protection

[wild hemlock]

speaking of FOTM

[crystal iris]

but I guess spending rage for nothing is better than not

[wild hemlock]

blood dk in a 20 nw last night

[lofty widget]

AM, tier and banner, its not useless

[chrome falcon]

you're not spending rage on nothing

you're spending it on

yeah

[chilly brook]

Spending rage is never useless

[chrome falcon]

those things

[chilly brook]

Banner extensions and AM

[crystal iris]

thats why I said better than not lol

[chrome falcon]

tier bugged for sure

🙏

[chilly brook]

Yea but it shouldn’t feel useless

[crystal iris]

this week though feels like at 30 stacks im pressing a nothing button

[chrome falcon]

or not wearing it by mistake

[lofty widget]

i looove spamming IP cause my avatar cd speed running down to 0

[chilly brook]

All rage spent is good rage spent

[crystal iris]

since the IP shield is nothing haha

i know I know

[lofty widget]

IP shield is always nothing

[crystal iris]

But as someone who sort of just plays prot sometimes

[chilly brook]

I mean IP shield might be nothing

[crystal iris]

I think its one of the prot turn offs to have your mitigations buttons be seperate from your damage buttons

[chilly brook]

But constant IP shield adds up to be significant

[mighty valley]

it's also about to be 1.3x nothing

[crystal iris]

ya really hot take here with IP being 60% of your overall healing in a key...

[chilly brook]

Uhhhh I like having rage spenders that are just damage dealers tbh

[vapid lynx]

Zug zug

[chrome falcon]

this is a good thing lol

if your mitigation and damage buttons are the same

you're literally just a dps class

that can tank a melee swing

[lofty widget]

it's only 60 % because we have to press it. if i could avoid capping rage with revenge alone id almost never touch IP

[chrome falcon]

extremely fucking boring

[mighty valley]

bear thrash, thrash good

[chilly brook]

SOTR feels like ass

Doesn’t do damage without a legendary

[crystal iris]

Its more like prot pally has the AOE spender and mitigation combined, brew has the AOE that heals them

[cinder storm]

Each tank should have a better identity that carries over every xpac, warrior should be the one that does more DMG always

[chilly brook]

And it doesn’t do shit for mitigation either

[crystal iris]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I always here this in here

[chilly brook]

Yea an aoe spender that doesn’t do shit without a legendary to giga buff it

Meanwhile revenge actually does damage

[crystal iris]

but its literally damage you would be taking without IP

[chilly brook]

And execute does giga damage

[crystal iris]

fair enough

[chrome falcon]

IP is a very bad button

you have to press it literally hundreds of times in a key for it to do anything

[chilly brook]

That’s a healer problem

[vapid lynx]

Execute phases on bosses give me all kinds of happy chemicals in brain

[chrome falcon]

but yes, thanks to borrowed power we actually can press it hundreds of times

[crystal iris]

My main annoyance points of prot are 1. SB uptime needing reprisal play. 2. IP spam. 3. Demo being on GCD

[crystal iris]

I dont want a healer lol

[chilly brook]

Demo on gcd is booty for sure

[crystal iris]

I like being an independant tank lol

[chilly brook]

Playing the wrong class then lol

[crystal iris]

I feel bad asking them to heal me

[chilly brook]

Why

That’s what they’re there to do

[crystal iris]

like they heal me on other classes

but id rather survive mostly on my owb

[lofty widget]

i mean realistically we're not taht dependant on healers in the first place atm

our ehrps isnt that much higher than bdk

[crystal iris]

ya the prot healing is good now

[chilly brook]

You’re there to pump and reduce your damage taken

[chrome falcon]

the idea that any tank can survive mostly on their own is fucking stupid

[crystal iris]

with indom and IP

[urban portal]

demo on gcd is absurdly cringe

[lofty widget]

no our mitigation is good

[urban portal]

SB uptime is cool

[crystal iris]

its SO fkn annoying on GCD I hate it haha

[urban portal]

because i dont want to be like prot pal

literally 0 thought on mitigation

[crystal iris]

same same

[mighty valley]

blizzard has spoiled tanks in the past (and some of them now) and now everyone has glowing memories of being no. 1 DPS and also requiring no healer

[late wasp]

Of course today would be the day I realize that I should have been spamming the fuck out of shield block during the Uhr windows......

[crystal iris]

so we all agree presssing IP is fkn annoying

[urban portal]

it kind of is yeah

[ocean yoke]

would be nice if they did that thing they did for some classes where they just put some dam on it to justify the gcd

[chrome falcon]

demo shout is literally a damage cooldown

[urban portal]

either minor dam, or you can make it so taking booming voice gives it a gcd

[chrome falcon]

but that's only thanks to a talent

so it should definitely be off gcd

[crystal iris]

I know but the point stands

[urban portal]

but thatll be very awkward

[lofty widget]

is it possible to take it off gcd with booming voice?

[crystal iris]

any CD that has a timer on it but it on the GCD feels bad

[chilly brook]

Damage CDs shouldn’t be on the gcd anyways

[crystal iris]

yes haha

especially for tanks

standing in the pack with so much to do pressing a non-attack off the GCD is annoying

to the point where I have to remind myself to do it as the start of pulls

because thats when I have the most rage to dump

usually ravager is going im intervening early and just charged in banner is up

[chilly brook]

Banner off gcd plz

[crystal iris]

ya thats not great either but at least you can hit while you charge

[mighty valley]

defensive CDs generally aren't on the GCD either, demo shout feels like a relic

[chilly brook]

It is a relic

[topaz field]

it really depends on the defensive and i think it is fair that some are on the gcd because it would be too broken

[chilly brook]

