crom being toxic first message as usual 
#protection
jagged pier
cobalt seal
no they dont
slim zinc
I you don't need PoM casting it is a wasted global for damage
sick sentinel
healer CAN be nice as in 99% of times you just spam heals on the tank and/or whichever dps is the most stupidest
cobalt seal
crom being toxic first message as usual <:seramore:917663298869145640>
I havent told yogi to shut up yet
sick sentinel
but, i only did healer in 2004 vanilla wow, paladin
slim zinc
In m+ your goal should be to heal as little as possible 🤷♂️
sick sentinel
cuz of nessecity
wary plume
yeah PoM is a wasted global in m+
its very low hps
you either cast Heal to do an actual heal
or dps
PoM is only really used when moving between packs
but this is hyper off topic haha
slim zinc
And renew is only useful in exceedingly rare cases
sick sentinel
prayer of mend is the one you put it on a player and when it does its heal it jumps to another player eh?
sick sentinel
i like that ability alot
wary plume
heal simply heals more for the mana and the global
wary plume
that priest isn't running FC
sick sentinel
my main concern and hope for dragon flight is that the talents won't just become "oh your a rogue? these are only valid ones"
sick sentinel
within like, a week
solar willow
my main concern and hope for dragon flight is that the talents won't just become...
Agreed 😌
I want a different build for each dungeon/raid
And different for each affix week
wary plume
thoughts on fusion hacker?
sick sentinel
i don't even know about that so much, but like, its like, you can use this set of talents or abilities for more than just these 2 very specific raid bosses that spawn adds that need to be silenced and slowed
limber galleon
sorry I've been playing arms as an alt for some time, I have never ever activated the Prot spec before today, this is the most newb question you'll get today probably but where does one get a shield in the Shadowlands? I though the NPC in Zereth Mortis would sell one but I wasn't able to find one.
wary plume
sorry I've been playing arms as an alt for some time, I have never ever activate...
anima guy in ZM does
the off hand item
strong forum
thoughts on fusion hacker?
id just sim it
limber galleon
it created a 1h mace both times I bought it 😦
strong forum
in ST itll prolly win vs equal ilvl, but in aoe stats are better
jagged pier
it created a 1h mace both times I bought it 😦
u have to keep going its random
wary plume
fair enough
limber galleon
u have to keep going its random
ha gotcha thank you
silent brook
is mechagon shield any good for m+?
oblique garnet
Yeah blasters whenever they are moving
vernal vale
is mechagon shield any good for m+?
If it's highest ilvl use it if not no. The proc is dogshit and 1ppm
silent brook
If it's highest ilvl use it if not no. The proc is dogshit and 1ppm
thanks!
sick sentinel
those grenade fuckers beside twins boss in that place REALLY used to hurt on fort
orange swirlies, but its like 200% + deleted if dps/healer gets hit by them
sick sentinel
i mean, half valid, depending
sick sentinel
sometimes i like to have piece for transmog
cobalt seal
you dont farm transmog
but for sure if I get any I debate myself if I'm gonna trade it
sick sentinel
no, but what im getting at is i ran with paladin DK all the time, so, we got pretty much every possible plate appearance out of mythic dungeons from BFA and traded it to eachother 100 times over
there was even another ret paladin
rugged raptor
Is there a point in haste when it benefit less?
cobalt seal
benefit less?
zinc shale
he probably means when it DRs
coral marsh
is the junkjard special shield good?
coral marsh
so it always beats statstick if higher itemlevel
manic schooner
NF or Kyrian for pugging 15s for KSM? Either have a leg up or just preference?
oblique garnet
Necro
manic schooner
Necro
If I wanted to play Necro I would have listed them as an option. I find the Cov boring
uneven mason
PepPerRiDge fArm R e m E m B erS
i spent the last year+ in living situation limbo so keeping up with warrior stuffs was low priority ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lofty widget
If I wanted to play Necro I would have listed them as an option. I find the Cov ...
If you dont wanna play necro kyrian and nf Are just different shades of blue. Pick what you prefer
drifting fable
yea you can turn it into tier
sick sentinel
saw them at AH for over 100k, put it for 150k, nobody buying so guna lower price
vestal moat
Is titanic ocular gland worth looking at for us ? Just got a mythic one. The drawback sucks but it’s a lot of stat maybe in non challenging content or something ?
undone verge
Yes but which one
jagged pier
he has 1 cast u can actually do anything about
maybe u should check the sheet in the pins
sick sentinel
probably morally wrong to sell a mythic 0 ilvl for 150k, but if someone bought it wouldn't complain
vestal moat
What is tye highest key level fortified we feel super comfortable soloing workshop first pack trash with ?
crystal iris
We still run ashen jugg in M+ correct? I dont find myself executing that many times in succesion
chrome falcon
That means you’re not executing enough
Or doing low keys where everything dies instantly
crystal iris
For sure, but also things dont generally stay around 20% much
chrome falcon
What is tye highest key level fortified we feel super comfortable soloing worksh...
I had 0 problems on 20
solar willow
NF or Kyrian for pugging 15s for KSM? Either have a leg up or just preference?
I always felt kyrian was better for m+, makes kiting ez, the rage is good, the 25%crit is nice and the bleed remove from phial is nice too
NF have great movement, but warrior already has that🤷♂️
uneven mason
Nf still have that persistent knockdown for interrupting?
sturdy sable
If I wanted to play Necro I would have listed them as an option. I find the Cov ...
