You use LS on cool-down for damage
#protection
chrome falcon
zinc shale
Depends on build
sick sentinel
casts but yeah clicks works i guess its the per minute idea break your wrist spec is what we are getting at
chrome falcon
You use spell reflect whenever you’re taking magic damage
chrome falcon
*Depends on build*
You should be playing BV at this point
timid notch
bv?
zinc shale
Should Isnt a word used in this game
zinc shale
DEpends is the word you want
chrome falcon
So really the only cool-down you’re saving for damage is shield wall
Ok great cool whatever
BV is the better talent so it depends on how useful you want to be
zinc shale
Almost all cds can be popped all the time since they are reduced by rage use
chrome falcon
Especially in raiding which is what this guy mentioned
Literally only one of our defensive CDs is reduced by rage use
zinc shale
@chrome falcon and your rio is?
chrome falcon
We’re talking about raiding
zinc shale
Where it essentially only matters to the 1%
chrome falcon
Where I’ve been top 10-50’on this class for the last 3 expansions
So if you’d let me finish a point so I can help this guy
That’s
Going to be helpful
zinc shale
Look, you're not the 1%, so theres no need to go into it like the 1%
chrome falcon
Dude what the fuck are you talking about
sick sentinel
do i have to kill all bosses of all 3 raids on normal in 1 2 3 weeks for slime cat?
sick sentinel
like, every single boss of the raid
chrome falcon
And your response is… “well you don’t actually have to be optimal”
Like, politely, please fuck off
zinc shale
Yes and you're sitting here saying THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO PICK. When ESPECIALLY in raiding, it doesnt really matter
Raiding can be tanked by a turtle pet
Doesnt fucking matter
sick sentinel
cuz i might be able to cheat my way through normal mode on a mage if i can just funnel vision get carried a little bit, not like buy carry but just join good group
lofty widget
Yes and you're sitting here saying THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO PICK. When ESPECIALL...
he's asking to be optimal
chrome falcon
Ok I’m just blocking you so I can actually talk to the guy who was asking for help which is what this discord is for
zinc shale
Yeah lets see your DF experience
sick sentinel
i got into a guilde who carried me through heroic EP and glory EP
then they said, your a clown plz leave
chrome falcon
Gimme 2 mins and I’ll respond to this longform
sick sentinel
good times
jagged pier
skill floor and ceiling for prot is far higher than VDH and brew
jagged pier
and probably will stay the same in DF
chrome falcon
And there’s less thought in CDs than you think
jagged pier
with the current tree we have
chrome falcon
Because you pop most of them on cool-down for rage and damage
sick sentinel
wind monk movement with NF flicker is overkill and overkil and a half again
billion ways to move with that set up, have to look into whats the best leggos for wind later
might be good for halandrous
undone verge
idk if id say the skill ceiling is very high, I feel like high level prot isnt too hard, but then again I havnt really played high level at any of the other tanks, mostly just 15s and some heroic raid, but definitely being 'decent/good' at prot warrior is a lot harder than some of the other tanks like VDH or BDK
or bear
topaz field
i can guarantee u that the skill ceiling of prot is by far the highest
chrome falcon
^
topaz field
and im playing all tanks except for the orange one
chrome falcon
It’s not like the hardest class to ever exist
dusk loom
Are you saying SL prot?
chrome falcon
But 80-90cpm is a lot
undone verge
im not sating its not the highest, but I dont think its very hard
jagged pier
But 80-90cpm is a lot
100 nowadays
sick sentinel
if i could change one thing about monk it would have to be that you cannot yeeted your self off ledges any more with roll/torpedo
lofty widget
probably cause youre used to it
dusk loom
Bfa wasn’t that bad don’t you think?
chrome falcon
BFA prot was a joke obviously
dusk loom
Oh way more than bear etc
topaz field
well the fact that u can get infinite benefit from pressing more buttons makes the skill ceiling higher than any other tank
dusk loom
But yeah bfa prot was a joke
dusk loom
I could see a mid ground in df
strong forum
Df is highly speculative
silk pine
100 nowadays
100 is to high. probably at the end of a key but in raid never 100 cpm
dusk loom
You don’t have the bolster ls interaction but you have a few more defensive buttons
lofty widget
100 is to high. probably at the end of a key but in raid never 100 cpm
depends onthe boss really
chrome falcon
100 is to high. probably at the end of a key but in raid never 100 cpm
Fated affixes can definitely lead to cpm 100
jagged pier
100 is to high. probably at the end of a key but in raid never 100 cpm
nome literally has raid log with 100CPM
dusk loom
Oh for sure speculative at this point but he is considering for next xpac so
lofty widget
inverva is a 100 cpm fight
strong forum
But currently it looks easier than SL simply for the fact that reprisal doesn't exist, but proper CD management will be the "true test"
chrome falcon
The fated affix is kinda cheating
jagged pier
But currently it looks easier than SL simply for the fact that reprisal doesn't ...
ppl gunna struggle with that
silk pine
nome literally has raid log with 100CPM
Ok with the toy or without😂
chrome falcon
So yeah the class doesn’t technically require 100cpm
strong forum
Ok with the toy or without😂
Without
jagged pier
Ok with the toy or without😂
without
dusk loom
The main difference I have found is you are really running two concurrent rotations
dusk loom
Offensive and defensive
strong forum
Yah fated affix is a bit cheating but still
lofty widget
more like on-gcd and off-gcd
dusk loom
Sure either way
strong forum
Lol wann see that can u send that?
dusk loom
You are worried about keeping the defensives up without gaps unless you have downtime and doing dam
undone verge
I mostly just run an offensive rotation and SB and IP uptime cover themselves
sick sentinel
But currently it looks easier than SL simply for the fact that reprisal doesn't ...
i understand about how you are supposed to use the fort brew and then spam purifying and other shit to empower expel harm, and tiger palm to reduce the tea cd now
chrome falcon
But actually the most important point is that you shouldn’t really let you guild tell you what tank to play
Unless you really don’t mind doing it obviously
sick sentinel
brew kinda fun, but i don't like the "pummel" brew has, short range
has leg sweep that makes this alot better but
undone verge
You are worried about keeping the defensives up without gaps unless you have dow...
