protection

[strong forum]

But that's barely 100dps

My guy

[oblique garnet]

:^)

[minor helm]

Also apparently it has a debuff that gives it a chance for like a 5 minute cooldown?

[wind oak]

for ring you only take the mechagon on

[strong forum]

That's a diff ring

[minor helm]

According to a guildy

Aah

[wind oak]

with the funny proc haste

[strong forum]

The one use gamble ring from legion has 15sec CD, but you only use it every 30sec

[minor helm]

Aah yeah

The shadow damage one right

[strong forum]

But mechagon combo with haste +3 abilities is bis in every scenario

[minor helm]

They just buffed the dam too

[strong forum]

That combo is worth 5-6 sockets

[sick sentinel]

i managed to get a 272 dreadfire and 265 weapon from the fated LFR

debating if i want to attempt desperate normal groups soon

[strong forum]

Dreadfire ain't too bad

Yogi you're a big boy now you got KSM last season, surely you can manage normal CN aswell

[sick sentinel]

huntar malded at me in whispers

big red button 2.0

[timber nest]

vers vs haste buff from m+?

[strong forum]

Haste

The only reason to ever pick vers is to avoid literal one-shots you couldn't have survived without the teeny tiny bit of extra DR (0-6% in the best case scenario)

[jagged pier]

imagine choosing 6% DR over like 20% haste

[oblique garnet]

anything but vers is better than picking vers

mastery might be decent too

i need to do some more testing

to see how much it ends up giving

[minor helm]

When did he mald?

[severe swallow]

Do we take Versa for Shrouded affix

or Haste?

[sick sentinel]

he asked multiple times in whispers even though i didnt respond the first time, not a big deal

[mortal brook]

Haste much more valuable

[strong forum]

Which shrouded affix bounty should I pick?
Haste - In 99.9% of all cases Haste will be your go-to stat because of its % multiplicative scaling nature and amazing interaction with our resource generation.

Mastery - quite lackluster as it also DRs unlike the other stats

Crit - good for raw dmg, nothing else to mention

Versatility - extremely poor performance compared to any other stat both offensively and defensively given that it grants only 1% instead of 2%. The only situation where it could have any use is when you as the tank are getting literally 1shot without the minimal DR gain (7-8% at max at the end of a dungeon, alot less in the beginning and middle of the run)

[oblique garnet]

Only reason to not really take haste is that your left hand starts making weird clicking noises everytime you move it tbh

[sick sentinel]

nothing else to mention, it doesn't give parry because its % and not rating

[mortal brook]

Nice pin bro

[oblique garnet]

Isnt this basically nzoth trinket level in terms of absorbtion

[strong forum]

The absorb is alot lower, but it's good qol

6sec duration is the biggest downside tbh

[oblique garnet]

The nzoth trinket was also lower absorb and 1 min cd

with short duration

Iirc

[strong forum]

Nzoth was OP cuz of the 80% absorb and the relative shield size was bigger than vintage

[oblique garnet]

was it really 80% absorb

Damn

[strong forum]

And in a world of aegis and rdm it just doesn't hold its ground, but good nontheless

[urban portal]

i thought the meta was to try to get as much healing as possible

[oblique garnet]

Havent done a single dungeon with tank trinkets yet

[strong forum]

Same

[oblique garnet]

but in my defense highest ive done is only 19

[mortal brook]

Killing your enemies with big dam reduces incoming damage from those enemies. Very tanky

[strong forum]

Tank trinkets are only "needed" for high keys or early progression raiding

[mortal brook]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/425330937778274304/1005953741188517948/unknown.png

For example

[strong forum]

In lower content they just end up being used as bandaid to cover for performance issues

Or just end up being entirely useless

[mortal brook]

Alar not even killing my party, awful trinket

[urban portal]

also good if you wanna cosplay MDI when your team is obviously not equipped to handle it

so you can be the last one alive and flame your team

[mortal brook]

That's a feature, not a bug

[oblique garnet]

just wait till bursting

[wraith hound]

so how do you tank the second wagon of grimrail depot without wiping the entire party haha

[mortal brook]

I for one look forward to storming flame wreath

[chrome falcon]

i dunno mba you just

tank it

dodge stuff

[oblique garnet]

next to wall

[chrome falcon]

shield block

spam IP

[mortal brook]

Face stuff at walls

[chrome falcon]

and yeah face at walls

run through them to face them at the opposite wall when you're done

[strong forum]

Face the walls, get good weakauras to tell you wtf is being casted

[mortal brook]

Leap the flametongue cuz hek

[oblique garnet]

Start on left side kill boomer -> move to right side kill 2 boomers -> boss comes out or cannon is at 1% go to middle next to cannon

[chrome falcon]

or if you're really scared about moving just tank it with shield wall and fleshcraft

[mortal brook]

Flametongue tracker 100%

[wraith hound]

hm yeah wall to wall maybe

havent gotten any new weakauras yet for this season tbh

[strong forum]

Same

90% of the time I can't see shit going on so I just scream

Tends to work

[wraith hound]

haha well that works

lower and GD are best for screaming

[mortal brook]

Opossum energy

[pallid quiver]

yknow i feel this and i dont like it

[pallid quiver]

Also is Kara Lower really that poorly tuned? I haven't had the chance to do any M+ yet this season due to Evo being this week

[wraith hound]

yep

[strong forum]

its mechanically a lot more demanding than other dungeons

[lofty widget]

i think lower is fine

upper has some really hard bosses tho

[chrome falcon]

lower is horrific to pug imo

[strong forum]

nah it is factual that the number requirements are alot higher than in other dungeons

[wraith hound]

upper is really chill

[lofty widget]

i dont pug anything outside JY

[uneven wagon]

guys how do you find a guild

[wraith hound]

tfw you pug everything

how does one find non pugs

[lofty widget]

pug a lot, add ppl you think are good, whisper them to play again

[mortal brook]

Recruitment discord, warcraftlogs recruitment

[chrome falcon]

i dunno i just made my own @uneven wagon

[lofty widget]

repeat until you have 5 ppl

[strong forum]

i looked in #promotion and hit up a guild that didnt seem tryhard cringe

[ocean yoke]

i got messages on wowprogress pretty quickly last time i had been guild hunting as well

[minor helm]

Try raider.io and warcraftlogs both their recruitment pages are good

[wraith hound]

hmm good idea

I am in the guild of a friend

but they are too good and tryhard so they dont play with me

already 1900 rating n shit

[sick sentinel]

don't chose ppl that do obviously bad transmog

[wraith hound]

xD

[sick sentinel]

cuz it shows they don't care enough to present themselves for show time

[ocean yoke]

transmog parse> damage parse

[sick sentinel]

its indicative of how much effort they may put into playing for some, some is just all flash bleh

[uneven wagon]

won't those ppl be only looking at my logs and raiderio score

[chrome falcon]

not if you have a good application

and just get good logs and good rio anyway

[minor helm]

Depends on what you are looking for

The higher WR the guild yeah the more important logs are

[vernal vale]

Took me a long time.

