protection

[oblique garnet]

gaming

you need a shield

you need to do train

WE LOVE GRIMRAIL DEPOT

[waxen orbit]

I LOVE GRIMRAIL DEPOT!!!!!!11!!12!11!

[oblique garnet]

Honestly tho i really like it

Just hold w no brain activity involved

[chrome falcon]

thank you for reminding me that i should not be sitting here having fun painting warhammer and i should actually just be farming grimrail depot

gonna go do that

[waxen orbit]

It's a good dungeon

Genuinely

I just heavily dislike the player-base struggling with very simple mechanics

I get it's most peoples' first time but like idk 2-3 runs should tell you the mechs

DBM too

[chrome falcon]

people are very bad at dodging first boss

and also do not know how to burst goblin man properly

[waxen frigate]

3rd boss gets spicy on high (20+) keys for sure

but it's overrated in terms of difficulty

[chrome falcon]

third boss is dogshit

nah it needs a telegraph

or some kind of changed

[waxen frigate]

do u know the thing

for the ranged/heals

[chrome falcon]

to camp that one spot?

yeah

very good design

[waxen frigate]

i mean

it's lame but

it works for now

almost 2 chested a 21 yesterday if i hadnt stepped in a sleep puddle

[ionic fern]

Those sleep puddles are so hard to see in bigger pulls.

[waxen frigate]

ya it was a scuffed pull anyway

i was literally doing 25k+ HPS as brew

for over 90sec

CB was about to come up

I rolled away to buy myself the 2sec

into a puddle 😦

[marsh aurora]

It's lame to camp that 1 spot as the only way. Echo did it on 28 earlier and they got one shotted by breath

That breath mechanic is just poorly designed and you can't expect people in a weekly 15 to get into the safe spot, dodge spears, bait traps, and use defensives on breath

[sand drum]

fast Q friends for Sire, do you wanna try charge to get pack into pos when he uses Bloodprice or do you just let boss follow you ? rn we are tanking it towards a corner

and Sire seems scuffed with how he moves trying to reposition is harder then fight xD

[blazing condor]

i would charge when i tanked him back in 9.0

but never did him mythic

[marsh aurora]

You can charge back in just for the reprisal proc

And so he doesn't move

On druid and pwar in season 1 I was always charging back in so melees could just dash in aswell

And not have downtime

@strong forum what's your ilvl like ?

and what gear are you targeting in dungeons

quite lost when it comes to bis

[strong forum]

285 and I'm not targeting anything specific

Just ilvl for now

[marsh aurora]

alright

[hazy edge]

99% of the time when gearing you just take ilvl. Once you get same ilvl pieces you just sim

[marsh aurora]

guess i just need to keep running streets until i get a weapon

[strong forum]

workshop also has crit haste

[marsh aurora]

and workshop has rings

also need neck from gambit i guess

[toxic pewter]

these pug groups for heroic sire are braindead

holy shit

im losing it

[marsh aurora]

heroic pugging has always been that way afair

if you don't do it the 1st hour after reset you're exposing yourself to that

[toxic pewter]

true

[mighty valley]

got a shockingly good sludgefist pug last night

apparently their last tank ragequit, I hopped in, he died charging to 3rd pillar

[toxic pewter]

lol

that fight is so fun for prot warr

[sick sentinel]

IIRC too if you get a junk yard ring, you have to run work shop if you want the matching other pair ring

[blazing condor]

sludge is the best encounter this xpac

[sick sentinel]

it only counts if you have 1 "when you ABC..." and 1 "... then you XYZ" equipped

[blazing condor]

yes

[sand drum]

thx

[marsh aurora]

Does anyone know why the dps on wc log is so different from the one on details ?

in a key

it feels like wclog is accounting for walking and such

anyways that key went pretty wrong on my side, i didn't die or anything but it felt bad and i don't know why, and how to fix it, so here's a log if anyone wants to check it out

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LgX8TkaPmFy9vNnK/#fight=last&type=summary

banner uptime is low, sb is low

i just don't know why

well sb is fairly obvious

[oblique garnet]

DPS shows active time only wcl has everything

So if you have downtime

[marsh aurora]

Yeah figured as I was asking

[oblique garnet]

This is so sad

[median tulip]

Sludgefist, Shriekwing and Altimor are all great Warrior fights TBH

[blazing condor]

i love rng

sludge is just a great fight cus its a scripted fight

easy to optimise

[median tulip]

Altimor is great because over half the fight is made up of execute phases.

[dawn canyon]

[oblique garnet]

The set bonus might not be worth itfor prot

Because the other ring is so cursed when it comes to haste

[strong forum]

??

its 100 free rating

[oblique garnet]

True true

But maybe

2x heavy haste rings

[strong forum]

no

you want crit

is gud for dmg

[oblique garnet]

Man i dont want to do more workshops let me dream

[strong forum]

that ring combo is basically + 6sockets

🙂

[oblique garnet]

Yeah

[strong forum]

well more like +5 sockets cuz you dont have true 100% uptime on it but still

[oblique garnet]

Wdym

[strong forum]

well you dont have 100% uptime on the haste

[oblique garnet]

Does recursion have an ICD? or

[strong forum]

more like 90%

no but you still need to press 3 diff spells once the CD is over

[oblique garnet]

Yeah about that

[strong forum]

that usually takes like 1 or 2 globals

that adds up over time

[oblique garnet]

We will see once i get it

[oblique garnet]

To see how close to 100% its possible to get

[strong forum]

i mean if you wanna ultra game it, sure

every spell counts btw

[oblique garnet]

i know

Might aswell add a tracker for it so you have 2 fun minigames while doing your rotation

[strong forum]

in JY16 i had 82%

[marsh aurora]

About that, if you guys could help me solve the 1st minigzme that is banner, I'd appreciate it a lot