most of prot warrior playstyle right now is based around banner uptime and the way you do that is by spending rage, mostly rage dumping into IP when you are close to capping, and generating rage through abilities like demo shout, charge, intervene, the ladder 2 which generate a charge of shield block, along with the 2 charges you have baseline, or 1 if you dont take DT, you can passively maintain pretty solid uptime on both IP and SB
dusk loom
I guess vdk is kinda similar in that you want to keep your active mitigation up through not overlapping spikes fel dev or meta. But you also have a design decision for more mitigation downtime that is helped via better self sustain and kiting with the better mobility kit
sick sentinel
there are parts i love about brew love such as paralyze i think its called
but parts that remind me of the shit parts about pwar
undone verge
brew is prob one of my least fav tanks
offensively its fun so I might like WW if I tried it, but defensively theres just something about it
sick sentinel
i didn't try it in anything remotely challenging
topaz field
there are parts i love about brew love such as paralyze i think its called
i would break my left hand in order to get para its 30 sec Cd which is totally broken
undone verge
I think it might be purifying/celestial brew, its just meh
in terms of how it feels to use
dusk loom
most of prot warrior playstyle right now is based around banner uptime and the w...
I hear what you are saying but reprisal is sort of what drove me away from prot a little hear so on a patch or two sub break. Seems similar just the fact the screwed mitigation uptime so had to bandaid it through giving uptime via intervene and charge which is dumb imo but that’s neither here nor there
lofty widget
definitely dumb to tie defensives to it
dont mind getting a bigger offensive benefit from charge weaving tho
silk pine
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/whb3PrqvazAMQBZ7#fight=18&type=casts
Lol that is alot of haste.the only thing I dont understand is Intervene 3 diffrent casts, but everything Looking crazy, evenwithout ows!
timid notch
@chrome falcon I love tanking, and I am a big m+ runner 3.1k IO. So I don’t mind trying other classes, but the CPM makes it harder to focus on the the rest of the group. Raids are usually far easier, but I want m+ and I know that have been rated the worse at m+ this expansion (deserved or not)
dusk loom
Yeah at least so far the future looks promising based on design direction. But yeah movement tied to defensives is dumb for warrior
undone verge
I like the aspect of being able to maintain 100% on SB, but its just annoying
especially when the other tank doesnt taunt and im rage starved
strong forum
Lol that is alot of haste.the only thing I dont understand is Intervene 3 diffre...
3 spell IDs going on, it always looks like that
undone verge
and dropping SB
chrome falcon
<@144555238567706624> I love tanking, and I am a big m+ runner 3.1k IO. So I d...
we were probably worst at m+ in 9.0 but we're much stronger since then
the CPM you can get used to, i think, but with this little left on the expansion for m+ i dunno if it's 100% worth your time
dusk loom
I don’t think we need to be able to maintain 100% though we have so many other defensives to stop gap. It makes the gameplay more interesting for cd usage
undone verge
the CPM honestly gets annoying getting like cramps in my hand mid keys
silk pine
3 spell IDs going on, it always looks like that
Ah ok so its 1 cast?
chrome falcon
it's very unlikely that we'll have this CPM going into dragonflight
undone verge
I don’t think we need to be able to maintain 100% though we have so many other d...
we dont need 100% but its nice to have it
usually I hover around 80-90%
chrome falcon
and yeah raiding as pwarr is 100x easier than m+ because proccing reprisal is so free
strong forum
Ah ok so its 1 cast?
Ye, the higher 2 with the same count are the actual casts
severe portal
Is old warriors soul and aegis on normal/ hc better than trinkets from m+ ? Like soleah or Codex from season 4?
chrome falcon
yes
jagged pier
yes
strong forum
Yes
undone verge
absolutely 100%
silk pine
I get like 85-90 cpm but I have also like 1.2k haste
chrome falcon
OWS and aegis from 9.1 are better than soleah and codex from season 4
undone verge
I sold my codex for the 40 gold its worth
chrome falcon
(ok this is an overstatement but its close)
but yes codex is and has always been vendor trash
lofty widget
its prob true for mythic ilvl
dusk loom
What do you think our apm was in bfa? 75-80 in a m+?
silk pine
timid notch
Can anyone on aloha comment on the prot war design to not be as frentic?
chrome falcon
there's less rage generation so you don't need to spam IP as much
strong forum
What do you think our apm was in bfa? 75-80 in a m+?
Ye roughly
dusk loom
Yup so prob similar to bfa going forward but we can likely gen more rage for more ip spam if it is worth it and needed otherwise we dump into revenge
jagged pier
there's less rage generation so you don't need to spam IP as much
have u not seen how bloodsurge is interacting right now?
if its not fixed
undone verge
isnt it bugged or something
jagged pier
we will have more
chrome falcon
i was told by people in the alpha channel is roughly 0.5 per target per second
so i'm not really counting bugs as something that will move forward into alpha
considering revenge was literally instantly killing the entire dungeon for a while there
minor helm
They should keep that in
minor helm
silk pine
I think at start the cpm will be lower but at the end higher
chrome falcon
tier will presumably add cpm
dusk loom
Or strengthen certain interactions
chrome falcon
but ultimately the fact that we don't have to use charge and intervene on CD just to survive
dusk loom
Prot already looks to have great synergy
chrome falcon
means we will probably be less frantic
undone verge
prot already looks like it might actually be super fun
which is pretty much all I care about
dusk loom
Yeah part of high apm is that it is very engaging
undone verge
revenge just isnt a satisfying button to press imo, glad TC is becoming super good again
dusk loom
Hard agree easily the most fun tank imo having played all of them to varying levels
chrome falcon
TC also isn't a satisfying button to press though
chrome falcon
if you play with sound on maybe
dusk loom
I guess with sl tuning tc is less so
dusk loom
Yeah I think it is good revenge hits harder now and is worth pressing if you have excess rage
undone verge
idk I like not having to spend rage on revenge. Much rather have it for IP and SB, and rend now in DF
silk pine
and makeing 1 of our spenders useless to press
Is it really useless with bsc and seismic in aoe?
jagged pier
Is it really useless with bsc and seismic in aoe?
