reroll
#protection
ionic fern
But jeah, pugging can be a nightmare if you're not playing what is considered "fotm".
That's a given.
sweet summit
wtf is wrath
ionic fern
This is the WOTLK channel after all.
cinder dirge
I have a schedule for raid cba having scheduel with friends for m+ u know. Need a life at some point and play pug somewhere forgive me for that x)
strong forum
There's a recent uptake in people realising that pwar is good
And the s4 dungeon dmg profile will likely favour us more than SL dungeons
ionic fern
There's a recent uptake in people realising that pwar is good
These are always AMAZING. - Prot has been good for a while ..no changes (or insignificant changes)..suddenly -some streamer says "oh, wow, prot is good" and then everyone bandwagons.
quaint glade
And the s4 dungeon dmg profile will likely favour us more than SL dungeons
I need to learn the old dungeons again 
cinder dirge
https://tenor.com/view/sheeps-counting-sheeps-jumping-counting-sleep-well-gif-11...
So true mate
ionic fern
Nono, we lowkey only
If anyone here is doing a key higher than a +15 you're getting banned.
jagged pier
If anyone here is doing a key higher than a +15 you're getting banned.
i did a 20 yesterday 👀
ionic fern
i did a 20 yesterday 👀
quaint glade
If anyone here is doing a key higher than a +15 you're getting banned.
I did 21 yesterday too
cinder dirge
Guardian is dogshit tbf.
Pack 1 he clear the fkn pack alone with full cd
Pack 2 he doesnt have any aggro
ionic fern
So the covenant remains the same for s4?
Yes, still NL.
jagged pier
i thought it was venthyr
cause condemn goes
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
sweet summit
red = dumb
jagged pier
ionic fern
minor helm
These are always AMAZING. - Prot has been good for a while ..no changes (or insi...
Live and die by the tier list
ionic fern
The biggest thing to me is..with all these fotm re-rollers..do they just keep all the classes geared 24/7?
quaint glade
I miss being kyrian
ionic fern
I barely can keep my warrior up to date.
quaint glade
But then you become a paper
ionic fern
Still 69 NL
minor helm
jagged pier
quaint glade
zealous willow
Developers' note: We are seeing Protection Paladins dying to melee damage, or mixed melee and spell damage. This change is intended to improve their performance against both those damage types.
quaint glade
You really don't.
20+?
zealous willow
who was the guy sying prot pala dont get one shots
quaint glade
You don’t?
zealous willow
5% spell dmg block is big y
minor helm
zealous willow
some paladins cant keep their armor buffs and die
quaint glade
You really don't.
Aight I’m swapping to kyrian
zealous willow
i mean when ur bad and u cant keep ur armor buff u probably cant decide when to pop up argent defender too
jagged pier
Prot war next meta tank
no only VDH has meta
brittle owl
^
quaint glade
no only VDH has meta
sand drum
i did a 20 yesterday 👀
did 21 yesterday
jagged pier
<:peepohide:841312329424437298> did 21 yesterday <:peepohide:841312329424437298>
mwahis orders sorry
cobalt seal
did a 2 NW deplete yesterday
jagged pier
thats fine
sweet summit
smonk
ionic fern
jagged pier
not even an okay joke
sand drum
if u not agree , u dont know the game
wooden radish
Je, <@222898004598849536>
Hello friend. How are you? Did you get alpha yet? Maybe warrior talents today.
ionic fern
Maaaaybe.,
sand drum
btw friends is there some "skips" in workshop ? since if you kill all trash you get 115% ? hmm rest of dungs are fine imo S4
mortal brook
full sotr uptime was achievable in nathria when we had less than half the spender volume, tbh
wooden radish
Warrior and warlock is what I’ve heard
mortal brook
they arent combo'ing lock and dh so they can give meta back to locks???
sand drum
I miss portal affix 
sweet summit
no
ionic fern
sweet summit
sand drum
guess we wrrooooming with haste S4 as usual ? until you get to GCD cap ? with lust or without
@ionic fern ?
alpine shard
@ionic fern what's best covenant for 13.2?
ionic fern
guess we wrrooooming with haste S4 as usual ? until you get to GCD cap ? with lu...
But yes, haste. 🙂
Prot Shaman
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> what's best covenant for 13.2?
Kyrian with Marileth.
alpine shard
thank you
sand drum
but I dont wanna go over GCD cap with haste ? then its bad no ?
then I dont have to call lust for my group 😈
sweet summit
aim for 166% so you can forget about reprisal 
sand drum
pray for mechagon in vault now I guess :C
summer wagon
anyone got the fix for afenars conq banner tracker?
i cant figure out why its not tracking the buff
sweet summit
check trigger and load
summer wagon
yep
sweet summit
try changing aura name to "Conqueror's Banner"?
summer wagon
isnt the buff called conquerors frenzy?
summer wagon
nope you're right
just had the wrong spell id
where tf did he get conquerors frenzy from
strong forum
🍝
tough inlet
Isn't Conquerors Frenzy the buff from the Banners in ToP?
strong forum
Imagine if we had old banner
mortal brook
back to the dark days of placing banner on ground instead of carrying on back??
sweet summit
shell shale
I loved banner placing and intervene
zealous willow
what warrior will stack as stats from m+ versa ?
lofty widget
haste
cobalt seal
what warrior will stack as stats from m+ versa ?
haste except ppala (mast prob) and brm crit or whatever
zealous willow
thanks both of u
sand drum
Imagine if we had old banner
reprisal with old banners :> sounds like a nice dream
blazing condor
Never fun being forced to be confined to a specific area
mortal brook
tankadins in shambles
wild hemlock
we fat boys today
unreal sinew
Been debating moving into S4 what I would like to tank as.
