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chrome falcon
finite arch
guess ring?
finite arch
my current are 272 😄
finite arch
oke
strong forum
guess ring?
gloves
finite arch
thx fellas
mighty valley
got haste bit band last night... guess I live in junkyard now
time to ignore all the advice i've ever given around not targeting single m+ drops
mighty valley
yeah if i've gotta farm a key, junkyard is a fine one
pallid quiver
as someone who stopped playing bfa before mechagon came out, junkyard scares me because i'm always afraid i'm gonna miss a bot
I know you make your way towards that hill in the direction of gunker where there's 3 zappy bots nearby, then there's a few more around gunker's actual area, then after that is just ???
neat trout
where are we putting unity this season?
south zealot
i actually do really like junkyard
strong forum
where are we putting unity this season?
Neck/cloak/wrist
molten rivet
what is junkyard rotation this week, any1 knows?
lofty widget
troll, then gunker
molten rivet
ok ty
strong forum
So you can play the same as last week?
strong forum
Which is the optimal route
drifting fable
I know you make your way towards that hill in the direction of gunker where ther...
theres a bunch around the junkyard area + some in the like between spot between twins and trogg boss. usually grab those if someone dies after gunker or if the helicopter is over gunker first
open gazelle
Is ksm only 2k???
What is that? Like only a +15 timed for tyran and fort for each dungeon? That’s easy af
urban portal
thats what its always been
lofty widget
there were 2 more dungeons last seaon
open gazelle
So yeah had to do 15s for two more dungeons
chrome falcon
Nah it was 3k last season and you had to do more than 15s
yes but you never had to do more than 15s
before blizz introduced io, KSM was always just 15s
south zealot
ksm is basically a joke to anyone who even attempts to get better at the game
dusky mica
do weapon/trinket PPM rates scale with player haste?
mortal brook
many things are rppm that scale with haste yes
sick sentinel
do any of s3 m0's count for the 4 dungeons for weekly progress to do mythics
mortal brook
its individual to the item tho
dusky mica
Does the fusion hacker (weapon) scale I guess is the real question
I was quite partial to my servant splitter in BFA, not sure if this mechagon weapon is as good
dusky mica
do any of s3 m0's count for the 4 dungeons for weekly progress to do mythics
yeah don't see why not
waxen orbit
@shut summit Ayo chief give me your junkyard route
Some of these packs actually slap a little bit on high fort when you pull 3-4 of them at a time
urban portal
do weapon/trinket PPM rates scale with player haste?
yes they do
thats why its havoc is the known abuser of borrowed power
drifting fable
hmm yea im a dumbass
sick sentinel
they don't drop valor, but they do count at final boss kill
just tested on HOA for anyone interested
mighty valley
fun fact: 2k rating reflected getting roughly timed 15s across 8 dungeons and they didn't actually change that for s3 when tazavesh got added
so s3 was the easiest ksm there ever was
and that's not even including the wacky power spike we all got
er yeah, not the achievement technically, you're right. but the score needed to max valor upgrades
was only 2k
or 2.25 whatever
they forgor
yeah i got them mixed up because in every other season you needed ksm to max upgrades
urban portal
yeah but you would assume ksm=upgrades
mighty valley
they literally just forgot
zealous willow
bro first time using warrior soul and i see why its so op now
u can be with 5 stacks whole dungeon wtf
235 haste / 151 str 😄
zealous willow
i will upgrade my RDM to hc soon
lofty widget
how hard is lfr ?
zealous willow
lfr / normal is a joke
today one shoted sylvanas hc too
we skipped p3 almost
no pudgle collection
nothing
big nerfs
lofty widget
i spent 1 hour with guild on sylv hc today, no kill....
zealous willow
u pug it with 290+ guys
making ur own raids is ez now btw and safe
so many 290 que
gl i had to do 3 times sylvanas and 3 times guardian to get a loot and i got the RDM
and first time in my life weekly qquest gave me good stuff warrior soul 298 😄
zealous willow
yeah 3 sylva kills 0 loot
sick sentinel
im working on the weekly on 0's
tough cloud
Is the chains of domination trinket any good ?
spring umbra
got heart of the swarm trinket
tough cloud
heroic
chrome falcon
the only time you'll ever see double prot warrior
is sylvanas LFR
literally 10/25 warriors
hazy edge
the only time you'll ever see double prot warrior
Hey my guild is double prot war right now.
chrome falcon
obsidian barn
Doom conduits are so annoying holy
What do you peeps think about Doom Conduits in torghast?
