if youre tanking the dog
#protection
spiral warren
lusty tiger
Can spell reflect change of heart apparently
lusty tiger
What is so spicy about huntsman?
At least heroic seems fine
I’m not reading the mythic mechanics yet because I need layers
wild hemlock
yo get me in
drifting fable
in general maximum dps on p2 of hunstman is going to require alot of focus from the guy tanking the dog
wild hemlock
as dps shaman
drifting fable
you need to weave the dog in and out of the huntsman to both maximize cleave + counter the rip soul mechanic
lusty tiger
So the raid has to kill the ripped soul before it gets to huntsman… buuuut we want to cleave when that’s not happening?
drifting fable
yeah so you basically can cleave up until you start getting the notification that rip soul is gonna happen soon
move away, once the ghost is acrually up and walking you can go back
the healers have to deal with it then
lusty tiger
Cool
urban portal
huntsaman is very spicy
drifting fable
you can pop SR and stuff to mitigate the actual damage of the rip
then the healers have to heal it less
drifting fable
yeah taking the bosses over to the shade that needs to be focused is also key
drifting fable
yeah so you will want to consider that too for weaving
you dont want the adds too close to the dps when they drop
they need to be ccd for a bit
lusty tiger
This sounds fun actually
drifting fable
cleave when you can basically, but make sure you are moving the dog away for his mechanics
1st and 3rd dogs are whatever
healers go wild
urban portal
its a LOT of movement
in p2
get out, get in, get back out, get back in
hopefully your dps dont troll
drifting fable
yea there wont be a moment where you specifically get to sit there and cleave probably
but the brief windows for the dps will help
lusty tiger
How much should I be moving the 3rd dog
vapid lynx
I’ve always liked the huntsman fight both as dps and tank
lusty tiger
Will the stack kill me or will the moving kill the raid?
drifting fable
i watch my raid hp bars for that personally
urban portal
thats your decision
if you are taking a lot of damage per auto then its time to move
urban portal
but prot warrior can take a lot
drifting fable
sinseeker you probably wanna avoid moving during yea
ocean yoke
theres some fairly free time if you need to drop the stacks during p3
lusty tiger
How do xymox taunt swaps work?
lusty tiger
Which part
strong forum
?
lusty tiger
Like bomb = 4 sec tick then raid explode right
strong forum
ye
lusty tiger
So I taunt when other tank gets debuff immediately
lusty tiger
So I taunt as he’s casting glyph of destruction on the other tank?
strong forum
ye
then other tank btfos away from raid
and comes back after explosion
rinse and repeat
drifting fable
dont take the portal though so you wont fuck with people doing mechanics
lusty tiger
So they still get the debuff but the taunt swap thwarts the charging of it?
drifting fable
wdym
drifting fable
its a cast and they get a aoe explosion around them
lusty tiger
Tank can just get out while he’s still casting if Im quick I guess
drifting fable
i guess but its not the tightest window
lusty tiger
Ye
drifting fable
the other tank will have plenty of time to piss off
lusty tiger
4sec is boomer time
So that’s all we do when there’s all this other debuff and portal/laser shit happening
Seeds too
drifting fable
seeds are a dps thing but yes
lusty tiger
Some of these fights have so much shit in actually happy I’m doing it as a tank first
drifting fable
tanks just need to keep his ass in the corner and jump out with glyph
OT can grab a seed if your melee is all sleeping i guess
but it shouldnt really come to that
median tulip
Which Dungeon has the best Shield drop this season?
vernal vale
We never saw this part on our heroic kill and we where far from optimized on the kill
vernal vale
Which Dungeon has the best Shield drop this season?
Uh, probably train
I think it's train.
vernal vale
Yeah, train has best stats for our shield.
Most likely we hope and pray for a good vault shield.
Or spend a token on the lords shield and upgrade.
median tulip
Well yeah, that's always been a given. But with valor being uncapped spamming for one works in the interrim
lusty tiger
What are the chances I can go though the entire raid tonight w a normal pug
median tulip
What are the chances I can go though the entire raid tonight w a normal pug
I did it on my priest. It was pretty easy. The worst bit is Council
drifting fable
the raid wipe mechanics will still raid wipe. but other than that felt pretty tame
vernal vale
What are the chances I can go though the entire raid tonight w a normal pug
Normal is a joke.
vernal vale
I'm tempted to pug normal so my spouse gets credit for it. Since she doesn't really like to raid.
But wants the slime cat.
lusty tiger
Let’s do it 6pm est today
median tulip
We wiped once on Xy'mox to a bad portal placement in Phase 3, to Council 5 or 6 times (explain the dance and the "find your partner", make sure people know to kick Fri) and once on D because one of the tanks was trying to aim the blast AWAY from ppl
other than that normal is piss easy
lusty tiger
How do I do the dance it never worked for me early in SL
drifting fable
find the square with the giant fucking beam of light and stand in it
face the bosses
then follow the dredgers
they do in the direction
median tulip
How do I do the dance it never worked for me early in SL
Find the white spotlight, stand in it, follow the instructions
drifting fable
you just move 1 square at a time
lusty tiger
Ohh there’s a spotlight
drifting fable
yea god
i see now my guildies werent the only ones who struggled with that concept 
i guess it does suck if your spot is all the way in the back and you dont know what youre looking for
lusty tiger
Yes that was me
median tulip
Make sure you have a Warlock to put a portal down
drifting fable
we had a dude miss it for like 3 weeks before he asked why he kept getting rolled during the danxe
vernal vale
we had a dude miss it for like 3 weeks before he asked why he kept getting rolle...
