner keeps going
so just spam every key that is shiny and it should work fine
execute helps alot, like it's 4s of banner (correct me if i'm wrong) on a full rage exec.
undone verge
i've got about 55% uptime on banner in my keys, I rarely have it running LOWER t...
45 seconds before it drops or left on the buff?
undone verge
oh im talking like straight duration of the buff, ive got around 70-75% uptime in keys if im focused
dawn canyon
Prot log in#449510248579858432
zealous willow
should i cast TC on cd if i dont have SL avaible
i think i focus more on revenge and miss some TC
that hurt my rage regen
deep solar
What is bis mainhand/shield?
zinc shale
This one big in m+ perhaps?
lofty widget
nah it's 1 ppm on the effecct
zinc shale
ahh damn thats dogshit
drifting juniper
i can't drop chest
rocking my 278 breatplate
i think i should make unity on it and go with hands for tier
lament shell
This one big in m+ perhaps?
It does like 300k healing in overall
I use grimrail shield instead has good stats
sick sentinel
i wish that effect was something more like "gives armor for duration" and then the on block, assuming it does at least more than 1 shock block, but it doesn't actually bug me huge
cuz, like, in a +15, 10k, is 1 boss ability, or an elites melee unmitigated on fort say....
and then i could imagine, you have a whole bunch of adds around you with an elite or boss, and then this procs, and the elite or boss does its thing, hits you for say 11.5k, (is 10,992 his picture), and then you get maybe 1 damage for 1450 off a 1 minute cd
red siren
Hi, can you guys help me to know wich stat take un war prot in mm+ ?
I don’t know if i have to take haste or poly ?
coral marsh
is prot currently better than dk what do you think?
grave crane
idk what poly is ? but haste is our best secondary. you take ilvl over all then haste if you have a choice
hollow sun
Hi, can you guys help me to know wich stat take un war prot in mm+ ?
I don’t kn...
poly? we pretty much always go for haste
lime urchin
is prot currently better than dk what do you think?
coral marsh
prot was a dog for all of sl before the ip buff
lofty widget
grave crane
LOL what does that even mean?
lime urchin
prot was a dog for all of sl before the ip buff
No u
coral marsh
prot was also only good for the dps in bfa and then they gutted that and prot was still the most squishy
hollow sun
blazing condor
then banner made us better
red siren
Sorry guys i mean Versatility (poly is french)
So u choose haste buff in mm+ before the start of dungeon ?
open gazelle
how are you not keeping your banner up for at least 1 minute? mine always seems to fall off at 1.5 mins so i usually just have about a 30 sec cd on banner. in higher keys i keep it going for 2 mins id say
lofty widget
So u choose haste buff in mm+ before the start of dungeon ?
yes
you can read the pins for the pros/cons of all 4 stats
but haste is generally the go-to
red siren
Ok thank you guys ! I will read it
coral marsh
if you are undergeared just take verse
lofty widget
no
coral marsh
verse is the best to get carried by the healer
lime urchin
Who dis
coral marsh
im right
chrome falcon
3 if you count the BFA one
blazing condor
why are you right?
jagged pier
prot was a dog for all of sl before the ip buff
lofty widget
you not playing correctly =/= bad class
chrome falcon
i've got about 55% uptime on banner in my keys, I rarely have it running LOWER t...
sorry for the late response but you should be shooting for 70-80
lime urchin
Send video Matta! So we can pin it.
naive whale
chrome falcon
the video gets spammed in here enough lmao
that video is really only for people getting like 30% uptime
hollow sun
what video
lime urchin
Fine
chrome falcon
anyone getting anything above 50% knows basically what they should be doing
lime urchin
☹️
chrome falcon
just needs to practice it
quaint glade
prot was a dog for all of sl before the ip buff
I liked my class being unique now almost where I look are prot wars ffs…
quaint glade
what video
The banner uptime guide video
south zealot
why do u want your spec to be objectively worse than others
chilly brook
prot was also only good for the dps in bfa and then they gutted that and prot wa...
Wut
Yea man
Clearly the most squishy
cobalt seal
if you are undergeared just take verse
???
chilly brook
south zealot
they’ve never seen bear without CDs
chilly brook
Like super squishy man
south zealot
if anything vers is better the more gear you have
quaint glade
why do u want your spec to be objectively worse than others
Worse?
cobalt seal
if anything vers is better the more gear you have
???
quaint glade
It was good before meta slaves started playing it lol
grave crane
i dont thin meta slaves have even started yet lol
lusty tiger
I take an extra stack of anything if my rl needs to buy some extra time or cover a mechanic as the other tank. Almost never even get close to dying
south zealot
It was good before meta slaves started playing it lol
dk is still bis in ever situation lol
every
grave crane
haste is just so much better than verse its not even funny
south zealot
yeah i agree
lusty tiger
Almost killed eye mythic tanking add + miniboss
south zealot
???