[vernal vale]

RiP I never got messages when I was looking.

[uneven wagon]

I want a guild that won't chastise me for playing heroic by myself 😭

[vernal vale]

@uneven wagon that's most guilds. At most we asked people not to raid Tuesday when we went in Wednesday. But after that put in the extra time if you want.

know it's a different environment but putting up good dungeon runs can help with getting in a guild too

[mortal brook]

Only excellent mogs here

@strong forum pls confirm

[tardy urchin]

how is prot now after the small buff?

[strong forum]

only good mogs allwed

[strong forum]

pretty good, albeit still harder than others

[tardy urchin]

harder because off skill cap and harder to play? or like bad stats/resource wise? trying to think what to play next, playing Veng DH usually buy want a nice alt

and dont find DK so fun as others do :p

[oblique garnet]

highest skill cap tank atm

[tardy urchin]

so if you get good on warrior, then it shines very well i guess

[strong forum]

yup

[tardy urchin]

can it outshine DK if played well? or DK will kinda still be better

[oblique garnet]

yes

[tardy urchin]

yes first or last "question" :p

i might asked very dumb question there

[urban portal]

anyone have the blood dk codex site

[strong forum]

i dont think warri can outshine BDK unless BDK runs into the territory of being 1shot on the regular

once the DKS get their 298/311 gavels theyre gonna be disgusting

[tardy urchin]

i see

[sick sentinel]

Hey folks, i know we can SR medievs piercing missiles nur actually im dumb

[chrome falcon]

311 gavel is going to be very unpleasant to watch

[strong forum]

1 tick

[sick sentinel]

Anyone got. some advices?

[chrome falcon]

advice on what

[timber nest]

Anyone have a MDT for lower?

[sick sentinel]

To handle this

[mortal brook]

https://walruscow.github.io/codex_vs/

[chrome falcon]

use shield wall

fleshcraft

[strong forum]

you can reflect 1 tick of arcance missiles, you need to plan out your defensives for missiles

[chrome falcon]

and if you don't have those then you need to kick it

[timber nest]

if you SR the last tick you dont get the debuff

[vernal vale]

Timing that can be awkward. I miss reflecting the entire thing.

[strong forum]

alleviated alot of the pressure

[chrome falcon]

and also killed the boss for you

[strong forum]

and made us the best tank vs medivh whereas now we're mediocre

[vernal vale]

Yeah, watching mehdiv slap himself in the face was great

[strong forum]

atleast we get to demolish last boss

[uneven wagon]

man alliance guilds are few and far between huh

[zealous willow]

when they gonna fix the kara neck scaling ? Any1 reported this or

[lofty widget]

prob wont

[chrome falcon]

they didn't fix it at any point in legion

so

[zealous willow]

wtf

[lofty widget]

it's unity slot for now

[zealous willow]

they fixed the ring from last boss in kara...

[chrome falcon]

fortunately you don't need to find an alliance guild

[uneven wagon]

you dont?

[strong forum]

ya "being in the guild" isnt necessary anymore

[chrome falcon]

you can just play cross-faction

you can't join their guild

but you don't need to

[uneven wagon]

ah right

[distant crystal]

wait till you see the bears with 311 gavels tho

[minor helm]

[distant crystal]

replying to old nom posts plz disregard

[uneven wagon]

time to gear my 9.0 horde character again

[oblique garnet]

No loot from slg back to workshop

[vernal vale]

Yeah, alliance guilds are very rare and since cross faction lot of them basically have let people go horde if they want for the raid team making it even harder.

[wild hemlock]

r u NA. i need junk also

i mean work lol

[strong forum]

@oblique garnet you 295 yet?

[sweet summit]

how do you do it man i don't get it

[strong forum]

i myself am only 287

ive done like 25 keys

[sweet summit]

i did like 5 keys and that was me done

[vernal vale]

I don't have the time to run infinite keys lol

I did get to 280 but I haven't spent any Valor on my few upgrades yet. Waiting for vault.

[minor helm]

Any loot?

[oblique garnet]

lmao no i havent pushed anything really

i would be if i did

[sweet summit]

uhh 288 one hander and legs

[strong forum]

gib weppy

[oblique garnet]

ive looted 3

[strong forum]

woah

[oblique garnet]

0 rings

:))

[strong forum]

ya i was decently lucky

cough

[sweet summit]

do workshop with late and u get weppy

[strong forum]

we looted 2 full combos in like 10 runs

[royal lodge]

Fellow warrior enthusiasts, what is the consensus of the versatility trinket from Iron Docks? I macroed it with banner but I think it might work better with Avatar but the cooldowns don't line up very often.

[strong forum]

is as good as it sims

nothing to write home about

[sweet summit]

macro it to avatar

you're not always pressing banner on cd

ideally separate bind tho

[atomic matrix]

Any tips for a new prot warrior? Atm, i'm at SB 54%, Banner 34%, sometimes i get SB up to around 66% but fuck seems like i'm messing up so much!

[cinder storm]

I think we might rise more than we did in S3 just because of SR vampire claws, here's to hoping

[strong forum]

if your SB is this low youre not abusing reprisal enough

https://i.imgur.com/tZx04sL.png

[urban portal]

34% banner is sketch

[waxen frigate]

battle shout lower uptime than banner and ignore pain

🤔

[strong forum]

was with 2 warriors

maybe it doesnt count others?

