ya ya youre the best im sure little baby key +21 fort halls dogs x 4 enraged
#protection
broken crater
point being every tank should be able to do that because its a 21
except maybe druid and ppal? not sure about the latter
crystal iris
ya no
chilly brook
man goes nuclear because I said I preferred 8.3 veng to SL
chilly brook
cring
broken crater
monk likely can
cobalt seal
man goes nuclear because I said I preferred 8.3 veng to SL
I gave you the reasons
crystal iris
prot warr theres no fkn way
cobalt seal
like current vdh
toxic pewter
Anyone have any season 4 tips
cobalt seal
rng mitigation
crystal iris
that bleed destroys you
cobalt seal
is dogshit
toxic pewter
Anyone got any tips
chilly brook
and you def would have had more than 50% uptime on meta in 8.3
chilly brook
between VoP and gluttony if you were really shearing
solo tank strats in bfa as veng with spam and glut pretty much showed that for sure
broken crater
that bleed destroys you
does it? 6 stacks tick for 28k on a 28. obv shouldnt get to 6 stacks but you get the point
chilly brook
not sure what's funny about that
cobalt seal
your arguments
crystal iris
does it? 6 stacks tick for 28k on a 28. obv shouldnt get to 6 stacks but you get...
well theres 4 so theres an instant 4 stacks, double it since theyre enraged, then double the melee hit
chilly brook
It's not even an argument
broken crater
but if you get clapped by enraged melee hits on 21 thats on you
chilly brook
I just enjoyed 8.3 Veng over SL veng
crystal iris
maybe for a few seconds with SW
chilly brook
Uptime on meta was extremely high in BFA
crystal iris
ya you should negate the hit but the point is theyre going to hurt and you should run
chilly brook
This is a known
broken crater
sigh im gonna check tattmans logs
chilly brook
Other than that it's just preference
cobalt seal
Uptime on meta was extremely high in BFA
we will see in next patch
if it's that higher
chilly brook
?
broken crater
avg melee from a dog on 29: 9.6k
broken crater
so yea
pwar can tank that on 21 too
peak ticks for 60% of what i take on 28 btw https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/89tcRVjyBpfaZDrP#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=1&target=14&ability=344993&view=events&start=1219641&end=1232894
i have no absorbs but even without it, thats 18k
vdh eats 28k at 6 stacks
warm plinth
I was told that the bleed is actually based on how much damage you take from the initial hit. Like if you compare a VDH log or a pwar log of the same key level with a guardian druid, the difference is insane.
broken crater
I was told that the bleed is actually based on how much damage you take from the...
hm its weird
warm plinth
broken crater
tattman has practically the same dmg taken from melee vs dot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hT8pWCHtv2aYJARz#fight=2&type=damage-taken&source=1&target=129 I have half of the dmg from dot, but compensate with more melee dmg instead
cobalt seal
broken crater
that said i seem to have tanked them 50% less than him judging by jaws of stone casts
crystal iris
as soon as he hits 5 stacks his whole screen goes red lol
cobalt seal
I wanna know what you are dreaming on 50% meta uptime
warm plinth
that said i seem to have tanked them 50% less than him judging by jaws of stone ...
I don't mean from melee, I mean from the initial hit of jagged swipe
crystal iris
he barely touches them sort of just charges around kiting them
warm plinth
It's an initial hit + a bleed
broken crater
I don't mean from melee, I mean from the initial hit of jagged swipe
yh im just comparing total dmg taken
warm plinth
Oh, gotcha
crystal iris
he took a lot of damage there but he wasnt hard kiting, trying to keep everything in the RoF
broken crater
as soon as he hits 5 stacks his whole screen goes red lol
the red flashing is from low hp
not because of stacks
its a scary pull
crystal iris
the red flashing is from low hp
yes... ?
crystal iris
idk maybe he got hit by a frontal or something
crystal iris
it looked like the extra application of stacks just chunked him though
broken crater
yea which makes sense too right
warm plinth
FWIW the ticks are every 1 second, not 2
crystal iris
the melee hit is irrelevant on a 21
.
broken crater
.
we meant diff things, i meant literally the melees
the swipe itself isnt terrible either
its jaws of stone that trucks
slim zinc
^
broken crater
is basically like shadowcore in dos, except you cant kick it, has practically no animation and is instant
crystal iris
I think we all agree those dogs are bad fkn news
crystal iris
its blockable though right?
broken crater
we can actually check from the log what trucked him there
it surely wasnt the dot application because avg hit is 6k lol
jaws of stone avg cast 26k
crystal iris
my point still being 4x enraged Jaws in a 21 will truck most tanks on fort week
warm plinth
Jaws is no joke. Like you can see the first one even blocked was 18.5k
toxic pewter
Is it true the new ip cap (30% of max health) isn’t worse for simply 2 ip casts (previous cap)
broken crater
warm plinth
and he hadd what, 4 gargons on him?
broken crater
crystal iris
and he hadd what, 4 gargons on him?
in this? just 2
broken crater
crystal iris
interesting that the jagged swipe is overall more though just the adding up of it
warm plinth
Oh yeah I was skipping, I see it
broken crater
synced jagged swipe 17k
gargon meles 16k
darkblade melee 10k
gargon swipe 8k
gargon swipe 13k
tbf recasting jagged swipe every 2s is kinda toxic design
game literally telling you to fuck off after 6s
crystal iris
ya
im just not a great prot
cant keep up with the cpm
and pay attention to the key
cobalt seal
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zK96XbqhTy7k8NRa#fight=1&type=auras&source=5
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HncJw6WjPNaTxqYb#fight=1&type=auras
Considering I'm a shit player. And the other guy was a rank 2 VDH in last season.
