protection

[sick sentinel]

[balmy canyon]

Anyone know if the movement speed protecton will work on sires slow?

from banner I mean

[desert solstice]

Are we still running Necrolord for Raid in S4?

or what covenants are we running for m+ and raiding in s4?

[woeful wagon]

wowhead guide has been completely updated for S4, goes over pros and cons of each but tldr necro

[desert solstice]

Sweet thank you

[warm plinth]

It should, considering ghost wolf and death's advance work on it.

[cinder nova]

Was SKS worth going SR for?

Or just stay rep

Trying to max dmg

What's the recommended CPM of SS? 🤔 18?

[strong forum]

No, that's irrelevant pad

[cinder nova]

Do parses not track add damage?

[oblique garnet]

On sire? yes they do

[cinder nova]

For SKS.

[oblique garnet]

SKS? skullsplitter

Wdym

[cinder nova]

Sun King's Salvation

[oblique garnet]

Oh

yeah no i dont think so

It was removed from allstars when it was current

[cinder nova]

Banner uptime on SKS is QQ

[strong forum]

Need to stack up a good amount during phasing

[toxic pewter]

So just to be clear we should be taking haste buff every dungeon right

[strong forum]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

Ok thank you

[sick sentinel]

even random apps want me to upload logs.... cant escape it

[toxic pewter]

Lol

[devout leaf]

Hi all, not sure if I'm missing something or not, but Heroic council of blood, doing frieda last, her first soul spike hit the group for 70k+? I know each stack makes it do more but that was the first spike, journal says it should be 35k ish? co-tank holding her at the time was brew

like the first soul spike one shot the group

[chrome falcon]

definitely sounds like a bug

lots of bugs happening atm in that place

[sick sentinel]

asmongold attempted to do it but his pug got literal deleted and people breaking cc on huntsman

[ocean yoke]

if youre not in melee range itll do that

we died to the same lol

[lapis jasper]

the soul spike damage increases

that could have something to do w/ it

[unreal sinew]

hows the IP buff feel?

[cinder nova]

Nice nice nice

I got a 291 sheet music

[toxic pewter]

I’ve been away most of the day. Are people doing +15

[ancient reef]

im uh

very confused

how are all my conduits 278

[sweet summit]

should they not be?

[ancient reef]

i never bought that thing

[lethal plaza]

happened to me too

[ancient reef]

im pretty sure , they was all 226 earlier

[sweet summit]

huh

epic

grats

[toxic pewter]

Did you buy that item that guy sells

[ancient reef]

im 100% certain i did not i dont have the flux

i only started backup yesterday

[lethal plaza]

I never bought it. Got CE, but never killed every boss in the raid. Never got 3k io.

[vocal bison]

There is a bug

If you covenant change, sometimes the conduits will go to max level, since the patch

[lethal plaza]

That's gotta be it

[ancient reef]

thats exaxtly what happened

i just swapped kyrian to setup fury

[vocal bison]

Yup

[ancient reef]

does it stay

[vocal bison]

Not sure

It has all day for the people that have had it that I know so far

I would expect it to get fixed at some point

[ancient reef]

lol this conduit bug

little gift ty blizz

it stayed when i changed covs

[nova rover]

Hey guys, cuz my memory is terrible, the charge of boss 1 in grim rail, you cooldown and take it to the face?

[sweet summit]

you want it to charge through you and into the other boss man

[nova rover]

yea but there is no way to move out correct?

[ruby locust]

You got time it’s a short window but you have time

[nova rover]

Hmmm I cant seem to find it so it might be on me, because man he hits hard

[gilded bear]

Is haste the best buff from the new affix?

[sweet summit]

ye

[gilded bear]

thanks

[raw trail]

are we still putting unity on helmet with increased ilvl pieces from raid

[sweet summit]

you want unity on low budget slots once you get items higher than 291, so wrists/cloak is good

[raw trail]

thx thats what if igured

[toxic pewter]

just got 1 of those rings 😛

gotta get second one now from junkyard

[vernal vale]

wrist is likely the best option because it gets a socket automatically

My one drop from the raid tonight

[raw trail]

i did cloak cause i still had a 246 cloak but maybe wrist is better

later

[mighty valley]

god the wod dungeons are janky

[ionic fern]

I DID get the joke. 😦

[brave badge]

So which covenant is performing better in M+?

[sweet summit]

necro

[brave badge]

Thank you

[warm plinth]

Hi Mwahi how are you friend

[vocal cave]

How much did they buff fated nathria bosses stats?

[mighty valley]

like half a tier

and we're gaining a whole tier of gear

and the affixes are on balance positive

so everything will be kinda easy

liquid blasted through almost ever boss with no effort, only really lost to denathrius because of lag and bugs

[vocal cave]

Half a tier over sepulcher or ?

[mighty valley]

Yeah, like all three raids are the same level

half a tier above s3

[silk ether]

felt easier than that tbh, probably because the bosses are less complicated mechanically than sepulcher

some of those affixes are insane too like the shield one if you get it at the right time almost erases entire phases

there are no dps checks just mechanics

[urban portal]

we got defeated because people dint feel like kicking the orb

during council dance

[strong forum]

Heroic should be literal lmao tier

Mythic looks a bit easier

Not a whole lot

[silk ether]

heroic is a complete faceroll

[strong forum]

Which is perfect

Nobody wants another CN heroic week1

[silk ether]

oh for sure, it was fun blasting

[urban portal]

took us 3.5 hours

[silk ether]

poor mages had their ignite bugged though and whined the entire run

[urban portal]

with a shitty CE guild that i was pugging w

[silk ether]

we did up to sludgefist in 2 hours, wiped a couple of times on council because it seems like there's some sort of bug with frida's soul spikes if you keep her last?

kept one shotting the entire raid somehow

[strong forum]

I'll do the normal f-s-n order

Seems easier

[silk ether]

we did her second and the problem disappeared

[strong forum]

Also works

[urban portal]

i always did nsf

i really like the design of council

a different order is a different fight

talking about heroic

[silk ether]

yeah normally we do NSF and didn't encounter that problem before, the soul spikes never hit that hard

certainly not enough to wipe the whole raid

must be some weird scaling bug

those affixes really are op though, they basically canceled both sun king phases

[urban portal]

Ngl don’t think it’s supposed to be hard

[cinder storm]

That what they said it was going to be, a faceroll, to avoid content draught

Hope they nerf scale those dungeons soon

Kara is too hard

[strong forum]

have to

JY is already timeable on 24+

kara? not even remotely

[mighty valley]

iron docks is janky but made sense

i'm in a lower kara and it's a nightmare lmao

[oblique shoal]

is this ignore pain buff big?