This will be the 1st time this xpac really trying to get into M+ while tanking
So far I love tanking as a Warr and Pally
I wouldn't mind getting into raiding as well but life is busy so Pug life for me (most likely)
Between those two tanks, which would be "easier" to succeed while dealing with pugs?
chrome falcon
pally easily
warrior is stronger
but pally has infinite interrupts and self healing
cobalt seal
pally 100%
chrome falcon
although interrupts aren't as important in season 4
strong forum
Pally is the best tank for pugs
cobalt seal
skill needed is way lower also
wild hemlock
yeah pally is insane
strong forum
Ya for raiding in s4 pwar is gonna be nutty
Which is bad cuz blizz might decide :"no, number on brown class too big, down you go" again
unreal sinew
Lol ty all
May use Prot pally as like training wheels
Warrior is just too much fun
Blasting with that once I know the dungeons sounds pretty nice
strong forum
thats a gigantic hopium to expect tuning
Not tuning in s4, nerfbat for DF
The way worse outcome
lofty widget
same as every recent expansion then
vernal vale
I'll still play prot
lofty widget
same
vernal vale
I'm always cautiously optimistic.
vapid lynx
I’m committed to the zug zug tanking life, bounced around on tanks this expac couldn’t really click with one until I got on Pwar
wild hemlock
Lol ty all
May use Prot pally as like training wheels
Warrior is just too much f...
the only reason im afraid of starting with my warrior is horrible banner time from not knowing the dungys
sick sentinel
hold W cuz win starts with W
wild hemlock
im studying hard today matt
wild hemlock
dung videos while i work all day
chrome falcon
might suck in junkyard
lofty widget
is going to make banner even better
how so? just easier uptime?
chrome falcon
yeah but also in comparison to kyrian
grave crane
lower cd on ss i think
chrome falcon
more haste doesn't make spear better
but with 24% more str
haste makes banner even more effective
clever heart
do we have a guess as to what we expect our best trinket options are going to be for m+ in season 4 loot pool ?
wild hemlock
the only dungeon ive tanked of this set is tazavesh like twice each and the mechagon where you start with the 2 robots
i jsut always dpsed taz
chrome falcon
just do hc raids for the sod trinkets
median tulip
Workshop is not that hard. You're most likely to lose time on the stealth section
chrome falcon
they're in a different dimension to the m+ ones
wild hemlock
Workshop is not that hard. You're most likely to lose time on the stealth sectio...
i saw a few dungeon guides are saying hold w for grimrail and irondocks
not too much routing
craggy pilot
is ignore pain good after the 30% buff? or still ass?
wild hemlock
better
median tulip
The way to win at Grimrail Depot is to do a different key and reroll it with the keystone trader
craggy pilot
does it change the rotation? or is it still just filler?
craggy pilot
Your rotation is unaffected
ok thx
median tulip
ESPECIALLY on Sanguine or Spiteful weeks; that shit is going to be fucking awful in Grimrail Depot
craggy pilot
are the new dungeons out alrdy?
wild hemlock
today
median tulip
They are in the US
lofty widget
think NA has their reset in a few hours
craggy pilot
oh in US
median tulip
Tomorrow for me
chrome falcon
purely linear and terrible votes 🙂
lofty widget
surely you will be able to skip some trash
zealous willow
i dont like draenor dungeons at all , no real choise
chrome falcon
iron docks you probably can
there are 2 draenor dungeons with choice
and neither of them won
lofty widget
i liked iron docks in TW cause you could use those huge stars to kill everything
chrome falcon
everbloom has more interesting routing than most modern dungeons
median tulip
I think there's a choice of 2 packs right at the start of both, but once you've done the first boss Grimrail is definitely entirely linear
zealous willow
why did ppl vote for this shmutz dungeons then , cus of loot ?
median tulip
But it depends on what the count is ofc
stable valve
why did ppl vote for this shmutz dungeons then , cus of loot ?