vers is still bad, but if you are reducing more damage with higher armor and block? the % damage reduction from versis more damage reduced in totality
chilly brook
In general people need to stop being so concerned about the “best” tank
quaint glade
Ilvl>anything
south zealot
wait
cobalt seal
pwar is the best tank lol
south zealot
youre right im an idiot
lofty widget
still not a stat you take "to be tankier"
quaint glade
pwar is the best tank lol
south zealot
ye unless you literally cannot survive without 5% dr its troll
and even then haste will give more rage with more heals shield block and ignore pain
chilly brook
Just play what you find fun and learn how to play well
chilly brook
still not a stat you take "to be tankier"
I mean you do
lusty tiger
Every time I swap a piece with vers off the str increase never makes me feel squishier
chilly brook
You just don’t actively stack it over everything else on this class
south zealot
pwar is the best tank lol
chilly brook
Because, surprise, good play is the majority of your survival
We moved away from stat based tanking a long time ago in WoW
lusty tiger
Hit cap exp cap def cap
cobalt seal
I really dont know
south zealot
am i the only one that didnt know flametongue in grimrail empowers auto attacks
to do a ton of magic damage
cobalt seal
why I have to explain why warrior is better than bdk lol
sick sentinel
make sure to go to elwynn/durotar and kill a bunch of lvl 5 wolfs 400 times to levle up your weapon skill when u get a mace that u have to pay 5 gold to equip
and miss all ur attacks during this time
chilly brook
Excuse me sir
I paid 3 gold for my axe on BCC
not 5
It’s only 9 silver to train weapons
south zealot
why I have to explain why warrior is better than bdk lol
weird take
neat trout
no just a stupid one
cobalt seal
lol
south zealot
if prot had the same resource gen maybe lmao
cobalt seal
loooooooooooooooooooooooooool
sacred cape
cobalt seal
if prot had the same resource gen maybe lmao
I give you that one, pwar doesn't gen runic power
you are 100% right
spark mortar
Anyone running Anodized Deflectors at ilvl 298 or are they still hot vendor trash?
cobalt seal
that's the shield right?
spark mortar
Wrist
spark mortar
Still no secondary. Yuck.
south zealot
I give you that one, pwar doesn't gen runic power
i mean the abudance of runic power they have permanently
always full on runic power no thinking
cobalt seal
and rage?
solar willow
This or literally anything with Secondary stats?
south zealot
id go with secondary
lofty widget
This or literally anything with Secondary stats?
put them in the creation catalyst
crit haste
solar willow
got these on now
I'll wait till I got the spare valour if i dont get anything better before
lofty widget
prot isnt always drowning in rage
we are
south zealot
got these on now
these are great
cobalt seal
prot isnt always drowning in rage
what'
solar willow
I know, look at all dat haste ❤️
coral marsh
how do you aggro the little adds on lkara boss 1
coral marsh
when i attack them i stop facing boss and take dmg
south zealot
they spawn on top of the boss
south zealot
and it generally makes me sad
why?
you either have to have hands or legs as tier
id rather have hands
south zealot
drifting juniper
its last season 278 and i have no luck
south zealot
ok or not
south zealot
278 would do for now too lol
drifting juniper
nah little things makes diffrence
cobalt seal
Since I clearly have to explain why Pwar is superior to BDK in S4
Pwar rage is beyond overflowed with proper play
Pwar dmg intake is way smoother for healer, and dont die to rng (oh no I didn't parry 3 melee in a row - procs purg; unlucky again - Floor pov)
south zealot
dk is beyond overflowed for free
cobalt seal
Pwar spell reflect is OP as fuck in S4
south zealot
why are all the top tank’s playind dk
cobalt seal
low skillfloor
south zealot
so the best tanks in the world are playing an inferior spec bc its easier
cobalt seal
so the best tanks in the world are playing an inferior spec bc its easier
high io doesn't mean best tanks
quaint glade
you actually need to be good at the game to play pwar
But once you learn itttttt
It is undying piece of shit
drifting juniper
what key levels are you doing
Not high but puggin +21 22 is very scuffed most of the times my execute saves the key on 2 or 3 seconds
stuck rock
Bdk has better damage and items with fated raids. Bdk can survive keys fine=its the tank top players are going to push with and the best and doing so. Its like the healer situation if it does the most damage and can heal the higher keys it going to be the meta pick.
chrome falcon
Nah I don’t actually think bdk can survive giga fort keys anymore
With bad parry luck
But those players are better than me so who knows
south zealot
high io doesn't mean best tanks
it heavily implies it
if youre one of the highest io tanks you are a good tank in some capacity
south zealot
Not high but puggin +21 22 is very scuffed most of the times my execute saves th...
