Which is 12% vers
#protection
oblique garnet
distant crystal
yeah it's just garbo
strong forum
for non-tanks, maybe
distant crystal
i get the sentiment, but ppl would be more likely to just gear full vers
and still take haste
strong forum
but itll be exclusively used to avoid 1shots
distant crystal
or crit if that's their best
waxen frigate
but itll be exclusively used to avoid 1shots
yes, that's what i'm saying lol
open bluff
if you're one shot, it's more likely a skill issue even as a non-tank
lofty widget
but that would be a straight rank1 key thing
strong forum
yeah its not the concern of anybody here
lofty widget
yea
open bluff
bleeding edge yeah you'll take vers
waxen frigate
which unfortunately means dumbasses will watch streams and copy their strats
distant crystal
it's still just not worth though lol
waxen frigate
see: people using codex
open bluff
current key levels though, if you're getting one shot it's a skill issue
distant crystal
you could just gear heavy vers and it's a better tradeoff
waxen frigate
i agree
oblique garnet
waxen frigate
right now, no reason to take vers
open bluff
99% of kara wipes for example is due to people not knowing the dungeon
oblique garnet
Lost banner in the end because we stopped to ress 
waxen frigate
99% of kara wipes for example is due to people not knowing the dungeon
ehh
in lower, ya
upper... medivh fucking trucks if you get flame wreaths
and even if not
south zealot
is the mechagon shield that does damage even remotely worth it
lofty widget
medivh trucks.
strong forum
is the mechagon shield that does damage even remotely worth it
no
lofty widget
everything he does
chrome falcon
is the mechagon shield that does damage even remotely worth it
it doesn't actually do damage
south zealot
seems like it wont do much dps because the shield is so skall
waxen frigate
i think in the 20 i was trying
lofty widget
is the mechagon shield that does damage even remotely worth it
only for ilvl
waxen frigate
it was 40k every 2sec from wreath alone
chrome falcon
because the absorb that reflects damage goes away instantly
waxen frigate
and then 20k every 2sec if you let a fire cast go off
chrome falcon
i ran that thing for all of 8.3 because i never got a real shield
and often in raids it would be literal 0 damage
distant crystal
you're not gonna have much affix built up by then to make an appreciable difference on that fight imo
south zealot
medivh is what
2nd in upper yeah
open bluff
medivh is the only real pain point in upper tbh, make it past him and you're home free as long as you don't fuck up viz
waxen frigate
including miniboss
lofty widget
i think in the 20 i was trying
we tried on a 22, he spawned the birds and we insta wiped 
open bluff
and yeah, in 20s on week 1 he's gonna truck
waxen frigate
we tried on a 22, he spawned the birds and we insta wiped <:keks:936231610850897...
we just ran out of kicks on our 20
fire cast
done
open bluff
lower levels, he's just a healer and interrupt check
chrome falcon
what are you actually meant to do on the guy before medivh
waxen frigate
oh ya ur fine then
lofty widget
what are you actually meant to do on the guy before medivh
skip him
waxen frigate
what are you actually meant to do on the guy before medivh
the first boss?
oh the fire dude
chrome falcon
no the mob
waxen frigate
ya skip always
distant crystal
we just did it all wrong and almost wiped but overgeared it on our 16 or w/e
south zealot
the pyromancer or the charging dude
lofty widget
he drops aggro whenever he charges
chrome falcon
the charging dude
lofty widget
so dps wil lalways die unless you can pixel perfect taunt
chrome falcon
yeah i mean i can taunt him instantly but it feels like the charge alone kills people
vocal cave
I really cant figure out last boss in grimrail, these patches seems so random
south zealot
skip
chrome falcon
I really cant figure out last boss in grimrail, these patches seems so random
seem random, you say?
south zealot
I really cant figure out last boss in grimrail, these patches seems so random
they are mostly on areas where people are
south zealot
but as fight goes on it goes in extra areas
open bluff
^
distant crystal
and heal me 4head
waxen frigate
I really cant figure out last boss in grimrail, these patches seems so random
so, this is really only useful for healers and ranged DPS but
distant crystal
and also lust at 50% to burn him down before he burns you down
waxen frigate
open bluff
there's a small strip that will never get hit
distant crystal
saw that
distant crystal
so troll lmao
cinder nova
<:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
The fuck is that? A WA?
oblique garnet
The fuck is that? A WA?