[strong forum]

ya so uptime is closer to 85% if you dont play around it

[oblique garnet]

Weave in IP between globals

[runic sparrow]

mythic sire banner uptime feels a bit rough

so much downtime

[strong forum]

ya sire wasnt easy to keep up banner

[marsh aurora]

Am I not doing it enough? I am ragestarved quite often

[strong forum]

if youre rage starved youre not generating enough

or not charging enough

[chrome falcon]

i have a video if you want

[oblique garnet]

Artificer mythic

[strong forum]

i still waste a good bit of rage

this was gamba where i did 16.1k dps

[marsh aurora]

Well my log is above so idk

[strong forum]

97% banner uptime tho

[marsh aurora]

Oof

[strong forum]

your CPM is awfully low

like 20cpm less

[chrome falcon]

oh didn't see the log

[marsh aurora]

I do have downtime quite a lot which shouldn't happen

Like 0 rage and ss cd, I'm straight up bad

[chrome falcon]

just practice

on a dummy

until 3 min banner uptime

[strong forum]

hm

you need to work on your SS casts

i casted 40 more SS in 26min than you casted in 31min

both workshop

youre not using ravager and Demo on CD

couldve used more LS

[oblique garnet]

The video mattacate has is basically just showing how long you can keep uptime on banner without using a new one in keys you should send it on cd normally xd

[strong forum]

i dont use banner on CD at all in keys

[jagged pier]

nither

[strong forum]

only when mine fell off

[jagged pier]

use it when i drop the buff

[strong forum]

or when i want kevin

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

but ive been playing homer for a few weeks so i need to get used to that again

[jagged pier]

BIG KEV

[chrome falcon]

yeah atm i've just holding it

but when i'm more comfortable i'll send it on CD

[strong forum]

why would i rebanner when i still have 15sec duration left

[chrome falcon]

kevin and dps buff i guess

[strong forum]

like the dps benefit from it

loleh

[chrome falcon]

it's worth the global

[lofty widget]

yeah my hunter and monk really appreciate that mastery on aoe

[strong forum]

in my 99.9% uptime banner run i only used 3 banners

[oblique garnet]

EMENI

[strong forum]

i dont even have that unlocked

[oblique garnet]

I like it because you get the free finesse for intervene

[strong forum]

you use that anyway

[oblique garnet]

Yeah ofc

[strong forum]

rally is the one thats niche

[oblique garnet]

Rally conduit is massive

[strong forum]

idk i prefer running safeguard in m+

[marsh aurora]

Alright thanks for the feedback, will press more buttons

[oblique garnet]

Why not both 🙂

[strong forum]

only 2 potency and 1 isnt AJ

smh

[chrome falcon]

yeah i did notice that you don't run AJ

which feel weirdge

[strong forum]

Memes aside I can see the mov speed being fun

[waxen orbit]

Where do bracers drop

Good ones

[strong forum]

Doesn't matter you CC anyway

[chrome falcon]

or legendary

[oblique garnet]

Streets

[waxen orbit]

Oh easy

[strong forum]

Cc is crit haste

So just get any kind of bracers

[waxen orbit]

Yea I'm already giga stacked crit haste

[oblique garnet]

Does it work with mecha bracers?

[onyx vessel]

spear + seismic

[waxen orbit]

Have been since like

Fuckin

9.1

[strong forum]

Any s4 bracers work

[oblique garnet]

[onyx vessel]

got the junk shield

[strong forum]

L E E C H

[waxen orbit]

LEECH

[onyx vessel]

+16ilvl

[waxen orbit]

CREATION CATALYST :stonks:

[oblique garnet]

Pog i did not know you could do wrists

so ive jsut been sitting on them

[strong forum]

Any item works

Except neck ring trinket and weapons ofc

[onyx vessel]

eh boys ever mid dungeon shield breaks

actual

not eng or mount available

[dusk loom]

nose for trouble that good? for a racial or just play whatever race

[onyx vessel]

cant break now

[strong forum]

Bis for m+

[dusk loom]

figured

[strong forum]

Outside of dwarf

[onyx vessel]

orc > everything

[dusk loom]

female orc for mog haha

pending your not an elf person or play human

[onyx vessel]

horde players "am i joke to you"

horde its probably blood elf or w.e

[onyx vessel]

night elf

[shrewd steeple]

How strong is this?

[oblique garnet]

I put it to CC

[chrome falcon]

the bracers themselves are terrible

but those specific can be CC'd and keep leech

so they're technically good

[onyx vessel]

those bracers are trash

late is a memer

[shrewd steeple]

thanks for fast replys !

[left temple]

If only it kept the on-use

[oblique garnet]

[onyx vessel]

memes is the only way

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[real crypt]

what soulbind do I wanna go with as necro in keys?

[onyx vessel]

unkeybind tclap

[solemn current]

Think it's worth losing haste for mastery on the Seal of Darkshire Nobility to get the 10% less damage perk? At least until mechagon rings are obtained?

[onyx vessel]

10% dr for a single swing off the rip when shield block is running

[oblique garnet]

Most people play marileth i like emeni

[onyx vessel]

4 seconds isnt long

thats what my ex said too

[solemn current]

I kind of just looked at it as a substitute for vulpera racial without being vulpera, but didn't know how it performed in practice.

[onyx vessel]

[left temple]

@oblique garnet tell pope he is big stupid

[chrome falcon]

[onyx vessel]

[oblique garnet]

[oblique garnet]

It is done

[onyx vessel]

nice ring

haste better?