A relic of BFA

And their decision to put everything on the gcd

[chrome falcon]

it absolutely would not be too broken

[mighty valley]

sure, but they undid that for nearly everything else

[chrome falcon]

demo was totally fine off GCD

for years

[topaz field]

ofc im not talking about demo

just defensives in general

[chilly brook]

Nothing would be broken off the gcd that’s not on it rn

[cinder storm]

-Demoralizing shout has been renamed Moralizing shout, it now gives 5% haste to you and your closest 5 allies

[lofty widget]

[chilly brook]

Literally everything that’s still on the gcd was off the gcd for years

[lofty widget]

yeah its called IP

[crystal iris]

prot pally ardent defender is off GCD its almost the same thing

[cinder storm]

Everything is a shout if you macro something to it

[chilly brook]

[chrome falcon]

every single defensive currently on GCD was originally off GCD

[chilly brook]

Even offensives

Why the fuck blade flurry is still on gcd I’ll never understand

It doesn’t feel good to press and just wait another gcd to start doing damage

[sick sentinel]

am really enjoying NF brew

[cinder storm]

5 tank 20 when yogi?

[chilly brook]

Oh hey but at least they gave it a damage hit when you hit it initially! Oh man what a compensation!

[topaz field]

its really fun right

[crystal iris]

or sweeping strikes

[sick sentinel]

am just in mood to re-roll to anything and everything

[crystal iris]

yogi how is brew vs prot

[topaz field]

brew is a good pug tank yogi

[sick sentinel]

it was shit until SL for the most part

[crystal iris]

I mean now...

[chilly brook]

Post WoD/pre SL brew

[sick sentinel]

not dying as much, so am having more fun

[crystal iris]

lol not asking how good legion prot was I wanna know how YOU find it currently compared to prot

[crystal iris]

nicee

[chilly brook]

Brew is fun rn

Not as fun as prot

[topaz field]

prot and brew are very similar in terms of what sort of damage hurts u

[chilly brook]

Hence why we play prot

We’re all CDR addicts here

[cinder storm]

At least bdk is a bit more engaging than bear

[sick sentinel]

i have no idea how to use zen meditation correctly at all

so i never press it

cuz, it breaks on melee

[topaz field]

its for tank buster

or magic dmg

[chilly brook]

You use it for big magic hit or to mitigate one hit of a melee

[crystal iris]

I do more damage and survive more on my 265 BM with no trinkets than I do with my 279 prot warr lol

[topaz field]

otherwise u dont press it

[cinder storm]

You probably dont need it, but like third boss SoA when you are soaking, you can use it there

[sick sentinel]

so like, on a casted bolt?

[chilly brook]

Then you’re actually doing something wrong with prot because BrM is like the lowest damage tank in keys

[crystal iris]

DoS dealer boss bomb explosion, SD third boss explosion

[sick sentinel]

i'm doin these talents

[cinder storm]

Maybe he has more confidence in his BrM than his pwar, hence, stays longer in packs

[crystal iris]

Woah

[chilly brook]

Isn’t exploding keg not good?

[crystal iris]

pick between jade wind and special delivery

exploding keg not an option

[ocean yoke]

chi torpedo enjoyer

[cinder storm]

Jade wind is the go to, to keep aggro from last time I played monk

[crystal iris]

Chi wave is what the guides say but an extra button for .3% of my damage and healing in a run is not worth it. just take eye of the tiger

[topaz field]

everyone plays SD

at the moment

[minor helm]

Imagine not using jade wind

[crystal iris]

maybe this week, but usually everyone is RjW

its a nice button to press to keep you from overspending, nice aggro, 10% of your damage

[topaz field]

no sd is big dmg increase

especially with urh

[crystal iris]

on massive pulls for fort weeks

[sick sentinel]

TTS i read is bad, but i like leg sweep alot

[waxen frigate]

EotT is dogshit

in M+ at least

because you really dont want to be using TP at all

[crystal iris]

so are the other options

[waxen frigate]

or as little as possible

[sick sentinel]

leg sweep is fucking over powered

[waxen frigate]

free filler >>>> having to press TP every 6sec

[crystal iris]

check out chi wave damage andhealing at the end of your next key, its literally not worth the global

[waxen frigate]

that's... not true

SD is very popular

[crystal iris]

no no you dont change your playstyle at all for eye of the tiger

just take it and pretend top row doesnt exist lol

[waxen frigate]

:weirdge

fuck

i hate there's no external emotes

anyway uh

chi wave literally just gets used for empty globals

it's not a big deal

and you use chi burst as NF because it's almost a guaranteed reset for... reasons.

[crystal iris]

ok how about this. Maybe if you dont have RJW then take chi

[waxen frigate]

chi burst is basically mandatory for fae

because of the reset

[crystal iris]

but if you are kyrian with RJW just take eye of tiger you dont have the free globals to hit chi

[waxen frigate]

yes you do

[crystal iris]

id rather hit SCK than chi

for CDR

[waxen frigate]

you're gonna energy starve then

[crystal iris]

not with RJW

[waxen frigate]

it's more important to be able to immediately ks

[minor helm]

Each tick acts as a reset

[waxen frigate]

even on ST tho

it just... resets

and afaik there aren't ticks with burst

idk its a weird interaction

i dont really play NF much tho

[minor helm]

That’s how it’s described on wowhead

🤷‍♂️

[crystal iris]

well after playing both RJW and SD, i dont ever find myself energy starved with RJW even hitting SCK every chance I get. SD needs more discipline to not overspend

but dropping chi wave feels fkn amazing

[waxen frigate]

idk how it feels amazing tbh

[mighty valley]

go back to peak of serenity nerds. we're cool warriors in here

[waxen frigate]

no

kate will yell at me

[crystal iris]

fair enough

[waxen frigate]

for... random reasons

[crystal iris]

she should yell at you for using chi wave

[topaz field]