Personally if necrolord isnt an option for some reason id go night fae the extra knock back on caster packs will save you more than spear will in pugs who dont kick anything
crystal iris
I always felt kyrian was better for m+, makes kiting ez, the rage is good, the 2...
I find the rage a bit too "good" like you spear and overcap immediatly then have nothing for 40s vs necro is just a contant trickly of rage
and kiting in theory but you are basically wasting a legendary if you spear and kite
should have enough slow to kite with thunderclap and party utility hopefully
Aftershock is so fkn good if you can keep them in it. Like the pack after first boss of sanguine depths you could lock all those casts down lol
coral marsh
when do you use fleshcraft for tanking?
is it worth it to channel it while aggro to heal?
jagged pier
i dont really ever use it
crystal iris
use it on CD
coral marsh
also in combat?
crystal iris
also in combat?
sure, you dont have to let it go through the whole thing
but it makes you immune to CC (can be useful for some things) and reduced damage taken by 20%
but if you dont need those things and want to keep doing DPS just cancel it quickly. This is the part you want
prime kernel
any suggestions ;d ? got 291 Alar already , rest of my gear is 278/288 from m+ (farmin valors atm on prot alt to upgrade these)
was wondering if any of the other 2 trins are worth for warr, if not then ill just pick a 304 tier slot i guess
crystal iris
stone legion isnt bad I think, but not sure its worth taking that at heroic ilvl over a 304 piece
id probably take chest or legs and make tier
vernal vale
Take the 304
tough inlet
the legs already have haste on them
dawn canyon
Alar is bait
vernal vale
Stone legion is outclassed by every sanctum trinket
Alar is a waste if not doing giga keys
lament shell
sup any gamer got matrix ? how good is it in keys
crystal iris
its great
lament shell
how much overall % in dmg ?
dawn canyon
Nome said the 304 one would be doing 1k dps and 1k hps a while ago
lament shell
new dungeon dont have any trinkets only got soleah
strong forum
lament shell
crystal iris
was a 15 gambit
strong forum
how much overall % in dmg ?
The better you play, the less % it'll do, but it'll still do 1k+ dps
crystal iris
cant heal damage I dont take
lament shell
+1 KEKW
undone verge
i dont really ever use it
You don’t at least tap it for the mastery?
Since the buff persists through shield, 2 minutes of 120 mastery for 1 gcd
jagged pier
i dont really ever let myself have an empty gcd
🤷
if theres running section sure
but usually i just chain
lusty tiger
I used it w sr on xymox and took 0 damage from the glyph
Can solo tank him for a bit like that
odd tree
is it worth it to channel it while aggro to heal?
i mostly just press it and then hit my next button, but if i'm taking a tank buster i'll sometimes let it channel for a couple seconds.
lusty tiger
Yeah I only use it if I mess up my rotation and have no rage
Sad story about a warrior who wanted to press execute
viral flume
I have the horrible habit of charging through dreadlord sleep puddles :(
And then I proceed to get mad at the healer for not insta dispelling me for my mistake
Am I toxic
mortal brook
Yes
strong forum
Sleep puddle is the single biggest reason why I hate s4
ocean yoke
healers heal damage, if anything does damage it is a healer mechanic
ez
blast is best
strong forum
The thing that pisses me off the most is that the sleep doesn't break on dmg
So it's not a sleep, it's a stun
So garbage
vernal vale
So it's not a sleep, it's a stun
It's so obnoxious when you do a big pull with the infiltrator and everyone is blowing cds particles everywhere and sleep pool is underneath you with no way to see it.
spark scroll
its a deep sleep for sure...
lusty tiger
At least let me zerker rage out of it
Gd has fire, inspiration glow, flamethrower, and quaking all at once was impossible to see those puddles
patent sigil
Anyone found a good IP Tracker for s4?
chrome falcon
Sleep puddle is the single biggest reason why I hate s4
True and based
chrome falcon
Anyone found a good IP Tracker for s4?
There’s plenty on wago but you don’t need one
Tracking IP is a waste of time
patent sigil
I guess this a noob question then then how do you know when to uses Rvenge over IP?
pine sand
Guys did they forget to upgrade the dmg of the necklace from karazhan lower?
chrome falcon
I guess this a noob question then then how do you know when to uses Rvenge over ...
I’m at work so quick response but
lusty tiger
Guys did they forget to upgrade the dmg of the necklace from karazhan lower?
“Forgot”
uneven mason
I guess this a noob question then then how do you know when to uses Rvenge over ...