[waxen frigate]

idk, something weird

im just shitposting

[strong forum]

but good point nonetheless

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-out-nerd-kid-go-fight-gif-12194579

[urban portal]

yo

thats actually kinda sketch

[wild hemlock]

nome when he gets to post his uptimes

[urban portal]

banner uptime>bshout uptime

[chrome falcon]

Go hit a target dummy until you can keep banner up until it comes off CD

Then do it until LS comes off CD

Also post logs if you have them

[atomic matrix]

Think i might have a log un momento

[strong forum]

it kinda just fell off on logs, that has to be a bug

cuz nobody died

[snow brook]

What loot spec do you guys go for Vault ? In shadowlands I was playing Brewmaster and would go windwalker to avoid all the shitty tank trinkets. Not sure with prot since we need shield and I dont know if there are as many shitty trinkets in the new season 4 dungeon list (there also does not seems to be great DPS one either for prot)

[lofty widget]

prot until you get a shield

[chrome falcon]

prot until you have shield

[waxen frigate]

more like you fell off + L + ratio

[wild hemlock]

prot until you get shield wep

[lofty widget]

then fury until you get a 1 hander

[chrome falcon]

you don't care about any trinkets from these dungeons

[atomic matrix]

I think this is also a big issue for me ye, but sometimes i feel awkward jumping away charging in example. Also i think i'm overlapping IP a lot

[chrome falcon]

Overlapping IP is fine

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/TfZI66x.png Bshout was apparently not buffed from 12:00 to 14:37, despite me casting it at 9min and nobody dying in the run

so yeah, bug

[waxen frigate]

wack

[chrome falcon]

video i DM'd you will help with banner uptime

[waxen frigate]

details fell off + L + ratio

[chrome falcon]

and explaining why IP spamming/overlapping is fine

[undone verge]

IP is a rage dump, dont worry about over capping it

also it stacks up to 20k or something

[chrome falcon]

best thing you can do is post logs tho

also you don't need to leap out to proc reprisal

just strafe back/stun/charge a caster

i almost never leap out for reprisal unless it's a boss

[chilly brook]

Charge weaving only feels “weird” until you realize how it’s optimal anyways

In like every warrior spec

[strong forum]

often times i try to charge too many times

i run out

[chilly brook]

^actually true

[lofty widget]

too real

[strong forum]

where charge? "oh fuck CD"

[lofty widget]

the walk of shame back into the pack

[undone verge]

runs out of melee no charge? Walks back to boss

[chilly brook]

The sad feels

[strong forum]

very sad

[undone verge]

the worst feeling

[strong forum]

it physically hurts

[undone verge]

actually the worst feeling is wasting outburst

but charge is close second

[wild hemlock]

or being stuck waiting for shield slam while on out bursth

and havint TC up that you want to press lol

[chrome falcon]

i just TC in that scenario

[undone verge]

I love when my WA bugs out and tells me I have 50 rage left b4 proc and I press revenge and it overrides my outburst

[strong forum]

thats fine

[chrome falcon]

hurts but what can you do

[strong forum]

nothing worse than overlapping outbursts

[chilly brook]

Just TC

[lofty widget]

ive been tcing in large pulls lately, feels kinda good

[chilly brook]

Unless it’s like a second away

[chrome falcon]

the actual worst feeling

is press SS on the same game tick that you proc outburst

and it bugs and does nothing

[chilly brook]

Wasting GCDs is horrible on prot

[chrome falcon]

🙂

[chilly brook]

So is not spending rage

[strong forum]

not as much of a bug, until recently IP still counted as 40 rage towards outburst and AM despite only costing 35

[wild hemlock]

omg are we playing runescape

[strong forum]

but since s4 that seems to have been fixed

[chilly brook]

So sometimes you just have to hit TC

[strong forum]

update your WA

[chrome falcon]

fucking apparently man

[wild hemlock]

lets gooooooooooooooooo

[chrome falcon]

because that's how that shit works and what causes the bug

[undone verge]

but like im 50 rage away and revenge procs it

[hazy edge]

Wait don’t update it yet I have t reverted the fix

[strong forum]

yes

[oblique garnet]

Rebooting Bit band

[hazy edge]

I’m legit doing it right now

[chrome falcon]

gonna go do 173 halondrus kills to finish my crab slayer task

[lofty widget]

does that mean you cant go from 5 stacks to outburst anymore?

[strong forum]

i dont track stacks

so dunno

[chrome falcon]

nope you still can chimmi

happened to me earlier today

[lofty widget]

nice

[atomic matrix]

Fuck, found a log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/c4tfjxzBPCyNJ6mY/#fight=last (i'm shit at warrior)

[chrome falcon]

not nice

[lofty widget]

feels like christmas everytime

[chrome falcon]

made me overlap an outburst

[chilly brook]

I only care about stacks when I have an outburst and I’m at 6 stacks

[strong forum]

if you press IP 10 times, youll accumulate 50 more spent rage towards outburst than the WA tells you

[lofty widget]

i count on 5 stacks proccing outburst ever time

[strong forum]

cuz it counted 40 ingame but the WA counted 35

[chrome falcon]

226 shield

[chrome falcon]

You spent 38 outbursts on TC and 44 on shield slam

[oblique garnet]

Atleast 0 rage wasted

[chrome falcon]

Even in aoe, you almost always use outburst on SS instead of TC

[uneven wagon]

should I just give up on my decently geared alliance char and go back to horde where I belong

[strong forum]

?

[minor helm]

Just faction swap

[strong forum]

you can play cross-faction

[chrome falcon]

SS outburst >>> TC outburst because of the rage

[undone verge]

ah I get it

[uneven wagon]

I wanna be in a guild

[strong forum]

just being in discord is enough

[urban portal]

what addon

[oblique garnet]

Details

[urban portal]

is that built into details

[oblique garnet]

Think so

[uneven wagon]

its ok guys I have the alar trinket im geared

[minor helm]

You’re more likely to get into a guild if you have gear

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/ef80096aa99da78225987386f786c1c4

[strong forum]

isnt accurate

[chrome falcon]

ok so this image tells us everything you need to know

You need to spam revenge

[strong forum]

details tells me i didnt waste rage, when i know i did

[oblique garnet]

[chrome falcon]

You spam revenge to dump rage, and any extra rage goes onto IP

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/QZD1PH5.png

[chrome falcon]

This is a 25 minute key and you only cast 19 demos and 13 ravagers

[strong forum]

i know for a fact i, on average, overcap rage by 3%

[chrome falcon]

Both of those spells have a less than 1 minute CD so they should be minimum 20 casts each

And closer to 25

[modern brook]

Low cpm so low rage Gen do low sb uptime so high damage intake with low mitigation

[undone verge]

Banner dropped a bunch, and it looks like you are spending outburst more on TC, since outburst triples the rage you get you want to SS for that extra rage. Also make sure you are utilizing Reprisal, charging to casters, intervening melee, and press SB on Cd, only press IP if you are going to overcap rage, or are around 70-75 rage. Revenge a lot to proc more SS for more rage

[chrome falcon]

Shield slam has a ~7 second CD so even if you had ZERO procs it should be 10cpm, and obviously we have much more than zero procs

So you should be casting a lot more shield slams

[modern brook]

You're burning alot of bv rage, make sure you don't cap on your cds

Press more buttons faster

[chrome falcon]

But your biggest problem is that you're totally undervaluing revenge

[wraith hound]

💀

[vestal garnet]

yo guys, whats your average shield slam dmg (no crit)? I feel like mine are so weak and I'm not doing enough damage I should.