yeah toure at a level where it matters, still wouldve suggested do +2s
stuck rock
Nah I don’t actually think bdk can survive giga fort keys anymore
If it does more damage they will make it work. Its like hpal back in the day. It wasnt the best healer healing wise in keys at all but i did the most damage so good healers made it work. So it was meta for pushing keys
cobalt seal
it heavily implies it
go watch nerf or stone
and come back
2 of the top 5 tanks
that play like shit
lofty widget
a high io tank can be heavily carried by his team yea
stuck rock
I do think prot will be 2nd best but it will still not see much play and will fly under the radar like last season
cobalt seal
but if youre tankjng 27s+ youre doing something right
being good at calling/knowing the dungeons
strong forum
alot of people wont try to commit a different tank because its a very short season
cobalt seal
playing the spec is a dif thing
stuck rock
But I dont see it getting as much popularity as it should not a lot of people will reroll
strong forum
it wont
zealous willow
most try hards will go dk its obvious
its simply the best dps
its like going
bm hunter when u have survival
strong forum
to be fair, BM owns currently (in raid)
stuck rock
And still If I were to be a tank from a high push group I wouldnt go prot warrior because there is so much stuff going on in a 28 for example that it would be easier to play a less demanding tank that can let you focus more on the key
zealous willow
but u cant make 140k aoe burst like survival
or hold sustain aoe dmg like MM
bm shines on single target dmg
strong forum
actually MMs only niche from what i know is burst aoe
zealous willow
im hapy with warr btw
strong forum
im fine with pwar as it is
there are some things that i still find bullshit
aka gavel still existing
but aside from that we gucci
stuck rock
Gavel is busted. Imagine a str weapon being bis for bears because its just that strong
south zealot
playing the spec is a dif thing
go get higher io then them
zealous willow
i talked a bit with azortharion abt hunters and he said that MM curently is boring game play , but MM aoe is predictable and stable to make , SV is fun , but u have rng on bombs and hard to predict ur burst to make max dps
but survival is curently best overall
Bears used STR in wotlk too
it gives 2 ap per 1 str
agility 1 ap per 1
Actualy i was hoping to see warrior tank with 2h and shield something , but they wont give us this
cobalt seal
go get higher io then them
what
south zealot
mm hits nice burst
cobalt seal
anyone can see nerf misplaying pwar or bdk or bear or vdh or monk or ppala
you just need 2minutes of stream
but it's not small misplays
I don't need higher io than him to see that
neither does that prove anything
zealous willow
u can ez make some big rio if u have rly good dps with u tbh
stuck rock
anyone can see nerf misplaying pwar or bdk or bear or vdh or monk or ppala
What missplay does he do with monks? Im curious how you could hard missplay with that
cobalt seal
But I'm not better
zealous willow
im not saying im better than him or someone
south zealot
not you
cobalt seal
What missplay does he do with monks? Im curious how you could hard missplay with...
he misplayed bear
south zealot
i mean cromation
zealous willow
but i simply cant do big keys cus i dont have premade op dps with me
im sure if all of us has his dps
we will be at least more rio
stuck rock
prove youre better
That would only be possible if he had a group as good as nerfs which I doubt he has or will find
real fossil
If you’ve never done coordinated high keys, kinda hard to knock anyone
south zealot
if youre not good enough
real fossil
It’s not me it’s my teammates 🤔
south zealot
where people dont recognize you
and invite you because of previous experiences
and youre not trying to add new players that are good after keys
you cant blame your groups
slim zinc
You don't need to do high keys to see that if you're consistently dropping banner after 35-45 seconds you are doing something wrong
livid osprey
I've got a question. How can I play when fighting with Wranglers on ID? Standing in melee doesnt really work they still throw me
and it hurts like a truck
cobalt seal
I've got a question. How can I play when fighting with Wranglers on ID? Standing...
skip them xD
cobalt seal
but if youre tankjng 27s+ youre doing something right
so explain me what he did right in that clip
I give you a hint. It's worthless on the right side of ,
real fossil
Ah yes, cherry-picking. Super good strat keep it up 👍🏼
slim zinc
Doing high keys is more about doing mechanics, planning cc/kicks and time than it is about being the best at your class
south zealot
ye he obviously trolled there
slim zinc
Being a god at your rotation doesn't matter if all the group killing kicks go through
He panicked
Because he was on the wrong spell bar
waxen orbit
high io doesn't mean best tanks
It’s fairly correlated
Depending on spec and performance obviously
south zealot
I've got a question. How can I play when fighting with Wranglers on ID? Standing...
cc as much as you can and rotate defensives well
they suck
cobalt seal
It’s fairly correlated
no its not
cobalt seal
Ah yes, cherry-picking. Super good strat keep it up 👍🏼
you want me to show 100 more clips of him misplaying?
just in 1 stream?
