protection

[drifting fable]

combat uptime no

[cobalt seal]

it does

[drifting fable]

if you dont consider the force drops from RP and walking then yea

[cobalt seal]

Workshop upper

[lofty widget]

right i mean 100 % in combat

[zinc shale]

Places such as the run between first boss and the wheels is a likely drop off in iron docks

[cobalt seal]

are pretty good challenges for 100%

[lethal tapir]

I feel like I'm barely scratching 50% uptime 😄

[drifting fable]

probably a rotation issue then

[cobalt seal]

press more buttons

[grizzled forge]

Doesn’t details show your % in combat time?

If you go to misc buff uptime

That’s combat time ya?

[lethal tapir]

yeap

[grizzled forge]

Ya so I get roughly 60% I was told to shoot for 80+

[lusty tiger]

How?

[lofty widget]

uhm good question

think you disregard the top one

[cinder dirge]

bro

Prot warrior exec dmg

is fkn

insane

[cobalt seal]

charge has 2 events

[south zealot]

my priest gives me pi in execute whenever we play lmao

[cinder dirge]

omg you lucky one !!!

[lofty widget]

how tf did you convince him

[south zealot]

he straight up said that i just do the most damage in execute phase

i was like oh ok

[cinder dirge]

just barely timed a +22 iron docks because of execute

that was crazy

[south zealot]

nice job

i fell out of top 25 prot sadge

[toxic pewter]

If I already have an aegis should I spend my dinar on rdm u guys think or go for something else

[cinder dirge]

went from 11k to 13k5 dps on that last boss in less than 20 seconds

https://clips.twitch.tv/UninterestedLovelyClamPartyTime-UtebnykeKr6SF2Po

[south zealot]

old warrior soul

[toxic pewter]

Ya ows for sure

But after that

What people getting mostly

[south zealot]

dmannn those crits

was that 2 executes and a shield slam proc crit in a row

[cinder dirge]

yes LOL

[south zealot]

thats hella sexy

grats on the key

[south zealot]

im going for defense matrix as well

[toxic pewter]

I guess I’ll get it lol. It’s just too good

Use aegis for raids maybe

[cinder dirge]

i'd go ows

[south zealot]

ows then rdm

if youre m+

[toxic pewter]

Well yeah ows first for sure

[south zealot]

and probably aegis for raid?

[toxic pewter]

But I’m meaning after ows

[south zealot]

idk best raid trinkets

[lofty widget]

aegis is kinda poopy in raid outside a few bosses

[south zealot]

oh is it? ignore me

[ocean yoke]

sigil

[toxic pewter]

I got an aegis but to be honest do people even like it anymore

[lofty widget]

i wont use it, but its still a very strong defensive trinket

[vernal vale]

Aegis is great defensively

[south zealot]

[vernal vale]

I found I rarely actually use it so full dps trinks

Though RDM is stupid goid

[lofty widget]

OWS>RDM>shield for me personally

[toxic pewter]

Yah rdm just seems to overshadow aegis even harder this season if I say so

Because people want dps

Yes exactly

[vernal vale]

Probably my order unless I get lucky on a shield.

[toxic pewter]

I’m annoyed my vault was bad and I had to take a 304 soleah too lmao

My trinket situation is f’d

[lofty widget]

im still using phial+opc from last season

[south zealot]

i vendored my opc so i have to use the vers trinket from id?

i think id

too lazy to restore it

[vernal vale]

I'm still stuck with a ticking sack and phial

[south zealot]

[toxic pewter]

Ya I got stun grenade and I like it to be honest

[south zealot]

i cant wait to get old warrior soul on tuesday

ows and 252 aegis

[toxic pewter]

I got 291 aegis with leech and other tank bdk said to me immediately “fuck you”

[south zealot]

LMAOOO

respectable tbh

[lusty tiger]

My decanter was simming better than sack so I’ve been using that

[south zealot]

i did lfr normal and heroic sylv, normal and heroic guardian

didnt even see tank trinket, dagger or ows drop

never seen jailer or kt weapon and leggo bow drop either

maybe im judt cursed

[drifting juniper]

Guys

does your Dbm need extra stuff for old dungeons?

i can't get mine to work

[drifting fable]

my friends said the same, think you need DBM Wod and legion plugins

[drifting juniper]

ok will try

There is one plugin called DBm all dungeons mod

[drifting fable]

never tried it but could worn

work

[lean yarrow]

i just got raven eidolon, do you guys think that is worth replacing soleah?

[drifting fable]

no

stam bad

[ocean yoke]

Littlewigs has old xpac dungeons as well

[lean yarrow]

okay, compleatly new to tanking so im still learning and figuring out stats etc

just ive never seen this trinket anywhere 😄

[drifting fable]

word. ilvl over everything generally until you get to max item level

then you really care about secondaries

strength is best

[lean yarrow]

my ilvl is 292 for prot atm

thanks for the tip bro

i find playing prot for m+ is much more relaxing than machine gunning 2 hours in a row with fury

[drifting fable]

haha we do a good amount of machine gunning here

[lean yarrow]

i recently commited to tanking fully, made the new leggo and switched to necro

i can see the difference compared to sticking to kyrian in 15+ and higher

got very lucky with the drops too so i took that as a sign to start doing it 😄

[drifting juniper]

i only played warrior for prot and never went any other covenant other than necro,

i once switched to kyrian last season for necrotic and it felt like hot garbage

you actually take damage as kyrian

rofl

thats unheard of as necro

[drifting fable]

its true. i do enjoy seismic kyrian when trash dies too fast

pretty much valor farm or low keys with friends

feels giga bad on bosses tho lol

[lean yarrow]

kyrian is fun, but ive been playing so much fury that ive been kinda numb to it

[solar willow]

Just wanted to say a quick ty on here, I've still got work to do but im seeing way better DPS now 😌 (Was 6-8k, now above 10k every run)

[lean yarrow]

feels fresh using the banner and shields

[drifting fable]

[lethal tapir]

Another question from my side, I'm always getting giga slapped by the Vampiric Claws cast by the Shrouded Mobs when I can't spell reflect it. Is that normal? Even though I have IP and SB up? 😄

[lofty widget]

cant block it and scales with fortified apparently

so it can chunk you if youre not prepared for it

[lusty tiger]