Details breakdown
distant crystal
aren't there 4 spots like that?
cinder nova
Is it a plugin
distant crystal
or only that one?
lofty widget
stand there and you never take floor dam
great tech
strong forum
its literally details-> auras
waxen frigate
aren't there 4 spots like that?
they dont all work
strong forum
instead of dmg breakdown
waxen frigate
I know for sure bottom right works
strong forum
its default
waxen orbit
Protecting bit band or the haste one?
waxen frigate
healer ive been running with is going to test next time we do GD
waxen orbit
I'm going on a limb and saying haste
chrome falcon
haste
lofty widget
haste
lofty widget
ofc 
waxen orbit
south zealot
i have 2 from junkyard
cinder nova
I did a cursed mecha and the DH with an 8K overall that accounted for 75% of our deaths via standing in shit got a ring
south zealot
one of them is the 50% and the other is the 3 hit
strong forum
3hit is bis
pallid quiver
That's a good equipment set name, Nome
cinder nova
Is there a resource for the breakdown on our non-tier slot catalyst items? In terms of secondaries.
e.g. if I get a shitty 291 belt that's mast heavy and I can turn it to haste heavy, I'd like to know without flying to ZM because I'm lazy as hell
oblique garnet
e.g. if I get a shitty 291 belt that's mast heavy and I can turn it to haste hea...
Atleast you can fly in ZM
sweet summit
cloak is crit > mast
wrist is haste > crit
belt is vers > crit
boots is vers > mast
cinder nova
Looks like the only one worth it is wrists
Do we still not have any idea where we're rebuilding leggos for ideal stats?
cinder nova
I assume wrists and cloak if that's even possible
sweet summit
reprisal has to stay boots
south zealot
reprisal is boots
sweet summit
neck/wrists/cloak the two former being better for free socket
cinder nova
Oh wait, but we want wrists if the thorns neck gets buffed, yeah?
south zealot
id go wrists
sweet summit
extremely big if
cinder nova
Think they're just gonna leave it?
sweet summit
i think they're just gonna leave it
cinder nova
Erga owes me gold if they tune it
chrome falcon
i dunno they fixed the thing on moroes
and that was the most disgusting mechanic visibility ever back then
so maybe they care now
strong forum
i put my unity on cloak cuz wrists from CC are good
south zealot
i hate moroes
strong forum
and there are no good cloaks from m+
zinc shale
Did sockets on items pass over in CC craft?
strong forum
Did sockets on items pass over in CC craft?
yes
cinder nova
Isn't there a mythic cloak from SLG tho
south zealot
gottem
cinder nova
Do they both have the same budget?
strong forum
yes
south zealot
we dont really have a good main hand right
cinder nova
I think SLG cloak wasn't haste heavy and wrists were huh
sweet summit
the only slot we can't get 311 is belt
strong forum
we dont really have a good main hand right
?
south zealot
no haste vers from last boss
cinder nova
Is mecha blowtorch not any good?
sweet summit
good on ST
lofty widget
vers is nice, but have you seen crit?
marsh aurora
Pika would disagree
desert solstice
Got this trinket from raid today, is it any good?
south zealot
if u kill the enemy you cant die
chrome falcon
no
desert solstice
I had a 265 earthbreakers from Halondrus
chrome falcon
i mean it's fine defensively
cinder nova
It's a worse BSS
marsh aurora
Fun and lower Kara in the same sentence
waxen frigate
Got this trinket from raid today, is it any good?
Nomegalul
chrome falcon
it's a decent size absorb
waxen frigate
50k?
cinder nova
And we're gonna be so chonky that BSS isn't even gonna be relative
waxen frigate
oh
south zealot
i use opc 😂
south zealot
whats bss
chrome falcon
scale
waxen frigate
scale from dos
south zealot
oh
marsh aurora
The only defensive trinket I'd use would be aegis now that scale is gone
cinder nova
OWS and RDM are gonna be the generic combo probably, or OWS and Faulty if you can get it (doubt it).
marsh aurora
And splintered heart but that's just me
waxen frigate
RDM is hardly a defensive trinket tho
cinder nova
Otherwise you could do Aegis for M+, but I personally meh
south zealot
i use 252 segis and opc
lofty widget
is legion tw m+ still available?
strong forum
vintage gets some decent milage
south zealot
no ows
strong forum
RDM is hardly a defensive trinket tho
its 1k+ hps and has a mini cheat death built in?
waxen frigate
vintage is just... odd to me
sweet summit
is legion tw m+ still available?
will be soon
waxen frigate
its 1k+ hps and has a mini cheat death built in?
ya but like idk i consider it a dps trink with a defensive bonus
zealous willow
Guys i'm 264 and my max key is 15 atm , i farm 10-12 mostly to get gear , cus i started the season as 234 ilvl. My problem is im with 226 shield and i cant get it ....