I think that would be spam
waxen orbit
Holy shit it’s almost like even top players misplay
slim zinc
I think that is Cro's entire point
south zealot
every player misplays
cinder storm
That statement is true because I'm one of them
cobalt seal
cobalt seal
Holy shit it’s almost like even top players misplay
apparently some people dont know that
and think because you are a top player, they know better
south zealot
i said if youre doing 27s+ youre doing something right not everything
cobalt seal
and that something is knowing mechanics and good dungeon planner/shotcaller
(in some cases)
mint drift
Is mech ring sets better than two high haste rings?
cinder storm
Also helps having social skills and being able to maintain a certain level of consistency
Even if he's bad, he's consistently bad
dawn canyon
Is mech ring sets better than two high haste rings?
Yes
slim zinc
it's up to 112 free stats
You want more than just haste
haste is good but other stats doesn't hurt you
and 100 free stats is a lot
mint drift
Sounds legit
strong forum
and the rule of "more stats > better stats" is still in effect, it just so happens to be that its a favourables stat from those rings
devout pewter
guys, meccagon shield is good for warrior tank ?
sick sentinel
ran gambit 2 someone got mount
onyx vessel
hollow sun
you get away from mobs and charge
queen hemlock
queen hemlock
Think one of the higher peeps did it but i tried replicating i cant
hollow sun
it depends on the situation
queen hemlock
Oh yea shockwave charge
hollow sun
its not ideal tbh but if you are stunning mobs anyway you can as well put a charge as well
then some mobs just stand still or cast, you can as well use those windows to charge
queen hemlock
But is the max attack range jump back to charge thing possible?
I know alot of mobs practically hugging me when they are attacking
Or is the example vid above just for bosses
dawn canyon
Leap works but slows also do
And if you are at max mele range like matt is you can charge easier
As it's less distance
hollow sun
for bosses you need to learn when you can get away from them
for a safe charge
its just knowledge and practice tbh
some bosses wipe the party if you don't stand in melee, so be mindful of that
you can also intervene a caster and charge back
there are a lot of possibilities
queen hemlock
Just asking as i literally never use charge after the initial cast
Then i saw one of the guys here's vid and saw that
hollow sun
then you are probably getting trucked by mobs since you have low shield block uptime without charging
queen hemlock
From time to time yea
On another note
Is it better to pre cast fleshcraft of cast it as another mitigation
Ive been keeping it for emergencies and sometimes never used it in a dungeon
hollow sun
i use it as mitigation for specific scenarios / casts but you never hold on your defensives for too long. Fleshcraft is a little different since its a long cast and you can't block during it, so personally i just use it as a dr for a specific time. But that could be wrong
queen hemlock
Yea likewise
But it always feels like a waste to hold it for those specific scenarios or as a panic mitigation button that is rarely required
Since it has the more dead trash faster cd inbuild
hollow sun
you stand still casting for too long imo it's just not worth to pause so frenquently. If your healer is drinking or something then sure, otherwise its quite clunky
grave crane
i use it as mitigation for specific scenarios / casts but you never hold on your...
Are you sure? You can dodge during it so I assume you can block during
misty coyote
hollow sun
Are you sure? You can dodge during it so I assume you can block during
i'm not sure tbh, i think i heard someone say it here a few months ago
grave crane
i'm not sure tbh, i think i heard someone say it here a few months ago
Says allows defense while channeling so I would imagine you can block while channeling
lofty widget
you can block/parry/dodge while channeling yes
coral marsh
anyone know whats the overtime threshold when you stop getting points?
brave ruin
What covenant for protection?
valid finch
i know races are not a big deal but just was wondering what other warriors feel is the best alliance prot warrior race,
dawn canyon
Dwarf
raw void
Lightforged for big dam 🦫
south zealot
What covenant for protection?
necrolord
dwarf or dark iron dwarf
ability to remove bleeds is very nice
especially for those forks and the 2 guys in grimrail
sick sentinel
anyone know whats the overtime threshold when you stop getting points?