Can FC it I guess

[drifting juniper]

Just reflect it on his half hp and he dies

[hazy edge]

You can spell reflect it for a good chunk of damage in the mob though

[lethal tapir]

I think the Spell Reflect doesnt do damage. It only blocks the whole dmg iirc

[drifting juniper]

and they heal based on how much damage they deal so when you pull 2 of them and they are going to cast 2 claws at short time if you use shield wall its a good time sve

blocks damage and healing which is kinda like damaging it

i thin its a mistake to reflect the first claw cast since he has full hp

[lusty tiger]

That’s the only time I remember to do it

But hard agree

[drifting juniper]

if you get targeted spell weak aura you can see it being casted on your hp bar in crowded packs and you can just reflect it then

instead of having the mob targeted

[south zealot]

those demons are so toxic

[dense pewter]

Is Gluttonous Spike any good? I just got flamed in a 14 for my trinkets lol

[toxic pewter]

Wtf

[drifting fable]

i mean its like mid

it has strength

[south zealot]

not good

not atrocious

[drifting fable]

cant go wrong with that

[toxic pewter]

Who flames someone for trinkets

[drifting fable]

idiots typically

well

[south zealot]

well some trinkets deserve to be flamed

[toxic pewter]

Use what you can

[south zealot]

but not in a 14

[drifting fable]

depending on the trinket

[toxic pewter]

This early though is unreasonable

[drifting fable]

but gluttonous is perfectly fine

[dense pewter]

A grumpy monk. Was using Gluttonous and Macabre's Sheet music. I don't have many options 😛

[toxic pewter]

I would crush whomever disrespects me

[drifting fable]

yeah i would just take other players who arent prot warriors opinions with a grain of salt tbh

very likely they have no clue what they are talking about

[toxic pewter]

Yeah true

I pay no need to weaker minds

[south zealot]

does the seasonal affix scale with fort

sseen conflicting responses

[toxic pewter]

I think it’s by key level

Just feels the same regardless of fort or tyran

[chrome falcon]

Gaming bro

Keep it up

Can someone ping me if anyone posts logs in here and asks for help I kinda want to do a YouTube video on how to analyse logs and what to look for

I think we already have one that one of the yellow names did but

That was before banner

[drifting fable]

[south zealot]

i can give you some bad logs lmao

my banner uptimes are so low

[oblique garnet]

What kind of logs

[real fossil]

Do you guys think about your current outburst stacks when you use avatar?
Some of my rotation mistakes have come from munching ss procs with all my cds just because I gain stacks so fast. You like can’t use enough rage in the gcds with back to back outbursts

[drifting fable]

thats where IP comes in

off GCD rage dump

when it comes in fast you rip that shit

[real fossil]

Shield block +ip in 2 globals isn’t even enough spender

[drifting fable]

but yes, i recommend the seeing red WA tracker if you arent already watching it

well revenge too

but thats GCD

[lofty widget]

SB and IP arent on gcd

theres never a case where you lose outburst cause youre genning too much rage

[chrome falcon]

Bad ones

But a good one to compare against wouldn’t hurt

Fortunately all my logs own so I can use one of mine ofc

[south zealot]

one time i had my outburst proc and then i avatared

[drifting fable]

prot warr rite of passage

[real fossil]

If you avatar at high stacks you can munch the proc before you SS

[drifting fable]

overrwriting your outburst

[lofty widget]

dont avatar at high stacks

[real fossil]

Cuz in ur window you jump 2-4 stacks in a few globals

[lofty widget]

just hold ava for a few seconds

[real fossil]

I think that’s one of the biggest common mistakes that prevents good banner uptime, or I am just too ook ook 🤷🏼‍♂️

[vernal vale]

Want my bad logs from this week in raid or my bad logs from last weeks dungeon runs lol.

[drifting fable]

its common but its easily one of the more fixable mistakes

muscle memory is a bitch and when avatar comes off cd you just wanna hit it

gotta retrain yourself

[vernal vale]

This

[drifting fable]

i mean sometimes you still do of course

[lofty widget]

i mean losing an outburst here and there during high-rage moments isnt good, but its not preventning you from reaching very high banner uptime

[real fossil]

“Don’t avatar at high stacks” was something I haven’t seen

[south zealot]

ye my low banner uptime is because im not playing right

and sometimes i use banner at awful times

[real fossil]

You could say it’s obvious, there’s just a lot going on

[drifting fable]

try to train yourself that avatar should come after a natural outburst

then your seeing red is empty and you for sure have the next outburst

[real fossil]

Yeah this is the secret tech

[vernal vale]

Also try to train yourself to TC at 7 stacks.

That gets it om CD so you cannot hit outburst on it.

[real fossil]

Like a few gcds of bad anger management usage is better than munching an outburst, right?

[drifting fable]

that will help you not TC outburst, not necessarily stop overwriting

absolutely

outburst on TC if youre gonna munch it and you cant get an SS proc

SS will be up for the avatar outburst

[quaint glade]

Are there any WA for outburst by chance?

[drifting fable]

[stuck crown]

good or bait?

[jagged pier]

catalyst

[stuck crown]

i was planning on putting unity there but 🤷‍♂️

[south zealot]

bait

[zealous willow]

i have problem

with banner uptime

i think i dont use TS much

can this be problem ?

[chrome falcon]

TS?

[zealous willow]

TC lol

what i type sry

[chrome falcon]

get some logs and post them

[south zealot]

maybe

[zealous willow]

do u use one 1st pack workshop rockets to kill trash or hammers

[chrome falcon]

rockets

[lofty widget]

rockets

[chrome falcon]

do like 20x the damage of hammers

yes

[lofty widget]

ya its busted

[chrome falcon]

tanks should go solo first pack always

make your group afk at start

and all rockets target you

and you just blast everything

sang makes it kinda annoying but

ezpz super fast and 0 risk

[lusty tiger]

Pls make vid

[zealous willow]

yeah this is insane

i did today workshop it was a bit hard to move them

on rockets

but if ur solo will be ez

[hazy edge]

Just tell your dps to wait at the entrance, jump into the pack and everything will die

[zealous willow]

at next trash before the last boss

do u hide inside the trash barriers

i will try now 19 ,but i think last trash is better

to skip with warlock gate?