@chilly brook
warm plinth
Yeah this is basically all happening at the exact same time, so that's why he chunked (within a second and a half)
cobalt seal
where exactly was BFA way higher Meta uptime?
broken crater
Yeah this is basically all happening at the exact same time, so that's why he ch...
also lucky jaws dodge
was still on 27k fwiw
toxic pewter
Wat u guys keep linking
broken crater
rare pepes
toxic pewter
What is all this stuff
crystal iris
meh, wont have to deal with it starting tomorrow
Just got to learn the new keys now
warm plinth
It is a garbage mechanic though for sure
crystal iris
probably wont be learning them on prot
toxic pewter
I don’t play game 2, in a game 1 player myself
broken crater
theres a game 1? (/s)
broken crater
crystal iris
thats the funniest shit when you get into an argument in a class discord with someone
toxic pewter
Ya I don’t use any addons
crystal iris
and they end with : " well I stopped playing bc shadowlands was shit"
toxic pewter
Well ya I play prot warrior
warm plinth
thats the funniest shit when you get into an argument in a class discord with so...
My druid goes into a 20 fort and I'm taking the damage that dude is taking on a 25 😂
broken crater
and if thats actually the case then im confused why youre here because the overlap between "no addons game 1 player" and "class discords" is practically 0
toxic pewter
I play the actual game of playing world of Warcraft
crystal iris
My druid goes into a 20 fort and I'm taking the damage that dude is taking on a ...
my pwarr takes that kind of damage in a 15 lol
modern brook
I'm so fucking lost
cobalt seal
didn't apb say he was reformed?
modern brook
What are people talking about
toxic pewter
I am reformed
cobalt seal
I guess that lasted longer than I thought
crystal iris
im pretty lost too tbh
warm plinth
What are people talking about
We were just comparing jagged swipe damage between tanks
Well, except Cromation. He was showing someone that VDH meta uptime wasn't higher in 8.3 vs now
crystal iris
and admiring people who can tank above 20s on pwarr
broken crater
I'm just working and watching title cutoff without anxiety now
warm plinth
did you get it?
broken crater
yup
modern brook
What the fuck is a game 1
warm plinth
Hell yeah dude, congrats
sick sentinel
okay im done with the brm
modern brook
Wb
broken crater
or rather at least very most likely unless people go mad tomorrow
warm plinth
What the fuck is a game 1
I think he's trying to make a point about him not playing with addons
modern brook
Ywah I do t drive with my glasses on either
warm plinth
😂
sick sentinel
i finished him to 60
modern brook
If God wanted me to see he wouldn't have given me fucked up eyes
warm plinth
i finished him to 60
huge
cobalt seal
Well, except Cromation. He was showing someone that VDH meta uptime wasn't high...
if you gonna say 8.3 vdh was superior to current because you had way higher meta uptime
sick sentinel
he or another leather wearer need to go to some lfr legion shit to be super accurate, unles the flower in that hat isn't purple
cobalt seal
you better have proof of it
crystal iris
i finished him to 60
BRM starts when you get tierset
warm plinth
I didn't say that 8.3 VDH was superior to current
broken crater
What the fuck is a game 1
sick sentinel
im gunna go crazy if i only play prot warrior
modern brook
Bri
sick sentinel
so i had to boost and lvl some shit
warm plinth
I said the opposite, because planned DR > RNG DR
modern brook
What world do you think I'm reading thay
broken crater
i finished him to 60
wtf is that
warm plinth
I'm happy for you or sad that happened
broken crater
why 😮
cobalt seal
I didn't say that 8.3 VDH was superior to current
the other guy did
sick sentinel
square map does that when you arent 90 degree angle
modern brook
lmao i appreciate the effort but nah ill live in ignorance
warm plinth
because I ain't reading all that 😂
cobalt seal
I have no problem with you
warm plinth
Oh okay, I misunderstood
crystal iris
im gunna go crazy if i only play prot warrior
once you get monk tier watch how easy it is
then play on that for your sanity
warm plinth
I have no problem with you
I already got into an argument with you the other day anyway. So I filled my quota for the week
Can't remember what it was about, but it was in DG
crystal iris
and when you get really confidant with mob placement and CDs and routes then pick up prot again
cobalt seal
what
warm plinth
He's right most of the time. He's just abrasive about it
broken crater
What world do you think I'm reading thay
the world in which you ask a question and actually deal with the answer. you asked, theres your answer
cobalt seal
yogi and his personal vendetta
sick sentinel
at least he knows what hes talking about
broken crater
cro must must have the weirdest boner rn
warm plinth
Chevron weirdly fixated on Cro's penis. Maybe you should do more keys after all. You must be bored
broken crater
but for other reasons
Quake?
sick sentinel
for morshu
cobalt seal
"sure"
warm plinth
Oh, it was about poxstorm and veinripper, I remember now
cobalt seal
that
blazing condor
jagged pier
warm plinth
You guys use that emoji so often, I'm surprised it's not in the server
carmine pine
blazing condor
why use space make many emotes when few gifs do trick
hard vessel
Are these older m+ dungeons really so much better for us?
