Prot feels very nice in keys, haven't raided yet on it
#protection
vapid lynx
Feels good to me, the comments from my friends last night on the first? Iirc boss of grimrail when he enrages after you kill the goblin? My buddy was like pop a defensive here and I’m just like orrrrrr I could just keep SB and take negative damage 🤣
vapid lynx
Prot feels very nice in keys, haven't raided yet on it
I did heroic all way up to sire last night
charred idol
I've played ALL tank specs, but not prot warrior. What spec does prot warrior feel the closest to? I really wanna learn it 🙂
vapid lynx
Felt pretty good need to work on my banner uptime on some of the fights though I let it fall
Idk feels different to all of em imo
sick sentinel
I've played ALL tank specs, but not prot warrior. What spec does prot warrior fe...
brew
in some ways
not all
lusty tiger
How well should I know the bosses if I want to do the heroic raid?
drifting fable
id watch the fights and know your mechanics for sure. no reason to not know what youre doing on the fight
drifting fable
can listen to whoever is leading for other call outs
lusty tiger
id watch the fights and know your mechanics for sure. no reason to not know what...
Am I going to have to grind normal though. I’m probably going to be joining pugs if I can
minor helm
No raids easy
lusty tiger
In 273 now
minor helm
But knowing the mechanics will make it infinitely easier
drifting fable
we ran normal last night to gear up some people who didnt play s3 and they were paper
vapid lynx
Yeah it felt really easy tbh even on heroic especially with the affix stuff
minor helm
You could kill mythic bosses in like 265 gear right now
drifting fable
mechanics will still 1 shot if no one does them but dps should be no issue
we got the damn council bug last night with a dance during boss mechanics tho
healers managed it cuz it was only normal tho 
vapid lynx
We stopped pulling sire last night because even though I had aggro of him he would randomly fire the frontal in P1 in different directions
It was very weird and like he’d still be facing me too it would just come out his side etc
minor helm
jagged pier
Raid is great but that depends on group like my guild went in smashed hc and first 4 on mythic no big issues just chill and fun
What raiding should be imo
vernal vale
Am I going to have to grind normal though. I’m probably going to be joining pugs...
Tank stuff is easy all the way through. Worst is positioning denathrous.
topaz field
Raid is great but that depends on group like my guild went in smashed hc and fir...
i guess you are in a group of button pressers which makes raiding indeed fun
vernal vale
Raid is great but that depends on group like my guild went in smashed hc and fir...
New blood having to learn sire prevented our kill last night. It was prog all over. >.<
topaz field
ye thats normal i guess
jagged pier
But that boss is much more on tanks for the correct positions etc
quaint glade
Y’all making me want to find a guild and raid
topaz field
but if ppl are willing and able to learn its fine
jagged pier
So if you havent done or dont know gunna be an issue
twin brook
Hi Mates 🙂 how u manage high uptime on your banner. I saw some logs ( all about M+) where people have >90% uptime on it. I come to 45-55 % atm. Is there a trick outside of dumping Rage?
quaint glade
Everyone is saying raiding is so chill now
jagged pier
Hi Mates 🙂 how u manage high uptime on your banner. I saw some logs ( all abou...
Press 👏 your 👏 buttons 👏
topaz field
like its said so often here but go to a target dummy and practice it
jagged pier
Everyone is saying raiding is so chill now
It is but is supposed to be this season
lusty tiger
So hard to find a guild for some reason
jagged pier
No theres a huge tank shortage for once
quaint glade
Hi Mates 🙂 how u manage high uptime on your banner. I saw some logs ( all abou...
You need haste, more is better, then just spam ip
jagged pier
U dont need haste
vernal vale
But that boss is much more on tanks for the correct positions etc
People dying to avoidable damage hurts.
jagged pier
Play is far far more important
wraith hound
its kinda hard to keep up your banner on 120 ping. still learning
quaint glade
No theres a huge tank shortage for once
I hope finding a guild won’t be an issue as I didn’t even run normal last tier raid
jagged pier
👀
vernal vale
Depends on what kind of guild your after too.
Lots of guilds mostly taking this tier off as well.
They are just rolling through heroic for slime cat and calling it a day.
drifting fable
Hi Mates 🙂 how u manage high uptime on your banner. I saw some logs ( all abou...
- spend rage. revenge primarily and IP exclusively to not overcap or if you have a ton of rage coming in
- run Unnerving Focus, only use Last Stand as an offensive that gives more rage to you. only use it during banner as well
- run booming voice. it will help you alot.
- charge+intervene as much as you can, when you can
- outburst proc 99% of the time on Shield Slam only. in AOE or if you have no options you can thunder clap
jagged pier
This is literally the perfect time to trial ppl tbh
vernal vale
This is literally the perfect time to trial ppl tbh
That's why my team has like 10 new people.
Went from barely 20 on the roster to 30
quaint glade
This is literally the perfect time to trial ppl tbh
Ok definitely looking for a guild then hahaha
vernal vale
Ok definitely looking for a guild then hahaha
If your horde you have lots of options.