The memes
lofty widget
why did ppl vote for this shmutz dungeons then , cus of loot ?
cause train goes choo choo
chrome falcon
because it's a unique dungeon that was very fun the first time
and people didn't consider the idea of doing it
like
30 imes
vernal vale
everbloom has more interesting routing than most modern dungeons
Ever bloom had amazing skips for gold challenge modes
vernal vale
because it's a unique dungeon that was very fun the first time
It also says fuck your camera
wild hemlock
do you guys run bv in dungys
chrome falcon
yeah
finite arch
will IP be better than SB after buff? (sorry if already asked)
finite arch
okay, thanks
chrome falcon
you should always have shield block up if something is meleeing you
no exceptions to this rule
strong forum
IP won't be better than SB unless it becomes an unlimited absorb
Or just an absolutely obscenely large IP cast
Talking multiple HP bars here
sick sentinel
Workshop is not that hard. You're most likely to lose time on the stealth sectio...
fort and tyranical both suck on both sides of mechagon
i didn't like the route for pulling junkyard
gunker trash is annoying, trash king wing is free
lusty tiger
Doesn’t junkyard route change based on the airship thingy that drops the bomber mobs
sick sentinel
its most like, the trash around twins fight, they do alot of dmg, and theres elite robot trash guy that hurts there too, and then some of it on the way between that gunker and into the final boss
you always go gunker or king pretty much though
lofty widget
Doesn’t junkyard route change based on the airship thingy that drops the bomber ...
just the order you pull them in, the pulls are the same
mortal brook
Doesn’t junkyard route change based on the airship thingy that drops the bomber ...
you still prio shockbots towards gunker cuz thats where the thickest of shockbots are, then just swing bondo's if gunker is airship'd
sick sentinel
gunker was the prefered route you guys had me doing
it depends where the air craft is, and what boss you feel like doing really
lusty tiger
Can’t wait to see all the boomers do the slime boss
sick sentinel
+affix group comp etc
strong forum
Yes
crystal iris
not much talk about RDM on the gear page, is the dream dead?
dawn canyon
we get can get Logg at 304 <@192743144276623360>
YUUUUGE
strong forum
? Rdm is literally bis next patch
crystal iris
thats what I thought
I just didnt see it on the dinar prio list
I guess its more for M+
dawn canyon
rdm is like 1k dps innit
sick sentinel
do i just have to go through all the quests in a zone and i get the requirment for achievment to unlock allied races? i don't have to get exalted or farm out or buy ancient mana crystals or finish a raid or something right?
crystal iris
yuge
lusty tiger
do i just have to go through all the quests in a zone and i get the requirment f...
Specific to the race
sick sentinel
im currently on suramar, just only thing is i think there is like, it says go do insurrection, but it needs me do a pre-requiste good suramaritain
so, i guess i have to ... do the good thing here...
lusty tiger
Wowhead has a guide for each
But yes for dark iron I needed the entire war campaign done
sick sentinel
it's just like, i'd feel so much happier if i can make my warlock a void elf or nightborne for example
vapid lynx
I’m going full out for OWS and RDM gonna have me some funnnnn
sick sentinel
i don't really care that its a tiny gain in dps or some other metric, i just like that it fits the theme of my warlock
weary lodge
I’m going full out for OWS and RDM gonna have me some funnnnn
I'm thinking the same thing. I like ows for a lot of reasons, but especially because it can be used as a DPS spec.
sick sentinel
dark iron shaman whenever i make a alliance shammy
vapid lynx
I'm thinking the same thing. I like ows for a lot of reasons, but especially bec...
Yeah I’m not doing fury this patch, just DK/Ele for my dps needs but grabbing OWS first on DK too
weary lodge
Yeah I’m not doing fury this patch, just DK/Ele for my dps needs but grabbing OW...
You really want OWS and RDS over aegis and RDS? I feel like those two were so good together from a defensive standpoint
lofty widget
if anything you would swap RDM for aegis if you really feel like you need it
vapid lynx
I like haste, I’m a haste addict
lofty widget
but its probably overkill in most situations to run aegis
mortal brook
rdm feels like the tepid middleground between aegis and a proper dps trinket
sick sentinel
vapid lynx
Excuse you I’m going dreadfire vessel what you mean 🤣
ionic fern
minor helm
We need a nopers
mortal brook
maybe a nice ows/eoc cuz stats are neat
steady lantern
So are we excited about our IP buff?
lofty widget
sure
strong forum
Can you be excited about smth you've asked for, for years?
minor helm
Didn’t sleep any last night just cause of IP buff
strong forum
But ye it's good
mortal brook
i cannot contain the excitement that they buffed every single tank that needed it in an appropriate way
wet pine
With CN starting back up does anyone have any lesser known tanking tips for any of the bosses?
mortal brook
oh wait
minor helm
steady lantern
kinda curious to see how much more the IP heal conduit does
steady lantern
love it...
vapid lynx
Wonder if it would have been good if I let could have gone past the cap
strong forum
Okay not quite literally 0,but pretty close to 0
chrome falcon
it would have been pretty good if it could go over cap
crystal iris
but its probably overkill in most situations to run aegis
This again?
steady lantern
back to 10.0 waiting room
lofty widget
This again?
huh
chrome falcon
idk there was some big argument yesterday about people saying aegis wasn't actually good because it was overkill and you didn't need it
it was dumb
sick sentinel
how many hours should it take to do 2 zones of quests like all the quests including look up shit and breaks
crystal iris
Real men go SFA or scars
Do you have like an alert whenever someone mentions trinkets that auto posts your scars propeganda? 😂
sick sentinel
say suramar and the other one hmt
strong forum
how many hours should it take to do 2 zones of quests like all the quests includ...