Now the question . I'm worried abt next week forti , if i dont get from vault a shield and end up tanking 10-15 with that shield would i be able to farm stuff ?
sweet summit
17th
cinder nova
This next rotation is your only chance to get FCM this season i think?
strong forum
ya but like idk i consider it a dps trink with a defensive bonus
its a better codex
strong forum
like a real fat codex
waxen frigate
strong forum
for any tank
waxen frigate
ya i know i want one for brew
cinder nova
It's the codex codex wishes it was.
lofty widget
codex is good in theory, just weak af
strong forum
matrix is one of the best tank trinkets in the game
waxen frigate
it's just not that strong of a defensive trink
vs scale (previously) or aegis
imo
chrome falcon
youtube is taking its mf time processing this grimrail run good lord
waxen frigate
ya kidna like codex
strong forum
and remove entire hits from jailer dot
strong forum
except matrix does alot more dmg
waxen frigate
ya
strong forum
and has mainstat
mighty valley
Guys i'm 264 and my max key is 15 atm , i farm 10-12 mostly to get gear , cus i ...
you can definitely do 10-15s if you play well
marsh aurora
Matrix over aegis?
waxen frigate
shit idk for warrior lol
for brew at least it's like an 8sec (or whatever) invuln in keys
cinder nova
I'm not sold on aegis, but some people swear by it because they like the extra defensive.
south zealot
i think aegis is so good
strong forum
aegis is the same for warri
cinder nova
Still see lots of warriors climbing w/o it though
strong forum
straight up 8sec immunity
south zealot
you get to do some really sketchy shit with it
strong forum
for ultra defensive combo youd run matrix + aegis
mighty valley
aegis is bad if you're a good player doing keys below your level, great for everyone else
south zealot
matrix aegis and ur just unkillable 😂
waxen frigate
aegis is bad if you're a good player doing keys below your level, great for ever...
if you're a good player doing keys below your level why woudl you ever use a def trinket tho
cinder nova
^
marsh aurora
I haven't tried aegis on pwar but it was amazing on druid, the outside of Incarn survivability was really good
strong forum
aegis is goated for every tank but bdk
mighty valley
yeah, that's just the only argument i ever see against it - "why do you need a defensive"
strong forum
matrix is goated period
waxen frigate
i literally havent used a defensive trinket in months outside of niche cases
jagged pier
trade please
strong forum
ive not used a defensive trinket in all of SL
mighty valley
and you only can't find use for 8s of immunity if you're doing something that doesn't challenge you much
waxen frigate
im an SL baby so
strong forum
but i have used matrix
waxen frigate
BSS carried me through my first key season lol
strong forum
cuz you dont lose value by running it
cinder nova
If you aren't doing really, really high keys you technically don't need to be running def trinkets. You might want them as a failsafe, which I guess?? but I'm not big on that mindset. I'd rather just try and refine than get into crutch habits unless I'm at that point - which has been like... twice across two expansions, so not a lot.
strong forum
whereas you can lose value of pure defensive trinkets if you dont need em
waxen frigate
now this is my current main setup on brew lol
strong forum
ya thats huge
south zealot
ive always ran aegis because its either that or the jailer trinket
strong forum
actually disgusting trinkets
south zealot
dont have any else
south zealot
now this is my current main setup on brew lol
🥵
mighty valley
it's not failsafe or crutch, it's to do pulls you couldn't do without the CD
marsh aurora
Damn that's hot
marsh aurora
The only issue with that combo is that it's on a brew but
waxen frigate
more like 15-20%
marsh aurora
Still hot
waxen frigate
The only issue with that combo is that it's on a brew but
tf
south zealot
dumb question but you always use tier set on shield slam right
mighty valley
yeah
i mean, in keys, it's ok to hit a few TCs, especially when you're drowning in rage anyway
but try and plan for all SSs
marsh aurora
tf
Idk my only experience with brew is me walking into a pack in hoa and getting one shotted, like literally, haven't touched it ever since
waxen frigate
Idk my only experience with brew is me walking into a pack in hoa and getting on...
skill issue
😛
the whole point of brew
is u cant get one shotted
strong forum
except against magic
south zealot
yeah ive tried to do some thunderclaps in lower keys for big damage with avatar and the conduit but its not great
marsh aurora
Can't cleanse stagger if I'm dead in a millisecond
waxen frigate
Can't cleanse stagger if I'm dead in a millisecond
you didnt have shuffle then
marsh aurora
Probably not
waxen frigate
the only time brew will ever get one shotted
mighty valley
TC needs a huge number of targets to break even on damage, and then still loses 30 rage net
waxen frigate
is when keg smash is still in the air if you pull with it
lofty widget
yeah ive tried to do some thunderclaps in lower keys for big damage with avatar ...
outburst tc is more dmg on +6 targets but not something you should aim for if youre struggling with banner
marsh aurora
I'm a 1head gdruid main tho
waxen frigate
based
south zealot
seems legit
waxen frigate
i tanked with a gdruid last tier
in raid
i basically solo'd everything
and he just would taunt swap sometimes
grave needle
is their a weak aura for prot tier proc?
sweet summit
two in the pins and plenty on wago
marsh aurora
Seeing Red / Outburst tracker
Seeing Red rage tracker in bar form made by @hazy edge
It accurately reads how much rage you've spend/need to spend until you hit your next outburst proc.