[lofty widget]

i mean you have 100 % by that point

so probably

[zealous willow]

the fuckers have stealth detection

[chrome falcon]

last trash is horrific

lock/death skip

or use lust and nuke one bot

[lofty widget]

move the pack to blue, team runs through, you die and get ressed

[hazy edge]

^

[zealous willow]

yeah this is okish

fuck last trash

[lofty widget]

its fine, just abuse the shields they spawn

[zealous willow]

ok im going to try my rotation again vs tank dummy and i will see how much i can keep banner

should i use charge or no

[lofty widget]

ofc

[uneven mason]

Hmm I should come back now and farm up that Megadeth necrolord xmog before df

[chrome falcon]

why would you not use charge?

charge is one of our most important spells

[zealous willow]

i mean

if i should use it on dummy or i can go harder mode and learn to keep it without it

if possible

[drifting fable]

🤔

[lofty widget]

the point of training dummy is to simulate as close to raid/m+ as possible

[zealous willow]

ofc i use it in m+

[drifting fable]

you need charge for the banner

[zealous willow]

some guy mentioned it can be managed without charge thats why , but ok i will ty

[lofty widget]

not to arbitrarily make it as hard as possible for yourself

no

[drifting fable]

no situation where you “wont have it”

[lofty widget]

without intervene

[drifting fable]

ah

[zealous willow]

okey thanks going to try now and see what is wrong with my rotation

[drifting fable]

can always post a log

you can log a dummy fight too

in case you didnt know

[south zealot]

soloing first on workshop is sketchy lmao

[drifting fable]

its still useful

[south zealot]

if ur bad like me

[lofty widget]

just gotta dodge orange swirlies

can pop every single CD to be ultra safe

[south zealot]

ye i just need practice is all

[zealous willow]

im going to try it now

on my 19 key

got good warlock for last trash skip ez

timed

[chrome falcon]

i think it's super easy

you just start with giga fleshcraft

and it's like 10 seconds until you even lose 1 hp

[hazy edge]

rally+ls+fleshcraft prepull on the timer is huge

you get like a 100k+absorb shield

(can game it even more by swapping to Inspiring Presence if you aren't and swapping back after you channel fleshcraft)

[lusty tiger]

And keep a priest outside every dungeon on a 2nd account

[south zealot]

bruh i totally forgot rally and last stand reser

im so bad bro

[vocal vessel]

question - are we not supposed to be blocked ranged physical attacks?

[toxic pewter]

We can block certain ranged physical attacks

[vocal vessel]

kk, i thought they changed it to all ranged physical back in BFA

so like archers and things weren't as bad

[toxic pewter]

I mean regular ranged physical auto attacks we can block those ya

[vocal vessel]

because i just did iron docks and the thunder wrangler throw attacks hit me through block

[lusty tiger]

Hehe

[toxic pewter]

Yah those wranglers can mess u up

[lofty widget]

they didnt change it retroactively

[toxic pewter]

They hit hard af

[lofty widget]

so any projectile pre-bfa will remain unblockable

like the wranglers in iron docks or "throw coin" (now removed) from kara

[toxic pewter]

That explains it

[lusty tiger]

Can you fear them?

[lofty widget]

yes

i think

[toxic pewter]

They can be cc yes

[lusty tiger]

For some reason I remember fearing one and burning the other

[toxic pewter]

And I recommend cc one of them personally

[mighty valley]

some of these packs make me want to go back to TBC ccing

[toxic pewter]

On packs with 2

[lusty tiger]

Fear is really fun when you have a spear dps war in the group

Massive cc

[lusty tiger]

Month 1 of heroics was actually hard and needed coordination

After that it was just a heal check really

[rugged raptor]

codex from streets is good for prot?

[lofty widget]

nope

[toxic pewter]

That explains it

[lofty widget]

can check the pins for a good explanation

[summer pelican]

i assume you all are necrolord?

[zealous willow]

this rockets thing is a bit tricky with sanguine

[mighty valley]

yeah it's best by far

[uneven mason]

Shattered halls and those packs that combined bleeds, sunder armor and mortal strike. When the full t4 warrior goes squish

[lusty tiger]

Yeah I always had full consumes and pots for heroics

[delicate iron]

How exactly do you solo the first pack in workshop, do you use the hammer or do mobs have friendly fire? Does the rest of group just stay up?

[uneven mason]

I did sh heroic with 2 tanks (sidecar feral druid)

[chrome falcon]

i feel like you can just read what i typed and i answered all those questions

[delicate iron]

Ahh, my bad, didn't scroll all the way up, just seen someone mention it. Thanks mate!

[chrome falcon]

sorry that sounded snarky lmao

in a game of league so can't re-type them

[delicate iron]

No it's cool, didn't realise you already answered it. Cheers

[dense pewter]

Do any weapons drop in the WoD dungeons for us? or are we just streets and workshop gamers?

I don't know if the dungeon journal loot table is at all accurate

[vocal vessel]

Grimrail should drop a 1h mace

Scepter of Brutality, haste mastery

also a 2h axe, crit haste if you need that as well

the things they removed from the loot pool are things shared across lots of WoD dungeons like the 10 bracers, 10 gloves etc

and even those have 1 or 2 of those still in the pool

oh and they also removed the artifacts from the kara pool

GOSH SURE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT FOR MOG HUNTING

outright removed

but iirc it was just the one from king mechagon

oh yeah you're right, HK8 could

Tank Buster shoulders

i believe they said the azerite armor was just removed

[dense pewter]

Dang, still rough that there's only 3 dungeons of the 8 that give a weapon for us

I'm 12k valor worth of dungeons deep and still have my S2 weapon on 😛

[waxen frigate]

Oof

I’ve gotten 8 weapons on monk and none on other toons lmao

Including a 304 with speed

Were they good shields

Or mecha lol

Oh nice

I’ve only done a few warr keys

Mostly monk and VDH

[mighty valley]

fatescribe pugs

[waxen frigate]