2 zones of what
lofty widget
i mean when i press it literally 5 times in 27s id rather run RDM
minor helm
Do you have like an alert whenever someone mentions trinkets that auto posts you...
No I’m a loser
strong forum
Legion? Hmm..
minor helm
Stuck in the wage cage
chrome falcon
how many hours should it take to do 2 zones of quests like all the quests includ...
how long is a piece of string
crystal iris
huh
Y’a someone was saying 8s was useless just play better who needs defensive trinkets
minor helm
sick sentinel
i just don't wanna get stuck 17 times for 40 minutes on random quests lol
crystal iris
Like 8s isn’t going to save your life in a pull or something. Idk I think aegis is fkn amazing
lofty widget
Y’a someone was saying 8s was useless just play better who needs defensive trink...
ok ill rephrase, for me personally, aegis is overkill and it probably will be for anyone playing very well as well
ionic fern
Just pull more. 🙂
crystal iris
It’s 8s that your healer can do more DPS
lofty widget
its a good trinket, but the times i need that "immunity" are frequent enough for me to justify bringing it
minor helm
Only way to get aegis value is to make it give you value
crystal iris
And that you can do DPS instead of spending on défensives
chrome falcon
your healer should be able to do dps anyway if you're not bad
lofty widget
yea
chrome falcon
and what do you mean "instead of spending on defensives"
we don't "spend on defensives" anyway
lofty widget
i dont lose dps from pressing SW yknow
chrome falcon
i'm not saying aegis is bad but it's not necessary for good players
crystal iris
Idk with aegis up I tend to dump more I to revenge than IP sans SB
But it’s super minor
patent osprey
i'm not saying aegis is bad but it's not necessary for good players
Ouch :(
chrome falcon
you should be dumping into revenge anyway
lofty widget
i'm not saying aegis is bad but it's not necessary for good players
right that was more my point
crystal iris
Fair enough
chrome falcon
yes pika obviously crackheads doing keys that are higher than my IQ are exceptions
crystal iris
I’m just salty because I’m not a good enough prot to play without defensive trinkets
chrome falcon
you started like 3 days ago lmao
crystal iris
I don’t feel like I need defensives on monk
crystal iris
you started like 3 days ago lmao
No?
chrome falcon
oh maybe i'm thinking of someone else
crystal iris
Just came back to it 3 days ago. I keep trying it
crystal iris
Sunk a lot of hours into it a while back tanked a few 20s in pugs
sick sentinel
i joined the re-roll club
crystal iris
Everytime after a week or two I get frustrated and go back to an easier tank
sick sentinel
made a pala monk and dk
chrome falcon
well yeah that's the problem
commit to it for a month or two and you'll actually be good at it
crystal iris
My warrior is by far my most geared toon since I’m fury for raid
I actually love prot for raid tanking
crystal iris
commit to it for a month or two and you'll actually be good at it
I might y’a
sick sentinel
if i get a good 2 hand weapon i am set
crystal iris
I like underdog cLasses
sick sentinel
my 2h is OKAY but its nothing worth writing home about and thats the only problem
not even 272, or one 272
crystal iris
Like I’m always impressed when I see a prot tank in a higher key because it’s not something I can do despite trying lol
Vs other tanks where it’s like ok i can do that, same with healers and DPs
topaz field
i mean when i press it literally 5 times in 27s id rather run RDM
in s2 i always ran rdm on tyra and aegis only for some hard fort dungs like dos or sd
crystal iris
So y’a goal is to get to that point. Although I do like being able to soft carry groups when I’m tanking that’s always bothered me on prot
topaz field
the rdm st dmg is too good for tyra to not play it
sick sentinel
ohhh i got that 1 hand weapon from LFR vault last week has some weird effect (mage, int weapon)
only option i could chose for him, or one i liked or something, but, seems like L
crystal iris
What are you talking about man?
chrome falcon
don't worry about yogi
he just does his own thing
he's been keeping us very up to date on his levelling recently
crystal iris
That’s an odd looking prot warrior
sick sentinel
he's mostly finished and i don't have many questions until i try a key
outside raiding normal/heroic, did pretty much everythiing wanted to
i just don't want to limit myself to only prot warrior any more
i feel like is main character, sure, i guess, but time to try somethin else
crystal iris
I dont even know what class you are talking about rn
sick sentinel
prot warrior
crystal iris
yes i saw that
sonic crag
Real question, we still running Reprisal Necro for these dates raids? As I recall Nathria had a few bleeds that made Kyrian Phial quite useful
sick sentinel
probably
sick sentinel
i'm going to assume necro until they litereally make it a grey vendor bait item
chrome falcon
^
grave crane
nah necro reprisal way better . the amount of rage we gen will make SLG bleed a cake walk
sonic crag
But also, I think some fights like Slusgefist The Wall might be a better option
chrome falcon
nope
grave crane
nah
shut summit
No
chrome falcon
reprisal gives you 100% blocked hits on sludgefist
grave crane
nyet
crystal iris
reprisal gives you 100% blocked hits on sludgefist
how?