mighty valley
I don't remember what those are
tender matrix
I quit playing prot in bfa cause I just didn't like the feel compared to its legion feel I heard it was alot like it was in legion in terms of play style just wanted to know if this is actually true
obsidian barn
I don't remember what those are
It's the
mighty valley
oh, those are annoying in every game they're ever in
obsidian barn
Yeah. Incredibly annoying, needed to vent, lol.
dawn canyon
delicate iron
Any efficient way to deal with mobs casting Throw after 2nd boss in Iron docks? I just got hit for +60k twice within 2 seconds and died like 3 times on those packs
mortal brook
it pierces mitigation, is not blockable, and not dodge/parryable
chrome falcon
skip them
delicate iron
Haven't got the map i front of me, is there other place to get %?
mortal brook
its lower kara counterpart Throw Coin was straight removed from game
sick sentinel
i can turn the belt into an invis potion, so its not a total loss
delicate iron
Cool, I'll look into it. Thanks
sick sentinel
oh, those are annoying in every game they're ever in
mario fire stick
delicate iron
Even skipping 1 of those 2 packs with double throwers would help
sick sentinel
thats what i call those every time
chrome falcon
doing a normal pug and the other tank is a prot warrior playing kyrian
should i say something
hazy edge
mild palm
Is it every worth to cast whirlwind over revenge in m+?
vernal vale
but i did 12k on KT and he did 5.5
I did some lfr shit to try and get some trinkets and was just slapping on everyone it was incredibly gross.
sick sentinel
never unbind WW? okay
warm plinth
:kekw
chrome falcon
i linked them the discord
warm plinth
Erga giving bad advice smh
warm plinth
vernal vale
I still need to do normal and will have to pug heroic sylv since I got called back into work tonight so I'll miss raid.
Unless I can get in on a friend's sylv run this weekend.
mighty valley
dunno what the stats are now but late into last season a majority of pwars were still playing kyrian
keep getting the word out
vernal vale
Sadly the truth every time I had to dps in a key for my 20s and it was a warrior tank they where kyrian and not necro.
sick sentinel
can we make this a pin already unbind WW
mild palm
Worth the stat loss at all?
sweet summit
🙅
mild palm
😔
vernal vale
Worth the stat loss at all?
Not enough damage and a menial amount of defensive stats on a CD
mild palm
They added a lot of interesting items with the new dungeons but they all seem to suck.
vernal vale
They all lack a meaningful number to make it matter.
Neat ideas but hindered by poor scaling
chrome falcon
idk
if those items were actually best for their ilvl
we'd never leave workshop
mandatory 2 set ring
mandatory weapon, shield, and bracers
no thanks lmao
vernal vale
That is true.
I have half my ring set and get to go hard on the other this week.
Have my blowtorch and the bracers to catalyst when I can throw Valor at them to make them higher ilvl.
So if it was all good I'd be mostly done lol
mighty valley
in case you didn't know you can catalyze whenever and still upgrade them later
vernal vale
Yeah, just have tier as priority for Valor right now.
Might get higher ilvl bracers to drop more worth throwing in catalyst.
sick sentinel
do you have to have it up for 6 full seconds and let it naturally expire
or can it be clicked off
mighty valley
dunno, being able to click it off still wouldn't make it good, seems like a very niche thing to want to do
urban portal
the sire trinket?
honestly the problem is that itll probably overheal you half the time
and 0 offensive power
ivory flare
Sup boys, i'm new to tanking in wow and Necro warrior is pretty fun to play but i have a medical condition where i cant keep the apm up 😄 is there any other tank you could recommend that requires relatively low apm?
hazy edge
Brew and bear are probably the lowest apm tanks
Very different play styles than prot war though
waxen frigate
Brew and bear are probably the lowest apm tanks
🤨
Blood is almost definitely lower than brew, although I guess with enough haste maybe not
hazy edge
Blood is the second highest apm tank right now
waxen frigate
I guess the haste would do that, yeah
hazy edge
Tier set brings it up to 75-85 cpm
waxen frigate
yeah tiers and haste scaling just kinda
zooms a lot of the tanks up
traditionally brew is rather high
hazy edge
It is, just this tier the other ones got brought above it quite a bit.
cobalt seal
Isn't Brew the lowest rn? or that's bear?
waxen frigate
Sup boys, i'm new to tanking in wow and Necro warrior is pretty fun to play but ...
tanking in general is going to be rather high APM currently
oblique garnet
Depends on the key level
waxen frigate
Not compared to warrior sure
cobalt seal
50-60 APM isn't high
waxen frigate
most tanks are above 60 right now
cobalt seal
it's like average melee
waxen frigate
well yeah raid tanking is zzz
hazy edge
Raid it’s about 85
cobalt seal
most tanks are above 60 right now
I would go ??? on that
waxen frigate
in keys?