Yeah people dies ro the dance too much considering the big glowing beam that tells you qhere to go.
median tulip
"Find your Partner" is actually the dangerous mechanic
urban portal
not enough mobility
drifting fable
yeah dark recital
urban portal
the wheel chair not too powerful
median tulip
I've been enjoying being back in Nathria though. The Raid design and Voice Acting are so very much better than SoD or SotFO
lusty tiger
Can tanks get dark recital(find ur partner)
crystal mauve
Can tanks get dark recital(find ur partner)
Nope
lusty tiger
Well the puddle those people drop, do I need to move the bosses or should they not be reee and drop it on tank spot?
I remember dying to that a bunch
drifting fable
no they need to go
median tulip
Well the puddle those people drop, do I need to move the bosses or should they n...
They should be running away
drifting fable
raid will pick a spot for them to walk
they need to be proactively moving and staying together
crystal mauve
You move the side, they walk in circle around you. You should move sround the same circle with a delay to give them Space/uptime
distant crystal
everybody stacks on the boss's butt, then moves in a circle around boss when it goes out, we do counter-clockwise
the stavros tank can usually just do their thing, but if it's going out while the group is coming by with recital you can turn it to dodge them
lusty tiger
Yea was just checking that
minor kestrel
Is Trashmaster's Mantle (pure vers cloak) bis now?
sweet summit
it does not have haste so no
distant crystal
the title is bis
but you can go do some shenanigans in vol'dun to keep the title w/o wearing cloak
minor kestrel
quaint glade
I just depleted the 17 for 1 second F in the chat please
Damn hunter wiped us by pulling a boss into a trash
marsh aurora
still a bit too much tc but it''s getting better
also idk how to chain pull in streets
for banner uptime
cobalt seal
still a bit too much tc but it''s getting better
where execute
cobalt seal
drifting fable
streets is a hard one to keep it up-up all the time of course
with all the RP and whatnot
you can have decent combat uptime though
marsh aurora
well i did have 100% uptime on bosses with banner so that's a start
wouldn't have happened before i asked in here
drifting fable
hell yeah, nice gain
vernal vale
well i did have 100% uptime on bosses with banner so that's a start
100% on bosses is a good start
lusty tiger
For the first 1/2 of slg is the tank mechanic first tank on kaal, next tank on goraal, so first tank can clear bleed?
vernal vale
For the first 1/2 of slg is the tank mechanic first tank on kaal, next tank on g...
When crystallize comes out you can swap so the tank who had kaal can clear the bleeding.
For goraal it's the stone fist that's the swap
grave crane
tank swapping on crystalize is kinda important. stone fist we can take like 2 or 3 before switching i think
vernal vale
Stone fist you can take 3 easily.
grave crane
i had a blood dk who was kyrian so he just vialed and got rid of the stacks which made life super easy
so when they both came down we just each tanked our preferred one and swapped when we got high stacks
vernal vale
Crystallize isn't completely end game if you miss it wither to be honest. The bleed takes a good number of stacks before it gets out of hand.
arctic pawn
question: for prot what is the best stat to pic at start of dungeon? vers or haste?
jagged pier
haste
vernal vale
question: for prot what is the best stat to pic at start of dungeon? vers or has...
Always haste
grave crane
gotta go fast bro
sweet summit
slg? no
grave crane
wouldnt know im an orc
vernal vale
Can I not stoneform the bleed?
No idea I play night elf.
toxic pewter
which bleed
zinc shale
kekelkekeke
lethal tapir
Are there any Items I want to use my Coins on for Prot? I suppose OWS?
toxic pewter
is prot not gd in low keys ?
prot is good in all keys, the best actually
night oracle
guess im pressing too many revenge with rage ?
lofty widget
Are there any Items I want to use my Coins on for Prot? I suppose OWS?
Ows, aegis, rdm, sigil, a high ilvl shield
night oracle
i guess im gonna get used to prior the revenge proc from charging ?
instead of using normal revenge
waxen orbit
@ionic fern Ayo, if I got a 294 helm, do I upgrade this shit to full and replace my Reprisal and place it on my ring?
sweet summit
nothing on ring, that is mechagon slot
waxen orbit
Necklace?
drifting fable
guess im pressing too many revenge with rage ?
what is the issue you are having? you should hit revenge a lot
waxen orbit
What is better though
drifting fable
revenge good
sweet summit
not sure which one is objectively better
waxen orbit
Oh wait
Neck is better to replace
No prim stat
Duh doi
I should've figured that out on my own
sweet summit
you lose like 10-15 str from 291-304-311 wrists iirc
drifting fable
you lose like 10-15 str from 291-304-311 wrists iirc
did kara neck get determined to not be worth
drifting fable
neck is probably the play unless theres a better non-leggo neck, cuz primary
waxen orbit
But you add haste to the neck
sweet summit
did kara neck get determined to not be worth
66 damage proc at 288 XDXEDXDXDXD
distant crystal
hmm i guess there's no haste-heavy pristat neck from the wod dungeons
vernal vale
66 damage proc at 288 XDXEDXDXDXD
Neck had potential to be fun. But nope blizzard said not happening.
undone verge
does the mecha ring that heals allies below 50% work on ourselves?
vernal vale
does the mecha ring that heals allies below 50% work on ourselves?