When you want to sslap
lofty widget
They didn't forget most liekly, it just scales very poorly
lusty tiger
Not forgotten, but lost
brisk sparrow
is there any value in mechagon wrists? I am kinda hesitant to use my 288s over my 259 random stat ones with a socket from last season
stable valve
17 jy, but I got the 3 abilities ring so I'm ok with it
left temple
True and based
Should let us Berserker Rage it
viral flume
100%
Least favorite dungeon is 100% grimrail during sanguine weeks btw
Explosive will be aids too I can already tell
strong forum
Nobody could've seen the outcome
Atleast the people who voted for grimrail didn't
uneven mason
🙈
viral flume
Iron docks is a banger key tho
uneven mason
The folks who have motion sickness vomited out of nostalgia when it was announced
viral flume
Iron docks bis key, cuz triple boss cleave and double boss cleave fun
sour hill
Is it ok to ask Vault choice questions?
viral flume
How do you die on last boss
south zealot
Is it ok to ask Vault choice questions?
sure
iron docks trash after 2nd boss is brutal
if 2 wranglers decide to throw at once u just die
strong forum
How do you die on last boss
Rapid fire, bladestorm, shattering blade
viral flume
I skip 1 of those
sour hill
Trying to figure out which is the best upgrade. They're all great. Bringing back my warrior after a break
lusty tiger
if 2 wranglers decide to throw at once u just die
Need disarm back in pve
sour hill
Pants would allow me to recraft reprisal
lusty tiger
And have it actually work
queen hemlock
weapons are pretty hard to farm
queen hemlock
think ill always pick weapon just due to armor parts being much more varied and abundent
sour hill
I ain't complaining, lol. Just trying to make the best choice
strong forum
Pick the 285 for the most immediate upgrade
dawn canyon
Trying to figure out which is the best upgrade. They're all great. Bringing back...
thats a gigantic shield wait nvm
strong forum
But it'll be replaced as soon as you step into +15s
viral flume
Weapon will help the most in the coming gearing process imo
sour hill
Weapon will help the most in the coming gearing process imo
Not shield?
viral flume
It'll help your damage and threat vs all the geared ppl
queen hemlock
shield is pretty good too i think
sour hill
ah
minor helm
Not shield?
Do you do any mythic raiding?
sour hill
Do you do any mythic raiding?
no
minor helm
Ok nvm then
viral flume
I think the play is whatever will help him climb to 14-15s fastest, which I'd say is weapon
sick sentinel
is Fusion Hacker better than other weapons with secondary's?
south zealot
no
sour hill
I think the play is whatever will help him climb to 14-15s fastest, which I'd sa...
It's almost funny how immortal I feel in keys atm with banner/IP spam
queen hemlock
for single target dps only, might be good for raiding
sour hill
I'm sure that'll change once I get high enough
strong forum
Won't change for a while
queen hemlock
if going m+ the thing that drops from grim rail is better?
viral flume
Pwar feels very immortal with cds, moreso than dk I think
queen hemlock
is protecting bit band good enough for prot warrior? (absorb magic damage within 15 secs)
queen hemlock
even magic block?
sick sentinel
More haste, more banner time, more IP
strong forum
is protecting bit band good enough for prot warrior? (absorb magic damage within...
No
queen hemlock
id imagine prot warrior's lack of magic def would make this at least viable
ah shame
strong forum
It's 150hps
In what world does that seem good
3k absorb every 15sec big whoop
You get more healing through indom by pressing ignore pain once
queen hemlock
does it not proc again if i absorbed 3k again and proc the condition?
strong forum
Every 15sec
south zealot
haste is just invaluable
more haste more rage more ignore pain and shield block
also avatars and shield walls
queen hemlock
have a 291 sire ring but somehow it got lesser numbers than mecha gone rings
so off to farm
viral flume
I've got unity on a ring right now
queen hemlock
ah maybe ill get one since id want to get my enduring on waiste
oh em bis for weapon on pwar is workshop's one handed? or grim rails
vernal vale
Fusion hacker does more single target at same ilvl but falls off in aoe compared to stats
vernal vale
So unless you have a weapon with stats higher than 298 the mechagon torch will do more damage single target.
If you get a 304 weapon or as a mythic raider a 311 then those will outperform mechagon torch
queen hemlock
hopefully the guild will run mythic
also how do you guys get practice raiding as tanks now
severe swallow
How do you decide what legendary slot to craft
queen hemlock
seems like not many people have patience for proggin
prime kernel
is there any list of recommended trins that we should pick 1st fron the S4 vendor ? like Matrix + OWS or Shard + OWS ?
seen only pins with the affix info
strong forum
Ows > shield/matrix > aegis
urban portal
scars 
sturdy sable
also how do you guys get practice raiding as tanks now
You dont you do it on sight read lol
lusty tiger
seems like not many people have patience for proggin
Read the fights, watch the fights, do a pug normal run
the heroic should be ez with a real raidlead/guild. And mythic after that, nobody will be much more knowledgeable than you if you’re in a more casual guild
If the fights are ez you’ll 1shot with your heroic run knowledge and if they’re hard then you’ll have enough pulls to learn what you need to do
queen hemlock
pug normals huh yea guess ill try that
i do watch guides and all but surely without practice its still pretty fucked
violet violet
ive always played kyrian but gotta learn necro. how do you guys open packs? between demo, ravager, banner, im starting to have aggro issues on pull because of these "empty threat" gcds
uneven mason
Having communication between the tanks is pretty huge
drifting fable
ravager is not an empty threat cd
but if you are having threat issues you need to revenge more
ocean yoke
you can wait a global or two to use demo shout as well if youre trying to open with that
drifting fable
yeah and if youre running BV youll want that rage stim a bit later in the rotation typically
queen hemlock
i personally charge,revenge,stomp,macro for avatar banner bloodrage trinket,ravager, demo, SB then anytime after that slot in an intervene
drifting fable
hope you are SSing in all that lol
queen hemlock
after all that usually
lusty tiger
I charge, banner macro, sb, ss, rev or tc depending on proc/rage situation then dropCDs(ds, rav, intervene)
lament shell
Threat issues hunter issue
lament shell
queen hemlock
but man im dying in grimrails alot as a prot warrior
lament shell
At this one pull before boss?