cobalt seal
yes
ivory flare
Oh yeah im only doing m+, i'll try to get ksm, so no super high keys. Brewmaster looks fun, i'm gonna try that
hazy edge
Brew is fun
waxen frigate
I mean, I'm at 60cpm generally as brew currently without including goto
and as we've established they're on the low end atm
overall in a key
i dont have any logs for my pally or dk atm
waxen frigate
im close to 70cpm on my BDK in a gambit log i happen to have, and im fuckin awful at BDK
outside of bosses
on bosses its like 50-60
cobalt seal
you can't really compare BDK cpm to Pwar
it's a dif cpm
it has decisions but not has many as necro pwar
waxen frigate
you can't really compare BDK cpm to Pwar
i'm not
waxen frigate
Not compared to warrior sure
see:
cobalt seal
random brw log of top 2 player (and I know that doesn't mean shit)
if we remove the gift CPM
that's about 52
waxen frigate
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nf2YNwLmdbxthPW7#fight=last&type=casts&source=5 Here's one of mine, with about 58 cpm goto-removed
same dungeon
also like
overall key cpm is kinda
weirdge
because of the diverse scenarios
active CPM is 73 unfiltered for me in that log, so 60
cobalt seal
that's slightly above average melee CPM
waxen frigate
damn
the melee in the keys i do
do not cast then
back to a raid setting, this is a high guardian log
brew with goto removed is 70
and obv ignore veng lol
soul fragment moment
mortal brook
i would imagine bear around 70 as well
mortal brook
The Shear Boredom
waxen frigate
im just very confused as to where this "melee avg cpm is 60+"
is coming from
in a key, that is
cobalt seal
what part of slightly above you didn't understand?
And nothing in that proves that those melee were doing a good job
waxen frigate
I mean
Every log i'm looking at shows tanks significantly above melee dps
other than outlaw
just going through random logs at this point
cobalt seal
Unholy is low CPM
waxen frigate
Unholy is low CPM
do you have anything to support your argument?
cobalt seal
Most unholy logs?
waxen frigate
i mean your general argument
cobalt seal
Lets go by spec that are around 60 CPM - Havoc; Outlaw/Sub;Enh;Surv;arms/fury;Ret
Unholy is a bit below same for frost
Feral is omegalul
same with WW
That's all on ST
on Guardian
sweet summit
fury is 70+
oblique garnet
sweet summit
but also what are we accomplishing here
waxen frigate
i dont know lmao
cobalt seal
just saying
oblique garnet
I have no idea
cobalt seal
Melee CPM
waxen frigate
all i said was all tanks are relatively high apm
cobalt seal
is around 60
waxen frigate
Prot is way higher
cobalt seal
all i said was all tanks are relatively high apm
tanks also have off GCD stuff
cobalt seal
You can prob go to prot pala
waxen frigate
like what
oblique garnet
static aspen
He lost his own battle
chrome falcon
good
LORD
i can't tell what's dumber
this whole conversation
or the grimrail i just did
what a disgusting instance on sanguine
chrome falcon
it is when your dps ninja pull almost every pack on the train
and it absolutely is that bad cmon lmao
cobalt seal
no
chrome falcon
nah it's pretty bad
double cinderseer pack
placing sanguine
dodging carrion/cloud
moving out of flametongue
saying it's not that bad is just being contradictory lmao
cobalt seal
it's not what most people in others discords are saying
they thought it would have been way worst
but it ended okay
chrome falcon
Cro Go 5 Minutes Without Arguing About Dumb Shit Challenge: Difficulty level IMPOSSIBLE???
every mob in the instance has at least 1 uninterruptible cast and you have to move out of flametongue and sanguine while avoiding clouds and carrion in a tiny ass train car, it's pretty rough
oblique garnet
Grimrail is bit worse than TD on sanguine
chrome falcon
ID is literally on a giant open plain
oblique garnet
But nothing too abd really
chrome falcon
grimrail is in a tiny ass train car
oblique garnet
Technically you could pull the entire cart with hulk in one pull and bl it
Plenty of room to kite since the cringe ability was removed
cobalt seal
you have like 1-2 pulls where sanguine is cringe as fuck
chrome falcon
yeah that might be interesting
well there's only like 4 pulls in the whole dungeon so
if half of them are cringe as fuck that sounds like a cringe dungeon to me
chrome falcon
everything before the last boss is basically one pull
so is everything before the first boss
oblique garnet
You can chain entire first boss thrash as long as you kick technicians
chrome falcon
^
oblique garnet
Also cant you use the bombs to kill the trash too
chrome falcon
uh which bombs
oblique garnet
The mines that the technicians try to activate
chrome falcon
uh nah
i don't think that hurts trash
and even if it does it's not worth it does way too much damage to the group
mighty valley
i haven't actually seen one activated yet, everyone is terrified of them,
chrome falcon
had one go off in 18 tyr
brought whole group to like 30% but i had giga rally on them
idk if they scale with fort
mighty valley
probably do?