@sick sentinel your talents are fine yogi but i would not play exploding keg

[waxen frigate]

no

EotT is cringe

[minor helm]

Sorry I’ll go back to scars propaganda

[crystal iris]

I for sure am haha

[topaz field]

@sick sentinel and also if you dont play ring you are no monk

[waxen frigate]

you must not have cache

🙂

[sick sentinel]

main thing i change was burst and rjw, i only ever used wave to pull

[waxen frigate]

i mostly use wave to pull

[sick sentinel]

or like, to do aoe

[waxen frigate]

tbh

throw it as i run in

then spin

bc there's like a 1-2 sec delay before it hits

[sick sentinel]

the group i joined, this is the way they handled trash

[waxen frigate]

also how much do good prot warriors do?

i have not yet seen a good pwarr this season

[lofty widget]

14-16k probably

[chilly brook]

Nom does well over 16k

[topaz field]

thats a dumb question

because its so heavy dungeon reliant for every tank

[waxen frigate]

i mean yeah

but you can do a range

on brew I get like 12-15k avg

peaked at 15.8k

[topaz field]

tyra fort also counts in a lot

[dawn canyon]

Pwar Boss dam

[crystal iris]

On brew im getting like 10-12k but im not max level and have shit trinkets

[chilly brook]

Keep in mind that’s over 16k in a 5 tank run lmfao

[dawn canyon]

Dude last Boss eye of aszara

That's where i wanna be

[waxen frigate]

i have no idea if that would help or hinder tbh

[crystal iris]

Prot Im more near 10-11k but still learning

[topaz field]

5 tanks hinders a lot for overall i think because you are much slower

[crystal iris]

I think im hitting TC too much in AOE i sort of use on CD

[chilly brook]

Brew just generally isn’t the strongest damage dealer in keys

It’s a good tank

But def the lowest in keys

For damage

[crystal iris]

Like Im trying to dump rage with revenge and IP, then TC comes off CD and I get a SS proc

[waxen frigate]

this is the most dmg i've done as a tank in a key--20 DOS last week

[crystal iris]

so now im trying to dump even more rage because i know SS will overcap me

what a chad rogue

[waxen frigate]

tbh i stopped pushing keys because i was tired of being 2nd or 3rd in DPS in like 24s

😴

[crystal iris]

meanwhile im here like

[dawn canyon]

Big mage

[crystal iris]

+18 halls last night

[waxen frigate]

can we trade dps

19.8k spriest

holy

[crystal iris]

HUGE mage honestly. Like the key honestly didnt even go that well i was struggling with kiting the dogs

its not like i was pulling massive it was a standard run with me being a bit of a fkn wimp. got wo a few times by accident

no clue how they all popped off like that. I pugged into this. THe spreist had a 3750 main

mage was CE

[waxen frigate]

ive never seen a spriest do over 10k

lul

[chilly brook]

I stopped pushing keys because there was no reason to keep doing it lmfao

[waxen frigate]

i wanted to push myself to my personal limits

[crystal iris]

I got bored this week thats why im in here

[waxen frigate]

i don't feel like i got there

[dawn canyon]

Same lmao

[waxen frigate]

so i'm pretty disappointed in 3330

[crystal iris]

prot keys for me is the hrdest content in the game rn lol

[dawn canyon]

Dont pug

[waxen frigate]

unfortunately i play at bizarre hours

[dawn canyon]

Play in a group of friends

[waxen frigate]

weekday work hours

because i work weekends

all my friends are late nighters

[dawn canyon]

Probably doesnt benefit the pug quality

[waxen frigate]

it hurts the quantity for sure, probably the quality too

i'd wait an hour to get a group together as tank

then outdps all the dps

and wipe

[grave crane]

time def plays into it, i would come home from work at 2-4am and find dog shit pugs

[crystal iris]

so in AOE is TC higher prio or is SS?

like SS should be higher right?

[waxen frigate]

pretty sure SS is only second to SB

and they dont rly compete

because, yknow

globals and rage vs no rage

[crystal iris]

do you ever let TC just sit there a bit while you dump with revenge if you keep getting SS procs?

[topaz field]

u get more rage from pressing SS

[dawn canyon]

Ss>tc

[grave crane]

i think its something like 6+ mobs TC is higher prio

[topaz field]

but technically tc is better in 5 + targets i think

in terms of dmg

[waxen frigate]

is that bc dmg

[dawn canyon]

Because rage means more revenge means more aoe

[waxen frigate]

ah

[grave crane]

but overall ss generats more rage so worth more

[topaz field]

but its makes your uptime on banner harder

[crystal iris]

I often find myself struggling to dump rage when im getting SS procs

even with revenge spam

[topaz field]

so its a question of comfort i also i would say if you know u can clap and get away with it do it

but if u struggle to keep banner up dont

[waxen frigate]

make that ass clap

[crystal iris]

this is what i got for UI btw

[dawn canyon]

IP

[dawn canyon]

Thatll work

[crystal iris]

yes its 2x SB logos

because i wanna see it lol

[dawn canyon]

You can drop the IP thing

No real need to see it

[crystal iris]

I guess thats true

I used to keep it to see the cap but now it doesnt really matter im always hitting it

[waxen frigate]

icky imo

but as others have said

whatever works

that's what's great about WAs

[wild hemlock]

help for sure imo

i feel like i pump harder and the dps are ass because i can just stand there and pump. where with good dps. boom pack dies off to next

[waxen frigate]

i have no idea really for pwarr but as brew i need pulls to be at least like

30+ sec

to do all my dps

but if they end right after that, i'm at my peak

otherwise i fall off a cliff

[chilly brook]

didn't they say they'd have more balancing changes before season 4 went live?