grave crane
every yell you charge
shut summit
By charging
chrome falcon
press shield block, charge, and intervene?
crystal iris
oh ya the yell
chrome falcon
that would be my advice
crystal iris
can you safely intervene a melee?
chrome falcon
no but just do it to your tank
sonic crag
Right but the charge weaving might screw over a melee if you out range your cotank
crystal iris
so you take double damage?
patent osprey
if you chain partner isn't your other tank, just kill them so u can charge and execute 
lofty widget
you charge every time he stomps
shut summit
I intervened my tank ye
chrome falcon
Right but the charge weaving might screw over a melee if you out range your cota...
so don't outrange your cotank
grave crane
why would it mess up your cotank if he gets knocked back too?
chrome falcon
it's a bit awkward but
waxen frigate
if you chain partner isn't your other tank, just kill them so u can charge and e...
Chad
sick sentinel
sludgefist and to a lesser extent week 1 and 2 of CN was what really killed (not) my will to do raiding
crystal iris
wait wait
shut summit
Wasn't scary back then will be ultra safe now to intervene tank
crystal iris
if you intervene the other tank dont you take double damage?
jagged pier
its melee
lofty widget
so?
chrome falcon
from one melee
jagged pier
u take no damage
sick sentinel
i remember going to CN lfr as probably arms doing SF and it was the worst thing ever
chrome falcon
that you have shield block up for
crystal iris
okok just making sure haha
grave crane
its our main mitigation?
sonic crag
Okay thanks. I did CN as VDH so I was thinking Reprisal play style would hinder warrior
grave crane
thats our bread and butter
waxen frigate
Just do what I did and play brew
crystal iris
I do
waxen frigate
And solo sludge half the time because your cotank sucks
grave crane
cringe
waxen frigate
Ez stomps
lofty widget
actually, can we solo tank sludge now?
chrome falcon
if there was no chain mechanic prot could probably solo sludge
no chimmi unless you play a 19 man raid
crystal iris
Im actually not sure how prot mitigation fully works tbh
sick sentinel
speaking of stomp, i love NF brew
shut summit
Easily yea without chain
chrome falcon
uhh
crystal iris
blocking with SB
grave crane
shield up damage down
grave crane
shield down damage up
chrome falcon
no really that's about it
lofty widget
block is just a DR on any blockable thing
grave crane
no deeper only block
chrome falcon
you block melees and IP anything else
lofty widget
same as any other DR
crystal iris
blocking reduced the hits by a % thats dictated by your mastery right? like 30%
chrome falcon
no
lofty widget
np
chrome falcon
it's 30% base plus the block value on your shield
then sometimes mastery doubles that
grave crane
you have a higher chance to crit block
chrome falcon
mastery gives you block chance, crit block chance, and attack power
jagged pier
blocking reduced the hits by a % thats dictated by your mastery right? like 30%
no it block dr comes from block value on your shield, shield just means every blockable attack against u is reduced by that amount
grave crane
them sludge fist SS gonna be nutty
crystal iris
but your block chance is 100% with SB anyway
jagged pier
its around 40% with285 sheild
chrome falcon
yes
chrome falcon
the block chance part of mastery is basically useless
jagged pier
and everything else
grave crane
yeah that portion of mastery is kinda dumb maybe theyll make it better
crystal iris
so you get like 40% DR on melee hits just with SB up
chrome falcon
with a good shield yes
crystal iris
ok so hear me out
how do we just not take damage from melees
im not arguing that we do, I know SB makes us a wall
lofty widget
cause we have armour as well
chrome falcon
because you also have a shitload of armour
crystal iris
im just trying to understand behind that
crystal iris
ok so armor plus SB plus indom + some IP
lofty widget
and IP absorbs a non-0 amount of dmg too
chrome falcon
and then you have IP reducing it by 55%
grave crane
i dont know how it works i just know that i press SB and suddenly melee dont hurt so bad
lofty widget
IP is the last dr iirc
grave crane
nah codex is last lol
crystal iris
i dont know how it works i just know that i press SB and suddenly melee dont hur...
ya i know but im a curious guy
jagged pier
how do we just not take damage from melees
well you will never take 0 damage from a melee, u can mitigate a shit tone tho
sick sentinel
jagged pier
SB > armour > IP > flesh > CDs
crystal iris
well you will never take 0 damage from a melee, u can mitigate a shit tone tho
ya thats what I notice. It looks like you take 0 damage
oh wow flesh is behind all that too
grave crane
im just memeing duru its always important to know the class
crystal iris
it wont make me any better but its interesting
grave crane
i mean understanding is the first step to learning. you figure stuff out and how you see it can affect how you play it
crystal iris
so if a hit is 10k baseline, then SB + armor reduced that to 4k, then half of that 4k eats into IP?
leaving you with a 2K hit, then if SW is up you take 50% off again? I didnt know CDs came last
grave crane
i think armor reduces by 50% so 6k to 3k to 1.5k from ip and then FC?
