barghast's leash
#protection
uneven wagon
hazy edge
Leash is super bad
urban portal
but yeah damage is probably better
hazy edge
It’s bugged and can kill whoever you’re linked with
uneven wagon
it just sucks cus its high ilvl so it makes me get into groups easier but its useless
urban portal
im fairly sure applications only see bag ilvl
lofty widget
lfg shows your ilvl in bags
hazy edge
^
lofty widget
so just keep the other trinket
uneven wagon
wait how does that work
it shows your max ilvl possible with stuff in your bag?
that you can equip
ohhh
thanks guys I didn't know that
lofty widget
vers mastery i think
coral marsh
is there a trick to the trash in grimrail train? i got oneshot a couple of times
the trashpacks before the doors
lofty widget
gunners do a frontal you need to move out of, cinderseers puts flametounge on the ground which is a very hard to see flame patch
thats like the main 2 mobs
spring umbra
the grimrail trash on the stairs seems to be buggy af too
lofty widget
before train?
lofty widget
im psure they have fervent strikes so if youre not in range theyll just target melees
spring umbra
i tried to grab the first 2 but they would snap back
ahhhhhh that might be it
will give shuffling a try. Do most of you just do all floors and slowly work up?
lofty widget
nah i rush to the top and just tell melee to chill for 5 sec
spring umbra
rgr
lusty tiger
you can heroic leap up the spiral ramp to save time on banner and from the top you can taunt+heroic throw spam
i usually pull the first 2 shrouded bois at the bottom before that
chrome falcon
holy fuck
i hate the UK
so much
i just lost internet
at 30% left with 2 mins
on last boss iron docks
on fucking 20
warm plinth
Take solace in the fact that you are loved and appreciated my friend @chrome falcon
dawn canyon
i hate the UK
You already had me there
chrome falcon
Take solace in the fact that you are loved and appreciated my friend <@144555238...
not by this pug
warm plinth
chrome falcon
still docks seems like pretty free key for like 20-22 range as long as you play it slow and don't overpull
and death skip the entire second half of the key
median tulip
still docks seems like pretty free key for like 20-22 range as long as you play ...
So just run from 2nd boss to 3rd?
chrome falcon
oh nah
it's scuffed af
you have to kill the first wrangler+kodo
and invis
and THEN death run
to the last 3 mobs
but the last 3 patrol so
ebon wren
thoughts on this trinket?
median tulip
thoughts on this trinket?
Stamina ☹️
ebon wren
k thx lol
onyx vessel
median tulip
If it had Strength it'd be great
onyx vessel
Use to give a buff based on food buff in legion
oblique garnet
and THEN death run
You can make it with druid roar if you have one 
onyx vessel
onyx vessel
chrome falcon
onyx vessel
Jajas
chrome falcon
it's just that simple bby
rich beacon
Is there a trick to wikket or is that just stupid amounts of random damage?
chrome falcon
there's a cicle that spawns on the ground @rich beacon
move out of it
spawns all the time v weird mechanic
just keep moving out of it
and kick bolts
and you take no damage
rich beacon
Y, i know. Im not worried about myself but the group gets chunked.
I guess the monkeys are just random?
oblique garnet
I would think dk's are the most difficult. riding death every X seconds
Healing dk needs alot of trust on healer
chrome falcon
yeah monkey damage is full rando
you can stun and rally and intervene to help group
but that's it
rich beacon
thats fucked
sick sentinel
if i did a zero and i kiled 2/3 bosses and then i make a group, and they kill it they can loot for themselfs yeah
oblique garnet
Yes
toxic pewter
Yah healers love a good prot warr
Why am I looking at shitty shadowlands dungeon content
How dare you post this cursed image
oblique garnet
What
chrome falcon
I will try to find the vid
But if you tank then all in a corner
They do 0 mechanics
oblique garnet
So docks became very free
chrome falcon
Yes feels like the easier key apart from junk
oblique garnet
Junkyard is rough on pugs
deep solar
I've been using demo shout (booming voice) almost on cd just for the rage injection. Should I be holding it to with cds or anything?
oblique garnet
People just die to air
chrome falcon
I've been using demo shout (booming voice) almost on cd just for the rage inject...
Nope send it on CD
rich beacon
No shields and no traps
Huh, i had that today but I just tanked them right where they spawn and never saw a trap
chrome falcon
Just don’t overcap rage
ebon wren
i make sure to pair demo with ravager or other long cd abilities
oblique garnet
And only reason to hold is if mobs are dying and you are close to next pack
chrome falcon
giga exploit 100% gets fixed
no idea why it happens
you're not even losing the bosses or anything
oblique garnet
Their hitboxes overlap and it breaks the code
deep solar
do you literally just pull them into the corner nothing more to it?
oblique garnet
Ya
chrome falcon
Yep
You’re seeing the whole strat in that video lmao
Group has to LOS goblin
To move it
But no
More
odd heath
Do I never use Whirlwind as a prot warrior ?
sweet summit
pallid quiver
unless you're doing torghast i think we have an anima power for it there
chrome falcon
I’m so sad MBG never took off for us
coral marsh
are the 5 guys of that exploit vid perma banned already?
waxen frigate
🤨
dense pewter
Why would they get permad? People have been exploiting dungeons for years. Snap pulls, stormshrine boss #2
surreal thunder
How's Codex of the first technique for prot warriors compared to other tanks? i assume it's not the greatest cause of shield block stopping it from the full potential?
chrome falcon
are the 5 guys of that exploit vid perma banned already?