well as u dont take bsc
strong forum
TC will still hit harder
jagged pier
and TC hits harder
strong forum
And will have higher prio
jagged pier
u wont press revenge in avatar at all
dusk loom
At least both of the buttons feel better than thrash and swipe
silk pine
Even without Avatar?
chrome falcon
without avatar tc will always > revenge because it generates
undone verge
and spreads rend
strong forum
Won't hit harder without avatar, then revenge will hit harder, but you'll still prio TC cuz rend and TL
chrome falcon
and yeah TLD good
bring DS back off gcd i beg you blizz
i will literally trade spell block for DS off the GCD
undone verge
DS off the gcd would literally feel soooo good
timid notch
DS?
silk pine
Ok so clapping the shit out of adds
undone verge
Demo shout
dusk loom
You think dbts ( un nerfed) is a offensive cd for free revenge procs?
undone verge
I want a really dumb build where we dont use a shield and base our rotation around parry procs of revenge, but there isnt enough on the tree to do that
oblique garnet
bring DS back off gcd i beg you blizz
When was it off GCD
silk pine
So prio right now in df is = ss《 tc《 revenge out of execute and rend etc
brittle vine
so i'm attempting to get my ilvl up throu mythics, is it worth losing the 4 set bonus for a bit for the higher ilvl?
chrome falcon
no
undone verge
set>ilevel
strong forum
Nah not rly
brittle vine
so wait till i can get them to max ilvl then change the item to set?
undone verge
he might be low on Cosmic flux
brittle vine
i have 55k flux am all good for it lol
chrome falcon
yeah just convert now then
brittle vine
roger that 🙂
am not a great warrior tank so i will more than likely ask an annoying amount of things, sorry in advance
vernal vale
It's a big help
brittle vine
from what i've read on here, i'm with the wrong covenant (kyrian) and should change (necro?)
chrome falcon
yes
undone verge
kyrian is easier but does less damage, necro is harder but does more damage
undone verge
in the end its personal choice as long as you arent doing high end content kyrian is fine, but necro is definitely the better covenant
chrome falcon
stronger things are easier than weaker things
undone verge
kyrian is definitely easier
undone verge
necro requires you to play well
undone verge
if you are doing high end 22+ mythic raiding content yeah
which is why I said unless you're doing high content
minor helm
But a bad players 14 isn’t any easier than a good players 25
Why’s everyone arguing over what’s the optimal thing today?
brittle vine
ah ok, i've got The Wall on my back and unity on belt, i've not had survivability issuses (that i've noticed) i'm one of the main tanks in my guild and we normally do HC raids
topaz field
u thinking kyrian would be easier results from a wrong understanding
topaz field
because u dont understand how the class should be played
chrome falcon
the wall is garbage in comparison
brittle vine
why is that?
chrome falcon
uh
because blocking hits is your single most important metric
and reprisal lets you do that
reprisal also generates far more rage
and a revenge proc
it's stronger in every scenario
jagged pier
reprisal also generates far more rage
well its not much more rage its nearly the same
undone verge
because u dont understand how the class should be played
im not saying kyrian is easier because of how the class should be played, im saying kyrian is the brain off covenant for prot warrior. You dont need to play well or the right way to good at kyrian. At the end of the day someone who drops banner after 25 seconds is going to do more damage and prob have more rage from playing kyrian
chrome falcon
sure if you're absolutely fucking terrible at the class kyrian might be better
topaz field
im not saying kyrian is easier because of how the class should be played, im say...
that is such a wrong take... if you think ppl cannot improve then u should consider that they throw half their spears into nothing
chrome falcon
he didn't say that
jagged pier
if your terrible and you dont want to improve its better u play brew tbh
chrome falcon
but jakey
jagged pier
i mean its an honest opinion
jagged pier
no
brittle vine
oh ok, i thought the wall was good because shield slam generates more rage and reduces shield wall by 5 seconds coupled with anger management talent was good with Punish too
vernal vale
I mean I know a paladin that should take that advice and reroll brew
brittle vine
yeah, there is bonus damage and reduces damage i take
vernal vale
yeah, there is bonus damage and reduces damage i take
Oof
brittle vine
jagged pier
you've played punish
undone verge
that is such a wrong take... if you think ppl cannot improve then u should consi...
definitely not what I said, I played kyrian for about a month in S3 before I swapped to necro so I could learn prot again, easily did 11-12k in keys and the was much easier to learn the rotation. Once I got the core rotation down I swapped to necro
jagged pier
its not good at all
brittle vine
you've played punish
did i punish myself?
jagged pier
pretty much yer
vernal vale
Made yourself much weaker
strong forum
Punish is less dmg and less rage than devastator
chrome falcon
this is a colossal oof i'm afraid
don't mind helping but if you're running the wrong covenant, legendaries and talents i would advise just checking a basic guide for the spec first
vernal vale
Go look at some of the logs for what the better warriors are running. Copy the talents for a start. @brittle vine
brittle vine
i was looking on icyveins that said about the wall being good and looked at the talents, seemed odd to lose a move
vernal vale
No room for devestate in our button pushes
chrome falcon
you're not losing a move
you're just making it so that move gets auto cast every 1.5 seconds
brittle vine
iw
vernal vale
It becomes passive with the auto
chrome falcon
instead of pressing it yourself
brittle vine
ow*
brittle vine
Go look at some of the logs for what the better warriors are running. Copy the t...
is that in log-review <------
undone verge
log review is for ppl to review other logs
lofty widget
this is what you wanna run in m+
vernal vale
is that in log-review <------
Guides should be right as well.
undone verge
I phrased that wrong, like for ppl to post their logs for ppl to critique
brittle vine
this is what you wanna run in m+
only 1 wrong then
brittle vine
what site is that on?
dawn canyon
Warcraftlogs
undone verge
Warcraftlogs
brittle vine
thanks
silk pine
this is what you wanna run in m+
I personally like to take into the fray instead of ravager
lofty widget
not in m+
rav is more dmg and rage
itf is for raiding where you can maintain 5 stacks all the time
silk pine
itf is for raiding where you can maintain 5 stacks all the time
Most of the time u can keep 5 stacks in M+ aswell. U are still right still I like to run around with 70-80 % haste at the end of the key
vernal vale
Most of the time u can keep 5 stacks in M+ aswell. U are still right still I lik...