[undone verge]

Haste way better

I still got healing ring

[urban portal]

NGL, the 3 hits into this seems op

[onyx vessel]

behind is also good

[waxen orbit]

God I love Junkyard

[lofty widget]

i hit da good number

[waxen orbit]

Would've been 25k but DPS were being goofballs

[cinder storm]

JY is like any key -10, except when people start losing their bots then it's Sadge

[waxen orbit]

Didn't realize my DPS charts didn't show total dam done, mb

@lofty widget US or EU? I'm tryna get an Avenger's team for M+ of prot warriors this patch

[lofty widget]

EU sadly

[waxen orbit]

If I could play on EU ping I'd do it but my router freaks the fuck out

Except for on ESO for whatever reason where I had 9 ms

[oblique garnet]

15s icd so no

[zealous willow]

i dont want to sound like racist , but all russians i lnv in grp are leaving after 1 wipe

is this only for me or they are just leavers?

[cinder storm]

Has nothing to do with race, it's all about bad players

[waxen orbit]

Russian isn't a race lmao

[lofty widget]

theyre chill from my exp

[cinder storm]

Race = nationality

[zealous willow]

when i insult them for leaving , they call me racist

its their fuckign logic

[waxen frigate]

that’s South America for NA servers. Shit I know South Americans who refuse to group with other South Americans

[dusky sentinel]

What did I just join

[languid yoke]

dont wipe

[mighty valley]

there are bad players everywhere, you just notice when they’re clearly another nationality

ok that’s different i’m biased against paladins for sure

[toxic pewter]

u gonna play warr in df

wen u play warr

main

y

[mighty valley]

that’s fine you just can’t come to my birthday party

[shell shale]

Yo did you do 19kdps overall?

[waxen orbit]

19.6k

[shell shale]

Oh is this junkyard?

[waxen orbit]

YEa

[shell shale]

Ohh nice!

Dude I just quickly glanced and seen 19k beating my buddy on fury

Was like wtf

[toxic pewter]

do you select crit or wat

[oblique garnet]

Whis you would play with me

[lament goblet]

Has anyone written up an analysis of all the trinkets we have available in season 4? Not just BiS but like all/most of them so if I have 3 or 4 trinkets right now I can tell which 2 I should use?

[oblique garnet]

You can post them and i can tell or people in general can say what are gonna be your best

Guess the key level

18

[waxen orbit]

Haste always

[toxic pewter]

nice

[oblique garnet]

This shouldnt happen at anything higher than 15

[left temple]

Good >:)

he must remember his place

[waxen orbit]

Happens literally all the time for me

Love to see it 🙂

[mighty valley]

I beat dps a lot early on in a season

Guess they have to learn cd timings etc

We’re just on all the time

[waxen orbit]

Nah it's just a high influx of shitters play at start of patch

[mighty valley]

Shh I’m trying to be nice

[waxen orbit]

Mbmb

[somber sky]

<@&257983573498265600>

[fierce juniper]

$pb @sick sentinel spam

[true pawn]

Done.

[somber sky]

mf odyn is here

monkaW

[fierce juniper]

[cinder storm]

Happens all the time, the more you pug the more you become desynthezised

[limpid pawn]

does banner + lego buff 3 other people plus me?

[cinder storm]

Yes, for the initial duration

But banner is mostly for you only

[limpid pawn]

yeah and me indefinitely depending on how long i extend

[grand locust]

hey all, giving necro a try from kyrian. was looking at wowatnights guide, the tooltip for his conqueror's banner is this

i was looking at my conquerors banner tooltip, the max hp and crit chance is completely different

was he just showing an outdated tooltip for conquerors banner? (his video was uploaded recently for s4)

does conquerors banner give any crit?

[cinder storm]

Yes, it gives mastery

There's a few YouTubers with "new videos" that are mostly old videos from past seasons but "updated" to attract new views from this season

[waxen orbit]

Most WoW YouTubers kind of just peddle bullshit to new/returning players for views and engagement

Just use class discords/guides on Wowhead

[sick sentinel]

banner 1.0 was actually the worst

[limpid pawn]

as good as banner/tier is

i don't like the playstyle whatsoever lol

[chrome falcon]

there isn't really a playstyle around banner

it's just how our class plays atm

but yeah it 's getting bit old for me too tbh

[hollow bolt]

Be ungovernable take no covenent

[limpid pawn]

karazhan lower wtf

moroes is like really gross

[chrome falcon]

i am never pugging lower kara because of that boss

never doing that without voice

[limpid pawn]

the mechanics are really sus. like they weren't designed for m+

[cobalt seal]

what's wrong with moroes

[chrome falcon]

lol has any dungeon in this game given you the impression it was designed for m+

[cobalt seal]

I have more trouble with attun

then moroes

[limpid pawn]

attun is also bad

shared suffering is questionable

[cobalt seal]

just group soak?

[limpid pawn]

was in a pug

[cobalt seal]

trying to outplay it

has cause me more trouble

[limpid pawn]

kiting it is better IMO

but not super easy to do

[cobalt seal]

then just group soak

[cobalt seal]

is it?

if you farming 15's

you would need a afk healer so the dmg would matter

99/100 tanks that gonna try it

are either - FloorPOV or make someone else FloorPOV

[oblique garnet]

Freehold

[cobalt seal]

Mists

[grand locust]

i just got into warrior this patch, been playing kyrian. its been tough but have been getting better. just gave necro a try with banner and holy shit. i feel invincible and do so much more damage

feels so strong when im able to keep banner up

[cobalt seal]

Honestly Gambit is well designed for m+

[chrome falcon]

[sand drum]

Matta ? could you take a look at my logs ? if I send them in DM

[cobalt seal]

this isn't fury channel

to use repair emote

[toxic pewter]

is this a bug? its showing 265 ilvl for vault next week, shouldnt is be 291?

[hazy edge]

we'll find out on tuesday

[toxic pewter]

yeah true lmao

are you experiencing the same thing though?