better that they exploit now so its fixed for mdi
grave crane
do we just get absolutely trucked by the throw from Docks? they were hitting for 64k while SB was up
hazy edge
Throw is unblockable and not mitigated by armor
chrome falcon
you pull one (1) wrangler
in the route for that key
doing any more than that is just suicide
waxen orbit
grave crane
so invis pot the last couple assholes in that route ok
grave crane
i thought i was going crazy cause pulled the middle group and just got dumped
cobalt seal
So docks became very free
the hard part of docks wasn't the bosses
chrome falcon
turning the 2nd boss into a glorified trash pack helps though
oblique garnet
No but that way you can just cleave without melee boss jumping around so it saves alot of time
chrome falcon
and no shield
cobalt seal
it saves 2-3m
docks is done on stars
where you can save 5-10m
if they are done right
chrome falcon
what do the real gamers do with stars
cobalt seal
kill gauntlet xD
chrome falcon
gaming
cobalt seal
since I know you are being sarcastic
chrome falcon
???????
no that was a genuine question lmao
i only do pugs and don't watch streams so i literally don't know what people do with stars in real keys
cobalt seal
people in high keys dont do that
but you did that in WoD, might take a bit of time (or TGP) for people to reuse it
chrome falcon
do stars kill dreadlord 
cobalt seal
can't remember
even if it doesn't
it's whatever, you just kill those with some trash left in the area
oblique garnet
No they dont
warm plinth
need to beat an 11 and i do a 5
Have you tried rolling higher?
sick sentinel
it was a skill issue
hes still really pepega monk, 210 mistcaller ocarina hat i have to spend 3 second using after some dude traded it to me at like lvl 51 when hes 60
ocean yoke
just for chaos i wish they put the dispel affix on remnant
urban portal
just for chaos i wish they put the dispel affix on remnant
tbf dispel on the 9 is already pretty lit
chrome falcon
having dispel affix on bosses that already have dispels is pure mischief
my friend who is in a guild insane enough to do mythic SLG
ran 5 heals even though they only needed 4
just for the extra dispel
urban portal
dont some dps have dispels
toxic pewter
How much healing/damage does rdm do roughly percentage wise can anyone tell me
chrome falcon
like 8%? idk
urban portal
a lot
robust flame
For the reprisal legendary what stat is best haste/mastery or haste/vers?
ocean yoke
haste crit if youre a true gamer
sick sentinel
mastery is mostly poopoo
mighty valley
haste/your fave stat, most people go vers probably
vapid lynx
SR on last boss of Upper is a very fun thing
mighty valley
suddenly all my dps has learned to interrupt
vapid lynx
i wanna see how much damage SR does with that burning blast on tyr week hmmm
mighty valley
Check your fortified logs and add 15%
But the boss has 30% extra health so it won't actually look as impressive relatively
static aspen
3 head math kek
sick sentinel
yeah sr is special in that its really a damage cd more than a dr cd
warm plinth
dont some dps have dispels
Outside of Mass Dispel, only healers have a magic dispel. DPS have the other non-magic stuff.
sick sentinel
example, cuz i dont jnow the perfect example beyond scythe theatre of pain qnd birds spires
chrome falcon
Outside of Mass Dispel, only healers have a magic dispel. DPS have the other no...
imp
warm plinth
Locks are all fotm. Let me know when you find one that even knows imp can do that
chrome falcon
true and based
fuckin warlocks at the start of key
"pull around my CDs tank"
how about you pull about DN
warm plinth
I can't even find a lock that will press purge on the pet they already have out, much less swap to imp to dispel something
sick sentinel
in wcm when you unlocked the basement but its not the lady and lord bossroom yet, near the hole for stairs, there is elite who does a damage over time curse that it increased dmg you took by 15% or it was you did that much less to her, but tlhat effect would go onto her qnd make that mob from major threat to medium at best.
waxen frigate
how about you pull about DN
Based asf
All the lock players rn are the s1 boomies
Aka people I don’t invite to my keys
Had a lock flame me for pulling too big on GD earlier. Checked logs. Guess who pulled 🙂
sick sentinel
warlocks suck at interrupting far as i can tell, i think they have to summon specific pet for real counter spell not that charging demon stun basically storm bolt
waxen frigate
Could’ve stopped after the first 2 words
sick sentinel
oh they have shadow fur ig
for me its shaman, is crap to play, wont get into it
monk has shown possibility in future
waxen frigate
Brew is based
onyx reef
what uptime on ignore pain should you be shooting for in keys?
obviously there might be some between packs but feel like i should be having more uptime on it
mighty valley
"uptime" doesn't really mean anything for IP
you just press it to prevent overcapping rage, which is a lot
mighty valley
you primarily want to spend every GCD that isn't generating rage on Revenge
and when that's not enough to prevent overcap, hit IP too
(which is off gcd)
onyx reef
i just am trying to find metrics on which to improve because im new to it
mighty valley
If you set up logging, you can send a log and we can probably give you a bunch of metrics to improve
The most important thing to start out is really high % of melee hits blocked
waxen frigate
Also banner uptime
onyx reef
banner uptime was 22% which can prolly be higher but i had it going for like a solid minute straight during a boss fight
was nice
waxen frigate
Yeah can definitely pump that way up lol
I think @chrome falcon has a good video on it?
onyx reef
new to tanking and its hard to decide when its more valuable to pop it to kill the trash and get to boss faster and when to save for the boss you are about to reach
like if i pop it on the pack right before boss and then dont have it until a minute into the boss fight, so all the dps didnt have it on their burst on open, was that a time save?