Alliance you will probably struggle
quaint glade
Yeah but I was guildless since SOD so kinda lost rn lmao
minor helm
It’s not even an issue if your cross faction
quaint glade
Will check wowprogress for some guilds perhaps one might give a chance
minor helm
Check warcraftlogs and raider io they both have recruitment tabs now and they’re pretty good
vernal vale
It’s not even an issue if your cross faction
Some guilds insist you go whatever faction they are so your on the guild roster properly.
wild hemlock
I've played ALL tank specs, but not prot warrior. What spec does prot warrior fe...
honestly kinda feels real spammy like pally but cranked up a notch. you generate so much rage and dont want to burn it
but you cant really think of spending resources as SOTR per say if that makes any sense
it feels kinda like pally but it aint pally
strong forum
Prot changes drastically at level 60 with 4p2l
wild hemlock
also this^^
strong forum
You need to charge weave alot aswell as manage 3 resources
wild hemlock
complete different spec lmao
strong forum
Outburst, Banner and Rage
charred idol
I was certain Blood dk was the way, but tier bonuses made it way too dull for me :p
charred idol
Also, I saw from the alpha talents they kinda kept it
strong forum
You won't see nearly as much uptime on DRW
It'll just be a strong CD
But uptime will be cut more than in half
wild hemlock
you guys all taking haste?
strong forum
Ofc
wild hemlock
i have 36% haste base still take it?
strong forum
Ofc
wild hemlock
awe i wanted someone to say crit
strong forum
The more haste you have baseline, the better the affix haste gets
vernal vale
i have 36% haste base still take it?
Yup, haste affix is the strongest by tuning anyways.
strong forum
Multiplication owns
vernal vale
Multiplication owns
Maths is fun sometimes
topaz field
The more haste you have baseline, the better the affix haste gets
do u aim for ows then also?
strong forum
Yes
west walrus
Maths is fun sometimes
Blizzard's Maths
lusty tiger
Heroic trial Friday
minor helm
topaz field
even tho u always say there is not too much haste im a little scared with ows if i would see better results with different stats but lets see
quaint glade
strong forum
The shrouded affix basically removes all kinds of haste DR you have on your gear
minor helm
Heroic trial Friday
Ur gonna own
lusty tiger
Hell yeah brüther
topaz field
imagine demanding pi in trial sub 20 %
lusty tiger
I’m gonna demand pi for execute phase
chrome falcon
PI sadly isn’t that good on us for execute phase
lusty tiger
But wf totem
topaz field
for the memes its good tho
chrome falcon
Cut me deep to learn that
topaz field
pi the tank!
chrome falcon
Your group is defo trolling if you’re not in WF group yeah
lusty tiger
Ahh just like the version of the game I’m trying to get away from
U guys should see fight club for classic tbc 1/2 abused prot wars not getting wind fury
vernal vale
Heroic trial Friday
It's not bad just look up to know positioning and what the taunt swap is and you'll be golden.
marsh aurora
1. spend rage. revenge primarily and IP exclusively to not overcap or if you hav...
is it better to run booming ? :weirdge:
vernal vale
Your group is defo trolling if you’re not in WF group yeah
They keep giving WF to palladin/rogues over me.
lusty tiger
By banner time improved a lot switching to booming
marsh aurora
well yeah but isn't it like a big loss on dps ?
lusty tiger
Seeming no if you use ds off cd
vernal vale
But nothing major if your playing well.
marsh aurora
ok 'i lltry that :phew:
strong forum
banner uptime > revenge dmg
vernal vale
Single target booming has always been the play I believe.
marsh aurora
started playing prot again, didn't touch it much last season
sick sentinel
is codex bad for prot warrior?
strong forum
yes
topaz field
ye booming sims better on ST
vernal vale
is codex bad for prot warrior?
Yes
sick sentinel
okay ty
marsh aurora
man junkyard is a shit show how do i even route in there :madge:
chrome falcon
They keep giving WF to palladin/rogues over me.
Paladin over us is correct
Idk about rogue
We should always be in it though
topaz field
man junkyard is a shit show how do i even route in there :madge:
every week in YJ the aerial unit is somewhere else and it always moves to east
minor helm
Send them threatening emails that’s what I do
minor helm
They keep giving WF to palladin/rogues over me.
topaz field
so u are starting every week differently
vernal vale
Paladin over us is correct
We have 3 paladins
minor helm
chrome falcon
You have 3 ret paladins?
topaz field
man junkyard is a shit show how do i even route in there :madge:
this week for example u start on gunker and can then move eastwards
cobalt seal
vernal vale
You have 3 ret paladins?
Yeah
minor helm
chrome falcon
Holy fuck
vernal vale
One is apparently swapping monk
marsh aurora
haven't done workshop in ages and even then i didn't pay attention, is this a skip ?
vernal vale
But still
marsh aurora
inv skip ?
marsh aurora
this week for example u start on gunker and can then move eastwards
yeah i imported an mdt route but like the chances of body pulling are massive
vernal vale
Do you have an arms?