I take it it shows that way for everyone

[hazy edge]

yup same thing

[cobalt seal]

Asa when you coming to EU? to play 5 tanks? xD

[hazy edge]

I have a 150 ilvl ppal on EU

doesn't have a single leggo or soulbind unlocked

[cobalt seal]

looks like it's ready for next friday raid

[hazy edge]

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/3e7b066d3105f6b2a67da1c07ff9b96d end of grimrail, kept this bad boy going the whole run

wish i logged that one

and got the shield from it as a reward

after 6 months of this dogshit sepulchres i can finally have stats on my shield

[toxic pewter]

grats

I want shield

[muted jolt]

BiS trinkets besides aegis?

[chrome falcon]

OWS/RDM

sigil for ST padding

[muted jolt]

For M+

[chrome falcon]

OWS/RDM then

aegis if you're pushing

but aegis should not be necessary outside of big boy keys

[hazy edge]

fusion amp actually beats sigil out on st

[chrome falcon]

that's

so

depressing

[hazy edge]

👍

[chrome falcon]

is that assuming 1 sigil on pull and 1 in execute

[urban portal]

probably

do you always get 2 casts off in a sim?

[hazy edge]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

this is the worst thing that has happened to me all day

[hazy edge]

I’m sorry lol

[chrome falcon]

how stupid were sod trinkets man geez

[hazy edge]

I posted the t28.5 profile in here yesterday I’d you wanna see it

[oblique garnet]

Wow really needs some way to target specific items

[hazy edge]

Like dinars?

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but for m+

[hazy edge]

True

[oblique garnet]

I have seen some shit that i cannot unsee as im farming workshops

[hazy edge]

My bdk got its first phial of the xpac about 6 weeks ago

[oblique garnet]

Yeah im 30 or so workshops in

Ive seen the ring drop 2 times

[hazy edge]

I think they don’t add it from m+ cause it’s infinitely farmable technicallly

[chrome falcon]

wait i take it back

this is actually good news because now i don't have to grind FCM

[hazy edge]

[chrome falcon]

... i don't have to grind FCM, right

it's not secretly better but you just didn't sim it, right

[crude canyon]

Hello, is it normal for my kevin's oozeling to do this little damage? my main monk's oozeling does more but i don't think 25 ilvls makes up 1800%+ more dps

[hazy edge]

Iirc it was in there and lost

[drifting fable]

wouldnt you get kevin way more with brew

its a 1 min cd

[crude canyon]

it does but the duration is proportional to the covenant ability's cd

even with CDR from using keg smash+TP it's still a massive difference in damage done on average

[chrome falcon]

it's because brew has pet modifiers from attack power

because of dave

kevin counts as a pet so kevin does more damage for brew

same for hunter and warlock

[crude canyon]

ahh

[chrome falcon]

aaaaaaand dk? maybe?

[crude canyon]

so normally oozeling does pitiful damage unless it's a pet spec/class

makes sense, ty

[chrome falcon]

well just any spec that can have a pet

so i think bdk counts because of control undead

works with bron too

[hazy edge]

ye

[novel temple]

is it worth using conq banner before avatar and demo shout?

or i should say why isn't it in the guide to use avatar/demo after conq banner?

[dreamy wedge]

Is there a list or w/e of reflectable spells for the new set of dungeons?

[hazy edge]

first link in the 3rd pin

[urban portal]

doesnt matter too much

[dreamy wedge]

Oh! I didn't realize it'd already been updated sweet. Ty!

[hazy edge]

👍

[chrome falcon]

why would you do those things after it

just slam all the buttons all at once

avatar is off GCD and demo shout gets cast on CD

[cunning viper]

W or L

[chrome falcon]

colossal L unfortunately

that trinket was pretty good back in CN when every trinket was awful and you had 4 other buddies using it

now we have other trinkets that are good, and no buddies using it

[hazy edge]

good chance its a small W if it's an ilvl increase though

[chrome falcon]

isn't it strictly worse than soleahs at equivalent ilvl

that thing only gives 23 more vers than a soleahs that's 32 ilvl lower

and vers is worse than haste

[hazy edge]

that's why I said ilvl increase not equal ilvl

[urban portal]

ilvl increase

and goons

so yeah

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah i was mostly just going off about how terrible basically every trinket we can use that wasn't added in 9.1 (or 7.0) is

[novel temple]

But I thought on pull you could also just last stand with the conduit and get more uptime from banner?

[chrome falcon]

yeah you can

i'm not 100% sure what you're confused about

mash all your buttons slam slam slam

[novel temple]

but wouldnt it be better to banner before demo and avatar

while last stand is up

since more rage and what not

[chrome falcon]

i have a macro that pops avatar, LS and banner that i press as i charge

then i just start mashing IP, hit an SS then just start blasting

just put up banner as soon as you start the pull

[urban portal]

it doesnt really matter

ava vs banner first

[chrome falcon]

i mean you just do both same time

[urban portal]

yeah

[chrome falcon]

one is on GCD the other is off it

[urban portal]

i just like to AVA when gcd is over

so i can SS immediately

[chrome falcon]

yeah that's fair

[urban portal]

thats a personal thing

[chrome falcon]

but the sooner you pop it the sooner it's back up so

it's very marginal

i find it easier to just macro it all together, the fewer extra buttons i have to press the better when i need to be spamming IP

[urban portal]

yea

[chrome falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols i talk about it a bit in this video but basically you don't need to fret every global

just slam all your CDs when they come up

and smash shield slam when you proc it

[toxic pewter]

does mechagon ring work with indom

the if you heal below 50%

any help appreciated thank you

[oblique garnet]

Unlucky go next

[toxic pewter]

what you mean

im guessing it doesnt work

lame

[oblique garnet]

Theres hardly cases where you are below 50% if played properly

[toxic pewter]

well yeah thats true

[oblique garnet]