[strong forum]

its decent

nothing too insane but good

[urban portal]

Kara lower

The legendary 2 hour keys

[cinder storm]

Yeah, JY is Omega free, timed multiple keys +2 today in the 16-19 range, then went to Kara 15 hoping to learn a new dungeon that I've never done, it was a bad experience, also, the add needs to have it's shield lowered, I am kinda ok with the HP, it's like having to do two commander obelisks at once, but that shield is not fun

Iron docks is also ok, but the train was an hour wipe fest

[uncut notch]

New talents look giga

pretty happy

so glad we keep spear

Magic block will go a long way too

[sweet summit]

#997237573514690620

[orchid frigate]

ok, so avoid lower kara. ☑️

otherwise, is it a good estimate that keys are 3 lvls harder now?

[urban portal]

Yea

[blazing condor]

Wait can you do the CN bosses in any order or am i dumb

Cus people have done sludge but not council

[urban portal]

Sludge skip

Or just lockouts from other people

[mighty valley]

yeah old skip quests are still valid

[urban portal]

Like you go hop around other peoples lockouts

[blazing condor]

oh yeah right

neat

[orchid frigate]

is this the go to dungeon wa for s4? https://wago.io/w_UOz6F-d

[dawn canyon]

It's been out for a day

[chilly brook]

So how's s4 raid feeling?

[dawn canyon]

There is no go to for anything yet

[dawn canyon]

From the liquid stream it looked fucking sick

But mythic slg seemed fucky

[zealous willow]

i have problem

im scared to pres banner

[ionic fern]

Cool.

[brisk sparrow]

are there any thoughts on kara neck and mechagon rings yet? are they worth to keep over any decent itemlvl upgrades?

[zealous willow]

kara neck is bad stats

mechagon rings must be ok

[sweet summit]

kara neck is like 66 proc

pretty shit

mechagon rings with behind+haste is bis

[jagged pier]

it wont be from behind for use

dps maybe erga

[sweet summit]

deep wounds proced it in bfa

assume it still does

otherwise 3 abilities is just as good

[fickle arrow]

Ugh shade of medivh is 🤮… but lawl last boss spell reflect cheese.

[sick sentinel]

Kharazan as a whole is just

Lower is esp worse if you wipe

[lament shell]

sup

belt is a good slot for unity if i play dps ?

[echo egret]

278 neck with 214 haste -> 285 + socket without haste (world boss) , worth it ?

[chilly brook]

Imo more stats>better stats but it really doesn’t matter

[open gazelle]

Omg that 21 lower was brutal

A 1 hour run for no loot to drop niceee

[strong forum]

Cloak

Belt is a medium stat slot, so not a good choice

[topaz field]

but who runs kara when u can go yard 25 already

it must have been a big surprise for game developpers once again that old dungeons need proper tuning

[limpid kite]

what stat we should take vers or haste?

[ionic fern]

Haste

Or Crit.

[onyx vessel]

I pulled a 288 soleahs from 14 gambit

[brittle owl]

why not both

[blazing condor]

craste

[sick sentinel]

yeah khara def needs some tuning

Scaling is a bit much on some bosses and even trash packs

[tender berry]

just my luck 🙂

[ionic fern]

[young glen]

I have literally zero clue about all dungeons except Taz lol

[dawn canyon]

thats the fun part

[tender berry]

do anybody know if world boss drops max lvl cov conduit

[blazing condor]

the drops are better at least

[zealous willow]

i jusut did

grimrail depot

seems like cancer

[sweet summit]

it is

[blazing condor]

i like trains

[strong forum]

okay these dungeons are absolutely dogshit

[wild hemlock]

wod dungeons fucking smackkkkkkk

i get blasted in iron docks

blastged in 13 iron docks. fine in 16 workshop

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

grimrail absolutely disgusting

upper kara kinda scuffed tuning on medivh

lower kara overtuned af

iron dock ive not done yet

[sweet summit]

yeah not a fan at all

workshop is actually so horrendous it's almost funny

[topaz field]

workshop is a good key

big reflects

but its just hilarious and coming as predicted

u will time yard 35

and struggle 25 on others

must be really surprising to a game designer that never actually plays the game

[sweet summit]

i mean the design

the dungeon does not work without awakened

[minor helm]

Workshop sucks

[topaz field]

why would it not work without awakened

u invis pot/belt once

[sweet summit]

have you seen the last gauntlet?

[topaz field]

and gate skip at the end

[crystal hill]

you just gate

[sweet summit]

ah yes just bring a warlock

that is bad design

lol

[topaz field]

yep or deathskip

[crystal hill]

or death skip

[sweet summit]

yep

[topaz field]

so many options

[sweet summit]

point still stands

[minor helm]

They are options not very fun cool or good ones

[vocal bison]

Did 18 iron docks. Last boss seems broken. Are the tracking missiles supposed to go through the crates? Wiped 4-5 times until we just zerged the first guy down and popped all defensive for the 2nd guy to get out of the cannon.

[ionic fern]

No testing. Much bugs

Big surprise

[topaz field]

@sweet summit u know what actually bad design is that no one at blizzard ever noticed how fucking overtuned the defense bots are

[minor helm]

[topaz field]

because no one of their team has ever fought against one for the entire time of bfa

[sweet summit]

that's good design but poor tuning

[ionic fern]

So what dungeons are doable?