oblique garnet
The last pack before 2nd boss you need to move alot as a tank and use stuns etc
drifting fable
typically just kite back
queen hemlock
you know the second cart pack?
the one with the brute
and the one infront of it with 2 gunners
i always try to bring the first pack into the first cart but they cast shrap and people just walk straight into it and die
and i panic and run back to grab aggro
drifting fable
gotta make sure to time those then. they target you, you can face them into the wall
queen hemlock
do they aa?
lament shell
But also need to dodge flames
drifting fable
yeah that pack sucks because it has both
queen hemlock
the things that cast shrap do they aa
lament shell
And sang this week kekw
queen hemlock
or only cast cshrap
queen hemlock
no cause i always fail to pull them into the first cart
drifting fable
oh
queen hemlock
i wonder what i should do
queen hemlock
so even my dps and healer
drifting fable
yup
queen hemlock
i do stand behind the door
you know beside the door there is a wall not sure if that works for los
queen hemlock
no i dont have aggro
i throw one to pull them over
i ravager on the door
so if they run in i grab aggro
drifting fable
so you are having problems with this?
queen hemlock
yea alot of issues
im not sure if im fucking up or people fucking up
i know i dont have the ranged aggro so i stand beside the door losing but
seems to butcher everyone else
drifting fable
well you should try and taunt / heroic throw the ranged on your way back
queen hemlock
and i cant fight in the room as no space and the brute pack is really close by
drifting fable
then its on your dps to wait for them to stack
they usually will get a shrapnel blast off before they stack up if youre talking about the very very 1st pack on that train
queen hemlock
should be the third pack, since its the second cart of the train
first pack of the second cart
drifting fable
right right yeah, were talking about the same
yeah sometimes they start shrapnel on the little bridge
facing inside the car
queen hemlock
yea and my team just gets wiped
drifting fable
sucks but there should be enough room for them to back up if they know its coming
queen hemlock
literally no 14-15 keys i do are on time due to this particular pull
oh and another thing
you know after the first boss the throwing mobs
usually there is 3 but zul became one of them
is it normal for me not to beable to tank both of them?
they have this skill called double strike or something
applys debuff and man they hit me for 50k a strike after sometime
drifting fable
they do smack so judgement call if you want to pull them separate
i like fighting zul alone just to make it easier for dps anyways
more focus on the shield
drifting fable
ah
queen hemlock
double strike
drifting fable
truthfully
drifting fable
i havent done a high fort GD this week so i wouldnt be able to comment on those dudes
drifting fable
tahts for sure haha
queen hemlock
first packs no one kicks and no one understand i cant see anything due to camera angles and i need to hug a wall
drifting fable
much worse if people dont kick and constantly stand in stuff for sure
queen hemlock
its a horrible dungeon
that has 2 bis or well 3 fury needs both the weapons
living nightmare
grenade and two weapons
oh and when you do go there do tell people that the second boss mech with the shrap cannon
the cannon shreds the boss like hell so pull it close to a cannon and hopefully the pubs know what do to
ive been manning the cannons and hoping that i can block in cannons LOL
timber nest
is ITF a better defensive option for m+?
dawn canyon
No
queen hemlock
what is an ift
drifting fable
into the fray
dawn canyon
Raid Talent
queen hemlock
oops sorry yea that is raid talent
vernal vale
is ITF a better defensive option for m+?
You want ravager, gives damage and rage
Hard to always have max stacks in dungeon as counterintuitive as that sounds.
hazy edge
Rav also leavs ITF in the dust once you go past 3 targets
vernal vale
The rage feeds revenge spam super hard too
Which with all the ignore pain spam to prevent overcapping means banner lasts longer.
severe swallow
What trinket are people refering to when they say "Shield"
drifting fable
aegis from nine prolly
sand egret
Can you 
Vicious Claws (the infiltrator nuke)
sand egret
Noice, bout to take my boy into 10s finally
lofty widget
No but it doesnt heal
chrome falcon
But it stops the heal
south zealot
but it doesnt heal so its as if youre doing damage
lofty widget
So same thing
south zealot
yeah
sand egret
yeah that's the part i care about
lofty widget
You should reflect the zugmug Guys Auto as well btw
chrome falcon
south zealot
didnt want anyone to be confused thinking “why didnt it do damage in setails”
sand egret
how does it work with IP btw, does it treat it like other absorbs
lofty widget
Yeah except it only absorbs 55% of dmg taken
peak lily
Does reflect dmg on gunker adds show on details?
lofty widget
Yes it does
peak lily
Is it as strong as bfa?
lofty widget
Its pretty strong
sand egret
Yeah except it only absorbs 55% of dmg taken
Nice, so outside of directly reflecting it, there should be some pretty good baseline mit against the effective heal
come to think of it, SR should be up for every?
sand egret
gotcha
lofty widget
So rotate other defensives in between
queen hemlock
does the nethezim skills show up in the spell reflect spread sheet?