So the actual uptime will stay low

[toxic pewter]

still it completes my ring set

but you are right

[oblique garnet]

Im just missing the other half

[toxic pewter]

not gonna lie, wish i got a better junkyard ring sigh

[urban portal]

it should work tbh

with indom

[toxic pewter]

whoa

i think it did work????

gotta keep testing will let you know

[urban portal]

ty for your service

i would just get meleed in the back by some random mobs

then press IP once

[toxic pewter]

yes

[oblique garnet]

This is an terrible advice what the fuck

[urban portal]

i mean

to test if the ring works

not to actually play the game

[oblique garnet]

Oh

Im like 95% sure it works

But its never gonna be worth it

[toxic pewter]

whoa it def works

could be cool cuz it triggers magic damage absorb for me

so seems not bad defensively

but yeah obviously dont want to be below 50%

still cool tho

[dreamy wedge]

I got the "hit a mob from behind" trigger ring and felt insulted

[oblique garnet]

Thats ok because you can get it from side anyways

[mighty valley]

damn, I thought I was getting beat in CPM by outlaw rogues this patch all of a sudden

and then I saw they were getting credit for "Combo Point"

[cinder nova]

How did you get your bars back? i imported the Lynguistics one and my bars are mia

[dreamy wedge]

Wait, how "to the side" are we talkin

[hazy edge]

if you aren't in the 90 degree cone right in front of the mob it'll count

[dreamy wedge]

I will test this later

[warm plinth]

@chrome falcon can you make a video that talks about how I'm a bad player

[spiral crypt]

Pretty sure dots still count from behind?

[toxic pewter]

this trinket any good

[mighty valley]

Depends what it's up against, it's not one of the strong trinkets but if you have nothing else in this ilvl range it's fine

[toxic pewter]

you think i should use it over 272 soleah or 278 scale

it gives me 20% worth of dmg, 10% dr

[urban portal]

And no strength

[toxic pewter]

yep

[urban portal]

Probably can give up the scale

But even then that’s sketch

[toxic pewter]

yeah i dont really want 2 on use trinkets

yeah exactly.. my scale is so clutch

[urban portal]

Cuz strength

[toxic pewter]

and str ya

[urban portal]

We’ll scale is nerfed

[mortal brook]

10% dr from it every now and again, vs a stat stick giving several % always

offensively simmable etm

[static aspen]

I defo hate onuse trinkets, cuz you have to use a button for them.

[urban portal]

Doesn’t have to

Macro it to avatar or shield slam

[static aspen]

Or that

[urban portal]

Just like how sigil is actually a passive trinket

Because you can just macro to pot

[cinder storm]

Ok so, workshop boss is not getting stunned by hammer but if car rams him he does get knock back

[mental pasture]

So, in general, when people write guides for tanks and they start talking about bis gear, do they tend to talk about best gear for tanking or the best gear for dps while you tank?

[wispy pawn]

Are prot warriors solo soaking shared suffering on Huntsman , if so how/with what cd's?

[dreamy wedge]

Bit late, but I was only able to get it on a non-cc'd mob that was attacking me by like, walking inside of them and jiggling them around a bit. So do-able but a bit awkward

[spiral crypt]

So putting up bleed didn't work still?

[slim zinc]

You would be surprised how often those two are correlated

[dreamy wedge]

Not from the front no! Had to get funky with the hitbox

[spiral crypt]

Interesting, apparently the blood plague from dk is supposed to work, sadly I only got 3 spells one so far so can't try it

[strong forum]

How is that a sadly

The 3 spells is already 85%+ uptime if you don't play around it

[spiral crypt]

'Cause minmax and mostly 'cause I wanna try if it works 😄

[dreamy wedge]

You can do the 3 spells by accident considering how abused the poor Ignore Pain button is these days

[south zealot]

im op asf

[ionic fern]

Biiiig

I can't even get into keys higher than 12

[jagged pier]

same

[ionic fern]

Did you get your rings?

[jagged pier]

check hot guys club

[ionic fern]

RIP

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Also, LIES.

[jagged pier]

maybe before raid

[ionic fern]

You are doing 15+'es.

Smh

[strong forum]

Imagine not having the rings yet lol

[jagged pier]

brah i get into like 1/20 15 i sign up for

[ionic fern]

😂

[jagged pier]

🖕

[ionic fern]

I have gotten ONE item.

[strong forum]

[ionic fern]

Total.

I also gave up on running NL in Lower/Upper kara.

[open gazelle]

Did codex get merged? I think the amount of damage it can absorb now got merged to the ground

[ionic fern]

Too many people die.

Banner drops all the time cause we gotta wait

Smh

[strong forum]

NL in Upper is defo a bit spicy

Gotta chain hard

[ionic fern]

Hard to chain when your DPS'ers die to everything and do 7k overall. 😦

[open gazelle]

Nerfed*

[ionic fern]

At this rate i will end up doing keys with 5 tank players as well just because they are like 20x times easier than with a normal group

[ionic fern]

No idea, haven't checked it.

What's the absorb?

[strong forum]

From what I've seen it's same as before

Not like 9.1, but like 9.2.5

[sick sentinel]

5 man tank GD

[strong forum]

I don't see the problem

[sick sentinel]

prot pala off heal

[strong forum]

?

Don't need healers

[jagged pier]

we dont take any damage

literally pointless to bring a healer

[sick sentinel]

Dam, Now I want to see a group do that

[strong forum]

Sure

[ionic fern]

Check Nome's stream.

[sick sentinel]

I remember all tanks raids in bfa

[ionic fern]

👀

He usually streams his 5 tank keys.

[jagged pier]

literally every key ive done this season the healer has healed me less than the dps in the group

[strong forum]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-sl-4/923644-16-grimrail-depot

And thats with both pallys doing sub 8k dps cuz they're not mains

[ionic fern]

TWO PROT WARRIORS?