Seeing Red rage tracker in stack form
grave needle
/bow
waxen frigate
Bear stance st damage is garbage
ya and i like taking dam as brew to pad
🙂
how u think i got a 98.4 parse avg
😤
soloing mythic andy intermission
marsh aurora
that's a stupid mechanic of brew imho
waxen frigate
that's a stupid mechanic of brew imho
it's incredibly stupid and i love it
i love going full adderall zoomer on my pulls
and it incentivizes that
in my last 4 keys, 16s and 17s, I have been 2nd or 3rd in dps
orchid mortar
How much weaker is Kyrian than Necro? I´ve tried going back to Kyrian to relax a bit this week, but honestly feels like it plays so much worse.
chrome falcon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkIdK67w8o&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols @oblique garnet hd finally finished so it's actually watchable
kyrian is a lot worse
you're much less tanky and have much less rage
waxen frigate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkIdK67w8o&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols <...
pls put thomas the tank engine's face
orchid mortar
Yeah, it was ironic, I went kyrian to farm keys and relax, but it plays so much worse that in pugs with weak healers it actually feels more stressful to be Kyrian
dawn canyon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkIdK67w8o&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols <...
Good thumbnail
marsh aurora
is the 720p just because the rest of it didn't load ? or are you guys playing on Classic screens ?
orchid mortar
kyrian is a lot worse
Just needed confirmation that I wasn´t crazy. Ty.
waxen frigate
if he just uploaded, its probably not in HD yet
sweet summit
late playing emeni 
waxen frigate
youtube takes time to process HD
chrome falcon
late playing emeni <:weird:718676218500874320>
marsh aurora
wait is that his shield block timer above his rage ?
sweet summit
yea
chrome falcon
i messed up the cropping
marsh aurora
yeah but the way it fits into the ui
sweet summit
aye it's clean
marsh aurora
wtb his ui
dawn canyon
@chrome falcon oh you swapped ui?
sweet summit
might be atrocity's or?
dawn canyon
That's atrocity innit
chrome falcon
no this is late's gameplay
marsh aurora
that's late's ggamepaly
marsh aurora
so this is peak pwar play hmm
sweet summit
late owns
dawn canyon
Late owns hard
chrome falcon
yeah i don't really mention in the video much but late absolutely fucking blasts everything
marsh aurora
the guy doesn't even track IP on his main UI section
sweet summit
because it is irrelevant currently
lofty widget
cause its not really rellevant ye
oblique garnet
@chrome falcon this one part with the flametongue i didnt know it was a thing on the ground until later today because its impossible to see with inspired + ravagers if its in melee lmao
south zealot
yeah consistently looking at ignore pain doesnt seem important
chrome falcon
yeah flametongue is totally fucking impossible to see
it's like an orange shade on the ground
at this point i just look at debuffs to see if they're in it
sweet summit
eternal hatred for grimrail voters
south zealot
i didnt vote bc i never did wod dungeons as CC
oblique garnet
Also figured out the way to make 2nd boss real easy
1 boomer spawns on left side the next wave is 2 on right side and its out from cannon in less than a minute
summer pelican
i get insane amount of dmg from last mini on first boss
oblique garnet
And if you dont go to the otherside they just fall through the middle and die and then you end up doing this "forced rp" that i did 
lofty widget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xkIdK67w8o&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols <...
nice vid man, do you have any plans to make ones on kara as well?
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
sweet summit
@sick sentinel
do i quit or do i play an alt
what class
don't have shaman at 60
uhh
monk, rogue, dh, dk and lock
oblique garnet
@chrome falcon Nice video 
waxen frigate
sigma build
chrome falcon
thanks
sweet summit
it's between rogue, monk and dk i think
chrome falcon
waxen frigate
it's between rogue, monk and dk i think
come to the brew side
also those are my 3 favorite classes
Brew, outlaw, FDK
sweet summit
would definitely just play ww if monk is on the table
waxen frigate
cringe
sweet summit
not getting thrown into tank prison on another alt
waxen frigate
for Outlaw vs FDK
sweet summit
🏃♂️
waxen frigate
it's basically
do u wanna be a gigachad every 2min
or be a gigachad all the time, but less on big pulls
outlaw is like one of the most consistent dps specs in the game
south zealot
what is uptime on blade flurry
oblique garnet
Yes
sweet summit
why is outlaw good now
oblique garnet
it got buffed last patch
sweet summit
ah
oblique garnet
and well these dungeons are also kinda hold W
so no need to restealth all the time
sweet summit
guess we learn frost then
oblique garnet
guess we learn frost then
rotund sluice
anyone have good info on what's reflectable in iron docks?
the sheet is empty for docks 😦
south zealot
thinking about it, idk if anything is
besides second boss blood bolt
i cant remember reflecting anything else
rotund sluice
second boss caster bolts?
south zealot
yes
rotund sluice
i assumed that. was hoping there might also be some trash stuff but the entire dungeon is pretty physical dominant
marsh aurora
@oblique garnet is your ui atrocity's one ?