oh btw for m+ between ashen and show of force generally which one provides the most value
lofty widget
That depends on the keys youre doing
If everything is melting before you can stack up AJ at All youre prob better off with show of force
But in higher keys AJ is Def better
lofty widget
Oh yeah
chrome falcon
executing a dreadlord or zugzug before they can get another heal off
is such huge value
lofty widget
Big true
chrome falcon
and the dungeon design rewards execute more
almost every dungeon has a boss that is multiple bosses
both mechagons, lower kara, both wod dungeons, streets
queen hemlock
i rarely get to bring AJ stacks to another mob tho but bosses yea i can see the more than 1 person being arse
crit that boss to hell
alright will bring AJ thanks
part of me considered to remove the banner conduit and bring both SoF and AJ
queen hemlock
yea 10% seems stupidly strong to remove
orchid garden
Hey guys. I logged in on my warrior to tank some keys again. I really dislike reprisal on keys like grimrail though. How much do I lose from taking other legendaries, like the wall for example?
queen hemlock
oh really i recall it as 10 dank
vernal vale
Hey guys. I logged in on my warrior to tank some keys again. I really dislike re...
With tier especially reprisal is just massively stronger.
Extra rage gain to feed into outburst procs
Free revenge
Active mitigation with it.
wet pine
I see Sense playing BDK in TGP, feels 😞
vernal vale
If your only doing like 15s you can probably get away with running wall but it's not nearly as good.
south zealot
why do people not like reprisal
orchid garden
why do people not like reprisal
Because of the minimum range 8 yards on charge.
With 0-3 range min Range it would be perfect
orchid garden
can intervene to ranged or leap out
And turn Frontals into the range camp? I have seen Warris do that and people died because of it
On open field, like in irondocks for example, it’s all fine
south zealot
only frontals id be worried about is grimrail
but you can stun those with shockwave or fear
other team can stun as well
maybe the frontal on the bullies in junkyard bc they can be hard to see
fallow narwhal
i mean, also using your mobility/utility as an actual major part of your own defensives is kinda
eh
orchid garden
but you can stun those with shockwave or fear
Still when you move you will most likely be out of LoS for healers.
That’s why I asked
south zealot
reprisal is by far the best, if youre not pushing high use whatever you want
orchid garden
But I’ll then stay on reprisal anyways.
south zealot
if youre doing 15s ish anything will work
orchid garden
Yeah sure, but I don’t want to grief myself.
Thanks for the replies 🙂
vernal vale
Because of the minimum range 8 yards on charge.
You can strafe out and charge quite easily in most situations.
spice lotus
Reprisal should make charge min range 0 boom ez
Charging around like a madman is feels bad
Demon hunter momentum vibes
cinder storm
Just a few more months until we never see that godforsaken leggo ever again
All my homies hate reprisal, my wrist does too
mighty valley
grimrail is the only one where planning charges is a little annoying
but even if you only get mediocre value out of reprisal, it's still the best by far
it's all up from there
orchid garden
but even if you only get mediocre value out of reprisal, it's still the best by ...
Thank you! Will use it 🙂
cold zealot
So i got the trigger from behind ring, does it even trigger consistently on us?
hazy edge
ish? "Behind" a mob also includes the sides. So as long as you aren't attacking in the 90 degree cone directly infront of them you'll be able to trigger it
aka wiggle around mobs a bit and you can trigger it
cold zealot
I heard its 270° behind the enemy, im just not too sure if i can proc it on cd
hazy edge
only place it'd be harder is on bosses
toxic pewter
just got heroic aegis with leech
urban portal
sheesh
hazy edge
toxic pewter
other tank is pissed
lofty widget
Nice one
toxic pewter
he and his healer buddy whisper me
urban portal
now you can replace codex
hazy edge
kickass trinket right there
urban portal
still cant believe i got a codex on my dh
toxic pewter
im like awkward... i already equipped it
urban portal
cringe
toxic pewter
now you can replace codex
lmao
sonic crag
So, you should sacrifice your loot so the rich get richer? Screw that.
urban portal
ill do it if they pay me 200k
toxic pewter
Yeah I mean it dropped for me fair and square
drifting fable
no way it wasnt an ilvl up for you anyways
drifting fable
really? damn
toxic pewter
i have 304 soleah from vault LOL
drifting fable
oh fair
sonic crag
I'm opposed to helping BDKs in any form. Blizz is helping them enough
toxic pewter
yeah i dont like bdk ill just be honest
they have this smug attitude lately
cuz they on top for a while
sonic crag
Something like 72%of all keys 25 and higher are tanked by a BDK
Just gonna get worse this week with Sanguine
toxic pewter
ya
its crazy blizz didnt nerf them a bit
but i figure they will be nerfed in df based on waht ive seen
odd heath
Hi guys the broker in zereth mortis selling 226 ilvl equipment against anima doesn't sell any shield ?
sonic crag
I'm okay with being last place. Just not super last place like current
lofty widget
Hi guys the broker in zereth mortis selling 226 ilvl equipment against anima doe...
Should be the off hand piece
Might have to buy a few
lofty widget
I'm okay with being last place. Just not super last place like current
Huh? Pwar is strong af atm
sonic crag
Representation and perception. Not strength.