Nope just fury and myself for warrior
topaz field
yeah i imported an mdt route but like the chances of body pulling are massive
90 % of the trash in JY is free
minor helm
Yeah u should be in for sure
topaz field
apart from the bigger spiders
marsh aurora
90 % of the trash in JY is free
i somehow ended up with perfect count and did only 1 weird pull before the duo boss, didn't know the big affix guy was in there so the triple pull went wrong, but i could win a lot of time just moving around the dungeon better
topaz field
@marsh aurora especially on tyra i wouldnt bother too much even if u ninja pull u just kill everything
drifting fable
theres a ton of trash at the end if you are under kinda like mists
topaz field
eventuall u notice that 2 - 3 mobs are inefficient count
that u preferably skip
scrapbots for exmaple
are bad
for melee players
u wanna skip them if possible
u can mostly walk around them
marsh aurora
are those the spinny guys ?
topaz field
ye the spinners
strong forum
the scrapbots are w/e
topaz field
the coil spidertank is the other
the scrapbots are just inefficient
and need a kick which is kinda yikes on this week
because they heal to full otherwise
marsh aurora
yeah i had a double scrapbot pull that seemed to take a while for nothing
topaz field
there were a couple at trixie too
strong forum
and like 2 at naeno and trixy
snow brook
how much should I abuse reprisal in M+, I have trouble playing around it and I feel I should almost intervene on CD outside of Ravager for rage and block ? I was 3200 Brew in S3 and just switched to prot to try something different and I'd like to reach around the equivalent level on S4 with warrior
undone verge
does the heal an ally under 50% health proc work on ourselves?
topaz field
@marsh aurora routing in Yard should always be around how to get 5 shock bots asap
strong forum
how much should I abuse reprisal in M+, I have trouble playing around it and I f...
as much as you need to keep up banner and SB
marsh aurora
<@243454864099770379> routing in Yard should always be around how to get 5 shock...
oh yeah i totally ignored those
snow brook
Should shield block be almost 100% with the leggo ?
strong forum
not 100% but close
this is my reprisal + intervene usage in grimrail
i had 83% blocked hits
snow brook
ok that's a lot more than what I do, that helps a lot thanks
strong forum
which is pretty much expected value of reprisal
urban portal
Should you try to get out of the fire frontal or just soak it
strong forum
you can go above 85% but you need NUTTY reprisal usage
urban portal
And point it the other way
strong forum
like god tier
snow brook
Aight that gives me something to aim for
strong forum
i also had 88.88% banner uptime there, i didnt bother bannering 2nd boss 2nd phase cuz that shit doesnt matter
vernal vale
how much should I abuse reprisal in M+, I have trouble playing around it and I f...
Intervene a shit load. Is huge. For helping maintain banner.
marsh aurora
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YJHA7DRkxGVrp8mf#fight=4&type=damage-taken&source=1 this is the highest logged key so far if you wanna check it out
86% mitigation of melees
vernal vale
I'm normally 70% banner because I'm bad but Nom is right you can get it up a lot if you make good use of your abilities and chain pull.
strong forum
86% mitigation of melees
you look at blocked hits
the 86% mitigated counts IP as mitigation
vernal vale
Yeah, mitigation should be high overall
Uptime on shield block is irrelevant.
You are seeing how many things you blocked
marsh aurora
by uptime i mean
% mitigation
i could shield block between pulls for high uptime 😄
drifting fable
uptime on SB is not as important as your blocked hits with it
smart usage is better than just using it on CD
alot of time you still will use it on CD of course
but try to be getting meleed at least
marsh aurora
also, why does this guy have shield block as n1 damage ?
is this the regular dps repartition ?
drifting fable
which are you referring to…?
topaz field
u mean SS?
topaz field
ye
marsh aurora
i'm just dumb
topaz field
because he wants banner uptime
strong forum
cuz its supposed to be #1 dmg
topaz field
thats what the ppl here are saying 24/7
marsh aurora
ok i'm doing everything wrong !
topaz field
dont play with fire and use SS especially on outburst
marsh aurora
even if i do ss on cd revenge is still higher, but i wasn't using booming so maybe
minor helm
this is my r1 dmg log
Carried by grenade damage
strong forum
?
minor helm
strong forum
it doesnt show on logs you dingus
drifting fable
in dungeons your revenge casts can still be higher
marsh aurora
oh your thunder clap is also a lot lower than mine, i guess i'm doing everything wrong
drifting fable
thunder clap is a literal filler spell in your rotation. cant hit SS? no rage for revenge? i have no outburst? then TC
vernal vale
even if i do ss on cd revenge is still higher, but i wasn't using booming so may...
Lots of aoe I'm dungeons revenge can get way up there if you have good rage gain to slap that button
drifting fable
TC should never be more than SS
strong forum
thunder clap is a literal filler spell in your rotation. cant hit SS? no rage fo...
not entirely true, you wanna outburst on TC on 6+ mob pulls assuming you still have enough banner time leftover, and youll use outburst on TC assuming you wont be able to get SS back in 2-3 gcds
vernal vale
Definitely too much TC
marsh aurora
147 TC for 191 SS woops
drifting fable
thats true nom.
strong forum
15k dps
strong forum
100%
drifting fable
and obv not hitting SS enough
strong forum
not paying attention to it
marsh aurora
ok i spam tc too much and i'm probably using it on outburst
atomic matrix
What would be a good banner uptime % at the end of a key? Atm sitting at 48% 
strong forum
80%+++
vernal vale
Yeah, you can check your outburst uses too with logs
strong forum
the more banner the better
marsh aurora
yeah i'll log my next runs so i can improve on that
strong forum
my best was 99.99 
but thats a bit overkill
strong forum
on st ?
marsh aurora
not using TC on cd is also gonna ease the rotation quite a bit
cobalt seal
all dungeon
atomic matrix
atm i'm sitting at 44% sb and 88% ip and the 48% banner
cobalt seal
outbursts
strong forum
ah
vernal vale
yeah i'll log my next runs so i can improve on that
Something like 3 SS on outburst for every 1TC
Just because it does sometimes happen
marsh aurora
Something like 3 SS on outburst for every 1TC
yeah i sometimes spam revenge and completely forget outburst is a thing
drifting fable
atm i'm sitting at 44% sb and 88% ip and the 48% banner
actively tracking your uptimes on mitigation wont help you too much, starting out at least. proper gameplay will involve mitigation a ton
lofty widget
Its not so cut and dry imo, if its not 6+ targets All outburst should really be on ss
atomic matrix
actively tracking your uptimes on mitigation wont help you too much, starting ou...