crystal iris
the numbers are meaningles its more of an example
but I think thats it
I didnt know SW came last
waxen frigate
yea if theres not a cap
grave crane
i suppose that is it and news to me. i just press it on pulls and get it back hopefully in a minute
waxen frigate
it's irrelevant when it happens
its not blood mastery, celestial brew, or paladin avenger's shield
crystal iris
Its not entirely irrelevant
the only difference in it being before or after being the absorb shields
waxen frigate
yea it's only relevant if there are absorb shields--which I guess, IP
crystal iris
the % DR is all the same but SW being after eats more IP / FC
which isnt really that big of an issue
because fuck ip
do we know the updated haste value for mecha rings btw? wowhead has them at level 50
lofty widget
@ 293 ilvl
lofty widget
do we know the updated haste value for mecha rings btw? wowhead has them at leve...
you can change the ilvl of any item on wowhead if you click the "item version" below it
toxic pewter
How I get that ring
crystal iris
you can change the ilvl of any item on wowhead if you click the "item version" b...
ty
crystal iris
How I get that ring
mechagon
nova idol
Last boss from mechagon workshop/vault
toxic pewter
Which one
crystal iris
bruh
toxic pewter
Oh
crystal iris
does it matter which boss drops it?
toxic pewter
Do both rings drop in workshop
nova idol
Junkyard gives the do X and workshop gives the then Y
stable valve
execute too good
where's my above 80% execute and below 20% execute with banner 😦
lofty widget
in DF
grave crane
hopefully they keep it physical and not shadow damage like condemn
crystal iris
I thought shadow was betteR?
lofty widget
it was physical in the datamined stuff iirc
crystal iris
bypass armor
urban portal
I thought shadow was betteR?
is a vacuum yes, but then condemn has a lower tooltip damage
so it ends up being the same
and there are issues of condemn doing less damage to cloths than execute in pvp
crystal iris
I guess they could just buff the numeric value as well for DF
make it the same but better
urban portal
depends on whether they wanna buff execute
grave crane
it was physical in the datamined stuff iirc
i could have sworn i saw shadow damage in an updated tool tip
urban portal
its mainly the pvp implementation
it literally doesnt matter for pve
physical at x is about the same as magic at 0.7x
grave crane
the only good thing was the execute charge for condemn and going through bop
urban portal
but it gets very weird in pvp
urban portal
then why does it matter if its shadow or not lol
crystal iris
I think i got my first rating last season
urban portal
the only difference in pve is monk buff vs dh buff
crystal iris
Idk if it was the same dam as execute but as shadow thats more PVE damage
unless im not understanding it correctly
I assume some mobs in raid and keys have armor that would be bypassed
urban portal
urban portal
I assume some mobs in raid and keys have armor that would be bypassed
nope, 0
crystal iris
oh really? LOL ok nvm
urban portal
like i said over and over again, everything in pve has the same armor
also this is the tooltip of the datamined condemn
crystal iris
alright well thats the first i hear of that
urban portal
seems like an augment talent for execute
lofty widget
like i said over and over again, everything in pve has the same armor
thats the k-value right?
urban portal
no, k value applies to players
let me verify in the simc discord
about the 30%
but k value is just a way for armor to not go too out of control in pve
lofty widget
i thought there was something similar for mobs, but guess not
lament shell
hardy snow
isnt ring better than wrists? more main stat possible
sweet summit
mechagon rings
hardy snow
ah right, and neck?
toxic pewter
I just do feet and belt myself
sweet summit
karazan neck(?)
hardy snow
there is a good neck for tanks? what it does?
sweet summit
thorns ish effect iirc
toxic pewter
Especially since legendaries can’t go higher than 291, want them in weakest stat slots
crystal iris
karazan neck(?)
does this work in karazan only?
sweet summit
no idea
sweet summit
does this work in karazan only?
assume it works everywhere?
sweet summit
nah fuck that one
crystal iris
saw it on the fury BiS list didnt know choker existed lol
toxic pewter
Is that from upper or lower
sweet summit
doesn't seem bad compared to KT neck (298 vs 311) the damage proc does not exist/work in sims so idk
only downside is 0 haste on a neck
deep steppe
Is that from upper or lower
from Attumen the Huntsman
toxic pewter
Ok I think that’s lower
deep steppe
the damage wont be that high as its an old screenshot but still
sweet summit
unless they fix that
i would assume it's all scaled to and working at 60 no?
grave crane
i think they said they were scaling things up so that most unique things were intact but that remains to be seen
mortal brook
i would assume it's all scaled to and working at 60 no?
the throttle was still in place last build
we'll see
hopefully gets fixed if not already
sweet summit
that's so cringe !!!
shut summit
!!!
modern brook
!!!
minor helm
guess we wait for NA to start existing then
Inb4 servers come up right before 9 pm again
patent osprey
!!!
sweet summit
what is 9pm in human time
brittle owl
???
dawn canyon
in eu time
minor helm
13 hours from now
sweet summit
oh no
dawn canyon
sweet summit
demonic
dawn canyon
6 am
minor helm
No lmao 11
dawn canyon
4 am
minor helm
Time math hard
sweet summit
still demonic
minor helm
brittle owl
is this the time reading class in kindergarten?
modern brook
Smh Imagine doing math instead of dming erga then apologizing if it's late so he'll tell you the current time
sweet summit
brittle owl
sand drum
do we have some status on NA and when they are up 
sweet summit
no
brittle owl
na is 📉
waxen frigate
do we have some status on NA and when they are up <:Pepexecute:59560652527239171...