Tazavesh?

[topaz field]

ye taza super ez

and both mechagons

pretty ez

[sweet summit]

there's only one defense bot MK III without shield bot

[topaz field]

while yard is completely free

[sweet summit]

and that one you just nuke with cds

[topaz field]

finally reflect for aeril unit again ❤️

i hope you guys enjoy reflecting his ass off

[novel agate]

Lower Kara is interesting. Maiden is a tight fight against that shield. We got it with .5 seconds both times. And it was just a +5 my dps were 270ilvl and not garbo

[drifting juniper]

guys

what stat do we go with the new affix

i think rn starting with 36 haste, haste is not optimal

[lofty widget]

haste

[tropic linden]

What's the difference between berserker rage and berserker shout in the new talent tree? The tooltip is the same

[lofty widget]

probably the shout will affect your party too

#997237573514690620 tho

[blazing condor]

#997237573514690620 🤓 ☝️

[silk pine]

With the new affix could be into the fray probably be stronger than Ravager, with high haste value 😄

had today 0,73 on global at the end without into the fray

[tropic linden]

ohh, thanks

[worthy haven]

Is Necro THAT much better than kyrian/nf?

[chrome falcon]

Yes.

You are gimping yourself pretty hard without it

[worthy haven]

Why

Cuz like

I'm terrible with it

[chrome falcon]

Then you’re terrible at warrior

[worthy haven]

I'm ilvl 261 just did 4.8k overall

[chrome falcon]

The whole class is designed around spending rage

[worthy haven]

With kyrian I did like 6.2k overall

And yes

I'm terrible at warrior

Like silly bad

To be fair I've run 2 keys so far

Hahaha

[chrome falcon]

Ok well that probably explains it

But yes necro is much better

Necro multiplies your dps

Kyrian adds a flat number

[worthy haven]

Fair enough

Also

Should I just dump all rage into execute when I can?

[chrome falcon]

On a low amount of targets yes execute is your best dps

Still prioritise shield slam for rage gen though

[worthy haven]

Ok I think my biggest issue is timing of my abilities

My best uptime i got was 43 seconds on banner

[thorny stone]

press more buttons

[chrome falcon]

go to your class hall

and practice banner uptime

until you can hit 2 minutes

[worthy haven]

But good warriors basically have 90%+ right?

[chrome falcon]

on single target you can easily have infinite banner uptime

so go practice it until you can do that

[worthy haven]

Class hall from legion?

[chrome falcon]

cov hall

whatever

[worthy haven]

Or my cov sanctum tanking dummy?

[chrome falcon]

go find a target dummy is my point

[worthy haven]

But the target dummies that hit me back are the best right

[chrome falcon]

ye

[worthy haven]

New pb

56 sec

This shit is exhausting tho haha

Time to turn the knob up to 11 I guess

[chrome falcon]

halfway ther

remember to pop last stand

proc reprisal properly

prioritise SS over everything

[worthy haven]

OOOOO

Thanks!

[chrome falcon]

aaaaaaaaand he hasn't been popping last stand

that'd do it

[worthy haven]

So basically if I'm running low

Last stand

[lofty widget]

no

[worthy haven]

And heroic leap charge sexy time

[lofty widget]

LS on cd with banner up

[chrome falcon]

don't heroic leap out

it's slower

than just walking out

[worthy haven]

Hold up

I'm confused

[chrome falcon]

and you should pop LS at the start

[worthy haven]

Explain last stand to me

So run in

[chrome falcon]

read your conduits my guy

[worthy haven]

Banner

LS

[chrome falcon]

ok

look

yknow what

gimme 2 minutes

to get into the game

i'll stream it

[lusty tiger]

Anyone have a weakaura for auttumen ghost

[chrome falcon]

i need to just record a 5 minute video showing people how to keep banner up i swear

i'm doing that today

can we stream on this discord

[lusty tiger]

Idk the training dummy thing 2x my banner time basically

After 3x 2min banners in a row

[thorny stone]

yes

[worthy haven]

1min7sec

[lusty tiger]

All 5 min you need to have banner up tho

[chrome falcon]

@worthy haven or anyone else who wants to see how you open with LS to keep up banner join the voice channel

sec

[north rampart]

what stat yall buffing?

[lofty widget]

haste ideally

if you mean the new affix

[vocal verge]

With all the haste we are getting. Do we still need reprisal for shield block uptime?

In m+ that is

[jagged pier]

yes

u need 166% to get 100% SB uptime

[vernal vale]

Hahaha, based on what I've seen it would definitely help people

[jagged pier]

u are just less reliant on repisal

[jagged pier]

we already know most ppl cant keep banner up above 50%, a video might help, but i made one for rep and ppl told me i was wrong and wall was still better

👍

[silk ether]

that rocked thanks @chrome falcon

[chrome falcon]

hopefully that made sense @worthy haven

[worthy haven]

Can you link that macro

[chrome falcon]

yeah i wish i had just recorded that tbh lmao

[worthy haven]

And yes it is greatly appreciated

[remote yarrow]

Would have made a great video man nice one

[chrome falcon]

sure

/cast conqueror's banner
/cast last stand
/use faulty countermeasure
/cast avatar

i don't use that often

it's literally just for the pull

but it's easier than pressing all 4 buttons at once

[worthy haven]

Oooo new pb

1min34seconds

[vernal vale]

I really should do this. My on pull feels scuffed half the time as I press it all.

[worthy haven]

1 minute 35 seconds!!!

[median tulip]

Does Shattering Throw do much to the boss dreadlord's shield?

[vernal vale]

It's a shield so it should do the increased amount

[dawn canyon]

Ye

But dude those fuckers are overtuned

Also fuck the sleep

[worthy haven]

1min40sec

I mained brew last season which is the most chill tank ever

Now it's cocaine tank time

[dawn canyon]

[vapid lynx]

I hate that dude who does blood siphon so fucking much

[vernal vale]

Keep practicing. I can maintain on a dummy until it outright kills me.