Obvi we are all good tier. Just got to convince everyone else
mighty valley
it's cool to be underestimated
urban portal
we are so bad that nerf and naowh are rerolling
urban portal
it's cool to be underestimated
and this
i love getting random buffs out of nowhere
aka 9.2 destro
freest 5% of their life
leaden field
we are so bad that nerf and naowh are rerolling
nerf already rolled back though, didnt he? :p
south zealot
prot is good rn but dk is just so op
uneven mason
its crazy blizz didnt nerf them a bit
Only the most emo of souls plays bdk, every time they nerf them the river of tears opens another sinkhole in Florida
south zealot
we see dk nerfs next patch 
uneven mason
Good thing I bought a boat
uneven mason
Some things never change.
summer pelican
prot warr wil be bis tank in dragonflight
uneven mason
Bdk being bestboy was pretty consistent since the start of m+
Only a few gaps in that run
urban portal
i mean
bdk is entirely driven by borrowed power right now
bdk was horrible in 9.0
in 9.1 grips were mandatory for some bosses
uneven mason
bdk is entirely driven by borrowed power right now
You mean unlike every expansion since legion?
uneven mason
Yeah tbh 9.0 is the only time I can remember bdk wasn't the hotness for m+
south zealot
8.3?
uneven mason
and BFA was prot warrior kingdom
If you ignore the start of the expansion
Throw rock
But our booty clap DPS was quite fun, and we were sleeper stronk for raids
urban portal
or you know
9.1
9.1 bdk was the same state as 9.0 prot war
bad but was taken for raid cuz you need them
sick sentinel
bdk wasn't made for m+,
m+ was made for bdk
urban portal
idk man
uneven mason
bdk wasn't made for m+,
m+ was made for bdk
Wise words
sick sentinel
they got bored soloing current raid tier bosses
zealous willow
bdk just doing insane dmg thats all
sick sentinel
deathgrip/strike intensifies
zealous willow
blood dk always was immortal
but now they do dps like a real dps
compare logs
with other tanks
5k dps overall
from all other tanks
sick sentinel
this guy is a complete shitter right now, but i decided i needed more than a lvl 55 rogue on alliance, the dk has something like basically fresh boosted ilvl
uneven mason
blood dk always was immortal
Except for 9.0 sludgefist prog
zealous willow
dk is rly good state now , u can target ur jailer wep with dinars ez gearing and all. Some ppl just preffer to not wait healer in critical situations and they love dk well played immortality
actualy tbh , i love dk cus of that
doing damn death strikes at 5% hp giving u insane big shield too + istant 100% healing
zealous willow
they have weakness too
toxic pewter
I just really dont thin bdk should have so much physical dmg mit that is my main issue with them atm and they do a lot of dps
urban portal
their DPS comes from gavel mainly i think
their sim dps is very reasonable with jaithys
its pretty close to most other tanks
toxic pewter
ya true gavel is op
hazy edge
gavel is about 700 dps more than a r5 jaithys for bdk
zealous willow
dk is insane dps y i mean when u compare logs u can see clearly dh , paladin , warrior and monks doing perfectly balanced dmg done/overall dps +- 5% max and druid being bottom , but dk bro he is soo infront
timber nest
weapon ilevel is ilevel right? or the lack of stats probably fucks me?
toxic pewter
lucky morning for me got a shield and aegis
hazy edge
so reasonable sims (aka not nf dreamweaver memes) are around 18k in bis gear
sick sentinel
been playing NF brew for a bit, but im told that kyrian is better for them
toxic pewter
most of you guys going rdm over aegis right
zealous willow
i remember 11k overall dps for warr in m30 compared to 15k dk well 4k is not small ....
urban portal
so reasonable sims (aka not nf dreamweaver memes) are around 18k in bis gear
how does that compared to prot warrior
hazy edge
pwar is about 15.8k
urban portal
dang so theres still a 15% ish gap
lofty widget
most of you guys going rdm over aegis right
Yup
hazy edge
profile for pwar
zealous willow
warrior cant focus on much dmg in big keys , meanwhile dk doing same rotation pulls insane dps 😄
hazy edge
should be up soonish
zealous willow
someone mentioned we are bis tanks for dragonflight from where this came ?
sick sentinel
you can get better than 278 conduits now or nah?
zealous willow
u cant
sick sentinel
im probably with 265 ones mostly
sick sentinel
stopped farming them TBH
mortal brook
Your cursor is having a stroke
urban portal
why are you farming deaths advance
sick sentinel
i don't have it on another toon and i got that much ish close and just gave up on finishing it
toxic pewter
lol
timber nest
anyone know how good this weapon is?
mortal brook
Good as it Sims. Loss of secondary isn't big especially when it's an ilvl upgrade
mighty valley
yeah just sim it, think it's generally under par for ilvl? but might be worth at this gap
sick sentinel
u get +40 some weapon damage, that gives you bigger numbers on SS and other abilities
timber nest
yoooo, i have 40% haste right now in this key
vernal vale
weapon ilevel is ilevel right? or the lack of stats probably fucks me?
All things equal fusion hacker will do better in single target. Stat weapon will do better in aoe. Though a 304 weapon will beat a 298 fusion hacker.
timber nest
ya i figured. its an ilevel upgrade, so i use it for now
ocean yoke
it simmed about 25 dps higher than a wep from tazavesh for me
drifting juniper
guys is rallying cry conduit for me only or is it group wide increase
sweet summit
everyone
drifting juniper
might use it instead of safeguard
vernal vale
I use it over safeguard.
For one giga fleshcraft before key starts and it can be huge as a party wide health buff.
drifting juniper
that giga fleshcraft runs out in half a second but yeah since it affects myself i think it counts as endurance
vernal vale
that giga fleshcraft runs out in half a second but yeah since it affects myself ...