You want the one that gives haste
sweet summit
does the mecha ring that heals allies below 50% work on ourselves?
probably works with indom, but you're not below 50% often enough for it to be better than behind or 3 abilities
wraith hound
sike maybe warrior is not the class for me
undone verge
probably works with indom, but you're not below 50% often enough for it to be be...
definitely but so far thats the only one I have
vernal vale
sike maybe warrior is not the class for me
In a key I normally wind up wasting about 1k rage. That being said there are guys better than me.
wraith hound
I wasted like 90 revenges
vernal vale
I still got 3k and all my 20s done
wraith hound
I'm currently around here
vernal vale
1k rage isn't as bad as it sounds across an entire dungeon. That being said can always work on improving.
I havent started my grind this season.
wraith hound
yeah I am just wondering how much of that is me being incompetent and how much is ping
vernal vale
Nah, just the nature of it sometimes you just get a fuckload of rage.
Just focus on getting better and better.
modern brook
why did they abbreviate kara lower with LOWR
Lower Of the Wings in kaRa
marsh aurora
depot was painful
what is this dungeon
no matter which char i do it with i'm not having fun
and the train on war o boi
sick sentinel
bruh
i never did any legion at all
or wod
and now i gotta learn 4 dungeons of it lol
drifting fable
all things considered im glad we’re getting GD out of the way on this meme season
should mean it never sees the light of day again
marsh aurora
people in +12s that know the dungeon and that pull for you and blame you for not going fast enough and all that
in a fucking +12
digusting
drifting fable
pugs gonna pug
sick sentinel
its not a pug until the warlock starts trying to talk shit cuz hes a warlock and your not
so you cant take sides with the mage whos your guildy cuz he feels like a loser, and lock just running his mouth
vernal vale
Pugs are awful
marsh aurora
last run i did our mw died mid boss fight on EVERY SINGLE fight
so our hunter died cause mm has 0 defensive and is paper
sick sentinel
the shadowlands werent all that terrible, but it was a huge missed opportunity cost
marsh aurora
and the 2 monks' premades started shittalking the poor hunt for dying
hehe
pug at its finest
drifting fable
pretty much
marsh aurora
but now i can watch nome's stream so all is well
sick sentinel
we could have had the dread lords in the maw and all kinds of cooll stuff, but it feels like a desolate barren wasteland instead
drifting fable
i had a pug spend 8 minutes on the stealth part of workshop
eventually you just roll with the punches
marsh aurora
NO NOME STOPPED
sick sentinel
WHY DOESN'T THE TANK HAVE AGGRO NOOOBBB
is a rogue
marsh aurora
@strong forum comeback online madge
strong forum
im deadge irl
stark sage
rip, can i have your stuff
modern brook
strong forum
but yeh, lower kara 16 overtimed by onl 2min cuz wipe on Maiden
with only 4 people
cuz the healer was just cosmetic
minor helm
vernal vale
i had a pug spend 8 minutes on the stealth part of workshop
Oof gonna wind up 4manning that shit a lot.
drifting fable
lower kara is a barrel of laughs
vernal vale
Lower Kara went very bad for me. Paladin dying to everything. Hunter pulling extra ushers
drifting fable
i had to stop myself from being toxic but it was pretty sad. we had people literally walking with the guy
grave crane
progress baby
drifting fable
grave crane
also iron docks is kinda free
limpid pawn
man AM just doesn't feel good to me
drifting fable
why is that
limpid pawn
no other tank needs to go in and out to keep up mitigation on bosses lol
modern brook
That's not am
drifting fable
not sure what that has to do with AM but you are correct
limpid pawn
i have all 6 tanks, like having to use your leap sometimes to get out of bosses melee range just to keep up mitigation that other classes get is lame
grave crane
reprisal?
modern brook
You shouldn't have to leap
limpid pawn
if you use heavy repercussion build, you don't have to do that so it is AM
drifting fable
lmao
limpid pawn
leap/walk away sometimes
drifting fable
no
modern brook
?????????
drifting fable
its reprisal that you have to charge/intervene
modern brook
I don't even play this game and I know that's wrong :/
limpid pawn
reprisal + heavy repercussions will allow you to pretty much face tank for much longer
limpid pawn
i know we run AM for tier
limpid pawn
but im saying that the alternative build with HR lets you face tank more in exchange for less avatars
drifting fable
how so
jagged pier
reprisal + heavy repercussions will allow you to pretty much face tank for much ...