Just about building the muscle memory.

[strong forum]

insanely overtuned

the shield needs to be only cast at 60 and 30%

everything else is unreasonable

[bold nimbus]

nice one blizz

[strong forum]

i also had that weapon

[bold nimbus]

272 wep and shield whole season hahaha

now both in vault

[strong forum]

im also still on 272 shield

[jagged pier]

i got 6k gold from mine

[vernal vale]

Sounds about right. Lol

[strong forum]

same

[vernal vale]

6k gold for me as well lol

[bold nimbus]

hmm should i sim it or

[vernal vale]

Take the 6k gold

You'll get a better weapon as soon as you m+ new season

That's why I didn't bother taking 278 shoulders to upgrade from the 272 I had.

[bold nimbus]

oooo

[vernal vale]

Valor is uncapped too

So as long as you get a weapon you can start upgrading.

[bold nimbus]

i opend vdh vault no tokens merit hahahahahahaha

it feels me that i have 12-15 in my bags

hahahaha

18k ez

18ws

[vernal vale]

I don't play alts so no extra gold for me.

[bold nimbus]

bro last couple of weeks there was only tokens on war and fcken dh

[sick sentinel]

game just went live NA for me

[prime kernel]

yo guys, is IP's tooltip showing the correct vaule of the absorb ? it was 55% b4 S4, and they said smth about increasing it by another 30%, but capping the amount at max. of 30% of our max HP right ?

[sick sentinel]

pin

[prime kernel]

or is it still 55% of dmg ingored , but the amount of absorb was increased by 30%,

[wanton blaze]

this

[prime kernel]

oh nvm, didint notice the red dot xD thx

[sick sentinel]

@prime kernel

[prime kernel]

rip, thoguht its gonna be the old IP from Legion QQ

[prime kernel]

yeye i said that i didint notice the red dot at 1st ;P already checked the pins after u mentioned it

[blazing condor]

ew read the channels or disable notifications

[novel agate]

Has anyone bumped a 278+ ilvl dungeon piece to a tier piece. Wondering what appearance it gave

[wild hemlock]

is the vers trink from irondocks any good?

[sick sentinel]

disable all notifications

block @ everyone'rs

block all DMs

[urban portal]

dont think so

think it has the codex issue but less bad

[wild hemlock]

ah i just got a 288 before bed and cant sim til later

[sick sentinel]

life is easier when not constantly harrassed by baDDIINNG (iphone noise) +1 message!!

[wild hemlock]

i literally have all servers muted except for raid announcements of my guild lol

[sick sentinel]

exactly, and even then

they msg me on bnet

[wild hemlock]

was hoping it would we be as good as sigil lol

[minor helm]

I only have raid announcements muted

They can tell me later

[cinder storm]

It's decent, erga did some sims and it competes well

Poor's man sigil

[wild hemlock]

probably use it over my decanter or anima haste trinket lmao

272

[vernal vale]

Biggest problem is no main Stat.

Other trinkets will easily outperform it.

It's not bad if it's your best right now.

But once we get a look at grabbing the good trinkets from sanctum those are just going to be better.

[wooden radish]

are you going to do anything to @sullen valve about his toxic behavior

[cinder storm]

Couldn't link to his post but that's his sim

[sullen valve]

:(
I'm not toxic tho

[serene bear]

As a new prot warrior a video like this would be priceless

[chrome falcon]

ok i'll do it then

[deft hinge]

i`ve had these in my bags for some years now. THEY DONT WORK! well.. I dont work, but they dont either!! 😄

[vernal vale]

Better than I thought. Stand corrected.

[wheat shadow]

We going haste with the shrouded affix?

Feels like extra haste is a bit of a waste

[cinder storm]

It kinda feels like it

Or just press faster

[lofty widget]

nah

[cinder storm]

[lofty widget]

it's % haste so it doesnt get taxed

plus haste gets better the more we have

[toxic pewter]

anyone know how to get raider io addon to show new season stats

[cinder storm]

Wait for update

[toxic pewter]

Ok thank you Mr.Bubbles

[lethal plaza]

What missives do I use for leggos?

[cinder storm]

Haste for sure, most people go versa for second

[lethal plaza]

ok thx

[peak pagoda]

Anybody have a spreadsheet for what you can SR in the new dungeons? Or an updated weakaura?

[distant crystal]

i tanked last boss of workshop on my bear a few times yesterday

boy was i missing spell reflect

[toxic pewter]

anyone know any streamers or videos of alpha prot warr

[distant crystal]

sense is always a good follow

idk if he's doing any alpha rn tho

[toxic pewter]

Ya I just followed sense

towellie is streaming some prot warr atm

https://www.twitch.tv/towelliee

[ionic fern]

He already has a custom name in this Discord, serves as his punishment.

[wooden radish]

he likes it when you punish him 🤐

[chrome falcon]

uploading video of big banner to youtube to show people that it's actually very easy now

[modern brook]

People couldn't play this class when there wasn't a big strength buff for doing it

Mastery

Whatever banner does

[minor helm]

People couldn’t play this class when it wasn’t high on the tier lists

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit hop in time to do a key

[sweet summit]

key bad

did 8

[serene bear]

I couldnt even play in BFA. hand started cramping 30sec into a key from thunderclap spam

[sweet summit]

want to un alive (in game ofc)

[minor helm]

[oblique garnet]

I dont have a key and i cant join pugs

[sweet summit]

damn that's rough

good luck!

[oblique garnet]

Useless

[sweet summit]

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit AYO

[sweet summit]

YOOO

[minor helm]

[urban portal]

no quaking

[oblique garnet]

Honestly this is probably the highest key warrior can tank

[zealous willow]

6 dungeons 6 bosses on normal 1 item 😮

beat my rng

[spark scroll]

anyone have a WA to see what mobs have shrouded? and is there a different shrouded buff for the boss one? had some interesting pulls last night lol

[safe thistle]

Vault capped at 304 ilvl ?