chrome falcon
i would imagine so
cobalt seal
You can chain entire first boss thrash as long as you kick technicians
did we consider SD ring 1 pull or last boss gaunt 1 pull?
oblique garnet
Ofc not
But the trash before first boss in grimrail is technically one pull
Atleast how i play it
cobalt seal
it's not inspiring I guess you can play it in 1 pull
oblique garnet
Ye
But the entire dungeon is like 7-8 pulls depending on how big cajones you have
oblique garnet
Wranglers?
cobalt seal
dont know the name
oblique garnet
If you are not in melee they will throw to closest targets so no
cobalt seal
I'm more worried about storming than sanguine
storming is gonna be a shit show there for melee
Storming tyra medivh
fire intermission
warm plinth
Generally you can move mobs that shoot by stutter stepping nearby them. Not sure if the wranglers work that way though since they are not a tank-only shoot.
cobalt seal
Generally you can move mobs that shoot by stutter stepping nearby them. Not sur...
I know some do that
like scribes in SD
warm plinth
Also I literally tweeted at the devs the first day of the season to tell them to get ahead of things and make it so storming doesn't happen during flame wreath 😂
cobalt seal
you could slowly move them
oblique garnet
Also I literally tweeted at the devs the first day of the season to tell them to...
Easy solution remove it 
cobalt seal
Also I literally tweeted at the devs the first day of the season to tell them to...
people still die to quaking in gambit teleports
so dont get your hopes
warm plinth
Well tbf that's actually avoidable. Dodging tornadoes while you're in flame wreath isn't :kekw
I'm giving up on changing my kekws to joys in here
violet violet
about to do upper kara. we can still reflect the kings frost strike in chess right?
didnt get hotfixed and im about to kill myself?
south zealot
didnt even know u could do that
oblique garnet
You dont have to tank king if there isnt anyone in melee range
chrome falcon
does anyone know what we're actually reflecting when we reflect blood siphon
it's way better to just reflect the dot right
violet violet
yeah 100% reflect the autos
i reflected the kings hit but it was after his burn phase, so he was either immune to damage or its a deflect now
mighty valley
one day i'm gonna find the spell reflect guy and interrogate him
real fossil
on GOFO do u guys roll for prot or dps
sand pebble
why interrogate him? just go read everything you need to know in the sheet
real fossil
for reactive defense matrix vs salvaged fusion amplifier
onyx vessel
Fusion amplifer slaps in st
Reactive matrix you dont need
The nine trinket + old warrior soul
sweet summit
rdm is amazing for m+ and raid fights where you get hit by a lot of adds
real fossil
more of a casual carry my friends through keys kinda person, so rdm it is
sweet summit
both are S tier trinkets in their own situations
waxen frigate
🤔
onyx vessel
Tyran weeks in some m+ have such low mob counts
waxen frigate
Aegis on raid bosses?
real fossil
doing every mechanic in a low m+ can be exciting
onyx vessel
Mechagon workshop has pretty small pulls
sweet summit
i'm not talking about aegis
waxen frigate
Oh I’m stupid
onyx vessel
Reactive defense matrix
waxen frigate
I saw SFA and thought it was some weird way to say aegis
sweet summit
salvaged fusion amplifier
sweet summit
waxen frigate
That makes sense
onyx vessel
That could be good if you know your m+ lacks st dmg for tyran
sweet summit
more of a casual carry my friends through keys kinda person, so rdm it is
if it's mainly keys you do then definitely prioritize RDM
waxen frigate
Ye amplifier is more of a raid trink for sure
onyx vessel
Ok get all raid trinkets
M+ trinkets suck
So'leahs is good but nothing gonna beat old warrior soul
onyx vessel
Everyone uses it right now
sweet summit
just forget that you forgot to refresh
tender imp
Everyone uses it right now
because they dont have the raid trinkets yet
onyx vessel
Will change later this week when more people get clearing sanctum
waxen frigate
Yea for sure
No good tank trinkets outside of sod
SoD had such giga trinks honestly it was wild
onyx vessel
Nothing good in dungeons minus soleahs
waxen frigate
SFO had good Dps trinkets at least
waxen frigate
Oh no no no
waxen frigate
I’ve gotten 7 weapons on my monk so far this season 🙂
onyx vessel
Shield does like 1.5%
onyx vessel
sweet summit
got one traded to me guess that counts?