Vers always pog

Crit, yeah

My pala felt so squishy when I tried it in 21 streets at 279 lmao

Taking like 60k hits in cons with shield up

Haste

And only 28% mast

Ended up just running the 20 on my brew

And doing the same pulls or bigger while barely taking dmg

Ya I regret not taking mast, I had no idea what to go with

Veng kinda feels similar

16 ID week 1 hurt bad

Especially last boss

60k melees with demon spikes up

Then I got on brew

Slept through it on 20

Oh yeah the cannon was fucking nuts

Lol

[vernal vale]

Never on heroic. Normal is only doable because anyone can do rings

[waxen frigate]

Funny that they fixed it for that fight

But it still happens in streets

And has happened for months

I lost a 22 to it last season

Saw growl lose like a 25 to it last week

I mean yeah streets timer is insane

So free

[mighty valley]

which part of streets?

ah yeah

[waxen frigate]

Yup

So dumb

Happened 3 pulls in a row one key

We just called it lol

“Nah, this is bullshit”

What pissed me off the other day was a shitty FDK left my 23 streets

With 8min left on music boss

[mighty valley]

the ID one was baaaaasically guaranteed to happen so it was worse, but wish they'd have fixed it for streets too

[waxen frigate]

We nearly timed without him

[mighty valley]

quaking has gotta be the affix with the biggest spread

[waxen frigate]

1min over as 4 man on last 2

Wdym spread

[mighty valley]

it's either a nothing affix or a huge pain in the ass

(or sometimes auto-kills you)

[royal lodge]

LoL, I wiped in docks on last boss due to quaking happening when the boss pulls everyone back.

[waxen frigate]

Ah

[mighty valley]

i don't mind either/or

[summer pelican]

when to use fleshcraft? i feel like there is rarely good opportunity to use it because im constantly fighting

[mighty valley]

you can just tap fleshcraft for the little buff, otherwise any place where you're stopped for RP or doors or whatever

or if your timer is super comfy i'd use it pre-boss on tyrannical weeks

[royal lodge]

I usually cast it right before going to next mob, in my groups there is usually at least one caster somewhere at the end and I have the DPS handle it, while I fleshcraft.

[vernal vale]

I use it as a spare CD since it does damage reduction but don't full channel most often. Otherwise it's jut when im forced to wait for something like RP or my dps players to actually get to the boss.

I swear they are blind to me running towards the next thing.

[mighty valley]

i play with friends and half the time my FDK is already heading to the next pack, deathgripping a mob to keep breath rolling

[waxen frigate]

You can do it between packs or just tap and cancel for the mastery

[waxen frigate]

Based

[mighty valley]

he's earned that trust

[waxen frigate]

Tbh if he has breath up your banner should probably be up

[mighty valley]

i play with friends and half the time my FDK is already heading to the next pack, deathgripping a mob to keep breath rolling

[dusk jay]

I wonder what gave you that impression

[waxen frigate]

Lol

Also tbh if your frost has breath up for more than full duration of a pack, you probably need to pull bigger

[mighty valley]

how on earth did that post twice wtf

[waxen frigate]

I’ve seen it happening a bunch today

Maybe discord issue

Imagine a place

Good

[hollow token]

Just went back to leveling my Prot warrior after maining a Prot Pally for over a year (yes, I’m preparing to jump on the bandwagon…). Boy, the gameplay feels so different.

[waxen frigate]

Prot warrior is very unique atm

So much going on

[hollow token]

Live or alpha? Or both? I know the changes on alpha are mostly well received.

I’m not even 60 yet so I still don’t have the full kit, borrowed power, etc.

[uneven mason]

Warrior 🤘 paladin 🥛

[open bluff]

someone save me

[uneven mason]

Aren't you a paladin main?

[clever heart]

what does prot spend it's dinar on ? bis trinkets in s4 for m+ 15-20s keys?

[waxen frigate]

OWS, aegis

RDM

Idk if any weapons are bis, maybe KT sword?

[clever heart]

how do we pick between aegis / rdm. like in which scenarios do u use which.

[patent osprey]

probably be trinkets first then a shield if you can't get one

aegis for keys rdm for raid

[chrome falcon]

if you're not planning on pushing just go RDM

RDM is dam aegis is giga defense

[lusty tiger]

What is they key level you’re gonna want to start using aegis for?

[patent osprey]

whatever key level you feel hurts

[clever heart]

kk ty team. much appreicate

[waxen frigate]

Yeah. When you feel the need for an active defensive

[patent osprey]

you can use it in lower keys and just pull bigger too

[lusty tiger]

Then all my dps die

[patent osprey]

u can use rdm in high keys but gave 1 less defensive. its preference

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-tobeymaguire-imissedthepartwherethatsmyproblem-gif-9838697

[lusty tiger]

Definitely prefer 🦾

[lusty tiger]

Hehe poor guys

Couldn’t find personal keybind fast enough I guess

[lament shell]

Prot does do as much overall dmg as other tanks right?

[waxen frigate]

More than most

[lament shell]

If think if i had the same gear on prot paladin id do much more

But maybe prot warr dmg scales with key level

Banner uptime does for sure

Hahaha

[oblique garnet]

Idk how much overall dks are doing in high keys atm

[topaz field]

no shot u stand a chance against a bdk

[oblique garnet]

Idk warrior kinda cranks on st too

[ocean yoke]

either way incoming wave of mythic gavels next week

[topaz field]

especially with gavel

[strong forum]

a good bdk does like 10-20% more than pwar

[chrome falcon]

warrior beats bdk on single target in raid but m+ bosses don't have long enough execute phases for it to really show up in the overall

[strong forum]

this was gamba 17, dk is 297 im 291, dk without gavel

but i apparently accidentally ran bsc

[chrome falcon]

actually bosses die so fucking fast in fated that pwarr probably doesn't beat bdk on most fights

[strong forum]

i did

[oblique garnet]

Also in m+ where there are multiple tanks its kinda scewed compared to high keys done with pwarr and with bdk

[strong forum]

a bear with gavel and cache is gonna destroy keys

[strong forum]

doesnt rly, its just an average dps which cant die

[oblique garnet]

Except you dont factor in the resources generated from being hit

[strong forum]

its barely relevant

bdk tanks most of the time

[oblique garnet]

its fair bit where everything is hitting you vs where half of them are only hitting you

[strong forum]

barely makes a difference, can still keep up banner easily, you just compensate by charge weaving alot more