[undone verge]

6-12k

[strong forum]

depends entirely on gear my man

[undone verge]

Ig 12k is with crit

[chrome falcon]

Depends on gear, demo shout, avatar, banner

[undone verge]

around 6-8k no crit no outburst

[chrome falcon]

or shield block

There are 5 different things that modify our shield slam damage

[modern brook]

[chrome falcon]

So you can't just look at "average SS damage"

[strong forum]

if you want truly average, my average non-crit is 10k

[vestal garnet]

I'm about 7k in average non crit, 36% mastery, 19% vers, 291 ilvl

[chrome falcon]

@atomic matrix It's only on a target dummy so it's obviously in a vacuum but i strongly recommend the video I linked to see how you should be doing your rotation

[strong forum]

that does average out with outbursts

[chrome falcon]

You need to have CPM on your revenge that is roughly equal to shield slam

So minimum of 12-14

[oblique garnet]

9.6k average non crit

[chrome falcon]

Higher because of how much haste we have

[lofty widget]

10.4

[strong forum]

chimmi hacking

[vernal vale]

This all the time

[vestal garnet]

never had over 10k in average damn

[chrome falcon]

@atomic matrix Also, you only cast last stand once in the entire run. You need to cast last stand ON COOLDOWN during banner for rage generation to improve uptime

[atomic matrix]

okay so more outbursts used on SS, and spam revenge? But should i only do that when i have IP, or should i only use IP when hitting 100% rage?

[undone verge]

also dont really think of Last stand as a defensive cd, Unnerving focus gives you around 66% increased rage so SS now with Last stand and outburst generated 75 rage

[strong forum]

cries in 10.1

[undone verge]

when you're in danger of overcapping use IP

[modern brook]

Ip is not a consideration in your rotation

[atomic matrix]

So use it more as a rage generator?

[chrome falcon]

No nifi

IP is exclusively used to dump excess rage

[sick sentinel]

does not existium.... so rare ....

[chrome falcon]

You spend all your rage on revenge

And then when you're about to cap

Which you will

You use IP

[modern brook]

^

[chrome falcon]

Do not think of IP as mitigation that requires uptime

It is exclusively used to make you not cap your big red bar

[undone verge]

yeah Last stand I usually pop on CD or at the start of pulls

[atomic matrix]

fuck, i miss understod prot warriors totally

rip

[chrome falcon]

Last stand is not a defensive CD

It is an offensive CD

You use it during banner for uptime

You can literally have 100% banner uptime in lower

You're overvaluing thunder clap in your rotation also

revenge should be much higher cpm than it

Also

[modern brook]

I mean his revenge casts are low cause he's spending into ip

[chrome falcon]

Go upgrade your conduits lol

You can get full 278s from a vendor

[undone verge]

How do I check my avg non crit?

[wraith hound]

yikes I feel so bad xD

[chrome falcon]

🤷‍♂️

practice until you're not bad then

[modern brook]

[strong forum]

its literally that simple

[chrome falcon]

48 minute +10

[wraith hound]

it was a tough one not gonna lie xDDD

[chrome falcon]

link the log

[modern brook]

We used to have to know things to play this spec

[wraith hound]

its not really representative but a fun log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hpc6J82Dan3Wzjgv/#fight=2&type=auras&source=1&target=1&ability=324143

[modern brook]

Now u just press all your buttons really fast

[strong forum]

almost twice cpm of revenge over SS

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/3c8b232539fa0e9ffed0eddb9dc78f6b

holy fuck

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[chrome falcon]

this is an obscene amount of rage wasted

considering how little rage you actually generated

You're casting 2.5 ignore pains per minute

It needs to be closer to... 9? 10?

[wraith hound]

little rage?

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/pVHHuKw.png

this is my breakdown from lower 16

i didnt play too well but yeah

[chrome falcon]

yes

[strong forum]

this should get you another picture of how it should roughly look like

[chrome falcon]

you are wasting a lot of rage

which is crazy because you're also not generating rage

[wraith hound]

usually 18k generated total is a lot for me I think in a normal run

[chrome falcon]

this is almost an hour long run

[strong forum]

in a 48min run

[chrome falcon]

So...

[strong forum]

you should be closer to 40-45k rage generated

my guy

[modern brook]

You were there for an hour

[chrome falcon]

1k rage per minute

Is the goal

Not always possible but that's the goal

You need to press shield slam almost twice as much

And ignore pain maybe 3 times as much

maybe 4 times

[strong forum]

in this 34min lower kara i generated 34k rage

so almost on the dot of 1k/min

(i did however waste 2k cuz im boosted)

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LGWzyrTatxvQqw4F#fight=12&type=resources&spell=101

[wraith hound]

but how. I feel like I am at a point now where I at lleast hit shield slam when its up

[strong forum]

press more ignore pain

to get more outbursts, more banner uptime, more avatars

to get more rage

also, youre clearly not pressing SS on CD with only 7.4cpm

[chrome falcon]

you're wrong i'm afraid

[modern brook]

Videos help when you feel like the statistical overview isn't meaning much to you

[chrome falcon]

You have 7.5 casts of shield slam per minute

[modern brook]

But in reality any video review will literally just be " you aren't pressing buttons"

[wraith hound]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hpc6J82Dan3Wzjgv/#fight=last&type=resources&spell=101 this one is representative

[chrome falcon]

Lets say shield slam has a 7 second CD

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jinki948-cat-shocked-shocked-face-shock-gif-22585372

[chrome falcon]

So even if you cast shield slam WITH NO PROCS every 7 seconds

You should have higher cpm

Than you currently do

[strong forum]

its a bit better

but still low CPM

[chrome falcon]

This is significantly less terrible

[modern brook]

It's the same rage gain in half the time

It's literally twice as good

[chrome falcon]

But you could still be spamming harder

[wraith hound]

I must be missing something

[chrome falcon]

You wasted 280 rage from demo shout

[wraith hound]

some key fragment

must be rage wasting

[chrome falcon]

Demo shout= 40 rage

So that's 7 casts of demo shout

That basically generated 0 rage for you

Just spam IP harder during high rage windows like last stand and ravager

[timber nest]

what causes moroes's dinner quests to instantly use their abilities and hit for 70k instatnly?