WHAT IS THIS

[strong forum]

That was the key we'd've done with 4 pwars if you and jakey were around

[ionic fern]

😦

[jagged pier]

😦

[strong forum]

But jakey did workshop

[jagged pier]

BUT I NEED RINGS

[ionic fern]

I NEED KEYS

I'm still 272. 😦

[sick sentinel]

Thats crazy, and you were under time by 7 mins

[jagged pier]

😦

[ionic fern]

On the bright side...once S4 started i actually gained renown again through m+

So my NL went from 69 > 74

[strong forum]

We also timed lower kara 16 with 5 tanks

[ionic fern]

How did oyu do

Last bosse.

Can pally dispell?

[strong forum]

We just kill?

[ionic fern]

I honestly can't remember how much it hurts.

[sick sentinel]

forget last boss, How'd you meet the dmg check for maiden lmao

[strong forum]

The dot does nothing to us

[ionic fern]

Tanks slap.

[strong forum]

So we could rotate dwarfs

[ionic fern]

Really? The healer i was running with mustev been horrid then.

[strong forum]

But in reality, we had pally hearth out

[ionic fern]

😂

Everyone died to it.

[strong forum]

You see, dps can die

Tanks don't

[ionic fern]

Or maybe he dispelled the wrong person.

[strong forum]

Maiden we just kill

[ionic fern]

Je, maiden is np.

[jagged pier]

he dispelled the wrong person if u all died

[ionic fern]

Hardest part about pugging Lower kara atm is people pulling too many ushers and not looking away.
Or pulling everything down stairs without realising that there's a inspiring there and you can't kick Firelands portal.

That's how my lower kara keys get constantly RIP'ed this week atleast.

[strong forum]

We don't pull a single usher

We die after opera

[sick sentinel]

^

[strong forum]

And go down to attumen

[sick sentinel]

bro ive been doing that

[ionic fern]

Jeah, that's how you SHOULD do it.

But rando DPS'er smongo

[sick sentinel]

Ok everyone commit no live

go downstairs

[strong forum]

We do Opera - attumen - moroes - maiden

[ionic fern]

Smort.

I should probably check routes again. 😦

And percentages.

[jagged pier]

all keys are press W

best routes in the world

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[strong forum]

So you must like grimrail then

[mortal brook]

why chain when you can just all the thing.

train ride? more like a roller coaster

of fun!

[ionic fern]

I haven't done neither of the Warlords dungeons yet. 👀

[strong forum]

Our bear rolled away from bear cuz gavel degeneracy

[sick sentinel]

WoD dungeons are fine tanking, Dps and healing is

[mortal brook]

qq gotta press a thing every 4 minutes

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

It's degenerate

That gavel still exists

[ionic fern]

It can exist but ...nerf it please.

😦

[mortal brook]

i didnt complain when ruby and construct core were good for me either 👟

[mortal brook]

1 room a bit sketchy between inspired and all the stuns. unless you're immune to that sort of thing

7/8 dungeons pretty baer route friendly tho. good season

hek upper tho.

[ionic fern]

Upper only has like...2-3(?) big pulls.

[mortal brook]

and theyre all pretty breezy anyways

[ionic fern]

Jeah. 😦

Am i remembering it wrongly or did pulling Curator also pull all the mobs?.

[mortal brook]

mana eles havent even been barraging

all week

[ionic fern]

I knew something was missing...

[jagged pier]

🤫

[ionic fern]

I don't think i've seen Medivh doing that Flame thingy either now that i think about it.

Flame ...wreath?

Something.

[jagged pier]

mean u can pull them all

[mortal brook]

have seen. have been merc'd by it

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

depends which spell he chooses to cast

[mortal brook]

better than guardians tho

[mortal brook]

FR tho no bears around anymore. im like, top 10 bear which puts me at like top 1k tank kek

feels 8.0 again

except bear isnt as horrible as 8.0 bear

just population wise

[ionic fern]

Be smart like me..

Play on a server that is heavily populated by the opposite faction.

And then flex Realm ranks

Realm faction*

[mortal brook]

realm, faction, specific key level

[jagged pier]

if i wasnt stuck in mechgon prison i would push io maybe

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter my score is 800

R7

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[mortal brook]

i dont want to BRAG but when it comes to logged grimrail 11s, im doing pretty okay

[ionic fern]

Show off.

😂

Reminds me of a certain someone bragging about NM raid logs the day it got released.

[mortal brook]

ah yes

i fondly remember tuesday

10/10 heroic rank 1s

of 3

[ionic fern]

Still counts.

Make a screenshot.

And post it everywhere.

📈

[mortal brook]

[ionic fern]

Niiiiice.

[mortal brook]

fear my grimrail 11 supremacy

[ionic fern]

Already 1 day and no one has trumped it.

That's wild.

[static aspen]

Dead class. Competition vs corpses

[mortal brook]

thats all classes but yes, you're not wrong

[ionic fern]

SV being second worries me.

[ionic fern]

He couldn't show it for bears only because he was the only one.

[sweet summit]

true, all other bears busy doing +28 grimrails

[mortal brook]

hmm. i think 20 is highest baer cuz i have that

[static aspen]

Doing and completing is two different things

[ionic fern]

I mean

The R1 GDruid hasn't even done a +11

So idk

[mortal brook]

the competition is fierce i tell you what

[ionic fern]

Imo Steve>R1

[tame jasper]

@ionic fern Unity on Closk, Belt or Bracers if we can replace Helm? Rings are fir Mechsgon-Set, right?

[ionic fern]

🤷

[ionic fern]

I'm going to say

Yes

.To everything

[ionic fern]

😂

[tame jasper]

Thx

[mortal brook]

oh no. i have enjoyed this week but i will soon burn out until the next season and many fine bears with more resilience will surpass me handily

[tame jasper]

Icy veins doenst says anything about it, just about reprisal (or I‘m too blind 😂)

[ionic fern]

Really?