40% overtime iirc
pale roost
was thinking about trying out tanking . and atm its between warrior and monk. which One would you say are stronger in keys 🙂?
pale roost
due to the active playstyle =)? i read necro is quite engaging
summer pelican
pull 3 pack beginning at pug gambit = wipe
south zealot
its a tough one without stuns and kicks going out at good times
summer pelican
should i just do 1 by 1
south zealot
nah 2 pakcs and the baby murlocs should be fine
chrome falcon
did a 21 gambit and we did double murloc with lust
you just need your dps to stun sticks
summer pelican
ye we pull those but they never die
chrome falcon
it's all about stunning sticks
edgy grail
Is it dumb to take atorm bolt in gambit?
south zealot
i never go storm bolt on prot
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure we have Shockwave and Fear and 1 teammate, but we're bringing 3 enemies into the dungeon, too
coral marsh
iron docks and kara is way overtuned or am i a shitter?
i can easily time taz and mecha
and also rail cause the timer is very lenient
chrome falcon
what level are you doing
chrome falcon
anything should be pretty easy at that level but yeah docks and kara are probably the hardest
coral marsh
well it doesnt really matter it just depends on gear
you can also rofl +20 with mythic raid gear
chrome falcon
i'm afraid to say that's cope
coral marsh
na that's just how it is, game was always about gear and skill secondary
chrome falcon
i can neither confirm nor deny whether you're a shitter without logs
coral marsh
but sure below 10 is easier cause less affixes
but thats it
my question is just if you also feel if they are overtuned
if you dont overgear them, obviously
lofty widget
ID is a bit overtuned, but it's not tank dmg mostly
cant say about kara havent run that place since day 1 
coral marsh
i mean dungeons like taz are legit braindead easy in comparison
zealous willow
where is the vendor
south zealot
maybe everything has a little too much health but its not a big deal at all
zealous willow
for 10k flux conduits
grave crane
The only section of upper is that room right after mana devour if no one intercepts the purple balls and the bridge after
chrome falcon
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
sand egret
man having an actual block value lets gooo
coral marsh
is it still possible that runs dont show up on raider if the leaderboard is full or is that gone since blizz made their own point system?
lofty widget
chrome falcon
owning
lofty widget
not even jy either
chrome falcon
what was it
lofty widget
gd
chrome falcon
and what ilvl you at
sicko
i did on gd today and now i'm just like
waiting until next week lmao
lofty widget
im 293, replaced 265 and 278 rings with mecha set today
lofty widget
only trinket i dropped was stun grenade but meh
rather run opc still
next week ows 
zealous willow
18k overall what dungeon is this bro
lofty widget
grimrail
zealous willow
nice job
iron shell
I just got an i298 wep token from weekly. Should I buy a weapon or a shield?
iron shell
Well that makes it easy lol
charred idol
Can someone send me the stat weights for Prot warrior?(pawn)
jagged pier
There arent any
grave crane
Yeah strength > all other stats
charred idol
Oh alright
summer pelican
u guys go embalmer or shadowcore
urban portal
hazy edge
Stones are better st dam
brisk sparrow
got the mechagon shield - but had an 246 shield before - so it is an upgrade even if it is bad, right?
orchid garden
Yes, the blockvalue is the most important about your shield
brisk sparrow
thank you 🙂
waxen orbit
21 Lower
No fucking clue
Why people
Are so carry
Barely timed it and it was pretty much me and lock/ret
strong forum
ive found that dps dont know how to dps
waxen orbit
It's incredible
Genuinely incredible
Ele sham is quite possibly one of the easiest rotations to play correctly
charred idol
Just for the sake of argument. Lets say you have both 230 weapon and 230 shield, and you get a choice of either a 250 wep or shield. What has prio and why? 🙂
patent osprey
charred idol
👍 😆
lament shell
This week kiting so annoying
sonic crag
Did a 16 Grimrail with 1 min to spare. You wont find me in there again this week
waxen orbit
The kiting is fine
The DPS who can't place their AOE to accommodate and predict the fact that you will start moving when sanguine drops, who also then complain and blame you for their low DPS, are the real affix
summer pelican
rember yall to reflect last boss on grimrail
you can reflect the spear?
south zealot
no
chrome falcon
No the shit on the ground
south zealot
the lightning on the ground
vapid lynx
😮
sonic crag
What kind of WA?
One that tells you what is reflectable?
Cause I'd do degenerate things for that
toxic pewter
i think that exists afaik
i dont use it but its pretty popular, if you check pins in weakaura channel iirc
sonic crag
You mean the #ui-addons-manager channel? Cause I don't see it in the pins
chrome falcon
Cause I'd do degenerate things for that
i don't use that weakaura but it exists
my WA just tells me when it does damage
which is hilarious that we need a WA for that considering it used to show up as combat text in classic/tbc
sonic crag
Can you point me to that WA though?
Not on my PC and don't see it in the pins here or other channels
chrome falcon
Uh
Not for me?