[chrome falcon]

a bug probably

or you're letting them freecast when they're near all their friends

[cinder storm]

I think that's the answer

[timber nest]

@chrome falcon its when i just broke the cc

[wraith hound]

my shield block is pretty terrible since I spam IP more than SB

[chrome falcon]

shield block CD is like 15 seconds

[strong forum]

then just press SB

[chrome falcon]

So MINIMUM cpm on it should be 3

[timber nest]

i break the cc, they instant cast their frontal and 1 shot the group

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah that's a bug

[strong forum]

SB also makes SS hit 30% harder

so use it

[chrome falcon]

I either fight that guy first or last

because breaking him out of CC makes him do that

smile

https://gyazo.com/91cbf48838e70001fd16ae1a45dbf37a?token=f4e3d1cf7ed1f0e36b7217f3ac6df068

[wraith hound]

hm I see thats where I lose a ton of dmg as well

[chrome falcon]

new meta items guys

pog!

[cinder storm]

Can cc others with priest chains, paralyze, etc, my grp only does one at a time, the frontal guy being first

[modern brook]

Fucking up your rage gen is generally where most new prot warriors struggle

[lofty widget]

oh wow the shield might be usable now
/s

[chrome falcon]

frontal guy first is the play imo

[modern brook]

It's such a large cascading affect on literally your entire tool kit

[wispy pawn]

Are prot warriors solo soaking shared suffering on Huntsman , if so how/with what cd's?

[wraith hound]

yeah its so much to handle

[lofty widget]

no

[chrome falcon]

SW+demo+SR should let you solo it

but you can't do that every time

just group soak it, or dodge it if you're cracked

but it's best to just group soak outside of giga keys

[lofty widget]

dodge?

[wispy pawn]

dodge with lock gate

[cinder storm]

Warlock portal

[lofty widget]

i see

[jagged pier]

SW and SR is enough

SR demo and Flesh for another should be enough

but SW isnt up for everyone well depends on how long the phases are

[vernal vale]

Uh, they must have noticed no one used them

[jagged pier]

and what lvl this si from +16

[cinder storm]

It's not like that had another xpac to notice it

[woeful nimbus]

you can dodge the shared suffering with lock gate/leap/intercept, or if you dodge the mortal strike you have more hp makes it 100% easier to soak shared solo

[strong forum]

any 30+% movspeed buff should do the trick

[woeful nimbus]

mortals harder to dodge bc you'll likely merk a dps

[strong forum]

pally can outrun it with just horse

[chrome falcon]

when i wasn't washed i would have my healer stand 15 yds behind me

intervene them to dodge the mortal strike

and if i fucked that up i would use leap to dodge suffering

dodging mortal strike should make suffering much easier

[dusk jay]

hows the shield from mecha looking now with the increased absorb, obviously still highest ilevel, I assume not as strong because of the lost secondaries

[strong forum]

still dogshit

its like 1ppm

[dusk jay]

ye ok thought so 😄

is that low? crazy

[strong forum]

if it procced often, sure it would have defensive value

but it procs pitiful amount of times

[vestal garnet]

right now 213k and 64k dmg in 15mins long gambit on 294ilvl

[strong forum]

absorb is currently 5k, so itll be 10k, thats 160hps

if the shield went up to 30k++ then we'd be talking good

[hazy edge]

Buffs barely did anything compared to 311 wep/shield

[vestal garnet]

I see 11k on mine, so I guess buff is already active

[strong forum]

ya

[plush moat]

thank god the shaman healer gave me this xD

[zealous willow]

from where usaw this

[plush moat]

wowhead

[torn gust]

sick!

[urban portal]

should be comparing it to 304 tho right

so the blowtorch is bad?

[torn gust]

and that fusion hacker

[hazy edge]

wep is barely better than an equal ilvl wep on ST, loses on aoe

[torn gust]

hecc

[urban portal]

so its veinripper but worse

wanna sim it vs veinripper for fun

[hazy edge]

I have a sim with a wep that has the r5 Jaithys effect vs KT 1h, and the Jaithys effect is like 1.2k dps

So basically all of our cantrip effects are bad compared to what other specs get

[urban portal]

oh are you able to move the jaithys effect onto a nother generic 1h?

i think sylv bow was the worst cantrip right

[limpid kite]

Hi what should I do with the throw coins at lower karazhan they hit like a truck

[vernal vale]

Sad day my blowtorch I got not actually good.

[hazy edge]

pretty much yeah.

[sage remnant]

Would i be better off with 23% crit and 29% haste, or 17% crit and 32% haste?

[hazy edge]

it'll still be good if it's your highest ilvl. Will pull a bit ahead of other weapons at equal ilvl on ST so it's still good for raid unless you get a 311

[chrome falcon]

not die

unfortunately that's the best advice we can give

you're right, they hit like a truck

[hazy edge]

Yeah throw coins is stupid. Unblockable, non-mitigated phys damage is dumb af

[chrome falcon]

yep

🐻 can do something about it with ironfur but

mostly it's just a dumb mechanic

[hazy edge]

Throw from Docks is the same way

[chrome falcon]

yep

[hazy edge]

gunna end up one-shotting a ton of people on like 15s next week

[chrome falcon]

when blizz said "you can now block ranged attacks"

i thought that meant that they changed how blocking worked

but all they actually did was code any new spells to be blockable

all the old ones are still dumb

[hazy edge]

Yeah

My big is that they learn from all the shit like this for the old dungeons in 10.0

[mortal brook]

unblockable, pierces phys mit

next week gonna be

🎢

[south zealot]

tru

[mortal brook]

what about orange tank

[south zealot]

wranglers in iron docks and philantropists in lower are so toxic

[mortal brook]

they do everything but fish in form

[grave crane]

And here I thought I was standing in shit that I couldn’t see from throw coins I guess I’ll just SW that pull and hope for the best lll

[sage remnant]

still jelly of green tank

[zealous willow]

i think they will nerf kara 100%

if they dont nerf kara , they must buff mechagon and tazavesh

there is a big diff

yeah 99% nerf , its a fun season

[waxen frigate]

i can't imagine them making anything harder

this season

[brisk sparrow]

we struggle a bit with medivh - which spells should we kick?