It does but it's still fun to have
oblique garnet
You can play with both if you go emeni
onyx vessel
Dmg not uptime
zealous willow
Late is ur dog Samoed?
onyx vessel
Uptime was 40%
onyx vessel
zealous willow
wtf its mini Samoed ?
oblique garnet
yeah
zealous willow
i have Samoed its same
oblique garnet
also have a bigger doggo
zealous willow
but she is big af 😄
oblique garnet
lavish oracle
mechagon shield at all worth considering after the buff or still nah?
9k shield doesn't seem that bad
depending on proc rate
lavish oracle
it was god awfully low absorb before
urban portal
its bad
zealous willow
i preffer a shield with haste over it
urban portal
1 ppm
lavish oracle
Oh, god damn, yeah that sucks
lavish oracle
Well it's 9k at 282 or whatever I have it at
tattman probably has a higher ilvl version
zealous willow
if u dont have shield with stats at that level use it
but dont mind changing it when u get a diff shield
lavish oracle
nah, I've got a 291, just looking at stuff to spend valor on
cursive bridge
does maybe 6-7% of my overall healing in any given key so if you need to be slightly more tanky its only OK imo
i just havent gotten a haste shield yet, might level up my crit vers one from grimrail
zealous willow
the dps part is very trash
waxen orbit
i just havent gotten a haste shield yet, might level up my crit vers one from gr...
Bro that’s really good
Only thing better is 304 crit haste shied
Or the mythic Sylv shield
hollow gull
could have some use this trinket or it is shit?
chrome falcon
it's not as good as the 9.1 raid trinkets
royal lodge
I'm guessing that everyone already knows about getting the 100k fleshcraft bubble, right before amy keys start. Correct?
Last stand, rallying cry, and flesh craft reset after key starts.
vernal vale
Yeah
mild palm
heres me playing kyrian 🤪
vernal vale
If you have a sigil you can make it bigger too
Use sigil as well then swap trinket to something better after the giant fleshcraft
mild palm
is this thing worth anything?
lime urchin
Some gold I suppose
urban portal
the strength
mild palm
I guess I should ask what's the average?
lusty tiger
I’ve been hardstuck at ~70% uptime and 60cpm but even that has pretty good results
lusty tiger
I guess I should ask what's the average?
We don’t go for average around here
mild palm
🥺
I just switched from my Priest to my Warrior that I was alting.
Enjoy the class, now I just need to not be trolling as a blue angel.
iron ravine
Hey guys, quick question. Hc defense matrix just dropped for me, is this trinket any good or should i aim for other trinks
jagged pier
its bis
mild palm
I will miss spear though. 
iron ravine
No way rly
lusty tiger
Dual OWS pls
iron ravine
Whats ows?
chrome falcon
How long are we supposed to be keeping this banner up for at a time? <:peepostud...
i'm 100% uptime during combat in keys atm
urban portal
at least try to keep it up in combat
if you drop it between packs oh well
sometimes it happens
and sometimes you may not have it up for next pack which also can happen
timber nest
whats our BIS shield if ilevel didnt matter?
uneven mason
whats our BIS shield if ilevel didnt matter?
This makes no sense
jagged pier
LoD shield
timber nest
?? if ilevel wasnt a factor. whats the best shield to try to get
chrome falcon
are you just asking
timber nest
how does that not make sense
chrome falcon
"which shield has the best stats on it"
ocean yoke
thats what im guessing he means
timber nest
is it GD shield?
minor helm
timber nest
whats LoD? i dont know acroynms
minor helm
Lords of dread
jagged pier
eh?
timber nest
pre LOD
minor helm
Can always get it in lfr normal or heroic and upgrade it
ocean yoke
tbh just grab one with haste at highest ilvl you can, dont need to think too much
grizzled forge
so my trinkets at the moment are 288 codex 288 modular platinum plating and i just got a 288 stun grenade which 2 should i use?
timber nest
stun grenade and codex
grizzled forge
k
oblique garnet
also @chrome falcon regarding jy overall 19-21k average
minor helm
jagged pier
so my trinkets at the moment are 288 codex 288 modular platinum plating and i ju...
not codex
the other 2 gives strength
hazy edge
Grenade is vers
jagged pier
doesnt matter ts better than codex
grizzled forge
stun grenade is vers ya
the other is str
gotcha
2 on uses 😦
oh well all i got atm
oblique garnet
2400 score is pretty good for no comms pugs 
chrome falcon
grizzled forge
yai was using it just cause i had it didnt have grenade yet
oblique garnet
need better karas and i would be 2500 ish
needed to do 20 tyrannicals last week but didnt bother because was farming gear
urban portal
so my trinkets at the moment are 288 codex 288 modular platinum plating and i ju...
stun grenade and plating tbh
a plating that you dont ever use is better than codex
until like 24+
grizzled forge
ya
jagged pier
2400 score is pretty good for no comms pugs <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
will be around then when i get to do m+ this week i believe
oblique garnet
will be around then when i get to do m+ this week i believe
What
oblique garnet
You will be around that score when you get to do m+ this week ?