5% more
limpid pawn
i currently play necro/AM because it is better value
limpid pawn
but i have played like kyrian/HR before and it felt ok for some dungeons
toxic pewter
I dont even like AM but i still run it cuz the rage loop is what is most important to our spec atm
limpid pawn
ok, like you charge into the boss with reprisal, and if you have HR you can extend that initial shield block for giga long
then you have the second charge and intervene that can act as back up extenders
but HR extends it really really long
toxic pewter
Oh, nah, necro is just way more powerful
strong forum
sure, with HR you can be alot lazier
but overall youre gonna be alot more successful with AM
limpid pawn
all im saying is that warrior requires a lot more good play with AM to get the same mitigation that all otheer tanks get for free
strong forum
yes
limpid pawn
like at BEST you are just doing what the other tanks do for free by playing your ass off babysitting shield block and your charges/intervene/leaps
toxic pewter
other tanks suck
drifting fable
all are true statements
limpid pawn
and even then we aren't like S -tier - meaning the giga play isn't rewarded with a giga status tank
drifting fable
but that doesnt mean AM is the issue
chrome falcon
hey man if you're trying to persuade us that prot warrior is high risk for mediocre reward
vernal vale
all im saying is that warrior requires a lot more good play with AM to get the s...
Play better is not a bad thing.
limpid pawn
lol yes
mighty valley
personally enjoy way way way more uptime on our 20% damage 10% DR free rage button
chrome falcon
30% damage
limpid pawn
high risk mediocre reward is it
toxic pewter
??
limpid pawn
like if you play perfect reprisal am style, you should be like S tier tank IMO
toxic pewter
we are s tier tank
limpid pawn
anyone gonna tell him? lol
mighty valley
we're really pretty strong
toxic pewter
Tell me wat
drifting fable
i mean
mighty valley
it's a lot more effort than BDK, sure
limpid pawn
for the highest keys, there are better tanks...
drifting fable
we s tier
mighty valley
are you doing the highest keys
mighty valley
i'll take not being meta for keys i'm not doing in exchange for jailer execute phase
limpid pawn
drifting fable
ok?
toxic pewter
that dont mean shit
limpid pawn
vernal vale
Irrelivent
limpid pawn
i mean maybe this means something but not sure
mighty valley
yeah, the community rallies around a meta tank, what's new
vernal vale
It means people try to copy MDI
drifting fable
it means our class perspective was in the gutter at the start of the season and all the tier list makers gave a bad community perception
mighty valley
or spell
modern brook
Prot is pog
drifting fable
when in reality the difference in power level between all tanks atm is minimal
toxic pewter
blood death knight is actually in an overpowered state- and it is a disgrace they got no nerfs. no true, logical wow player can disagree
strong forum
pwar has cleared 29s
30s
chrome falcon
like what is this guy's point
drifting fable
thanks
toxic pewter
he sounds like me from 2 months ago lmao
limpid pawn
nooo, not saying that
i think reprisal style of play - should have a higher/better reward is all
toxic pewter
it does
chrome falcon
for the highest keys, there are better tanks...
this is literally what you said but ok
toxic pewter
its bad ass
mighty valley
in relative terms, it does - we're insanely more powerful playing AM necro than anything else
strong forum
reprisal makes pwar alot harder to play than other tanks yes, but its literally top2 in terms of power
strong forum
idk what more you could want
toxic pewter
in certain dungeons we are def number 1 tank
strong forum
we were technically top 2 in s3 aswell
just nobody good bothered to pick it up seriously
mighty valley
warrior doesn't have spells
fuck i just got spell reflected
modern brook
mighty valley
community perception + low popularity also got us a pile of buffs
also like. prot does really really suck if the player is bad at it
drifting fable
the damage profile of this rotation of dungeons is very physical as well comparatively
which pwar excels in
strong forum
to quote andybrew in s3 "its unfair representation, pwar should be atleast 4k io"
modern brook
Yah sb in basically every legion dungeon is broken
strong forum
and he felt it was a disgrace that paladins had higher io players
limpid pawn
hm...
modern brook
Paladins are a disgrace for playing paladin
drifting fable
pink class fans in shambles
vernal vale
When some some streamer says a class is bad stupid people listen. Leads to low representation
strong forum
so far, yes
toxic pewter
thats why they didnt nerf them this season
give ol death knights a bit more time on top
mighty valley
i've heard people say that iron docks shredded them but my life was the least of our problems in there, i didn't feel threatened at all
everyone else, though...
limpid pawn
iron docks is pretty easy, the only thing is the timing of the arrows - if you just troll it
like people who haven't been there before will just yolo it and die
toxic pewter
iron docks and even grimrail are great for me. Grimrail last boss is tough tho
mighty valley
at higher keys on tyrannical the 3rd boss just picks someone and eats them
toxic pewter
like she has a lot of health
strong forum
grimrail is pain
limpid pawn
the tiger boss, when he unleashes the wolves
strong forum
not because of numbers (except last boss)
limpid pawn
that can be troll
strong forum
tiger boss is insane if you dont have immunities to remove his feed attack
the person will just die
mighty valley
it's super trolling to send people out into these dungeons with tyrannical and quaking on week 1
strong forum
cuz you need to do 8% boss hp to break the feed
strong forum
it's super trolling to send people out into these dungeons with tyrannical and q...
storming on grimrail
🙂
mighty valley
no
strong forum
bai bai
mighty valley
don't make me think about it
distant crystal
just wait for
mighty valley
democracy is a failed system, never again
vernal vale
or spiteful even
Sanguine too
distant crystal
quaking sanguine fortified grimrail
drifting fable
sanguine storming 
distant crystal
the dream
vernal vale
Grimrail will definitely have weeks where it's nothing but a key to avoid.