oblique garnet
Yeah
I started only playing on wednesday again and havent made any changes to it yet
Or well besides fixing the banner WA
oblique garnet
Yeah
marsh aurora
that looks very clean
oblique garnet
It is
marsh aurora
unlike the camera angles on that depot run
oblique garnet
One of the reasons im using his UI is tho because i used to do alot of multiclassing and it has weakauras for every spec
So no matter what spec im playing its always the similiar oook
marsh aurora
i used afenar before switching to naowhs one
but a lot of tracking are pretty meh on it
cinder nova
@chrome falcon post your ui on wago or something it's clean af
chrome falcon
it's lates
oblique garnet
Its atrocitys
chrome falcon
which is actually apparently atrocitys
cinder nova
Kekw
chrome falcon
my UI is much worse
marsh aurora
https://wago.io/dbVlqtWNw this thing ?
oblique garnet
Nice
oblique garnet
Yeah
dawn canyon
my UI is much worse <:keks:936231610850897992>
ur ToT is so weirdly placed 
safe granite
Hello Guys, what do you choose from the shrouded affix?
oblique garnet
Haste
zealous willow
the diff between tazavesh , mechagon and KARA is huge wtf is blizard doing
big nerf hammer is coming
oblique garnet
People are still trying to do w/e cheese shit they did in legion and blizzard is just patching them out
You just have to actually play the mechanics in kara
left temple
Upper isn’t overly hard in terms of throughput
But medivh is a legitimately hard boss with no comms
cinder storm
After wiping an hour in kara and timing keys after said wipe, it's really not a bad dungeon, something do hit hard but its just very mechanical
cinder storm
"u made this dungeon so much worse"
brittle owl
if u can't stand the beef
left temple
medivh is straight throughput
Medivh becomes way easier with good coordination
brittle owl
get out the kitchen
cinder storm
I made it better you donkey!
brittle owl
waxen frigate
Medivh becomes way easier with good coordination
on high keys (20+) it requires tons of kick coordination and defensives, as well as throughput
and if you get double flame wreath
it's done
left temple
For a 15 it’s mostly about coordination
left temple
Obviously doing higher keys, especially early season
chrome falcon
but yeah medivh kinda rng fight sometimes
left temple
Throughout will be an issue
Sometimes you get a ton of arcane missiles
Your tank gets reamed
But the fight is a joke because of it
waxen frigate
you can't get double flame wreath
you can get it twice in a fight
cinder storm
He means back to back
chrome falcon
sure but not consecutively
waxen frigate
yeah
left temple
At least you can always have lust for medivh
left temple
Lust curator
Wipe a few times
Lust medivh
Wipe a few more times
Lust mana devourer
runic sparrow
We found lusting curator didnt really make sense. We two phase it anyways so the lust bascially did nothing
waxen frigate
agree
runic sparrow
Just feels bad to hold lust for so long
waxen frigate
pot it, but dont lust
left temple
It’s just a question of if you’re willing to lose a lust cast
waxen frigate
somewhere around there
cinder storm
And then someone forgets to kick a frostbite and the other person kicks the fire cast
waxen frigate
34-38 range
runic sparrow
Wouldt exactly say mana devourer is free, but its less hard than medivh atleast
waxen frigate
as of yesterday at least, orbs were not filling its mana
cinder storm
its been fixed
runic sparrow
oof
cinder storm
but soaking as a tank is just too hard, the boss moves with you and sometimes they spawn under its hitbox
fervent trail
is there an FAQ for prot updated to this season?
left temple
Press shield block
runic sparrow
idk i honestly think lower is easier after nerfs
left temple
Win game
cinder storm
read about carpal tunnel
left temple
Ah my favourite
zealous willow
i wish we could reflect medvih arcane missles too
glacial skiff
Which bounty does protection take in keys currently?
glacial skiff
Over vers?
cinder storm
Always haste
glacial skiff
Ok, why?
urban portal
vers is 1%
haste is 2%
crit has no defensive value
you hard DR on mastery due to banner
glacial skiff
Yeah I know it’s haste or vers. Just trying to understand the reason for 1 over the other
zealous willow
crit has some deff value = parry
zealous willow
then its fucked up
urban portal
that being said crit is still highest damage
urban portal
haste is the best in general
left temple
= more epic
urban portal
and easier on banner
zealous willow
haste is fun as hell
cinder storm
Vers is never going to be the play unless you are pushing for top 50 pwar at the highest level, and even then haste will probably will continue to be the play
glacial skiff
My thought is haste was traditionally used for SB CD/SS resets and auto rage. While that helps defensively our primary source of defense is reprisal power right? Wouldn’t vers be better if we’re not struggling with SB uptime?
cinder storm
Once you have exhausted all the reasons as to how you can survive pack per pack, then you can consider vers as an option
urban portal
My thought is haste was traditionally used for SB CD/SS resets and auto rage. Wh...
reprisal is a supplement
more rage=more IP
and more banner
zealous willow
vers might be good if they make it at least 1.5%
cinder storm
And we are already really tanky as we are
zealous willow
1% over 2% haste is sad
urban portal
your hard casted blocks still maeks up most of your shield block uptime
glacial skiff
I’ve been running kyrian for just low keys but yeah
True but the defense granted by reprisal is huge.
zealous willow
the only think i dont like is we cant stack shield block to unlimited time
cinder storm
Play banner, its super fun
glacial skiff
Eh, I play kyrian when I don’t feel my dps will outdo my damage gain as kyrian
cinder storm
Banner does more damage than kyrian
cinder nova
But medivh is a legitimately hard boss with no comms
Bet money someone will make a WA to automate it
glacial skiff
Banner does more damage than kyrian
In what world?