Where my patch notes with more nerfs to destro at?

[urban portal]

i heard the destro nerfs is somewhat big

[chilly brook]

sure

if you think going from 100k to 80k is big

[crystal iris]

ya they are such babies

[mortal brook]

you can fit in like 2 guildies between that gap so its kinda big

[crystal iris]

its shouldnt even be considered a nerf

its a bug fix

[waxen frigate]

warlocks and boomies are the whiniest players

it is known

[crystal iris]

mages

[mortal brook]

dont do that to mages and locks

[crystal iris]

rogues too

fk rogues

[mortal brook]

its not contest

[waxen frigate]

rogues at least had the argument they had zero raid utility

so like in S1 when their dmg was meh

[mortal brook]

boomies literally whined so hard this patch that bears lost a usable covenant

[waxen frigate]

they had zero raid spots

dude the worst insult i've ever received was when someone on twitter told me I "look like a boomkin player"

that shook me to my core

[chilly brook]

rogues also had a case in s3 tbh

at least outlaw did

[waxen frigate]

ya

[chilly brook]

they launched with like 20 bugs in their tier set

[waxen frigate]

and they were 5 capped

still are, but at least now they fucking blast 5 targets

i love outlaw

my favorite dps spec

along with FDK

[topaz field]

the whole aoe cap thing was really poorly handled

[waxen frigate]

boomies literally had the entire fucking world for the first 2 tiers

[topaz field]

i still dont know why certain specs are the chosen ones to do uncapped dmg

[waxen frigate]

and like a full moon, it finally came crashing down around them

🙂

[topaz field]

it doesnt fit in my brain

[waxen frigate]

tbf... if outlaw was uncapped, it would be as broken as surv or lock

[topaz field]

why if u tune correctly

?

[waxen frigate]

i just mean in current state

[topaz field]

ofc with its current state ye sure

[waxen frigate]

but yea you could tune correclty ofc

[urban portal]

yeah its all about tuning

you can do piss damage uncapped

or you can do broken damage in your cap

[waxen frigate]

outlaw now just does 25k every pull

[urban portal]

like frostmage right now

[waxen frigate]

which is great

but feels bad on big pulls

[urban portal]

frost mage does 0 damage after they nerfed all their uncapped by like 50%

[topaz field]

but why in the love of god u buff ww only single target 3 times in a row and completely ignore the fact that they were one of the best aoe specs all along

[waxen frigate]

because you're just pumping your heart out

and the surv hunter is just pressing 2 buttons and doing 4x your dps

[waxen frigate]

lmao

that was so fucking stupid

"waaa our ST is bad"

"your AOE is still S-Tier"

"waaaa"

gets massive buff

is back to being meta

[chilly brook]

I mean their single target was tank level bad

[waxen frigate]

boomies tho god im so fucking happy to see them suffer

[chilly brook]

So

Kinda warranted

[waxen frigate]

so they had a really strong niche

[chilly brook]

Nah

That's bad balancing tbh

[waxen frigate]

disagree

not everything needs to be good in all situations

[chilly brook]

You shouldn't be so specialized that you're just ass in everything else

Being strong in one area is fine, but it shouldn't be so extreme in either direction that the answer is that you're just a complete meme in other situations

[waxen frigate]

I think the buff was needed, but not as much as they got

[chilly brook]

I mean their AoE should've been addressed a while ago

[waxen frigate]

yeah

but

🙂

[topaz field]

the poor st dmg resulted after bug fixing the clones and not compensating

[waxen frigate]

WW is just a perma bugged class

they clearly have no idea how to fix it

[chilly brook]

it just never has been because their poor performance in anything other than cleave is a crutch to excuse not doing work

[minor helm]

Ww actually shouldn’t do damage in any scenario

[topaz field]

😦

[modern brook]

everyone whos ever played ww should be banned for explointing the game tbhg

fuck that spec

[minor helm]

[oblique garnet]

Based take

[topaz field]

monks and warriors are natural friends otherwise the dh is taking on of our spots 😦

[waxen frigate]

based

[minor helm]

Fix their dam? Nah bin it

[chilly brook]

Anyone who plays monk post WoD

ftfy

[waxen frigate]

ya but im a brew main. Therefore I am not friends with WWs

(ignoring the fact the person I play with the most is a WW main)

[modern brook]

WW's and Nish should be banned 😠

[oblique garnet]

Brewmain

[waxen frigate]

wtf

wtf

am i being attacked for maining brew

😠

[oblique garnet]

Its like admitting you are incapable of playing anything that requires brains

[waxen frigate]

brew is based as fuck

[chilly brook]

lololol

[waxen frigate]

im not a fuckin blood main

[chilly brook]

based if you like cheesing your damage intake for damage gain

[waxen frigate]

[modern brook]

more like

Poomaster

[ocean yoke]

honestly idk if they will ever recover from that

[waxen frigate]

tbh its funny looking at my performance now as brew vs previously

where im performing way better but i literally feel like i just hit things

[chilly brook]

ngl Nizzy cheesing for damage is what put me off playing BrM in 9.1

[waxen frigate]

compared to trying to scrutinize the tiniest little things

[modern brook]

someone get the chart

[waxen frigate]

i know exactly what youre talking about

and yes that is what im also referencing

im sitting here with mostly pink parses like... hmm

keg smash

[minor helm]

Don’t look at logs, don’t practice rotation, always get summoned

Hit boss

[waxen frigate]

ya

well

i do look at logs

mostly to yell at guildies for stupid shit

[oblique garnet]

While you are cheesing damage by tanking stupid shit?