It already fucks your camera
distant crystal
i watched 3 ppl get slept in a stack by the affix puddle
just in time for quaking
it was beautiful
mighty valley
camera control is awkward in lower kara too
drifting fable
think someone said yesterday they got thrown back by the ID last boss into quaking
vernal vale
camera control is awkward in lower kara too
Yup
vernal vale
think someone said yesterday they got thrown back by the ID last boss into quaki...
They did said it killed them all
mighty valley
trying to angle to look for the ghost effect while the camera gets stuck in walls...
on huntsman
while also dodging cone
and watching for frontals
cool boss
drifting fable
dude i am so glad im not a healer
id never see that shit
they did buff the visual i saw tho dunno when that happened
mighty valley
yeah i haven't gone back since the hotfix
vernal vale
Lol
mighty valley
unless it's giga huge still seems like a pug nightmare though
was bad enough on comms to get people to yell when they noticed it
lofty widget
No
warm plinth
can only the person with the ghost see it?
No, everyone can see it
vernal vale
Yeah, im hoping to push my 20s/3k early for this season and then just ride 15s to the end for vault
Or whatever keystone hero is this time
mighty valley
it was just a pretty small flicker that came and went before the fix
drifting fable
20s gets you portals so id assume its still the same for ksh
lofty widget
Oh is it permanent now?
mighty valley
i haven't seen the updated vfx
chilly brook
dps and healer however...
Iron Docks as melee is just……
Meanwhile the first two bosses ranged get to plant and cast the whole time
Literally so dumb
mighty valley
it's bullying my melee brain guild specifically
maiden in kara too, god
two melee need to perfectly triangulate or else get ethered
lord help you if you have a melee healer
open bluff
don't worry, it gets better on the last boss
if quaking lines up with smash, instant wipe
drifting fable
oh was that you lol
chilly brook
1st boss ranged just gets to stand on the chain fence and literally ignore mechanics
fresh kernel
how's the buff treating you guys
open bluff
oh was that you lol
nah wasn't me, happened to me tuesday night though
good news is low level key with some friends so it's not like we could really do anything but laugh about it
wraith hound
I am garbonzo
I just thought about why my dmg was so low
and then I remembered that I forgot execute exists and I am playing juggernaut
should have put it in the UI...
novel temple
I like having it bound on Q
wraith hound
mine is on R
novel temple
R is my interupt
wraith hound
thats my T
wraith hound
alt 1
novel temple
alt 1 for focus
drifting fable
when 20% hits i only have eyes for execute and SB
i have that shit on mouse wheel and i just let it rip
drifting fable
I am garbonzo
idk if youve done it yet, but have you posted a full log? that dps criminally low even ignoring execute
i would definitely be reevaluating my play from the ground up if i got out dpsed by my healer
wraith hound
idk if youve done it yet, but have you posted a full log? that dps criminally lo...
I am a tank for 2 days now basically and necro since yesterday
advice appreciated
wraith hound
I got some advice from mattacate, really good, still not able to uptime the banner a lot but getting there
drifting fable
oh did you watch his video?