onyx vessel
You got ring set tho
sweet summit
no
abstract holly
is prot considered not a meme in M+ anymore or still bad?
onyx vessel
Didnt see the shield once
onyx vessel
16 ilvl increase well ok
waxen frigate
but hardest to play by a mile
so it probably still wont be seen that much in pug keys
waxen frigate
is the implication that bear is hard
onyx vessel
Nah bear is very easy to play
sweet summit
i think the implication is that bear is bad
sweet summit
but xddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
waxen frigate
xD
sweet summit
it's not bad
onyx vessel
"Bad"
sweet summit
it's just worse than the other options
onyx vessel
Cuz you can play bdk and pug it easy mode
onyx vessel
Flavour of the month gamers
waxen frigate
me press lots of heart strike
onyx vessel
Disc players 
onyx vessel
Never was
waxen frigate
surprised by ppala tbh
onyx vessel
Not really surprised ppala is top
waxen frigate
it was bad after that, compared to other tanks still
onyx vessel
They pump
onyx vessel
Bdk is 🛌
sweet summit
top teams only care about the best so as long as it's not the best it's irrelevant
doesn't make it bad
waxen frigate
i mean
you could at one point i remember
go through about 200 top rated tanks
and not see a single pwarr
you saw everything else
and lots of variety
waxen frigate
no because it was just weaker and required way more effort to play
to get a similar result as something with way less effort
onyx vessel
Locks in group less fun
onyx vessel
Listening to your lock cry every pull
waxen frigate
in a relative sense
onyx vessel
brittle owl
the diff between tanks is usually 1-2 keylevels
waxen frigate
of course pwarr is/was fine for the vast majority of players
i mean
a 30 and a 32
are pretty fuckin different
brittle owl
and doesn't realistically affect anyone except like 50-100 people
waxen frigate
yes but you're also making a pointless argument--we're talking about just the class played to its peak
onyx vessel
I wonder how prepatch will go
waxen frigate
obviously it doesnt matter if you're running weekly 15s
onyx vessel
Double wall
waxen frigate
but that's not the purpose
are you gonna look at 50th percentile logs
to see what's good?
waxen frigate
no they shouldn't lol
brittle owl
waxen frigate
what matters is playing their own class to the best of their ability
sweet summit
you're definitely not gonna look at 100th percentile logs either
waxen frigate
and looking at people who are actually good to compare
no
you look at like
95th
brittle owl
you should only look at mobs and measure just how fast the red bar goes down
waxen frigate
based
sweet summit
what are you sadging for little man
brittle owl
blue man mood
sweet summit
10.0 will fix wow 
sweet summit
had to eventually tbf
onyx vessel
Very strong yes
For fury also busted af
Probably wouldve taken them to unkillable tbh
warm plinth
Late is like my favorite person in here, leave him be
grizzled forge
i know item level is just everything but all this gear im getting with crit and vers or mastery etc going from 38% haste down to 22 feels weird
onyx vessel
oblique garnet
Late is a little man <:critcake:984549832511344640>
onyx vessel
<:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
oblique garnet
Favorite retired player
Also im back
south zealot
i reflected the kings hit but it was after his burn phase, so he was either immu...
im almost 100% sure its a deflect as of now
i also reflected but im pretty sure it was when he was active
violet violet
thanks dude yeah ill keep trying for fun anyway haha
oblique garnet
im almost 100% sure its a deflect as of now
yes you can reflect it without it being active
sick sentinel
Is that from the chess game in UK?
shut summit
yes
sick sentinel
What are you reflecting
shut summit
yes
mighty valley
his immunity doesn't go back on immediately
daring cosmos
Hello! I was thinking of playing a lot more prot warrior, but my friend plays Fury as a main. Would there be a lot of downsides in endgame content having two warriors or does it not matter much?
sweet summit
doesn't matter bro, you're chilling
mortal brook
Will work fine
daring cosmos
awesome, thanks!
stable valve
would it be worth to go into the fray instead of ravager for junkyard?
stable valve
need the rage or are shock bots not quite that nutty
jagged pier
both
solar willow
Pushed my SS CPM from like 9 to 13.5 I raid last night
Better 😌
But I still need to get banner to last longer x.x
strong forum
You cant guarantee to get 5 itf stacks at all times, especially in JY, so you'll barely ever have the full benefit
solar willow
What about with a full melee group? 👀
strong forum
Well if you do have a full melee group you do have the stacks if they stick close enough, so i guess there if the keylevel is high enough for the 10% haste to get over 1k dps out of zap, then it'll be better
Which is unrealistic :^)
Or well, you'd need to gain over 1k dps with zap + your own play to beat ravager*
solar willow
Quick one, should I be aiming to cast revenge basically all the time EXCEPT when SS or TC is available OR when casting revenge doesn't use enough rage to keep me away from rage capping (because I have an OB SS coming up or avatar/DS is coming off CD)
solar willow
When ignore pain?