[mighty valley]

get yourself a brew in that comp for mystic touch

[chrome falcon]

i'm beating my BDK in fated raids too but i dunno what's gonna happen when he gets a 304 gavel

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qMzmZVFyckPB3T8w#fight=3&type=damage-done&pull=8

thats 2nd boss

[mighty valley]

poor outlaw, trying so hard, should switch to a real dps spec

[strong forum]

soleah i lost

[chrome falcon]

ppala definitely gets owned on meters if bdk is always tanking

[strong forum]

its just paladin

cant compete

they can only compete once every 40sec cuz of divine toll

[waxen frigate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/231832474529955840/1006939673190465597/unknown.png

Most I’ve done as tank

On gambit

[strong forum]

i couldve done more than 20k but we had a wipe early on

[waxen frigate]

But brew is rather low Dps wise

[strong forum]

cuz we had 4 fishsticks cuz ninjapull

[waxen frigate]

Oof

[strong forum]

but apparently BSC owns

i didnt know i ran BSC until a few hours later

[waxen frigate]

BSC?

[strong forum]

best served cold

[waxen frigate]

Oh

[strong forum]

legit dunno how i talented into it

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it’s what 50% extra dam?

On proc?

[strong forum]

ye

my revenj crit for 12k

[waxen frigate]

On how many targets

[strong forum]

wdym how many targets

[waxen frigate]

I mean like

What was the overall cast dmg

[strong forum]

highest crit was 12k on a single target

avg cast was 18.7k

[mighty valley]

revenge is sqrt scaling right? total damage creeps up with a million murlocs?

[strong forum]

softcapped to 5

[dawn canyon]

Dude ive seen so many gambits break over sticks i do them full St even during bonegrinder

[strong forum]

only start chaining after you killed the scalebinders

[mighty valley]

i swear people still focus fishmancers, assuming they summon fishsticks

which honestly, fair, blizzard fucked up there

[oblique garnet]

I even have automarker that marks it with skull yet unless i take cc it goes through

[strong forum]

scalebinder = fishsticks
fishmancer = water bolt /puffer fish

[waxen frigate]

Fish was also sticks on launch

[dawn canyon]

Green nameplate and pink nameplate

Ye i just fear pack

90% of the time it works

[waxen frigate]

I few nothing I’m a chad

[oblique garnet]

shockwave my mans

[dawn canyon]

I wish i had it as arm

[strong forum]

revenj

[oblique garnet]

Y i k e s

[dawn canyon]

Ill ping blue names for bullying 😭

[mild sail]

Hey guys is the shield from junk wurth using? or stick with the one from grimrail?

[dawn canyon]

Ilvl>

[raw void]

its bad

[dawn canyon]

But the mecha one is the worst at equal ilvl

[mild sail]

i can upgrade to 298 so ilvl dont matter

good to know its not wurth the valor then

[topaz field]

if u have nothing and play a lot u can spend the valor couz u will bath in it

[mild sail]

thought maybe with the recent buffs to it it was decent

ill stick with the arrowbreaker then

thx alot guys

[raw void]

must be nice :/

[sick sentinel]

crit versa tho

[waxen frigate]

Speed

[raw void]

do the CN weapon tokens still change with cov?

like stat wise

[sick sentinel]

is brew something wortth pursuing? or any of the monk specs?

[waxen frigate]

[sick sentinel]

NF brew in its current form with chi torpedo minus that u can YEET ur self from no rails cliffs, feels, really perfect to me

[waxen frigate]

Brew is great and fun, it’s my main

Nvm chi torpedo user detected

Don’t speak to me

[sick sentinel]

cuz i can line up my stomp with the wave ability and its the same cd length and then i have a roll and the blink dog

and its like really good to me

[waxen frigate]

Yes chi wave is basically guaranteed reset

But NF is unfortunately just suboptimal

[coral marsh]

are conduits from mythic+ additional drops or would i have gotten gear if i had them all already maxed?

[topaz field]

from what i know about u yogi and what keys u play u can pick up w/e covenant u prefer

[sick sentinel]

this variation of brew im playing right now is really tight, i'd have to look into MW/ww but yeah

[waxen frigate]

Oh yeah for sure

[raw void]

additional

[waxen frigate]

It’s suboptimal, but viable

[topaz field]

nf and necorlord will always make u tankier than kyrian

[waxen frigate]

BDB tho 🤢

[sick sentinel]

its okay for mythic plus i think, kyrian for raid, i think necro is good if you have set

i have a green unechanted weapon

[crystal iris]

So I’ve tried prot warr many many times over SL trying to get it to work. I think i can say I finally am getting it

[sick sentinel]

im not a +28 keystone or mythic raider final boss on my 4th alt kinda guy

[crystal iris]

I feel super tanky, I do a ton of DPS, it’s fun

[waxen frigate]

Nice

[crystal iris]

The buff to IP is just… amazing

[topaz field]

but nf is also very affix reliant and kinda bullshit on sanguine couz u want to stay in your fae line yogi

[crystal iris]

think it might be my main when not raiding

[waxen frigate]

Yeah if you have to move it’s sadge

And it’s very rng

Which is annoying to me

[crystal iris]

Rng ?

Brew and pally are fun

But y’a 15s with peoples alts are the worst

[waxen frigate]

Not warr, nf brew

Sorry

Pally feels so squish to me

I like it but it just feels bad imo

[crystal iris]

Really fkn fun and spammy

It’s fun because lower keys it’s more boring just mash shield

[waxen frigate]

Yeah I need more mast

[crystal iris]

But in high keys you need to actually concentrate on CD management

[sick sentinel]

i have a problem on my mage where i go to the target dummy and i do 8k+ and then i go to a zero and i do like, 40 to 50% of that, probably just don't use CD's enough

[waxen frigate]

Pulls that killed me as pally don’t drop me below 80% on brew

[crystal iris]

Things die too fast in 0

Pally feels like a dps

[topaz field]

thats not only u so far every mage i invited to my keys has disappointed me to the fullest

[waxen frigate]

Mage players zzz

[crystal iris]

It’d a lot of healing with the leggo and Devine tôll. But now warrior are great healers too

[topaz field]

the fotm wl return to mage now

thats kinda problem

[crystal iris]

Fire mage, demo lock, surv / rogue

[waxen frigate]