i just dunno yet
hazy edge
I simped for my co-tank on soulrender
waxen frigate
Simp
hazy edge
His executes hit uhhh kinda hard
waxen frigate
Sheeeeeeh
pallid quiver
I can't even find a lock that will press purge on the pet they already have out,...
but i press purge and summon imps for dispells D:
it's one of my favorite things about warlock
chrome falcon
i just dunno yet
you're supposed to have banner up for the majority of combat
in iron docks, grimrail, gambit, junkyard i pop banner at the start of the key and never have to recast
i would advise you go find a target dummy and hit it until you can keep banner up for 4 straight minutes
vestal moat
how do u not recast bannerafter first boss gambit rp lol
chrome falcon
gambit might be an exception but i normally go into that boss room with ~30 seconds left on banner
if we're quick on the 1st boss minigame it's possible to still have it up for first pack in kul tiras
but tbf you're right i normally have to recast
waxen frigate
Jesus
chrome falcon
banner uptime was 22% which can prolly be higher but i had it going for like a s...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols this is just on a dummy so you can't apply it to a dungeon 1:1 but
it gives an idea for what you're looking for
south zealot
how do you solo the shared suffering on attumen]
ik u have to like leap out of the mortal strike
but whats the timing
chrome falcon
leap just before it goes off
but
the actual answer
is you don't solo it
it's a joke mechanic to just soak as group
and you can fail so easily if you try to solo it
south zealot
thats what ive been telling groups
and someone doesnt soak and one person dies
brez
someone doesnt soak again another person dies
chrome falcon
rally if you see someone isn't in
south zealot
i literally run into ranged with the soak and they just run out like wtf???
do dps just have 0 clue what mechanics are
chrome falcon
yeah idk man
yes
that is correct
very important to realise
dps literally do not know what the dungeon does
your healer might be slightly better but not much
chrome falcon
dps do not need to know what the dungeon does
south zealot
is the worst player in my group
chrome falcon
they just need to know how to slam CDs
chrome falcon
yep warlock full stupid class
waxen frigate
🤔 does warr have trouble soloing shared?
waxen frigate
I barely felt it on brew at a 22 earlier
chrome falcon
and solo it
SW cooldown is so insanely low these days
i managed to have SW up for 2 consecutive cannon barages
on last boss iron docks
chrome falcon
correct
i need a group to push with man
out here struggling to time 22 streets pugs
waxen frigate
Oof
waxen frigate
think theres just no reason to solo it especially on a 21
What else are you using your CDs for
south zealot
fair point
waxen frigate
Just needless risk for your Dps imo
south zealot
i guess
either way if im running towards ranged theres no way a warlock with all defensives up should run iut
desert solstice
Thoughts on these bracers?
open gazelle
I got world killer Iris from my weekly? That’s a jailer neck drop? Thought it was SOD loot only???
torn gust
nope weekly is from all three raids
open gazelle
Wowwwww that’s BS
I’m now mad at any asshole that got an OWS how fing lucky can you get lmao
onyx reef
also the wording on unity is scuffed because the increased duration effect only applies to yourself and not your teammates and thats stupid
they get the initial 15 seconds and none of the extension :(
chrome falcon
The wording on unity makes that very clear imo
open gazelle
I can’t wait to have more party support in DF, the wall as a talent to help our party and other cool@stuff like possible skull banner
static aspen
Yeah xd
waxen frigate
also the wording on unity is scuffed because the increased duration effect only ...
That would be giga busted
chrome falcon
And if banner actually lasted that long on everyone
It would get nerfed
1200 mastery basically permanently for your group
waxen frigate
Yeah
chrome falcon
Proooobably not ok
static aspen
my banner
waxen frigate
Imagine an S1 boomie with permanent bell 
open gazelle
Mastery is pretty dooky for us but we love all the rage
onyx reef
"Conqueror's Banner affects 1 additional ally and every 10 rage you spend while it is active increases the duration of your banner by 0.5 seconds." should be your effect probably because "your banner" to me doesnt imply that only i get the extended effect. Of course its my banner, im the one that used it
open gazelle
Movement speed BIS tho
chrome falcon
If I had to pick between the MS or the mastery
I’d honestly have to think about it for a while
I don’t even know what mobs can slow in m+ anymore
onyx reef
i get itd be busted if you could extend it to them too, but the wording on it is not very clear imo
chrome falcon
Idk I feel like the word “your” makes it makes sense but also
Blizz wording
And consistency
=/=
Do not go hand in hand
onyx reef
but its not "your effect" its "your banner"
im the one that cast it
of course its mine
chrome falcon
Shit would be hilarious if it worked on everyone
sand pebble
remember when they nerfed necrofury because it buffed others? even then i thought yeah 400 mastery to other players extended is busted
static aspen
Stop complaining or care. It does what it does, deal with it. Or go sue blizzard if you are american, idk.
chrome falcon
Read the tooltip when you have the buff
It’s actually 408 mastery
For. Reasons???
2% better than it says on the tin pog
waxen frigate
Yuge
sand pebble
im playing nf arms atm so when ever i swap backl to necro sure ill look
onyx reef
Stop complaining or care. It does what it does, deal with it. Or go sue blizzard...