[urban portal]

yes

well 311 if you can down mythic bosses

[minor helm]

For 15 m+ yeah

[safe thistle]

Did couple of 17+ though it would be 308 ilvl

[minor helm]

You can’t get 308 from m+

[safe thistle]

DPS is sick at 10+ stacks

[minor helm]

Upgrading items from m+ caps at 298

[safe thistle]

Look like I'll need to put the leggo to the lowest stat budget item now

[distant crystal]

shouldn't heroic raid be 292 instead of 291?

we're getting ripped off

[safe thistle]

Man pants with 90+ speed zooooom

[chrome falcon]

trying to upload a 7 minute long youtube video on bad UK internet

is a serious trip

[minor helm]

[brave badge]

Scars any good for M+?

[cobalt seal]

no

[hollow kayak]

I'd watch it.
Took a month off wow and I feel like my banner uptime has suffered.
I probably just need to make a date with the target dummy though and put in some time.

[chrome falcon]

should be uploaded in a few hours

[prisma obsidian]

primary stat rings/necks not worth it?

[chrome falcon]

no

[prisma obsidian]

thanks

[chilly brook]

Must be the heat killing your servers

[chrome falcon]

no this is simply

life in the uk

[chilly brook]

I was joking

[urban bane]

Is it just me or do the wranglers in Iron Docks

hurt

[chilly brook]

Iron docks?

[lofty widget]

yup they do

[chilly brook]

What’s that?

[chrome falcon]

i wish that i was

[lofty widget]

according to my healer anyway

[chilly brook]

[urban bane]

wish i could say the same hohoho

[dapper solstice]

hows the ignore pain changes?

[wild hemlock]

nice

[strong forum]

Anyone else feel like they do less dmg?

[jagged pier]

havent played yet

[strong forum]

I feel like I'm doing less dmg

Could be just me being sick and bad

But idk

[minor helm]

No urh or relic pad

[strong forum]

Ya but instead you get perma Lust

[jagged pier]

i mean im old and washed up

so im always low damage

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

Like in the 2 streets I've done, I've done ~11.4k

Gamba 12.4k

[jagged pier]

high k value no?

so still will just hit for less

[strong forum]

That doesn't apply to us

In terms of dmg done

Only dmg taken

[jagged pier]

they could have fudged somthing

[runic sparrow]

Idk we seem incredibly strong in the new keys. Im pulling 14-15k at the least in most keys

[jagged pier]

that was last season numbers tho

🤔

[lofty widget]

im doing 15k+ in every dungeon too

without any gear upgrades

this affix def feels better

[minor helm]

Julor and chimmi the yellow names now

Old out

[runic sparrow]

everything can be reflected it seems

[strong forum]

Idk I feel like the affix does nothing

JY doesn't count cuz zap

There I also do 17k

Workshop is pure ST so its more around 11k overall

[lofty widget]

ok im between 14-15k

i lied

[strong forum]

I legit can't feel the affix at all idk

[jagged pier]

means u already have to much haste

[vernal vale]

In my one bad key I did I was doing 12k lower Kara but everything lived way to long as the paladin died to everything

[lofty widget]

same

[jagged pier]

:nodders:

[lofty widget]

especially cause it defeaults to vers??? and i forget to change it half the time

[jagged pier]

well when i finally get round to keys on firday

ill be able to tell

[mighty valley]

who was in here last night talking about the 21 lower kara they did in an hour

people just making things up? on the internet? smh my head

[vernal vale]

I will be doing more keys starting tomorrow with guild runs

[cinder storm]

I think that list is only for timed dungeons

[mighty valley]

doesn't the lack of star mean untimed

[strong forum]

Which key tho

Cuz every upper key is basically pure ST

[lofty widget]

uhhh iron dicks

iron docks i mean

lol

[strong forum]

Iron docks is so dumb overtuned that we couldn't get any dmg

[cinder storm]

It does, but they might have been close to time, and doing a key over an hour might give less than a 19 close to time, idk

[strong forum]

I was 2nd

With 11k

Had to solo 1st and last boss

[distant crystal]

i had some of my keys from yesterday missing on raider.io this morning

but they showed up randomly an hour ago or so

[vernal vale]

Yeah once you get so far above time it's worth nothing.

[strong forum]

I'll just blame being sick and bad group on my low overall

[cinder storm]

Iron docks is fine, if you compare it to train and kara

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Train is cancer, but not overtuned

Iron dicks is overtuned

[cinder storm]

Had the opposite experience, last boss with quaking was rough on train

[strong forum]

First boss basically goballing dps

Last boss goballing dps and healer

Cat boss being impossible to break out of his feed attack cuz it requires yiu to do 8% boss damage

And last boss ofc having twice the HP of every other boss in the game

[cinder storm]

Cat boss is dumb, he hits you even during his RP

I was like, wtf he is still neutral

[strong forum]

Cat boss does 20k dps on the target he's feeding on

On a fucking 16

That's unhealable

[chilly brook]

S4 good idea, but the lack of testing really showing

[strong forum]

So far I hate s4

Both kara and wod dungeons are awfully tuned

[cinder storm]

Let's talk about maiden's bolts

[ocean yoke]

the dreadlord miniboss is fucking wild

[jagged pier]

just top io players test tbh

so they were easy for them probs

[strong forum]

And yeah, the named dreadlord is also impossible

On an 18 that fucker took us 5minutes

[cinder storm]

I think blizz just tests 10s-15s non affix max ilvl, they time it and then they are like "this is fine"

[ocean yoke]

they cast the shield way too often it feels like

[strong forum]

Yeah

And they don't do phys damage at all

[cinder storm]

hot take, I m ok with the hp, the shield is way too much

[strong forum]

It's aoe - shield - aoe - shield - aoe - shield

Infinetley

We did 6mil dmg to a mob with 2.1mil hp

:)