chrome falcon
on rage
chrome falcon
shield slam casts per minute are very very low
SS is like ~6 second cooldown
6-7
so without any SS procs you should be 10 CPM minimum
and obviously you have a lot of SS procs
SS cpm should be closer to 13
uneven wagon
@chrome falcon I have fixed my binds 🙂
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
drifting fable
all muscle memory eventually
chrome falcon
you need to generate a lot more rage mba by pressing more shield slams
uneven wagon
well yeah but I am overwriting my current muscle memory
chrome falcon
and then you need to spend it more effectively by pressing more IP
drifting fable
fair enough haha
uneven wagon
can you do my logs next mr mattacate :3
chrome falcon
you only cast 1 execute
but honestly executing is like
an optimisation thing
compared to SS casts
drifting fable
agreed. theres alot to work on
uneven wagon
it is just a silly little normal raid
chrome falcon
you blocked fewer than 50% of melees
which needs to be like over 80% of melees
you can link it but the only thing it's gonna show is like
if you're running wrong talents or just totally missing casts on an important spell
i can't even analyse my own mythic logs atm because it's so ez
uneven wagon
I know exactly what I'm doing wrong I'm not using reprisal enough
can't reach 100% uptime on banner 😢
uneven wagon
https://gyazo.com/63dbf52dec71b542cb03171ccd04e438
where do you see this
chrome falcon
resources->rage
drifting fable
@wraith hound the class goes VERY fast. very high apm. there shouldnt be a waking moment youre not hitting something. SS, dumping rage in revenge/IP, walking to charge, etc etc
drifting fable
go to a dummy and practice the stuff in mattas vid
strong forum
YOU NEED TO IP TO KEEP UP BANNER
you cant keep up banner with just revenge
you need to use both
chrome falcon
https://gyazo.com/de649b4436d22e9b09a21a4d8a35dd1b @wraith hound the top part of the image is your banners, the bottom part is your last stand
as you'll notice, you cast most of your last stands when banner wasn't up
you want to last stand on cooldown BUT ONLY IF BANNER IS UP
drifting fable
last stand is an OFFENSIVE cooldown. dont read the tooltip. the important thing is the rage from Unnerving Focus conduit
uneven wagon
i have found it
drifting fable
use it to keep banner alive
chrome falcon
nah i mean they understand that they need to LS on cooldown
they get that
it just needs to also be during banner
drifting fable
sure but some people dont see it as an offensive
uneven wagon
makes sense when the game hardly makes it clear it is
i know i need to do reprisal more
idk what else
ive been misclicking IP instead of SB a lot cus of binds lol
uneven wagon
WB on like devourer or something where u just stand still and hit things
drifting fable
hard to tell on a 3 minute fight but i did see you only charged 4 times
wraith hound
you want to last stand on cooldown *BUT ONLY IF BANNER IS UP*
oh okay that is important info
chrome falcon
you had 14 CPM
in a 3 min kill
shorter kills should have higher CPM
because you have BL up for a greater % of the fight
so
more SS
lofty widget
revenge casts are also low, so fewer SS procs
chrome falcon
i had 23 revenge CPM on my kill
you have 13
basically
hit them fuckin buttons harder
the description of my video wasn't a meme, if it doesn't sound like you're trying to snap your keyboard in half, you ain't slamming hard enough
uneven wagon
What if I have silent keys
chrome falcon
but that's just practice/keybind familiarity
so it looks like you get what you're meant to do
you're just not greased up enough
drifting fable
you need to be pressing something every second and then some. its a 90 cpm spec
wraith hound
I think my biggest issue is I queue a spell because SS isn't ready yet but it becomes ready the same time when my other cast goes off where I could theoretically press it but I can't now since I queued another spell due to latency. does that make any sense? @chrome falcon
chrome falcon
I think my biggest issue is I queue a spell because SS isn't ready yet but it be...
that's just a practice thing
everyone does that sometimes
uneven wagon
12 mins????
chrome falcon
but you have to eliminate as much as possible
strong forum
was a few experimental shit going on so the CPM is like 7 less
chrome falcon
it was on a target dummy turtles
strong forum
we can keep banner infinitely Turtles
chrome falcon
you can keep banner up literally for 12 years
uneven wagon
Ah
wraith hound
how bad am I that I can not xD
strong forum
ive had a mists 16 where i had a 22min banner
wraith hound
I managed to do it once on dummies
lofty widget
how bad am I that I can not xD
dw, its just a practice thing
chrome falcon
me and nomer have been playing this class for
uneven wagon
I'm not reprisaling hard enough
chrome falcon
quite a long fucking time
drifting fable
youve been playing tank for 2 days brah
strong forum
reprisal is important
strong forum
its the bread and butter to keep up banner
chrome falcon
practice and keep posting logs to make sure you understand the basic concepts
pallid quiver
hitting a dummy makes it very easy, muscle memory
chrome falcon
and are trying to implement them
wraith hound
idk 80 apm seems intimidating when I had to let go of fury due to latency with under 70 APM
pallid quiver
Once you get 100% uptime on dummy, you can carry through and think about how to main/upkeep in raids
strong forum
currently pwar is more like 86cpm
lofty widget
what kind of latency are you running? just curious
wraith hound
how can I check that
chrome falcon
if you don't know it's probably the default
wraith hound
chrome falcon
uh nomer you know this
what should that guy set his spell queue to
same as his ms or
strong forum
100+ping
chrome falcon
yeah i mean i personally odn't know if i could play this class with ping
strong forum
default SQW is 400
chrome falcon
without wanting to die
uneven wagon
I know 100% uptime is like important on banner but can you not do well as prot if you don't do it or
lofty widget
thats not too bad i think
lofty widget
its gonna be annoying but nothing too crazy
chrome falcon
"if you don't have banner, you're going to suffer"
it's
"if you don't have banner, it's because you're playing bad"
strong forum
I know 100% uptime is like important on banner but can you not do well as prot i...
its important to have it on the correct parts
chrome falcon
if you don't have banner it means you also aren't using AM, or tier, or indom properly
strong forum
i often dont recast banner cuz its not worth just to chase the uptime
chrome falcon
having a good banner is just a side effect
lusty tiger
default SQW is 400
Could high spell queue ms with low connection ms be problematic?
wraith hound
how do I change my spellqueue?