??? what a stupid take lol
we were just talking
chrome falcon
urban portal
It’s actually 408 mastery
Tooltip in wow is never right
Sims are always slightly different and sims calls the most accurate data more likely than not
waxen frigate
You are complaining
Lmao dude it’s a class discord what do you want
torn gust
im gonna try Seismic Rev for more dmg :v
urban portal
Like for example, sigil can say 1285 on tooltip but only giving 1270 in reality
chrome falcon
Seismic is more damage but be careful that you don’t spam revenge too hard
And definitely don’t do it in anything above 15
Or you will die
chrome falcon
Trust me you don’t realise how broke reprisal is until you go without it
static aspen
i was saying the wording is not clear, which is true, and youre pissy? lmfao
Pls stop being so toxic
torn gust
true Reprisal is hella good
vocal seal
Is the Salvaged Mekacycle shield from JY the best for prot right now?
urban portal
Worst
waxen frigate
Is the Salvaged Mekacycle shield from JY the best for prot right now?
No lmao
torn gust
ah fuck me
vocal seal
welp good thing i just snagged it since my other shield was garbo aha
south zealot
if its ilvl go for it
but if its even or less ilvl
trash
why cant people do lower this is actually so dumb
ive tried to do this dungeon ATLEAST 25 times since tuesday
torn gust
took me like 10 tries to finally time one
vernal vale
Ran a normal this evening with a guild that actually had a warrior tank. Problem was they where kyrian.
I gold them to go necro about halfway through when I had doubled thier dps on every pull and just face tanked taragrue.
Normal players are just different
mighty valley
I'm in a heroic pug with someone we'll all hate
Has a heroic OWS
Is Kyrian
Wearing Codex
Doing half my dps
Oh, wearing the wall
south zealot
lmao
vernal vale
I'm in a heroic pug with someone we'll all hate
Oh, that's even worse.
cinder storm
It's like that guy found a reverse sky hold
sand pebble
We dont hate people using the wall who camt stand reprisal
It could be a worse leggo
They could be venth prot
open bluff
why cant people do lower this is actually so dumb
Game’s been dumbed down since legion
And a lot of players have either forgotten the fights or never did them in the first place
queen hemlock
Sorry is conq banner different for fury?
strong forum
Fury needs to spend more rage to extend it, but the buff itself is the same
delicate brook
so are we looking for the mechagon ring combo or we rocking some haste vers rings? (for m+/raid, in case there's differences)
strong forum
Mechagon
The combo offers 6 sockets worth of extra stats
More Stats > better stats
delicate brook
so 3 hits in a row and haste proc?
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
Yea I'd say so, but that's more sim question
You want some crit/mast/vers on your gear naturally
So you'll also run some non-haste pieces
delicate brook
I figured that is settled by the tier set tbh
delicate brook
but combined with mecha rings 🤔
this is interesting
I guess with the haste in the affix u rly don't need that much of it?
strong forum
It's not due to haste affix
It's just a dmg thing
If you count has affix, you actually want more haste
Cuz it's an amplifier
delicate brook
fair
strong forum
The more haste you get, the better haste from the affix becomes
delicate brook
yeye I see what u mean
limber temple
They could be venth prot
I wish that was an option for us. Well a good one..... I just love that covenant for its aesthetics and tone but it saddens me that its ability is trash vs Bastion or Necro.
delicate brook
never simmed for a tank lol
strong forum
Rn I think I have a very optimal stat spread.
strong forum
For high keys pushing my crit is a bit high, could invest a bit more into haste/vers
But that shit doesn't really matter
delicate brook
well I doubt I'll go anywhere above 24 this ssn
strong forum
Ya then you don't care at all
delicate brook
atleast not on my warr
strong forum
Just full send whatever stat you find most attractive
24 is not a level where anything but ilvl matters
jagged pier
I find you attractive 
strong forum
delicate brook
24 is not a level where anything but ilvl matters
I have a ret friend who would kindly disagree, but yeah fair point
delicate brook
I find you attractive <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
😳
strong forum
People overvalue gear, fuckloads
jagged pier
your ret friend is wrong
strong forum
Like unreasonable levels
delicate brook
wth is going on here
slim zinc
If gear mattered
delicate brook
your ret friend is wrong
he was rank 1 ret for a good part of last ssn XD
slim zinc
Being good at playing the game =/= knowing how it works
strong forum
^
delicate brook
that is after he got some avoidance to stop getting 1shot by PF bosses haha
slim zinc
Just as how you can be a god at driving a car without knowing how an engine actually works
delicate brook
hey I'm just chatting relax relax
strong forum
Well dps needing avoidance is a diff story to tanks needing X amount of stat
slim zinc
Same
😄
But for real
if gear mattered you would need ~8 ilvl more for every key level
delicate brook
your point is?
my point was pretty much that ret is meme and needs desperate help blizz plz
strong forum
slim zinc
Dps/healers needing avoidance is a thing since last season outscaled damage from dungeons vs our own stat gains
dps/healers got 25% more hp and damage went up 50%
slim zinc
And k-value on top yh
Meaning you went from "well avoidance is neat" to "Oh guess I want 20%"
strong forum
Which is prolly the reason why tertiary procs occur more often this season
slim zinc
Well
slim zinc
that and loot terts not being reworked from old seasons
So legion has higher proc chance
slim zinc
btw @strong forum playing pwar has actually turned into a health benefit for me lol
strong forum
slim zinc
My left thumb that had issues with that mentally locked joint has opened up due to playing piano pwar so much
finite arch
So as it seems I can't keep up banner uptime more than 30-50 % (yes I am a very casual player) should I consider going Kyrian?
Tanking itself with prot makes fun but it demotivates me that my banner uptime is giga bad (even with the demo shout talent specced).
I also watched that LS window video and on target dummy it works more or less fine. But in M+ it feels like I have to take care about to much other stuff than keeping banner up. :/
slim zinc
Legit went 27 years without being able to move it properly, then played pwar for 3 weeks and now I can unfold it lmao
strong forum
So as it seems I can't keep up banner uptime more than 30-50 % (yes I am a very ...