Hence why I needed a weak aura for it
Might just be because I use parrot?
oblique garnet
maybe not so washed afterall
lofty widget
Might just be because I use parrot?
chrome falcon
i need to improve my karas
i want to time a 22 docks this week but idk man that dungeon is so stupid
oblique garnet
You know its only hard in the beginning because people dont go to melee and the mobs just charge and leave a dot 
coral marsh
how do you deal with the last boss in upper kara in last phase, do you rush to boss or do adds first?
chrome falcon
i knew that warlock was talking shit
you do both
you grab the adds and rush to the boss
lofty widget
you kinda wanna kick boss fast on higher keys since he pulses aoe
mortal brook
rush boss, kick very late
lofty widget
at least thats what my healer told me
coral marsh
and how do you aggro them then, just aoe taunt?
mortal brook
hit them in the face
lofty widget
swing a few revenges
oblique garnet
these and technicians iirc do the charge and it only does it when someone is in range
lofty widget
technician grenades also fuck
oblique garnet
oh yeah technicians are grenade boys yeah
lofty widget
they are as well
chrome falcon
but it's actually just the guys that look like regular plebs
not as much as the charges tbh if you're not dwarf that bleed is ridiculous
oblique garnet
90% of the issues are from people just not being in melee
coral marsh
and the trash before the chess, where do you start invis potting to skip?
chrome falcon
as late as possible if you're skipping both packs
oblique garnet
and the trash before the chess, where do you start invis potting to skip?
in front of the pack
coral marsh
so its fine if the bats aggro you
lofty widget
it wont
you can get as close to the pack on the bridge without bodypulling before invising
coral marsh
we just ran before the pack, bats spat at us and shroud did fail for some reason
chrome falcon
bats will always spit
that's not aggro
the only way to aggro them is to taunt them
lofty widget
you can shroud past those 2 mobs i think
oblique garnet
shroud will fail if its not distracted properly
lofty widget
its too tight
oblique garnet
I dont remember if rogues can sap the mobs or not
lofty widget
pretty sure you cant
coral marsh
ah sad that bricked a key, ty
vapid lynx
my banner uptime slowly getting better up from 60-62 in gambit to 70%
vapid lynx
my dps is also going, only 12.2k but 🤷 bettert han the sub 10ks ive been doing
i dont think im casting revenge enough, cause revenge and SS were neck and neck in damage
waxen orbit
Rev should be slightly further in most dungeons
vapid lynx
yeah that was my damage breakdown for my 17Gambit
dawn canyon
where is execute 
vapid lynx
right below ravager
dawn canyon
vapid lynx
its right there, guess i need to execute more too
hazy edge
Execute is usually my 3rd highest ability
waxen orbit
yeah that was my damage breakdown for my 17Gambit
TC is way too high
Execute way too low
vapid lynx
ok fixing to do a 19WS soon so ill try adjusting
dawn canyon
WS will be giga exe 
oblique garnet
Execute is usually my 3rd highest ability
This is why warriors usually dont get to have fun with spell reflect
vapid lynx
i just get scared executing in AoE..... idk have this paranoia about doing it in AoE and not spedning the rage on IP 🤷
chrome falcon
IP SUX
hazy edge
<:keks:936231610850897992>
vapid lynx
like i know its not good in my mind
but then i get into big AoE pulls and im like, IP>Execute and idk why
pallid quiver
anytime you find yourself thinking that, just go to the tanking dummy, hit it until execute range, and then start slapping execute and watch indomitable work
It's like magic
vapid lynx
oh thats a good point
hollow sun
<:keks:936231610850897992>
what dungeon lol
chrome falcon
if SR is that high it's gotta be upper right
lofty widget
surely
chrome falcon
actually idk if you can do 3 mill in upper like
lofty widget
nah you can
chrome falcon
does curator puddle do damage back?
chrome falcon
is it really that much jesus
lofty widget
at least in the key i just ran
hollow sun
i have done only one run of karazhan so far, what can you reflect from there?
chrome falcon
i know the base reflect is like 100k but the dot really fucks that hard
the last boss kickable
does a huge chunk and then a huge dot
lofty widget
same shenanigans as the flamespitters in irondocks
hollow sun
ah the one that the healer need to be careful dispelling?
chrome falcon
no
lofty widget
unironically tempted to pul lthose
lofty widget
this
hollow sun
thanks
grave crane
Can you have that up for every one? I think I was getting every other
oblique garnet
what dungeon lol
Ya was upper
oblique garnet
https://i.imgur.com/Wyj1Aw3.png
Only 91% banner uptime tho kinda griefing
sweet summit
ok mr 92% 
oblique garnet
Its the 1% all that counts :^))
sweet summit
strong forum
god damn 1%ers
mortal brook
thats pretty cool but how was p3? heard it was the hardest
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
no, it's not good
sick sentinel
this is on my mage but is it any good for us like tanks and say healers maybe?