[cinder storm]

it do be like that

[strong forum]

And ofc like 5 deaths

It should not be this hard on a fucking 18

[cinder storm]

At least the bat is not the one getting the shield

[strong forum]

We still timed the key but

Dumb af

Hate the keys so far

[vapid lynx]

Yeah I did a 18workshop and the infiltrator boss took us longer than any actual bosses because of how often he shields

[mighty valley]

don't think miniboss is worth pulling at higher keys if you can skip it, takes so long

[urban portal]

how do you beat the mind control

crack the shield and kick right

[cinder storm]

kill the bat

stun it

[strong forum]

Stun the bat

[urban portal]

i see

[strong forum]

1 stun is enough

Don't need to kill it

Itll despawn

[mighty valley]

iron docks 16 felt janky but within reasonable tuning range. lower kara 16 felt fucking stupid

[cinder storm]

the kick is for the leech cast

best to simply wait for tunings, and just farm mechagon and streets, maybe iron, where I got poor's man sigil first run 🙂

So I dont need to go back

[undone verge]

Lower Kara fucking sucks

[urban portal]

lower kara is undoable

[mighty valley]

when I shifted my mindset to treat it as a 5 person raid it was really fun

[undone verge]

We had a team of 3k io people and had 100 deaths in a 14 before we called it cause we had raid

[cinder storm]

Those mobs in lower kara truck, it is going to be so hard on fort if they stay as they are

[mighty valley]

it's gotta be nuked from orbit

[strong forum]

Both kara and wod dungeons

Are just not OK

[mighty valley]

i'm not usually this guy but honestly like... did anyone play them

[strong forum]

I played upper kara and both wod dungeons

Upper kara is extremely healing intensive on medivh, rest was okayish

[wild hemlock]

dude iron docks 13 whacked me wtf

[strong forum]

But train was fucked cuz train is fucked

[wild hemlock]

right aftr a 16 workshop which was easy

[strong forum]

Iron docks is fine on tank dmg but unreasonable high dmg on the party

And way too much hp on bosses

[wild hemlock]

literally got whacked in iron

couldnt believe it

[lusty tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ag3LTZAvtyCdDxYb#fight=last

[wild hemlock]

i was terrified going into the 16 workshop lmaoo

[mighty valley]

nothing in iron docks 16 hurt me that bad but the expectations on healers and dps are v high

[strong forum]

Workshop is fine tbh

[wild hemlock]

oh yeah super easy

[mighty valley]

also just some not fun mechanics, like "stop attacking within 1.5s or basically die"

[lusty tiger]

Somehow nobody left my 1:36:00 lower kara there were 2 pugs

Certainly learned all the fights well

[mighty valley]

yeah we sure did learn the mechanics finishing a 16

so when it's nerfed into the ground i'm gonna be so ready

[strong forum]

Idk if theyre gonna be fixed anytime soon

All the focus is on DF

S4 will be a mess for a while

If this shit isn't fixed in 1-2 weeks you might aswell stop

[lusty tiger]

Pls I need copium for hotfixes

[vernal vale]

Yup

[mighty valley]

i don't think they'll spend a lot of time on tuning, think they'll just hit them with a huge bat

don't think they can leave it like this

[chrome falcon]

fated raiding is giga fun atm

lots of executing

[ocean yoke]

it was stupid fun just blasting everything with those buffs

[vernal vale]

Yeah

Now as long as everyone actually knows what they are doing tonight I'll finish a heroic nathria clear.

[vernal vale]

This is what I expect but not until like 3 weeks in to give people time to farm gear and see if it improves.

After all we are all like 275ish to 280

15s drop 288

[cinder storm]

Also, for workshop, hammers are not stunning the boss when you take it's plate off

Gear is not the issue, if they are bad now they will be worse on higher keys regardless of gear

We can time streets, gambit and mechagon no problem

[wild hemlock]

workshop was easy for me

[cinder storm]

Workshop is easy, just needs a few kicks and care on mk III

[wild hemlock]

no one is going to know what to kick next week with inspiring lmao

can someone in here run my shammy through a 15 junkyard in voice so i can learn the route

ill venmo 5 dollars a route learned on new dungeons lmaoo

[cinder storm]

JY literally has one route, you jump to the left get all those zap bots up to the hill where there's an inspiring and bring them down to gunks entrance , if heli is on gunker go to couple, if it's on couple go to gunker, of it's on troll go to gunker

Then you pull whatever except crawlers

[wild hemlock]

i cant read bubbles

im a learn in practice kinda guy

[cinder storm]

I feel you, I'm also a hands on type of guy

[wild hemlock]

like i cant even make it through the youtube guides lmaooo

[cinder storm]

Honestly as long as no one dies, everyone gets the buffs, you can time that key easily whatever your rt easily

[pine slate]

Do you guys bind Cong banner to anything in a macro?

[sweet summit]

nop

[undone verge]

I haven’t really had an issue with ID, some in LK those ghosts and phantoms are awful.

[mighty valley]

i should probably have a Launch Sequence macro for all the off GCD shit I press on pull

[undone verge]

I gotta bind LS to something else, sometimes I press it and it doesn’t register and I forget to press it afterwords

[chrome falcon]

about to try merciless bonegrinder

on the aoe fated affix

wish me luck

[toxic pewter]

Ngl kara both lower and upper are tough. Like all my groups fall apart in there

[runic sparrow]

we just took down mythic artificer in 1:26 lmao

[vernal vale]

I expect big numbers

[chrome falcon]

i fucked it up

screwed the timing

[vernal vale]

Sad day

[chrome falcon]

@runic sparrow can you link the full log

[runic sparrow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PXjTmZqnFJhQ1rzb#type=damage-done&fight=last

he bugged

and only had hp from normal CN

[vernal vale]

Lol

That would do it.