chrome falcon
of playing the class correctly
strong forum
but youll want to aim to have banner up for basically all of combat
strong forum
Could high spell queue ms with low connection ms be problematic?
no
its literally there to help you with bad ping
uneven wagon
I just mean do you have to play 100% optimally sweating the whole time to do higher keys or mythic raiding
chrome falcon
it's a / command mba but i can't remmeber it
strong forum
the lower your ping, the lower your SQW should be
chrome falcon
higher keys yes turtles
lusty tiger
I have good ping and it feels like I’m getting spell queued hard
chrome falcon
mythic raiding no
uneven wagon
Cus other tanks don't need to have 2500 CPM to do well
chrome falcon
mythic raiding you just need to have shield block up
and rally when your RL tells you to
and you can play prot fine
strong forum
/console SpellQueueWindow XXX
wraith hound
200 then I would assume to be safe
strong forum
I just mean do you have to play 100% optimally sweating the whole time to do hig...
if youre used to it, itll come naturally
strong forum
its all muscle memory
chrome falcon
you have to be a sweatlord
but you can do just fine in 20-25 with like 70% uptime
just ask all the dogshit streamers that are playing it now
strong forum
or like nerf, with 30%
drifting fable
strong forum
but keep this in mind
pallid quiver
There's actually not much that's extreme sweat-lord about playing Prot if you've practiced it other than reacting to SS resets. Everything else is set on a hard timer, you just gotta press fast
drifting fable
how you not just die with that lvl of blocks lol
strong forum
Banner is a 30% dmg buff compared to not having banner up, aswell as a 30-40% surv gain
so its quite something
uneven wagon
What's the other one
uneven wagon
So there is a payoff for sweating and it's not like you can just play another class put in less effort and do as well or better
drifting fable
for the most part yes
wraith hound
100 apm over 24min
glacial flint
YO guys .. warrior talk starts now 🙂
wraith hound
wtf
drifting fable
you can succeed with other tanks with less work absolutely. thats kind of the main gripe with pwar atm is that why do WE have to work so much harder
chrome falcon
wtf
Squeak is a toy that lets you cheat apm
ignore it
it's an off-gcd toy that you bind to all your spells
drifting fable
sense strats are leaking
strong forum
100 apm over 24min
squeak is a toy bound to IP
rotund sluice
play warrior for the fun active playstyle and it feels great when you're doing it right. if you start to get carpal tunnel... bdk alt is a nice break
uneven wagon
Ok good cus I outdamaged this BDK during raid and he was a higher ilvl but idk if it's cus he did poorly or i did good 
strong forum
pwar does more dmg than bdk
strong forum
but you need execute to do so
uneven wagon
Ah true
chrome falcon
maybe BDK beats you if it's a 4:30 boss
pallid quiver
Depending on how much higher ilvl, he could also have played poorly
strong forum
youll be behind BDK until execute
uneven wagon
He had 15ish ilvls idk
strong forum
ya then hes just bad
strong forum
cuz i just barely win against a friend of mine who literally just rerolled BDK last week
uneven wagon
He definitely knew the mechanics better
drifting fable
bad players? in my world of warcraft?
rotund sluice
i wonder if we'll see higher tyr keys on pwar and higher fort keys on bdk just because of the execute factor on bosses
strong forum
its a possibility
strong forum
if a boss hits 20%, its practically dead
chrome falcon
buuuut neither class really dies ever anyway
wraith hound
monk seems to have the least CPM
sick sentinel
what stats does prot war want in m+ and also what buff do i chooe at start of key?
strong forum
what stats does prot war want in m+ and also what buff do i chooe at start of ke...
haste
all the way
drifting fable
haste > vers>=crit>mast
but its not something to really worry about until max gear lvl tbh
ilvl over all
for str
drifting fable
sick sentinel
ah okay sorry im brand new to prot
chrome falcon
more autos= more deva procs= more shield slams
uneven wagon
Doesn't literally every single class want haste first and foremost
drifting fable
no
strong forum
more haste = more rage = more CDs = more everything = more rage
its a massive feedback loop
no slacking allowed
sick sentinel
okay i c
drifting fable
watch this if you havent https://youtu.be/WG8aMkCE5j0
uneven wagon
Stay kyrian until you're mentally ready to go 90 APM
chrome falcon
Get 4p
uneven wagon
Isn't Necro better at 2 already
vernal vale
stay kyrian until 4p tho right
Go necro with double legendary
My alt with double legendary and no tier can get 40% uptime in a key.