Thanks.

I'll update.

I thought i added it.

👀

[tame jasper]

I checked best gear and lego section but I didnt find anything about unity switch

[ionic fern]

But slap Unity on Cloak.

I felt so motivated a couple of days ago when i got my only item in S4 so far, a waist, to start doing Enlightened Rep farm so i can go from Friendly>Revered and get my UNity to somewhere other than Lego waist.

Only to google and find out that it takes a month of dailies

So i gave up.

[tame jasper]

Yeah will decide when I get helm. Atm I wear the karazhan neck/cloack sets, but the set bonus is almost nothing anyway

[strong forum]

Dam

Pumpers

[ionic fern]

Kara neck got nuked. 😦

Or well

[mortal brook]

kara neck is currently throttled

[ionic fern]

I guess it was nuked since the get-go

[mortal brook]

many throttled items have been updated for new threshold but theyre taking their damn time doing it one by one for some reason

[tame jasper]

Mine has speed and avoidance on it and therefor almost 30ilvl over my 262 avoidance neck

[ionic fern]

Imagine it actually just being a tooltip bug.

[tame jasper]

#protection message

There you see the neck

[mortal brook]

no leech? thought pwars loved leech

[tame jasper]

What do you mesn by throttled?

[sweet summit]

#fury message

[tame jasper]

I‘m no healer 😂

[mortal brook]

i mean its item level for the effect has an upper limit of ilvl 128

despite what ilvl you loot the gear at

and therefore does 60 dam instead of okay dam

[tame jasper]

Haha erga

[sweet summit]

imagine..

[mortal brook]

ty Erga

[ionic fern]

No,no, wrong expansion.

We love Leech NEXT expansion.

Apparently.

[mortal brook]

many other items are like that. upper kara ring was similarly limited and they updated the damage

[sweet summit]

hey, you loved leech last expansion 👀

[mortal brook]

same with mecha int staff

[ionic fern]

Yes, but i'm weird.

[sweet summit]

true

[mortal brook]

siphoner no siphoning!!

🦊

[tame jasper]

So you tell me im running a ilvl 128 neck with a 290 disguise?

[sweet summit]

the stats are 290
the effect is 128

[mortal brook]

base stats are all whatever you looted at, effect is just limited

but its whatever cuz the effect for choker doesnt eat into the budget anyways

so its free dam no matter

[tame jasper]

What the 🤬

[sweet summit]

but no haste so feel bad if free dam is small :(

[mortal brook]

but hold onto it cuz maybe they finally get around to fixing that

[ionic fern]

DO YOU EVEN LEECH

[mortal brook]

SIPHONER NO SIPHONING!

https://tenor.com/view/swiper-no-swiping-dora-the-gif-20974229

[mortal brook]

are you guys not tapping gcd cap anyways tho?

[sweet summit]

oh you didn't hear about the forbidden mastery bounty tech? 👀

[ionic fern]

Protection Warrior APM is only capped by the limitation of the human anatomy of having only 2 hands.

[mortal brook]

:hastedbleed: :hastekappa:

[spiral crypt]

Think I had like 30k dmg in a whole dung from that neck on my dk

[ionic fern]

The hidden tech is WW

[sweet summit]

[ionic fern]

With the current rage income we can ragecap for Bonegrinder easier.

[sweet summit]

signet bonegrinder nf

[ionic fern]

Don't tell anyone tho.

Let it be our secret.

[sweet summit]

i will not tell a soul

[strong forum]

Don't think any soul wants to hear about it

[mortal brook]

damn

[sweet summit]

wth

[mortal brook]

what if its a fun build

[ionic fern]

I know that change is scary Nom..but once you see the light you will embrace it

[mortal brook]

and sims high on enjoyment

[ionic fern]

The issue is that even when doing troll builds and you end up out DPS'ing your random PUG's you start realising how bad the average Joe is.

And then you sink into the bottom of depression.

Double edged sword.

[ionic fern]

But i'm not going to lie..the most fun i had was when i could get a ton of corruptions of various things and test around with them.

Like the leech builds.

NOT Vers tho

Down with Vers.

[static aspen]

Wait, we use ww in our rotation? Kekw

And where is revenge

WHERE IS REVENGE

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/955623730216833115.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[blazing condor]

Revenge is just an arc in front of you

Ww is all around you

Hits more

[sand pebble]

Shadowcore oil instead of sharpstone? All that missed ap in the ww spam

[queen bobcat]

it was an 18 though

[brittle owl]

AIN'T GOT TIME TO BE SAD WHEN YOU'RE SPINNING AT MACH 5

https://tenor.com/view/gw2-warrior-berserker-perro-lord-perro-gif-24864221

[crystal nest]

Are Anodized Deflectors from Workshop worth running?

[finite arch]

should we use this on every keybind on cd?

[tough inlet]

In #ui-addons-manager there was that:

SpiderDad — gestern um 01:33 Uhr
The ring puts a debuff on you whe you use it. The rings CD is 15s but the debuff s 30s and if you use the ring while the debuff is on you it sets the cool down to 5m, that's why

So no use on cd

[sand pebble]

no you only want to use it every 30 secs because of the debuff putting it on a 5m cd

[zinc shale]

Tried to do a 15 upper

told everyone to stack-dodge

reset the boss 5 times

someone died the first swirlies

fml

[dusk jay]

Why does that ring put a debuff on you that makes your cd 5m if you use it? Yikes, anyone have a weakaura to track when to use it?