[sweet summit]

ye

boss went from 90%

to 55%

in a second

for us too

mid pull

very epic

[vernal vale]

Lol

That kind of bug had to make for some insane kills

[runic sparrow]

wait apparently its happening to all bosses

for all guilds rn

[vernal vale]

Rofl

RiP any legal parses on those I guess

[runic sparrow]

think they are gonna remove all bugged logs

for sure

[vernal vale]

Yeah, 1min 30 on a boss means it's all burst/execute dps

Hero/Lustre in there as well

Impossible numbers to touch if you are having to do it normally

[lusty tiger]

https://youtu.be/dxQhlZPbq1I what learning banner prot feels like coming from any other tank

[open gazelle]

Why did I just find out outburst causes tc to slow 50%?

[jagged pier]

i dunno

🤷

[vestal moat]

I literally found out just 3 days ago our banner extension only applies to ourselves and not the party. Was yelling at my team for dying to streets boss suck

[wild hemlock]

we would be busted lol

[open gazelle]

Hey whatever happened to fatboss? Just realized they stopped making videos after nathria

[sick sentinel]

Why do people say shield block is better than ignore pain if ignore pain mitigates all damage types and shield block is only melee, and when ignore pain only costs 5 rage more?

[lofty widget]

cause SB is uncapped mitigation

[open gazelle]

That’s just how it is sky

[lofty widget]

and the vast majority of dmg intake is physical (blockable)

[sick sentinel]

Ah yeah, that makes sense

[chrome falcon]

Shield block mitigates a potentially infinite number of melees

[median tulip]

Just had some guy in Workshop call everyone in the party some mental health slurs for making a mistake on Kujo. Because obviously everyone should be completely perfect on a dungeon nobody has run in two and a half years 🙄

[sick sentinel]

i have to do suramar WQ woe is me

[tardy sequoia]

is gluttonous spike hc any worth?

[chrome falcon]

no

nothing is worth apart from the 3 SoD trinkets 🙂

[median tulip]

It's better than the blade dancer's armour kit

[wet compass]

You don't think either of the cn on use trinkets are worth it damage wise?

[chrome falcon]

not compared to sod trinkets

or first sigil for ST damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols

idk if this counts as self promotion or what but @hollow kayak @serene bear you guys said this would be of use to you

just a quick guide to show that keeping banner up 100% is Easy, Actually

[dusky sentinel]

Sup guys! I just got the Enforcer`s stun grenade from Iron docks. On use it bumps up Vers alot. like 20% and thats not counting stacks from affix. Is it any good or is it just a troll trinket? Not the best on maths. Purely survival based tho

[chrome falcon]

it's not actually terrible

it's gonna be worse than the SoD trinkets

but until you get those, it's fine

[strong forum]

okay phew

@lofty widget i did good

https://i.imgur.com/S4zlbvL.png

gamba

[lofty widget]

was the count different in there?

[strong forum]

well route changes

but ye

only need 51% at first boss

[oblique garnet]

@strong forum RAMPING

[minor helm]

[oblique garnet]

Casual +36ilvls on weapon

[minor helm]

[waxen orbit]

I expected a complete deep gigachad voice ngl

[chrome falcon]

nope sorry

[waxen orbit]

Some aussie Corpsehusband type shit

[chrome falcon]

nasally lil' bri'ish

[waxen orbit]

Wa'uh boh'ul

[chrome falcon]

i don't know how anyone tolerates my raid leading

[waxen orbit]

Your voice is fine bro I was playing around

Dw

[chrome falcon]

i know but still

everyone hates their own voice

[waxen orbit]

Fuckin true

[oblique garnet]

ye actually having fun

[chrome falcon]

when you're not listening to it via your own skull

[waxen orbit]

Nearly 2 chested this 21 Junkyard

Dung is so damn ez

STOP DON'T LET THEM HEAR YOU

[oblique garnet]

JY is the same as BFA

[waxen orbit]

^

Freebie

[oblique garnet]

Get bots and win

We hardly did any skips in bfa xd

[tardy sequoia]

if i upgrade a 278 nathria item to tier set, does it get a mythic appearance recolor?

[lusty grotto]

cough shrine

UR/temple/WM sometimes

idk man

[oblique garnet]

in JY

[lusty grotto]

iii

ohhhhh

yea

[oblique garnet]

it was just mostly killing awakened and moving on

[lusty grotto]

true

pretty sure i never did shroud skips in JY

at all

it feels long cause of bot buffs

i think they are not factored in

i mean it kinda does make sense, you lose those when you die, and some people dont even know they exist

i think its fine honestly

basing the timer on optional buffs seems kinda rough

[modern brook]

Smh the classic wow player

"I'm mad this is too easy"

[lusty grotto]

yeah i understand what youre saying

[modern brook]

Followed by " I'm mad this is too hard" when challenging content is released

[lusty grotto]

but by that logic all timers would need to be adjusted every season depending on what buffs the seasonal affix gives

there's obviously more nuance to that whole thing

[strong forum]

BIG

[mighty valley]

Have I missed anything about the new affix that does anything for healer mana

[strong forum]

if you kill it

you regen 6% health and mana for 5sec

every 1sec iirc

[mighty valley]

oh sick

[tardy sequoia]

sell it or equip?

its a BoE

[sweet summit]

sell it

if u need gold

[chrome falcon]

sell it while it's still worth a few k

[sweet summit]

otherwise it's a decent ilvl upgrade but you can easily get better rings from m+ and raid bosses

[tardy sequoia]

i sold it for 275k

[sweet summit]

solid

[chrome falcon]

what the fuck?

275k???

we couldn't get a third of that for a mythic boe!

[tardy sequoia]

265 is 150k while 291 is 550k

seems fair my price is exactly half

[sweet summit]

BoEs have been overpriced since corruption

• race to world first inflating the prices

[lofty widget]

we dropped 6 boes in our hc clear today

for a 10 man

[sweet summit]

sheesh

rng gods or

[lofty widget]

for sure

1 guy got 2, one of them a ring with leech

[plush prism]

anyone have any good prot WeakAuras? Looking primarily for a Shield Block one, but will take suggestions!