I was using IP to yank me down from the 80-100 rage range to avoid capping
strong forum
To prevent overcapping
solar willow
Oh
Perfect. 😌
Tyty
Think I just need to get my balance of revenge/IP better, I think I'm sitting far too much of the IP side
strong forum
by pressing IP to prevent overcapping you'll still Spam it fuckloads, don't think you dotn have to cast it often it's required to keep up Banner
toxic pewter
The ip buff is so good
solar willow
Ye, I see me double casting it pretty frequently
Especially when I see banner with like 2s left 😂
onyx vessel
You cant guarantee to get 5 itf stacks at all times, especially in JY, so you'll...
Bring a full melee squad
Already rocking like 69% haste with 12 stacks of affix we chillin
sweet summit
excuses...
south zealot
gyms arent open 
onyx vessel
Log off turn on some ____ then go back
sweet summit
unfort
onyx vessel
south zealot
ah well u see i have 2 gyms in walking distance
no car bc my break booster broke
have to replace tomorrow morning
solar willow
have to replace tomorrow morning
You won't have any time to replace if you're gonna have to run more lower karas
oblique garnet
tfw because last week jy nothing did damage and there was inspiring mobs nobody actually knows you have to kick couple casts 
Actually horrible experience in pugs
sweet summit
i hecking love inspiring
oblique garnet
You know the first pull with 2 broken scrapbots and 2 other packs where you have to kick coilbearers
They dont know
brittle owl
do you not enjoy
brittle owl
tard wrangling
brittle owl
what about timmy huffing glue next to the boss while the previous pack is still alive
oblique garnet
Just have to adapt and play trash with boss then
oblique garnet
really wish people would know how to dps tho
brittle owl
wouldn't be any troglodytes to insult
south zealot
rip another lower kara 20
people still dont know what go left at the start and go to attumen means
deft oar
is the Fusion Hacker 1h worth farming ?
oblique garnet
is the Fusion Hacker 1h worth farming ?
no
deft oar
ok thanks
digital meteor
Hello,
I am pexing a protection warrior and I fell in love. I am learning tanking as well.
I found Llarold's weakaura and I love it however I have a problem with it, the spells ignore pain, revenge and shield wall for example do not appear, there is an "?" essus. other spells appear well. I'm only lvl 34, is this the problem?
However I have the spells and I use them well.
Do you know where the problem can come from?
Thank you
digital meteor
Oh sorry. I post my message on the right channel
trim osprey
hey stupid question, should i spam ignore pain?
solar willow
When ignore pain?
@trim osprey look at reply link.
I basically asked the same question
Basic answer, only to stop yourself from capping on rage (which will be often)
trim osprey
Basic answer, only to stop yourself from capping on rage (which will be often)
yea in my case its the oposite. im rage starved alot
solar willow
Oh dear x.x post logs in #449510248579858432 if you can, you'll get bombarded with advice
I find myself flooded with too much rage most of the time
trim osprey
do you have globals where you dont cast anything?
trim osprey
ye
solar willow
Do you keep shield slam and thunderclap on CD?
As well as demo shout (with booming voice talent) on CD too?
solar willow
Hummm, I'm new as of yesterday here, so that's as much as I've learned since then 😅
Logs will help you the most
Hard to say what's up without the data
trim osprey
yea same basically, geared my war from 250 to 274 and jumped right into 15's, i gues it will come with experience
solar willow
If you're only spamming IP you prolly will rage starve
Make sure you use revenge aggressively and keep SB up
That's the only other thing I can think of /shrug
oblique garnet
^
trim osprey
Noted
ill try to fix my ignore pain spamming habit too
its drains so much rage to the point where i cant even get shield wall up
oblique garnet
nothing wrong with spamming ip
rich beacon
Probably not using reprisal aggressively enough too. That's my issue at least. I just forget to run out and charge.
trim osprey
Probably not using reprisal aggressively enough too. That's my issue at least. I...
that too actually
brittle owl
nothing wrong with spamming ip
having that in mind can lead to bad habits
solar willow
Oh yeh, reprisal, that's commonly misused
brittle owl
prob better to think about it as a preffered, off gcd rage dump
solar willow
I am guilty of it also
brittle owl
to prevent overcap
oblique garnet
All it takes is just practice tbh
trim osprey
All it takes is just practice tbh
Tru that, I've only tanked for 1 day so i can't really complain yet
Having a blast though
trim osprey
Speaking of, I replaced codex.