[waxen frigate]

look

[chilly brook]

[waxen frigate]

it's not cheesing if my bear co-tank cant survive andy intermission

so i solo the whole thing

😉

[chilly brook]

That's literally brewmaster

you don't get high parses without doing stupid shit

[crystal iris]

difference is you heal yourself on brew

[chilly brook]

you can NOW

[waxen frigate]

other than this season, no

we're basically warriors

with expel harm

[chilly brook]

That wasn't the case in SoD

[oblique garnet]

You do

[chilly brook]

not as brew

[waxen frigate]

also, yes, you do

you don't get #1 parses without it

but you can parse very high

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/62910774 none of my top parses are doing stupid shit

I tried stupid shit on skolex

and it didnt even work well for me

tbh the 95 on skolex really pisses me off

😠

[chilly brook]

I had 90-96 on non meme bosses in SoD

I just couldn't be bothered to dave cheese

[waxen frigate]

it really only matters in the top 10

trust me

good PB usage during dave is important tho

Knowing whether you should SCK for another dave or if you won't get one, so you should TP

[chilly brook]

staying woyer this whole xpac was the move

[waxen frigate]

this is my first xpac

im an SL baby

🙂

[chilly brook]

oh no

[minor helm]

Woyer fuck good

[waxen frigate]

its ok i came from SWTOR

it quite literally can't be worse than that

[chilly brook]

you missed the fun versions of monk

[waxen frigate]

i like it now

🙂

[chilly brook]

Idk I liked SWTOR a lot

[waxen frigate]

unironically

[chilly brook]

too bad they just let it rot

[waxen frigate]

do not

get me started on it

SWTOR is my wow... if that makes sense

[chilly brook]

no it does

[minor helm]

Mentally ill?

[oblique garnet]

monk is easy

[chilly brook]

unironically it was a better game than cata was at the time

[waxen frigate]

the core gameplay of swtor was good

nowadays... not so much, save for a few specs

rage jugg is surprisingly very strong and fun for the first time i can recall

[ocean yoke]

any old star wars galaxies gamers out there

[waxen frigate]

im not a boomer

But--coming from SWTOR to WoW was a very good decision

[oblique garnet]

Cata was good first 2 patches so doubt

[waxen frigate]

even if this is a weak expansion for wow

it's better than SWTOR's most recent "expansion"

with extreme emphasis on the quotation marks

[chilly brook]

SWTOR was a very good game at launch

"lack of endgame content" tho

[waxen frigate]

Supposed to come out for 10th anniversary last december. Delayed until Feb. Came out. Literally all that changed was they made the UI worse, added dual-classing, and pruned most of the abilities from the game. Now, 9 months after it was supposed to originally be released, the game is getting its first new raid in 3 years and a new daily zone.

🤡

[chilly brook]

Which truthfully I don't think was actually much of a "lack of content" and more a "I'm too invested in this other game that I've been playing for 8 years to start over"

PvP was lit

[waxen frigate]

I still prefer swtor PvP to any other mmo

Huttball is based

[chilly brook]

same tho

[oblique garnet]

BnS pvp was lit

[waxen frigate]

Swtor during ROTHC was actually great

Tons of good, fun raids

Good story

Good mix of cash shop vs in-game cosmetics vs nowadays

The launch of SoR was good too

Those were fun raids

Then… they announced KotFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmsPY8EzMGA

brings a tear to my eye

first prog kill i was ever truly proud of

[minor helm]

You could have told me that was some classic UI from a decade ago and I’d believe you

[waxen frigate]

btw--made some adjustments to my WAs

[oblique garnet]

Nice and clean

[waxen frigate]

will have necro banner in between charge and avatar later

but i dont want to write that rn before i switch off kyrian

bc then i cant test obviously

[oblique garnet]

Id say make banner a bar below rage

[waxen frigate]

will prob do that

and move spell reflect elsewhere

or redo how it's set up

[oblique garnet]

Where demoshout

[waxen frigate]

i was wondering if i needed that

[oblique garnet]

Also missing fc

[waxen frigate]

it's a static CD that i just blow on pull, ya?

FC?

i dont know the acronyms

[oblique garnet]

Fleshcraft

[waxen frigate]

oh

ill prob put some text for that

oh wait

nvm ya i should track the CD

do i need last stand?

on there?

dont i just send that when its up?

[crystal iris]

woah

I LOVE THIS

[waxen frigate]

🙂

[crystal iris]

whats the red x above shield?

[waxen frigate]

shield block charges

checkmark is a charge ready

[crystal iris]

oh 12s CD

[waxen frigate]

red x for CD, with timer

might make it the bottom left and bottom right instead of both on the right

i think that would look better

[crystal iris]

demo shout above avatar?

its such a short CD im always surprised when its ready

[waxen frigate]

Maybe

I still need to fully playtest so I can spot the holes

or what im not using

i definitely like this positioning more for the SB charges

[chrome falcon]

I still think the IP icon is wasted space

[waxen frigate]

so that's basically just to tell me if it's up or not

and if i have the rage for it

[chrome falcon]

Trust me once you start seriously playing you'll see that it's just not info that needs to have any impact on your brain

[waxen frigate]

and thats fair enough

certainly not opposed to removing it lol

[topaz field]

its prots shuffle u have it no matter what u do

[chrome falcon]

Well no not really

It's more that it doesn't matter if you have it or nt

Because it doesn't impact your play

[odd tree]

i tracked IP prior to the necro build as well, totally removed it a week in

[waxen frigate]

Currently, if I dont have enough rage to cast > it's grey; have enough rage and it's already up > it's colored; have enoug hrage and it's not up > it's colored and glows

[odd tree]

useless info

[waxen frigate]

but it sounds like i'll end up removing it lol

[chrome falcon]

0 IP? press IP

Capped IP? press IP

whether it's up or not is irrelevant

you don't want to press it just to put it up

because it'll just go away again

you don't need to like, have "good uptime" on IP

[waxen frigate]

hmm

so what could replace that spot

[odd tree]

shield wall?

ope, nvm

[topaz field]

u want to track your stacks ashen juggernaut and when they time off imo

[odd tree]

do you have an outburst tracker?