Like kara mechagon and wod?
hard vessel
Heard that by watching some videos, people were saying sth like "way more phys dmg in these dungeon, warrior rising"
I mean more phys dmg should be good for us right? We are kinda in perma incarn against physical Blockable melee hits
strong forum
Yea
Dungeon design will favour us a good chunk more than in SL
And you can also reflect alot more things
chrome falcon
are we sure that SR isn't going to work on medivh's arcane missiles btw
strong forum
In JY alone are seemingly infinite amount more reflects
chrome falcon
i thought if you precast SR on arcane missiles you could reflect the whole thing
strong forum
are we sure that SR isn't going to work on medivh's arcane missiles btw
You'll only reflect 1 missile instead of the entire cast
chrome falcon
i'm pretty sure that's how it works in pvp
chrome falcon
oh wel l guess we'll see
strong forum
I could be wrong on this but with blizz consistency I wouldn't be surprised if you can only reflect 1 tick instead of the entire thing before SR gets consumed
chrome falcon
pretty confident you can reflect an entire arcane missiles in pvp but like i might just be thinking of moments i saw during legion so
hard vessel
Next season more haste means more rpm required right?
strong forum
pretty confident you can reflect an entire arcane missiles in pvp but like i mig...
Pvp SR was full 3sec reflect
sick sentinel
yeah, and so DH is also pretty good too eh? i have a boost i can use some point but i dunno what i should boost
chrome falcon
right ok that'd do it then
strong forum
Only starting in SL the pvp reflect for arms and fury got changed to "reflect 1 spell"
strong forum
yeah, and so DH is also pretty good too eh? i have a boost i can use some point ...
That one got fixed
The reflect on medivh doesn't apply the "arcane dmg taken increase" on him
sick sentinel
lame, i dunno what i want to boost, but probably alliance somethin
strong forum
Save it until you know
mighty valley
hey we've even had the reflect CD reduced since then
strong forum
Those boosts don't run out
hard vessel
Boost a monk
sick sentinel
faction server does, my thought was to send warrior to alliance boost horde one in his place
distant crystal
hard vessel
Stagger doesn't get red while leveling=horrible experience
ocean yoke
kill nathria, nathria loot in vault
sick sentinel
Stagger doesn't get red while leveling=horrible experience
i literally just finished leveling a brew
chrome falcon
no the paragraph doesn't make sense
because "only bosses killed that week will be in vault" and "the rules will stay the same"
are incongruous statements
distant crystal
exactly
ocean yoke
yeah that part is odd
distant crystal
i suspect the rules will stay the same
strong forum
are incongruous statements
"just like s3-s1 vault"
distant crystal
and each week you'll just get loot from a boss you have killed on that difficulty, ever in the season, from the raid that was fated last week
chrome falcon
i suspect the person writing the notes just didn't know what they meant
^
this seems the most likely to me
but flip a coin tbh
sick sentinel
i probably wont do a key tonight
ocean yoke
that would indeed make sense
sick sentinel
probably just boost something see how this patch goes
broken crater
yeah, and so DH is also pretty good too eh? i have a boost i can use some point ...
for your key level it wont matter (no offense)
for higher we'll suffer
no urh is already bad for us
broken crater
ye that reward only hits on 27+
sick sentinel
i dont get a mount, or a really cool transmog set for beating +20's
is what i mean
sand drum
i dont get a mount, or a really cool transmog set for beating +20's
yogi your still not meta tank ;>
or atleast that what my friends tell me im not meta :C still brings shout + buff to raid ;>
sick sentinel
at least i'll have a ton of character choices in DF
chilly brook
where exactly was BFA way higher Meta uptime?
Post VoP introduction
cobalt seal
???
chilly brook
Why are you question marking
cobalt seal
what are you asking?
chilly brook
VoP+gluttony had insane uptime on meta
strong forum
Vdh had legit like 80% meta uptime in s4
chilly brook
I’m not asking anything????
cobalt seal
just check the log lol
chilly brook
You asked me
cobalt seal
Vdh had legit like 80% meta uptime in s4
find me a log with 80%
strong forum
Can't check bfa logs anymore iirc
chilly brook
find me a log with 80%
Logs are no longer archived unless you pay for them
cobalt seal
Can't check bfa logs anymore iirc
you can
cobalt seal
you said you werent playing shear
chilly brook
I wasn’t
Why does what I was doing matter?
They specifically removed gluttony because they thought the uptime was problematic btw
chilly brook
I mean that’s the trade off
You lost uptime going into SL
But you gained control over the proc
I’m not sure why you’re so irrationally invested in this when all I said was 1) I liked bfa vengeance and 2) meta uptime was higher. The first is just an opinion and the second is just a fact.
cobalt seal
higher in degen build
chrome falcon
cro will literally just argue with anyone about anything
chrome falcon
you can say something that's accurate and then he'll move to goalposts to something totally different and argue with you about that
chrome falcon
until he finally finds something that he's technically correct about and declare victory
chilly brook
until he finally finds something that he's technically correct about and declare...
It’s whatever, I played dh at the time to Nzoth and did keys so did Nom
broken crater
I’m not sure why you’re so irrationally invested in this when all I said was 1) ...
didnt he already prove thats not the case
chilly brook
didnt he already prove thats not the case
Wdym?
broken crater
2nd point
mighty valley
if we're gonna have pointless circular arguments can they at least be about prot warrior
chilly brook
Fracture objectively hurt your gluttony procs
chilly brook
But it was just the more fun build
cobalt seal
And removed vdh from their minds after 2 months
because the build was the worst thing to exist
even worst than current bdk
Mousewheel Shear
and have fun
or fall asleep after 20m
chilly brook
if we're gonna have pointless circular arguments can they at least be about prot...