Ravager is also really good snap threat on big pulls like murlocs at the start of gambit
chrome falcon
i wouldn't call ravager snap threat considering it does 0 damage when you play it
but yeah
good dam
desert solstice
You would run booming voice over Best Served Cold?
lofty widget
yes
undone verge
also the rage you get is gives so much mitigation at the start of pulls
lofty widget
easier banner and more ST
desert solstice
Ahh that makes sense
lofty widget
you could run bsc tho
chrome falcon
ravager turns banner uptime from easy into a total joke
it's a very marginal call though
waxen frigate
if your terrible and you dont want to improve its better u play brew tbh
hol up
chrome falcon
they're extremely close in raw damage
silk pine
Ravager is also really good snap threat on big pulls like murlocs at the start o...
Yeah thats true.I Played this last season 100% of the time. But right now I dont have any threat snap problems. Overall ravager is stronger
desert solstice
What is y’all’s IO scores right now?
I’m sitting at 1530
Tanked a 17 gambit lastnight with ease
lofty widget
ATM
zealous willow
why when i put
chrome falcon
because trinkies
lofty widget
oh yeah
jagged pier
its fortifed next week
zealous willow
higher item level head my block dmg % is red by 0.60%?
urban bane
fortified spear throw in iron docks 
lofty widget
btw, is it true that if i cleared HC nathria and 2 bosses on mythic i have a chance at mythic danny loot in vault?
topaz field
looking forward to see all the boosted dk reroller struggling with sanguine again
strong forum
btw, is it true that if i cleared HC nathria and 2 bosses on mythic i have a cha...
Only if you killed mythic danny
chrome falcon
in theory you should only get loot from bosses you killed
thats what blizz said
but honestly who knows
urban bane
fortified coin toss lower karazhan 😭
topaz field
i still dont understand this ability
strong forum
Nobody does
topaz field
do they do it as autoattacks?
jagged pier
coin toss used to fuck in legion
silk pine
I think its an instant cast?
jagged pier
its gunna fuck next week
chrome falcon
we dont understand it and yet
it's so simple
it's just a giant phys nuke you can't do anything about
topaz field
i dont even know if i can stun it :D:D because some funny clown thought learning new dungeons is good on inspired
vernal vale
your dps die before you do
Dps are what have caused my failed runs.
zealous willow
i had a 236 head i replaced it with 285 head and my blocked dmg from 28.30% droped to 27.60% why ?
silk pine
i had a 236 head i replaced it with 285 head and my blocked dmg from 28.30% drop...
Mastery
zealous willow
its same stats
undone verge
Lower kara took me like 4 days to time anything above a 10 because every group I got into had super low dps who had no clue how to do the dungeon
zealous willow
tier set
urban bane
48k coin toss. Capitalism too potent tbh
vernal vale
Lower kara took me like 4 days to time anything above a 10 because every group I...
Thr reason both my Kara runs are so low.
zealous willow
yeah but losing like 0.50% dmg red for upgrading item is strange
vernal vale
My current key is an 18GRD and I have no intention of doing it.
chrome falcon
GRD is crazy easy
zealous willow
is this some blizard way to balance warrior
chrome falcon
only 2 packs that can actually kill you
undone verge
did you guys get the WA for huntsman yet?
vernal vale
Next week it's even more a dead key with sanguine.
strong forum
48k coin toss. Capitalism too potent tbh
It's cuz of the inflation
chrome falcon
NO SHOT NEXT WEEK IS SANGUINE
undone verge
Next week it's even more a dead key with sanguine.
is it confirmed sanguine? I thought that was just the prediction
chrome falcon
LMAO
they really went quaking into sanguine
someone at blizz wants to punish train voters
topaz field
ofc
vernal vale
only 2 packs that can actually kill you
I'm not worried about myself it's the dps dying to everything
chrome falcon
good for them
undone verge
Grimrail 👀
lofty widget
i voted train
undone verge
boo
chrome falcon
lofty widget
and i dont regret it
zealous willow
next week train is not a dungeon for me
silk pine
Wait how do you know its sanguine
strong forum
The rotation doesn't change
zealous willow
its sanguine / explosive / forti
strong forum
It's sanguine grievous next week
silk pine
Oh ok
vernal vale
Wait how do you know its sanguine
They didn't change the rotation this season
zealous willow
oh greevius y
vernal vale
Also RIP
strong forum
Is fine, it's fort
chrome falcon
at least it's fort
zealous willow
greevius moroes dot
strong forum
I'm more annoyed by sanguine
chrome falcon
is there a grievous tyr anymore
lofty widget
nah
vernal vale
People still don't stop moving for flame wreath
lofty widget
at least dont think so
undone verge
Time to swap to kyrian for next week so I can root all the mobs in sanguine
vernal vale
Even when you mention it at the start of the run.
chrome falcon
i think sanguine is actually fine in grimrail for most of the train
but the car with 3 packs
i literally cannot imagine how you do that
undone verge
i literally cannot imagine how you do that
kite back constantly?
chrome falcon
you have to kite pack as they die then run through 6 puddles to reach next pack?
lofty widget
kite first pack into the previous cr
chrome falcon
yeah
lofty widget
then 2nd pack where you pulled first pack etc
undone verge
cant wait for dps to ass pull the other two groups while im fighting one of them
strong forum
Throwback to the sanguine DoS where we had 26mil sanguine healing
lofty widget
nah you just stand in that middle section
strong forum
chrome falcon
dude
lofty widget
so youre always ahead of sanguine
chrome falcon
have any of you guys had this shit
in grimrail
where one mob will just run ahead
and pull THE ENTIRE TRAIN AT ONCE
lofty widget
yeh the big guy
chrome falcon
i had a mob knock my huge tauren ass into a wall
vernal vale
No but I've had range ahoot shit and pull it
chrome falcon
and for some reason the mobs got their pathing super confused
and literally sprinted ahead
and ninja'd the entire train
including the 2nd boss
vernal vale
Oof
oblique garnet
noshot its sanguine
chrome falcon
(this has happened 3 times)
desert solstice
What’s the best way to mitigate shrapnel blast cause it freaking melts me
jagged pier
move out of it
mental owl
Same
jagged pier
it casts at where u are when the cast starts
desert solstice
I feel like an idiot. So is it a cone/frontal?