If you struggle to keep up Banner even after lots of practice, then yes kyrian/NF are better choices
delicate brook
banner is overrated
strong forum
No point in trying to play smth you can't manage
Just like irl
If it don't work it don't work
delicate brook
and if I may give advice, it's not about keeping up banner it's about timing it right when you will have a good window to keep it going (basically to use it when u know u will have good uptime)
finite arch
Okay, thank you. And I guess since I am in the 15-20 key area it makes no difference what cov to play
delicate brook
it will instantly become easier to keep it up
strong forum
100% banner isn't mandatory, but knowing when banner actually has use is key
finite arch
or all of you )
strong forum
Like you want it up for most of packs, but popping it just to keep it up for longer despite it going to fade soon due to downtime is obv not smart
For example in Upper kara I don't use banner on the first 2 mobs cuz you'll just lose banner going up
finite arch
yeah thats for sure
strong forum
Lower kara you also don't re-use banner until opera boss, you use it once and that's it
slim zinc
First pull of workshop too
strong forum
Yah
finite arch
but for example, iron docks is a dung where u can chain pull pretty good
even I know that, lol
finite arch
hehe
strong forum
No point popping it there
finite arch
27 % here brother
strong forum
Hell yeah
finite arch
thats the spriti, innit?
and key went smooth, +2 a 15
(casual as I said happy with a +2 on 15)
strong forum
It's almost as if personal performance doesn't determine wherether you can time a key or not, but group performance matters more
jagged pier
case in point some of the top io prots last season
and nerf this season before he rerolled back to bdk
dude couldnt keep banner up
to save his life
strong forum
It's obv beneficial if you play well, but not mandatory
As shown per high rio tanks
finite arch
also I see that still revenge and shield slam CPM is way too low on me 😄
but prot warr is way to fun to swap
strong forum
That's all that matters in the end
Which also alot of people forget when it comes to wow
fun
strong forum
Bdk is the best example rn, meta, disgustingly strong, yet alot of people find it boring
finite arch
Tried BDK in S2 or early S3 just to try it out and it is just not my specc. Same goes to Prot pally
jagged pier
i only liked it in wrath
strong forum
I wonder how many people will be confused by the rune system in wrath
jagged pier
a lot less than back in the day
finite arch
wow dk was hella nice
jagged pier
but then again u could smash face into your keyboard and still do alright back then
finite arch
it is so bad that they reworked the rune system
brittle owl
I wonder how many people will be confused by the rune system in wrath
the rune system in wrath was the most engaging part of dk
once it got dumbed down the appeal was lost to me
sure the nuance and management skills were superfluous for the most part but it added alot of flavour and sometimes it made the diff between a bad and a good DK
urban bane
ive not liked blood dk as much since death strike was made an rp spender and marrowrend was put in
i guess thats legion?
cinder nova
Do dinar buys start at Normal?
dawn canyon
yea
cinder nova
Hmmm
still worth to fish a N OWS and bump it to H, save me a dinar and move me up the track no?
cold zealot
lol fish a N OWS
It is just luck to get any level of OWS and then bump it to the max you can
mighty valley
Might as well do all the bosses with items you care about at every difficulty you can
hollow dove
but prot warr is way to fun to swap
imo prot warrior is the most fun tank around. Its has an excellent class fantasy and a fun playstyle (though imo reprisal can be burdensome sometimes as well lol)
mighty valley
Think it’s 285/288
wary plume
am i right in thinking that the chances of actually getting a shield from grimrail are near-zero because theres like 100 other items it can drop for some reason?
finite arch
So when switchting to Kyr or NF for M+ tanking, which soulbind should I take?
Kyr -> probably mikanikos but who for NF?
hollow dove
How is Seal of Darkshire nobility for us? At 298 209 vers and 123 mastery and the passive "the first time you damage an enemy they deal 10% less damage to you for 4 seconds)
slim zinc
How is Seal of Darkshire nobility for us? At 298 209 vers and 123 mastery and th...
The effect is massively underwhelming
It's generally better defensively than an equivalent ilvl ring
but it's not nearly as good as the mechagon ring combo
hollow dove
aight thanks ❤️
Yea i have one part of the mechagon comba and a vers/crit ring all at same ilvl (294) and was thinking of swapping out the mechagon ring with the seal as long as i dont have the ring combo yet
drifting juniper
vague otter
summer pelican
bis trinkets are the trinket from nine and syl?
queen hemlock
what is usually the most important part to upgrade to max lvl with valor first
as prot or as dps
lime urchin
Shield, weapon, juicy trinkets
queen hemlock
so generally armors are less important compared to those? alright thanks man
drifting fable
bis trinkets are the trinket from nine and syl?
rdm and ows off guardian and sylvanas. aegis is also good
river fiber
Are there any acceptable, non BIS, dungeon trinkets that you would recommend targeting as alternatives?
lament shell
Dungeons dont have good trinkets. Only soleah
topaz field
soleahs is ok
lament shell
Only good trinket from dungeons
lament shell
There isnt one for strenght users
topaz field
oh could be agi mb then
lament shell
Only agi and intellect
topaz field
it seems as usual that u gotta raid for decent gear xD
there is only the bell i think but it has stamina which is kinda yikes and one trinket with vers and on use vers
and that boosted trinket from workshop so yea xD soleahs and thats it
topaz field
reprisal is boots always and your unity has several options.. u want to put it in a slot that provides the least primary stat as it remains 291 until the end of SL
favorable options are wrist/neck/ring
cloak is also an option
severe swallow
i have a 304 cloak atm, i just dont want to get a better gear slot
and waste 100k on the 291 item
topaz field
wrist is a pretty safe pick if u aim for mechagon rings but idk what your plans are in terms of optimizing your gear eventually in terms of mythic raiding
river fiber
Dungeons dont have good trinkets. Only soleah
Wonderful. LFR it is. Thanks for the info.
severe swallow
wrist is a pretty safe pick if u aim for mechagon rings but idk what your plans ...