PogU
I got the nine trinket last night so now i run that and ows
solar willow
Soleah and Titanic Ocular atm x.x
trim osprey
Solea isn't that bad though, nice haste IF your party bros had haste
solar willow
Ye, I think it dropped a lot in S4 tho
oblique garnet
I wish it was that chill when I joined this DC 😌
Thats just because im nice and never 
like jakey 
deft ridge
how much haste is too much haste for Prot Warrior?
rich beacon
My record on the dummy is 12min+ to keep up banner but I'm always forgetting to charge and then drop it after 90s
solar willow
how much haste is too much haste for Prot Warrior?
Error 404, answer not found
oblique garnet
^
There might be a case for making mastery worth taking in physical heavy dungeons but even that is a stretch atm unless you are pushing 30+ keys
solar willow
My record on the dummy is 12min+ to keep up banner but I'm always forgetting to ...
Waaaahhh, I'm struggling to get over 1 min atm
(Which is a vast improvement from the 30-40 secs I was doing before
jagged pier
Thats just because im nice and never <:naeno:318243701602385920> like jakey <:de...
rude
trim osprey
Waaaahhh, I'm struggling to get over 1 min atm
That's the best part og having SIpS (spamming ignore pain syndrome) the banner is always up no matter what
solar willow
True, but I wanna hit fkers
trim osprey
I still pull 10k overalls despite my disadvantage
oblique garnet
You can do both
solar willow
Oh fug T-T
oblique garnet
You weave in IP between revenges
trim osprey
You weave in IP between revenges
Speaking of that, should i use revenge without proccs?
oblique garnet
Once you combine everything you can do things like this while having 100% uptime on banner
And yes you should use revenge
without procs
trim osprey
Okeh
solar willow
I'm still struggling to hit 10k, but tbf I haven't jumped into a m+ since I switched up my rotation etc so I've not seen what I do I practice
Cos it was raid night last nifht
I can see my bursting above 10k when I have last stand up with everything else x.x
(On 3 target dummy)
trim osprey
I can see my bursting above 10k when I have last stand up with everything else x...
I pulled 40k last night. I pulled half of the first room in junkyard
solar willow
I pulled 40k last night. I pulled half of the first room in junkyard
You can make them kill themselves 😌
trim osprey
You can make them kill themselves 😌
Mhm
drifting juniper
do you guys go for haste crit or haste vers
is versa only for surviavibility
Makes no sense for damage
rich beacon
I just go for high numbers on my items
drifting juniper
you mean item level?
rich beacon
Yep
drifting juniper
well thats given i mean after Str
jagged pier
is versa only for surviavibility
what vers also increases damage
solar willow
Verse flat damage inc
jagged pier
actually increases more than it increases damage reduction
drifting juniper
the amount of points you put in vers doesnt give as much damage as you put it in crit
i know that vers gives damage
rich beacon
I don't know. I'm not in a position right now to have to decide between which high ilvl items i need to pick
sick sentinel
How do you SR the king in upper Kara?
oblique garnet
you just walk up to him and spell reflect the frost square
sick sentinel
Isn't he immune though?
solar willow
90% reduction
echo egret
What's with the trash in Iron docks ? Seems completely overtuned
echo egret
Still feel massively harder than trash in Gambit, Streets, even GD
Twin Wranglers hitting me for 55K ?
trim osprey
Twin Wranglers hitting me for 55K ?
the wranglers needs to be CC'd no matter what
echo egret
Well there are two packs with two of them and I doubt you can invis both
oblique garnet
As long as the throw isnt blockable you will 100% skip them in any real key
deathskip
echo egret
That's a dumb tactic and I can only blame Blizzard's tuning if we have to fall back to that
solar willow
Rogue shroud
cobalt seal
That's a dumb tactic and I can only blame Blizzard's tuning if we have to fall b...
may I remind you where streets started in terms of tuning?
or maybe gamba?
pallid musk
Late, was your former protection? Hard see our val’kyries
All i know Mwahi was therocrafter and Normetur just replaced him
Going be fun hunt new Val’kyries then when God of War Ragnarök 😙
pallid musk
I found out by clicking name on our valkyries anyway 😉
cobalt seal
Going be fun hunt new Val’kyries then when God of War Ragnarök 😙
watch the game being delayed again
pallid musk
watch the game being delayed again
Oh nooooo!!!!! 😢
mellow bridge
ID is horribly overtuned yeah
That bleed from the mobs before the first boss
is so hilarious
slow kindle
Damn, i thought i was doing something wrong in docks
spear hitting for 50k
was thinking maybe i did turn my back to it?