[waxen frigate]

idk what that even is

lmao

[odd tree]

4p tier set

[waxen frigate]

oh

i dont have tier yet on this toon

havent played it basically at all this tier

230 lul

[odd tree]

helpful so you don't blow outburst on TC

[waxen frigate]

or any tier for that matter

i'll probably just add something similar to the revenge proc text

[oblique garnet]

I mean you will end up using some on tc anyways

Just because afking globals aint worth

[odd tree]

yes

[warm plinth]

I'll afk your globals

[oblique garnet]

You wish you could

[toxic pewter]

How does vault work for reset day this week

[topaz field]

278

and - 3 key

[minor helm]

You get s3 vault

[toxic pewter]

Ok thx

[oblique garnet]

S3 loot s4 key

[toxic pewter]

oh snap

i need a key...

the key converts??? just -3...

interesting

[topaz field]

u have 18 timed u get 15

so idk what happens if u have none timed

[toxic pewter]

Doing +15 will be doable right

[topaz field]

ye

ez

[toxic pewter]

ok damn

[topaz field]

with a geared char

[toxic pewter]

i gotta do a 18 rq ive been afk for like 2 months

[odd tree]

depends on how overtuned the dungeons are

[toxic pewter]

right

i get its in the air

[topaz field]

like 15 tazavesh is 18 perhaps 19 in old tuning more or less

[toxic pewter]

i might just do +10s on all tomorrow

then go from there

[oblique garnet]

Its like doing a +20

[toxic pewter]

or somethin

[odd tree]

same

[toxic pewter]

I feel like 10 is a good starting point

just for the first day to get bearings

[topaz field]

but u are uncapped about valor and gear

[crystal iris]

I leave more keys as prot than any other tank haha

[odd tree]

i missed all the xpacs between mop and SL, so going to be interesting

[topaz field]

so u can insta upgrade everything

[toxic pewter]

is the gear from end chest of dungeon still capped at +15

Like I dont know the ilvl atm

[topaz field]

yes but u can upgrade to old 272

so idk what this is

next patch

[toxic pewter]

Ok

I think like 291 iirc

or some crap

[topaz field]

but u can get a weapon or we

[crystal iris]

im in a 15 Streets which I should be able to do with both hands behind my back. im noticing the second pull isnt coming together, everthing is spread out. we kill it all. Go the the second pull the patrol and the small pack and they arent running to my LoS spot, chain casting over and over at me

[topaz field]

which helps i guess

[crystal iris]

We wipe like twice or 3 times because the other pack got pulled too. We finally get to the second boss and I notice the warlock has had his imp out the entire run and hes at 0 interuupts, the monk dps keyholder is at 2 interrupts...

[waxen frigate]

based

interrupt is a dps loss

[topaz field]

dps kick is on gcd

[crystal iris]

no its not!

it doesnt even interrupt your cast as a warlock!

its quite literally a free kick

[waxen frigate]

it doesnt do damage

[crystal iris]

so i was sick of getting spammed with casts, I asked him to get his interrupt pet out and he said he liked the imp so I left

[waxen frigate]

why would i press it

im a damage dealer

why dont you just

idk

tank the casts

noob

[crystal iris]

haha yup thats what i was doing

thats the diff though between me on warr and pally

Im not good enough on war to tank all the casts

[waxen frigate]

skill

issue

[grave crane]

Pwar is kinda more dependent on people being more proficient. Even with guild groups I just mark shit and tell them what I will kick

[crystal iris]

exactly

when it works it works

[waxen frigate]

same with brew tbh

[crystal iris]

but I cant carry ppl as easily on my warrior

[waxen frigate]

when casts start going off

shadowcore in DOS haunts my dreams

[crystal iris]

brew is better because you can heal through it at least, or RoP them in

I also para to interrupt

[waxen frigate]

last 2 seasons, no

also rop and para dont work on some mobs, such as the shadowcore guys

[crystal iris]

my brew only hit 60 2 weeks ago so i dont know the before times

[waxen frigate]

this is like

[jagged pier]

are u trolling

brew if mega easy

regardless of group

[crystal iris]

ya thats what im saying

[waxen frigate]

missed kicks are a notable weakness

[jagged pier]

keg smash is lay on hands

[waxen frigate]

on magic

[crystal iris]

im talking 15s

[waxen frigate]

again, this season is different

[crystal iris]

even 20s

[grave crane]

Shadow ore just keg smash boom easy

[waxen frigate]

😐

[crystal iris]

Lol

[waxen frigate]

ok but tbf

he's not wrong

[grave crane]

Prior to tier yeah probably

[waxen frigate]

it is lay on hands

with tier

lul

[grave crane]

Your tier just gives your KS even more value no?

[crystal iris]

ive seen BMs finish that shadowcore pull at 18k HPS

[crystal iris]

60% more damage, 60% of the damage turns into extra HP and heals you for that amount

[waxen frigate]

KS is just dmg without tier

and shuffle

[crystal iris]

is this disc just BM simps now?

[waxen frigate]

no just me

[crystal iris]

also @waxen frigate can I get a link to that WA? its fkn gorgeous

[waxen frigate]

ya DM me in a bit

im on a call rn

[crystal iris]

I like it too. easier than prot, less spammy than pally

[grave crane]

So yeah your tier turns your damage spell into essentially mitigation and constant heals?

[crystal iris]

yes

[waxen frigate]

[crystal iris]

my brew has like 150k HP on regular pulls

and if im doing 30k DPS mostly though kegsmash...