chrome falcon
yes
desert solstice
Holy shit I’m an idiot
lofty widget
stay in for the reflect 
desert solstice
Literally can’t see shit so never tried it😂😂😂
chrome falcon
dw you're not the only one who afks in it and dies
vernal vale
Ha
mental owl
jagged pier
best way to deal with it stand with your back to the wall
mental owl
Super easy grimrail
jagged pier
side step
vernal vale
I was gonna say it's me being washed up as I still haven't killed heroic sire this week.
jagged pier
move back
mental owl
I love grimrail
desert solstice
I almost 2 chested a 15
vernal vale
My raid team had 8 new people who didnt play nathria so it was prog fight. Now pugging sire is going horribly.
I feel like a total scrub.
That being said its always dps not soaking or ignoring the emmiter in pugs that causes the wipe.
undone verge
we wiped 3 times on Hungering because the healers didnt know they had to heal the add after we break the shield
south zealot
yes i have rings, i was like 80% queueinf witha. priest healert of mine and like 60% queueing with a warlock
so it was free
chrome falcon
we wiped 3 times on Hungering because the healers didnt know they had to heal th...
uh that's not really how that mechanic works
everyone has to break the same shield
healers just contribute to breaking the shield by healing
technically healers could do literally nothing and dps could just carry the whole mechanic
but definitely a healer fuck up if it's not going down
undone verge
I should have prob included dps too, but yeah no one was doing the shield at all
I forgot theres only 1 add
undone verge
makes sense
other than that we struggled a lil bit with council
sludge went down after 2 pulls
SLG after 2 and sire like 10 or so
zealous willow
is there some trick for the big demon guy with the swords before shade of medvih ?
south zealot
honestly
i think if you tank in the hallway
and dps are on the ground with the fire
he doesn’t charge
atleast that’s happened in one of my keys
undone verge
idk if it works in the hallway but I know he can still jump to ppl on the ledge then itll bug out and he starts evading
vernal vale
SLG after 2 and sire like 10 or so
Our worst was KT because no one understood the affix Tuesday. Had like 5 wipes.
minor helm
idk if it works in the hallway but I know he can still jump to ppl on the ledge ...
If everyone gets into the room he won’t reset on his jump
undone verge
Kt we wiped on once
minor helm
Sometimes he glitches and doesn’t jump at all
brittle vine
does it matter what slot i put Unity in? i've got it in belt atm but i'm seeing it in loads of places
sick sentinel
i wonder if i should run fury as DW for raid
cuz i have 2, 278 weapons in bag
and 252 and 246 2h
south zealot
does it matter what slot i put Unity in? i've got it in belt atm but i'm seeing ...
belt cloak neck ring bracers are all fine iirc
undone verge
I think we wanna avoid rings because of the mechagon ring, and the fact that leggos are becoming our lowest ilvl peaces
I put mine on cloak
brittle vine
ok, shall i stick with haste versa (am making reprisal)
south zealot
oh yeah not rings
south zealot
ok, shall i stick with haste versa (am making reprisal)
yeah
brittle vine
the real test will be if i can learn to use necro stuff and get max renown before my guild raids tomorrow
jagged pier
the real test will be if i can learn to use necro stuff and get max renown befor...
well u can buy what is it 60 renown
astral crest
It says: to keep a good or close to 100% uptime you need to be aggressive and have powerful wrists
Wrists ??
jagged pier
u be pressing buttons a lot
astral crest
As in tapping the fuck out of your keyboard to use rage
jagged pier
thats what it means
astral crest
Oof
undone verge
It says: to keep a good or close to 100% uptime you need to be aggressive and ha...
the cramps are real
astral crest
Lol
jagged pier
more like 100
astral crest
It said necro over Korean for m+
undone verge
yes
jagged pier
yes
astral crest
But Korea still shines in nerot8c weeks ??
chrome falcon
no
necrotic is an easy affix
just kite back for 2seconds and it resets
necro for all content
astral crest
True
vernal vale
Necrotic with its nerf is a non affix
undone verge
could u imagine inspiring necrotic
vernal vale
It so short
undone verge
fortified
jagged pier
necrotic was a non affix to begin with
astral crest
I'm forced to play tank again because as sps with low rio I'm not getting into anything lol
Rip for being social atm
Do u guys use a intervene macro ?
An*
astral crest
I still gotta get that legendary crafted
undone verge
ive been thinking of making one to intervene the other tank but I usually do the bad way and click on someone to intervene
astral crest
Yeh was thinking about that
astral crest
ive been thinking of making one to intervene the other tank but I usually do the...
Yeh I click now too lol
undone verge
its a habbit at this point
astral crest
I intervened the healer to get away because jump etc on cd
And I got hit in the back and nearly died
Gotta be careful with that it seems ?
undone verge
cant block if its not in front of you
astral crest
Maybe a silly question
undone verge
if I intervene a range by accident or whatever I usually spam charge to go back in
astral crest
But shield block gives over 100 percent block change with your passive block
That means no melee can hit u ?
astral crest
Ah like.that
undone verge
I want to say no, but I dont really read up on that
astral crest
So reduced damage ?
undone verge
I believe so but dont quote me
astral crest
Haven't really paid attention to that
strong forum
block = dmg reduction
undone verge
block attack, have IP up 55% of the unblocked dmg is mitigated, throw in a SW and another 50% of the 55% of the block is mitigated
hell why not throw out demo shout too and 25% of the 50% of the 55% of the blocked hit is reduced
hell why not just fleshcraft and spend rage on execute
astral crest
And critical block is double the migitation
Allright
Now I just gotta fix my tanking leggo
And try to get my 12 m+ to atheist a 14
Atleast*
The new dungeons make even the 280s ilvl from last season have trouble with tactics
😫
mortal brook
Guys what kind of frame would you call the frame part of a conq banner? It's some weird ass T shape with an overhang?