Get used to the playstyle
wraith hound
@chrome falcon can I like send you a vod of me hitting training dummy? I am really considering completely rerolling to a less apm class. if it really is just a skill issue I would stay war but if its latency thats messing me up I will most likely switch it up
vernal vale
okay il check it out
chrome falcon
So I wouldn’t feel bad about rerolling if it’s too much of a problem
wraith hound
Yeah you can feel free to
well it might be troublesome, new player, only character, no money and missing out on the start of s4. farming zm again and everything.. ehh so this isn't an easy decision, ty I will send it to you shortly
is there a weakaura that shows my skill button presses?
that might be useful before recording
lethal tapir
Hmm. I just got a 304 Gluttunous Spike. You think it's worth using as Prot? 🤔
sweet summit
depends on your other options
vernal vale
Hmm. I just got a 304 Gluttunous Spike. You think it's worth using as Prot? 🤔
if its your highest ilvl right now its not bad
also depends on what else you have because some trinkets overpreform for damage
see OWS
lethal tapir
I mean, currently my Options are the Spike 304, 272 Power Crystal, 278 Elegy or 262 Scale
or 226 Kael trinket lmao
lofty widget
damn mana devourer is the goat
vernal vale
I mean, currently my Options are the Spike 304, 272 Power Crystal, 278 Elegy or ...
id probably use spike just because of how much more main stat it will give
dusky sentinel
Any takes on the Raven Eidolon trinket defensively?
vernal vale
Any takes on the Raven Eidolon trinket defensively?
bad
strong forum
damn mana devourer is the goat
Ya I had like 9 stacks when I killed him
Omega dtps, but also omega execute
rotund sluice
is there a consensus on whether or not to put charge and intervene on the same macro/button? been trying it and have had a few accidental charges when i wanted to intervene in large packs
vernal vale
is there a consensus on whether or not to put charge and intervene on the same m...
preferance
i like them seperate
drifting fable
i put them together but i have intervene exclusively on mouseover
strong forum
I have them on the same button
Intervene exclusively on mouseover
It's like the only macro I recommend everybody using
rotund sluice
oh maybe that's the answer i think right now both can be mouseover
vernal vale
my intervene is on a focus/mouseover macro
rotund sluice
i guess there's probably not too many times i'd mouseover charge
drifting fable
i tried mouseover charge for a while and it felt awful
vernal vale
i like charge on a solid button
rotund sluice
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene
/cast Charge
will that work for mouseover only for intervene and then target based charge?
strong forum
Yea should
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] intervene; charge
This also works
rotund sluice
thanks! i'll give it a shot
limpid pawn
we just go haste every time right?
sweet summit
yea
limpid pawn
what about as arms/fury
drifting fable
probably should go ask them
fickle ingot
man, it's so good to see nerf on prot again. he's objectively the best prot warrior since bfa
lethal plaza
for grim rail depot first boss, his dash, can you dodge that or just take it?
seems fast af
vernal vale
its dodgeable but kind of finicky to do
lethal plaza
do you know if it's blockable? or just have to be topped off?
coarse magnet
no idea
lofty widget
it is not
coarse magnet
does any damage interrupt fleshcraft or nah
sweet summit
no
sick sentinel
if ur emeni, which isn't recommeneded, u can even move and jump while doing it
coarse magnet
wats recomended?
sick sentinel
you lose alot to get that
sweet summit
marileth
coarse magnet
mallet says heirmir is most dam
urban portal
It is
sweet summit
marsh aurora
anything i should be aware of in workshop regarding routing ?
like is there a terrible decision i could make ?
sick sentinel
the smoke section is on a set path, you can avoid it every time
mortal brook
Nah gotta pull nearly all of it anyways for count
sick sentinel
its pretty much 4head hold W
you can use leap on the annoying section after the dog boss to hit the button so the conveyer belt stops, making it easier for other people not to get hit too
pine slate
oh we don't go plague deviser?
atomic matrix
The go to missive is still haste/vers?
sweet summit
like is there a terrible decision i could make ?
skip last pack if possible with gate/deathskip otherwise nothing good to skip
sweet summit
oh we don't go plague deviser?
sweet summit
The go to missive is still haste/vers?
yea
oblique garnet
@sweet summit Im back bby
sweet summit
strong forum
what do we think about mechagon wrists ?
Terrible
marsh aurora
alright, not focusing that either
is there any prot war / tank main that does dungeon discovery videos ?
strong forum
Not any good ones that I know of
marsh aurora
only played for half a season in bfa and as dps so those 6 dungeons are absolute pain
well depot is pretty straightforward aswell as workshop
i'm scared of both kara and the other wod one and all i see are ranged dps chilling 30 meters away from mobs
waxen orbit
I heard it all of SL
We were only bad S2 tbh
atomic matrix
yea
Forgot to say thank you! Finally upgraded unity to 291, now just saving up for reprisal upgrade
waxen orbit
Better, but you're still hitting TC too much looks like
urban portal
Revenge is plenty enough
sand pebble
i found the best place to use tc is right before you get an outburst proc and basically ignore it until then unless you have nothing else to press
marsh aurora
also idk ifi t's me pulling in weird ways but those new dungeons have very small pulls
marsh aurora
i did that and pulled a bit too much on the 2nd platform
got the mini boss from the affix
felt bad
grave needle
did the warr 4 set ever get nerfed?
sand pebble
did the warr 4 set ever get nerfed?
from how it went live? no
sand pebble
no
grave needle
so the shiled slam still does big dmg
oblique garnet
no more TC spam
Your revenges are still bit too low
oblique garnet
^^
lusty tiger
giant shield slam
lusty tiger
my banner uptime was ass but i hope some of this exp translates into heroic well
lusty tiger
look @ ilvl and killtimne