Well Im
main spec dps
so I'll have to farm mecha rings in any scenario
so you reckon wrist is best choice?
topaz field
u can also keep your unity belt if u dont want to spend gold now and wait 1-2 more weeks
but ye i would put it on wrist
since the neck from tazavesh is pretty good
brave flume
What trinket should aim for in for mythic plus ?
finite arch
soleash and mayb grenade, or eye of command for str
tawny maple
Hey guys since we like haste so much we should pick another affix right?? Because we have so much already and versatility is good? 
lofty widget
affix is % haste which makes it better the more we have
so you wanna pick haste always
tawny maple
Idk man dont warriors need vers because they are bad at magic damage??
strong forum
lofty widget
read the pins
drifting fable
minor helm
uneven mason
Idk man dont warriors need vers because they are bad at magic damage??
I see this meme is another feature of BFA to survive all of shadowlands
wild hemlock
yooooo has anyone seen iron docks 2nd boss tech
strong forum
Pull around corner
jagged pier
waxen frigate
The non-exploit tech for that dungeon is kiting the gauntlet into stars
Saves so much time
Kinda monka tho while gathering
deep solar
anybody have a good execute weakaura? I don't like how my name plates change color
waxen frigate
Can make one pretty easily, just do a text weakaura or something and maybe add audio cue
dawn canyon
anybody have a good execute weakaura? I don't like how my name plates change col...
Plater has execute as a thin line enabled by default
waxen frigate
I'm a bit of a giga boomer at making weak auras
You can probably just use the template maker
vernal vale
For example in Upper kara I don't use banner on the first 2 mobs cuz you'll just...
this
vernal vale
Dps players so slow and I just keep running right to the top after a taunt shield slam.
chrome falcon
22 gambit pug with a spriest and 2 MM hunters
literally one stun for all the murlocs
vernal vale
Oof
chrome falcon
the slimes?
idk
normally people just los on a pillar
but the dreadlord means there's a cloud in that spot if they fuck it up
summer pelican
yes ive done alot of workshop keys but always struglle there
vernal vale
I'm feeling so bad on my drop luck out od Sanctum
mellow bridge
play the first 3 mobs solo
then pull all slimes at once and use the middle pillar for los
then play the remaining mobs and the miniboss
chrome falcon
yeah dame same
full clear all difficulties (skipped mythic sylv and still got a bit of LFR)
and just nothing
vernal vale
full clear all difficulties (skipped mythic sylv and still got a bit of LFR)
I'm missing heroic KT because of work. And haven't tried to pug the first several on mythic yet. Watched a kyrian prot warrior get RDM last night in a normal run I did.
I was doubling the guys dps and surviving shit he was dying to.
Felt bad
summer pelican
i got shard both on normal and heroic from nine
vernal vale
Won't lie I'm jelous
hollow token
Leveling as a Prot warrior feels tedious. Like I’m just spamming the same three buttons. I assume things get better at cap??
coral marsh
how do we deal with the shieldmobs in workshop exactly, do we always stand in it and move mobs outside of it?
hollow token
You can try, but it gets difficult
Especially with quaking or sanguine
But that’s the generally idea from what I understand.
coral marsh
afaik at the last trash pack you need to move into the shield because the robot aoe is too much otherwise?
waxen frigate
how do we deal with the shieldmobs in workshop exactly, do we always stand in it...
Don’t really need to stand in it
coral marsh
or do you need to move the robot into it?
coral marsh
but i got flamed on last pack for not moving into shield
waxen frigate
Did you die
coral marsh
no the dps
hollow token
💯
coral marsh
and is there any way to avoid the reset bug on king mecha?
waxen frigate
How would a tank standing in the shield affect their standing in the shield
That’s 3head as fuck
coral marsh
i guess the healer had to spam heal me too much
hollow token
Haven’t encountered that bug…
coral marsh
after all i do +10 with 255 gear
hollow token
What is the bug and when does it happen
waxen frigate
Wack
hollow token
Id be pissed
waxen frigate
Haven’t seen that but I’ve only done like 3 shops
hollow token
Haven’t seen that
coral marsh
probably because healer + dps died and the boss briefly wanted to aggro them, i think i read about that
chrome falcon
Leveling as a Prot warrior feels tedious. Like I’m just spamming the same three ...
your main rotation is still the same 3 buttons being spammed
but you also have an off-gcd rotation
so at endgame with good gear your cpm is 80-100
hollow token
Thanks, that’s what I’ve been reading. Another noob question… do we ever really use whirlwind?
chrome falcon
no
hollow token
Lol, I never put it on… just making sure I wasn’t missing something.
uneven mason
WW was a stupid addition to the general kit that they basically put up a dart board and was like what buttons do warriors press alot of in classic!