So codex is good yea?
strong forum
I had a macro for vdh in s4
strong forum
Spam shear, cast DS every 10sec
chilly brook
Tbf the only real shitty thing about dh in s4 was you were crutched on TD
DH dam by itself was so pitiful
median tulip
When I play either of my healers, most VDH seem to have a button marked "jump off over the horizon out of range of heals"
chilly brook
strong forum
The shitty thing about vdh was the lack of any dmg and threat
strong forum
You played suboptimal corruptions just to get threat
chilly brook
You were literally crutched on it
cobalt seal
DH dam by itself was so pitiful
DH dmg while playing the degen build was shit
DH dmg while playing the fun build
wasn't that bad
chilly brook
DH dmg while playing the degen build was shit
DH damage in general was bad
SpB wasn’t anything to write home about
strong forum
With frac+spb you were just infinite times squishier aswell
median tulip
In BfA S4 my guild's VDH just stacked Twilight Devastation
strong forum
Even with lash + vers spb build was spicy af
chilly brook
You did TD in s4 and lash if you needed it
cobalt seal
With frac+spb you were just infinite times squishier aswell
that was for the high high keys
chilly brook
Which tbh most everyone just ran slappers
strong forum
Most people played double lash + full vers in ultra keys
And frac + gluttony
1 person ran spb + vers
Rest was gluttony
cobalt seal
Spb was in glut row?
dont remember
What I miss from BFA
is Soul Barrier trait
because I think they already fucked Soul Barrier compared to legion in BFA
strong forum
Ye glut was on spb row
Otherwise vdh would've been goated af
Frac vs ftd and glut vs spb
Those were your only "choices"
Rest was the same as current tree, except that demonic didn't exist ofc
Glut replaced by demonic and moved a row
warm plinth
Tbf the only real shitty thing about dh in s4 was you were crutched on TD
My VDH tank pulls Tol Dagor beach
My (havoc) TD procs from the Throw Glaive I send just to be able to touch it while I'm waiting for his TD to proc
I die
chilly brook
My VDH tank pulls Tol Dagor beach
My (havoc) TD procs from the Throw Glaive I se...
Actual VDH tank experience
warm plinth
There's also the other side of the VDH tank experience where he tops DPS on Azerokk because his TD goes fucking ballistic and yours won't proc
chilly brook
Then his TD finally procs when all the mobs are 20% and it deletes the pack
I had many of those experiences
warm plinth
I do miss the TD beach pull though. Ran the ultimate meme with bote, merektha's fang, and barrage
ez 2 mil DPS
raw void
Intended
sick sentinel
I remember pulling mobs from top floor and seeing literally every single ashvane spotter point their gun at me
That place was a meme
these td pull through walls never happend for me
warm plinth
It happened once or twice before I learned to just face the opposite direction. Though we had a lot of cannon pulls through walls because our cannon guy would put the reticle on the wall
warm plinth
I played havoc so I just ignored TfB
chrome falcon
i love how blizz just made a post like
warm plinth
Might press Blur if I felt like it but usually my vers and leech would take care of it
chrome falcon
"hey we're not telling you what talents havoc has in dragonflight yet but we can tell you which talent they're NOT going to have"
warm plinth
DH is gonna be like the last tree to come out, I'm calling it
They literally have to build new specs for those two
chrome falcon
yeah they're the hardest ones to do for sure
dh and warlock seem likely to me
i think warlock tree is really hard to make because they need like 11 spells baselined or something
warm plinth
Warlock just because they have to try to make sure they don't make it took broken again 😏
too*
sick sentinel
Dh I can see
Monk is taking a min though
Warlock is one of those classes where they can do a lot for class fantasy
pallid quiver
i want affliction to exist again, thank you
that's my favorite warlock spec by a long shot so i'm sad it's been taken out back for the end of SL
sick sentinel
They've had to nerf each spec of warlock at least once this expansion
First victim was afflic in 9.0
crystal iris
We getting a warrior tree tomorrow you think?
strong forum
👍
odd tree
Seems likely
shut summit
✅
crystal iris
I’m down
I think I enjoy talking about / watching prot warr stuff more than playing it
Just watched the Marcelian vid with nom jake and mwahi
oblique garnet
@candid path does wowhead for prot iirc
mighty valley
what was the pitch? it has no CD and it's purely a one-button maintenance?
crystal iris
There was a wowhead article proposing it be more of a rage spender similar to iron fur
candid path
warm plinth
There's 50% chance we get it or we don't
big brain math right here
mortal brook
so competing with the rest of the spenders instead of being synergistic with them?
feels maul man
chilly brook
Homie from beyond was also giga annoying
Just spell reflect 4head
cinder storm
" However, we acknowledge the feedback you’re giving and we’ll be sure not to bring this particular gameplay forward into Dragonflight." From the S4 content update. I know this is only for DH but it will very likely apply to every class
sand drum
so this might come as an "weird" or "noobish" question
is there any point looking at old CN / SoD logs for Pwar to see external usage with S4 incoming ?
(since I also have a background in assigning heal cds as I played Rsham prev expac and patches)
With new affix and that should not change fight timers more then how much faster it gets killed ?