[chrome falcon]

^ basically that

always frost, then fire targeting flame wreathe targets, then arcane missiles that you don't have CDs for

if i don't have SW or SR/DS available then I hold my kick for arcane

[brisk sparrow]

i see

[shut summit]

people can avoid getting hit by the fire if you do movement stuff

leap / charge / gate / disengage etc etc

[brisk sparrow]

oh okay

[grave crane]

how fast is the travel time of firebolt frommedivh

[chrome falcon]

uh

kind of fast?

i don't know the exact mph i'm afraid

[shut summit]

yea idk how to answer that

not fast enough to be impossible to dodge but still requires decent-ish timing?

[chrome falcon]

fast enough that you do have to be good to dodge it with charge

[lofty widget]

same speed as 2nd boss in halls' jump ish?

[vernal vale]

Ahh, well doubt I'll be getting a 311 so I'm in the clear there.

[marsh aurora]

How dare you review m+ runs and not know the exact velocity of every projectile in the game smh

Can flame wreath + fire bolt be on the same person?

Never had that happened

Happen*

[shut summit]

yes

hafta kick all that shit then

[uneven wagon]

I really regret gearing my alliance warrior instead of my horde one 😭 i dont wanna go through all that content again dude

should've stayed orc mode

[marsh aurora]

Farm gold and faction swap

[uneven wagon]

[marsh aurora]

So you can embrace the vulpera

[uneven wagon]

i think it'd be quicker to re-gear

[marsh aurora]

Boosts sell for a ton this week

And next week to

[hollow zodiac]

does that make it viable or still shit?

[jagged pier]

if its your highest ilvl shield its great

if its the same ilvl

no

[hollow zodiac]

thanks 👍

[zealous willow]

i just saw tattman

406k abosrd for whole dungeon

but bad dmg

[grave wedge]

Hello. I havent tanked on warrior in a while, Interested in getting back into it with what Im hearing they are in a great place atm and ive because had so much fun on fury thinking of a main swap, anything change in recent patches??

[vernal vale]

Necro keep banner up. Push a fuckload of buttons. Spend rage to gain rage.

Good play is important.

Super rewarding when you play well.

[grave wedge]

So necro over kyrian then time to hit the books im more out of the loop then i thought then

[zealous willow]

actualy the most fun part for me is this season we can use spell reflect

its rly good and fun

[vernal vale]

Necro is by far the best option.

Super tanky and good damage.

[sick sentinel]

i don't know what any of the bosses do in lower kara but im gunna try it out

[zealous willow]

lower kara is hardest dungeon atm

[undone verge]

[sick sentinel]

i'm confused where to go after maiden

[undone verge]

Backtrack and jump off balcony

[sick sentinel]

is it the spectral and phantoms are yellow ghosts you can just walk past

[undone verge]

Idk

[lofty widget]

no

[sick sentinel]

this is what im looking at

[undone verge]

There’s a pat in one of the rooms you’ll prob pull

[shell shale]

is there an updated reflect weak aura?

[undone verge]

Oh I see the pat it’s in the blue pull

After maiden you go back and jump off the balcony near green pull

And that takes you to the banquet hall

[lofty widget]

#ui-addons-manager message

[undone verge]

Around top left

[urban portal]

@undone verge

wp

[dawn canyon]

grimrail?

[urban portal]

heroic hungering destroyer

[dawn canyon]

ah

neat

[urban portal]

getting some alt gearing done rn

i was trying to bring the beam out

and some other fuck moved with me

[undone verge]

tyty

[urban portal]

the guy moved his beam with me

that was so weird

[undone verge]

pugs are something else

[dawn canyon]

ye my log is grey rn since i got beamed twice

[urban portal]

cant dm you back

cuz elvui bug

but im in another group now

[undone verge]

ah gotcha

[undone verge]

I did pretty good at huntsman too

[urban portal]

nice

they need to fix that bug man

i cant link aotc

[undone verge]

yeah the stupid whisper bug is so annoying

[urban portal]

i literally missing inerva and im done for the week

[undone verge]

ill reinvite you to our inerva group

[urban portal]

na

im in a sire group

im good

need sire and inerva

[undone verge]

damn I could use a sire group

[urban portal]

nice banner uptime tho

[undone verge]

tyty

SB uptime is a bit low

[urban portal]

higher than ITF uptime

[undone verge]

lol true I guess ITF doesnt really work since all the melee are stacked far away'

[sick sentinel]

right right i see now

is that fall damage hieght or no. clearly its not fatal + movement abilities

[undone verge]

some I believe

[vernal vale]

Good luck sire pugs are rough. I've been chasing it since Thursday and pugs never last or it's instantly obvious people have no idea and it won't be worth your time.

[sick sentinel]

i didnt want the fomo slime kitty anyways

[dawn canyon]

just do it man

its free

[vestal moat]

Can we survive shared suffering from huntsman alone if we fail to move out

what cds do we need

[undone verge]

depends on the key

13/14 I think its pretty possible with just basic mitigation

but anything higher you might need to commit fleshcraft or SW

[sick sentinel]

how bad could it be....

[hazy edge]

I took one with nothing but avatar and a capped ip and it took me to ~40%

[finite arch]

should I run my 262 haste vers or the new one?

[dawn canyon]

ilvl

for sure

[finite arch]

thx

[south zealot]

😩

[south zealot]

if it gives strength and stam

you usually use the ilvl

in like 99% of situations

[oblique garnet]

@waxen orbit agony

[pallid quiver]

so for someone who's gonna be pressed for time, what's the easy +15 of the season looking to be?

[lofty widget]

jy

[oblique garnet]

Junkyard

[lofty widget]

10-15 minute run

[waxen orbit]

So we're just brothers in torment now

[sick sentinel]

something right after the opera does a stun

doesn't show on mdt

[oblique garnet]

Are you pugging everything?

[waxen orbit]

🙂

Yep.

Agony

[oblique garnet]

X)

You meet all sorts of people doing these

[sick sentinel]

what is the stun after opera its on some trash

[waxen orbit]

You call them people?