There's probably some proper word for the shape
uneven wagon
Isn't it kinda like a cross
minor helm
Think it’s closer to a capital T than a lowercase one
mortal brook
With the crossbar doing a weird overhang thing
oblique garnet
Guys what kind of frame would you call the frame part of a conq banner? It's som...
Shaft
mortal brook
Nono a spear of bastion is a shaft
Which tbh is half a banner
Just missing the flag part
uneven wagon
Why can't we use emotes from other servers here
undone verge
I think you need nitro to do that
mortal brook
:happybear:
uneven wagon
I have nitro
lofty widget
those are the rules
jagged pier
they arent dumb
mortal brook
Followup, why does the icon for conq banner actually have a proper stick and flag where actual conq banner is that weird ass frame shape
lofty widget
its a guy holding a banner isnt it?
mortal brook
lofty widget
above his head
uneven wagon
The server would fall in complete disarray if people could use their funny cat emotes here
minor helm
That’s a flag
lofty widget
like a skeleton guy
minor helm
Banner is not a flag
lofty widget
uneven wagon
What's the difference
minor helm
Banner hangs down
oblique garnet
flags are tall
minor helm
Flags are meant to blow in the wind
undone verge
conquerors flag doesnt have that ring to it
minor helm
True
mortal brook
This is why banners belong on ground
lofty widget
a banner can be a flag but a flag cant be a banner
mortal brook
That's not very inclusive of banners
uneven wagon
What if he's just holding a banner sideways in the image
minor helm
It probably is but still
mortal brook
The conq banner frame is stupid shapped, Maybe his stick is meant to be horizontal so the banner can hang down like it is
And now it's a banner and not a flag
sleek trout
🔪
oblique garnet
By definition, a banner is a painted piece of cloth with lettering, signs or symbols and then attached directly to a flagpole.
On the contrary, a flag is always attached indirectly. It is done by means of a rope. It has the advantage that you can if desired or necessary remove this flag and replace it with another flag. @mortal brook
mortal brook
Okay but conq banner is attached via necrotic energy I believe
To that weird bony overhang
And Def not a pole
oblique garnet
I honestly cant tell the difference im playing on minecraft graphics so its just a shiny backpack for me
mortal brook
This is why flags should be on ground not on backpack
oblique garnet
maybe its like one of those marching banners
modern brook
The ground is for hunters and prot pallys
mortal brook
OK now the banners are marching???
oblique garnet
OK now the banners are marching???
This is why you are never getting bear fishing
mortal brook
The ground is for hunters and prot pallys
I have it on good authority we sometimes throw spear on ground or stomp ground or throw axe on ground
mortal brook
Still???
primal mauve
How would you guys rate tanks in terms of APM, Warrior would be highest right?
jagged pier
No chill till i get my mechagon ring
true
oblique garnet
P a i n
jagged pier
👀
strong forum
this man done more depot than ive done keys all week
primal mauve
I dont know if Ive done 80 last season
mortal brook
No Valor cap has been real nice
oblique garnet
Hopefully my first slg kill rewards me with a shield so then i dont have to buy it with dinars
jagged pier
true
oblique garnet
what is this
wraith hound
anyone have a best in slot list?
oblique garnet
give me
vestal moat
Which mechagon ring proc is bis for us ? I know the 3 diff abilities to trigger but which actual benefit
oblique garnet
haste
chrome falcon
haste
oblique garnet
Ty
mortal brook
Droptimizer in raidbots has a bis list
wraith hound
reallyy
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
its allright
mortal brook
Good as it sims
wraith hound
pally wants it
wraith hound
I have soleah and plating atm
lofty widget
which rings are best? cant tell if its worth replacing 265 with socket for 288 but low haste
oblique garnet
which rings are best? cant tell if its worth replacing 265 with socket for 288 b...
id personally keep the socket but the leech is also pretty nice
strong forum
yes
mortal brook
Standard twitch chat
hollow kayak
Stepped into raid tanking for my guild this patch. I notice that my banner uptime in raid is suffering a bit vs in M+. Some of it will be due to the new environment. But I wonder as well if I am relying on ravager for rage generation, and when I take into the fray the weakness is becoming apparent?
I probably just need to spend time at a dummy with raid talents. But am I off base about the talent selection making rage generation more difficult?
hollow kayak
Yeah, that makes sense.
oblique garnet
Whenever youre not tanking you weave
hollow kayak
Also watching banner tick away during bosses like Shriekwing makes me sad.
strong forum
and you need to actually press TC on CD
mortal brook
Theorycraft on Cooldown
strong forum
:BearNodders:
hollow kayak
and you need to actually press TC on CD
Not as good as charge weaving, but better than nothing I guess.
urban portal
Also watching banner tick away during bosses like Shriekwing makes me sad.
to be fair youll always have banner back up for next phase
its nice
he phases around 2m
hollow kayak
Ah, that's handy, yeah.
urban portal
so as long as you arent recasting it for fun
hollow kayak
I did shriek yesterday, looking at the log I dropped banner before he phased (1:36). So just something I need to improve. The dummy and I have a date, I suppose.
urban portal
well yeah thats not a fight issue
hollow kayak
I guess when i'm not active tank, I'll make sure to have charge ticking at times. And the TC thing. Intervene is pretty easy (usually I do that on CD).
I'd say using the charge portion of reprisal is the most... challenging(?) thing for me. Feels weird to walk away. Just have to do it I guess.
Anyway, thanks. You can go back to debating banners/flags. 😆
vernal vale
Ive done like 80 keys total this week
That's a full 60 more than me.
urban portal
honestly im fairly sure you can keep up banner for the first 2 minutes without charging
due to lust
vernal vale
honestly im fairly sure you can keep up banner for the first 2 minutes without c...
You can, I did it because stupid people put puddles right behind tanks.
Having people who never did the Raid new to the team is a lot of "Oh, that's how that mechanic works"
SLG run crystallize a mile away and put seismic right in the middle. >.<
vernal vale
Nah, guilds good.
Just new people as they are trying to build a mythic roster.
Recruiting new people before dragonflight.
urban portal
did you down sire?
vernal vale
We barely had 20 at the end of last tier and dipped our toes in mythic.