waxen frigate
Revenge is just whirlwind but better
Idk why it doesn’t just replace whirlwind for prot
uneven mason
Should've brought back cleave
chrome falcon
got leech gloves and bis mechagon ring in the same run
5% leech now baby i'm already playing dragonflight
waxen frigate
I have 11% leech on brew
After not seeing a single leech piece last tier
Feels good man
Pretty sure they buffed tertiary drops this tier
lofty widget
think its just the old dungeons have a higher chance at them
they can also roll double tertiary
vernal vale
5% leech now baby i'm already playing dragonflight
Nice, pumping those heals up
lofty widget
5% leech now baby i'm already playing dragonflight
10 % 
vernal vale
A guy in my guild got a socket leech mechagon 3 ability ring
waxen frigate
they can also roll double tertiary
Haven’t seen that yet
urban portal
Don’t think they roll double tertiary
One is garuanteed
You know this because if you catalyst it, one of the tertiary is gone
lofty widget
maybe, just a guildie who told me
south zealot
thats the speed glove
lethal tapir
Am I the only one having issues with tanking Lower Kara? Feel like that dungeon is fucking brutal on prot warrios :S
south zealot
what part
uneven wagon
since we only need 4 pieces for the set bonus which slot is the one we don't want tier gear in?
south zealot
in general its a little rough but not that bad
uneven wagon
Am I the only one having issues with tanking Lower Kara? Feel like that dungeon ...
nah fuck lower kara and fuck those flashlight pieces of shit
south zealot
skip them
lethal tapir
I skip the flashlight pieces all the time
waxen frigate
Ya you don’t pull those
uneven wagon
what if you dont have a rogue
waxen frigate
They give fuck all %
lethal tapir
it's more like the non elites hit me for 60k on a +20 xD
waxen frigate
what if you dont have a rogue
Pot?
uneven wagon
ah
south zealot
it's more like the non elites hit me for 60k on a +20 xD
with wgat
the searing cast?
waxen frigate
Fr
waxen frigate
The non elites are irrelevant for me
south zealot
ye need kicks
lethal tapir
yeah, mightve just had a bad grp
south zealot
if they keep casting over and over u will die
but if u have leg sweep or a lock u should he find
or even shaman stun
lethal tapir
btw, would you rather play a 304 Eye, 304 Gluttonous Spike, 278 Elegy or 262 Scale? 😄
uneven wagon
since we only need 4 pieces for the set bonus which slot is the one we don't wan...
does anyone know
any knowers
vernal vale
since we only need 4 pieces for the set bonus which slot is the one we don't wan...
Rygalon gloves are good. So I'm leaving out gloves
uneven wagon
btw are we still keeping reprisal on boot
south zealot
btw are we still keeping reprisal on boot
yes
uneven wagon
cool thanks
its so annoying that there's no quick overview ingame of what M+ drops what
uneven wagon
good luck
uneven wagon
think there is a weakaura
any idea what it's called i cant find it
south zealot
nah i dont know
waxen frigate
Dungeon journal?
orchid garden
how do you guys deal with the trash after 1st workshop boss
2 far we always played the first 2 mobs and then the affix boss+add and skipped all slimes in between
waxen frigate
Not like the scaling matters that much
You really just care about the distribution
Since it’s gonna be relatively even at equal iLvl
steel mist
should i use 291 the nine tanking trinket and 278 alar trinket for m+ push?
waxen frigate
Nine yes
Alar maybe
But cheat death is a crutch
Theoretically it’s better to use a Dps trink
steel mist
i got codex and i got the dps trinket from soulrender
uneven wagon
cheat death planning for failure
waxen frigate
If you have to ask about trinkets, you don’t need codex
If you’re at the level where you need it, you’re good enough to know
vernal vale
should i use 291 the nine tanking trinket and 278 alar trinket for m+ push?
Honestly alar is only useful if your pushing giga keys
Codex is vendor garbage
waxen frigate
Honestly alar is only useful if your pushing giga keys
Yeah otherwise it’s a skill issue
There are some strats with it too
steel mist
i did a streets 15 and it didnt procced once
waxen frigate
i did a streets 15 and it didnt procced once
If you’re running 15s you should just run Dps trinks
I run double Dps trinks in low 20s rn as brew at least
vernal vale
As the the trinket off the 9 it's incredible in all content as a good defensive but I hardly pushed it running up to 20s last season so I went full dps trinkets
waxen frigate
Will switch to aegis as I get into mid 20s, or RDM
steel mist
well i wish but my guildie healer will be screaming , HELP ME DONT PULL TWO PACKS
vernal vale
Healer or you are playing poorly then.
steel mist
he is a pvp healer
vernal vale
Have a log?
vernal vale
Most pvp healers are better at the transition to pve than the other way around.
steel mist
shit its not logged, i mean he is doing his best and im trying to make him get used to double and triple pulls
its grievious he is having issues with
waxen frigate
Most pvp healers are better at the transition to pve than the other way around.
Idk, I got to 1800 easily having never pvped before
Just hit CDs when they hit CDs
And press heal buttons
🙂
vernal vale
Lol
steel mist
i detest pvp
odd tree
If you’re running 15s you should just run Dps trinks
Agree, currently running a 278 opc and a 304 so leah
waxen frigate
I legit got to 1800 having no fucking idea what was happening
With super off meta comp
steel mist
especially those priest with the res leggo
waxen frigate
FDK/hpala
vernal vale
To be fair I haven't pvped in years
waxen frigate
I literally just pressed buttons
When hp went down
Didn’t press buttons when it didn’t
Ez clap
steel mist
dude FDK and holy pala is sick in twos
steel mist
i thought it was threes
sick sentinel
i see a fuck load of FDK in mythic dungeonas
sick sentinel
i guess mostly i play tank so thats why, but i mean, in bfa it used to be UH was goto dps
steel mist
breath of sin
waxen frigate
Breath go brrr
waxen frigate
breath of sin <:deadge:900279927138578432>
Skill issue detected
sick sentinel
the DK i played with was UH pvp and dps in keys, and blood if i wasn't there
steel mist
i just dont like the style i have to juggle my runic power for the breath, im a simple man(something flashes, i hit the button)
waxen frigate
My DK would sometimes play UH
sick sentinel
he seemed to dislike bfa frost alot
waxen frigate
Idk man
sick sentinel
like i would ask him about it and he would just say UH is better
south zealot
Will switch to aegis as I get into mid 20s, or RDM
rdm?