Tbh it's not because i feel squishy really, but yeah i really need to learn the rotation better
drifting fable
i never said nome
marsh aurora
huh the above is me
marsh aurora
the log thingy is not me
marsh aurora
also yeah, not dying at all, but low dps hurts
drifting fable
Tbh it's not because i feel squishy really, but yeah i really need to learn the ...
practice on a dummy to get that uptime to 100%, its doable. get that rotation to muscle memory and you are cruising
if you arent running Unnerving Focus and using Last Stand as a purely offensive rage CD, + booming voice, those are a great first step to improving the uptime
drifting fable
got a log?
marsh aurora
just hitting a dummy
drifting fable
can log that
chrome falcon
just hitting a dummy
Can I interest you
marsh aurora
let me start wlogs
chrome falcon
In a handy dandy video
Of me hitting a dummy for 6 minutes
And showing you to keep it up
drifting fable
oh shit forgot you made that hell yeah
lusty tiger
In a handy dandy video
Hell yeah
marsh aurora
i'm down
drifting fable
i need to copy it so i can just link it to people lol
chrome falcon
vernal vale
And showing you to keep it up
That video is gonna get so much mileage
vernal vale
Hahahaha
marsh aurora
wait wait wait
chrome falcon
I’m waiting but you’ve got like 2 minutes before work
marsh aurora
why is your banner cd so low
chrome falcon
It’s 2 minutes
marsh aurora
after your last stand ends
chrome falcon
Same as yours
brittle owl
you have 30 seconds UPTIME
but do you have 30 seconds of updog?
chrome falcon
oblique garnet
https://youtu.be/WG8aMkCE5j0
Now this is a certified boomer ui
marsh aurora
and it makes me realize all you need is a 1 button macro hehe
cause for me to pop all of this
i'm already 5 gcds in
drifting fable
just curious from your perspective after watching that video, what do you think you were doing extremely wrong?
marsh aurora
last stand as an offensive
drifting fable
wondering what would be best to tell newbies.
marsh aurora
wasn't doing that
drifting fable
ah ya thats a big one
marsh aurora
aswell as using TC when i could just revenge and weave IPs
drifting fable
on blizzard tbh for making it seem like a fake defensive
oblique garnet
and it makes me realize all you need is a 1 button macro hehe
Whats the actual macro i cant see on phone
marsh aurora
and using revenge over shield slam instead of dumping rage on ip
marsh aurora
pops it during charge
marsh aurora
while i'm trying to generate threat before i banner
topaz field
xD
drifting fable
you sure can
topaz field
the fucking macro is the solution to u guys playing it wrong
vernal vale
Yeah I copied @chrome falcon for the macro I hadn't thought about it but Damm is it easier
drifting fable
but why press many button when few button do trick
brittle owl
i don't like on pull macros because it's one extra keybind to adress an issue that can be solved with just making better binds
brittle owl
also you run the risk of popping it at the wrong time
strong forum
https://youtu.be/WG8aMkCE5j0
yo do you do animal documentary commentaries?
drifting fable
yeah with that macro specifically i dont see any problem if you use it correctly
there are some very bad macros yes
brittle owl
does he have that big D attenborough flow
drifting fable
i dont think thats one of them
marsh aurora
the fucking macro is the solution to u guys playing it wrong
it was a joke obviously when i typed that
topaz field
i did not say the macro is wrong please read accordingly
but if u think not having the macro was the reason for your low banner uptime you are high
drifting fable
true that would be wrong to think
marsh aurora
If you think i was being serious considering what i typed after you're the one who's high
minor helm
Can we get a 4th health bar in?
oblique garnet
Really wish the new blizzard UI was possible to get in this patch 
marsh aurora
well he's a tank he needs to know about his health at all times
strong forum
feel free to copy
brittle owl
my UI is clean
unlike your browser history
modern brook
Nomeratui
strong forum
HAH incognito OP
drifting fable
minor helm
my UI is clean
How many hp bars tho?
brittle owl
"incognito" kek
strong forum
0
modern brook
Nein
marsh aurora
i use naowhs one and i got no idea if it's good but i got used to it on druid
minor helm
strong forum
brittle owl
JUST
uneven wagon
your health is either 0 or not 0 and if it's not 0 it's fine and I don't care and if it's 0 the game will tell me so I do not look at my health
brittle owl
ALT Z YOU COWARDS
daring light
any chance of a screenshot of what raid talents/conduits to go for necro prot please ladies
drifting fable
why do i need my health bar? thats a healer job tbh
strong forum
any chance of a screenshot of what raid talents/conduits to go for necro prot pl...