(only started Pwar this patch so rly fresh when it comes to "old raids" this xpac and what my weakness might be for X boss)
can repost this in #449510248579858432 if needed
<: sorry for wall of text :>
shut summit
probably not, shits gona be wildly different
diff covenant, diff kill times, affixes, etc
sand drum
diff covenant, diff kill times, affixes, etc
but bosstimers are still same ? so 🤔
shut summit
bosstimers are still same but spec isnt 🤔
sand drum
what has changed then 
just a small TLDR or send in dm 😛
tardy panther
hey noob question. So I'm plying around with prot and am just tanking some of these random mobs in ZM. I lose threat to pets. Is that becuase they are always taunting or am i doing something wrong with threat
chilly brook
hey noob question. So I'm plying around with prot and am just tanking some of th...
pets usually default to auto taunt
unless in a group
chilly brook
what has changed then <:peepohide:841312329424437298> just a small TLDR or send...
A lot, our damage has increased through buffs, we've received passive buffs to our tankiness. But generally our rage intake and output is so much higher than what it was during those two raids. We also are severely back loaded in our damage profile. Everything is faster, and it will be different as well due to the affixes.
tardy panther
I'm sure my damage right now is like hitting someone with a pool noodle. lol
ancient reef
are they changing how verse works in s4?
chilly brook
This also applies to healers and other things
sand drum
thx Griff :> again hoping to jump on the charge train into Dragonlands :>
chilly brook
are they changing how verse works in s4?
no?
sand drum
s4 honestly looks pog tho
"playground" but looks to have high potential to do more for Dragonlands and Xpacs after dragons
chilly brook
"playground" but looks to have high potential to do more for Dragonlands and Xpa...
from what I've heard this is all basically the brainchild of one dev
which is pog
because this is the kinda stuff we need them to do more of
sand drum
if this "flops" IDEA is giga pog
and if its only 1 person what if they had more working with it :>
^
chilly brook
just let devs throw wacky ideas at the board and implement cool ideas
sand drum
^sounds like corruption ;>
sand drum
"are are gamers" let us play outside in the sandbox sometimes ;>
chilly brook
but from what I've heard it was the brainchild of Scarizard
and if they can get a massive dub from s4, that's huge
because that means devs can be creative
sand drum
but from what I've heard it was the brainchild of Scarizard
ye idk he (according to max) has been in hes post for a short time ?
chilly brook
yea I think Scarizard was a more recent guy at least public facing
like mid or late bfa I think?
and iirc he was responsible for a lot of good class feedback stuff
Yea, he was a game dev from LoL and joined the team like last year
sand drum
Yea, he was a game dev from LoL and joined the team like last year
thats why I stoped play that game XD
lusty tiger
hitting the lab
sick sentinel
because gnomes have max rage increase? if yes i like way you think
lusty tiger
im jk
getting to 2min on the dummy is ez but i keep revenging 1 extra time over my ss procs fml
sand drum
Dorf :>
lusty tiger
does anybody use adaptive armor fragment > show of force | or | ashen juggernaut
patent osprey
ashen is giga
patent osprey
on any boss tyran week esp dos last boss
I beat 2/3 dps on the last boss on a 27 haha
lusty tiger
disgusting
patent osprey
outlaw did like 17k :(
couldn't
I did like 14-15 I think but I had defensive trinkets on it
sick sentinel
so, its just a standard 278 vault for 15? i might just skip out on vault this week, have to look what i have even
drifting fable
honestly id just do 8 dungeons for the socket tokens
provided they let you use those 6 tokens next week on the s4 socket item
drifting fable
well
what about the vault next week tho
i mean tomorrow i should say lmao
are those tokens turned into gold immediately? or can we buy a socket item with a s3 vault
just the next one specifically
warm plinth
My guess is that they will turn into gold. Otherwise you could buy 2 socket items immediately if you filled your vault (next season's socket item is only 3 tokens instead of 6)
warm plinth
Yeah kinda defeats the purpose of having the socket item option if you can buy 1/3 of them right away haha
drifting fable
i agree but ill cheese when possible
warm plinth
Gotta shoot your shot when it's there, for sure
It would be funny if they didn't consider that though
waxen orbit
Whoever designed Streets needs to never design a dungeon ever fucking again
ancient reef
i hate that place
waxen orbit
"Let's give several individual mobs a kick, a dispel, and the ability to teleport after their tank with little to no CD"
"Oh, so spread those across multiple mobs, right?"
"No. Give all three to an individual mob."
WHO THE FUCK DESIGNED IT
LIEK
waxen frigate
My guess is that they will turn into gold. Otherwise you could buy 2 socket ite...
i believe they already said they're turning to gold
they definitely aren't carrying over
at all
i just dont remember if they said they're turning into gold or something else
sick sentinel
yeah 1k gold i think each
warm plinth
i believe they already said they're turning to gold
Yeah they did say that, but they were specifically asking about the ones you obtained in the vault tomorrow.
warm plinth
I mean, it's a 278 piece 🤷
warm plinth
If you don't have full 278 it's still an upgrade, albeit a temporary one
warm plinth
The vault gear will be 278 but yeah you can farm after that and get higher stuff
cinder storm
"Let's give several individual mobs a kick, a dispel, and the ability to telepor...