Nah, ww > lock

[crystal iris]

Diving toll is like a blood scale lol

[crystal iris]

Maybe. Brez is big though

It fits well though

[waxen frigate]

Engi brez

Most lock players don’t rez anyway lmao

[sick sentinel]

i don't use my cds enough its that simple on my mage

[crystal iris]

It’s called a CD for a reason. Use it on CD

[waxen frigate]

how bout you CDs nuts

Gottem

[crystal iris]

Lol

[dawn canyon]

WW>demo>>>>destro

[waxen frigate]

LMAO

[sick sentinel]

i'm just not commiting everything when im running janky arcane NF which can reduce cd's

[crystal iris]

Hit take

[waxen frigate]

Nah Destro still pumps

[dawn canyon]

Demo better

[crystal iris]

Never. Arcane is kyrian

[sick sentinel]

like, commiting to putting up totm/rune in good spot

early

[waxen frigate]

Toxic

[crystal iris]

No wonder it’s not working

Kyrian makes arcane easy

[sick sentinel]

i like all the arcane

but i feel its missunderstood

[waxen frigate]

I don’t understand it

[crystal iris]

M’y main for keys last season was arcane

Need a good tank

[waxen frigate]

Sometimes it does 100k Dps burst

Most times it does nothing

I have no idea what causes the buest

[crystal iris]

Yup. Great prio

[waxen frigate]

But it seems inconsistent

[crystal iris]

You can burst every 45s

Other than that you’re useless

And yogi you’re useless in 0s at arcane. Things need to love 10+s

[sick sentinel]

there are 2 talents same row even that are like literal virtual dead, it says it does 800 dmg or something and then its over 10 seconds, so it ticks for like, less than 100 and it can hit another target but it hits for 60% less or 60% of that damage

[crystal iris]

Of your touch of the magi doesn’t drop you do no damage

[sick sentinel]

the other one beside it even worse

[crystal iris]

There is only 1 build

It’s hard to hit every burst and have high overall

Y’a all the cleave stuff is like 5 yards lol maybe 8

[sick sentinel]

arcane explosion spam used to go BRR but i think it got nerfed

[crystal iris]

Check the mage disc

[sick sentinel]

cuz, i would top meters in lfr before hungerer

[crystal iris]

You only do it in between CDs

[dawn canyon]

Level 10 rotation

[sick sentinel]

just spam AE 100 times

[crystal iris]

You basically do your burst, hit 100k, then missiles or ae until next burst

You need to be doing 18s for arcane to work

[sick sentinel]

arcane mage has just fine range

the AOE is small, u have to be like almost WW

[crystal iris]

More prio

Best pack was the one in spires before second boss. Or all upstairs in NW

[dawn canyon]

Ret had prio with ES

[crystal iris]

I would hit 150k and that thing would be dead before spear ended in a 21 Fort

Or mists first boss

Having barrage crit for 450k

[dawn canyon]

Didnt kyuji hit first Boss PF for 300k dps

In that clip

[crystal iris]

Thén Touch of magi hit for 400k too lol

[dawn canyon]

That's what i wrote

[crystal iris]

Mage channel now

[dawn canyon]

Ye

[crystal iris]

Came here to fan girl about prot

[dawn canyon]

I think my highest is like 150k MS on last Boss jy

Forgot big mists numbers

[sick sentinel]

same row both complete ass

[dawn canyon]

Wo

[crystal iris]

Arcane echo is good

[sick sentinel]

does it go with amplification missiles?

[crystal iris]

Just take the build on wowhead there’s only 1

Yup

It looks complicated

Until you scroll down to the kyrian section of rotation

And réalise it’s just 2 bursts

I play some ret

It’s slright

I find it more engaging with tier

You get to react like fury

That’s why I do haha

But it’d fun to drop in a key as ret and blow everything up

Y’a doesn’t even play like that anymore it’s a cookie cutter build

Just swap leggo for ST

Year of prot warr

Prot going to be nutty

With rend spreading

150 rage

15% leech

[coral marsh]

how do you do zulgamux

[dawn canyon]

Reflect the debuff and Block melees

[crystal iris]

Spell reflect

You should be getting dispelled though

[south zealot]

[crystal iris]

IP for the debuff you can’t reflect

[sick sentinel]

yeah, i did zero theatre on my monk with druid healer, forget i could dispel in the golem wing

[crystal iris]

Shattering throw the second blood shield too

[south zealot]

zul gamux sucks

[dawn canyon]

Zul is alright

[south zealot]

borinf and takes long

especially if dps dont use defensives

[crystal iris]

First shield usually disappears fast with DPS blaring him

You can also run out and charge in a lot he has a ton of casts where he stands still

[dawn canyon]

Odds are it ends up being meta to skip it

[crystal iris]

Meh

Depends on the key

Gambit is fine one his pack dies i just pull another pack

[south zealot]

pulling that gambit pack is coinflipping the key

[dawn canyon]

Streets id skip it

First half Gambit for some reason feels harder this season

[south zealot]

yeah streets skip

have to do on workshop

or do last pack but i think u just kill zulgamux

have to do on yard

can probably skip id but i havent done it before

can skip upper and lower

[coral marsh]

when exactly do i spell reflect zul

[south zealot]

just before he attacks you

he does a dot with his auto attack you can reflect

[drifting fable]

vampiric claws right is what its called

oh that too

[lofty widget]

you just reflect on cd on zul gamux, but not right after the purple swirley

[south zealot]

thats on the smaller guys

but yes

[coral marsh]

so its largely just healer check

[south zealot]

yeah just need to be dispelled

dont get hit by purple and keep ignore pain up

[sick sentinel]

see

AE

[dawn canyon]

🤏

Not even 3 digits

[sand drum]

why does PPL still tell me CODEX good and then they add "oh but maybe not for you but for Bdk it is"
idk any tank discord that promotes codex

[hazy edge]

Cause they are misinformed

Codex is not good for any tank

[urban bane]

because people read subcreation and mistake that for knowledge

[waxen frigate]

Because it’s bad

[dusk jay]

Does anyone have a banner tracker weakaura?

[uneven mason]

Is that the new noxxic?