same as m+
brittle owl
alt z best ui
daring light
ty il go raider io then
strong forum
except you swap from ravager to ITF
daring light
ty
strong forum
thats the only difference
marsh aurora
marsh aurora
got down to 30 secs cd, and the rotation is also a lot easier than what i was doing with all the tc weaved in
strong forum
you can play BSC in m+, technically its more aoe dmg
but BV is alot more comfortable to run to keep up banner
drifting fable
agreed
strong forum
and better boss dmg
uneven wagon
bolster is better if you dont have set tier bonus right
strong forum
uh no
drifting fable
just saying for raid no contest, take BV
strong forum
Bolster is only the play if you dont have reprisal
uneven wagon
ah
brittle owl
@strong forum hello i've seen top streamers like Nerf run codex in their runs and i don't see it mentioned as bis in any resource related to pwarr why is that did you not know it's bis?
drifting fable
strong forum
uneven wagon
i have it just we're raiding nathria tonight and I'll probably get ilvl upgrades and idk when to stop valuing tier set and start valuing stats
strong forum
?
marsh aurora
just port back and tierify
strong forum
tierset > everything
uneven wagon
ohh
drifting fable
never stop valuing tier
uneven wagon
you can do that
strong forum
yes
uneven wagon
i did not know that
strong forum
CC works in s4
oblique garnet
Nome i got 288 codex today
drifting fable
turn M+ into tier and upgrade
marsh aurora
you can tierify everything
strong forum
now you can almost tank +15s! Late
sick sentinel
what drops from 0s now
marsh aurora
i'd use 288 codex over my 262 ticking sack of terror
uneven wagon
woops
strong forum
so i've been running 3/5 for no reason
🙂
drifting fable
you sure have
oblique garnet
now you can almost tank +15s! Late
I already timed all 15s 
strong forum
woah hes big
drifting fable
late owns
sick sentinel
didnt need the stupid conduits
strong forum
could time 15s without codex
strong forum
teleports are 20
oblique garnet
I did however start using the irondocks trinket
uneven wagon
i dont know if I have enough of the scifi cum stuff to change my gear to tier sets cus i spent it all on the conduit ugprade thing
oblique garnet
Its pretty nice
sick sentinel
yeah i know, i don't think i'll ever get those
strong forum
the vers one ?
drifting fable
oh i got that
strong forum
or the passive one
drifting fable
worth upgrading?
oblique garnet
The vers one yeah
marsh aurora
what trinkets are we trying to get ? i loved sks trinket on my vdh is season 1
but does warrior even have use for it
oblique garnet
Its just budget sigil with vers
lofty widget
the passive str+vers trinket is OP
Wheres that from
strong forum
iron docks
strong forum
Its just budget sigil with vers
ya but you lose 7% mainstat
drifting fable
2 min cd is nice
lofty widget
Og the grenade?
strong forum
so uh...
drifting fable
way more useful in m+
strong forum
not worth overall
sick sentinel
so to clarifty, DH is bad right now?
uneven wagon
is that stone general trinket gonna be good again
brittle owl
Nome i got 288 codex today
hello can you please tell the bully orange name to recommend codex from now until nerf takes it off
drifting fable
thats what i was thinking when i got it
sick sentinel
they killed it?
drifting fable
no str sucks
strong forum
so to clarifty, DH is bad right now?
VDH was bad even in s1
but with tier they can survive in aoe really well
sick sentinel
i dunno which o ne is the tank one off top of my head
oblique garnet
Its honestly pretty handy in big pulls
strong forum
but VDH is the worst tank for ST
oblique garnet
Despite not having mainstats
marsh aurora
you mean VDH ? vdh is paper, always has been, always will be, but meta is very very strong in aoe
sick sentinel
havoc is dps right
strong forum
yes
uneven wagon
guys if I have very little cosmic flux is it better to save it so that I can change my stuff later so I can keep the 2 piece bonus instead of changing everything now so i can get the 5 piece thing
cus the 5 piece isn't that big right
uneven wagon
oh its 4
oblique garnet
You can farm flux from torghast iirc
uneven wagon
ok then i might as well grab it
marsh aurora
thorghast flux is ass
vernal vale
is that stone general trinket gonna be good again
Not compared to OWS, sigil, RDM, Aegis
sick sentinel
i figure i'll boost a dh or druid
marsh aurora
just do lfg / normal raids
drifting fable
raid bosses are dropping it right? cant remember how much but its not insignificant iirc
marsh aurora
raid bosses are a big flux source
uneven wagon
also what's the recharge thing on the mythic set converter machine?
minor helm
raid bosses are dropping it right? cant remember how much but its not insignific...
2k for a full clear
marsh aurora
especially since nathria will have upgrades for most players even in normal mode
vernal vale
also what's the recharge thing on the mythic set converter machine?
I have 30 charges
sick sentinel
i have a lvl 43 druid and 40 DH, so i'll send them to my main alliance server and boost a druid or dh
drifting fable
ty maid
minor helm
uneven wagon
what happens if they run out
minor helm
You get more
vernal vale
what happens if they run out
Then you wait for another
drifting fable
they constantly recharge
marsh aurora
Can i run aegis + splintered heart or is that not offensive enough ?
vernal vale
No way you use all your creation charges unless you just waste them.
sick sentinel
you guys say druid is better than dh overall? all specs really
marsh aurora
druid is in the dumpster right now
drifting fable
i would get your 4 piece, then you can sit on flux if you want to save it for a better tier piece to convert
if you get like a tertiary or smth
marsh aurora
not a doomer druid main btw
vernal vale
Can i run aegis + splintered heart or is that not offensive enough ?