Banner can theoretically allow your group to do more damage, but I promise you if you know how to play kyrian properly you will do more as kyrian.
left temple
Banner > Kyrian if you actually get the uptime
More rage = more revenge + more anger management CDR + more ignore pain
sweet summit
Banner can theoretically allow your group to do more damage, but I promise you i...
ur not in a dps channel bro
necro fucking owns for prot
pallid quiver
Banner can theoretically allow your group to do more damage, but I promise you i...
based on your statement there, I assume you are pretty deeply out of the loop. We pretty much never press Banner to support the group. It's 100% a selfish buff atm
chrome falcon
Banner can theoretically allow your group to do more damage, but I promise you i...
tell me you're trolling
or you forgot which channel you're in
pallid quiver
They were talking about reprisal and everything up above a bit before hand, as well as asking why haste is useful, so I think that they're just straight out of the loop
mighty egret
yo is stun grenade from docks good
drifting fable
nah
mighty egret
just got 1
chrome falcon
it's not bad
pallid quiver
it's better than garbo trinkets
chrome falcon
but it's nothing compared to what we're getting next week
drifting fable
better than nothing
pallid quiver
but there's a lot better you can grab, es-
mighty egret
yeah i figured
pallid quiver
yeah next week
mighty egret
sitting on a soleahs so ill keep that
drifting fable
soleahs is better than the grenade for sure
grave crane
i feel like grenade is probably bad tbh
pallid quiver
So as someone who hasn't raided in years, are there any video guide makers for raids people recommend watching? I remember Fatboss being the way to go back in MoP, but I'm pretty sure those guys broke apart, didn't they?
i want to look up on sod before mashing my face into the raid next week
drifting fable
i use tank notes if i dont know the fight and then just watch senses vods for general fight sense
sturdy sable
@pallid quiver stanky games is aight
chrome falcon
stanky is fine and yeah i always check out sense's videos
pallid quiver
Got it, thanks
mighty egret
so ows next week
sturdy sable
Gang gang gang gang
sick sentinel
So. . . Whys warrior popping up more and more? 👀
chrome falcon
because people are starting to realise that we're strong
nothing appreciable has changed about the class
people are just realising that all the shit they've been talking for the last year was wrong
sturdy sable
And its looking pog-u next expansion (hopefully)
sick sentinel
The 30% haste is pretty sexy ngl from dungeons
Having such a high up time on Banner is kinda sexy. . .
chrome falcon
you had high uptime on banner without 30% haste
chrome falcon
understandable i'll allow it
waxen orbit
people are just realising that all the shit they've been talking for the last ye...
Maybe that plus the buffs
chrome falcon
the buffs are not major enough for a class as bad as people thought we were to suddenly become good
they help though
waxen orbit
We were alright
waxen orbit
But the buffs make us genuinely good
For actual pushing
So casuals and low pushers now think “Wait a minute we can play this spec??”
cinder nova
Always could
chrome falcon
yeah that's probably a better explanation than mine
waxen orbit
Exactly; it’s just that most of the community relies on r/wow and Max for any sort of info on the game
Rather than deducing things themselves
echo canyon
are the anodized Deflectors (bracer from mechagon) good for prot war?
echo canyon
whit parry and avoidance on use
waxen orbit
Discard it
cinder nova
Vendor spec upgrade for sure
strong forum
Cc fodder
bold nimbus
bold nimbus
cobalt seal
<:copium:839076283467431956>
why did you loot as prot?
(unless you want to kill dps with the proc ofc) then you did great
bold nimbus
why did you loot as prot?
Theres no other loot on sun 😄 and wanted to test my luck i guess rip now
waxen orbit
I mean it’s a good trinket
cobalt seal
strong forum
It's only a good trinket if you plan on pushing ultra omega keys
waxen orbit
bold nimbus
waxen orbit
Fuck you
I have run that shit
17 times
Got every ring
Except overclock
GOD
Bro please
hazy edge
But hey in other news
Which ring did you use to proc it?
waxen orbit
Just give me a crumb of luck Nome
hazy edge
Recursive?
waxen orbit
I’m already at 40% base haste
strong forum
3 spell
waxen orbit
I will literally be immortal if I get that ring
strong forum
With the proc im at 40% too ye
waxen orbit
I mean 40% no proc
oblique garnet
I have *the* combo
Speaking of, anyone have any workshop keys?