[toxic pewter]

I like shrouded affix so far

[chrome falcon]

you can whip up a shield block aura yourself in 30 seconds

[tough fulcrum]

what do we play i m+? haste or vers?

[chrome falcon]

if you just want a process bar

haste

[quaint tartan]

Excuse me I have a quick question, does the necro banner extend only works for myself or for the others too?

[serene bear]

This was sick. Incredibly helpful!! Thank you!

[sick sentinel]

Was wondering that myself

[plush prism]

for sure I know how to make a CD one, I guess I'll have to tinker though because I moreso want an uptime one

[chrome falcon]

it only works for yourself

yeah cosmos i would definitely recommend just checking a guide on how to make a sure basic progress aura

[strong forum]

Haste

[chrome falcon]

literally takes 30 seconds when you know which 3 options to select

[quaint tartan]

Ty

[chrome falcon]

and then you can do it for any ability

[chrome falcon]

[warm plinth]

I thought cosmo was back for a second and got excited

[plush prism]

I'm your dad now, you can visit him on the weekends

[warm plinth]

You're the fake cosmo

[dusky sentinel]

So @chrome falcon . Regarding the video. Are u not pressing revenge at all outside of reprisal/proc windows? Just IP. Or did I miss something?

[chrome falcon]

Nah I'm slamming revenge all the time you can see it in the video

The idea is that you want to slam revenges to send rage

And any excess you spend on IP

[plush prism]

Revenge > IP if you have the option

unless you're actively dying lol

[dusky sentinel]

Yeah it looked like it. But wasnt sure so had to double check

[serene bear]

@chrome falcon During the opener are you just not concerned about overcapping IP im assuming? just trying to spend the rage on something as fast as possible?

[chrome falcon]

you are literally never concerned about overcapping IP

overcapping rage is so much worse than overcapping ip

i have not, in this entire patch, thought about how much IP i currently have up

i just slam the button

[serene bear]

gotcha

[dusk jay]

is the shield from mecha junkyard fgood? salvaged mekacycle shjielding?=

[chrome falcon]

no

[lofty widget]

worst shield atm

[dusk jay]

better than a 272 though right? from last season

why is it so bad?

lack of stats?

[lofty widget]

it's just a shield without secondaries. the equip effect does literally nothing

[warm plinth]

It's better if it's higher ilevel

[lofty widget]

since the shield just break from a gust of wind

[warm plinth]

That's the only time it's better

[lofty widget]

but yea ilvl>anything else for shields

[dusk jay]

yea thats fair, just got it dropped with leech, but ilevel is big increase

[lofty widget]

then its good

[chrome falcon]

ilvl >>>>>>>> everything on shields yeah

[civic holly]

So are prot war meta m+ tank again yet?

[lofty widget]

we are very good atm

[atomic current]

Very fun as well.

[wraith hound]

I am struggling to keep threat in m+, pretty new tank. whats my biggest threat generator apart from the taunts if I may ask?

[chrome falcon]

revenge

ravager

[cinder nova]

🤔 where's your IP on bar? I don't even see you pressing it, but you obviously are

[chrome falcon]

on the right

just occurred that like you don't need IP on your bar at all

you only need revenge because it lights up sometimes

[wraith hound]

I see so then I should prolly keep ravager for tougher situation and do more revenges

[chrome falcon]

no

ravager on cooldown

[lofty widget]

nah you throw ravager on cd, revenge is always enough to grab aggro

and if for some reason its not you can aoe taunt

but you rarely need that

[wraith hound]

Okay... Thing is I, just drop fairly quick hp wise tbh so I am more concerned with leaving enough rage for ignore pain than using revenge and ending up with little to no rage

[lofty widget]

dont see IP as mitigation

[wraith hound]

Maybe I am doing this wrong. I usually charge in and slam/spear/ravager and then try to have my shield block up + ignore pain

[lofty widget]

thats what SB is for

[chrome falcon]

post logs if you have them

prot is very tanky

your hp should not be dropping quickly

oh

wait

you're playing kyrian?

yeah no

don't do that 🙂

[wraith hound]

I was just running a dungeon and the heal told me to spam IP because he had to heal too much. I am a real beginner. I can post logs. No kyrian?

[chrome falcon]

kyrian bad

necro good

[lofty widget]

yea post the log if you have

[dreamy wedge]

Necrolord if played well makes you much, much tankier

[mighty valley]

don't listen to advice from anyone other than prot warriors on prot warrior, it's one of the least understood specs

[last breach]

hi all

[chrome falcon]

if you're a beginner then there's going to be a huge amount you're doing wrong

but post logs so we can get started

[mighty valley]

the TLDR is fill every GCD (trying to hit Shield Slam every time it's up) and only press IP as a way to prevent rage from maxing out

[wraith hound]

awesome support, thanks guys. Here are my logs from today https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7YgbnZ921BV3rAQG/

[mighty valley]

but if you're playing right, even that should be a ton of IP

[wraith hound]

well I only have kyrian unlocked so far and I heard necro was so much harder to play, but if its worth I would buy the 60 renown token and play story

[wraith hound]

I see I am using it way too much then

[chrome falcon]

the only people telling you necro is hard are bad

[lofty widget]

necro isnt any harder than prot

[chrome falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG8aMkCE5j0&ab_channel=Mattacate-TheHexPistols

i made a guide earlier today on how easy banner is!

[mighty valley]

it's the highest APM but the decision making is very simple

[chrome falcon]

i think kyrian is harder than necro

because it's worse

and you're squishier

how could a worse covenant be easier to do well

uh my guy

you pressed IP 22 times

in a 27 minute streets run

that's not too many

that's like 10% of what it should be

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7YgbnZ921BV3rAQG/#fight=8&source=3&type=casts

this is the log i'm gonna look at

Ok so here goes

[mighty valley]

oofa doofa