Aegis is amazing defensively but u less your struggling to survive with good play just go double dps trinks
strong forum
i heard raidbosses give 2k flux?
marsh aurora
a raid clear
strong forum
ah
drifting fable
2k for an entire clear it seems
sick sentinel
i heard raidbosses give 2k flux?
u can get 2k flux just by clearing LFR trash
no joke
rugged mural
Grimrail Depot last boss. What’s the trick to knowing where the lighting will go next or which lighting will fade soon?
marsh aurora
LFR is 2k, NM is 2K
uneven wagon
that conduit upgrade thing is definitely worth the flux right
drifting fable
yeahhh i tried watching the rylakk and it didnt seem to work
drifting fable
be just dropped it wherever
strong forum
that conduit upgrade thing is definitely worth the flux right
not unless you have too much lying around
rugged mural
Oh… so you just get out if you’re on it and it’s a healer mechanic?
sick sentinel
cuz its like, about 10 bosses or more, and 100-ish each boss alone
strong forum
ye
sick sentinel
pluss random elites give it
strong forum
grimrail last boss is entirely a healer mechanic
marsh aurora
10k is a lot when you're gearing up and getting ilvl yeah
drifting fable
yaya
uneven wagon
it was a lot but I hardly had my conduits upgraded
strong forum
im sick, ill blame it on that
drifting fable
damn bro. get well soon
marsh aurora
yeah i stood in the lightning and my healer didn't even save me, can't do the healer mechs
modern brook
Lmao owned
sick sentinel
when i was leveling my BDK i got the "better postion" boss tried him 2 or 3 times and he 1 shot me each time, no idea why, went back to LFD leveling
i had attempted the TW thing one time on him
brittle owl
oh no nome has ligma
marsh aurora
https://youtu.be/WG8aMkCE5j0?t=227 wait what was this back to back outburst ? is that how much rage you can generate ?
or is it just the boomer ui acting weird ?
drifting fable
4 piece
strong forum
avatar
strong forum
and yes
drifting fable
strong forum
on average you get outburst every 10-15 seconds
marsh aurora
prot war is a lot harder than any tanks out there
strong forum
it is
drifting fable
on average most do. its not like blizzard really helps you out at all
marsh aurora
i did 90 cpm but it's all on thunder clap :worry:
strong forum
no
marsh aurora
also, i'm not sure i want to venture into the dragonflight discussion as i'm just learning the SL version of it, but are the talents looking good so far ?
drifting fable
looking like one of the best specs in DF atm
marsh aurora
alright !
strong forum
nah
thats the wrong way
they should instead change other tanks
cuz the other tanks have alot of "well what can i avoid"
whereas pwar is "what the fuck can i get"
drifting fable
for sure. buff should always be the first step over a nerf
buff the other stuff up i should say
ocean yoke
blood looks nice at least with getting so many resources/throughput from class tree but im not a blood expert by any means
sick sentinel
are 0's harder?
strong forum
than in s3, yes
strong forum
30% harder than in s3
sick sentinel
so, 3% overall lol
strong forum
no i mean literally
sick sentinel
still just tickles eh?
strong forum
they have 30% more HP and deal 30% more DMG compared to s3
thats always how it works, but yes m0s tickle
marsh aurora
you get 262 from 0s ?
drifting fable
if youre coming in with s3 gear there is 0 chance its noticable lmao
sick sentinel
yeah, i'll get some kinda key done this week, not promising it will be on time or high key (10/15) or nothin
i'd like to run top zero or low for a chance or weapons (2h, dos also drops weapons, cant think of rest)
marsh aurora
i'm at 270 and the 10s i've done so far on prot war don't hit harder than 13s did
strong forum
ya tanks feel super sturdy in s4
regal hamlet
sorry guys if it has been asked
marsh aurora
i've not been affraid to die once even with weird pulls
well aside from the big affix guy
that guy hurts
regal hamlet
what items are prot warriors looking for in dinars?
strong forum
ows, shield matrix
sick sentinel
is there 2h from m0 taza?
oblique garnet
ya tanks feel super sturdy in s4
🧢
strong forum
?
sick sentinel
that would drop at 262
oblique garnet
Have you been to lower kara
strong forum
nah not yet
oblique garnet
Gl
strong forum
ive done everything but that
drifting fable
kara run backs are probably gonna make me kms
sick sentinel
you mean burning crusade kara yes (/s off)
marsh aurora
not gettting crest with dinars ? the one from sepulcher ?
coarse magnet
friends help me, orc or tauren or something else for m+ mainly with a random pvp here n there also raid
marsh aurora
isn't vulpera the play ?
drifting fable
its a much harder drop to get
strong forum
isn't vulpera the play ?
if youre horde, yes
marsh aurora
Vulpera for m+
coarse magnet
aid me
drifting fable
play what looks cool bro
oblique garnet
but id get OWS first 100%
OWS->RDM->Shield is probably what ill do
coarse magnet
is that a non troll ?
sick sentinel
wait, were do i go to run a 0 to get a keystone
drifting fable
races dont matter
coarse magnet
like vulp for reals
drifting fable
they have a good tanking passive yes
marsh aurora
races don't matter that much and if you're horde vulpera has the best tanking passive but
drifting fable
but if you dont like how they look thats worse
coarse magnet
better than stomp ?
marsh aurora
realistically if you were to run m+ at a tryhard level you would go alliance and play dwarf
drifting fable
true
marsh aurora
if you're not doing that, then race doesn't really matter
coarse magnet
i plan on being on a tryhard level
i dunno my friend was the 36th warr in the world m+
was not dward
marsh aurora
oh when i say tryhard level i mean
mdi type of thing
not
25 to 28
kind of keys
sick sentinel
i think i can run tazavesh 0 and get a key at EOD right?