waxen orbit
With proc I’ll be 1000 CPM
strong forum
Just did our last workshop I think
And I'm bedge anyway
Can't see shit
Eyes dry af
oblique garnet
I mean 40% no proc
43% 
south zealot
imagine not having 3 spell and overclocking
oblique garnet
south zealot
you cant get those trinkets right
oblique garnet
no
blazing condor
south zealot
thats what i thought
brittle owl
why would you delete the objectively best trinket in the entire game
oblique garnet
sad part is that its still only half of ows atm
south zealot
same i need ows too
oblique garnet
Im still missing the set bonus ring
jagged pier
Im still missing the set bonus ring
same
brittle owl
sad part is that its still only half of ows atm
imagine ever socketing out of the laser punch card
south zealot
im not
strong forum
Cyclo go brr
oblique garnet
imagine ever socketing out of the laser punch card
you can always buy laser punch card
brittle owl
i didnt say you couldnt
sweet summit
so much
brittle owl
no you dont
south zealot
why is this a thing
outplayed
bold nimbus
oblique garnet
why is this a thing
ayo why didnt you ask me
sweet summit
because we were full + i did not know you needed ws
oblique garnet
you doing more and still full?
chrome falcon
oblique garnet
Its fun
sweet summit
wanna come?
oblique garnet
Uh after this +3 WS
sweet summit
lmfao down bad
chrome falcon
so far my loot from this season
oblique garnet
Guildie was down bad for tank so he dmed me xd
oblique garnet
Honestly id kinda want the sunking trinket
glacial skiff
tell me you're trolling
If you’re just spamming like 15’s I’m not. For any key higher than yeah necro’s better, nobody’s arguing that. If you’re pulling like 3+ packs though kyrian outshines necro.
strong forum
I got skriekwing boots, alars and slg shield
chrome falcon
If you’re just spamming like 15’s I’m not. For any key higher than yeah necro’s ...
this is simply false my guy
kyrian adds a flat amount of damage to your dps
necro multiplies your dps
if you are a good player necro will do more
this is a settled debate
robust quiver
Is unstoppable force really that bad?
chrome falcon
yes
robust quiver
Sad
robust quiver
robust quiver
Idk, i didn't play bfa prot so i feel like i'm missing out
zealous willow
if they buff the dmg of barbed reins neck will it be bis ?
sweet summit
if it does big damage yes
glacial skiff
You’re talking about spear itself, which is true but you’re not counting the crit bonus I assume and literally spamming revenge and using the proc/intervene proc making revenge do 50% more with best served cold.
chrome falcon
if they buff a thing the thing will be better yes
glacial skiff
In that instance you can do substantially more damage than necro can
oblique garnet
current playstyle is high octane gameplay
chrome falcon
yes your crit bonus on a cooldown is very nice but it's not 408 mastery and 24% strength and 4 rage per second
sweet summit
ok but necrolord is objectively numerically better regardless
chrome falcon
necro is better than kyrian
like i said you're 6-7 months late to the debate
numbers do not support your position
glacial skiff
Idk I’ll do testing later but I’m still skeptical
cinder storm
I don't think you have done high content to be able to tell the difference, hence, why you are skeptical, you can run meme builds atm or stay as kyrian, but you will have an easier time if you learn necro now, if you plan on moving to higher content that is
But if anyone can tell you and WILL tell you how to play better and what is better, is Matta, everyone else will also help but Matta is usually 24/7 eating logs and chewing them out
jagged pier
Im thinking of getting crit from the buff instead of haste because keys dont hurt atm
And i dont need the haste
chrome falcon
I don't think you have done high content to be able to tell the difference, henc...
their point is moreso that kyrian is better in just blasting easy keys
not that kyrian is better overall
and that might feel right but it is wrong overall
cinder storm
Yeah, I get that part, but if keys are easy then one should be pulling even more and necro rage regen would help even more so
Even on a lower key, like, you can either group mobs and wait for your spear and then nothing much, or pull consistently and bigger and continue the dpsfiesta
But it also depends what people define by "easy key", any 15s atm is arguably an easy key
novel agate
Trinket from Iron Docks good?
cinder storm
It's an ok upgrade if you have nothing else
bold nimbus
mighty valley
"taunt please i need to proc my ring"
south zealot
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550>
😩
shut summit
drifting juniper
second boss of street pulling everyone and killing em with quaking is something annoying and shouldnt exist
its not fun and it has no work around
glacial skiff
Yeah, you’re right. That’s my current opinion but I’m sure I just need to try necro more to see. Sorry if I came across incorrect
grave needle
how does everyone feel about swfitys new video?
urban portal
"taunt please i need to proc my ring"
Apparently it’s 270 degrees
Just go to the side
alpine shard
just had a prot warrior in my group with 15% shield block uptime in a dungeon 🙂
sick sentinel
been a while since i did CN
we did phase 1 after low dps, and then im not sure but we wiped at like 50%, went south, (lfr, figured why not try)
left temple
just had a prot warrior in my group with 15% shield block uptime in a dungeon 🙂
that’s me
sand drum
just had a prot warrior in my group with 15% shield block uptime in a dungeon 🙂
block 🤔 we just got IP buff ;>
hazy edge
<:SweatPopcorn:997088541903421550>
If you have the other half can you try running it and see if it gets proced ever? There’s a few things on other tank specs that are proccing it but I haven’t found any pwar logs with it yet
runic sparrow
If you have the other half can you try running it and see if it gets proced ever...
i have around 70 ish percent uptime on the haste buff with the "damage from behind" ring
hazy edge
i have around 70 ish percent uptime on the haste buff with the "damage from behi...