[sand drum]

idk what to tell them :C ive just stoped care but still Triggerd :C

[waxen frigate]

It’s just tier lists generated from statistics rather than opinions

And data on like common gear

[lofty widget]

usually when non-tanks try to correct your playstyle theyre wrong

[dusk jay]

Also does anyone know why my spellreflect weakaura has just stopped loading in dungeons. It worked last week and then this week just doesn't work ever

[urban bane]

But I mean by organizing it in a tier list it is editorial in a way

because people read subcreation and think it is knowledge

[chrome falcon]

finally replaced shitter 278 weapon

[waxen frigate]

Pog

[waxen frigate]

There are good and bad things about subcreation

It’s just data

You need to understand the data tho

[urban bane]

ya agree

I think too many dummies use it as a normative tool rather than a descriptive one

[waxen frigate]

And it can lead to bias i.e. codex

More people see it on subcreation>more people use it>more people see it on subcreation and it repeats

[urban bane]

er, prescriptive rather than descriptive*

yea

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/af444690077b8c7bacd2fe6975b05742

this is

fucking weird, no?

3 ilvls gets me a point in the lower stat but not the higher one? odd

[sturdy sable]

Watch next upgrade is 2 points in haste and 1 in crit

[waxen frigate]

Eh… probably just hidden decimals

Or something like that

[chrome falcon]

yeah i assume it's that nish

it's just odd

hoping i can break 16k with a real weapon

[waxen frigate]

🙏

Good luck

[tough cloud]

Is decanter of endless howling good for tanking ?

Is the heal worth it?

[dawn canyon]

its a damage trinket mainly

[tough cloud]

huh okok!

[stuck crown]

so the pins still say codex is still bad but seeing a lot of prot warrs still using it, even in high keys. is that just cause its better than nothing or just taking it for the ilvl?

[dawn canyon]

they didnt look at the pins

[lofty widget]

they prob either dont know any better or just have literally 0 other trinkets

[dawn canyon]

[lofty widget]

doesnt make sense to use it for ilvl since it doesnt have mainstat

[waxen frigate]

Or if you’re looking wt people running top keys in the world

They play a different game than you

[lofty widget]

shouldnt be running codex in any keys tho

[waxen frigate]

This season prob not

With RDM existing in good iLvl and occupying the same niche

But it’s also week W

2*

People don’t have bis gear yet

[lofty widget]

yeah

ppl just running whatever they had drop

which is fair

[waxen frigate]

And prot warrior in particular is and always had been a bad codex candidate

Even pre-nerf

For the same reasons as brew

(Which I mention because it’s my main so I’ve explained it a million times over in peak)

[spring umbra]

so the specter on hunstman, did I hear correctly that its visible?

and only to the correct player affected?

[lofty widget]

anyone can see it

[waxen frigate]

Ye all can see

[lofty widget]

it just kinda flickers

[waxen frigate]

Some people just find it a bit difficult

[lofty widget]

so its not there all the time

[waxen frigate]

It’s similar to among us mode on lords

But all can see

[spring umbra]

ahh ok, just tried to test that new WA that announces dispel but it didnt load... i think the whole party needs it

or it didnt actually load for the fight

[lofty widget]

the wa will only announce if you have the correct debuff iirc

oh thats strange

[spring umbra]

yea it didnt show loaded at all, but it was a pug so i think only me and the healer had it

[waxen frigate]

I think whole group needs

But idk if there are multiple

[lofty widget]

https://wago.io/tA57y7iH0
this is the one im using

[warm plinth]

@ionic fern hi ily

[neat trout]

has there been a maintained listed or WA for all spells affected by spell block?

i know the one in the guide stopped after S1

[distant crystal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml

[topaz field]

look at pins

[distant crystal]

^

my link is the blockable/reflectable sheet though

from pins

[neat trout]

sick af ty

[vapid lynx]

Is it realistic to maintain 100% uptime on banner in M+? Or is there a rough estimate on a decent uptime on it?

[distant crystal]

it depends a lot on the key

not gonna happen in spires

just press the right buttons and get it as high as you can

[lofty widget]

100 % is definitely realistic and should be your goal imo, but anything above 80 % is pretty good

[vapid lynx]

I seem to be sitting around 65-70 on average

Def need to work on it then

[crimson crane]

i just swapped from kyrian to necro, only averaging about 45s... def need to work on this haha

[royal lodge]

LoL, from the weekly chest. All of my RNG is gone for the rest of the patch and the first one of DF.

I probably won't get a max level shield this patch.

[waxen frigate]

Pog

[vapid lynx]

gratz

i got a shield i didnt need out of mine 😦

[sick sentinel]

using phone to screenshot

well, at least u cropped it

[oblique garnet]

Man hardest part about doing lower kara is not having a single ninja pull

[urban portal]

so how are you supposed to beat the throw

in iron docks

i took 52k

[oblique garnet]

You skip

[urban portal]

ah

[sick sentinel]

working on my mage

[oblique garnet]

Shroud + invis pot is enough to get to the patrolling miniboss which does nothing dangerous

[urban portal]

i see

[sick sentinel]

10.0 waiting room on warrior unless i do raid or summthin

[urban portal]

so its a prot warrior issue

that blizz doesnt want us to block throw

and we get turbo one shot

[grave crane]

18 fort did me around the same

[chrome falcon]

i don't have mdt image but you do a few extra packs after first boss

and then only do 1 wrangler+cow

then skip to patrol

[oblique garnet]

Its only dodgeable the difference is we dont heal ourself up in same chunks as bdk/paladin so you notice it

[chrome falcon]

does anyone know what knocks the mobs in first pack workshop

[oblique garnet]

The sawblades

[urban portal]

dont forget most other tanks gain armor as their mitigation

[chrome falcon]

done that key like 15 times but for the first time today all the mobs+me got giga knocked

and nothing died

[urban portal]

except prot warrior

so throw will do less to them than us

[chrome falcon]

banner gives armour

[urban portal]

even though we have more base armor

[chrome falcon]

[oblique garnet]

It pierces armor iirc

[urban portal]

thats true

ooh

didnt know that

[chrome falcon]

yeah literally it's just

not something you can interact with

just get owned idiot

[grave crane]

Someone said it can’t be mitigated by armor

[oblique garnet]

Old code not coded as blockable projectile but as a spell

[urban portal]

ah

so what you are saying is

dont tank iron docks

got it

[grave crane]

So deflectable?