2 hours estimated
from now
sand drum
btw for gunker could you not outrange (pool of green shit) if you where range ? idk if they will fix that probly not
lofty widget
yeah i think you could
chrome falcon
i wonder if our average banner uptime is going to be worse in keys now without urh
or stay about the same thanks to haste
urban portal
probably worse
chrome falcon
yeah losing LS casts is brutal
topaz field
really key dependent but i guess its really bad compared to urh
lofty widget
well should be the same ish
minor helm
It’s fine cause you can just fight the big dreadlord guy for 10 minutes and stack up banner
clever heart
do we know when the other new dungeons will be added to here ? for those of us with small brains who dont know what to spell reflect
minor helm
When sense gets a chance to
shut summit
didnt feel like doing anything on PTR and shit
so will be updated as i do them on live
clever heart
didnt feel like doing anything on PTR and shit
hey ur fine boss ! you streaming new 15+ today ?
shut summit
ya prolly
clever heart
sick. I'll def tune in.
ty for the time and effort with the resources guys. the docs are great.
topaz field
hopefully its quaking spiteful and grimrail depot only thats an uninstall angle
carmine pine
sense always doing gods work
topaz field
i dont think there is a god if he allows grimrail depot to get into m+ pool
carmine pine
at least it wasnt ubrs
lofty widget
it will be good guys
chrome falcon
UBRS is a better dungeon than grimrail in terms of design
but honestly
it might be the only one i would hate more than grimrail
shut summit
at least it wasnt ubrs
💯
chrome falcon
fuck that place
carmine pine
ubrs was so unfun on challenge modes
topaz field
also workshop is so retarded
chrome falcon
plus holy shit can you imagine actually
travelling to ubrs
like 3 times a week for a key
lofty widget
thats why you do a +20 asap and just port there always
shut summit
also whos rdy for the mechagon maze thing, where you hafta use vents to avoid the bots or w/e
cuz you always just portal skipped it
carmine pine
haha giant waste of 2-3 min
lofty widget
cant we leap that?
chrome falcon
can't we just leap over that
shut summit
i meant for watching the group
chrome falcon
oh
shut summit
failing 5+ times
lofty widget
oh yes
chrome falcon
lofty widget
good times inc
grave crane
oh that shit was annoying lol didnt know we could leap over but i was also mega casual in bfa
chrome falcon
i don't actually know if we can
i played pink class
because bfa warrior was so piss boring
lofty widget
i pretty sure we can
shut summit
you could from what i remember but will see
carmine pine
the only saving grace of grimrail is that its quick
lofty widget
do we know the timer of the wod dungeons?
carmine pine
that too
carmine pine
junk/workshop will feel really weird without portals
chrome falcon
pretty sure mechagon is going to be fucking garbage
those dungeons were mid with awakened
lofty widget
atl east workshop
chrome falcon
and awakened was an amazing season
lofty widget
awakened didnt do that much for JY
carmine pine
was trying to make a route and im just like.. i want to skip all this
strong forum
10 minutes
less
carmine pine
was like 8min back then? for grimrail
strong forum
literally gonna be a 1 lust dungeon
strong forum
was like 8min back then? for grimrail
fastest run was less than 3min
carmine pine
4 enhance blood dk?
strong forum
nah brew
carmine pine
i know 4 enh was the meta
strong forum
the runs ive seen were all 1 healer 3 dps 1 tank
carmine pine
really hmm
strong forum
ya thats the one i saw
cursive silo
for just doing 15s is haste from the shrouded affix the play?
chrome falcon
yes
lofty widget
for any key lvl tbh
chrome falcon
and for doing anything else
anyone who tells you to take vers
can be safely blocked
chrome falcon
true and based actually
lofty widget
how much crit can we get wit haffix?
cursive silo
ty 👍
chrome falcon
i'm taking crit on good banner keys
strong forum
like 80 % in some dungeons?
nah, more like 30-40%
lofty widget
i wish you could swap which stat you took mid dungeon
urban portal
i dont wanna get carpal tunnel in a 15
lofty widget
like 5 stacks crit and rest into haste
urban portal
taking 40% haste
strong forum
i wish you could swap which stat you took mid dungeon
that would lead to absolute degenracy
people will make a WA
urban portal
that would lead to absolute degenracy
holy shit that would be so degen
strong forum
to automate the process
urban portal
literally running stat weights on the fly
lofty widget
haha fair enough
chrome falcon
the defensive benefit of crit is that everything is dead
lofty widget
just saying, get to the 100 % crit execute mark wit hAJ, then rest into haste
chrome falcon
minor helm
minor helm
sweet summit
modern brook
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
slim zinc
nah, more like 30-40%
more like 20-30%
sweet summit
scribe is not the issue, shadowcore and bonestrike are the issues
drifting juniper
they remove the ignore pain on reflect and remove the chunk of my hp
sweet summit
yes it is normal
sturdy sable
My favourite is that bone strike isnt blockable
sweet summit
reflectable tho
lofty widget
shadow dmg isnt it?