with bdk thats a meme pack
warm plinth
But that doesn't mean you're just gonna auto replace everything right away
sick sentinel
okay, so literal no point then lol
warm plinth
I had 233 bracers on my mage all the way until like a month ago
sick sentinel
well, i valored the shit out of my self
cinder storm
Only reason to do m+ is to ensure you get at least a 15 next week
sick sentinel
says i earned 25,490 valor this season
warm plinth
Which also technically doesn't need to happen since as long as you timed a 19 the week before, you're still fine
cinder storm
says i earned 25,490 valor this season
25,490 gold kek
sick sentinel
ohhh is it that crap? where you need to do a 20 to get a 15 or whatever in your box
i seem to recall this in bfa
drifting fable
18 to get a 15
warm plinth
You need to time an 18 if you haven't done a key recently in order to get a 15
drifting fable
-3 decay
warm plinth
Keyword being time
sick sentinel
i just dont feel like being bothered to do it lol
cuz, the new valor gear will be auto better so
warm plinth
When is the last time you did a key?
drifting fable
eh its not the end of the world to push one from 10 or something
sick sentinel
7 days ago, pretty much exactly
warm plinth
what level?
alpine shard
25,490 gold kek
you can buy materials for valor to get more gold
i think i made like 100k from buying leather with valor last season
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Yeah looking back at your recent keys, you're getting an 11 tomorrow if you don't do a key today
Because that 15 would've been a 15 key this week, which decays to 14 naturally since you didn't do a key this week, and then drops 3 more levels due to the season drop
sick sentinel
haven't done any keys this week at all, and i unlocked and leveled both a kul tiran monk and mechagnome, working an suramar now
warm plinth
But 11s should drop like 281 ilevel so
sick sentinel
have 3 more zones after that, i just need to have access all he allied races, make some finalizations on races after, like i want my lock/mages to be void elf or night borne, i would also enjoy to make horde warrior high mountain, light forged for a paladin, or dark iron is pretty good too.
sick sentinel
im just exausted now and can't be arsed to fill my vault
warm plinth
what about the vault next week tho
There's your answer. Blizz just said the tokens this week will only be sellable for 1k gold
sick sentinel
i dunno what im gunna end up playing
but i rolled a paladin (from 50, from bfa to SL squish), a dk, and a monk to lvl 60, so
warm plinth
Dang you did a lot more leveling than I did
drifting fable
fair enough blizzard
warm plinth
Honestly I feel theys hould keep winds of wisdom for the rest of the expansion
There's no real reason to turn it off
sick sentinel
i wonder what benefits most from VE, "spell cast aren't delayed by damage"
warm plinth
Casters, MM hunters
But realistically it's only super great in PvP and leveling
It doesn't matter much in endgame PvE
sick sentinel
wouldn't it be good for keys or raiding?
warm plinth
No because you have to take a direct hit to get spellcasts delayed
Which you don't
Unless the tank dies 
sick sentinel
or its some like shit nerfed hidden effect doesn't really do crap lol
so there is a catch lol
warm plinth
But it's really nice while leveling a caster because you get meleed a lot
sick sentinel
so, ticks from a curse on healer doesn't count?
warm plinth
Yeah DoTs don't count
sick sentinel
i'm not saying i want to stand in fire as healer, just that if is like what i said its good enough for me
warm plinth
Like theoretically I guess something like Vy might push back spell casting? But frankly I've never noticed it
Because Vy shoots random people
sick sentinel
i know paladins get concentration aura, can't say how much they use it
sick sentinel
you know how like in stranger things people thing dungeons and dragons is the devil the mob?
thats me with pvp
i tried it long ago in 2005/6 and a bit in tbc
warm plinth
I've never seen Stranger Things
But my WoW PvP peak was 1850 in S2 TBC arena as feral druid/resto druid
in 2s
cobalt seal
I've never seen Stranger Things
good show to watch
warm plinth
Yeah I'm definitely a binge watcher
I never watched TV shows back in the day because I didn't like waiting til the next week to get the next episode
warm plinth
what the
lusty tiger
@patent osprey ret thought he had a chance
69% banner uptime overall
im not very good at solving the maze ):
warm plinth
Why are you solving the maze as the tank
lusty tiger
i was asking them to but the group couldnt figure it out
warm plinth
Oh dear
lusty tiger
my warrior brain can only handle so much
warm plinth
I'd suggest getting the auto solver, After the first 2-3 rooms it shows you where the next exit is in each room
So at the very least you only have to do it a couple of times
candid meadow
Well, until they stick it in the Dragonflight rotation.
lusty tiger
/;
patent osprey
<@133743762999476224> ret thought he had a chance
ez lol
onyx vessel
You will have to learn other rotations
May as well switch to spear for keys
Banner gonna drop all day
No urh
torpid junco
Where will prot be on the tier list in season 4? 3rd best ?
mortal brook
top 6 for sure
torpid junco
So same as before
mortal brook
🔮
sweet summit
mr streamer said nr 2 so that must be true
open gazelle
We want any tank trinkets from castle nath faded?
sweet summit
nah
mortal brook
sod trinkets too good
mortal brook
fair
wild hemlock
anyone just gonna blast kyrian tomorrow not knowing the routes or anything lol?
sand pebble
mortal brook
Okay so for docks, you just plant the warlock past 2nd boss, right
sweet summit
what's the lore behind this statement
mortal brook
was how you did CM docks
sweet summit
mortal brook
sweet summit
interesting
onyx vessel
No good trinkets in the dungeons that came out for rotation
atomic matrix
Hey all, new to protection warrior! Enjoying it so far! But a few probably dumb questions:
- The two mobs before first boss in mist, I learned you can spell reflect one of their spells… But does it make them take damage for standing in the shit on ground? Because gtfo addon still goes “err err”
- Does rotation get more “fluid” with gearing?