Sadly no on sire. Same issue too many new people learning fight.
left temple
sweet summit
@oblique garnet ring check
oblique garnet
<@143839248422928384> ring check
No ring, in raid atm
sweet summit
sad
oblique garnet
yes
tired skiff
who tf was that
dawn canyon
rando that got banned
vernal vale
The ring doesn't exist
I'm gonna laugh you'll get it after all those runs and then it will be in your vault.
I got the blow torch thing from mechagon. Gonna be a degenerate put sinful on it and use it in raid.
tired skiff
rando that got banned
What did he do to get banned?
dawn canyon
idk wasnt around but late shot him down
brisk sparrow
have you guys tried out the spell reflect essentials weakaura? is it any good? just found it and can't login right now, but maybe someone can already tell me if it is worth it 🙂
wild hemlock
he was being a doorknob
tired skiff
What was he talking about?
dawn canyon
any success offspecing arms Caine?
wild hemlock
working on that 2h, guy
actually ended playing DRE ele sham all week. insaneeeeeeeely fun
dawn canyon
i only did one key on ele this week
wild hemlock
dre brought a whole new batch of fresh air
wild hemlock
i just hate storm ele so effing much
everywhere but lower kara and gambit feel amazing for DRE though
dawn canyon
i made the swap from fury to arms in keys recently
suprisingly helped my arms play in raid a ton
wild hemlock
im super super super sad to say it. but i might be playing ret/prot pally instead of warrior lol
dawn canyon
ret is nice
wild hemlock
steve dont read that ^^
mortal brook
one of these two things is lying
wild hemlock
prot pally is just insane
mortal brook
i think its the ingame rating linker
and the wa is correct
cuz the wa matches my valor gain better
mortal brook
im super super super sad to say it. but i might be playing ret/prot pally instea...
whatever you enjoy my dude
dawn canyon
i feel like you can sustain maybe 3 chars through this season
strong forum
one of these two things is lying
Maybe you left 29 keys
wild hemlock
honestly just not jiving with necro warrior lmao. its super fun and i love concept. but its soooooooo many buttons to push lol
strong forum
You leaver
mortal brook
Maybe you left 29 keys
okay so sorta but only a couple cuz. high grimrail i Sleeper 1st pull then leave to swap to ufr
but thats only like 4 so far
strong forum
God damn "BRB getting milk" looking ass
mortal brook
how else am i gonna get alar value other than 'get back to entrance fast' tech
wild hemlock
someone in NA help me get a 15 lower kara done before reset pleaseeeeeeeeeee
mortal brook
i make sure to be on top of em
ye 3 yards
which is smaller than hit box
but i position when i proc
strong forum
"why do you play alar?"
"for the uncapped dmg 
"
mortal brook
uneven wagon
guys is it normal that my guild won't let me pug the last few bosses we didn't kill this week
like is that a thing in this game
dense pewter
No, tell them to quit being cringe
strong forum
If you're not going to raid anymore this week
Pug them, lol
It's your dinars that are on the table
hardy ridge
Did they tell you why
dense pewter
dinar on the table, time to eat.
uneven wagon
I don't really understand the harm in progressing further by myself especially when everyone in the guild has already done it last year
strong forum
There's no logical reason to prevent him from pugging bosses other than "we don't want to lose you"
wild hemlock
yoyoyo anyone remember what currency we use to buy lego powers?
ret raid lego is locked behind world boss ffs
strong forum
Wasn't it the grateful offerings
mortal brook
cosmic, grateful or research
dense pewter
you can use cinders for world boss leggos, they're not for sale from the assistance vendor I don't believe
wild hemlock
arent they for sale in torgy?
strong forum
It is
dense pewter
If they are, then I wasted a lot of time farming cinders on my alt for the random leggo recipe from the Korthia vender
ocean yoke
the reddest of them
minor helm
dense pewter
That's the kind of guild that is AOTC and does loot council next season
minor helm
What are you progressing none of these raids are new
minor helm
Imagine giving the mythic lockout to heroic
strong forum
But them preventing you from pugging it is just 
dense pewter
Sounds like a jealous leadership team of hard carries.
strong forum
Like you're just being held back for no reason
mighty valley
i get it for like, a guild of friends, it's fun to learn and grow together
minor helm
It’s heroic tho
ocean yoke
wouldnt want him to pug and kill it he might, god forbid, be more experienced at the fight when it comes back around
dense pewter
Still nah. If I play basketball with my friends in a rec league, they're still not going to keep me from playing in another rec league. That's weird.
drifting fable
or ya know. get loot, upgrade material, etc. and be all around better for the next raid lol
strong forum
Sounds like a case of the FF players "we do it blind, we do it together!!"
Where I really really don't understand the concept of wanting to everything blind
minor helm
topaz field
are u all brothers and sisters? then i would understand them
minor helm
This makes my head hurt during lunch break
oblique garnet
Where I really really don't understand the concept of wanting to everything blin...
Blind is fun
uneven wagon
Most of the ppl had already done HC in 9.0 I'm probably more behind in experience than the rest 
strong forum
Not to wipe to bosses
mighty valley
friends around the same skill level with the same mindset can figure out how they like to play the game, if you're recruiting wide though then that's obv unreasonable to restrict people like that
strong forum
Most of the ppl had already done HC in 9.0 I'm probably more behind in experienc...
Sludge and slg are pure "just brute force it, mechanics are optional" kinda bosses on HC
dense pewter
There's a significant amount of lost fun from the exploration phase of gaming when you know the answer to the puzzle already
strong forum
Only dena actually requires you to do mechanics
minor helm
Pushing p1 too early 
dense pewter
Like solving a crossword with the answers right in front of you and your only hurdle then is not getting bored enough before you finish copying the answers.
mighty valley
eh, on sludge people do need to know not to randomly press movement abilities to kill people, some people really really struggle lmao
strong forum
There's a significant amount of lost fun from the exploration phase of gaming wh...