[sweet summit]

gives it a chance to go to a 5 minute cooldown, more stacks = higher chance

i'll make a simple weak aura give me a sec

[hasty quest]

Guys, i have a question on dmg in grimrail: on trash inside the wagon i take lots of dmg

idk if i am playing wrong or for warrior is difficoult to survive

on druid was better

[toxic pewter]

you may be standing in stuff

[strong forum]

No, the effect is literally like 50dps, extremely bad

[sweet summit]

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[sand pebble]

this even worth it or just vendor it nmow

[sweet summit]

you have no valor cap so up to you if you have disposable valor

[crystal nest]

Thanks

[sand pebble]

i have recursion and a 291 inerva haste crit ring - i mean is the magic absorb really worth it over losing stam?

[jagged pier]

are u standing in sharpnel blast?

[strong forum]

The magic absorb is about 150hps

That's extremely weak

[sand pebble]

yeah thought so

[dusk jay]

thanks mate

[sweet summit]

there's also this one https://wago.io/9ki7Oo06B

[zinc shale]

man in heaven i might start inviting shadow priests to m+

[sweet summit]

how hard do they own after the buff

[zinc shale]

https://www.twitch.tv/kim_wu

hes just boosting right now

but theyre insane

wait actually not boosting, just trying to get trinket i guess

[hasty quest]

probably yes, also i think we struggle on mobs priority

[zinc shale]

So the buffs + giga haste from the affix, turns out it helps SPs a lot

[sweet summit]

epic

[zinc shale]

so, ST good... Cleave GOOOOOOOOD lol

[strong forum]

Spriest was never bad

Always loved a good spriest

[zinc shale]

as a former sp main

you're wrong

[fallen spindle]

is necro the covenant who is generating the most rage ?

[chrome falcon]

Necro is best by far yes

[fallen spindle]

to make rage ?

[chrome falcon]

Necro is best by far yes

[fallen spindle]

ok, so thats why that simc drops more executes into the sim 🙂

[queen bobcat]

Do I give up leech for the better stats? 🤔 I think no?

[toxic pewter]

I personally wouldn’t

[zinc shale]

i want to kms

[zealous willow]

is gambit bad at 19 ?

[zinc shale]

noe easy

[zealous willow]

im geting sometimes big hits

while i have shield block

is it me playing bad or its my shield being 226 😦

i speak for m18-20

[blazing condor]

Only hurt in gambit is the pirate dudes

Otherwise ez

[zealous willow]

idk im geting purged at m20 atm

[lofty widget]

got a log?

[zinc shale]

whats ur ilvl @zealous willow

[zealous willow]

269 with blood scale 236 and 226 shield 236 1h other gear is okish

[zinc shale]

+15 is scaled for around 278

[zealous willow]

maybe im bad idk i hope its my shield

but i cant find shield ......

can i simulate or compare 226 shield to 290 like block % dmg aand etc?

[cobalt seal]

why you doing 18's with 270?

don't you have a better trinket at like 278?

[zealous willow]

i do 18-20 to learn my class

and its fun

but

sometimes i get huge hits

[lofty widget]

if its only sometimes youre probably just not playing properly

but no way to tell without a log

[opal escarp]

Is Kyrian still played for push keys or is it just Necro all the way?

[dawn canyon]

necro all the way

[opal escarp]

ok ty for quick response

[dawn canyon]

[topaz field]

water bolts and brackish bolts are the only dangerous dmg sources in gambit

[zealous willow]

managed to do it 19 gambit

actualy was smooth

streets 1st room trash is hard hiting me only for now

[topaz field]

there are mobs who need to be purged for very high keys

couz they apply magic dmg

which is reflectable but only one time

but u will never see a purge since not a single dps will know about this

[zealous willow]

blood elf players sometimes do it

😄

but rare af

i ususly tell my healer to watch out for this ,but

guess

they dont much

[topaz field]

but those melee swings with magic dmg hurt a lot

[zealous willow]

yeah guess i get wreckt from that

[rugged mural]

Are people running LFR for SoD and SotFO this week for a chance at items that they can upgrade in the future?

[minor helm]

The items have to be fated so you can only do CN this week

[rugged mural]

Oh good. Thank you

[sick sentinel]

the gimmick is i'd have to do basically, or actually, a full clear of each of the 3 SL raids on normal yeah?

[minor helm]

Gimmick of what?

[sick sentinel]

cuz, im not super interested in the slime cat mount say, and i think the s4 m+ mount was also a bit poopy compared to one i was after at least

same mode but its purple now i think?

yeah, i feel like darkblue/purple is a very odd choice to match with the bright gold armor or whatever it is on it, at least the gems match this time looking at the gems on the armor and back pieces (red gems and black /green body on season 1, armor grey matches, similiar thing for s2, bright green dude and blue gems.)

[undone verge]

Idk I like both mounts, didn’t really like the season 1 mount, it just didn’t really appeal to me

[timid notch]

Long time tank (Old school bear, VDH and BrM last few expansions) guild wants me to consider prot for mythic raiding into DF.. seems simple enough in basic "rotation" for maintaining threat and AM , but my first impression is that there are TON of CDs and many of them with off/def implications like demo shout or last stand (with conduits). Certainly a lot more buttons. My question is for other warriors who have tanked on other classes (vdh/brm specifically) how do you qualify the differences between them? Are these nuances? or do all of these abilities need optimal use to be competant? Short version - how do you quantify the skill floor and skill ceiling of prot war?

[sick sentinel]

imagine they take the red gems from the armor, and put it on the red boy

[chrome falcon]

Uh ok that’s a very long post asking a kind of vague question

Prot warrior is quite hard right now just because you need about 80 cpm to be optimal and ideally closer to 90

[zinc shale]

clicks per minute?

[chrome falcon]

But essentially your cooldowns are like this

Casts per minute

[sick sentinel]

basicall yes

[chrome falcon]

You use demo shout on cool-down for damage