- Switched to necrolord, aggro is shit but defensive stonks! But is there a priority spell to spam, when banner is up?
sweet summit
- does not do damage back to the mobs so no point standing in it
- it gets very fast and fluid once you get tier and double legendary as necro
- necro owns very hard
basically SS>TC>revenge, but top priority should be to avoid overcapping rage so you're going to be using ignore pain a lot in between all other buttons
atomic matrix
- Fuck I’m a dumbass, been standing in it all day
- I have both 😦 trinkets a shield etc is shit tho? Usually I get what I feel is good uptime with avatar, so lot of rage, but sometimes I rage starve? But tbh think I might overlap ignore pain a lot
- Should I always have a shield block saved up? Or just use sb —> sb?
And ty for the answers
Btw so the spear furry? Or what it’s called in the maze, when I spell reflect it, should I still not be standing in it?
sweet summit
- unlucky
- other than what i mentioned, there's not a lot to make it feel better other than getting haste items i guess. if you rage starve you should charge weave more often, huge value to do so. you really really really don't care about overcapping ignore pain, but any rage wasted is less uptime on banner, less cdr from anger management and less healing from indomitable so it is crucial to get used to spending before it is too late
- depends, i prefer holding a charge for when the buff is about to expire
spear flurry is the same thing, it's a deflect so does not do damage back to the mob. there's a spreadsheet pinned which contains reflectable and blockable spells https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide. gets updated every season too (thanks sense love u big time)
atomic matrix
1) unlucky
2) other than what i mentioned, there's not a lot to make it feel bet...
Tbh my haste is only at 20%, so could get better! But thank you so much for the answers! Gotta try to see if I can better with the rotation 
atm kinda feels like so much more work than other tanks, but feels so satisfying!
sweet summit
oh it definitely is a lot more work than other tanks, but goddamn it's worth it 
atomic matrix
And yeah, I’m not using the legendary enough, and I know it… But usage have gotten better!
atomic matrix
oh it definitely is a lot more work than other tanks, but goddamn it's worth it ...
And those spicy spell reflects on bosses 
sweet summit
vapid lynx
i am gonna miss spell reflecting 1st boss of PF on tyr weeks
warm plinth
i am gonna miss spell reflecting 1st boss of PF on tyr weeks
Just have fun reflecting the slimes in Junkyard instead
weak escarp
Hey all to have 100% banner uptime am i just chain pulling and spamming revenge and IP?
ionic fern
Chain pulling and playing the class correctly, yes.
weak escarp
and ill be able to keep the 1st banner i cast for a whole dungeon?
mighty valley
Some dungeons have forced downtime where you’ll need to recast
weak escarp
kk wow
dawn canyon
and ill be able to keep the 1st banner i cast for a whole dungeon?
Most dungeons will prevent you from doing so
mighty valley
You should be able to keep it going for longer than the CD on a training dummy
potent anvil
Highest I ever achieved was 97.6%
sick sentinel
because you own 
potent anvil
ionic fern
Highest I ever achieved was 97.6% <:gladge:963970137701109820>
Bad.
Get better.
To be SF you need 97.7%.
sweet summit
potent anvil
It's been nice serving as a SF.
blazing condor
jagged pier
ionic fern
Eeee...
potent anvil
Like in age? Or holding the rank the longest?
sweet summit
rank yeah
sweet summit
strong forum
Yeah sense
brittle owl
you're all just making that assumption cuz he old
strong forum
Even has the boomer tag
sweet summit
wtf is the boomer tag
ionic fern
No, Sense is the OG warrior..so it only makes sense that he was here when the Warrior Discord was born.
sweet summit
sense literally invented warrior
sweet summit
wrong
ionic fern
👀
brittle owl
<@&679553555170197530>
ionic fern
Hell jeah, i ain't a boomer.
sweet summit
oh my
brittle owl
dawn canyon
Goodbye
strong forum
strong forum
Can't ping roles except mod
brittle owl
it's fine i'll sell them couches
at a discount!
boomers love couches
and discounts!
strong forum
Did you get pinged?
brittle owl
@jade socket do you get boomer pinged?
potent anvil
Yeah
strong forum
Oh
potent anvil
strong forum
That should be fixed then
potent anvil
strong forum
That's not smth that should be able to be pinged
brittle owl
why all the popcorn pepes
sweet summit
the boomer forgot...
brittle owl
never took you for a coward des
strong forum
why all the popcorn pepes
Boomers are scary
brittle owl
and deep voices scare zoomers
potent anvil
Yeah
brittle owl
why don't you have a boomer tag mwahi
potent anvil
Oh you mean like a sound? No.
ionic fern
Because i'm young.
sweet summit
brittle owl
you're bald doe
potent anvil
But I get the notification on the side like the number icon.
ionic fern
But I get the notification on the side like the number icon.
Ah, okay.
brittle owl
usually if you're in the channel that you're pinged in
brittle owl
it doesnt play the sound
jagged pier
I can be bald and young.
u have a MOHAWK stop LYING
brittle owl
also theres a setting to not get the full notification
potent anvil
Just makes it confusing because Vil is a mod and if you tag boomer, he might mistakenly try to find what's wrong. And then you'll get banned.
brittle owl
til
ionic fern
brittle owl
deswind is a scared kitten
potent anvil
Just kidding, I dunno if he actually has done that.
brittle owl
strong forum
deswind is a scared kitten
You don't know what goes on behind closed doors
potent anvil
Starting s4 on my DK for raid
strong forum
ionic fern
Starting s4 on my DK for raid
Can you...not?
potent anvil
DPS warrior is boring to me now 
I tank in keys on my warr though.