M8 i needed a translation for that one 
coral marsh
is the special wrist from mechagon any good?
jagged pier
is the special wrist from mechagon any good?
they are high haste with catalyst
coral marsh
wait can you also convert an int sword into strength sword with cata?
chrome falcon
you cannot convert weapons, trinkets or jewellry
also there are no "int swords" or "str swords"
oh i lied
minor helm
also there are no "int swords" or "str swords"
There’s an int 1 hander sword from ZM
minor helm
coral marsh
any updated ignore pain wa for new patch?
chrome falcon
probably
modern brook
How does your old one not work?
chrome falcon
don't bother using it though
and also yeah
your old one should be fine
but you shouldn't use one
coral marsh
just one that shows that you wont overcap
toxic pewter
who even has time to pay attention to ip
modern brook
Too much thought going into your ip there tbh
hazy edge
You don’t care about overlapping IP
toxic pewter
we got more important shit to think about than ip
chrome falcon
You should overcap IP
constantly
overcapping rage is much worse than overcapping IP
hazy edge
^
You press IP if your next rage generator would cap/overcap you
Which is very often
urban portal
what if your ip is still on cd
thats when it gets tough
the 1 second cd chokes me out more than id like
chrome falcon
Then you should have been pressing it earlier
urban portal
ye
lofty widget
chrome falcon
But yeah some overcapping is basically unavoidable
urban portal
but shield slam didnt proc
chrome falcon
During LS and rav
urban portal
so thats a tragedy
lofty widget
LS SUCKS
urban portal
so i didnt ss before
toxic pewter
grats
chrome falcon
yooo lets go
big trinkie
i'm glad i beat the guy who is 5 levels up by 1 dps
but sense just absolutely fucking blasted
i dunno how i'm touching that
jagged pier
all depends on how u play the affix
my guilds always wrong
so my parses are aweful
👍
lofty widget
which boss is that?
jagged pier
told u
chrome falcon
idk if that translates to 2.5k dps
but i guess if i died that checks out
i can't believe i got beat by 2 people using the wall
i had 25 cpm on revenge on that pull
and 20 on SS
pallid quiver
Is that log publically available? I want to see just how Sense blasted that hard
jagged pier
idk if that translates to 2.5k dps
depends if they got stacked all the time its double the haste and double the CDR
chrome falcon
yeah we didn't really do that very well
and yeah luerce
mythic guardian
it's weird because my cpm was better on SS and revenge but lower on tclap
but i also realised afterwards that my IV macro was wrong
mighty valley
ugh missing raid this week, i gotta pug some shit
chrome falcon
yes
lusty tiger
But my OWS
jagged pier
just have it
sand drum
so I have some questions about terragrue
can you survive mythic last phase ? with just pure blocks ? just argued with a prot pala that you cant survive it with pure blocks ? what do ppl here say
royal lodge
I have never been able to survive it, even with casting shield wall. We just taunt back and forth and hope to get kill.
median tulip
Even normal is bad?
Even LFR is awful
sick sentinel
pugging sylv is so miserable
got in 5 different groups for her, all unsuccessful
People dying in phase 1
chrome falcon
so I have some questions about terragrue
can you survive mythic last phase ? wit...
i managed to live it this week with 100% SB uptime, some very good RNG, and constantly externals
but no you can't really
median tulip
so I have some questions about terragrue
can you survive mythic last phase ? wit...
Get an Arms warrior to taunts it and DBTS for 8 seconds of stationary DPS
royal lodge
I've heard that DHs can kite it out but I've never seen it. If you and your co-tank taunt back and forth correctly. It is definitely survivable.
chrome falcon
oh yeah you never have to die on tarragrue
but it's very hard to survive actually facetanking it
urban portal
so I have some questions about terragrue
can you survive mythic last phase ? wit...
probably bdk?
with all their parries?
chrome falcon
yeah it's probably numerically possible
hazy edge
I held M Tarragrue for quite awhile on Tuesday. I also had weird ass powers my IPs were capped at like 110k outside of LS
chrome falcon
45% max hp makes IP pretty funny
urban bane
ravager procs behind ring, is that true?
summer pelican
How do u get plater to show which mobs i can spell reflect
chrome falcon
ravager procs behind ring, is that true?
if you put it behind the mob yeah for some reason
toxic pewter
Am I missing something when it comes to aegis? I think my scale blocked more damage?
steel ruin
Pog or stinker?
Alright so i can at least use it for a bit then
just did lower and
yeah that dungeon sucks
oblique garnet
just dealer v2 with adds
onyx reef
lofty widget
unity 
urban bane
if you put it behind the mob yeah for some reason
ty sir
royal lodge
Just FYI, for those of us that do not traditionally mythic raid, Terragrue (first boss of SoD) drops a haste/vers shield and is quite easy to PUG even on mythic difficulty.
royal lodge
I farmed that fucker all patch and never got it.
trim bay
is modular platimum plating any good
oblique garnet
is modular platimum plating any good
No
chrome falcon
utter trash
trim bay
sweet. so sack and guidance device?
oblique garnet
Sack good guidance device eh
chrome falcon
go do SOD on every difficulty you can
uneven wagon
guys how do I sim 2 different trinkets quickly I've never tried to before
also does simming take into account stuff like this
hazy edge
It does
And you just throw your simc export into top gear, select both trinkets, and click sim
uneven wagon
is simc an addon
hazy edge
Yup
uneven wagon
I don't even need to sim it actually its pretty clear
hazy edge
You’d be surprised tbh
urban portal
yep
uneven wagon
its either 34 strength or that effect that i linked because the active on the other trinket does nothing
urban portal
we dont know what the other trinket is