[sick sentinel]

like right as you go in

[oblique garnet]

Yes im nice guy

Full pma

[undone verge]

The boss flame circle

[sick sentinel]

i worked that out

its right after him

theres an inspired and some little adds and we pulled it twice, stun locked into death, again on second pull

[undone verge]

Poetry slam

It’s a swirl they cast at their feet

[sick sentinel]

i might attempt again, but probably not

[cinder nova]

Any good timers for the new affix

[mighty valley]

which part are you timing?

[cinder nova]

Yes

[wispy pawn]

Unity slot for M+ focus? What are people perfering, i was going bracers but now with that bracers buff is there an argument to move it to back/neck?

[toxic pewter]

I’m a belt man myself

and reprisal on boots

[wispy pawn]

belt gives more stats then back tho, and neck has no str but i know str isn't on neck so maybe a reason to throw there.

[lofty widget]

neck is best, bracers/cloak 2nd place

[wispy pawn]

what about throns neck from lower kara, shit is dog?

[lofty widget]

nah the effect does next to no dmg atm

[wispy pawn]

and then unity on back?

got ya

ok

[toxic pewter]

why is wowhead still recommending bracers belt and boots

[hollow zodiac]

in a m+ gearing setting, is it correct that we should favor vers over haste considering the affix?

[lofty widget]

no

[cobalt seal]

Never

[hollow zodiac]

like for gems/enchant for example

[lofty widget]

no

[cobalt seal]

Never

[lofty widget]

gems are either crit or haste

crit for dam

[hollow zodiac]

why not vers just by curiosity?

[oblique garnet]

Are you getting oneshot?

If not then no need

[toxic pewter]

gotta go fast

[hollow zodiac]

guess not

kk gotcha, thanks for the replies

[chrome falcon]

just to be clear since no-one specifically said it, you should not be gemming/enching vers because you should 'not be taking vers on the affix

[sonic tangle]

I can't see anything recent with the buff to it, but now that the Mekacycle absorbs 10k now is it worth?

[chrome falcon]

no

1ppm

[sonic tangle]

Got it, I'll hold off upgrading it til I get a good one then kthx

[toxic pewter]

what does 1ppm mean

[chrome falcon]

proc per min

[toxic pewter]

oh procs per min

damn that is a 1 min ppm

that is awful

[drifting juniper]

last boss of grimrail is pure cancer

everyone tries to cheese it now and 80% of the time it doesnt even work

damage of the lightning really needs a nerf

[vernal vale]

Lightning nukes and if people are not using personals and proactively moving then they just die. It's a horrible fight.

[drifting juniper]

people are just trying to cheese it and they give a 5 minute speech on how to stay on rails

and first lightning wipes everyone

i always wondered why blizzard Runs PTr before each patch, its either the people testing or blizzard itself dead in the brain to rlease things like this

[toxic pewter]

Can spell reflect the lightning first hit

Still goes on the ground but the initial dmg hit can be reflected

Yeah the rails are good for ranged perhaps but even then traps can mess them up and spear and stuff

[hollow zodiac]

wait there might be a misunderstanding: I'm obviously taking haste as the bounty, my question was more considering we already have so much haste from the affix is it worth seeking vers as baseline gearing stats

[chrome falcon]

oh gotcha

nah more haste more good

[hollow zodiac]

ok 😄

ty

[drifting juniper]

as a tank i really have no problem with damage there but 10% of boss hp is gone and whole group is dead

[urban portal]

vers is also 1%

its weak

oh wait i see what you mean

and no

haste is multiplicative

so its better the more you have it

[toxic pewter]

Yeah the healer needs to top the group before each lightning

[drifting juniper]

speaking of versa my whole group got versa as stat to survive last boss but still its one shot without defensive

[urban portal]

i mean

7% dr isnt gonna save you

[drifting juniper]

i also think its out of healer hands

[urban portal]

10 at most

[drifting juniper]

it needs a nerf

spirit link, rallying cry, defensives

all of that ry, defensives

all of hat sorted out still at 50 nothing left and boss one shots

[toxic pewter]

Prob will be nerfed many agree it’s a tough encounter

[drifting juniper]

this season is so unbalanced

people have 25 on one key and 16 on another

[toxic pewter]

Ya

Blizzard working on df

Shadowlands is old news

[urban portal]

to be fair

[toxic pewter]

And honestly no one even cares

[urban portal]

yeah

who cares

its a for fun season

[toxic pewter]

this season is fun

I’m actually having more fun than season 3

[drifting juniper]

mythic plus is fun when it doesnt need micromanage

[toxic pewter]

There will prob be some balancing tomorrow

I bet you

[drifting juniper]

so people can gather in pugs and try to time stuff on higher keys

karazhan uper definetly needs a premade group for more than 18,

i just hate that every key you need to assign so many stuff and talk a lot and still something easily goes wrong

[toxic pewter]

I don’t really find myself doing that at all

I just press buttons

[drifting juniper]

depends on level of the key

junkyard is face smash at any level

[lofty widget]

haste is cracked man

[cinder storm]

Really? I've always found myself just telling people the kick order and that I'm only kicking missiles

But medivh damage does shows on healers mana, that's one issue with pugs where they don't really use defs of heal pots

[undone verge]

What was this?

[undone verge]

Missiles slap, usually I say ‘kick frost’ then no one kicks it and in forced to then I have to use a defensive for the middles

[drifting juniper]

on +20 that is a pretty normal key people with 3.7k last season rio don't know how to deal with first boss or on mana devourer even 2 orbs going in is insta wipe

when everyone reaches like 95k hp with 304 gear in 2 months from now all of this is forgotten and the usual suspects start pushing +30 keys and casual players start going from 17 to 21 22 but my point is why blizzard is so weak at starting the seasons

[oblique garnet]

@waxen orbit Could be worse i didnt realize until 40 runs in that im gimping myself by not having arms lootspec on

[drifting juniper]

why when everyone is so excited to play and comeback to the game is where the most problems exist

[pallid quiver]

because people cause the problems

[drifting juniper]

everything will eventually fall in place but some people can and like to push rio with premade groups without massive coordination and it was actually possible in a non distant past

[mild palm]

How does this neck do? Is the proc meaningful at all?

[chrome falcon]

holy fuck lmao which instance

docks?

[chrome falcon]

no it's atrocious

it doesn't scale with ilvl

if they fix that it might be fine

[mild palm]

Does it have an internal CD do you know?