chrome falcon
you can basically ignore the effect entirely and just treat it like a bad vers/mast ring
lofty widget
gotta get that last execute in
dawn canyon
ideally a dps dies to it
chrome falcon
i had a very bad group who made me solo the last 30% of the boss
dawn canyon
chrome falcon
and i did just tab out and go make food while i meleed the last boss to death
sick sentinel
yeah, like, its on my mage, but, it got me thinking cuz thats clearly a tank thing i'd imagine
chrome falcon
(they deserved it)
sick sentinel
being mage reminds me is hard job to portals and mage food and intellect buff
alpine shard
https://i.imgur.com/Wyj1Aw3.png
why is there a red class in your group?
sick sentinel
24 second counterspell is oof
vapid lynx
gotta get that last execute in
i got all the executes in, cause everybody was dead >:D
dawn canyon
pallid quiver
why is there a red class in your group?
he's the healer, obviously
dusk jay
What are you meant to do against piercing missiels? that shit hurts so much even with SW IP, saving spell reflect for final tick or is it better to just insta interrupt it
hollow sun
can you reflect something on maiden of virtue in kara?
chrome falcon
no
hollow sun
berserker rage works on repentance?
hollow sun
nice, thanks
hollow sun
signet
dawn canyon
accidentially been there
agile pumice
does bs proc mbg for prot
sick sentinel
wearing a signet in pvp.... popping avatar.... in hopes of proccing BS... to stop a cc....
chrome falcon
but it's very bad
sick sentinel
thats some grade A copium
agile pumice
damn thats gaming
dawn canyon
ravager also procs it
chrome falcon
trust me i've tried longer and harder than necessary
dawn canyon
but after
agile pumice
lmao
hollow sun
i'm running kara by myself now to see the spells and reflects but it doesn't look like there is a lot to reflect for now
chrome falcon
the damage is absurd on it
but you burn all your rage and get 0 SS procs
yeah kara has very few reflects
chrome falcon
but the reflects are very strong
dawn canyon
291 is small
sick sentinel
he's giga to me
dawn canyon
if you aint 300 ilvl are you even trying
agile pumice
im trying to get ksm without doing lower
sick sentinel
i have always been fascinated with prot warrior and arcane mage, ever since playing wow in 2004
but, never tried until recent
hollow sun
tf is that trasmog 
agile pumice
the classic double ilvl labels
pallid quiver
if you aint 300 ilvl are you even trying
Can confirm, not really trying yet this season. Still gettin' me boots back after Evo
sick sentinel
my cloth game is weak
it's pretty weak but thats best i can come up with i figure
quaint glade
im trying to get ksm without doing lower
You kinda can
south zealot
you can
agile pumice
yeah id only need everything else on like 19
south zealot
i havent done a lower on fortified and im 2400+
waxen orbit
prime rivet
Is ilvl still greater than haste/vers for high (25+) keys?
hazy edge
Yes
prime rivet
Or can we drop some ilvl for vers/haste
hazy edge
Ilvl is king
valid finch
unity should be on belt? or some other slot
waxen orbit
Neck
valid finch
ok thanks looking at the wowhead it has belt/wrist/ring so i was wondering 😄
modern brook
imagine not playing anger management smh
modern brook
re this
sick sentinel
valid finch
mecha gnome need to be druids (with transformer sound effect) so 5 ferals can form Voltron
valid finch
so unity - neck, reprisal - boots & i should be golden with leggos?
lofty widget
yea
valid finch
ok thanks
sick sentinel
cheaper trans mog due to less parts needed also morshu extremely cheap due to he's boots pants, shirt and hat
sick sentinel
the spell in lower called "heal" in lower kara, seems like something to put on this list, wonder what that does
crimson walrus
what slots are people running tier in?
chrome falcon
doesn't matter
crimson walrus
solid
strong forum
22 upper is omega chill
I mean 20
Just don't troll on mana devourers like we did
We racked up like 40 deaths and only overtimed by 30sec
And we wiped on medivh once
alpine shard
we wiped on mana devourer at 0% and still timed a 21 with several minutes left
lusty grotto
it is time my dudes @modern brook
slim zinc
We racked up like 40 deaths and only overtimed by 30sec
Last boss doing more DPS to itself than any player helps too xD
lusty grotto
@warm plinth
i am putting in my money
Nome any recommendations of prot WAs? i cant recall what i have installed so ill probably have to redo my UI
😢
im making a big mistake but fuck it
chrome falcon
pallid quiver
Nome any recommendations of prot WAs? i cant recall what i have installed so ill...