grave crane
lower kara is kinda weird those ghost people can kinda slap hard. also the flame throwers in grimrail depot hurt so dont stand in them
drifting fable
unless its some alt from seasons ago
sick sentinel
just didnt do a vault last week
drifting fable
tahsup will give you one then
the keystone dropper dude
every pug ive taken through lower has had 1 person at least die to the ghosts that explode on death
like cmon fellas 
grave crane
i explained the slime boss to some dudes in junkyard. everyone got slimed and i was the only one up. wiped it up and just left
drifting fable
just stand on the robot idk why that one is so hard lol
grave crane
like get out of green free robot stand in blue
but no one even soaked the trogg boss blue so i was just solo tanking that and a shitload of mobs like guys come on now
sick sentinel
just self and command team to dumpster the inspired dude - > healer/caster eh? can't be that hard ig
vocal cave
can you tell in advance where lightning patches will appear on last boss grimrail?
drifting fable
consensus seems to be no
vocal cave
cool mm+ boss
drifting fable
kinda just have to be proactive and healer laps it up
grave crane
i couldnt and just moved around a lot
vocal cave
looking forward to grevious weeks
drifting fable
i swear you used to be able to watch the rylakk but could just be misremembering. it surely doesnt work now tho
wraith hound
reprisal is still the to go legendary right?
marsh aurora
depot is pain i cleared gambit and got depot 16, haven't logged back in onto druid since
sick sentinel
being turned into shield charge in DF maybe
drifting fable
reprisal is still the to go legendary right?
yes the rage and SB uptime makes reprisal the best legendary
sick sentinel
from what i've heard shield charge will effectively replace reprisal
sick sentinel
feet
wraith hound
gonna make another one for boots rn
grave crane
i wouldnt worry about that honestly unless your just flush with gold and dont care
sick sentinel
feet is a more safe craft, im a simple guy, i like unity on belt for everyone
drifting fable
yeah if you have the resources go for it. leggos will be good until you want to move them for better stats on your other gear
leggos will go to the lowest stat budget items
but that only really matters once youve out ilvled them
sick sentinel
is there another increase to ilvl of leggos?
sick sentinel
i don't think SL crafting was entirely bad, but man....
drifting fable
no the legendary system was IMO fairly well done except for the memories being locked behind dumb stuff
like time gated torghast memories
fuck that
and the original method of torgy running in S1 was also kinda ass
grave crane
i think it was an unneccesary gold sink that keeps people from testing thigns out or trying them
zealous willow
dusk jay
is there some sort of hammer tech on first boss workshop, other than just hit boss 3x?
topaz field
no the legendary system was IMO fairly well done except for the memories being l...
im forced to play the same legendary since day one almost on each and every of my 4 characters which is pretty boring imo
drifting fable
true i never said the legendaries themselves were good and balanced
but i didnt hate crafting
topaz field
i find it just sad that there was hardly any tuning
drifting fable
same man
topaz field
because a lot of legos have potential i think
drifting fable
so much lost potential
topaz field
ye
drifting fable
ya
same reason they probably wouldnt let us use any double leggos. they dont want to put in the work to balance
of those ones anyways
cinder storm
is there some sort of hammer tech on first boss workshop, other than just hit bo...
He is slower the more plating he has, normally you don't want to use the hammers right away, but they are not stunning it, it used to stun it in BFA and that gave a breathing room
drifting fable
oh really are you supposed to kite that guy more
topaz field
all dps and u want to stack
cinder storm
As for a "hammer tech" the hammer damage calculates how many things are alive under it, if player + adds are under it, it calculates more damage
topaz field
because every person increases the dmg the hammer does
drifting fable
ooo gotcha
topaz field
because their dmg is irrelevant compared to hammer
if you have hunter mage they even should immune during intermission
so the tank doesnt move
the tank boss
topaz field
and iirc u want to stack 5 ppl for the last hammer
cinder storm
Make sure to taunt the car after the fight starts or whenever you can, there's a small chance it can lose aggro and melee one dps
Its small chance but annoying
urban bane
Does spell reflect negate the vampiric claws or w/e from the nathrazoomers?
cinder storm
Yes
urban bane
sick. i heard it proccing from it but wasnt sure if it prevented the heal
cinder storm
Yes
marsh aurora
i don't see in on my details so i'm assuming it doesj ust that
oh yeah
makes sense
topaz field
interesting. lot more to that fight than i thought
oh btw u also have 2 options to kill the trash at the start u either hammer them or all player stack on 1 spot because they kill themselves with their own rockets
drifting fable
does it break the hammer for the boss fight?
cinder storm
No
drifting fable
sick
topaz field
no only the steel boss
cinder storm
Only breaking the plating does
drifting fable
think he only has 3 but youd just use the last one for dps right
cinder storm
It really pains me the boss is not getting stunned, hope they fix that
drifting fable
assuming it used to be that way in bfa?
marsh aurora
any boes that look BiS btw ?
sage remnant
Are we taking mastery or vers?