so it just suppose to be like that? :0
trim osprey
so it just suppose to be like that? :0
yes but actually no. its just blizzard who doesnt know that tuning is a thing.
oblique garnet
Its an older dungeon and ranged blocking wasnt a thing in pve until bfa
zinc shale
Just reading some on icyveins prot m+.. Reflecting Infiltrator Vamp claws wont heal the infiltrator and nowhere does it say you can reflect Zulgamux Shadow claw stacks to rid of one dot/deal dmg to her 😛
guess its outdated from day 1
oblique garnet
You mean the zulgamux part?
zinc shale
Infiltrator + zulgamux are partly wrong and missing info ^^
zinc shale
Vamparic claws cant reflect the damage, but if you reflect it, it negates the damage and the heal
And you can reflect one dot from zulgamux
oblique garnet
im confused
zinc shale
Spell Reflection Icon Spell Reflection will reflect the ability but also HEALS the Dreadlord;
should be WILL NOT heal
oblique garnet
Oh
solar willow
I think gurk is criticising icy veins
oblique garnet
@ionic fern you still doing icyveins?
zinc shale
I think gurk is criticising icy veins
eh can just be something missed during the writing
ionic fern
Je,sup?
solar willow
Yeye
zinc shale
But overall the guide is also behind a patch or two, especially the necrolord part for warrior
oblique garnet
There are some mistakes apparently in guide regarding the affix
zinc shale
Je,sup?
Spell Reflection Icon Spell Reflection will reflect the ability but also HEALS the Dreadlord; - Reflect negates the damage completely and the infiltrator wont heal from it
ionic fern
idk it has been that way from day 1 ^^
Wasn't in ptr.
oblique garnet
^
zinc shale
Wasn't in ptr.
Also a dot from Zulgamux can be reflected, probably 3x if im not mistaken can be reflected during her uptime
ionic fern
woven girder
got a 291 elegy today, should i replace my 246 warrior soul with it for m+?
its a ton of main stat and more consistent if i have to wait for my group
but warrior soul
jagged pier
woven girder
but it aint raid
jagged pier
and?
woven girder
sim would say soul probs because you can guarantee the full stacks all the time
but i cant in m+ so thats why i was asking
jagged pier
u can set up a sim so it doesnt do that
woven girder
a lot of dungeons have rp now tho
oblique garnet
Like what
woven girder
or if a member dies and you need to wait for them
oblique garnet
Upper last boss kinda kills itself with spell reflect
Ows is still ridiculously strong trinket
woven girder
idk this is what im looking at though, the main stat is really strong too
until i get a better ows
maybe i do just stick with ows
just feels off if i have any downtime
woven girder
trueeee
undone verge
Upper last boss kinda kills itself with spell reflect
What can you spell reflect on last boss of upper?
jagged pier
his cast
static aspen
Wasn't in ptr.
You publish guides according to ptr and not how its actually live?
Wierdchamp
jagged pier
well as guides are written before the content becomes live because ppl need the info before hand, they can only write what the game is showing
and PTR is a very close representation of what the game is going to be like
minor helm
zinc shale
fml
a priest hardcsting flashheal/heal throughout a 19 yard
ooming on packs of 3 mobs
Noticed healing was wack when clearing to gunker, but around trixie the mobs are harder and our run took a hardstop 😄
wary plume
a priest hardcsting flashheal/heal throughout a 19 yard
what would you expect them to cast?
wary plume
heal is the big boi for hpriest
hes probably playing correctly at least with casts
if hes running FC
which he should be
zinc shale
wary plume
ye thats good
uneven mason
Isn't there something in junkyard that is quite painful for us? Something unlockable
wary plume
they might have more chance to dps iono but spamming heal is the correct play for hpriest
zinc shale
he wasnt at all using divine star, or prayer of mending
zinc shale
500k+ healing in my previous 17 yard with another priest, without issues xD
and 300k healing star
neglecting them is just stupid
free healing
wary plume
yeah i mean i cant comment on specifics but his healing casts are correct there
'heal' heals a lot more than star
star is for dps
wary plume
renew is dogshit
you never cast it
any priest spamming renew doesnt know how to play
zinc shale
passive healing with echo, trail, prayer and renew isnt good?
wary plume
trail and echo come from casting heal
zinc shale
legit now, you're not aoe healing with HEAL
wary plume
yes you do
trust me on this haha
hpriest uses heal for aoe healing
i could go into detail if you want but its a bit off topic
this is me healing a raid with a 99 parse
its heal all the way
cobalt seal
healing parses
sick sentinel
and greater heal
cobalt seal
sick sentinel
and lesser heal probably too