Once you get going, you should definitely at least track Outburst with one of the trackers in the pins. Which one you use is preference, though I like the rage spent bar better
i know you didn't ask me but it's a little important
lusty grotto
ill check it out, ty
pallid quiver
I believe Nome also has his own WA suite set up if you want to jack those, too
lusty grotto
ty
warm plinth
Nome any recommendations of prot WAs? i cant recall what i have installed so ill...
weird that doesn't look like classic 🤔
lusty grotto
weird that doesn't look like classic 🤔
pls no 
sick sentinel
NOTE don't invite 250 DH who says "never done this on mythic" to keystone +6 and then proceeds to ninja pull before i can start pull timer
lusty grotto
too late 😦
oblique garnet
broke 20k no JY
coral marsh
is it wise to skip zulgamux? she only gives one buff or more?
im thinking about doing that in gambit
cobalt seal
<:deswind:533073964096946176> broke 20k no JY
is this a feelsgood after losing to nome on dps?
oblique garnet
is this a feelsgood after losing to nome on dps?
I was buffing team 
cobalt seal
So this trinket is no good for prot warrior correct?
dogshit yes
desert solstice
Why do i see some people still using it?
desert solstice
What makes it dogshit?
chrome falcon
holy fuck
i wish i had recorded that
just solo'd the last 40% of soleah
including 2 of the immune phases
cobalt seal
only 8k with execute window all for yourself?
chrome falcon
i didn't get much chance to execute spending nearly 3 minutes without a healer and 5 stacks of grievous
dawn canyon
5 arrow immunes probably tank it
chrome falcon
(this was a 21)
pretty sure our mage had never done the key before
picked up rune on first boss then literally combusted him while he was immune
failed 3 consecutive immune clears on last boss which is why we all died
alpine shard
that's actually hilarious
sick sentinel
i did that boss you are talking about in gambit on a +2 and he didn't even have time to phase 2
lusty grotto
for those of us returning from s1: does anyone know if its better to change to necro now or do the ZM shit first?
or does it matter at all?
hazy edge
Now cause you get renown doing the ZM stuff
lusty grotto
cool thanks
sick sentinel
now
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
because, you want to use the item beside the flight master upper oribos, guy beside him sells a thing that sets u to 60
of 80
dim harness
guys i want to play prot war but reprisal looks akward for me, is the gameplay really like " interv out wait 4 sec charge in 4 sec etc" ? Or does it change nothing in th egameplay
sick sentinel
so then every quest or whatever u do after gives u 1 and u only need to do 20 things to complete each covenenant you want to main
rotund sluice
you'll probably cap out renown pretty fast. it might be worth it to dance around on covenants while you're still doing world content to cap out a couple covenants in case you ever play a dps offspec
lusty grotto
i only play prot and sometimes arms i have no idea what arms goes for now for pvp
sick sentinel
costs 500 gold at vendor if you did some achievement (probably 80 reknown once)
chrome falcon
guys i want to play prot war but reprisal looks akward for me, is the gameplay r...
you have to use charge and intervene to fill your shield block gaps
yes, it is very awkward
sick sentinel
delete reprisal
fallen belfry
Idk I enjoy reprisal
My only issue with prot war at this point is the terrible dps for the effort required.
lusty grotto
reprisal is gameplay departure of what we had to do, esp for boomers like me
outside of kiting shit in bfa with the tclap conflict thing
so thats why people dont like it and i agree
fallen belfry
Yeah and prot pally or blood DK can afk do that dps lol
pallid quiver
I don't like blowing a lot of what what is iconic for Warrior (Charge mobility) on just maintaining mitigation and rage generation.
It feels like I'm taking away character identity for throughput
pallid quiver
Yeah and prot pally or blood DK can afk do that dps lol
i do hoo wha? i mean dk i can understand, but last i had heard pally dps was mid as hell
sick sentinel
i've decided to take a hands off approach to tanking, and play on my mage
and lets see what the other tanks do and where they like to go most
or, if i'm gunna play tank, play something another POV different abilities
chrome falcon
Yeah and prot pally or blood DK can afk do that dps lol
if you can link a log of yourself doing that dps on prot pally i will admit that this class is bad
you can't say
"prot warrior dps is terrible"
then immediately change to "ok prot warrior dps is good but it's hard to pull off"
chrome falcon
20k is not terrible dps for the effort though
also idk man if your issue with prot is that you have to put in effort to get results
fallen belfry
We were talking about reprisal use... I think you misunderstood me
Or I want clear
Wasnt
My bad
chrome falcon
i mean i thought it was pretty clear when you said you thought prot warrior's dps was terrible for the effort required but
sure whatever
mortal brook
same tbh. a LOT of effort goes into performing well for many tanks, such as the guardian druid. ive worn out like four keys pressing thrash over and over, im running out of binds.
chrome falcon
get a camera
bind thrash to blink
i'd suggest doing the same thing with a heart rate monitor but
my resting heart rate when i play bear is 30bpm
chrome falcon
can i copy that opener?
south zealot
<:deswind:533073964096946176> broke 20k no JY
huh
mortal brook
i guess
south zealot
still dont know how u did 20k LMFAO