[oblique garnet]

Nah its fine

[oblique garnet]

No 🙂

You save so much time regardless if you just skip

[grave crane]

But spell also are you skipping after the first pull after the second boss?

[oblique garnet]

You can yes

That needs shroud + invis tho

[sick sentinel]

got a one of these on mage

very cool

[waxen frigate]

Is that good?

[chrome falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7sYxbHl4o&ab_channel=Darkmech

holy fuck man

i don't think we can quite do this shit

but if anyone figures out a gamer way to do something like this on warrior lemme know lmao

[waxen frigate]

I do that on brew 🙂

Presumably it’s not too bad on warrior if you take leap talent?

I’m imagining run to first pack, charge for reprisal, charge to gronn, heroic throw far pack

Heroic leap out

Use CDs as needed

Having a monk to TL or priest to grip is huge

Or have someone wait in the wings for an intervene

The timing is very tight even on monk

[cobalt seal]

with a priest

it shouldn't be hard

[waxen frigate]

Priest makes it trivial

For sure

[cobalt seal]

that's 100% gonna be done in TGP

[onyx reef]

yall rock with Best Served Cold, Booming Voice, or Dragon Roar in m+?

its like the only row i wasnt sure on

[waxen frigate]

Not dragon roar

[jade laurel]

god I feel like a boomer trying to keep banner up.

[waxen frigate]

It saves a ton of time. I always do it in ID if it’s not a total pug

You spend about 1min doing it and save 3-4

[chrome falcon]

hm

looks like they fixed iron docks 2nd boss

?

[chrome falcon]

BV

[grizzled forge]

assuming gears all 288 whats the best to start valoring up first? shield to max or multiple smaller pieces?

[south zealot]

destro lock in my key from start of key to senc boss (attumen) casted LITERALLY 0 rain of fires

[sick sentinel]

did he pump as the kids say

[south zealot]

beat by windwalker by about 4.5k dps and surv by about 0.5k

[waxen frigate]

Lmao

[sick sentinel]

both the names come from the random names and i just hit next till i seen boltimert on mechagnome and lunathyris on replacement boosted nightborne

[chrome falcon]

shield >>

then mechagon rings

imo

[grizzled forge]

ight thnx

any specific rings? or just any of the before and after rings

[chrome falcon]

if 3 abilities then haste

if behind then haste actually has surprisingly good uptime

but if 3 abilities is better

(that's recursion+overclocking

[grizzled forge]

ok cool thnx

[real fossil]

I wonder what overall hps you could pull with the healing -then ring

Healer discords have it worth ~1k hps (in a raid environment probably)

[last pebble]

can you get sylvanas drops from the weekly quest? Like Old warrior soul, dagger etc?

[real fossil]

The loot table for the weekly is across all raid loot- I had a friend get a jailer weapon

[last pebble]

yuuge

[chrome falcon]

multiple people in here have got OWS

disgusting

[royal lodge]

I agree.

Fuck those warriors.

[ebon wren]

I missed raiding last week, if you run castle on regular LFR will that unlock great vault for those bosses? or just fated

[plush moat]

how much vers should u have at least i feel like my vers drops alot with the mechagon ring set

[chrome falcon]

doesn't matter

vers lame

[sick sentinel]

definitely looking forward to use new mage trinket

[urban portal]

probably 1k also

its just every 15 seconds you proc the heal

[grand locust]

getting trucked on 16 gambit. ilevel 277. my shield is ilevel 233. thats most likely reason right? (been pretty decent about near 100% uptime on SB and keeping charge/intervene on cooldown)

[toxic pewter]

yah u need a better shield

you will be so much tankier

[chrome falcon]

that shield definitely won't be helping but we can't say anything with certainty without logs

[south zealot]

bro i just got bopped and my entire group got oneshot

[grand locust]

true

i gotta get logs going

[chrome falcon]

[south zealot]

its either casts or the shield

more than likely

if noone is interrupting or stunning shit youre gonna get smacked up

[sick sentinel]

dk and paladin have it a bit easier for interrupts, monk u just straight up delete annoying things less than like 150k

and legsweep paralyze

[valid finch]

I know necro is considered the best but is Kyrian better for a player that's not a elite player as some?

[real fossil]

If you’re not as good necro might still be better because the strength and mastery gives survivability along with fleshcraft.
Nf would be better than Kyrian as as a second best imo since the ability stops casts in dungeons

Kyrian is a trap

[valid finch]

oh ok i was reading for necro it says to be aggressive, i figured thats bad when still figuring things out

[orchid garden]

NF >> Kyrian IMO due to the cc, yeah.
But Necro is just awesome once you get used to it

[valid finch]

also Reprisal or Wall for leggo i keep seeing differnet things

[hazy edge]

reprisal >>>>> wall

[sand pebble]

who said banner gives 408 mastery on the tooltip?

[vernal vale]

I can report that my alt warrior did not get OWS, RDM, or Aegis from the LFR run I did with the wife.

[sand pebble]

my guildy got heroic ows from weekly box and heroic rdm from raid

[vernal vale]

Meanwhile a venthir prot did get RDM in that LFR and I was disgusted

[sand pebble]

he missed 2 bosses in cn so he doesnt get a heroic upgrade
gavel next week though

who do i have to sacrifice to get an overclocking bit band?

[vernal vale]

I missed Sire heroic last week, and if I cannot find a pug work made me miss KT this week

[sand pebble]

rip

[vernal vale]

My vault was cracked

[sand pebble]

grats

[vernal vale]

I don't have the other one still

[sand pebble]

you want one of the magic absorb ones i have looted?

[vernal vale]

Lol, I need 3 abilities

[torn gust]

does Drape of Shame increase the healing done by Fueled by violence and the indomitable talent? :v

[sand pebble]

increases crit healing and indom cant crit right? dont think deep fbv can either

[torn gust]

gotcha gotcha

[undone verge]

does indomitable proc the heal an ally under 50% ring?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[undone verge]

k ty

[south zealot]

finally got to over 70% banner uptime

progress pog

[oblique garnet]

The uptime will be bad if you play warrior good tho

[undone verge]

yeah, its just the only one I have atm