Prot is the only fun spec
ionic fern
Frost?
potent anvil
Yeah
sweet summit
happy for u king
ionic fern
Is it still the breath build?
potent anvil
Yeah
ionic fern
I tried it..but i'm too old to learn new things.
mortal brook
thats why you make weak auras to do all the thonk for you
potent anvil
I tried it..but i'm too old to learn new things.
Didn't you say you were young? 
brittle owl
vanilla ui only
ionic fern
Didn't you say you were young? <:garms:917120195527598201>
I identify as young.
brittle owl
Didn't you say you were young? <:garms:917120195527598201>
he's in denial like that
i.e prolly early 30's
potent anvil
ionic fern
jagged pier
can u change your name to mwahi the mohawk man and replace your old pfp?
mortal brook
give yourself the 'too young to own a house, too old to be a tiktok star, just right to remember haha modem internet noise' tag
brittle owl
this
ionic fern
can u change your name to mwahi the mohawk man and replace your old pfp?
No, Mohawk Mwahi died when the moustache Mwahi came along.
jagged pier
No, Mohawk Mwahi died when the moustache Mwahi came along.
MOUSTACHE MWAHI POG
brittle owl
?
west walrus
MOUSTACHE MWAHI POG
👍
ionic fern
Bringing that 80's moustache back in style.
ionic fern
It's a big yesyes.
I also wear sandals and socks.
brittle owl
give yourself the boomer tag
ionic fern
Never.
jagged pier
dat me
brittle owl
you're fucking disgusting
jagged pier
west walrus
Who doesn't?
brittle owl
people with at least a highschoolers understanding of fashion
mortal brook
but my cargo shorts hold so much stuff
west walrus
Fashion is an illusion created from tier lists
brittle owl
you're a kitsch icon steve
jagged pier
but my cargo shorts hold so much stuff
this is true
brittle owl
you get a pass
mortal brook
siri what does kitsch mean
brittle owl
ask kitsch in dreamgrove
jagged pier
my shorts are now so old im repairing them with other pieces of material instead of buy new ones because new ones dont have as many/ as big pockets
👍
ionic fern
Je, buying cargo shorts is a pain. They are removing all the pockets.
west walrus
Fun detected
ionic fern
Where am i supposed to hold all my keys and mobile phones and a big wallet ....in my fanny pack?!?!
jagged pier
the packs for the cagoule
ionic fern
Fanny packs are the best.
mortal brook
you wont find dissenting opinion about fanny packs in the discord for not-like-the-other-tanks pwars
brittle owl
fanny packs are objectively great
mortal brook
(i assume every pwar i meet in a pug is a likeable fatherfigure that knows their way around a grill)
brittle owl
best festival accesory
jagged pier
(i assume every pwar i meet in a pug is a likeable fatherfigure that knows their...
if theres a prot warrior that doesnt know how to grill i would be disappointed in them
mortal brook
yes exactly
brittle owl
@sweet summit
sweet summit
@brittle owl
sweet summit
gas
dawn canyon
8
brittle owl
@jagged pier here's your disappointment
sweet summit
happy to help
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> here's your disappointment
hes zoomer, its sort of allowed if hes willing to learn
sweet summit
jagged pier
this me
brittle owl
could replace that with infrared data transfer too
jagged pier
true
twin brook
hi guys, quike question. How mutch Uptime on SB u have in a normal M+ run. Lets say around 20. ATM im around 65% . Not sure if i have Intervine Charge mor often...
sweet summit
we don't really care about % uptime
the important bit is blocked hits %
which you can only see in logs
<@&257983573498265600>
so you want to log your runs
a good benchmark is like 80-85% blocked its
twin brook
when i understand it right it comes to the same result?! When i have highe uptime on SB (infight) then shoulde be the blocked amount high? Or did u use no SB on Caster heavy pulls?
sweet summit
almost, but not exactly
having SB up wile kiting/getting hit in the back etc doesn't do anything
so effective uptime AKA blocked hits
is ** the** metric
sweet summit
dapper solstice
If I'm new to tanking, would warrior be a good start to tanking with :)?
queen hemlock
hey guys
is chains of domination work keeping?
got soleah blood scale and overwheling power crystal
but not got a normal raid chains
sorry asking for all spec
jagged pier
If I'm new to tanking, would warrior be a good start to tanking with :)?
probably not
sweet summit
If I'm new to tanking, would warrior be a good start to tanking with :)?
warrior is kinda the hardest tank spec to play rn but i believe in you!
sweet summit
hey guys
is chains of domination work keeping?
got soleah blood scale and overwh...
chains is kinda shitty for us
queen hemlock
ah cool thanks
cinder dirge
So whats our rank compared to other tank coming up to this next season with full gear this time ?
Any ideas ?
sweet summit
mr streamer said nr 2 so that must be true !
in reality we don't really care
it's not the best
cinder dirge
Dk still being first due to 100% uptime on weapon imo ye
sweet summit
but it's not the worst either
jagged pier
Top for most fun
ionic fern
Also, who cares about rankings.
jagged pier
and thats all that matters
cinder dirge
Also, who cares about rankings.
People who pug in 25 26 being bench cus not top tier u know
cinder dirge
Cant play the game
ionic fern
People who pug in 25 26 being bench cus not top tier u know
Find a group of people who are not tied to meta and enjoy.
sweet summit
play good enough to make friends
jagged pier
People who pug in 25 26 being bench cus not top tier u know
get 👏 a 👏 group 👏
sweet summit
play your own keys