[chrome falcon]

probabaly

i mean the proc doesn't detract from the stat budget

so it's free value

but... yeah 68 damage lol

and don't expect a fix any time soon because it didn't work in legion either

[oblique garnet]

@waxen orbit FREEDOM

[chrome falcon]

he's done it

decided that i'm just gonna wait until weds for when i get it in my vault

rather than farm now

[oblique garnet]

43 workshops

[chrome falcon]

[rocky kraken]

do i swap to AM when i get my 2pc or 4pc?

[chrome falcon]

you swap to AM at the start of 9.1

or even earlier

so... now

[lusty tiger]

Having trouble charge weaving in dungeons like grimrail with low caster count and tight corridors pls help my banner time has been so cringe

[chrome falcon]

almost every mob in grimrail casts what do you mean

every dreadlord casts

gunners cast

boomers cast

cinderseers definitely cast

[lusty tiger]

I think I’m just not used to which ones cast as u can see

[chrome falcon]

bosses are all super free for charges

[lusty tiger]

That is tru

[chrome falcon]

everything that isn't a regular melee dude casts

[waxen orbit]

Share bro please

Give me a crumb of your luck

[hazy edge]

"luck"

he ran it 43 times

[oblique garnet]

You know i got it on 3rd run when i changed my lootspec to arms

[hazy edge]

smh my head

[chrome falcon]

43 is pretty nuts

[hazy edge]

imagine not always being arms loot spec

[chrome falcon]

FCM took me like 45 but that place has like twice the loot table size

[oblique garnet]

I had it on since i was farming shield

[hazy edge]

fair

[waxen orbit]

I’m at 26 runs, I don’t wanna run it another 17

I need the man’s blessing

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BMqNDPc8GxQathZA#fight=26&type=casts&source=1

I had 4 intervenes… that is really bad but is that actually gonna make me have 35% banner uptime lol

[hazy edge]

yes

[waxen orbit]

Yes

[lusty tiger]

Sheet

Ah alright I have my work cutout for me

[sand pebble]

is the buff live for workshop bracers?

[chrome falcon]

2 LS casts outside of banner

[oblique garnet]

🙏 Gl brother

[lusty tiger]

Giga RIP

[chrome falcon]

quite low rage wasted surprisingly

[lusty tiger]

Yea I had like no rage

[chrome falcon]

but probably because your rage generated is so low

[chrome falcon]

are you hiding from the dog's flame jets

because you don't need to do that

that's coward shit

[lusty tiger]

I don’t even get a dam dispel w pugs lol

But ya

I’m trying to get the spot on the box too for melee to hit while hiding

[chrome falcon]

every boss is free reprisal procs in that instance

[lusty tiger]

I know it’s in the short side (rectangle box)

[chrome falcon]

why does no-one know

that you can go upgrade all your conduits to 278

go upgrades your conduits my guy!

[hazy edge]

you missed 40ish intervenes which is like 800 rage, 160 sec of SB, 40 Revenge! procs each which could reset SS. Chargeing/interveneing is very very important right now

[chrome falcon]

missed at least 20 charges also

which is the same lost rage

very very easy instance for reprisal workshop

every single pack it's super easy they all stun themselves to cast

just need to remember to do it

[lusty tiger]

R u srs about staying in on the dog tho

[chrome falcon]

sure

as long as you have stuff

you can SW every other time

[grand locust]

wait do you really not need to hide on dog flame???

[chrome falcon]

and as long as you have rage gen you can IP after every tick

y'all are cowards

[hazy edge]

You def can stay out

[chrome falcon]

you should have at least limit tested to try it out by now cmon now lads

[grand locust]

im happy to facetank that, just never occured ot me to do it

[lusty tiger]

Me likey banner I’ll try more

[hazy edge]

probably not in like a 24 or something, but you def can stay out on a 15-18

[chrome falcon]

you have SW+SR+a million IP casts

i had no problems staying out on 20

ok well i won't say no problems

[lusty tiger]

Yeah I tried a bit going early or leaving late

[chrome falcon]

the one i tried to soak without DS or SW i had to fleshcraft

[sand pebble]

wait i dont have to hide on dog? awesome

[lusty tiger]

But also having groups I don’t get dispelled

[chrome falcon]

i mean make sure you have rage and CDs

but yeah just demo shout + 2 rep procs is like

4 IPs

[lusty tiger]

Xymox was rough btw

Never killed him

Kinda funny watching some raiders need pvp kite rotation for ghosts by the look of it

My banner uptime was ass while raiding I was too nervous to peel off and charge in case there was something I needed to do

I guess I’ll get some redemption in SOD

[chrome falcon]

[sand drum]

I know ilvl is prio but is fusion hack form JY rly that good to lose offstats ? siming myself rn

[hazy edge]

It's a bit ahead of an equal ilvl normal weapon on ST, it loses in aoe

[sand drum]

got 278 wep from last season so 🤷‍♂️ I guess Ilvl wins

[oblique garnet]

What does it cost

[warm plinth]

Frankly it's not worth it when you can get 278s from keys

[warm plinth]

10k flux

[oblique garnet]

Where

[hazy edge]

oribos quartermasters iirc

or the quartermaster in haven

[oblique garnet]

Its definitely not haven one

[hazy edge]

then probably the oribos ones

[oblique garnet]

[serene haven]

What are the best Tank trinkets for prot warrior?

[south zealot]

this trinket is bad right

like disgustingly bad right

[south zealot]

shard of annhyldes aegis or reactive defense matrix

[hazy edge]

ows + rdm or aegis for defense or ows + fusion amp for dam

[south zealot]

make sure u have old warrior soul tho

you want old warrior soul

[marsh aurora]

Remote guidance device is bis just for its animation

[warm plinth]

Yes, top 3 worst tank trinkets from the last few expansions

[grave crane]

Holy shit 4 stacks of 91 armor? That’s like 364 armor dude. Is that even 1% mitigation?

Or is it just 91 armor that falls off when all 4 stacks fall off?

[toxic pewter]

I asked before but thoughts on this trinket?

[sand pebble]

first sigil > that

[toxic pewter]

true

is it better than 272 soleah or 278 scale

[sand pebble]

doubt it

maint stat is always better

[toxic pewter]

yes I agree

It does give 20% dmg/10% dr

when i use it

but I also lose str... so weaker than those numbers in reality

[cursive bridge]

My 272 scale is hanging out until I get an aegis or ows

[sand pebble]

ik meming low keys with

[cursive bridge]

How are those after the “buff” still not worth it?

[sand pebble]

1.4% of my dam in a 6 streets