waxen frigate
Like I said my PvP experience was stumbling around and winning
steel mist
frost dk in bfa was SKETCHYYY
south zealot
ah
south zealot
unholy in bfa m+ was so good
sick sentinel
warrior paladin and dk, there wasn't a plate transmog we didn't have i think
south zealot
if u could pull a ton
waxen frigate
I kinda wanna PvP again
steel mist
unholy in bfa m+ was so good
EPIDEMIC 1 MILLION DAMAGE
waxen frigate
HPala is fun
south zealot
mdi pulls you would hit like 1m dps
sick sentinel
he ALWAYS did really good damage compared to rest of team
but i wasn't big puller back then either
steel mist
back then i was guardian druid as tank when it wasnt cool.
sick sentinel
i had one of everything on horde at 120
but i played none of it
so, now im working on getting more alliance toons and more 50's to 60
uneven wagon
anyone know if this is any good?
urban portal
Mid to bad
chrome falcon
it's not the worst trinket out there
if it had main stat it would be solid
but static vers is yikes
tired niche
Just picking the game back up, can you do Kara and the other dungeons as an M0?
Bummer so the only M0 that will give gear you can upgrade is Tazavesh?
Copy, thank you
slim zinc
Copy, thank you
Note that people are blasting +2-5s for valor since it's uncapped so if you get a key you can usually post it and people will blast it for you
tired niche
Yeah I haven't tanked in years so I'm kind of being a baby and trying to avoid M+ for a bit. But I need to just do it lol
slim zinc
Don't worry, just accept anyone, even other tanks
We've been signing up to junkyards and blasting them in 8 minutes with 4 tanks
tired niche
wtf lol
tired niche
Okay that is actually hilarious
waxen frigate
Based
strong forum
na
spark scroll
my life for a shield and 1h
toxic pewter
I got 298 shield and I feel so much tankier
sturdy sable
Im using a 291 mecha shield and i hate it
Only 298 pieces i got was a pair of boots
Reprisal is my boots
zealous willow
Ok so i go to dummy and try to make banner at least to 3min right ?
if i cant what can be the problem
lusty tiger
Are you charge weaving
drifting fable
you can get pretty high without intervene
just a matter of playing well
can always ask a friend to afk there if you really wanna get intervenes
uneven wagon
or you can drop a turnip in oribos and use some afk guy
drifting fable
turnip wont hit you which will cut back on melee rage, but you should still functionally be able to make it work
lofty widget
3 min on a passive dummy without intervene is possible btw
safe thistle
Any covenant work for m+ of you don't like banner or are bad at it go NF or kyrian.
drifting fable
^
lofty widget
and much longer for that matter
lusty tiger
Can you never miss a ss proc?
drifting fable
any covenant is fine for lower keys but you sacrifice alot of tankiness by not going necro
vocal verge
Do you have to pull one of those 2 packs of accomplice in the last room of gambit?
uneven wagon
turnip wont hit you which will cut back on melee rage, but you should still func...
target dummies hit you?
i did not know that
lofty widget
Do you have to pull one of those 2 packs of accomplice in the last room of gambi...
the right pack will aggro if you get too close to it during last boss, but you can skip the left pack
safe thistle
Got a heroic matrix it rocks
lusty tiger
Lucky 🦆
safe thistle
That's the season you can be so good with all the item available
lusty tiger
and much longer for that matter
I’m serious though. What does it take? Never missing ss and never over capping any rage?
lofty widget
pmuch
safe thistle
You can use it on Tc it's better than waiting on refresh
drifting fable
kinda, if youre out of options in ST then yea outburst a TC
drifting fable
but if you have charges up you wanna try and reset SS first
safe thistle
The affix give so much haste you drown in rage
Ows is very good, i did LFR,nromal,heroic so far to try my luck
You can boost it to heroic/mythic with token
grizzled forge
Man still feel like I can’t keep banner up past 60% in a dungeon despite having like 80% uptime on ignore pain shield block etc
lofty widget
Possible without OWS?
here's a log of me on a turnip for 5 minutes, banner never dropping below 15 seconds
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z6zhQmMWxAN1v794/#fight=8&type=casts&source=6
cobalt seal
Man still feel like I can’t keep banner up past 60% in a dungeon despite having ...
and SS casts?
drifting fable
Man still feel like I can’t keep banner up past 60% in a dungeon despite having ...
chrome falcon
Man still feel like I can’t keep banner up past 60% in a dungeon despite having ...
Logs would help us figure out what’s up
chrome falcon
But yeah cro’s right
lethal tapir
Wait, you guys keeping Conq Banner up for 100% inside dungeons? O_O
lofty widget
yep
drifting fable
depends on the dung but yea
lofty widget
imo it doesnt
drifting fable
well
lusty tiger
here's a log of me on a turnip for 5 minutes, banner never dropping below 15 sec...
83cpm word. Gonna need some adhd scripts for that lol