[crystal iris]

and 2pc is a damage reduction 5%

[waxen frigate]

from different spell but yes

i think 8% on bof

[sick sentinel]

Dam im surprised pwar got a buff

[chilly brook]

why would the least popular tank spec getting a buff be surprising

[mortal brook]

bear?

they didnt

[sick sentinel]

because they always do that right?

this guy

[chilly brook]

They usually do buff the least popular specs

[minor helm]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-know-your-place-gif-12886026

[chilly brook]

whether they're useful buffs or not is another question in and of itself

[minor helm]

You had like 2 days for bear and that was enough for blozzard

[mortal brook]

didnt get my tier until after the nerfs

[minor helm]

[mortal brook]

good thing bear 3~4 key levels behind everyone tho, fair nerfs

[minor helm]

Imagine if prot had TG all the bear rollers would have gone to pwar instead of bdk

[mortal brook]

ThunderGlap

[chilly brook]

not even close

still vastly more popular than warrior lmfao

[mortal brook]

show keys over 29

i'll wait

29 and over, even

[cobalt seal]

also

[mortal brook]

oh

oh

[chilly brook]

what does keys over 29 have to do with popularity

[cobalt seal]

what does least popular

[mighty valley]

do you think blizzard cares about balance in keys beyond like 15

[cobalt seal]

mean with getting buffs

[mortal brook]

how about RWF tanks this xpack

hows the representation

[sick sentinel]

Apparently so

[mortal brook]

a nice ...everyone but bear?

[mighty valley]

please take bear feelings to bear discord

[sick sentinel]

lmao

[chilly brook]

no one cares about bear

[mortal brook]

yes

[chilly brook]

even blizzard bearly cares

[cobalt seal]

why didnt buffing the two weak tanks instead of the 2nd best tank?

[chilly brook]

[chilly brook]

not according to community perception lmfao

[cobalt seal]

community is shit

[sick sentinel]

yes

[chilly brook]

popularity has a lot to do with perceived power

[cobalt seal]

they know nothing about balance

[chilly brook]

aka least popular classes usually get buffs

[cobalt seal]

yeah right

[chilly brook]

bruh you really think we needed the buffs they gave us in 8.0?

hell no

it was a reaction based on perception

[sick sentinel]

He has a point, Playing pwar rn feels

[mortal brook]

oh god, 8.0 bear was even worse D:

:notlikethis:

[chilly brook]

playin pwar rn feels

tf are you on?

[sick sentinel]

Cope

[mortal brook]

pwar in a nice state, wish you the best next season

[chilly brook]

I'll cope with being top dps on jailer while also being the best tank for him

[cobalt seal]

if specs are based on pop

why isn't mw and disc buffed?

where feral buffs

[odd tree]

Survival tho

[chilly brook]

MW did get buffed like 3x this xpac

[mortal brook]

pwar less popular cuz you can match it on brm with 10% of the effort

fite me

[chilly brook]

disc is problematic

they can't figure out a way to balance disc without it being broken

[chilly brook]

feral did get buffed?

[mighty valley]

popularity isn't that rational, part of it is just pwar has been viewed as garbage for the whole expansion so fewer people invested in them to begin with

[cobalt seal]

exactly

[chilly brook]

popularity is a reflection of perception

[cobalt seal]

wrong

[mighty valley]

it's partially that and partially like. a million other factors

[cobalt seal]

havoc perception is dogshit

yet it's still played

[chilly brook]

There are like 2 classes that defy this

[mighty valley]

look at the prot pal dropoff from heroic to mythic

[chilly brook]

DK and DH

[mighty valley]

DH perception has downturned but a lot of people just stuck with them after they were the meta tank in s1

[mortal brook]

Anduin exists so dks are used 🤷‍♂️ dks could be guttershit and theyd still be used more this tier. same for dh, monk debuffs

[cobalt seal]

this thing about perception

matters for like 2% of wow pop

[chilly brook]

people love DK period

[mighty valley]

balance matters for like 2% of wow pop

[cobalt seal]

so saying something is buffed/nerfed because of popularity or perception

[chilly brook]

doesn't matter how shit blood is

[cobalt seal]

is kinda crazy

[chilly brook]

"muh self healing"

[chilly brook]

yea....look at most played specs per season.....perception plays a huge part for most of the wow community

[mighty valley]

popularity is one symptom among many that's worth checking when considering changes, that's all

[lusty salmon]

just curious - what tank has been in trash tier the least over the last couple expansions

[mortal brook]

pops were much more balanced previous seasons to this one tho. cuz of anduin forcing 2 DKs into the raid

[chilly brook]

BrM

[mortal brook]

BrM 100%

[mighty valley]

other than maybe 9.0 no tanks have been trash tier this whole expansion

[mortal brook]

favored child 10 years running

[chilly brook]

^

except for M+

but even then they weren't trash tier

[lusty salmon]

dks always seem op

[chilly brook]

no lol

[sick sentinel]

they arent that great from like 40-50

[chilly brook]

they're just popular

[sick sentinel]

lvling

[sick sentinel]

Nah dks have been chilling

[chilly brook]

they haven't been

not on the level of BrM

[sick sentinel]

bdk is dead simple

[mighty valley]

monks have never really been popular, regardless of strength

[chilly brook]

They were ass outside of s1 in BFA

[sick sentinel]

They are middle pack classes and fairly tuned rn

[chilly brook]

not talking about rn

we're talking historically

[sick sentinel]

oh

[chilly brook]

Blood has been on the weaker end

[oblique garnet]

Not really

[chilly brook]

outside of Legion and S1 of BFA

[sick sentinel]

Blood has seen some better days

[oblique garnet]

It just wasnt the strongest

[sick sentinel]

no.....