sick sentinel
yes, u can get big damage if u jebaited the boss 1 work into hammers
drifting fable
assuming you mean the shrouded affix
sage remnant
i tried mastery it felt like doodoo
drifting fable
because it is doo doo
odd tree
super doodoo
drifting fable
by FAR out worst stat
sick sentinel
basically everyone stacks near hammer and you want the drill to run at wall while you have the spin guy there too, both get hi, only 1 shot at the hammer it breaks after
sage remnant
oh true
sick sentinel
so you go to next and i think there is 4 in total, but if you can get all them off makes the fight a joke
marsh aurora
pre nerf vers would be kreygasm
odd tree
also tried haste in a run, was sitting at 60% without my ows
urban portal
2% vers is so discusting
sick sentinel
crit gets turned into parry which gets turned into revenge procs
drifting fable
i like crit cuz damage 
urban portal
crit gets turned into parry which gets turned into revenge procs
both of the statements you stated are false
crit % does not turn into parry
urban portal
and more parry does not turn into more revenge
urban portal
is anyone even picking vers now
yeah if you forgot to click
or if you really need it to live
its not class specific
probably key specific
odd tree
is anyone even picking vers now
only when i'm messing around and forget to grab the buff from the start
odd tree
monk?
marsh aurora
cause i run vers in 75% of my dungeons across all chars
urban portal
its not bis
marsh aurora
just bc i don't talk to the guy
urban portal
2% crit def does more damage than 1% vers
sick sentinel
ah right, its just stat, you guys are talking about the buff you get from killing shrouded mobs?
marsh aurora
i think monk would go crit
2% would be different but
they nerfed the fun out of the game
urban portal
and vers is not fun
it doesnt interact w kit in anyways
it just made you stronger
marsh aurora
excuse me but my fun is in reading Details
urban portal
2% crit would also be about the same
sick sentinel
what about delete versa and then versa is mastery
urban portal
for most specs
timber nest
Anyone have a MDT for workshop?
sick sentinel
if its still the same as BFA those squirrel bombs are group deleters
sick sentinel
i think theres loads of CC you can do on them but idea is to have the other player seperate and make it explode then that player rejoins
lusty tiger
Is a boss guide like https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu3dsh6Bc2HW-aFCgMg4kIcVRKKtToL5B
Fine for tanking or do I need to watch/read something else too
Like tank specific
drifting fable
that should be fine. check out https://tanknotes.com for specifically geared towards tank guides
sick sentinel
2 minute tank guide on youtube
drifting fable
that website is nice. lot of stuff pertinent to each fight they point out for each tank at the bottom
lusty tiger
Because knowing the fight is fine but I wanna know like taunt timing and what casts fuck I guess
lusty tiger
that website is nice. lot of stuff pertinent to each fight they point out for ea...
Tyvm
drifting fable
ah well thats just knowing the tank mechanic
lusty tiger
I’ve done CN once on normal when it came out
drifting fable
haste
denathrius is probably the most involved fight for tanks
everyone else is just swap swap, and occasionally one tank runs away
vernal vale
denathrius is probably the most involved fight for tanks
Denathrius is positioning thr fight.
drifting fable
cn is my favorite SL raid, have fun 
bold nimbus
Anyone have a MDT for workshop?
Press w and gg
neon fossil
Which m+ stat we take at the start?
drifting fable
haste
hazy edge
haste
neon fossil
I feel like towards the end I have too much haste.
drifting fable
you dont
hazy edge
^
neon fossil
Okay
sage remnant
theres no such thing
neon fossil
86% haste was a little too much
bronze latch
stop complaining juicy, it was fine 😛
drifting fable
haste helps
neon fossil
I was 34% static, Into the Fray and then the haste buff.
drifting fable
well dont run itf in keys
cinder storm
why are you running into the fray?
drifting fable
first of all
lusty tiger
Woah
neon fossil
Testing
bronze latch
just testing 😛
drifting fable
you wont get max value on itf 100% of the time like you do in raid
ravager is better for snap aggro
lusty tiger
In raid I’m going to be at like 47% passive haste w fray
urban portal
Ravager also just does more damage
neon fossil
Yea, I feel that too.
hazy edge
Ravager does more damage and is more rage gen on 3+ targets on top of being good for threat
neon fossil
When I was running itf I was randomly dropping aggro like before the tank threat buff.
neon fossil
One of the only times I needed to drop a CS in there.
limpid pawn
for dragonflight are we getting reprisal as a talent?
strong forum
we are but its a shitty version and not worth the points
urban portal
also #997237573514690620
median tulip
None of our capstone talents are worth the points
odd tree
the ravager one has to be a placeholder, such a joke
grave crane
BSV for one point isn’t bad honestly 75% reduced dam for 8 seconds once a minute?
muted jolt
thoughts on Fusion Hacker axe?
lusty tiger
Does the OT need to soak this change of heart thing
strong forum
very good for dmg
drifting fable
no you run away with that
drifting fable
far from the raid
lusty tiger
But only the OT gets it?
drifting fable
its whoever gets shared desires or w/e its called when the 1st jar is 66% or higher
the tank debuff
lusty tiger
So that is the taunt swap then?
drifting fable
yes
lusty tiger
Ok
drifting fable
on normal i never saw that mechanic btw
just a heads up
just because we blew past the first two jars
before they filled at all
lusty tiger
Yea if the trial is ok mythic is Saturday, so I’m trying to layer it all really quickly in my brain. Read guide -> watch vids -> do full normal run -> pass heroic trial Friday -> mythic trial Saturday
drifting fable
fair enough, yeah heroic these mechanics will probably happen
bold nimbus
urban portal
its pretty tank intensive
drifting fable
true that was the other one i forgot about