sturdy sable
Its legit a dude wacking me with a bone
lofty widget
a magic bone
sweet summit
yea it is shadow
chrome falcon
sharp dew
Hot take- The wall>reprisal in upper kara. 95% magic dmg dungeon, big spike magic dmg, big soaks, big magic dot ticks, all trash magic dmg, SB will be 100% effective uptime on trash and probably ~80% on curator who doesn’t melee that hard. Mediev and watcher will be 100% effective uptime, SW uptime will be much more effective. Is it needed?-Not really, is reprisal needed?-not really. For any of the other top tier legion prot warrs who remember upper, your sb will only really be needed on curator which will have a decent uptime due to puddles and evocation. Food for thought, something fun/different if you want to run a different legendary in the only dungeon possible to do it in besides memeing in low keys
minor helm
can you share twitch pleasy
Can always just click on profiles and see if they have links to stuff
urban portal
Hell no I’m running seismic reverb is that’s the case
lofty widget
Hot take- The wall>reprisal in upper kara. 95% magic dmg dungeon, big spike magi...
nah, SW CD with reprisal is like 1-1.30, the wall doesnt actually lower cd that much more
and youre just giving up free revenge procs and SB (which also means more SS dmg)
the rage gen of wall and rep is about equal im psure
sharp dew
True, the cd’s are so low nowadays with banner and AM
cobalt seal
no longer hot take?
urban portal
Well I’d imagine with wall you’d get like 45s
I mean you can test it
No one can force you to play something
Just test it and report back
chrome falcon
the rage gen of wall and rep is about equal im psure
wall's rage gen will go up with all the extra haste
sharp dew
no longer hot take?
Maybe in a high key purely for survival if your group doesn’t have soaks covered
Or you’re really light on interrupts
cobalt seal
Reprisal scales worse with secondaries
just so nome can burst a vein in his brain when he gets back
livid dagger
What seems to be the best secondary stat to take for keys?
urban portal
Haste
livid dagger
for the affix
lofty widget
haste
livid dagger
do we still stack haste on our gear with that in mind?
chrome falcon
yes
lofty widget
yes
cobalt seal
just so nome can burst a vein in his brain when he gets back
@strong forum forgot to pin
lofty widget
haste gets better the more we have
sharp dew
Never can have too much :p
cobalt seal
REEEEEEHHHHHHHHH
sharp dew
I’ve been laying here just waiting, waiting and hoping that blizz maintenance is actually going to be done on time
woven lance
What's the best first thing to buy with Dinar if your focus is high m+ in s4 (23+ keys)?
lofty widget
ows probably
sweet summit
can go wrong with shield if you're not able to upgrade it fully
urban portal
If you are never touching raid afterwards
Then it’s aegis ows rdm
Yeah you have to be able to down mythic bosses for shields to be worth
Are they changing k values for 9.2.7
I’d imagine so
jagged pier
Aegis/OWS/SHield
RDM gunna be better harded to get than aegis
crystal iris
Servers up?
mortal brook
Servers up?
servers are indeed ||⬇️|| lesgo
jagged pier
Heroic rdm is less fine
u can upgrade ither
it doesnt matter
u want to get one of the trinkets from any of the difficulties
so u dont have to only buy trinkets
urban portal
But you can down first x
woven lance
Aegis/OWS/SHield
What shield?
jagged pier
What shield?
lords shield
urban portal
Any end boss shield
sweet summit
LoD
crystal iris
Aegis/OWS/SHield
No RDM?
chrome falcon
but i really don't want to buy aegis/ows/rdm
and then get that item on my next sod clear 2 weeks later
so it's kinda gross
jagged pier
u dont have to insta buy
chrome falcon
you can upgrade any item right? no just the dinar one?
crystal iris
Aegis probably won’t have to buy, maybe not RDM but I think I’ll have to buy OWS
jagged pier
you can upgrade any item right? no just the dinar one?
any
shut summit
you can upgrade any item right? no just the dinar one?
yup
chrome falcon
nice
shut summit
do LFR get trinket
jagged pier
☝️
chrome falcon
is dreadfire good for ST? probably just worse than RDM/OWS/sigil right
crystal iris
If you don’t insta buy OWS, you have to go another 2 weeks before getting another shot at it (if you don’t get on week 2)
ionic fern
LFR harder than nm tbh
jagged pier
is dreadfire good for ST? probably just worse than RDM/OWS/sigil right
probably worse/ u wont want to loose OWS at least
and on alot of fights RDM is just broken anyway
sweet summit
you also forgot about another damage trinket available again soon 👀
jagged pier
faulty counter measure
chrome falcon
no don't
jagged pier
chrome falcon
i can't
sweet summit
chrome falcon
i can't do another 50 runs
minor helm
chrome falcon
giga cba
crystal iris
So many acronyms
jagged pier
i dont think thats going to be good for us tho
chrome falcon
eoc is the crit one right