[chilly brook]

And they've never been the preferred raid tank for a very very long time outside of specific instances where grips were necessary

[oblique garnet]

People make mistake of thinking if your class isnt the best its the worst when in reality its good

[sick sentinel]

bdk was fine from 8.0 to 8.4

[chilly brook]

they got the nerf bat hard in 8.1

[sick sentinel]

besides a long cd was main thing i heard him complain about

IBF

[oblique garnet]

Necrotic change from magical to physical really hurt bdk in m+

[chilly brook]

and the armor nerfs

plus WotN nerf

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but it still lived fine

[chilly brook]

plus the Bonestorm nerf

[oblique garnet]

Just a matter of git gud issues

[chilly brook]

I'm not saying it was unplayable

[oblique garnet]

Like it is 99% of the time

[sick sentinel]

it still has combat rez and ams and grip though

[chilly brook]

but it certainly got slapped hard in BFA

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but it always made it to raids

[chilly brook]

every spec does in fariness

[sick sentinel]

monk is nice, i will say that, its too much IQ for me, i just wanted a character to be my morshu, i kinda flubbed it cuz he famously sells "lamp oil, rope and bombs", and likes "rubies" so i gave him staff with rubies in it, if i did a class that uses daggers and oh i could have done the same weapon but a dagger gems, and bomb or lamp in off hand

[chilly brook]

the reality is any tank is fine, this has been true for as long as I can remember in Legion

[broken crater]

thats when literally each tank comes online lol if anything it feels weird prior

[urban portal]

what iq is there for monk

[chilly brook]

but monk has for sure been the "never a bad tank choice" pick

[cobalt seal]

if that isnt a copy pasta

[urban portal]

its not like the rotations are intensely difficult

[cobalt seal]

it's about to become one

[urban portal]

tank rotations are not supposed to be hard

[oblique garnet]

Well yeah because it always brings debuff

[chilly brook]

and everyone creams over stagger

[oblique garnet]

And mw and ww are

[urban portal]

not to mention both of the alternatives are on balancing rollercoasters

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Same reason you always bring in dh despite havoc players having negative iq

[urban portal]

whereas warrior is always mid

[chilly brook]

it helps that their crit passive interacts with every self healing and absorb trinket for some reason

[urban portal]

havoc is good in general it feels like

except 9.0

that was so bad

[chilly brook]

dps warrior in 9.0

[sick sentinel]

i always blast my execute befor boss 1 mists

which i know

i shouldnt

[urban portal]

nah

9.0 havoc was actually worse

imo

[warm plinth]

I think DH is the talent tree I'm most apprehensive about. That class has survived on purely borrowed power since its conception

[urban portal]

they literally had a worse version of EB

[chilly brook]

bring back gluttony smh

[cobalt seal]

NO

[mortal brook]

the Shear boredom

[warm plinth]

Nice

[cobalt seal]

Fuck glut

ALL HAIL FD

[sick sentinel]

Dam now that I think about it

[chilly brook]

gluttony was sick man

idk

kinda class fantasy imo

[cobalt seal]

rng mitigation

hell yeah

"i wish I get glut procs this pull"

or dead

[chilly brook]

better than what it is now in fairness

[crystal iris]

HAHAH

[sick sentinel]

infinite stars

[cobalt seal]

??????????????????????

[warm plinth]

I saw that lmao

[cobalt seal]

There is no way

[urban portal]

this was posted so long ago on discord

then someone posted it on reddit

[sick sentinel]

Work in progress? That's their entire kit already

[cobalt seal]

you think current VDH isn't better than 8.3 VDH

[chilly brook]

pretty sure gluttony facetanking uptime was higher

[chilly brook]

hell no

glut and VOP procs?

are you kidding

lol

[cobalt seal]

are you serious?

I guess so

[crystal iris]

DH is strong rn

[chilly brook]

yes absolutely

[cobalt seal]

okay bye

[chilly brook]

okay bye

lol

[crystal iris]

watch one just stand there and tank 4 enraged dogs in a +21 fort halls the other day

[chilly brook]

it's not that serious

[crystal iris]

like it was nothing

[oblique garnet]

Time to go back to watching movie

[minor helm]

Which one

[oblique garnet]

Batman begins

[sick sentinel]

i like the game of "how many stacks of thorns can we survive" tree boss wcm

[minor helm]

Pog

[broken crater]

i dont even need to have played it to know its garbo because it fucks your planning

same with dgb legendary rn but this isnt fel hammer

[chilly brook]

@warm plinth am I crazy or some shit for loving 8.3 veng compared to SL veng?

[broken crater]

its a 21, thats why

[chilly brook]

like meta uptime rn is what? 30% give or take?

[broken crater]

• shear spam
• random meta procs that fucked your timings up big time

only two reasons why it wasnt terribly great. but TD compensated

[broken crater]

depends on key but usually 40-50%. lucky if more

[cobalt seal]

????????????

[chilly brook]

spoiler

[warm plinth]

Well, uptime was higher back then, but it's never fun when your survival is based on RNG. I ran with a VDH tank in keys all of BFA and the worst part was when he just fell over because he ran out of meta

[chilly brook]

I didn't run shear spam

[cobalt seal]

you had even less meta uptime

[chilly brook]

It was a question from ignorance, as I did not know. Hence why I asked....

[cobalt seal]

why did you even say

you had more uptime

in first place

o_O

[broken crater]

the 40-50% we get are already sad tbf if compared with dks getting 70%+ in the same dungeon (:

not only does drw scale better than meta, you also get more uptime of drw

[cobalt seal]

"I don't know what I'm talking, but I'm gonna say it anyway"

[chilly brook]

idk if I was getting procs I just pulled more

[chilly brook]

what happened to okay bye?

kek

[cobalt seal]

this isnt vdh chat. be free to go there