In most cases, you may know the answer to the puzzle, but you still need everybody to do the puzzle
strong forum
And just finding the answer to the puzzle is 9/10 not the problem
uneven wagon
I don't wanna find a different guild 😭
frigid plume
I like figuring out strats and would definitely prefer progging mythic completely blind but it isn’t really feasible with modern wow
spring wasp
Alright i need a good reason to play Prot Warrior before i pick Prot Pala and regret it pls! HELP ME
topaz field
u arent pink
uneven wagon
magic is for nerds simply ignore pain
ocean yoke
strong forum
I like figuring out strats and would definitely prefer progging mythic completel...
In regular mythic guilds 15/20 raiders don't look up mechanics
So you'll have to adjust based on your players
And re-discover what works
torn gulch
did you guys see any wod necks or rings? or they don't drop at all?
strong forum
So any fighy is literally just like blind
strong forum
did you guys see any wod necks or rings? or they don't drop at all?
They don't drop
uneven wagon
In regular mythic guilds 15/20 raiders don't look up mechanics
do tanks do this
strong forum
I do look up shit
mighty valley
a really long time ago I was in a guild that insisted on trying to go in blind, but you could tell that someone had already looked shit up and was just like "oh hey, on that wipe I kinda noticed how this mechanic works..."
torn gulch
They don't drop
yea figures it was strange that my entire guild with tens of wod runs did not see any of them
cobalt seal
yea figures it was strange that my entire guild with tens of wod runs did not se...
they wouldn't be good either
torn gulch
i was just curious
frigid plume
I’m ce and I don’t look up shit because I prefer doing my own thing
torn gulch
to see the tradeoff between main stat and secondaries
median tulip
My guild's standard practice is to charge heedlessly on the first pull, so people can see the visuals, and then the RL explains. We find it works better for people to learn if they see it first
frigid plume
there is sometimes conflict with the raid lead tho
vernal vale
This feels like a guild red flag or am I crazy
Big red flag leave now
strong forum
there is sometimes conflict with the raid lead tho
When I raid I usually am of a call-out based position so yeh
Can't just yolo
frigid plume
true
mighty valley
honestly the biggest red flag is the snooty ass way this guy talked to you when you asked a normal question
dense pewter
I’m ce and I don’t look up shit because I prefer doing my own thing
what sucks about this is when it goes to pull 150+ and someone decides to stop raiding, then if you bring someone who wants to play the "feel it out" learning game, you're suddenly on pull 170+ before you start actually progging again
uneven wagon
He got way too defensive way too fast
yh thats what bothered me more than anything cause I just figured this is how most guilds do it
strong forum
Heroic is puggable for a reason
minor helm
If you feel capable to kill bosses in a heroic pug join a mythic guild
strong forum
Next week there is no CN, so you'd have to reprogress CN in 3 weeks
topaz field
I’m ce and I don’t look up shit because I prefer doing my own thing
ppl like u are the reason why raiding is one the most annoying content in the game because u hold 20 other ppl hostage
strong forum
With again running into danger of not killing the last 3
minor helm
frigid plume
what sucks about this is when it goes to pull 150+ and someone decides to stop r...
that’s true but there isn’t that much mid tier roster turnover in my experience
strong forum
That's rare
oblique garnet
not really
dense pewter
I think during my only CE experience we had like 10 different raiders by the end of it
strong forum
Especially during the last few bosses there s mad turnover
Cuz everybody just cba's
uneven wagon
also I'm not even like on the raid team I still have the "trial raider" role 
frigid plume
ppl like u are the reason why raiding is one the most annoying content in the ga...
if you say so, but I don’t think my not looking at a guide before really impacts my guild’s prof
topaz field
i doubt that but i can assure it doesnt improve it
because if u are that kind of person its also likely u dont know how your class works
because why would u bother looking it up
minor helm
dense pewter
He's in the class discord 😛 Probably at least interested
frigid plume
the thing about being in a mid tier mythic guild is that everyone raids for a different reasons and you have to accommodate that
topaz field
absolutely im not talking about anything special
but looking up mechanics is the least u can do
the very least
faint chasm
is there a guide/resource on how to maximize banner uptime?
frigid plume
i dunno I actually think finding out blind what can one shot you is part of the fun
vernal vale
also I'm not even like on the raid team I still have the "trial raider" role <:w...
I would say it's not worth your time to stay there.
waxen frigate
That's the kind of guild that is AOTC and does loot council next season
can confirm, i was in a guild that did exactly that
vernal vale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&t=4s
Beat me to it lol
uneven wagon
can we pin the vid
hardy ridge
This feels like a guild red flag or am I crazy
Bro leave that toxic guild
sweet summit
lol
chrome falcon
I think it's fair to say "do HC with the guid" if you're in an HC guild
for loot purposes
sweet summit
that's not a real screenshot
minor helm
That’s omega cursed
hardy ridge
The only way i think this is fine is if it was mentioned when applying to the guild
minor helm
You can’t just turn heroic lockout into mythic cause ur guild sucks
sweet summit
but by the looks of it they're done with regular raid nights
and you can't do the bosses next week
mortal brook
if theyre not raiding any more, and you want your credit for dinar and some looties or just to fill the void of an empty evening like every evening is, supplement with some pugging np
minor helm
You also lower the amount of open loot in the vault raid pool by not killing the bosses
hardy ridge
I think it's fair to say "do HC with the guid" if you're in an HC guild
The context is that the guild is done for the week. If anything pugging content can allow him to trade more gear in the future
vernal vale
I think it's fair to say "do HC with the guid" if you're in an HC guild
Maybe up to your raid nights but after the guild has no dedicated raid time just go for it.
chrome falcon
ok yeah extremely cringe with context then
urban bane
i dont get that gm's perspective
Were they upfront in recruitment stuff about like intentionally doing things blind?
mighty valley
they aren't even talking about doing it blind
minor helm
They just respect prog
wraith hound
so wasting rage with shield slam basically means I overcap too much while pressing shield slam or does it also mean i lose rage because not pressing shield slam enough?
chrome falcon
means you're pressing SS while capped
wraith hound
alrightey
heady burrow
Haste mecha ring looks best to me, is the nature dmg one garbage or worth taking? Any numbers on it?
chrome falcon
haste >>>
strong forum
How much dmg is the dmg proc
wind oak
it shit dmg
oblique garnet
1898