Can you dm me a log?
runic sparrow
i dont log anything unfortunately
might have some from group who have logged, you can check if u want
"julor"
ign
hazy edge
Awesome thanks
mighty valley
boutta do heroic nathria for the week... do any of these fights last 5 mins or should I save sigil for execute
bold nimbus
If you have the other half can you try running it and see if it gets proced ever...
Yeah ill try if get it 😄
distant crystal
boutta do heroic nathria for the week... do any of these fights last 5 mins or s...
no, yes
you can get two sigils on denny at least
oh council and slg too
that was our clear
topaz field
If you have the other half can you try running it and see if it gets proced ever...
shouldnt u be able to proc the rings on certain enemies if u stand in the boss/mob hitbox? i remember veinripper perma procing on brew
and i mean on bosses
hazy edge
shouldnt u be able to proc the rings on certain enemies if u stand in the boss/m...
You can, but things like consecration for ppal, and Blood Plague on blood can proc it no matter what
Just trying to see if there’s anything like that for prot war
sweet summit
@oblique garnet 
civic sand
any reflect wa for lower kara ?
oblique garnet
<@143839248422928384> <:okayge:917646812519739433>
I have that ring already
gentle jackal
is the shield from junkyard good? the one that gives you an absorb thorns?
dusk jay
doesn't deepwounds count as being behind the target?
chrome falcon
is the shield from junkyard good? the one that gives you an absorb thorns?
no it's the worst shield in the game
yes you still wear it if it's better ilvl
toxic pewter
I used the weapon in a dungeon and it only did 2% of my overall damage. Do you guys think 2% is worth losing stats? It doesn’t really seem like it’s worth using over traditional weapon
distant crystal
i think it's slightly better than a stat weapon in st
at same ilvl
but worse in aoe
and a lil worse defensively for both
sick sentinel
I have become the healer
hollow zodiac
do we like this ring or the mechagon's ones are too good ?
shut summit
mechagon rings
sweet summit
I have that ring already
don't be so picky :/
chrome falcon
on tilt that kara doesn't drop a shield because legion artifacts
oblique garnet
don't be so picky :/
Everytime i get out of key you are already in one 
chrome falcon
so i have to do grimrail or streets to get one
sweet summit
Everytime i get out of key you are already in one <:danderson:904606068108304424...
think we're done for now tho
chrome falcon
my trinkets slots in a few days
when they don't have to wear fucking soleahs and an OWS 50 ilvls lower
sick sentinel
working on my mage cuz he can do fated raids so
kind prairie
For shared suffering - do you run out or have everyone soak?
sick sentinel
For shared suffering - do you run out or have everyone soak?
Everyone soak but healer
kind prairie
Our tank was able to just run out of it and take no damage.
sick sentinel
dk tank?
sick sentinel
yeah some tanks kind do some funky stuff
if they can solo soak then thats fine
less group dmg to heal
kind prairie
He didn't soak at all - he just avoided it. Took no damage at all.
Literally ran from boss.
kind prairie
Ping me when you do? lol
sick sentinel
maybe leap right before he does it
remote python
guys, what is the average shield block uptime and ignore pain ideal? Do you have an acceptable average?
sweet summit
85% blocked hits is a good goal
% uptime on both is irrelevant
sweet summit
press IP to avoid overcapping
chrome falcon
He didn't soak at all - he just avoided it. Took no damage at all.
from shared suffering? or mortal strike
mortal strike you can dodge but it's a very precise timing
shared suffering... should kill your whole group if no-one soaks it
or wait no
yeah no you can just dodge shared suffering
kind prairie
Shared suffering
chrome falcon
it's hard though
kind prairie
gotcha
sweet summit
does it follow you
sweet summit
so just intervene?
kind prairie
he just used roar for each one
sweet summit
o
chrome falcon
and people might be dodging horses
chrome falcon
i guess yeah
sick sentinel
has anyone tried spell reflecting it?
chrome falcon
if someone is in the right position
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
yeah
sick sentinel
Doesn't work?
chrome falcon
it worked in legion, not because you reflected the spell, but because SR made you take 50% less magic damage
so you just solo soaked it
kind prairie
it worked in legion, not because you reflected the spell, but because SR made yo...
forgot that was a thing
chrome falcon
but yeah SR does not reflect it
lusty tiger
Mythic inerva, sunking, and xymox tonight. Seems like the only one with a difference between heroic and mythic is inerva… the warped desire and ninjas .
Is this correct so I don’t troll?